WEBVTT - #718 Packers Unscripted: Rolling right along 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:10.840 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers unscripted from 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.280 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:17.200 by my trusted colleague Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.680 once again from different locations at Lambeufield and West. 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:22.680 That's so much different this time, Mike. You're right down 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:24.000 the hall from me now, right. 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:27.160 But things are things are so busy and so crazy 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.080 during training camp that I can't even get in the 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:33.360 studio today, let alone both of us being able to 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:34.479 get in the studio to. 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:37.560 We're gonna do it for the storage closet here soon, yeah. 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:40.320 For so they'll just keep moving us around as we 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:47.919 get through our various episodes. But the logistics aside. Packers 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:51.959 are in the midst of training camp here and conducted 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:57.040 another full padded practice on Tuesday since we had recorded 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.440 our previous show. There'll be another practice not long after 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:04.479 we get this show recorded. One thing I wanted to 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.000 touch on here, Wes, and you wrote about it. There's 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:09.479 a story on packers dot com for those who want 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:11.400 to check it out. We talked a lot on our 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.959 last show about the one on ones, which kind of 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:17.840 get cranked up when the players put the pads on 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:21.160 and whatnot. And one guy who's really been standing out 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.440 in those one on one drills is the second year 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.959 defensive lineman Davante Wyatt. It looks like he is off 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.080 to a very very good start, the former first round 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:32.400 pick in his second season. 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.679 Yeah, yeahs Mike. And it was really interesting talking to 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.240 him at his locker earlier this week because Pete Doherty 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.720 was actually there, and you know, we were talking about 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.040 the first rep that he took actually might have been 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:46.039 the second one against Josh Myers, and obviously it was 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.240 a big victory for Wyatt, but he hit him with 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:52.560 the spin move, and Pete Doherty asked him that. He's like, 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:54.440 you know, is that is that kind of like one 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:56.320 of your big moves. He's like, oh, yeah, that's my 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.440 special move, and we all kind of got a big 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.400 laugh on it because then later on in practice going 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.480 up against I believe it's Gene Delance. I want to 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.760 make sure you get that right, one of the practice 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.600 squad holdover from last year. Then he switched over and 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.040 he converted to his power and again was able to 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:15.320 get the offensive lineman on the ground while keeping his 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:19.080 own balance, mind you, and I think what we've seen 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:23.440 with Devonte White in year two is the game has 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:26.440 slowed down. I know that's a big cliche, but now 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.799 he's been able to do this rep after rep after rep. 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.919 They don't have Dean Lowery anymore, they don't have Jaron Reid. 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:38.040 When you look at that base defensive front, and specifically 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.520 that nickel front with him and probably Kenny Clark at 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.760 the three tech spots, this is a huge opportunity for 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.440 the young man, and I think he's really taken advantage 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.600 of it so far. Now, again, these are just practices. 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:51.240 We just put the pads on. But if you were 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.880 looking for the indicators that DeVante White is ready for 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:58.280 this opportunity, I think you're seeing them because again, played 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:00.560 I think just over two hundred snaps last year. He 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.720 only missed one game all regular season, but he just 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.520 he was averaging about ten snaps a game. But when 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:09.320 he started to build some momentum at the end of 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.280 the season, I think that helped his confidence. And now 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.359 he's coming back looking a lot more. I don't want 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.200 to say dominant, because again, we got to see some 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:17.960 we got see some joint practices, we got to see 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.000 some preseason games we got to get in the regular season. 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:22.640 But I think the Packers have to be feeling really 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:24.800 good right now that, Okay, we're gonna stick with him 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:26.720 and TJ. Slayton. We're not going to bring any other 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.440 veterans to replace Lowery and Reid. I think the Signs 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.560 have been really promising that they made the right choice. 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:35.920 Yeah, I think the question the question that's still out 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:40.000 there with Wyatt. To me, the Packers drafted him you 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.920 as as an interior defensive lineman. You're a first round 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.440 pick when you show you can rush the passer from 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:48.640 that spot. The Packers didn't have any questions. I don't think. 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.280 I don't think anybody does with regard to the pass 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:53.280 rush is going to come. It's going to be there 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:56.360 for Wyatt from uh, you know, from that three tech 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.120 spot or wherever he may line up on the interior. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.160 The question at this level is going to be will 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.240 he be able to will he be able to hold 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:07.760 up and be the type of disruptive force against the 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.640 run that he was in college? And things can be 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.520 a little bit different in the NFL. It's not as 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.200 easy as just beating your man and getting into the 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.960 backfield to stop the run, because if that play is 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.880 not coming at you, you know, it's really easy for 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.159 a gap or a hole to to open up and 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.800 uh and then boom, suddenly you know, a run is 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:30.520 out the gate. The run defense has played a little 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.080 bit a little bit differently in the NFL in that regard, 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.200 and I'm not saying that DeVante Wyatt can't do it, 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.640 but because he had such limited playing time as a rookie, 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.000 I think we have to see if he's going to 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:45.680 be able to be a run stopper down after down, 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.240 just as I think he's going to be able to 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.960 consistently put pressure on the quarterback when given those opportunities. 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.960 The comment, the quote that has that has stood out. 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.640 It's shown up in our coverage and and coverage elsewhere. 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:01.640 When defensive lineman Jerry Montgomery with the media during the spring, 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.320 I can't remember exactly if it was OTA's or mini 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.920 camp or exactly what it was, but he was talking 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.080 about Week eighteen against the Lions. Obviously that was a 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.440 disappointing loss for the Packers, but in the midst of 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:16.400 that game, Wyatt got a strip sack of Jared Goff 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:19.520 of Detroit and it was probably the biggest highlight play 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:23.279 of his rookie campaign, and Montgomery said when Wyatt came 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:27.719 off the field after that play, he commented like, hey, coach, 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.599 I think I'm starting to get it, you know. And yes, 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:34.160 it was week eighteen and everybody was hoping that maybe 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.360 it would come around a little bit sooner for Wyatt, 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.200 but there he had such a strong finish to the season, 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.799 not just with that play but over the last month 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.400 of the regular season last year, that what we're seeing 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:47.120 now at the start of training camp is not necessarily surprised. 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.680 It really looks like he is building off of what 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.320 he did last December. 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.919 Yeah, absolutely in that That's what I kind of was 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:56.880 talking about. And I asked him about that, the momentum 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.120 that he kind of derived from the end of that season, 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.359 and he said there was a little bit, but he's like, 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.880 I feel much more confident now. And I think that 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:06.520 was the totality of his offseason. I feel like that 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:08.719 was everything that he put in with the reps with 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:12.720 Kenny Clark and you know, TJ. Slayton during the offseason program. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.120 And then the other thing that's interesting too. You mentioned it, 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.560 like the Packers the run defense, that's the big thing 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.080 for them this year. Whatever you want to put it on, 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.039 whatever the issues were last season, twenty six is twenty six. 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:25.919 Then Green Bay knows they need to do better against that. 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.520 They can't give up five yards a clip against the 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.600 run this season, I feel like getting back to a 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.520 more traditional nose tackle and TJ. Slayton is a big 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:38.080 piece to that. You know, for years you'd see not 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.120 just Green Bay, but a lot of teams in the NFL. 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:44.360 As teams got faster, we saw, you know, safeties playing linebacker. 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:48.320 We saw three hundred and fifteen pound nose tackles. We'd 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.960 gotten kind of away from the Ryan Pickett sort of 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.720 generation of three hundred and forty pounds and just an 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:57.359 absolute handful for interior alignment to deal with. Slayton is 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.359 a little bit more out of that mold, right at 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.240 three hundred fourty pounds. With as much athleticism that he has, 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.040 He's going to be a big piece at the one tech. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.320 But it's not just one player. It is on Wide, 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.360 it's on Clark, it's on everybody behind them to hold 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.760 up their end of the bargain. I think the Packers 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:15.440 are going to be able to get after the quarterback 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.240 this season. I feel pretty confident saying that with Rashaun 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.360 Gary coming back, Lucas Fanas is the first round pick, 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.240 the athleticism they have on the interior defensive line, and 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.920 even guys like you know, Devondre Campbell and Kuay Walker 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:30.240 behind that, it's about okay. Right out of the gate, Mike, 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:33.520 You're going to see New Orleans, You're going to see Atlanta. 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.640 There's a first round pick that Detroit drafted. You're going 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.040 to see a lot of running backs that are either 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.640 top of the line or considered, you know, that next 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.440 wave of elite backs, and Green Bay has to be 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:45.280 able to stop them. 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:47.760 And you're going to see a quarterback in week one 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:49.920 who likes to run the ball, not just from a 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:53.920 scrambling standpoint, you know, busted plays, but actually designed runs, 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.400 you know, justin fields and the Chicago Bears. He likes 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:00.320 to play running backs sometimes as quarterback, and that's going 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.200 to be a challenge right out of the gate in 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:06.320 Week one at Soldier Field as well. So shifting gears 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.000 to the other side of the ball for a minute. 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.280 One thing that we will be watching pretty closely here 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:15.520 as training camp continues, starting to see some more shuffling 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.120 on the offensive line with the number one unit in 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.280 terms of where guys are lining up specifically, we've now 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:25.880 seen Zach Tom starting to take some snaps at center 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.600 with the number one offensive line in place of Josh Myers, 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:32.880 with Yosh Niman playing right tackle. So that's a combination 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.480 that the coaches are are going to take a look at, 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.319 and I think the best way to try to understand 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:42.280 what's going on here. Larry articulated it very well in 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.800 our three Things video after practice on Tuesday. I tried 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:49.080 to do the same thing in our Insider Inbox column 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:52.120 on Wednesday morning. If you go by what Matt Lafleur 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.960 has been saying all along that it's about getting the 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.040 best five on the field, it really looks like right 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:02.160 now three of those best five our David Baktiari Elton Jenkins, 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:05.600 and John Runyon. We haven't seen really anything but those 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:10.640 guys being in their traditional spots. But then it's between 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:17.120 yash Niman, Josh Myers, and Zach Tom. Two of those 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:21.120 three guys will be will round out the best five. 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:26.200 So it's three guys competing for two spots. Obviously, Meyer's 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:30.200 only a center. Nyman only plays tackle, Zach Tom can 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.959 play either one, so in some respects if you look 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.559 at it as well, if Zach Tom proves that he's 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.680 one of the best five, and I'm not saying that 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.480 that's been decided yet, but say if it evolves that way, 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.880 and Zach Tom proves that he's one of the best five, 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:49.160 then his position potentially could be determined by who is 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.959 the other guy who joins the best five, and then 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.600 Zach Tom just fills in the other spot. That's one 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.560 way that this could evolve. But it's something that we 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:00.320 will watch as training camp continues, as we get into 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.600 the preseason games and and where guys are taking reps, 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:07.640 because nothing's for certain yet, but but it certainly is 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:09.600 is starting to take a little bit more shape in 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.440 terms of exactly what's being looked at. 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.400 First off, what Zach Tom is doing is just the 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:16.920 darnedest thing I think I've ever seen during an NFL 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.760 training camp. We've seen that, right, you know, Elton Jenkins 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:22.400 plays guard and tackle, and we've seen these guys. I 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:24.280 don't know if I've ever seen a guy in team 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.800 period switch between right tackle and center depending on which 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.400 which package is in and the look that they're getting. 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:33.080 I mean, yeah, and sometimes from period to period, like 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.320 he doesn't just get to play one spot for like 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.960 a whole practice like he's he's he gets, you know, 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.120 three snaps at one spot and then he's taking three 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.320 or four snaps at the other. It is. It is 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.000 pretty amazing. And uh and you know, the not just 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.640 the physical challenge but the mental challenge in terms of 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:51.120 the plays and executing the responsibilities at two different spots 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.040 within the same practice. That that can't be easy. 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:55.880 No, And it takes a smart kid to do that. 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:58.040 And obviously, as we've talked about numerous times now, he 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.680 has put on the weight this offseason, kind of anchored 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:02.560 down a little bit. He feels like that's helped him. 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:07.120 But because of that, it's also allowed him to have 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.440 that flexibility to challenge at multiple positions. And you know, 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:12.360 as much as Zach Tom I'm sure loves to be 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.839 versaal and loves to play different spots, I'm guessing his 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:16.480 goal at the end of the day. I don't think 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:18.520 I'm going too far dow a limb saying this is 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.320 to be a Week one starter when the Packers travel 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:26.280 to Soldier Field, that the interesting aspect of this though, 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.640 that I find the most funny is right off the bat, 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.280 you say, David back Terry Delton Jenkins. That goes without saying. 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.520 I love the trajectory that John Runyan has been on, 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:38.960 where you know, he was in the lineup and he 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.080 was out of the lineup, and then it was Lucas Patrick, 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.280 and then it wasn't Lucas Patrick and it's Runyon and 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.480 then the last two years, I don't even know if, 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:49.600 like the gathered media has even talked to the kid 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:53.200 that much. He just does his job. He's owned now 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.720 right guard. He started last year at left guard before 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.040 they made the flop with you know, the switch with 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:02.240 with Yash and he's just steady as they go. I mean, 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.640 I feel like John running has just been an ultimate 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.480 premium pick for the Packers coming out of that twenty draft. 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.160 But because of that, you know, in Zach Tom competing 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.720 the way he is, it creates some questions there about 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.880 if he could potentially push Fitz center too. So competition 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:18.439 brings out the best in everybody. Mike, you and I 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:20.240 have said that since the beginning of time, and the 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.560 Packers ultimately they're gonna need all six of those guys 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.480 this year. I doubt there's a scenario in which they 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.079 all end up healthy from week one to week thirty 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:30.120 eight or whatever the season runs now. So the fact 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.000 of the matter is you have to have options, and 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:33.959 Zach tom gives the Packers a heck of a lot 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:34.280 of them. 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:38.560 Yeah, and what you said about Runying is spot on too, 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:40.520 you know. For a guy to come in as a 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.160 sixth round pick and he was an All Big Ten 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:47.800 tackle at Michigan, and the Packers you know, saw him 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.880 as as an interior lineman, you know, from the start, 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.520 and he's learned the guard spot. He's played both sides, 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.720 he's played on either side of the center, and suddenly 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:01.600 now he's kind of entrenched at right guard and nobody 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:06.160 you know, putting up a serious challenge for him at 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.120 that spot. When you can find when you can find 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:12.839 a reliable, like don't have to worry about it type 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.480 of player in the sixth round of the draft and 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.000 he's actually playing in the NFL at a position that 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.960 he didn't even play in college, that says something about 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:25.480 the scouting evaluation, but also says something about that player, 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.560 that individual in particular, and how he's gone about the 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.880 transition to the NFL. It's it's been pretty impressive on 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:32.600 Runyan's part. 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:35.000 Huge value too, right, you go back, you think Olayne 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.640 Taylor getting eight years out of Green Bay after being 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:42.119 an undrafted free draft thirteen and again, very same credentials. 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.880 He played guard at Oklahoma State as where you know, 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:48.120 Runyon was playing tackle but just didn't get enough respect. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.200 People didn't think he was athletic enough. They weren't sure 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:51.400 if he could do it at this level. And he 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:53.280 ends up being a six foot five, three hundred and 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:57.040 twenty four pound like stalwart on your offensive line for years. 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:00.360 And I think those are the ties. Those are the 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.520 type of guys that you can't say enough about because 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.440 you can't always be spending first round picks on interior 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:09.600 defense or interior offensive linemen and run And I think 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.880 kind of, I know I went off on a tangent 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.199 with your point, your original point, but I just think 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.520 it's very funny that that's not even been a conversation. 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.320 He's just been the guy as much as Elton Jenkins 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.160 has been the guy at left guard. Yeah. 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.240 Absolutely, Well, a little bit of sponsor business here, West 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:28.120 Sirius XM NFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.280 to the minute NFL news that true football fanatics need 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.120 twenty four to seven, three sixty five, and at Cousin 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.200 Subs we have something for everyone, like our Wisconsin cheese curds, 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.160 mac and cheese, golden fries, and creamy shakes, all paired 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.520 with your favorite sub or sub in a bowl. Cousin 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:46.800 Subs fifty years of Better. I know the fifty years 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:48.640 thing was last year, so maybe I should be saying 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.120 fifty one years of better. I'll have to check with 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.840 I'll you have to check with your contact at Cousins 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:55.119 on that for me quest. 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.320 I will, But I also know enough about sales to 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:58.720 never deviate off the screen. 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.640 I know it's like read read, what's read, what's in 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.520 front of you. That's a that's technically, that's how it works. 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.400 It has been fifty years of better, it's just fifty 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:08.360 years in change of that. 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:14.560 Yeah, right, Like that's the other fifty plus years. So well, 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.920 another another topic I wanted to get to that we 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:19.960 had so much with regard to what was going on 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.120 at practice to to get to on our last show, 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:26.880 that we didn't get to the fact that at Monday's practice, 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:31.240 this week, Peyton Manning was in attendance the uh the 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.960 Hall of Fame quarterback, two time Super Bowl champion and 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:39.440 now very very busy with his own media production business. 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:41.880 And no, he was not here to talk to Jordan 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.440 Love about the Netflix Quarterback series. That was not part 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:49.640 of their discussion. But Jordan Love did reveal to the 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:53.400 media some of the stuff that they did talk about, 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:57.400 and he was really appreciative of the chance to talk 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.480 with Peyton Manning one on one, and they talked a 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.960 lot about, you know, just preparation, you know, how to 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.880 how to study film and you know, how to be 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:09.000 that that leader and that that main communicator on the 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.640 offense when it comes to your lineman and your receivers 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:15.080 and all that, and uh, you know, Jordan Love soaked 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.680 up everything he could from, uh, from that conversation with 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:20.800 Peyton Manning, and I think he, you know, he really 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:22.320 appreciated that opportunity. 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.760 Yeah, a neat opportunity for a young guy that you know, 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.400 you always go back to thinking about, like when you know, 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:31.960 Aaron Rodgers got to Green Bay and he talked about 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.400 the influence that Joe Montana had on him and Steve 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:36.840 Young and those guys from the Bay Area and and 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:41.480 obviously quarterbacks learned from quarterbacks, right, It's the way it 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.120 all goes in our profession too. There's writers we aspired 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.360 to be and and and people that we enjoyed reading. 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.440 So for Love to be able to have that interaction, 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.200 I thought was really valuable. And as Matt Lafleur said, 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.520 you know, Peyton coming and saying in words to the 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:58.680 entire team though, those are those are the monumental kind 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.760 of things because as Jordan's talked about, and I think 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:07.240 we don't discuss this enough, Peyton Manning had a ton 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:11.080 of pressure on him coming into the National Football League. Now, 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.439 social media twenty five years ago isn't what it is today, 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.000 so he probably didn't have to like look at it 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.040 from every single person giving their opinion at every single second. 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.120 But the fact of the matter is he was Archie 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.159 Manning's son. He was the first overall pick and he 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.920 threw what was it, twenty nine interceptions his first year 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:30.000 in the National Football League. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:34.439 Still has the rookie record for most interceptions in one season. 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.320 Yeah, no, rookies really gonna get that much of a 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.000 leash these days, Xeah Exactly. 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.680 That's the thing It's kind of like what Brett Farres said. 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.160 You know, he holds the all time record for interceptions 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.159 for a career. It's like, well, you have to be 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:48.719 doing something right if you be allowed to throw that 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.639 many interceptions. And Peyton Manning was allowed to throw that 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.199 many as a rookie because the Colts knew what they 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:57.680 had and certainly it eventually came around for him. 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:00.000 And the Colts weren't very good that year either, right, 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.720 and next thing you know, they turn it around and 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.200 they'd become a perennial playoff team and eventually a super 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.720 Bowl champion. But to be able to level with a 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.600 guy like Jordan Love like that, I think that's important 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.640 because it reminds you that whatever the result is today 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:18.240 doesn't mean that that predestines to you to what tomorrow 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.280 is going to be good or bad. Right, there's going 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:23.880 to be ebbs and flows to this game. And it's 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.040 the number one thing I talked about all off season 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.160 when we would do these podcasts, when we do unscripted, 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:32.240 when we talk to Larry, is that Jordan Love, that's 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.840 the biggest transition for me, That that's the biggest hurdle 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.400 I think he needs to climb is just that you're 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:39.440 going to play a game on Sunday. You're going to 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.879 break it down. You know, unless you start winning a 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.040 bunch of games, you don't have you get victory Mondays. 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:45.600 But you're gonna have to break it down on Monday 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.359 and you start getting ready for the new game plan 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:52.719 on Wednesday. That's the That's how the life of an 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.080 NFL quarterback goes. You have to have that short memory 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.639 and you have to keep building towards what's coming next. 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.560 And I feel like that is the personification of what 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:02.800 Peyton Manning did in his career. That's how you last 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:04.879 as long as he did in the league, in addition 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:06.520 to just having a you know a lot of God 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.560 given talent and ability. So I think it's exciting right now. 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:11.320 I think it's exciting for the Green Bay Packers when 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:13.640 you get that type of player in here. I mean 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.600 all our eyes immediately from the sidelines started going over there. 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:18.520 I started when you as soon as you notice Peyton 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:20.679 Manning there, it is something that's going to catch you. 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:23.359 And I'm just really happy for Peyton Manning too that 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.760 he got to chat with Red Batty, because when you 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.680 talk about legendary people in the National Football League. Peyton 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.760 Manning's up there. He's pretty good. Hall of Famer, but 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:36.160