1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers unscripted from 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: once again from different locations at Lambeufield and West. 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: That's so much different this time, Mike. You're right down 6 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: the hall from me now, right. 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: But things are things are so busy and so crazy 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: during training camp that I can't even get in the 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: studio today, let alone both of us being able to 10 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: get in the studio to. 11 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 2: We're gonna do it for the storage closet here soon, yeah. 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: For so they'll just keep moving us around as we 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: get through our various episodes. But the logistics aside. Packers 14 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,959 Speaker 1: are in the midst of training camp here and conducted 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: another full padded practice on Tuesday since we had recorded 16 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: our previous show. There'll be another practice not long after 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: we get this show recorded. One thing I wanted to 18 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: touch on here, Wes, and you wrote about it. There's 19 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: a story on packers dot com for those who want 20 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: to check it out. We talked a lot on our 21 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: last show about the one on ones, which kind of 22 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: get cranked up when the players put the pads on 23 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: and whatnot. And one guy who's really been standing out 24 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: in those one on one drills is the second year 25 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: defensive lineman Davante Wyatt. It looks like he is off 26 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: to a very very good start, the former first round 27 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: pick in his second season. 28 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeahs Mike. And it was really interesting talking to 29 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: him at his locker earlier this week because Pete Doherty 30 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: was actually there, and you know, we were talking about 31 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 2: the first rep that he took actually might have been 32 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 2: the second one against Josh Myers, and obviously it was 33 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: a big victory for Wyatt, but he hit him with 34 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: the spin move, and Pete Doherty asked him that. He's like, 35 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: you know, is that is that kind of like one 36 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: of your big moves. He's like, oh, yeah, that's my 37 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: special move, and we all kind of got a big 38 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: laugh on it because then later on in practice going 39 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: up against I believe it's Gene Delance. I want to 40 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: make sure you get that right, one of the practice 41 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: squad holdover from last year. Then he switched over and 42 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: he converted to his power and again was able to 43 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: get the offensive lineman on the ground while keeping his 44 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: own balance, mind you, and I think what we've seen 45 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: with Devonte White in year two is the game has 46 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: slowed down. I know that's a big cliche, but now 47 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 2: he's been able to do this rep after rep after rep. 48 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 2: They don't have Dean Lowery anymore, they don't have Jaron Reid. 49 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: When you look at that base defensive front, and specifically 50 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: that nickel front with him and probably Kenny Clark at 51 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: the three tech spots, this is a huge opportunity for 52 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: the young man, and I think he's really taken advantage 53 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: of it so far. Now, again, these are just practices. 54 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: We just put the pads on. But if you were 55 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: looking for the indicators that DeVante White is ready for 56 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: this opportunity, I think you're seeing them because again, played 57 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: I think just over two hundred snaps last year. He 58 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: only missed one game all regular season, but he just 59 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 2: he was averaging about ten snaps a game. But when 60 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: he started to build some momentum at the end of 61 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: the season, I think that helped his confidence. And now 62 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 2: he's coming back looking a lot more. I don't want 63 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: to say dominant, because again, we got to see some 64 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: we got see some joint practices, we got to see 65 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: some preseason games we got to get in the regular season. 66 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 2: But I think the Packers have to be feeling really 67 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 2: good right now that, Okay, we're gonna stick with him 68 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: and TJ. Slayton. We're not going to bring any other 69 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: veterans to replace Lowery and Reid. I think the Signs 70 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: have been really promising that they made the right choice. 71 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the question the question that's still out 72 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: there with Wyatt. To me, the Packers drafted him you 73 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: as as an interior defensive lineman. You're a first round 74 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: pick when you show you can rush the passer from 75 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: that spot. The Packers didn't have any questions. I don't think. 76 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody does with regard to the pass 77 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: rush is going to come. It's going to be there 78 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: for Wyatt from uh, you know, from that three tech 79 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: spot or wherever he may line up on the interior. 80 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: The question at this level is going to be will 81 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: he be able to will he be able to hold 82 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: up and be the type of disruptive force against the 83 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: run that he was in college? And things can be 84 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: a little bit different in the NFL. It's not as 85 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: easy as just beating your man and getting into the 86 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: backfield to stop the run, because if that play is 87 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: not coming at you, you know, it's really easy for 88 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: a gap or a hole to to open up and 89 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: uh and then boom, suddenly you know, a run is 90 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: out the gate. The run defense has played a little 91 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: bit a little bit differently in the NFL in that regard, 92 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that DeVante Wyatt can't do it, 93 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: but because he had such limited playing time as a rookie, 94 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: I think we have to see if he's going to 95 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: be able to be a run stopper down after down, 96 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: just as I think he's going to be able to 97 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: consistently put pressure on the quarterback when given those opportunities. 98 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: The comment, the quote that has that has stood out. 99 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: It's shown up in our coverage and and coverage elsewhere. 100 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: When defensive lineman Jerry Montgomery with the media during the spring, 101 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly if it was OTA's or mini 102 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: camp or exactly what it was, but he was talking 103 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: about Week eighteen against the Lions. Obviously that was a 104 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: disappointing loss for the Packers, but in the midst of 105 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: that game, Wyatt got a strip sack of Jared Goff 106 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: of Detroit and it was probably the biggest highlight play 107 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: of his rookie campaign, and Montgomery said when Wyatt came 108 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: off the field after that play, he commented like, hey, coach, 109 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: I think I'm starting to get it, you know. And yes, 110 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: it was week eighteen and everybody was hoping that maybe 111 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: it would come around a little bit sooner for Wyatt, 112 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: but there he had such a strong finish to the season, 113 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 1: not just with that play but over the last month 114 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: of the regular season last year, that what we're seeing 115 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: now at the start of training camp is not necessarily surprised. 116 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: It really looks like he is building off of what 117 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: he did last December. 118 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely in that That's what I kind of was 119 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: talking about. And I asked him about that, the momentum 120 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: that he kind of derived from the end of that season, 121 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 2: and he said there was a little bit, but he's like, 122 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: I feel much more confident now. And I think that 123 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: was the totality of his offseason. I feel like that 124 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 2: was everything that he put in with the reps with 125 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 2: Kenny Clark and you know, TJ. Slayton during the offseason program. 126 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 2: And then the other thing that's interesting too. You mentioned it, 127 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: like the Packers the run defense, that's the big thing 128 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: for them this year. Whatever you want to put it on, 129 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 2: whatever the issues were last season, twenty six is twenty six. 130 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 2: Then Green Bay knows they need to do better against that. 131 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: They can't give up five yards a clip against the 132 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 2: run this season, I feel like getting back to a 133 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: more traditional nose tackle and TJ. Slayton is a big 134 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: piece to that. You know, for years you'd see not 135 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: just Green Bay, but a lot of teams in the NFL. 136 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 2: As teams got faster, we saw, you know, safeties playing linebacker. 137 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: We saw three hundred and fifteen pound nose tackles. We'd 138 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: gotten kind of away from the Ryan Pickett sort of 139 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 2: generation of three hundred and forty pounds and just an 140 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 2: absolute handful for interior alignment to deal with. Slayton is 141 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 2: a little bit more out of that mold, right at 142 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: three hundred fourty pounds. With as much athleticism that he has, 143 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: He's going to be a big piece at the one tech. 144 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: But it's not just one player. It is on Wide, 145 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: it's on Clark, it's on everybody behind them to hold 146 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: up their end of the bargain. I think the Packers 147 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: are going to be able to get after the quarterback 148 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: this season. I feel pretty confident saying that with Rashaun 149 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: Gary coming back, Lucas Fanas is the first round pick, 150 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 2: the athleticism they have on the interior defensive line, and 151 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: even guys like you know, Devondre Campbell and Kuay Walker 152 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 2: behind that, it's about okay. Right out of the gate, Mike, 153 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: You're going to see New Orleans, You're going to see Atlanta. 154 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: There's a first round pick that Detroit drafted. You're going 155 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: to see a lot of running backs that are either 156 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: top of the line or considered, you know, that next 157 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: wave of elite backs, and Green Bay has to be 158 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: able to stop them. 159 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: And you're going to see a quarterback in week one 160 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: who likes to run the ball, not just from a 161 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: scrambling standpoint, you know, busted plays, but actually designed runs, 162 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: you know, justin fields and the Chicago Bears. He likes 163 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: to play running backs sometimes as quarterback, and that's going 164 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: to be a challenge right out of the gate in 165 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: Week one at Soldier Field as well. So shifting gears 166 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: to the other side of the ball for a minute. 167 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: One thing that we will be watching pretty closely here 168 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: as training camp continues, starting to see some more shuffling 169 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: on the offensive line with the number one unit in 170 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: terms of where guys are lining up specifically, we've now 171 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: seen Zach Tom starting to take some snaps at center 172 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: with the number one offensive line in place of Josh Myers, 173 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: with Yosh Niman playing right tackle. So that's a combination 174 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: that the coaches are are going to take a look at, 175 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: and I think the best way to try to understand 176 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: what's going on here. Larry articulated it very well in 177 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: our three Things video after practice on Tuesday. I tried 178 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: to do the same thing in our Insider Inbox column 179 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: on Wednesday morning. If you go by what Matt Lafleur 180 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: has been saying all along that it's about getting the 181 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: best five on the field, it really looks like right 182 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: now three of those best five our David Baktiari Elton Jenkins, 183 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: and John Runyon. We haven't seen really anything but those 184 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: guys being in their traditional spots. But then it's between 185 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: yash Niman, Josh Myers, and Zach Tom. Two of those 186 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: three guys will be will round out the best five. 187 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: So it's three guys competing for two spots. Obviously, Meyer's 188 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: only a center. Nyman only plays tackle, Zach Tom can 189 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: play either one, so in some respects if you look 190 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: at it as well, if Zach Tom proves that he's 191 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: one of the best five, and I'm not saying that 192 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: that's been decided yet, but say if it evolves that way, 193 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: and Zach Tom proves that he's one of the best five, 194 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: then his position potentially could be determined by who is 195 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: the other guy who joins the best five, and then 196 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: Zach Tom just fills in the other spot. That's one 197 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: way that this could evolve. But it's something that we 198 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: will watch as training camp continues, as we get into 199 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: the preseason games and and where guys are taking reps, 200 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: because nothing's for certain yet, but but it certainly is 201 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: is starting to take a little bit more shape in 202 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: terms of exactly what's being looked at. 203 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: First off, what Zach Tom is doing is just the 204 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 2: darnedest thing I think I've ever seen during an NFL 205 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 2: training camp. We've seen that, right, you know, Elton Jenkins 206 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: plays guard and tackle, and we've seen these guys. I 207 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: don't know if I've ever seen a guy in team 208 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: period switch between right tackle and center depending on which 209 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: which package is in and the look that they're getting. 210 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, and sometimes from period to period, like 211 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: he doesn't just get to play one spot for like 212 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: a whole practice like he's he's he gets, you know, 213 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: three snaps at one spot and then he's taking three 214 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: or four snaps at the other. It is. It is 215 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: pretty amazing. And uh and you know, the not just 216 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: the physical challenge but the mental challenge in terms of 217 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: the plays and executing the responsibilities at two different spots 218 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: within the same practice. That that can't be easy. 219 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: No, And it takes a smart kid to do that. 220 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: And obviously, as we've talked about numerous times now, he 221 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 2: has put on the weight this offseason, kind of anchored 222 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 2: down a little bit. He feels like that's helped him. 223 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: But because of that, it's also allowed him to have 224 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 2: that flexibility to challenge at multiple positions. And you know, 225 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: as much as Zach Tom I'm sure loves to be 226 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 2: versaal and loves to play different spots, I'm guessing his 227 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: goal at the end of the day. I don't think 228 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: I'm going too far dow a limb saying this is 229 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: to be a Week one starter when the Packers travel 230 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: to Soldier Field, that the interesting aspect of this though, 231 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: that I find the most funny is right off the bat, 232 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: you say, David back Terry Delton Jenkins. That goes without saying. 233 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: I love the trajectory that John Runyan has been on, 234 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: where you know, he was in the lineup and he 235 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 2: was out of the lineup, and then it was Lucas Patrick, 236 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: and then it wasn't Lucas Patrick and it's Runyon and 237 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: then the last two years, I don't even know if, 238 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: like the gathered media has even talked to the kid 239 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 2: that much. He just does his job. He's owned now 240 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: right guard. He started last year at left guard before 241 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 2: they made the flop with you know, the switch with 242 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: with Yash and he's just steady as they go. I mean, 243 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: I feel like John running has just been an ultimate 244 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: premium pick for the Packers coming out of that twenty draft. 245 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: But because of that, you know, in Zach Tom competing 246 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 2: the way he is, it creates some questions there about 247 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: if he could potentially push Fitz center too. So competition 248 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 2: brings out the best in everybody. Mike, you and I 249 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: have said that since the beginning of time, and the 250 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: Packers ultimately they're gonna need all six of those guys 251 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: this year. I doubt there's a scenario in which they 252 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 2: all end up healthy from week one to week thirty 253 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: eight or whatever the season runs now. So the fact 254 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: of the matter is you have to have options, and 255 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 2: Zach tom gives the Packers a heck of a lot 256 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: of them. 257 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and what you said about Runying is spot on too, 258 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: you know. For a guy to come in as a 259 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: sixth round pick and he was an All Big Ten 260 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: tackle at Michigan, and the Packers you know, saw him 261 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: as as an interior lineman, you know, from the start, 262 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: and he's learned the guard spot. He's played both sides, 263 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: he's played on either side of the center, and suddenly 264 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: now he's kind of entrenched at right guard and nobody 265 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: you know, putting up a serious challenge for him at 266 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: that spot. When you can find when you can find 267 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 1: a reliable, like don't have to worry about it type 268 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: of player in the sixth round of the draft and 269 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: he's actually playing in the NFL at a position that 270 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: he didn't even play in college, that says something about 271 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: the scouting evaluation, but also says something about that player, 272 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: that individual in particular, and how he's gone about the 273 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: transition to the NFL. It's it's been pretty impressive on 274 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: Runyan's part. 275 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: Huge value too, right, you go back, you think Olayne 276 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: Taylor getting eight years out of Green Bay after being 277 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:42,119 Speaker 2: an undrafted free draft thirteen and again, very same credentials. 278 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: He played guard at Oklahoma State as where you know, 279 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: Runyon was playing tackle but just didn't get enough respect. 280 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 2: People didn't think he was athletic enough. They weren't sure 281 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: if he could do it at this level. And he 282 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: ends up being a six foot five, three hundred and 283 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 2: twenty four pound like stalwart on your offensive line for years. 284 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 2: And I think those are the ties. Those are the 285 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: type of guys that you can't say enough about because 286 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 2: you can't always be spending first round picks on interior 287 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: defense or interior offensive linemen and run And I think 288 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: kind of, I know I went off on a tangent 289 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 2: with your point, your original point, but I just think 290 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: it's very funny that that's not even been a conversation. 291 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 2: He's just been the guy as much as Elton Jenkins 292 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: has been the guy at left guard. Yeah. 293 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well, a little bit of sponsor business here, West 294 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: Sirius XM NFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up 295 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: to the minute NFL news that true football fanatics need 296 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: twenty four to seven, three sixty five, and at Cousin 297 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: Subs we have something for everyone, like our Wisconsin cheese curds, 298 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: mac and cheese, golden fries, and creamy shakes, all paired 299 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: with your favorite sub or sub in a bowl. Cousin 300 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: Subs fifty years of Better. I know the fifty years 301 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: thing was last year, so maybe I should be saying 302 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: fifty one years of better. I'll have to check with 303 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: I'll you have to check with your contact at Cousins 304 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,119 Speaker 1: on that for me quest. 305 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: I will, But I also know enough about sales to 306 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: never deviate off the screen. 307 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: I know it's like read read, what's read, what's in 308 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: front of you. That's a that's technically, that's how it works. 309 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: It has been fifty years of better, it's just fifty 310 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: years in change of that. 311 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Like that's the other fifty plus years. So well, 312 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: another another topic I wanted to get to that we 313 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: had so much with regard to what was going on 314 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: at practice to to get to on our last show, 315 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: that we didn't get to the fact that at Monday's practice, 316 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: this week, Peyton Manning was in attendance the uh the 317 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterback, two time Super Bowl champion and 318 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: now very very busy with his own media production business. 319 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: And no, he was not here to talk to Jordan 320 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: Love about the Netflix Quarterback series. That was not part 321 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: of their discussion. But Jordan Love did reveal to the 322 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: media some of the stuff that they did talk about, 323 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: and he was really appreciative of the chance to talk 324 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: with Peyton Manning one on one, and they talked a 325 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: lot about, you know, just preparation, you know, how to 326 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: how to study film and you know, how to be 327 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: that that leader and that that main communicator on the 328 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: offense when it comes to your lineman and your receivers 329 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: and all that, and uh, you know, Jordan Love soaked 330 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: up everything he could from, uh, from that conversation with 331 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, and I think he, you know, he really 332 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: appreciated that opportunity. 333 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, a neat opportunity for a young guy that you know, 334 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: you always go back to thinking about, like when you know, 335 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers got to Green Bay and he talked about 336 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 2: the influence that Joe Montana had on him and Steve 337 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 2: Young and those guys from the Bay Area and and 338 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: obviously quarterbacks learned from quarterbacks, right, It's the way it 339 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: all goes in our profession too. There's writers we aspired 340 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: to be and and and people that we enjoyed reading. 341 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: So for Love to be able to have that interaction, 342 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: I thought was really valuable. And as Matt Lafleur said, 343 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: you know, Peyton coming and saying in words to the 344 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 2: entire team though, those are those are the monumental kind 345 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 2: of things because as Jordan's talked about, and I think 346 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: we don't discuss this enough, Peyton Manning had a ton 347 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: of pressure on him coming into the National Football League. Now, 348 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 2: social media twenty five years ago isn't what it is today, 349 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: so he probably didn't have to like look at it 350 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: from every single person giving their opinion at every single second. 351 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is he was Archie 352 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 2: Manning's son. He was the first overall pick and he 353 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 2: threw what was it, twenty nine interceptions his first year 354 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: in the National Football League. 355 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: Still has the rookie record for most interceptions in one season. 356 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, rookies really gonna get that much of a 357 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: leash these days, Xeah Exactly. 358 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: That's the thing It's kind of like what Brett Farres said. 359 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: You know, he holds the all time record for interceptions 360 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: for a career. It's like, well, you have to be 361 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,719 Speaker 1: doing something right if you be allowed to throw that 362 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: many interceptions. And Peyton Manning was allowed to throw that 363 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: many as a rookie because the Colts knew what they 364 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: had and certainly it eventually came around for him. 365 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: And the Colts weren't very good that year either, right, 366 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 2: and next thing you know, they turn it around and 367 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 2: they'd become a perennial playoff team and eventually a super 368 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: Bowl champion. But to be able to level with a 369 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 2: guy like Jordan Love like that, I think that's important 370 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 2: because it reminds you that whatever the result is today 371 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 2: doesn't mean that that predestines to you to what tomorrow 372 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: is going to be good or bad. Right, there's going 373 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 2: to be ebbs and flows to this game. And it's 374 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: the number one thing I talked about all off season 375 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 2: when we would do these podcasts, when we do unscripted, 376 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: when we talk to Larry, is that Jordan Love, that's 377 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 2: the biggest transition for me, That that's the biggest hurdle 378 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 2: I think he needs to climb is just that you're 379 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 2: going to play a game on Sunday. You're going to 380 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 2: break it down. You know, unless you start winning a 381 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: bunch of games, you don't have you get victory Mondays. 382 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: But you're gonna have to break it down on Monday 383 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 2: and you start getting ready for the new game plan 384 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,719 Speaker 2: on Wednesday. That's the That's how the life of an 385 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 2: NFL quarterback goes. You have to have that short memory 386 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 2: and you have to keep building towards what's coming next. 387 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: And I feel like that is the personification of what 388 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: Peyton Manning did in his career. That's how you last 389 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 2: as long as he did in the league, in addition 390 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: to just having a you know a lot of God 391 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: given talent and ability. So I think it's exciting right now. 392 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 2: I think it's exciting for the Green Bay Packers when 393 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 2: you get that type of player in here. I mean 394 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: all our eyes immediately from the sidelines started going over there. 395 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: I started when you as soon as you notice Peyton 396 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 2: Manning there, it is something that's going to catch you. 397 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 2: And I'm just really happy for Peyton Manning too that 398 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: he got to chat with Red Batty, because when you 399 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 2: talk about legendary people in the National Football League. Peyton 400 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 2: Manning's up there. He's pretty good. Hall of Famer, but 401 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 2: Red Batty Gordon just the cut above. Yeah. 402 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: Well, the other thing I really enjoyed was hearing Matt 403 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: Lafleur at the podium the other day reminiscing about a 404 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: very bad memory early in his coaching career when he 405 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: had just broken into the league with the Houston Texans 406 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: and they basically blew a seventeen point lead to Peyton 407 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,479 Speaker 1: Manning in the last five minutes of the game. And 408 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: it's funny, West because I, you know, me and my 409 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: curiosity and how you know. So I went and looked 410 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: up the game and exactly like, okay, so, how did 411 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning pull off this comeback? Well, one, it wasn't 412 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: It wasn't all Peyton Manning. But this is how it unfolded, 413 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: and you have to picture. Okay, if you're Matt Lafleur, 414 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: this is this is like his fourth or fifth game 415 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: as an NFL assistant coach, on the bottom of the 416 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: totem pole quality control level with the Houston Texans. He's 417 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: just just gotten into the league in two thousand and eight, 418 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: and he's a month into his career as an NFL coach, 419 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: and he's watching from the press box and his team 420 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: has a twenty seven to ten lead with about five 421 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: minutes to go. Huge underdogs, the Texans against the Colts, 422 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: and Peyton Manning drives the Colts down for a touchdown. 423 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: It's twenty seven to seventeen. Then the Texans fumble the ball, 424 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: it gets scooped up and run back seventy yards for 425 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: a touchdown, so it's twenty seven to twenty four. And 426 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: then the Texans fumble the ball again. The Colts recover, 427 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning drives them down and gets the touchdown to 428 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: take the lead with a little bit under two minutes left. 429 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: And then the Texans get one more shot and the 430 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: quarterback throws an interception. So that's actually how that game unfolded. 431 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: So you talk about a game that is going to 432 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: make an impression on a young coach who's just broken 433 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: into the league. He's up against a you know, watching 434 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame quarterback on the other side, seeing 435 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,719 Speaker 1: how how you absolutely have to play and execute and 436 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: do things right for sixty minutes in order to win 437 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: games in this league, and how huge a factor turnovers 438 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: can be. 439 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:30,479 Speaker 2: I mean it was. 440 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: It was all laid out for Matt Lafluor right there 441 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 1: in that game against Peyton Manning and the Colts. And 442 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: it was fun to hear him talk about that bad memory, 443 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: but then also look up the details of exactly what unfolded, 444 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: because there's no question that that game made a big 445 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: impression on Matt Lafleur and how it's shaped him as 446 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: a head coach. 447 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and people wonder why Matt always talks about turnover 448 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 2: margin different exactly exactly, Just look at that one first 449 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 2: month of the two thousand and eight season, twenty seven 450 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 2: to ten, with five minutes to go. 451 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: Look what happened. 452 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: So it'll turn, it'll turn whatever it is, a seventeen 453 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 2: point lead into a deficit real quick when you start 454 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 2: tumbling balls for touchdowns. But but hey, listen, I mean 455 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: it's cool, it's it is the neat thing about training camp. 456 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 2: I remember, if I can just say one last story 457 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: here before we cut out, The first time I saw 458 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 2: John Madden at one of our training camps. I was 459 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: still at the Press because ut of the time John 460 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 2: was a little bit older, but he was here. I 461 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 2: can't remember what the project was for, but you start 462 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 2: to see some of these people that have had such 463 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: an impact on the game of football and what the 464 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 2: sport that we enjoy today. And there's no like goodyear 465 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 2: blimp saying hey, welcome, Pete mcley just kind of show 466 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: up from time to time during camp, right yep here 467 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 2: there and and to me, that's that's always the most fun. 468 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 2: And yeah, a very cool memory. And I think something 469 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: that Jordan love is he ventures off as we talk 470 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 2: about it, into his first year as a head as 471 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 2: a head coach, as a quarterback, starting quarterback in the 472 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 2: National Football League. One of those like tiny moments that 473 00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: kind of builds up to something special. 474 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and Manning did. He addressed the entire team 475 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: actually after practice on Monday, shared some words of wisdom 476 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: and everything. 477 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 2: There. 478 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: I know we do have to get going. But I 479 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: want to mention one other thing to all of our 480 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: loyal listeners readers out there. If you have not checked 481 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: out Wes's story on Derek Coleman, the deaf slash heard 482 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: of hearing Super Bowl champion from the Seattle Seahawks who 483 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: is now a member of the Packers' front office in 484 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: the player engagement area, you need to read that story. 485 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: It's really really well done. It's a great story by 486 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: about a great individual. I'll give you just a minute here, 487 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: Wes to talk about how that story came together and 488 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: the impression that it made on you as the writer. 489 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 2: Well, it was fun, Mike, because I think you and 490 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: I we both remember Derek Coleman and the Duracell commercial 491 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: and everything he was a part of with the Seattle Seahawks, 492 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 2: good bad and in between, right. I mean, there was 493 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 2: a touchdown in twenty fourteen and that opener at you know, 494 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 2: Oughton Seattle that I'll never quite forget either. But that 495 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: being said, from a football perspective and what he means 496 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: to this community, I feel like it was fun being 497 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: a part of that. So basically, myself, Tyler Gaieski, and 498 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 2: Nick McGahan from our video department all went down to 499 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 2: Verona Area High School beautiful high school by the way, Michael, 500 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 2: down in your southern eastern part of the woods, southwestern 501 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: southwestern sorry. 502 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: Near Madison I know is yeah, Verona is very close 503 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: to Madison for those who don't know. 504 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 2: Terrible at geography. It was my worst subject. Sorry, But 505 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: that being said, I'm really getting off to a great 506 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 2: start on this promo R and I. But the fact 507 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 2: was is that being able to be with him in 508 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 2: the American Sign language. Students from Verona, Wisconsin School from 509 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 2: the Deaf was also there. Their faculty had came to 510 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 2: the event and listening to Derek's message, and it's one 511 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 2: thing to read stories, it's one thing to watch amazing 512 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: video packages that have been put together over the years, 513 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 2: but when you actually see the way he interacts with kids, 514 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 2: it was very special. And having a chance to talk 515 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 2: with Gray Rugemer about him and Matt Lafleur made a comment, 516 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: and then certainly some of the lives he's touched away 517 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: from football. You know, that was the coolest part of 518 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 2: the experience to me because you see what a certain 519 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 2: amount of celebrity can do for the good of the 520 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 2: world if used in channeled properly, and I feel like 521 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 2: Derek Coleman has really done that. Now, as you mentioned, 522 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 2: the assistant to Gray Rugemer in the player engagement area, 523 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: it's the perfect role for Derek. He has had such 524 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 2: an incredible lived experience and his ability to kind of 525 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 2: relay and tell players what it's like to go through things, 526 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 2: I think is really important because in a lot of 527 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: ways he had to study this book over and over 528 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 2: and over again to make it as long as he 529 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 2: did in the National Football League, And as Aaron Jones 530 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,719 Speaker 2: told me during the offseason when I talked to him 531 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 2: about it, you know, he feels like he could be 532 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: a real special piece to what this team is building 533 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: now moving forward. Yeah. 534 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I encourage everyone to check out that story. 535 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: It was posted on packers dot com Wednesday. Shouldn't be 536 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: too hard to find and uh and I think you'll 537 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: really enjoy it. So with that, we will call it 538 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure 539 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: to follow all of our coverage of training camp. We've 540 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: got it all for you on packers dot com. For Wes, 541 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: I am Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody. We 542 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: will see you next time.