WEBVTT - Stephen Jackley: The Wannabe Robin Hood

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Elizabeth, look at you so glad to see you.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a question for that smile and face.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I do. I do. I love garlic. We know that.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that, you know that.

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<v Speaker 2>You even have clothing that says that.

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<v Speaker 3>My neighbors know that I love garlic. And I don't

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<v Speaker 3>care if I smell like garlic.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that's half the pleasure. I kind of is

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<v Speaker 2>like a bubble of like.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's like there are two things when you're cooking

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<v Speaker 3>and baking, like if it says add a teaspoon of

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<v Speaker 3>vanilla and four okay, And if it says add for

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<v Speaker 3>clothes of garlic, like add ahead of garlic.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, that's till like sixteen cloves.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty much. That's just the Those are the like unwritten

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<v Speaker 3>rules of of food fixers.

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<v Speaker 2>You got a heavy finger with the garlic.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that, Yes, exactly. So you would think one

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<v Speaker 3>would think that if there was a garlic product, I'd

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<v Speaker 3>be like all about it.

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<v Speaker 2>We were on such a good no, no, just hold on,

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<v Speaker 2>hold on.

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<v Speaker 3>Because like I went to the store and there was

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<v Speaker 3>the best foods otherwise known as Hellman's on the other

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<v Speaker 3>side of they do a garlic ali. It does not

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<v Speaker 3>taste good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the same company.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I did not know many.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, learn something new every day.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of like dryers and uh, what is it? Eaties?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure that that you know? Continental divide Carls Junior. We're

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<v Speaker 3>a nation divided. Yeah, AnyWho best foods? Garlic Ali not good.

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<v Speaker 3>So I apologize to them. If they want to make

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<v Speaker 3>it right with me, fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm taking notes. Not good.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I'm just a food snob and I like

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<v Speaker 3>it homemade. Aside from that, so a lot of our

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<v Speaker 3>listeners were like, tell Elizabeth, I know she likes garlic,

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<v Speaker 3>and I know that there are some things that really

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<v Speaker 3>irritate the snot out of her. This is both Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>They're finally getting you. Yeah, thank you guys, dudes, you night.

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<v Speaker 3>So apparently I'm not on TikTok. There's book talk, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>which I guess is when people talk about books on

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<v Speaker 3>TikTok when they should be actually just reading the books.

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<v Speaker 3>But aside from that, there's an author, Jennifer l Arman Trout,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think she writes like, I don't know, vampire

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<v Speaker 3>books cool. She has a title that's coming out, The

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<v Speaker 3>Primal of Blood and Bone, which just like you know

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<v Speaker 3>me and fantasy books like vampires and dragons, kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like stay far away. Yeah, that's my that's my garlic.

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<v Speaker 3>Where I a vampire? Anyway, I'm dragging this off way

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<v Speaker 3>too long. So so this lady, she's got a book

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<v Speaker 3>coming out. She teamed up with Hellman's What I Know

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<v Speaker 3>Stop and they made a special edition garlic scented copy

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<v Speaker 3>of her book that is infused with Hellman's garlic aoli

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<v Speaker 3>create a one of a kind craven proof books. So

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<v Speaker 3>Craven must be a character who's like a vampire.

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<v Speaker 2>This sounds like it the books.

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<v Speaker 3>Seeking another worldly experience, fire bound by flavor. This garlic

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<v Speaker 3>scented special edition is juicy enough to sink your teeth

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<v Speaker 3>right in. Take a closer look at all the fine details,

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<v Speaker 3>warning it will consume you. And then I have this

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<v Speaker 3>thing like a front plate like in the book. This

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<v Speaker 3>van pre repelling special edition of The Primal of Blood

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<v Speaker 3>and Bone was printed using garlic aoli infused ink. It

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<v Speaker 3>was meticulously crafted to repel nocturnal nibblers, specifically the ugly

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<v Speaker 3>creepy kind. So the book's going to spank, and not

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<v Speaker 3>in a good way. If it's this garlic AILI from Helmet,

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<v Speaker 3>it's greasy. Why I don't know, but the whole thing

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<v Speaker 3>is greasy and you can't you can't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Why would anyone want?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, because it's the people who are like, I'm quirky.

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<v Speaker 3>Are we going to go to a book fair and

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<v Speaker 3>sign it one?

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<v Speaker 2>Really?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? They do? These people, these people out there, that's

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<v Speaker 3>wowd you just need to eat more garlic, drink more

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<v Speaker 3>vanilla extract. I don't know when.

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<v Speaker 2>Will the mashup culture and when will it come home

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<v Speaker 2>from the war?

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<v Speaker 3>Never insummation your honor. That's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give you that one. I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know what I know.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just like I kept getting that's forwarded to

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<v Speaker 3>be forwarded to me, and I was like, deep sigh, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually they're going to push you onto my side.

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<v Speaker 3>Of They are they are that they're writing a strongly

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<v Speaker 3>worded letters to these corporations.

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<v Speaker 2>Dear mister mashups, stop it.

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<v Speaker 3>Dear mister Hellman, dear admiral.

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<v Speaker 2>Help today. I want to tell you a story. Yes please,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even think it's nearly as ridiculous. It's ridiculous,

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<v Speaker 2>but not.

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<v Speaker 3>Adulous like garlic.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but it is medieval. It will get medieval on you.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to tell you a story about a crimer

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<v Speaker 2>who you could say was partly inspired by a cartoon Fox.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and

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<v Speaker 2>outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's always ninety nine percent

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<v Speaker 2>murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous ridiculous. Elizabeth sar

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned up top how today's crimeer may have been

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<v Speaker 2>partly inspired by a cartoon Fox. You want to take

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<v Speaker 2>a guess at which cartoon? Fox?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, is it the animated Robin Hood?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's fine singing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, did you and your brother watch that one? Like

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<v Speaker 2>way my sister and I watched it.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we wore that tape out?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, I knew all of the songs completely. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, fun fact. That movie came out in nineteen seventy three.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the first animated film made by Disney after

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<v Speaker 2>Walt Disney passed on the first post Walt movie, Animated one,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was also the first animated Disney movie to

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<v Speaker 2>feature no human characters. I know. I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>So the film features a bunch of my favorites in

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<v Speaker 2>the cast. There's the minstrel Allan A. Dale. The rooster

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<v Speaker 2>is played by Roger Miller aka King of the Row Sanger.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, it also stars one of my all time

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<v Speaker 2>favorite performers, Phil Harris, as the cartoon bear sidekick Little John.

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<v Speaker 2>For those who don't know, Phil Harris used to play

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<v Speaker 2>himself in the Jack Benny Radio Show and then again

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<v Speaker 2>played himself in the Phil Harris and Alice Fay Show.

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<v Speaker 2>I listened to both on radio classics. Thank you. I

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<v Speaker 2>just love his voice, his whole vibe. I mean, come on, anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Who is the King in the Louis Prima?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh the King? Oh? The King is Peter Houston off

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<v Speaker 2>underrated actor? He played both Prince John, the villain, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Prince the heroic brother King Richard, So you were right.

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<v Speaker 2>He did put in the King. Yeah, and apparently the

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<v Speaker 2>singer Louis Prima, who was such a hit in the

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<v Speaker 2>Jungle Book right as a king Louis the King of

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<v Speaker 2>the Swingers the Jungle vip. Well, he expected to get

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<v Speaker 2>a role in Disney's Robin Hood and they were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>Louis bad news. Bro. He's like, what, I'm the King

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<v Speaker 2>of the Swingers the Jungle Vip. They're like, we ain't

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<v Speaker 2>got a role for you, right. So he was so

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<v Speaker 2>steamed about it. He recorded a whole album about it

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<v Speaker 2>called Let's Hear It for robin Hood, and then he

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<v Speaker 2>went he sold that album to Disneyland Records, which I

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<v Speaker 2>did not know was a thing, right, And he was

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<v Speaker 2>like Denzel Washington at the Oscars, like I'm leaving with something,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. He's like, I'm getting paid on my beat,

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<v Speaker 2>getting wet.

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<v Speaker 3>So he wrote his own songs about the movie. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't like distracks and.

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<v Speaker 2>It was used in the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just so you could stumble upon it and

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<v Speaker 3>in the record.

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<v Speaker 2>Store and oh yeah, and they're like, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>this is none of this is in the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a jet and he's important.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly like what we doing.

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<v Speaker 3>In the world. That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how mad you was. So yeah, the fun fact

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<v Speaker 2>just for you, Elizabeth. Yeah, as you kind of intimated earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>Disney's Robinhood was a major early inspiration for some of

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<v Speaker 2>your faves. The furries. They think of the cartoon Fox

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<v Speaker 2>as a quasi sex symbol.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I told you about my evolution on first, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>come around to my side. Have I talked about it

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<v Speaker 3>on here? I don't know in public.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've made this public.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. So my whole thing with furries is they irritated

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<v Speaker 3>the bejeebers out of me. And then I started, anytime

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<v Speaker 3>you get annoyed or upset with someone, you have to

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<v Speaker 3>investigate yourself why that is, yes, And instead of saying well,

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<v Speaker 3>because they're lame, like no, really really investigated and I

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<v Speaker 3>realized that it was. One of the things I find

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<v Speaker 3>super annoying is when adults talk about how like I

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<v Speaker 3>love a sense of play and like they have this like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's my childhood. And then I had kind of realized,

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<v Speaker 3>like I didn't really have that chance as a kid. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I had to grow up really fast for a number

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<v Speaker 3>of reasons. And so it's like, I don't think that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm jealous of it. I just it's something that's so

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<v Speaker 3>foreign to me, and it's something that I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>I had to move by so quickly that I look

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<v Speaker 3>at these people, I'm like, oh, give it the program.

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<v Speaker 3>We got bigger fish to fry, like you don't have

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<v Speaker 3>time to put on a little costume run around. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm letting go of that, and it makes them happy

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<v Speaker 3>and it fulfills them. And every time like they get

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<v Speaker 3>that like that, like tingle, when the barbed wire inside

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<v Speaker 3>me starts to coil.

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<v Speaker 2>And get taught.

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<v Speaker 3>I take a deep breath and I go, you know

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<v Speaker 3>what you do? You? I love that for you.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go as one of them as well as.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not trashing a hotel. Now that's right across the line.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know you want to dress up and stick

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<v Speaker 3>something up your ear like a tail, you know, knock

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<v Speaker 3>yourself out. Sure they do. I've seen it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's my football coach used to say. You point

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<v Speaker 2>a finger. Three fingers are pointing back at you over exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I highly recommend if you get super annoyed with

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<v Speaker 3>something and you think it's like why am I like, investigate,

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<v Speaker 3>sit on it for a while, think about it. I

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<v Speaker 3>like that it might not be an answer that you're

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<v Speaker 3>comfortable with. I wasn't comfortable with it, but you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>we live and learn.

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<v Speaker 2>You do grow every day that way.

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<v Speaker 3>Gross.

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<v Speaker 2>No, for the record, as far as like whether robinhood

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<v Speaker 2>was like sexy and the furries or onto something. I

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<v Speaker 2>did have more than one female friend who told me

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<v Speaker 2>over the years that as young girls they had crushes

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<v Speaker 2>on the cartoon Fox robin Hood.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that ate like the late Gen X. That's like

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<v Speaker 3>the everyone's like first crush is the animated Robinhood.

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<v Speaker 2>It goes late Gen X xxennials and then older millennials

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<v Speaker 2>the whole span. It's like like a ten year window

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<v Speaker 2>of people who.

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<v Speaker 3>Are like weird boomers.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one foxy Fox.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No, it was non threatening.

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<v Speaker 2>Well also, yeah, he's like you know they say confidence

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<v Speaker 2>is sexy. Yeah, I think that goes a long way.

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<v Speaker 3>I know who my first childhood crush was.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea. Mister slim good body.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's something that terrified my family.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh God, I'm not even going to guess who he's. Richards.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought he was so dream like in the like

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<v Speaker 3>like reflective shades, shaggy hair, like you know.

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<v Speaker 2>The skeletal drug addict. I find him.

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<v Speaker 3>Attractically recording in the South of France. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm four, let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>If you wanted something embarrassing about me, this is nowhere

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<v Speaker 2>near as that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just this is a therapy session, a lot out.

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<v Speaker 2>Just let's let's share, you know, just sharing time.

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<v Speaker 3>That's ridiculous, it's a crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know how I always remember who the King

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<v Speaker 2>of England was when the Magna carta was signed Disney's

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<v Speaker 2>robin Hood because John is the one. So I always

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<v Speaker 2>picture the scaredy cat lion being like bullied by his

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<v Speaker 2>nobles and crown. Yeah, exactly, that's how I remember it.

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<v Speaker 3>I like tooth what was it a rabbit or something?

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<v Speaker 3>That's all. I don't remember the character whatever, there's the

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<v Speaker 3>snakes or his like that. No, I didn't think so

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<v Speaker 3>it's like a little cute pie.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh there's yeah, the little rabbit, the boy rabbit who

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<v Speaker 2>wants to be like Robin Hood.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>And his sister has the list.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I like the little boy Rabbit.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there you go. Well enough about Disney's robin Head,

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<v Speaker 2>no question, Elizabeth. Do you know which movie came out

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety one that does not point break? It

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<v Speaker 2>was a major iconic film starring a guy who go

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<v Speaker 2>on to play a character named Dutton.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, Kevin Costner, Yes, in Robinhood. Princis there It

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<v Speaker 3>is with the with the iconic soundtrack from Brian Adams.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything I do, I do it for you, dude?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember the grip that song? Had this on the.

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<v Speaker 3>Smerdy Me I had it on single?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you really you couldn't watch MTV without that being

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<v Speaker 2>played every least once an hour?

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<v Speaker 3>Why did I get it on? You listen to it?

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<v Speaker 3>One's like, that's good. It's on the radio all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>I played it like once and then you flip it over.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the same song.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like a Canadian.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was all everything I do. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I really like, I don't know. I had a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of weird singles. Are you just like it's like an

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<v Speaker 3>impulse by it?

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<v Speaker 2>I totally feel you on that, sure, No I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I had like, well, those of the mine are like

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<v Speaker 2>like Beastie Boys KAS singles, but you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know I feel them cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I just was like, I want to, you know, check

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<v Speaker 2>your head past the mic version three versions of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I got the like EP of root Down and has

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<v Speaker 3>like seven versions of Best Boys.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a really good one.

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<v Speaker 3>We're talking now that I did listen to over and

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<v Speaker 3>over again.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's the technical Any.

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<v Speaker 3>Is your brain broken.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, they're also in That was Mary Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yes, I thought we were moving forward.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, we're moving backwards. Okay, cool, So okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>got a harder one for you. Do you remember the

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<v Speaker 2>other Robin Hood movie that came out in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>one that also was not.

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<v Speaker 3>Point bright Brooks right, Robin.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that was nineteen ninety three.

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<v Speaker 3>There was another robin Hood. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason why Robinhood is called robin Hood Prince of

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<v Speaker 2>Thieves is because the first one was just called robin Hood.

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<v Speaker 2>It starred Uma Thurman as Maid Marion.

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<v Speaker 3>Who is Robin Hood.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Patrick Bergen was his name.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's good that now we know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now we know that one came out in May. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the Kevin Costner version came out in June, so they

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<v Speaker 2>had to have it was a battling Yeah, it was like.

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<v Speaker 3>A whole It was like an asteroid movie.

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<v Speaker 2>But there you go, deep impact and army.

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<v Speaker 3>Guess I'm getting it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know. Now have you seen the other more

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<v Speaker 2>modern version such as Robin Hood Men in Tights? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the Melbrooks version right in it. Then there was the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ten Ridley Scott version that stars Russell Crowe got

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<v Speaker 2>you saw that? Yeah, I was curious. I looked it up.

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<v Speaker 2>How many robin Hood movies are there? And it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of wild because if you dated back to the silent

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<v Speaker 2>film era, motivated by the success of Like Later On,

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen thirty eight version starring Errol fle which is

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<v Speaker 2>the iconic one, right, that's like you know, it is

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<v Speaker 2>the little green felt hat gives us the look, the

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<v Speaker 2>green tights, the whole bit, right. So since then, there

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<v Speaker 2>has been at least one robin Hood movie released in

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<v Speaker 2>every single decade. Really, except for one decade. There was

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<v Speaker 2>one decade that didn't feature a robin Hood movie. Can

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<v Speaker 2>you want you want to guess which decade had no

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<v Speaker 2>Robinhood film?

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<v Speaker 3>Nineteen forties, good, guess we were a world at wars there, No, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Had Robinhood for the war, Oh we did. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>needed that gumption.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what.

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<v Speaker 2>The nineteen eighties of course, oh really yeah, the me

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<v Speaker 2>generations like forget Robinhood. We went on that energy to

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<v Speaker 2>this decade. It was like the toll opposite spirit. They're

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<v Speaker 2>like rob from the poor to give it to the rich.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, Michael Douglas.

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<v Speaker 2>Saron what's with all the fun facts and trivia questions

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<v Speaker 2>about Robin Hood. It's that kind of day, great question?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it way to bring your aoly game? I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, wondering, like when you get bored on the

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<v Speaker 2>robin Hood question. The reason why I wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 2>Robin It was to set a mood. Right, you've said

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<v Speaker 2>it since. That's what I want to tell you about today,

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<v Speaker 2>the cultural hole that that legend has on our imagination. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and they set up top. Today's crime is inspired by Robinhood.

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<v Speaker 2>This dude wanted to be a real life, actual factual Robinhood.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he didn't go into crime to get rich. He

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<v Speaker 2>became a burglar to live out his robin Hood fantasies.

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<v Speaker 3>I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>He legit robbed from the rich to give to the poor,

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<v Speaker 2>just like the famous outlaud of Sherwood for now. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I love that, right, I've been a robin Hood man

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<v Speaker 2>from the jump. In fact, on my first car, I

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<v Speaker 2>had a bumper sticker that used to say robin Hood

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<v Speaker 2>was right there I am driving around.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you also have one that said, like, it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>criminal that what you know? We have to have a

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<v Speaker 3>bake sale.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I wasn't that kind of guy. I was like snarky,

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<v Speaker 2>but not like that no bake sales while our our

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<v Speaker 2>schools have to hold robbin launchers.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I don't remember what it was. Today's

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<v Speaker 3>one of those coexist bumper.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I told you I was. I was snarky. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought I was being like, you know, let's take from

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<v Speaker 2>the rich. I thought I was.

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<v Speaker 3>It's sort of like I had not in an altruistic way,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's that age. It was snarky. In high school,

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<v Speaker 3>I had a T shirt that said breathe or die

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<v Speaker 3>there and I thought that was absolutely hysterical. I thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was the coolest shirt. You know that in my

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<v Speaker 3>model U N shirts proceed I'd like to do is

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<v Speaker 3>just in.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's primer is a British cat named Stephen George Dennis Jackie.

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen George Dennis Jackie.

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<v Speaker 2>There will not be a quiz at the end. Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>Jackie he was. He was from the South Devon Coast,

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<v Speaker 2>from a place called Sidmouth or Sidmouth if you're an American, sidmth.

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<v Speaker 2>His father was a painter an engineer. He was also

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a bully. His mother was a tragic figure.

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<v Speaker 2>She suffered three episodes of schizophrenia, and so his early

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<v Speaker 2>years are basically marked by memories of his mom being

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<v Speaker 2>hauled off by either cops or medical staff, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the guys in white jackets, or his father like yelling

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<v Speaker 2>at him. Right. So this was all very hard on

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<v Speaker 2>young Stephen. He was also very sensitive lad, and so

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<v Speaker 2>in his early formative years it gave him a certain

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<v Speaker 2>distance from others, like he didn't have any friends. His

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<v Speaker 2>neighbors said of young Stephen, he was a very quiet lad.

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<v Speaker 2>I've only seen him a half a dozen times in

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<v Speaker 2>all the years they ever lived there. He used to

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<v Speaker 2>spend a lot of time in the house. Another neighbor said,

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<v Speaker 2>he did not seem to have any friends around here.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a very much a loner. You never saw

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<v Speaker 2>him playing out in the street or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>He was very quiet. You never saw him out socializing.

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<v Speaker 2>So as a result of his parents and his perennial shyness,

0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:30.119
<v Speaker 2>young Stephen retreated into fantasies. He was this highly moral,

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<v Speaker 2>ethical kid, so he liked to dream of making the

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<v Speaker 2>world a better place, and to do that, he dreamed

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<v Speaker 2>of one day becoming an outlaw ful hero yeah, man

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<v Speaker 2>after my own heart, because even as a young kid,

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<v Speaker 2>he saw that the world was a very unfair place.

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<v Speaker 2>This bothered him again his teen years. Right. For instance,

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<v Speaker 2>he was traveling with his family in Thailand and he

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<v Speaker 2>witnessed like the vast wealth disparities between what he knew

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<v Speaker 2>in the UK and what he was seeing in Southeast Asia,

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<v Speaker 2>and it bothered him to his core. So at some

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<v Speaker 2>point he gets into like this spiritual debate with a

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<v Speaker 2>Buddhist monk that he talks to. He's like a team, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's like, you know, asking him the ethical questions,

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<v Speaker 2>like is it ethical to do wrong if you do

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<v Speaker 2>it for the greater good? And the Buddhist Monk's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what are we talking about here? I need some parameters, kid.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know what the monk told him, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was apparently a very formative moment in his development

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<v Speaker 2>because it's mentioned in almost every story I read about him. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>he had then this is where his fantasies about becoming

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<v Speaker 2>an outlaw folk hero start to take hold and really

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<v Speaker 2>just grip his mind. Right. Eventually, he left his childhood

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<v Speaker 2>home behind. He went off to college at the University

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<v Speaker 2>of Wooster or is it's spelled on paper Warchester. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he entered the university as a geography student,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet even as a young man, he still harbored

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<v Speaker 2>all these childhood fantasies. Right, so one day he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to become an outlaw folk hero, a do

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<v Speaker 2>gooder like by man Robin Hood Nice, And he did that,

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Nice. Let's take a little break. When we get back,

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<v Speaker 2>I will tell you about the crime career of Stephen Jackly. Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>we're back now. It's something I forgot to mention about

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<v Speaker 2>Steven Jackie that I probably should have mentioned when I

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<v Speaker 2>was introducing him.

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<v Speaker 3>He's imaginary.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, he's totally real, and he's not me. This

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<v Speaker 2>is like I'm telling you a story where I'm using

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<v Speaker 2>a fake name. No, he was. When he was a

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<v Speaker 2>college student. He also got into experimenting with drugs, particular

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<v Speaker 2>smoking weed and blowing lines of cocaine. So that may

0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.359
<v Speaker 2>have had an influence on his whole life. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>rob the rich and the poor, me being one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, that also may have inspired some of his

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<v Speaker 2>fantasies of becoming an outlaw folk hero, because you know

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<v Speaker 2>how cocaine is. It's like, hey, man, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna do. I'm going to become a hell maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a smoke pot. He's like, yeah, I love that idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they're both telling him the same thing. But what

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<v Speaker 2>do I know. What I do know is this Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 2>In two thousand and seven, while he was studying geography

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<v Speaker 2>at the University of Wooster, he decides it's time to

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<v Speaker 2>start pulling my ethical crimes. He's twenty one years old

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<v Speaker 2>at the time. He's living in the dorms on campus,

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<v Speaker 2>really student housing, it's not exactly the dorms, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I'm going to become a real life Robin

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<v Speaker 2>Hood now you can believe it. The very next year,

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and eight, there was this huge worldwide

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<v Speaker 2>financial crash and melt down, and it was already starting

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<v Speaker 2>to happen in two thousand and seven. We dated in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and eight, but it was it was very evident,

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<v Speaker 2>and so this threw a ton of fuel onto his

0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:36.480
<v Speaker 2>righteous fire that was already burning inside of him. So like,

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<v Speaker 2>while other students are going out and like making placards

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<v Speaker 2>to march and attend protests and and you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>argue against the wealth inequalities of the world and like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, shout about this insatiable greed of bankers. Stephen

0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Jackie's like, I'm going to steal their money.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just gonna cut to the chase right to it, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So to do this obviously, He's like, I will be

0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:59.120
<v Speaker 2>a college student by day, robin Hood by night.

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<v Speaker 3>And he still doesn't have a whole lot of friends

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<v Speaker 3>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I should be clear about him deciding to become

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<v Speaker 2>a real life Robinhood. Like, I don't mean he started

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<v Speaker 2>wearing green tights in imagine greenfelt.

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<v Speaker 3>Hat is a shame.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, No, he was as fun as that would

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<v Speaker 2>have been. He kept it low pro, right, he well,

0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:19.240
<v Speaker 2>I'll get to that a second, not exactly low pro.

0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:21.640
<v Speaker 2>But he didn't wear the Robinhood uniform. I'll just put

0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:24.399
<v Speaker 2>it that, okay, Okay. I should also probably mentioned that

0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Stephen Jackie's moral wreckted to was partly motivated, at least

0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:30.680
<v Speaker 2>by everything I read, by his Asperger syndrome.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:34.440
<v Speaker 2>He was suspected that his Asperger syndrome partly motivated him

0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:37.520
<v Speaker 2>to want to right society's wrongs to balance the scale

0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:40.960
<v Speaker 2>he gave him this moral like fiber. Now years later,

0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:43.679
<v Speaker 2>looking back at what became, you know what he became?

0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Rather in his university years, Stephen Jacklie. He wrote this

0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:49.760
<v Speaker 2>letter to a newspaper, the Sunday Mercury, and he reconsidered

0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:51.359
<v Speaker 2>what he was thinking at the time, and as he

0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:54.280
<v Speaker 2>told his Sunday Mercury, it became apparent I could fulfill

0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:56.240
<v Speaker 2>the role of a hero, following in the footsteps of

0:22:56.280 --> 0:22:58.439
<v Speaker 2>a legend who had broken the law to bring wealth

0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:01.520
<v Speaker 2>and justice to the people. I could become a modern

0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:06.400
<v Speaker 2>day Robin Hood. He also addressed his motivations, his ethical

0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:09.600
<v Speaker 2>motivations that are more modern. He said, quote capitalism and

0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:13.760
<v Speaker 2>the unregulated market economy is responsible for immense human inequality.

0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:16.919
<v Speaker 2>It is driven and continues to drive a widening gulf

0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:20.080
<v Speaker 2>between the rich and the poor. I made a promise, nay,

0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:23.400
<v Speaker 2>a vow to change things, to make a difference.

0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:25.760
<v Speaker 3>All right, God, you get the feeling right.

0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:28.280
<v Speaker 2>Like he wants to make a lasting difference. What would

0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:34.440
<v Speaker 2>be a lasting difference? Great question, As he explained, drastic, unprecedented,

0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:37.960
<v Speaker 2>courageous actions were required. But for every goal and dream,

0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:42.200
<v Speaker 2>there is one crucial ingredient needed to bring it to fruition.

0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:46.960
<v Speaker 2>It's the same ingredient that all human endeavors require, regardless

0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:53.880
<v Speaker 2>of effort or need. Yes, money was widlicked. So he's

0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:56.199
<v Speaker 2>not like your man Willy Sutton. Right, He's like, why

0:23:56.280 --> 0:24:01.919
<v Speaker 2>do you rob banks? Willy? Why? Because that's about the money.

0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:05.160
<v Speaker 2>So Stephen Jackley, he's like another man might have taken

0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:07.280
<v Speaker 2>a road of reason getting a job or beginning a

0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:10.320
<v Speaker 2>career that would be a pathway to accomplishment. Many would

0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 2>have simply have accepted that they could make no difference,

0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:16.480
<v Speaker 2>or that ultimately it wasn't the worth the effort. In youth,

0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:21.760
<v Speaker 2>self centered desires take priority fast cars, pretty women, drugs,

0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:24.960
<v Speaker 2>and drink. Even when the survival of humanity is at

0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:28.280
<v Speaker 2>stake the future of their families. Most people do not

0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:31.399
<v Speaker 2>take active steps to change things. They simply ignore the

0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:35.960
<v Speaker 2>impending crisis, accept it, or don't do enough. Not my

0:24:36.040 --> 0:24:37.240
<v Speaker 2>man Stephen jacks.

0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:39.400
<v Speaker 3>But I mean, he's like, oh, y'all don't do enough.

0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:42.440
<v Speaker 3>But I'm still gonna do the drugs and do enough.

0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:44.680
<v Speaker 3>I was like, you guys are out there doing drugs.

0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:45.360
<v Speaker 2>Keep that in mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I still do it.

0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:51.439
<v Speaker 2>He's like, he says, another point. Day by day, I

0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:54.440
<v Speaker 2>could feel the rails vibrating. I think he means metaphorically.

0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Day by day I was aware of what could, what

0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:01.240
<v Speaker 2>would happen, and then it's fate would have it. One

0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:03.560
<v Speaker 2>day it did happen. In the autumn of two thousand

0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:05.680
<v Speaker 2>and seven, he became Robin Hood.

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:06.359
<v Speaker 3>Good for him.

0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:08.199
<v Speaker 2>So at the first the cops in the UK, they

0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:10.760
<v Speaker 2>were confused by this sudden appearance of this new bank

0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:13.600
<v Speaker 2>rubber on the scene, this man who seemed to work alone,

0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:16.440
<v Speaker 2>man who was armed and dangerous, but he was also

0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:20.560
<v Speaker 2>a very sophisticated kind of professional thief. No, I should

0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:23.680
<v Speaker 2>be clear. To disguise himself, our new outlaw folk hero

0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:27.879
<v Speaker 2>in training. He employed a pair of dark, oversized sunglasses.

0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:32.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking like, imagine like Audrey Dunner shades totally, but

0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 2>more like Audrey Hepburn shades. Yeah right, so big yeah,

0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:40.320
<v Speaker 2>big dad so. And then also he we like to uh.

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:45.639
<v Speaker 2>He favored a rather outrageous blonde wig like I'm picturing

0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:46.840
<v Speaker 2>like a Dolly Parton number.

0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:49.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh you're seeing it go high. I'm going long and scraggling.

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:53.679
<v Speaker 2>Long, scraggly high, deep and wide. I mean, it was

0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:55.920
<v Speaker 2>just all the descriptions.

0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:59.119
<v Speaker 3>For deep Mountain high. Is it like Dolly Parton like

0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:00.040
<v Speaker 3>the I don't think.

0:25:59.880 --> 0:26:03.399
<v Speaker 2>Like taller the hair, I don't think like Dacas. No,

0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:07.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking like maybe in B fifty twos. Let's go

0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:09.480
<v Speaker 2>with that. That's kind of fun, but it's more of

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:12.480
<v Speaker 2>a bee hive. Yeah, I'm thinking it had some more length,

0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:13.560
<v Speaker 2>like shoulder length hair.

0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:18.480
<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's place it somewhere in like Tampa Bay newscaster

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:19.440
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty five.

0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Boom, there it is.

0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:23.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, settled almost on a man, almost a prince valiant.

0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:27.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good point, Yeah, very good. So at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>all this has nothing to do with robinhood, right, No,

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:33.160
<v Speaker 2>little greenfelt had for this brother. No, but it did

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:36.360
<v Speaker 2>allow him to have a you know, a costume, one

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:39.040
<v Speaker 2>would say, a way to disguise himself. Now, looking for

0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:41.560
<v Speaker 2>an early taste of success, he tried to wrap like

0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:44.600
<v Speaker 2>a bank courier outside the bank. He's like, just one

0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:47.960
<v Speaker 2>on one, me and him. Right, it shows up armed

0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:50.920
<v Speaker 2>with a knife and a pellet gun. Oh, which must

0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:53.000
<v Speaker 2>not have looked very convincing because the courrier was like,

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:56.240
<v Speaker 2>piss off. Nice. He's like, all right, So he decided

0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 2>letast start out with easier targets. Maybe get some practice

0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:02.120
<v Speaker 2>under my belt. Or so he decided to hit a bookie,

0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:03.880
<v Speaker 2>like a bookie spot, you know, like in the UK

0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:06.679
<v Speaker 2>they have those like bookiey houses or usual shop makers.

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:07.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:09.920
<v Speaker 2>So for one of his earliest successful robberies, he walks

0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:12.159
<v Speaker 2>into a bookie like one of those betting shops, and

0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 2>he was like armed with a hammer and a knife.

0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:17.120
<v Speaker 3>Like one of the like storefront styles.

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:19.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I imagine, but I also imagine kind of like

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:21.640
<v Speaker 2>the storefront type like you'd find in a guy Ritchie film.

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:24.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you see him, there's just like yeah, countertops.

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's exactly high. Countertops are like a woman working

0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:28.040
<v Speaker 2>there with a bit of an attitude. Sure, all right,

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:30.000
<v Speaker 2>So he tells the two clerks working.

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<v Speaker 3>There, I'm sorry, he had a hammer, hammer and.

0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 2>A knife and a nice shows up. I got one

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 2>for each of you.

0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:36.360
<v Speaker 3>Break an ice block.

0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:38.879
<v Speaker 2>They're like, oh, he's nuts. Okay, so this is not

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:41.200
<v Speaker 2>going to end well. So he tells the two clerks

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.040
<v Speaker 2>working that they need to stuff his backpack with cash

0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:48.480
<v Speaker 2>or else. Yea, they decided they didn't want to learn

0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 2>more about the orls. They looked at the hammer like

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 2>that's good enough. Yeah, and then they stuffed eight hundred

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 2>and twenty five pounds in his backpack and he called

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:58.439
<v Speaker 2>it good okay, big successful first robber, one of his

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:01.639
<v Speaker 2>first robbery. That his confidence now is like you know,

0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 2>modern day Robinhood surges. He decides, I'm gonna now Robin

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:06.040
<v Speaker 2>actual bank.

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:08.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I got a baby steps job.

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, work your way up, so you know, you gotta

0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 2>walk before you run. So to hit the bankers, he

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:16.400
<v Speaker 2>broke in with his imitation gun, his outrageous blonde wig,

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:19.920
<v Speaker 2>his oversized dark sunglasses. He would move quick, no time

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 2>wasted like in the vaults. Nope, he just demanded money

0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 2>from the bank tellers, whatever they had in his drawers.

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Then he would be gone within ninety seconds and he's

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:30.000
<v Speaker 2>out right. So by the time the police arrived, there's

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:32.399
<v Speaker 2>just nothing but like, you know, whispers of who was

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:36.719
<v Speaker 2>just here? Who was that mask man? So his motos

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 2>operandi was to basically hit banks in the Midlands area

0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:42.040
<v Speaker 2>of the UK and yeah, there you go, and he

0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 2>would bust into a bank and a daring daytime stick up.

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:47.920
<v Speaker 2>He'd brandish a handgun, but don't worry, no one would

0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 2>ever or could get hurt since it was an imitation gun. Yeah, right,

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 2>So it's like unless you, you know, get shot with

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 2>a pellet. But the bank tellers they don't know this,

0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 2>so they would like, you know, like you no, exactly.

0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people haven't really seen a gun pointed

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:04.040
<v Speaker 2>at them. They don't know what a gun looks like

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 2>outside of a movie.

0:29:05.080 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 3>Imagine in crimes, you're not really anticipating having a gun

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 3>pulled on his whole knife crime.

0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and a lot of people don't really look at it.

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 2>They look at they could just all of a sudden

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:14.160
<v Speaker 2>look at the outline of the person, and part of

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 2>the outline is holding a gun. Yeah, so they would

0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 2>believe his make believe gun and then hidden behind his

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:22.800
<v Speaker 2>oversized dark sunglasses and his outrageous, ridiculous blonde wig. So

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 2>there is this stranger demanding the bank's money or else,

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 2>so they would give over whatever they had in their drawer.

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 2>And then after he fled with whatever money he could

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:33.800
<v Speaker 2>scare out of the bank tellers, they would report it

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.360
<v Speaker 2>to the local news that a man by himself, wearing

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 2>a comical blonde wig and giant dark sunglasses came in

0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:40.600
<v Speaker 2>and robbed the place.

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 3>It looks like JT. Leroy in my house.

0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, kind of So at first, like, you know, his

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:48.240
<v Speaker 2>disguise is getting most of the press, like they keep

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 2>talking about this ridiculous blonde wig, these crazy sunglasses because

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:54.600
<v Speaker 2>he keeps getting away with it. There's not much else

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 2>to write about. He's not getting cuts. They're like, well

0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:58.959
<v Speaker 2>do you looked? Like how crazy was the wig? So

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:01.040
<v Speaker 2>eventually though, the police in the UK, they make it

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:02.960
<v Speaker 2>their mission to like change that. They're like, we got

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:06.040
<v Speaker 2>to catch this guy, so they launch a nationwide.

0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 3>Man hunt for him.

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Stephen Jacklie. Remember he's a college tudent by day, robin

0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Hood by night. He could have focused his efforts directly

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:16.400
<v Speaker 2>on like charity work instead of being a Robinhood by night.

0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:18.560
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, nope, I need to rob these banks.

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 2>You know. It's like so it's based on his Robinhood obsession.

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 2>He decides like once he has some success, now he's like,

0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go bigger. So as here this is how

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 2>he explained it to the Sunday Mercury quote, banks, bookmakers,

0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 2>and building societies are icons of the current socioeconomic system.

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 2>There are more than just exchanges of money and legalized

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:41.200
<v Speaker 2>loan sharks. They were to me a legitimate target. So

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 2>he's getting like ginned up. He's firing himself up, like

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 2>he's now like the good guy of all, like a legend.

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 2>He's like Batman on one right, I'm punching you because

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 2>you're bad. You're like you've got anger issues, buddy, He's

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 2>not dealing with any of that, right, So you killed Eventually.

0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:00.200
<v Speaker 2>He writes in his diary at the time that he

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 2>had a goal that he would keep hitting banks and

0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 2>bookies until he was able to steal one hundred thousand pounds. Okay,

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 2>that's his goal. Once he amassed that one hundred thousand pounds,

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 2>this one man Robinhood charity organization would start his own

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 2>official organization, and then he donated all to charity. Oh

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 2>not all of it. He did donates sixty percent.

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 3>Wait, okay, so first of all, did he think through,

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:25.959
<v Speaker 3>how am I going to start an actual nonprofit organization?

0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 3>And where am I going to say this money came from?

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Not exactly. He figured he could do it international.

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:35.800
<v Speaker 3>And he's doing like the serious, like shady nonprofit of

0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 3>he for.

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Me, Yes, sixty percent for the effort, the administrative management.

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 2>You gotta pay for that. So his plan was he

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:48.160
<v Speaker 2>would establish a business that would then subsequently establish branches

0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 2>in foreign countries. And then yes, and he would give

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 2>out his money, his stolen proceeds to help combat food

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 2>insecurity in the so called Third World.

0:31:56.600 --> 0:31:58.400
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, as.

0:31:58.280 --> 0:31:59.959
<v Speaker 2>He wrote in his diary, he planned to donate, as

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:02.800
<v Speaker 2>I said, sixty percent to charity and the homeless, and

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 2>then forty percent to the Robin.

0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 3>Hood him sixty world peace.

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Has. He later explained, I could have easily been a

0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 2>person who's cycled to work and recycled, someone who did

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:18.480
<v Speaker 2>their best to save the planet. But no, I decided

0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 2>on a drastic, almost revolutionary course of action. It's so proud,

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:26.000
<v Speaker 2>he's so high on his own supply. So it's it's

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 2>much more fun to throw on an outrageous, comical blonde

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 2>wig than recycled and then.

0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 3>The bike in the rain. Yes, exactly, this is way

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 3>more fun.

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Give me them, Audrey, hepburn stunner shades. Let's do this,

0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 2>And so at one point he says, this is going

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 2>to sound crazy, but I marked the notes with an RH.

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:46.480
<v Speaker 2>So he's going around giving out stolen proceeds to homeless

0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 2>folks and then putting a little RH on it so

0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 2>people would know that.

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 3>He's already passing out bills like.

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Rolls of twenties to like homeless people.

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 3>That's eating away. It is one hundred k, yeah exactly.

0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:58.600
<v Speaker 2>But he wants to do it, you know, like he

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:02.120
<v Speaker 2>wants to gig. Yeah, all right away, book at the

0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 2>work I'm doing.

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:05.320
<v Speaker 3>But he's true, he doesn't want to be truly anonymous.

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:06.960
<v Speaker 3>He wants to put his little rh on there.

0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, you know, a person may start out with

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 2>high minded ethics, pure motivation, but then life dance again.

0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:17.080
<v Speaker 2>In this case, he made a mistake the kind anyone

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 2>pretending to be Robinhood could have made. I mean, it

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 2>was a very harmless mistake. You see, he got confused

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:22.880
<v Speaker 2>and he robbed the wrong place.

0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:25.840
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, that happens. It happens, is the best of us.

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Stephen Jackie remembered on one occasion, I burgled a premises

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 2>and it turned out to be a charity office, which

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:33.880
<v Speaker 2>I hadn't realized at the time. That was a nightmare.

0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:36.040
<v Speaker 2>So he robbed a charity.

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:38.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, he broke into an ox fan.

0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:41.680
<v Speaker 2>He's not taking the money from the people. He wants

0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:42.640
<v Speaker 2>to give the money to.

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, because he'll do better with it. He knows better everything.

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 2>The charity was next to a bank, and so he

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 2>broke into the charity, thinking he was breaking it to

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:52.920
<v Speaker 2>the bank, robbed it and he realized, oh that we

0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:55.280
<v Speaker 2>got outside, that it was the wrong building.

0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 3>Because it looks like a bank in the charity office.

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. He wasn't so to even the scales

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 2>of justice. Yeah, he decided he'd give the money back

0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 2>to the charity the like stolen. He didn't want to

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:09.719
<v Speaker 2>get caught because if he gave it immediately back, they're like,

0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:12.440
<v Speaker 2>this is exactly how much we have lost in the robbery.

0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:15.279
<v Speaker 2>Find out who gave us this. So let's get some

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:18.879
<v Speaker 2>c CCTV cameras working. So instead he's like, I need

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 2>to give it back to them in dribs and drabs.

0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:22.280
<v Speaker 3>So and.

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:27.800
<v Speaker 2>As he tells it, I gave the charity incremental sums,

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 2>starting with two hundred fifty pounds and eventually going up

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:32.040
<v Speaker 2>to seven hundred and fifty pounds. I was going to

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 2>keep increasing the mound until I reached to about twenty

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:35.440
<v Speaker 2>thousand pounds.

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:37.560
<v Speaker 3>I was going to but then what happened.

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 2>It didn't happen, Elizabeth. But if you're curious, how much

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:41.920
<v Speaker 2>did he manage to donate to the charity. Over his

0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 2>time as modern day Robin Hood, he donated two thousand pounds,

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:49.160
<v Speaker 2>which worked out to be about three thousand American dollars.

0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, yeah.

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:53.360
<v Speaker 2>He's like, although, altogether I donated around two thousand pounds

0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:55.840
<v Speaker 2>to charity, which doesn't sound like a lot, but my

0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:57.719
<v Speaker 2>intention was to donate.

0:34:57.520 --> 0:35:02.319
<v Speaker 3>More, it doesn't. That's okay, Yeah, to keep things what

0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:06.080
<v Speaker 3>they say about the road to hell, yeah, like bricked lined,

0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:08.920
<v Speaker 3>paved with them, so to keep things square un fair.

0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Over the four months that he was hitting banks and

0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:13.920
<v Speaker 2>bookies in towns like Wooster and Herefordshire and Exeter in

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:16.840
<v Speaker 2>his hometown of Devon, Steve and Jacklie managed to steal

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:20.319
<v Speaker 2>eleven thousand pounds, far short of his goal of one

0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:26.280
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand pounds, but that ain't nothing, and he donated

0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 2>two thousand of that. And now if you're curious how

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:32.160
<v Speaker 2>much that works out to be, that is not sixty percent, No, no,

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:34.920
<v Speaker 2>that is is far from it. That is about eighteen percent.

0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:38.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, he's also missing the mark on that. You know

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 3>he's aiming high. Yeah, he means he's shooting for the

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 3>stars and landing in the dust bin.

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:45.920
<v Speaker 2>He did keep up, though, with his Robinhood fantasy, because

0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:49.160
<v Speaker 2>even if he wasn't hitting his real world goals. At

0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 2>one point, as the press covered his crimes and he

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 2>remained this unknown figure, a dangerous wanted man if you will,

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:56.760
<v Speaker 2>he stoked the flames of his status as an outlaw

0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 2>folk hero by writing a letter to the local newspaper

0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 2>like it's me. I'm the one, and this is what

0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I think. At one point in the letter says I

0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 2>will continue to take from the rich and give to

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:11.960
<v Speaker 2>the poor. And he signed the letter, what ourh.

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:12.279
<v Speaker 3>That's more Zodiac than Robinhood.

0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 2>He also when he would rob banks, he would walk

0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:18.280
<v Speaker 2>up to the teller, right, so he just wants whatever

0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 2>they have, so he would fill out or withdraw slip.

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 2>That said, paying out slip account holder rob.

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Hood, Oh stop it, he's so pleased with him.

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 2>His plans to donate his stolen proceeds to charity kind

0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:34.360
<v Speaker 2>of fell by the wayside. Instead, he began to fantasize

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:36.719
<v Speaker 2>about getting his hands on a real gun so he

0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:39.400
<v Speaker 2>can do some real bank robbery. He's like, I'm going

0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:40.759
<v Speaker 2>to invest in some hardware.

0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, he's going to pick up some World War

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:45.440
<v Speaker 3>two revolver.

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, he was so far from his one hundred thousand

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 2>pound goal. He's like, I need to get bigger. I

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:52.799
<v Speaker 2>can't wear more outrageous outfit. My wig is not going

0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:55.880
<v Speaker 2>to do anything for me. I need a hand cannon.

0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:58.839
<v Speaker 2>So exactly, well, you know he had a pellic gun.

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 2>He's like, what do I I need? Maybe if I

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:02.720
<v Speaker 2>scared them more, they would give me more, Like without

0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:05.880
<v Speaker 2>going into the vault. Brother, he ain't getting much more anyway.

0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:08.439
<v Speaker 2>At this point, time is still on his side because

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:11.960
<v Speaker 2>the police in the UK have no idea who he is.

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:14.480
<v Speaker 2>His stunner shades in his wig game have been working

0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 2>beautifully for him. He's just known that as this new

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 2>outlaw folk here, Robinhood want to be that's bouncing around

0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:23.239
<v Speaker 2>robbing anything he can't. They have a working theory that

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:25.480
<v Speaker 2>it's this Robinhood, but that's it. I don't have any

0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:27.279
<v Speaker 2>idea of like what worre sholl we look what town

0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:27.759
<v Speaker 2>is he in?

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:28.120
<v Speaker 4>Right?

0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 2>He leaves no clues to his identity. He has nothing

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:33.399
<v Speaker 2>that as a trail that would lead back to him.

0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:35.800
<v Speaker 2>But if we're being honest, it would only be a

0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 2>matter of time until he got caught because by now

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 2>he's addicted to playing Robin Hood. He's separating from reality,

0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:46.640
<v Speaker 2>he's untethering himself. Plus he could see that he was

0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:49.399
<v Speaker 2>not the ethical criminal he wanted to be, So he's

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:52.759
<v Speaker 2>having an internal fight there as well. Sure, so let's

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:54.960
<v Speaker 2>take a little break, Elizabeth, and after these messages, I'll

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:57.720
<v Speaker 2>tell you how everything goes sideways for my man. Pretend

0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Robin Hood. We're back, Elizabeth, We're back, Saron. How you

0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 2>enjoying the tales? You ready to hear how he got

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:28.480
<v Speaker 2>himself jacked up? I well, let's do this like like

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:32.960
<v Speaker 2>like Caesar got done by Brutus. Remember how I told

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 2>you Stephen Jacklie had a diagnosis of having Asperger syndrome. Well,

0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:40.879
<v Speaker 2>that would come somewhat into play for how and why

0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:44.440
<v Speaker 2>he was eventually busted. An interview after the fact, Stephen

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:48.160
<v Speaker 2>Jacklie addressed how his Asperger's diagnosis affected his life in crime.

0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 2>And there have been studies about people who are on

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 2>the spectrum doing crime and how it affected them and

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:54.920
<v Speaker 2>why I have driven them there.

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 3>And it's interesting you mentioned this because I know two

0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:00.360
<v Speaker 3>different people who had And now I think asked Burgers

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:03.880
<v Speaker 3>isn't really a diagnosis that's put onto the spectrum.

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, from what I understand.

0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but they were both like at the time, diagnosed

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:10.759
<v Speaker 3>with it, and they each independently have this almost like

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:14.120
<v Speaker 3>Robin Hood's sensibility of like for the greater good and

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:16.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to take on like the bad guys. And

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:19.839
<v Speaker 3>in some cases it's like this hero kind of thing

0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 3>of like I'm going to step in on the street

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:25.200
<v Speaker 3>if I see someone being wrong totally, you know, it's

0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:28.320
<v Speaker 3>fascinating and it's a good quality to have.

0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 2>The scales of justice are very forward in their mind.

0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:33.920
<v Speaker 2>It's just like front and center. Yes, So when he

0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:36.359
<v Speaker 2>was asked point blank about Asperger's and if it played

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:38.040
<v Speaker 2>a role in his crime career and his choice to

0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:41.120
<v Speaker 2>become a real life Robinhood exactly said, it certainly played

0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:43.680
<v Speaker 2>a role in so far as my inability to understand

0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:46.799
<v Speaker 2>the effects of my actions upon others. I didn't thought

0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:49.560
<v Speaker 2>about that part. Yeah, in the abstract, he wanted to

0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:51.960
<v Speaker 2>be an outlaw folk hero, right. In the short term,

0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:54.520
<v Speaker 2>it meant he had trouble seeing how his actions affected others,

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 2>say emotionally, he didn't connect to like the terror in

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:00.680
<v Speaker 2>their faces, being like real terror of them. It was

0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:02.520
<v Speaker 2>just like part of the gig, like, of course you're scared.

0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:04.600
<v Speaker 2>I've got my gun in your face. He's not not

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:06.960
<v Speaker 2>thinking about of course you're scared.

0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:09.759
<v Speaker 3>And they're not because they're not expressing it explicitly to him.

0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he said, quote, if I didn't have that,

0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:17.279
<v Speaker 2>I think I would have had a better understood the

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 2>emotional impact on people. Right. So I thought that was

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:22.799
<v Speaker 2>just an interesting point. But as for the greater good

0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 2>that he planned to do with his organization, that Scales

0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:27.920
<v Speaker 2>of Justice part his looted funds, he never actually got

0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:30.279
<v Speaker 2>around to that. The organization never came out to be.

0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 3>He never got to thought I was going to cut

0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:35.479
<v Speaker 3>a check.

0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 2>The only money he gave to charity was some rolled

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:40.319
<v Speaker 2>up bank notes, and he gave to the homeless folks

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:43.319
<v Speaker 2>in the area full of cook with the rh Right.

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Then there was the money he gave back to the

0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:49.040
<v Speaker 2>charity that he actually broke into, and that was it. Yeah,

0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:52.239
<v Speaker 2>he just gave back some money, he's told me, gave

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:55.839
<v Speaker 2>some homeless guys some like walking around cash. Meanwhile, though,

0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 2>he went on pursuing his Robinhood fantasy, and he dreamed

0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:00.080
<v Speaker 2>of being able to carry out his future robberies had

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:02.280
<v Speaker 2>him to his hundred grund goal. And then he obviously,

0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:04.840
<v Speaker 2>like I said, he needed a real gun. They no

0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:08.160
<v Speaker 2>more pretend pistols, no pet guns look convincing. He wanted

0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:11.200
<v Speaker 2>the real deal, like you know, something like Schwartzenegger or

0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:15.160
<v Speaker 2>stallone eighties exactly in the UK. That'd be very difficult, right,

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:17.880
<v Speaker 2>But Stephen Jackie knew where they did sell guns to

0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:20.799
<v Speaker 2>practically anyone who walked into a gun store, That's right,

0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 2>the good old us of.

0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:24.680
<v Speaker 3>A Yeah, sure, so come on down.

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.120
<v Speaker 2>He used some of his stolen loot to buy himself

0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:28.759
<v Speaker 2>a ticket to America to.

0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 3>Buy to bring it back.

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:34.480
<v Speaker 2>It was an investment, Elizabeth, So Steven he was going

0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:37.480
<v Speaker 2>to smuggle a gun back into England. Coincidentally, he chose

0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:40.520
<v Speaker 2>to fly over to New England to do his gun shopping. Well,

0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:42.800
<v Speaker 2>he went from Old England to New England and he's like,

0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 2>how do I get a gun? This would turn out

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:47.400
<v Speaker 2>to be a fateful trip for Stephen Jackey. Rather than

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:49.600
<v Speaker 2>me tell you about it, Elizabeth, I'd like you to

0:41:49.640 --> 0:42:02.640
<v Speaker 2>close your eyes closed to picture It's a lovely day

0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:05.920
<v Speaker 2>in may and Waterbury, Vermont, and you've been enjoying it immensely.

0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:08.279
<v Speaker 2>You began your day drinking from a drop of dew

0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:11.000
<v Speaker 2>nestled in a flour blossom, and after that you spent

0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:14.000
<v Speaker 2>your mid morning hours finding the perfect blade of grass.

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:16.000
<v Speaker 2>You wanted to find a spot that would allow you

0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 2>an easy jump at some lunch. You finally settled on

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:20.920
<v Speaker 2>a tall blade of switchgrass near to the parking lot

0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 2>of a gun shop in small towns Vermont. Now you

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:25.719
<v Speaker 2>sit and wait for a hot meal to pass by.

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Any mammal will do, since you are a blood drinking tick,

0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:32.040
<v Speaker 2>a deer tick, to be specific. As you wait for

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:34.879
<v Speaker 2>lunch to go ambling by, you hear a promising sound.

0:42:34.920 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 2>A car has parked near to where you linger on

0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:40.520
<v Speaker 2>that blade of grass. You hear the door open, A

0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:43.719
<v Speaker 2>footsteps out and scratches at the gravel of the gun

0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:47.359
<v Speaker 2>shop parking lot. You spot your lunch, You time your jump,

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:50.000
<v Speaker 2>and just as the young man walks past the switch

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:52.640
<v Speaker 2>grass there at the edge of the parking lot, you leap,

0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:55.560
<v Speaker 2>and you land not on flesh, but on his pantlet.

0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:57.800
<v Speaker 2>No bother. You can scurry about until you find some

0:42:57.920 --> 0:43:00.799
<v Speaker 2>warm flesh to feast on. Meanwhile, while the young man

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:04.440
<v Speaker 2>hustles into Paro's gun shop, that's the name of the place,

0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:07.839
<v Speaker 2>Paro's Gun Shop. The door swings open and you're met

0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:11.440
<v Speaker 2>by a blast of cool, cold, air conditioned air. The

0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 2>place has a musty smell and an overwhelming odor of

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:17.919
<v Speaker 2>gun oil. As you cling to the young man's pant leg,

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 2>you cross the gun shop. The young man stops at

0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:23.600
<v Speaker 2>a glass display case of handguns. There's all manner of

0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:27.239
<v Speaker 2>firearms that compete for his attention. Meanwhile, you work your

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:30.200
<v Speaker 2>way down his pant leg, hoping he's wearing low socks.

0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:32.839
<v Speaker 2>There's only a couple other folks in the rural gun store.

0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:35.520
<v Speaker 2>The owner of the gun shop walks over. He asks

0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:37.799
<v Speaker 2>the young man what he's looking for, and that's when

0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:40.919
<v Speaker 2>you both hear it his English accent. Although it sounds

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:42.759
<v Speaker 2>like he's trying to do an American accent, it's just

0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:46.720
<v Speaker 2>really bad, and his natural English accent shines through, especially

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 2>on the vowels. The young man says he's looking for

0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:52.360
<v Speaker 2>a real big handgun, something to scare a home intruder.

0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 2>But when he says it, it sounds like the word

0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:57.680
<v Speaker 2>rhymes with Buddha, a home intruder. It sounds to your

0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:00.480
<v Speaker 2>tiny ears like the gun store owner is a immediately

0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:03.200
<v Speaker 2>suspicious of this Englishman looking to buy an American gun

0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:06.800
<v Speaker 2>while using a terrible American accent. You pause at around

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:10.360
<v Speaker 2>mid ankle, frustrated to find he's wearing thick, tall wool

0:44:10.480 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 2>hiking socks. As you gather the energy to traverse a

0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:16.359
<v Speaker 2>thick woolen sock, you hear the gun store owner ask

0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:19.200
<v Speaker 2>the young man, what do you need the gun for.

0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:22.520
<v Speaker 2>He has the suspicious tone of a cop, which makes

0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 2>sense since he's a retired police officer. The young man

0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:27.439
<v Speaker 2>says he's made one hundred pound bet that he could

0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:30.320
<v Speaker 2>not buy a gun in Waterbury. He quickly corrects himself,

0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:33.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean one hundred and fifty dollar bet. Yes, dollars

0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:36.399
<v Speaker 2>US dollars. The gun store owner asks if the young

0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 2>man has any ID on him. The young man says,

0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:42.279
<v Speaker 2>I should do, but the R sounds is all wrong.

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:45.239
<v Speaker 2>It sounds like he's swallowing the R. Even though you're

0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:48.080
<v Speaker 2>just a hungry tick looking for some lunch. You wait

0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:50.319
<v Speaker 2>to hear how this all plays out. The young man

0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:53.279
<v Speaker 2>hands over his state ID. The gun store owner gives

0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:55.960
<v Speaker 2>it the once over. The way he sighs and his

0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:59.320
<v Speaker 2>breathing changes, you can tell his suspicions are growing. You

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 2>hear the guns st owner say, well, let me phone

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:04.359
<v Speaker 2>in your ID to check it in. As long as

0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:06.279
<v Speaker 2>it clears with the state, we can get you a

0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:09.439
<v Speaker 2>handgun today. Now it's the young man's turn. He sort

0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:12.799
<v Speaker 2>of stammers and says, all righty again. The r sound

0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:15.560
<v Speaker 2>just doesn't sound right. The gun store owner walks off

0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:17.719
<v Speaker 2>to use the phone. Although you can't hear it, he

0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:21.080
<v Speaker 2>calls the police. The young man did hear it and

0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:23.439
<v Speaker 2>has heard enough. He senses that the gun store owner

0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:25.520
<v Speaker 2>is on to him, so he makes a break for it.

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:28.239
<v Speaker 2>He runs out of the gun shop, shoves open the door.

0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:30.600
<v Speaker 2>You cling on for dear life as he sprints across

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:32.960
<v Speaker 2>the parking lot back to his car. He slides back

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:35.560
<v Speaker 2>into the driver's seat, shuts the door, starts the car

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:37.920
<v Speaker 2>in his hastey to get away. He floors it in

0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:41.120
<v Speaker 2>reverse and slams into another park shop, probably the gun

0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:44.440
<v Speaker 2>store owner's car. He changes gears as you grip tight

0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:46.919
<v Speaker 2>to the wool sock. The young man mashes his foot

0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:50.239
<v Speaker 2>down on the gas pedal. The car tears off, peeling out.

0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:53.200
<v Speaker 2>The young man narrowly avoids traffic as he pulls out

0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:55.839
<v Speaker 2>onto the road a car that he just misses gives

0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:59.000
<v Speaker 2>an irritated hank to the horn. You wonder where you

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:01.680
<v Speaker 2>and this young man are now headed. You get an

0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:05.520
<v Speaker 2>answer quickly, and the answer is not very far. About

0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:08.560
<v Speaker 2>a mile down the road, police sireens sound and as

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:11.120
<v Speaker 2>they give chase, the young man in the now smashed

0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:13.600
<v Speaker 2>up rental car pulls over to the side of the road.

0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:17.239
<v Speaker 2>He failed to get his gun. Instead, looks like he's

0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:20.840
<v Speaker 2>going to get a nice, cool jail cell all to himself.

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:24.439
<v Speaker 2>The local small town Vermont police tell him to step

0:46:24.520 --> 0:46:27.440
<v Speaker 2>out of the car. He obliges, and you jump off

0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:31.040
<v Speaker 2>his sock and decide to find a less dramatic lunch.

0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:35.160
<v Speaker 2>My god, so there you go, Elizabeth. The Ballad of

0:46:35.239 --> 0:46:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Robinhood Junior getting nabbed in America, goes to a gun

0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 2>star with a fake ID, tries to buy a gun,

0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:44.399
<v Speaker 2>says it's for a bet with somebody. The gun owner

0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:47.040
<v Speaker 2>is like, what are you talking about, right, and he's like, no,

0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:49.359
<v Speaker 2>it's right, just right. I would just give me a gun.

0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:51.600
<v Speaker 2>One are the big ones. And then they's like, hey,

0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:53.680
<v Speaker 2>let me just call it. And then it didn't take

0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:55.680
<v Speaker 2>a long They got nothing to do in Waterbury.

0:46:56.520 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I've never purchased a gun, but I would

0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:00.680
<v Speaker 3>think that if I needed to do it under the radar.

0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:04.799
<v Speaker 3>It's my understanding that it's looser at gun shows. Yes, yes,

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:07.560
<v Speaker 3>And I wouldn't have gone into a gun shop like

0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:08.560
<v Speaker 3>a pawn shop.

0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they don't care as much, but like gun shows

0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:12.480
<v Speaker 2>are the thing.

0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:14.640
<v Speaker 3>That's the shows are the thing, and you just rock

0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:16.360
<v Speaker 3>The English accents say you you.

0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:17.280
<v Speaker 2>Know you're a collector.

0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:19.880
<v Speaker 3>You've moved here, or you're a collector you've lived here.

0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:20.440
<v Speaker 2>I like that too.

0:47:20.560 --> 0:47:21.160
<v Speaker 3>I live here now.

0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm very scared of all your urban people.

0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:25.319
<v Speaker 3>You people are terrifying. You're not right in the head,

0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 3>not one of you. And so I need to protect

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:32.480
<v Speaker 3>myself or you know, go somewhere in Europe and get

0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:34.719
<v Speaker 3>one from like a he tried.

0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:37.840
<v Speaker 2>He tried getting guns in He went up to Birmingham

0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:39.600
<v Speaker 2>to get a gun and like it didn't work out.

0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:43.319
<v Speaker 2>I think I couldn't get all the details on that part,

0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 2>but I think he did. He got jacked cash some

0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:52.319
<v Speaker 2>geezer like Robin Hood. They used knife crime on him

0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:55.280
<v Speaker 2>for his fake gun. So once he was in police custody,

0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:57.880
<v Speaker 2>the offers pat down Stephen Jacklee. They frisk him to

0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:00.359
<v Speaker 2>check his wallet. They discover his student ID card from

0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:02.440
<v Speaker 2>the University of Wooster. So now the cops know that

0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:04.880
<v Speaker 2>they're dealing with an Englishman and not a local, so

0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 2>they interview, or if you prefer, interrogate the suspects. Jacklee

0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:11.080
<v Speaker 2>tells the Vermont detectives that he was just trying to

0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:13.360
<v Speaker 2>buy a gun to win one hundred pound bet, I

0:48:13.400 --> 0:48:16.400
<v Speaker 2>mean one hundred and fifty dollars, And the Vermont detectors

0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:18.600
<v Speaker 2>are like, how much was that bet? And it's like,

0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:20.759
<v Speaker 2>I said, one hundred and twenty five US dollars. I

0:48:20.800 --> 0:48:22.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know what's exchange rate these days. So the cops

0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:24.480
<v Speaker 2>were like, right, right, sure you do, So go on,

0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:26.160
<v Speaker 2>tell us about this gun you wanted to buy. And

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:28.080
<v Speaker 2>he repeats the same story, and then when he's done,

0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:31.040
<v Speaker 2>the Vermont detectives were like, so about these notes we

0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:33.720
<v Speaker 2>found in your pockets and in your diary that outline

0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:35.799
<v Speaker 2>plants for bank robberies. What's the story there?

0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:38.800
<v Speaker 3>Wait, he went on the trip and brought all of

0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 3>his criming notes with you.

0:48:40.680 --> 0:48:42.520
<v Speaker 2>He's got a ton of diaries, you know how, I

0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:44.840
<v Speaker 2>got like a lot of note pats. But he's got that,

0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:47.799
<v Speaker 2>so he would just jot down par light for this thing.

0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Well he's on the plane, he's like jotting down somebody,

0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:51.000
<v Speaker 2>you know if I go into.

0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:53.520
<v Speaker 3>Yes, there's a time of the place.

0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. So, as one would say, legally speaking, the

0:48:56.680 --> 0:49:00.799
<v Speaker 2>suspect was now screwed. Yeah, that's After talking the detectives,

0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:03.920
<v Speaker 2>they charge them with leaving the scene of an accident

0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:07.360
<v Speaker 2>and then trying to buy a gun without proper paperwork

0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:09.480
<v Speaker 2>or something. I don't know exactly the charge in Vermont,

0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:11.640
<v Speaker 2>but they get on the phone to the FBI, right

0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:14.400
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, yo, should we call the ATF We

0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:16.160
<v Speaker 2>call you guys. We got this kid who's over here

0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:17.920
<v Speaker 2>trying to buy a gun, trying to smuggle back into

0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:20.319
<v Speaker 2>the UK. And then also he's got like a bunch

0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:23.800
<v Speaker 2>of fake id's and a bunch of bank robbery paperwork,

0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:25.880
<v Speaker 2>but it looks like it's for the UK. So the

0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:28.080
<v Speaker 2>FBI they reach out to police in the UK and

0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:30.680
<v Speaker 2>they tell the Bobby's back in England about this crazy

0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:33.760
<v Speaker 2>kid with all these notes about robbing banks, Like apparently

0:49:33.840 --> 0:49:36.520
<v Speaker 2>he's a student at a University of Worcester and they're like,

0:49:36.560 --> 0:49:39.080
<v Speaker 2>woo Street, you're right, yeah, okay, so then they go

0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:42.640
<v Speaker 2>over and then they check, right, the UK cops, so

0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:46.520
<v Speaker 2>actually the West Mercia police. Okay, they take a business

0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:48.400
<v Speaker 2>trip over to the student housing and they search his

0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:51.399
<v Speaker 2>flat and that's where the police find a ridiculous blonde wig,

0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Audrey Hepburn, dark sunglasses, knives, a hammer, detailed notes outlining

0:49:57.000 --> 0:50:00.239
<v Speaker 2>his plans for future bank robberies, as a as a

0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:04.920
<v Speaker 2>cat named Detective Inspector Fox of the UK reported it

0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:07.799
<v Speaker 2>to local reporters. We were made aware of Jackie win

0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:11.200
<v Speaker 2>FBO officers dealing with him for firearms offenses, including attempting

0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:13.480
<v Speaker 2>to buy a gun in America, recovered a diary from

0:50:13.560 --> 0:50:16.040
<v Speaker 2>him which suggested he may have committed offenses in the UK.

0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:19.239
<v Speaker 2>We then conducted searches at his Wooster University residents and

0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:23.400
<v Speaker 2>premises in London. As Devin and Cornwall Constabulary searched his

0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:26.640
<v Speaker 2>home and dress, items were recovered that linked Jacklee to

0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:31.920
<v Speaker 2>numerous offenses including replica guns, knives, botta Clava's demand notes,

0:50:32.239 --> 0:50:35.560
<v Speaker 2>disguises and of course has written notes in diaries detailing

0:50:35.920 --> 0:50:36.680
<v Speaker 2>his offending.

0:50:37.880 --> 0:50:40.960
<v Speaker 3>So they find just a cache of evidence amazing.

0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:43.640
<v Speaker 2>For instance, in his crime diary, one of his entries

0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:46.160
<v Speaker 2>recorded his attempt to buy a gun. As I said,

0:50:46.200 --> 0:50:48.040
<v Speaker 2>back in England, he took a trip to Birmingham. He

0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:50.480
<v Speaker 2>had seven hundred and fifty pounds on him, and then

0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:52.600
<v Speaker 2>once he tried to get the gun, he would head

0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:55.520
<v Speaker 2>over to a bank, kidnap the staff and rob the place.

0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:57.640
<v Speaker 2>But he wasn't able to get the gun. And I

0:50:57.680 --> 0:50:59.959
<v Speaker 2>think at your point is he got jack for the seven.

0:51:01.040 --> 0:51:03.239
<v Speaker 3>So he then went home and journaled it out. Yeah.

0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he wrote down therapy he went to, Yeah, and

0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:08.799
<v Speaker 2>then when he went to America, he also journaled all

0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:10.399
<v Speaker 2>of that, like I'm going to go to this gun

0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:11.960
<v Speaker 2>store and I'm going to buy a gun and it's

0:51:11.960 --> 0:51:14.800
<v Speaker 2>going to look like this. He either wrote about the

0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:17.120
<v Speaker 2>stuff he had done, stuff he was going to do,

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:19.880
<v Speaker 2>stuff he wanted to do. It was all there. They

0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:22.480
<v Speaker 2>had all of it right. And also, by the way,

0:51:22.520 --> 0:51:25.200
<v Speaker 2>when the cops were searching his dorm, his student housing,

0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:28.680
<v Speaker 2>they found a homemade bomb. Oh yeah, but it was fake.

0:51:28.840 --> 0:51:31.520
<v Speaker 2>It was something that Jackie said was the result of

0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:33.640
<v Speaker 2>the fact he was I was drunk and high when

0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:35.719
<v Speaker 2>I decided to keep it in my room. I don't

0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:37.719
<v Speaker 2>know if it sounded like he was a homemade bomb

0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:40.200
<v Speaker 2>he made and not like a World War two munitions

0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:44.480
<v Speaker 2>that he liked. Yes, fake, yeah, was it like the

0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:46.880
<v Speaker 2>But the West Mercy of Police didn't know that. When

0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:49.000
<v Speaker 2>they see it, it looks totally it was like.

0:51:49.320 --> 0:51:53.799
<v Speaker 3>Three empty toilet paper rolls like duct taped together within

0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:56.040
<v Speaker 3>like some speaker wire coming out of it.

0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:58.080
<v Speaker 2>That'd be amazing, But I think it was more like

0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:00.120
<v Speaker 2>one of those like crock pots, you.

0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:03.720
<v Speaker 3>Know, like cooker preussure cooker like legit.

0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly like Boston Marathon style.

0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:09.360
<v Speaker 3>I think it's like he pulled a key pad off.

0:52:09.239 --> 0:52:14.719
<v Speaker 2>Of that would be good, like a cartoon character to

0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:16.760
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of like fake dynamite.

0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:19.120
<v Speaker 3>A couple of bottle like plastic bottles of.

0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Some road flares. So yeah, well, the West Mercy of

0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Police they had to evacuate the area, calling the bomb squad,

0:52:25.760 --> 0:52:28.360
<v Speaker 2>and the students living in the Wyvern and Bread and

0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:31.560
<v Speaker 2>blocks of flats which are on the campus were evacuated

0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:34.360
<v Speaker 2>for more than five hours and the Explosive Ordinance Disposal

0:52:34.560 --> 0:52:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Unit was called in. So after it's all settled and

0:52:37.719 --> 0:52:40.400
<v Speaker 2>done with the fake bomb, the UK police they go

0:52:40.520 --> 0:52:42.840
<v Speaker 2>into Jacquie's place. They harvest all the evidence and this

0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:45.200
<v Speaker 2>is all the evidence they need to solve the case

0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:49.880
<v Speaker 2>of the Robin Hood Bandit well done, so they have

0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:52.000
<v Speaker 2>all the evidence they need on them. Right, it's a

0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:55.759
<v Speaker 2>case open and now case immediately close. So it's just

0:52:55.880 --> 0:52:58.359
<v Speaker 2>page after page of diary notes from the crime career

0:52:58.440 --> 0:52:59.719
<v Speaker 2>of the modern day Robin Hood.

0:52:59.800 --> 0:52:59.920
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:03.640
<v Speaker 2>So at this point, now before the UK can get

0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:06.480
<v Speaker 2>justice and take him to trial, the folks in the

0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:08.560
<v Speaker 2>US were like, no, no, he's here. We want to

0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:11.880
<v Speaker 2>get our taste of justice first. So the US refuses

0:53:11.960 --> 0:53:14.759
<v Speaker 2>to send him back to the England. Right, America wants

0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:18.080
<v Speaker 2>some American justice for trying to buy a gun in Vermont,

0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:21.759
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth even do it, No, but he tried. That's good enough.

0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:25.160
<v Speaker 2>So his trial he goes. They take him to Vermont's

0:53:25.160 --> 0:53:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Southern State Correctional Facility and he arrived right with the

0:53:28.400 --> 0:53:32.279
<v Speaker 2>like the reputation of this master criminal. So at that point,

0:53:32.520 --> 0:53:36.359
<v Speaker 2>the head of security for this place, Mark putanis he said,

0:53:36.480 --> 0:53:38.960
<v Speaker 2>I was told that he had very sophisticated abilities and

0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:41.239
<v Speaker 2>that escape should be at the forefront of my mind

0:53:41.320 --> 0:53:44.319
<v Speaker 2>when dealing with him. He was considered such an escape risk.

0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:46.719
<v Speaker 2>There were very few prisoners we worried about to the

0:53:46.760 --> 0:53:49.560
<v Speaker 2>extent that we worried about him. He was basically on lockdown.

0:53:49.680 --> 0:53:51.239
<v Speaker 3>Wait where did they get that?

0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Because of his diaries? His plans were so elaborate, he's

0:53:55.160 --> 0:53:58.440
<v Speaker 2>so like self aggrandizing. They're like, there must be a

0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:02.520
<v Speaker 2>master criminal. He's real good. So this point, now Stephen

0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:05.240
<v Speaker 2>Jacklie gets to know the FBI, so they keep showing

0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:06.920
<v Speaker 2>up trying to get him to talk, like where'd you

0:54:07.000 --> 0:54:08.440
<v Speaker 2>learn all this? Are you part of like a major

0:54:08.520 --> 0:54:13.000
<v Speaker 2>international organization? Who was the organization you're talking about? So

0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:15.960
<v Speaker 2>this one guy, specially Agent Scott Murray, right, he had

0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:17.840
<v Speaker 2>met him the day he was arrested in May of

0:54:17.880 --> 0:54:20.520
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and eight, and so he then becomes like

0:54:20.600 --> 0:54:23.680
<v Speaker 2>his point person. So he's visiting him in prison. And

0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:25.319
<v Speaker 2>the way he put it is, I do a lot

0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:28.480
<v Speaker 2>than devolves firearms and explosives. Every case is different, but

0:54:28.560 --> 0:54:30.879
<v Speaker 2>this one is memorable. I guess that's just the best

0:54:30.920 --> 0:54:33.520
<v Speaker 2>way to put it. Like everyone was just so geeked

0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:37.240
<v Speaker 2>by this Robin Hood, who's a master international criminal apparently,

0:54:38.120 --> 0:54:40.760
<v Speaker 2>So imagine him this in this interrogation room at Vermont's

0:54:40.760 --> 0:54:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Southern State Correctional Facility. And now we got special Agent

0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Scott Murray sitting across the desk from this twenty two

0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:49.160
<v Speaker 2>year old former geography student turned international man of mystery

0:54:49.600 --> 0:54:53.520
<v Speaker 2>with an Interpol warrant, right he would he would explain

0:54:53.560 --> 0:54:56.000
<v Speaker 2>to the college kid from Mooster who the FBI were,

0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:57.640
<v Speaker 2>what they did for a living, because he hasn't known

0:54:57.640 --> 0:54:58.920
<v Speaker 2>any of this, he's not from America.

0:54:58.960 --> 0:55:00.799
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I think I see a lot American team.

0:55:00.920 --> 0:55:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, He's like, are you guys like the Federal I

0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:05.400
<v Speaker 2>don't know how this is like a thing, yeah, like

0:55:05.440 --> 0:55:07.719
<v Speaker 2>what are we doing here? So, especially Agent Murray then

0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:10.240
<v Speaker 2>drops copies of all the evidence they have against Jacklie.

0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:13.600
<v Speaker 2>So they're photocopies primarily of his crime diary, and then

0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:15.920
<v Speaker 2>there was additional journals from his student housing back in

0:55:15.960 --> 0:55:18.640
<v Speaker 2>the UK that they like faxed over, So they're all

0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:20.839
<v Speaker 2>the detailed plans for the bank robbery. So he's trying

0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:22.839
<v Speaker 2>to get him to talk, like you know, it's open up,

0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:25.359
<v Speaker 2>maybe like get you some justice. So there's all sorts

0:55:25.400 --> 0:55:28.719
<v Speaker 2>of strange series of numbers and dates and coded language.

0:55:28.760 --> 0:55:30.880
<v Speaker 2>They're like, is this like how you communicate with your

0:55:30.920 --> 0:55:34.040
<v Speaker 2>international cabal and like So it turns out that no,

0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:37.440
<v Speaker 2>it was just him eventually he drops this. He does

0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:39.560
<v Speaker 2>like a like I don't know, imagine like a Pirouet turn.

0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:41.239
<v Speaker 2>He's like, oh, here you go, and what about this

0:55:41.480 --> 0:55:44.040
<v Speaker 2>last one? And he drops the photo copy that he'd

0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:46.759
<v Speaker 2>received from his you know, colleagues overseas. It's a photocopy

0:55:46.800 --> 0:55:48.680
<v Speaker 2>of a British bank note and scribbled on it were

0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:52.400
<v Speaker 2>just two letters r H. And he's like, what is this?

0:55:52.560 --> 0:55:54.399
<v Speaker 2>What is this all about? This is a code name,

0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:57.040
<v Speaker 2>because like they were still like, you know, the UK

0:55:57.160 --> 0:55:59.200
<v Speaker 2>cops were fairly certain it was Robin Hood, but they

0:55:59.520 --> 0:56:01.440
<v Speaker 2>he had not said it, he'd not confirmed it, so

0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:04.040
<v Speaker 2>they wanted confirmation. So Special Agent Murray's like, what does

0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:06.600
<v Speaker 2>this mean? R H? And Jackie looked at him and

0:56:06.640 --> 0:56:11.040
<v Speaker 2>he's like, Robin Hood or as I prefer, rob Hood.

0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:13.160
<v Speaker 3>And they are just like such a door.

0:56:13.880 --> 0:56:16.799
<v Speaker 2>So no matter. He couldn't crack this kid's edifice though,

0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:19.919
<v Speaker 2>because he wouldn't, he would not talk at all. He said,

0:56:20.000 --> 0:56:21.880
<v Speaker 2>I never felt I got a scope of who he is.

0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:25.000
<v Speaker 2>So once he's done, he uh with you know, his

0:56:25.160 --> 0:56:29.280
<v Speaker 2>early interrogations. He gets tried, convicted, He does ten months

0:56:29.360 --> 0:56:30.640
<v Speaker 2>stretch in federal.

0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:34.560
<v Speaker 3>Prison, federal prison, and for what were the guard.

0:56:34.440 --> 0:56:36.600
<v Speaker 2>For the attempting to buy a gun. I don't know

0:56:36.719 --> 0:56:38.560
<v Speaker 2>why this is such a big deal. But also then

0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:41.439
<v Speaker 2>obviously running from the place the high speed car chase

0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:46.359
<v Speaker 2>into a gun store owner's car. I mean they tacked

0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:49.840
<v Speaker 2>him together. Right, So, as Jackie put it, it was terrible,

0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:51.920
<v Speaker 2>no other worst to describe it. It was the worst experience.

0:56:52.000 --> 0:56:54.759
<v Speaker 2>My relationship with fellow prisoners was really difficult because of

0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:57.839
<v Speaker 2>my aspergers. I find it difficult to get on with people.

0:56:58.080 --> 0:57:01.279
<v Speaker 2>The fact I was moved to about twenty prisons didn't help,

0:57:01.960 --> 0:57:04.719
<v Speaker 2>So I think, let's say that's an exaggeration, right, Let's

0:57:04.719 --> 0:57:11.200
<v Speaker 2>say it was ten prisons in ten months. So after

0:57:11.280 --> 0:57:14.200
<v Speaker 2>his two of America's finest federal facilities the law back

0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:15.799
<v Speaker 2>in the UK, they get their hands on the Robin

0:57:15.840 --> 0:57:18.480
<v Speaker 2>and bank robber, the West Mercy of Police. They think

0:57:18.520 --> 0:57:20.160
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna have to extra at him because the Americans

0:57:20.200 --> 0:57:22.440
<v Speaker 2>just will not give him up. Come on, give us

0:57:22.480 --> 0:57:24.720
<v Speaker 2>our guy we want. We got the press, keep the

0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:27.760
<v Speaker 2>daily mails, call me every day for Christ's sake. So

0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:30.160
<v Speaker 2>they finally send him back. Right, He's taken to the

0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:33.120
<v Speaker 2>Wooster police station and they get this master criminal to

0:57:33.160 --> 0:57:35.720
<v Speaker 2>explain about how he's been hitting the banks, the bookies

0:57:35.840 --> 0:57:39.400
<v Speaker 2>and what have you, the local charity shops. So Detective

0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:44.439
<v Speaker 2>Inspector Jim Fox died Fox and Fox right. I thought

0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:47.120
<v Speaker 2>this nice full circle exactly. So the complexities of the

0:57:47.160 --> 0:57:49.400
<v Speaker 2>case continued as we could not interview xactly due to

0:57:49.480 --> 0:57:52.320
<v Speaker 2>legal restrictions and had to prepariphile that proved every aspect

0:57:52.360 --> 0:57:54.960
<v Speaker 2>of our case against him, down to handwriting analysis to

0:57:55.040 --> 0:57:58.680
<v Speaker 2>prove the diaries were his and obtaining DNA and fingerprints

0:57:58.720 --> 0:58:01.160
<v Speaker 2>from the USA. It was such a well prepared case

0:58:01.320 --> 0:58:03.680
<v Speaker 2>that we were confident of a guilty plea due to

0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:04.920
<v Speaker 2>the overwhelming evidence.

0:58:05.040 --> 0:58:07.200
<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, he boxed it up for you pretty much.

0:58:07.240 --> 0:58:08.440
<v Speaker 2>They had it all and then they have the ten

0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:10.400
<v Speaker 2>month head start until he gets back. So when he

0:58:10.440 --> 0:58:13.840
<v Speaker 2>gets back, he faces twenty one different charges. No boy,

0:58:14.200 --> 0:58:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it comes down to five armed robberies, three

0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:21.160
<v Speaker 2>attempted armed robberies, seven firearms offenses in relation to the robberies,

0:58:21.640 --> 0:58:26.120
<v Speaker 2>the assault occasioning actual bodily harm, and finally one attempted

0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:28.600
<v Speaker 2>burglary of a bank and one burgley. I assume that's

0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:31.120
<v Speaker 2>the charity shop. Sure, yeah, So all during his trial

0:58:31.200 --> 0:58:34.440
<v Speaker 2>he confesses to doing the jobs he did for practice.

0:58:34.480 --> 0:58:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Then also he mentioned that he was in the Netherlands

0:58:36.960 --> 0:58:39.440
<v Speaker 2>he pulled a knife point robbery and then he fled

0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:41.840
<v Speaker 2>back to England. He was never caught for that one,

0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:43.960
<v Speaker 2>and since it was in the Netherlands, the British were like,

0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:46.760
<v Speaker 2>we'll give you that one for free. So meanwhile, the

0:58:46.840 --> 0:58:49.320
<v Speaker 2>judge is not particularly moved by his whole robin hood thing.

0:58:49.400 --> 0:58:51.320
<v Speaker 2>He's like, he doesn't find that cute. Apparently he has

0:58:51.360 --> 0:58:53.480
<v Speaker 2>grandkids or whatever. He's like, I don't I'm not going

0:58:53.520 --> 0:58:55.480
<v Speaker 2>for this whole robbin hood thing. Was he stopped playing

0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:57.680
<v Speaker 2>dress up and scaring people or working for a living.

0:58:58.400 --> 0:59:02.240
<v Speaker 2>So he said that his activity had no beneficiaries but himself,

0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:04.760
<v Speaker 2>although in just one incident that delivered cash to a

0:59:04.920 --> 0:59:07.440
<v Speaker 2>charity shop that he had damaged during its attempts to

0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:10.680
<v Speaker 2>gain entry to an adjoining bank, he'd also stolen items

0:59:10.840 --> 0:59:14.080
<v Speaker 2>from that same charity shop, so he threw the book

0:59:14.120 --> 0:59:17.080
<v Speaker 2>at him. Jackie eventually pleads guilty to eighteen of the

0:59:17.120 --> 0:59:20.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty one charges, convicted to a twelve year stretch and

0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:24.080
<v Speaker 2>British prisons. His sentence was later shortened after he appealed,

0:59:24.480 --> 0:59:27.160
<v Speaker 2>and so he peeled on grounds of his Asperger syndrome

0:59:27.280 --> 0:59:31.320
<v Speaker 2>affecting him, and then the London Criminal Appeal Court ruled

0:59:31.400 --> 0:59:34.720
<v Speaker 2>that he lacked full quote awareness of the consequences of

0:59:34.760 --> 0:59:39.200
<v Speaker 2>his actions and therefore his culpability to have been significantly impaired. Right,

0:59:39.360 --> 0:59:41.040
<v Speaker 2>So I got to keep that in my back pocket

0:59:41.040 --> 0:59:42.720
<v Speaker 2>if I ever get into legal trouble in the UK,

0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Your honor, we consider the fact I'm kind of aspy,

0:59:46.360 --> 0:59:49.320
<v Speaker 2>like seriously, I mean, no, I don't have a professional diagnosis.

0:59:49.400 --> 0:59:51.720
<v Speaker 2>It's just something people say about me. But I think

0:59:51.800 --> 0:59:55.320
<v Speaker 2>that we should introduce so anyway, Stephen Jacklie gets released

0:59:55.320 --> 0:59:58.720
<v Speaker 2>in twenty fourteen after doing five of the twelve years. Yeah,

0:59:58.800 --> 1:00:00.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, while he was inside, Jackie did what he

1:00:00.920 --> 1:00:04.200
<v Speaker 2>did best. He compulsively wrote down his thoughts and when

1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:06.480
<v Speaker 2>he was released he had a whole book ready to go.

1:00:07.000 --> 1:00:10.160
<v Speaker 2>And as Reli said time and time again, yes, prison

1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:12.800
<v Speaker 2>is apparently the best writing group there is. It is

1:00:13.120 --> 1:00:15.919
<v Speaker 2>so many book deals come out of prison. Jackly, though

1:00:16.280 --> 1:00:18.760
<v Speaker 2>true to his nature, set up his own publishing company

1:00:18.840 --> 1:00:21.880
<v Speaker 2>because he was still very much an anti capitalist. He

1:00:21.960 --> 1:00:23.920
<v Speaker 2>stayed true to his ethical stance and he gave himself

1:00:23.960 --> 1:00:27.960
<v Speaker 2>a book deal. There you go, Elizabeth what's a ridiculous takeaway?

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<v Speaker 3>My goodness, don't take notes the right Stop journaling. Everybody,

1:00:33.360 --> 1:00:37.600
<v Speaker 3>stop journaling. You're all incriminating yourselves. Oh you think even

1:00:37.640 --> 1:00:39.120
<v Speaker 3>if you're like, this is this is these are my

1:00:39.240 --> 1:00:43.720
<v Speaker 3>emotions for the day. Crimes top in the old cranium.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting. You know, I think that I journal journal. I

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<v Speaker 2>put a lot of notes down journal. I wouldn't say

1:00:51.320 --> 1:00:53.000
<v Speaker 2>that it's a journal, but I have a lot of notes.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, people just look at this, They're like, what

1:00:55.080 --> 1:00:57.120
<v Speaker 2>is this crackpot math that I'm looking saying.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen one of your notebooks. I've peaked over your

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<v Speaker 3>should it's just mass.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, there's nothing numbers like I could be. I

1:01:03.800 --> 1:01:05.800
<v Speaker 2>could be like, you know, I think indicted by like

1:01:06.760 --> 1:01:09.120
<v Speaker 2>the the annals of math. Journal.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't many ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>But there you go. That's my ridiculous takeaway. Don't give

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<v Speaker 2>me any ideas.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't give many ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>So hey, you in the mood for a talkback to

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<v Speaker 2>wash this down?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you favors with one? Oh my god, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Love get.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, ridiculous crime crew. This is Katie calling from Tacoma, Washington.

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<v Speaker 4>I just finished listening to the plant Crimes episode, and

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<v Speaker 4>I just learned I have that same purple tomato in

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<v Speaker 4>my garden from the episode, So yeah, I thought that

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<v Speaker 4>was really exciting. Thanks Aul, love the show and keep

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<v Speaker 4>producing great stuff as you always do.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks very much, Thank you, Katie, ma'am. How can you

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<v Speaker 3>tell me you have the tomato and not give me

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<v Speaker 3>like a full rundown review flavor profile? What's the color

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<v Speaker 3>when you cut her?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it like other purple tomatoes where the outside were

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<v Speaker 3>where it takes much longer to come right.

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<v Speaker 2>But a lot more Katie? Can you reach it back out?

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<v Speaker 3>Don't another talk though?

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<v Speaker 2>Just looking at her face?

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<v Speaker 3>She needs me a review of the tomato. I love

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<v Speaker 3>that you have that.

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