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Speaker 2: Hey Elizabeth, look at you so glad to see you.
Speaker 2: I got a question for that smile and face.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Yes, I do. I do. I love garlic. We know that.
Speaker 3: I know that, you know that.
Speaker 2: You even have clothing that says that.
Speaker 3: My neighbors know that I love garlic. And I don't
Speaker 3: care if I smell like garlic.
Speaker 2: I thought that's half the pleasure. I kind of is
Speaker 2: like a bubble of like.
Speaker 3: Well, it's like there are two things when you're cooking
Speaker 3: and baking, like if it says add a teaspoon of
Speaker 3: vanilla and four okay, And if it says add for
Speaker 3: clothes of garlic, like add ahead of garlic.
Speaker 2: Ah, that's till like sixteen cloves.
Speaker 3: Pretty much. That's just the Those are the like unwritten
Speaker 3: rules of of food fixers.
Speaker 2: You got a heavy finger with the garlic.
Speaker 3: I like that, Yes, exactly. So you would think one
Speaker 3: would think that if there was a garlic product, I'd
Speaker 3: be like all about it.
Speaker 2: We were on such a good no, no, just hold on,
Speaker 2: hold on.
Speaker 3: Because like I went to the store and there was
Speaker 3: the best foods otherwise known as Hellman's on the other
Speaker 3: side of they do a garlic ali. It does not
Speaker 3: taste good.
Speaker 2: That's the same company.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did not know many.
Speaker 2: Yeah, learn something new every day.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like dryers and uh, what is it? Eaties?
Speaker 3: Sure that that you know? Continental divide Carls Junior. We're
Speaker 3: a nation divided. Yeah, AnyWho best foods? Garlic Ali not good.
Speaker 3: So I apologize to them. If they want to make
Speaker 3: it right with me, fine.
Speaker 2: I'm taking notes. Not good.
Speaker 3: I think I'm just a food snob and I like
Speaker 3: it homemade. Aside from that, so a lot of our
Speaker 3: listeners were like, tell Elizabeth, I know she likes garlic,
Speaker 3: and I know that there are some things that really
Speaker 3: irritate the snot out of her. This is both Oh.
Speaker 2: They're finally getting you. Yeah, thank you guys, dudes, you night.
Speaker 3: So apparently I'm not on TikTok. There's book talk, yeah,
Speaker 3: which I guess is when people talk about books on
Speaker 3: TikTok when they should be actually just reading the books.
Speaker 3: But aside from that, there's an author, Jennifer l Arman Trout,
Speaker 3: and I think she writes like, I don't know, vampire
Speaker 3: books cool. She has a title that's coming out, The
Speaker 3: Primal of Blood and Bone, which just like you know
Speaker 3: me and fantasy books like vampires and dragons, kind of
Speaker 3: like stay far away. Yeah, that's my that's my garlic.
Speaker 3: Where I a vampire? Anyway, I'm dragging this off way
Speaker 3: too long. So so this lady, she's got a book
Speaker 3: coming out. She teamed up with Hellman's What I Know
Speaker 3: Stop and they made a special edition garlic scented copy
Speaker 3: of her book that is infused with Hellman's garlic aoli
Speaker 3: create a one of a kind craven proof books. So
Speaker 3: Craven must be a character who's like a vampire.
Speaker 2: This sounds like it the books.
Speaker 3: Seeking another worldly experience, fire bound by flavor. This garlic
Speaker 3: scented special edition is juicy enough to sink your teeth
Speaker 3: right in. Take a closer look at all the fine details,
Speaker 3: warning it will consume you. And then I have this
Speaker 3: thing like a front plate like in the book. This
Speaker 3: van pre repelling special edition of The Primal of Blood
Speaker 3: and Bone was printed using garlic aoli infused ink. It
Speaker 3: was meticulously crafted to repel nocturnal nibblers, specifically the ugly
Speaker 3: creepy kind. So the book's going to spank, and not
Speaker 3: in a good way. If it's this garlic AILI from Helmet,
Speaker 3: it's greasy. Why I don't know, but the whole thing
Speaker 3: is greasy and you can't you can't do that.
Speaker 2: Why would anyone want?
Speaker 3: Well, because it's the people who are like, I'm quirky.
Speaker 3: Are we going to go to a book fair and
Speaker 3: sign it one?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 3: Oh? They do? These people, these people out there, that's
Speaker 3: wowd you just need to eat more garlic, drink more
Speaker 3: vanilla extract. I don't know when.
Speaker 2: Will the mashup culture and when will it come home
Speaker 2: from the war?
Speaker 3: Never insummation your honor. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you that one. I don't even
Speaker 2: know what I know.
Speaker 3: It was just like I kept getting that's forwarded to
Speaker 3: be forwarded to me, and I was like, deep sigh, Okay.
Speaker 2: Eventually they're going to push you onto my side.
Speaker 3: Of They are they are that they're writing a strongly
Speaker 3: worded letters to these corporations.
Speaker 2: Dear mister mashups, stop it.
Speaker 3: Dear mister Hellman, dear admiral.
Speaker 2: Help today. I want to tell you a story. Yes please,
Speaker 2: I don't even think it's nearly as ridiculous. It's ridiculous,
Speaker 2: but not.
Speaker 3: Adulous like garlic.
Speaker 2: No, but it is medieval. It will get medieval on you.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 2: I want to tell you a story about a crimer
Speaker 2: who you could say was partly inspired by a cartoon Fox.
Speaker 3: Wait.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and
Speaker 2: outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's always ninety nine percent
Speaker 2: murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous ridiculous. Elizabeth sar
Speaker 2: I mentioned up top how today's crimeer may have been
Speaker 2: partly inspired by a cartoon Fox. You want to take
Speaker 2: a guess at which cartoon? Fox?
Speaker 3: I mean, is it the animated Robin Hood?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's fine singing.
Speaker 2: Well, did you and your brother watch that one? Like
Speaker 2: way my sister and I watched it.
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 2: I mean we wore that tape out?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I knew all of the songs completely. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, fun fact. That movie came out in nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 2: It was the first animated film made by Disney after
Speaker 2: Walt Disney passed on the first post Walt movie, Animated one,
Speaker 2: and it was also the first animated Disney movie to
Speaker 2: feature no human characters. I know. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: So the film features a bunch of my favorites in
Speaker 2: the cast. There's the minstrel Allan A. Dale. The rooster
Speaker 2: is played by Roger Miller aka King of the Row Sanger.
Speaker 2: Of course, it also stars one of my all time
Speaker 2: favorite performers, Phil Harris, as the cartoon bear sidekick Little John.
Speaker 2: For those who don't know, Phil Harris used to play
Speaker 2: himself in the Jack Benny Radio Show and then again
Speaker 2: played himself in the Phil Harris and Alice Fay Show.
Speaker 2: I listened to both on radio classics. Thank you. I
Speaker 2: just love his voice, his whole vibe. I mean, come on, anyway.
Speaker 3: Who is the King in the Louis Prima?
Speaker 2: Oh the King? Oh? The King is Peter Houston off
Speaker 2: underrated actor? He played both Prince John, the villain, yeah,
Speaker 2: Prince the heroic brother King Richard, So you were right.
Speaker 2: He did put in the King. Yeah, and apparently the
Speaker 2: singer Louis Prima, who was such a hit in the
Speaker 2: Jungle Book right as a king Louis the King of
Speaker 2: the Swingers the Jungle vip. Well, he expected to get
Speaker 2: a role in Disney's Robin Hood and they were like, hey,
Speaker 2: Louis bad news. Bro. He's like, what, I'm the King
Speaker 2: of the Swingers the Jungle Vip. They're like, we ain't
Speaker 2: got a role for you, right. So he was so
Speaker 2: steamed about it. He recorded a whole album about it
Speaker 2: called Let's Hear It for robin Hood, and then he
Speaker 2: went he sold that album to Disneyland Records, which I
Speaker 2: did not know was a thing, right, And he was
Speaker 2: like Denzel Washington at the Oscars, like I'm leaving with something,
Speaker 2: you know. He's like, I'm getting paid on my beat,
Speaker 2: getting wet.
Speaker 3: So he wrote his own songs about the movie. Yes,
Speaker 3: it wasn't like distracks and.
Speaker 2: It was used in the movie.
Speaker 3: It was just so you could stumble upon it and
Speaker 3: in the record.
Speaker 2: Store and oh yeah, and they're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: this is none of this is in the movie.
Speaker 3: It's like a jet and he's important.
Speaker 2: Exactly like what we doing.
Speaker 3: In the world. That's amazing.
Speaker 2: That's how mad you was. So yeah, the fun fact
Speaker 2: just for you, Elizabeth. Yeah, as you kind of intimated earlier,
Speaker 2: Disney's Robinhood was a major early inspiration for some of
Speaker 2: your faves. The furries. They think of the cartoon Fox
Speaker 2: as a quasi sex symbol.
Speaker 3: Now I told you about my evolution on first, yes,
Speaker 3: come around to my side. Have I talked about it
Speaker 3: on here? I don't know in public.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've made this public.
Speaker 3: Okay. So my whole thing with furries is they irritated
Speaker 3: the bejeebers out of me. And then I started, anytime
Speaker 3: you get annoyed or upset with someone, you have to
Speaker 3: investigate yourself why that is, yes, And instead of saying well,
Speaker 3: because they're lame, like no, really really investigated and I
Speaker 3: realized that it was. One of the things I find
Speaker 3: super annoying is when adults talk about how like I
Speaker 3: love a sense of play and like they have this like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's my childhood. And then I had kind of realized,
Speaker 3: like I didn't really have that chance as a kid. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I had to grow up really fast for a number
Speaker 3: of reasons. And so it's like, I don't think that
Speaker 3: I'm jealous of it. I just it's something that's so
Speaker 3: foreign to me, and it's something that I feel like
Speaker 3: I had to move by so quickly that I look
Speaker 3: at these people, I'm like, oh, give it the program.
Speaker 3: We got bigger fish to fry, like you don't have
Speaker 3: time to put on a little costume run around. So
Speaker 3: I'm letting go of that, and it makes them happy
Speaker 3: and it fulfills them. And every time like they get
Speaker 3: that like that, like tingle, when the barbed wire inside
Speaker 3: me starts to coil.
Speaker 2: And get taught.
Speaker 3: I take a deep breath and I go, you know
Speaker 3: what you do? You? I love that for you.
Speaker 2: There you go as one of them as well as.
Speaker 3: You're not trashing a hotel. Now that's right across the line.
Speaker 3: But you know you want to dress up and stick
Speaker 3: something up your ear like a tail, you know, knock
Speaker 3: yourself out. Sure they do. I've seen it.
Speaker 2: Well that's my football coach used to say. You point
Speaker 2: a finger. Three fingers are pointing back at you over exactly.
Speaker 3: No, I highly recommend if you get super annoyed with
Speaker 3: something and you think it's like why am I like, investigate,
Speaker 3: sit on it for a while, think about it. I
Speaker 3: like that it might not be an answer that you're
Speaker 3: comfortable with. I wasn't comfortable with it, but you know what,
Speaker 3: we live and learn.
Speaker 2: You do grow every day that way.
Speaker 3: Gross.
Speaker 2: No, for the record, as far as like whether robinhood
Speaker 2: was like sexy and the furries or onto something. I
Speaker 2: did have more than one female friend who told me
Speaker 2: over the years that as young girls they had crushes
Speaker 2: on the cartoon Fox robin Hood.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that ate like the late Gen X. That's like
Speaker 3: the everyone's like first crush is the animated Robinhood.
Speaker 2: It goes late Gen X xxennials and then older millennials
Speaker 2: the whole span. It's like like a ten year window
Speaker 2: of people who.
Speaker 3: Are like weird boomers.
Speaker 2: That's one foxy Fox.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, it was non threatening.
Speaker 2: Well also, yeah, he's like you know they say confidence
Speaker 2: is sexy. Yeah, I think that goes a long way.
Speaker 3: I know who my first childhood crush was.
Speaker 2: I have no idea. Mister slim good body.
Speaker 3: No, it's something that terrified my family.
Speaker 2: Oh God, I'm not even going to guess who he's. Richards.
Speaker 3: I thought he was so dream like in the like
Speaker 3: like reflective shades, shaggy hair, like you know.
Speaker 2: The skeletal drug addict. I find him.
Speaker 3: Attractically recording in the South of France. I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm four, let's go.
Speaker 2: If you wanted something embarrassing about me, this is nowhere
Speaker 2: near as that.
Speaker 3: I'm just this is a therapy session, a lot out.
Speaker 2: Just let's let's share, you know, just sharing time.
Speaker 3: That's ridiculous, it's a crime.
Speaker 2: Do you know how I always remember who the King
Speaker 2: of England was when the Magna carta was signed Disney's
Speaker 2: robin Hood because John is the one. So I always
Speaker 2: picture the scaredy cat lion being like bullied by his
Speaker 2: nobles and crown. Yeah, exactly, that's how I remember it.
Speaker 3: I like tooth what was it a rabbit or something?
Speaker 3: That's all. I don't remember the character whatever, there's the
Speaker 3: snakes or his like that. No, I didn't think so
Speaker 3: it's like a little cute pie.
Speaker 2: Oh there's yeah, the little rabbit, the boy rabbit who
Speaker 2: wants to be like Robin Hood.
Speaker 3: That's my favorite.
Speaker 2: And his sister has the list.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I like the little boy Rabbit.
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. Well enough about Disney's robin Head,
Speaker 2: no question, Elizabeth. Do you know which movie came out
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety one that does not point break? It
Speaker 2: was a major iconic film starring a guy who go
Speaker 2: on to play a character named Dutton.
Speaker 3: That's right, Kevin Costner, Yes, in Robinhood. Princis there It
Speaker 3: is with the with the iconic soundtrack from Brian Adams.
Speaker 3: Everything I do, I do it for you, dude?
Speaker 2: Do you remember the grip that song? Had this on the.
Speaker 3: Smerdy Me I had it on single?
Speaker 2: Did you really you couldn't watch MTV without that being
Speaker 2: played every least once an hour?
Speaker 3: Why did I get it on? You listen to it?
Speaker 3: One's like, that's good. It's on the radio all the time.
Speaker 3: I played it like once and then you flip it over.
Speaker 3: It's the same song.
Speaker 2: It's not like a Canadian.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was all everything I do. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I really like, I don't know. I had a lot
Speaker 3: of weird singles. Are you just like it's like an
Speaker 3: impulse by it?
Speaker 2: I totally feel you on that, sure, No I do.
Speaker 2: I had like, well, those of the mine are like
Speaker 2: like Beastie Boys KAS singles, but you.
Speaker 3: Know I feel them cool.
Speaker 2: I just was like, I want to, you know, check
Speaker 2: your head past the mic version three versions of it.
Speaker 3: I got the like EP of root Down and has
Speaker 3: like seven versions of Best Boys.
Speaker 2: That's a really good one.
Speaker 3: We're talking now that I did listen to over and
Speaker 3: over again.
Speaker 2: That's that's the technical Any.
Speaker 3: Is your brain broken.
Speaker 2: So anyway, they're also in That was Mary Elizabeth.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, I thought we were moving forward.
Speaker 2: No, no, we're moving backwards. Okay, cool, So okay, I
Speaker 2: got a harder one for you. Do you remember the
Speaker 2: other Robin Hood movie that came out in nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: one that also was not.
Speaker 3: Point bright Brooks right, Robin.
Speaker 2: No, that was nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 3: There was another robin Hood. Yes.
Speaker 2: The reason why Robinhood is called robin Hood Prince of
Speaker 2: Thieves is because the first one was just called robin Hood.
Speaker 2: It starred Uma Thurman as Maid Marion.
Speaker 3: Who is Robin Hood.
Speaker 2: I think Patrick Bergen was his name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good that now we know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now we know that one came out in May. Well,
Speaker 2: the Kevin Costner version came out in June, so they
Speaker 2: had to have it was a battling Yeah, it was like.
Speaker 3: A whole It was like an asteroid movie.
Speaker 2: But there you go, deep impact and army.
Speaker 3: Guess I'm getting it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. Now have you seen the other more
Speaker 2: modern version such as Robin Hood Men in Tights? Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Melbrooks version right in it. Then there was the
Speaker 2: twenty ten Ridley Scott version that stars Russell Crowe got
Speaker 2: you saw that? Yeah, I was curious. I looked it up.
Speaker 2: How many robin Hood movies are there? And it's kind
Speaker 2: of wild because if you dated back to the silent
Speaker 2: film era, motivated by the success of Like Later On,
Speaker 2: the nineteen thirty eight version starring Errol fle which is
Speaker 2: the iconic one, right, that's like you know, it is
Speaker 2: the little green felt hat gives us the look, the
Speaker 2: green tights, the whole bit, right. So since then, there
Speaker 2: has been at least one robin Hood movie released in
Speaker 2: every single decade. Really, except for one decade. There was
Speaker 2: one decade that didn't feature a robin Hood movie. Can
Speaker 2: you want you want to guess which decade had no
Speaker 2: Robinhood film?
Speaker 3: Nineteen forties, good, guess we were a world at wars there, No, we.
Speaker 2: Had Robinhood for the war, Oh we did. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: needed that gumption.
Speaker 3: I don't know what.
Speaker 2: The nineteen eighties of course, oh really yeah, the me
Speaker 2: generations like forget Robinhood. We went on that energy to
Speaker 2: this decade. It was like the toll opposite spirit. They're
Speaker 2: like rob from the poor to give it to the rich.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Michael Douglas.
Speaker 2: Saron what's with all the fun facts and trivia questions
Speaker 2: about Robin Hood. It's that kind of day, great question?
Speaker 2: Was it way to bring your aoly game? I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, wondering, like when you get bored on the
Speaker 2: robin Hood question. The reason why I wanted to talk
Speaker 2: Robin It was to set a mood. Right, you've said
Speaker 2: it since. That's what I want to tell you about today,
Speaker 2: the cultural hole that that legend has on our imagination. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they set up top. Today's crime is inspired by Robinhood.
Speaker 2: This dude wanted to be a real life, actual factual Robinhood.
Speaker 2: Like he didn't go into crime to get rich. He
Speaker 2: became a burglar to live out his robin Hood fantasies.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 2: He legit robbed from the rich to give to the poor,
Speaker 2: just like the famous outlaud of Sherwood for now. You know,
Speaker 2: I love that, right, I've been a robin Hood man
Speaker 2: from the jump. In fact, on my first car, I
Speaker 2: had a bumper sticker that used to say robin Hood
Speaker 2: was right there I am driving around.
Speaker 3: Did you also have one that said, like, it's it's
Speaker 3: criminal that what you know? We have to have a
Speaker 3: bake sale.
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't that kind of guy. I was like snarky,
Speaker 2: but not like that no bake sales while our our
Speaker 2: schools have to hold robbin launchers.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't remember what it was. Today's
Speaker 3: one of those coexist bumper.
Speaker 2: Oh, I told you I was. I was snarky. I
Speaker 2: thought I was being like, you know, let's take from
Speaker 2: the rich. I thought I was.
Speaker 3: It's sort of like I had not in an altruistic way,
Speaker 3: but it's that age. It was snarky. In high school,
Speaker 3: I had a T shirt that said breathe or die
Speaker 3: there and I thought that was absolutely hysterical. I thought
Speaker 3: it was the coolest shirt. You know that in my
Speaker 3: model U N shirts proceed I'd like to do is
Speaker 3: just in.
Speaker 2: Today's primer is a British cat named Stephen George Dennis Jackie.
Speaker 3: Stephen George Dennis Jackie.
Speaker 2: There will not be a quiz at the end. Stephen
Speaker 2: Jackie he was. He was from the South Devon Coast,
Speaker 2: from a place called Sidmouth or Sidmouth if you're an American, sidmth.
Speaker 2: His father was a painter an engineer. He was also
Speaker 2: a bit of a bully. His mother was a tragic figure.
Speaker 2: She suffered three episodes of schizophrenia, and so his early
Speaker 2: years are basically marked by memories of his mom being
Speaker 2: hauled off by either cops or medical staff, you know,
Speaker 2: the guys in white jackets, or his father like yelling
Speaker 2: at him. Right. So this was all very hard on
Speaker 2: young Stephen. He was also very sensitive lad, and so
Speaker 2: in his early formative years it gave him a certain
Speaker 2: distance from others, like he didn't have any friends. His
Speaker 2: neighbors said of young Stephen, he was a very quiet lad.
Speaker 2: I've only seen him a half a dozen times in
Speaker 2: all the years they ever lived there. He used to
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time in the house. Another neighbor said,
Speaker 2: he did not seem to have any friends around here.
Speaker 2: He was a very much a loner. You never saw
Speaker 2: him playing out in the street or anything like that.
Speaker 2: He was very quiet. You never saw him out socializing.
Speaker 2: So as a result of his parents and his perennial shyness,
Speaker 2: young Stephen retreated into fantasies. He was this highly moral,
Speaker 2: ethical kid, so he liked to dream of making the
Speaker 2: world a better place, and to do that, he dreamed
Speaker 2: of one day becoming an outlaw ful hero yeah, man
Speaker 2: after my own heart, because even as a young kid,
Speaker 2: he saw that the world was a very unfair place.
Speaker 2: This bothered him again his teen years. Right. For instance,
Speaker 2: he was traveling with his family in Thailand and he
Speaker 2: witnessed like the vast wealth disparities between what he knew
Speaker 2: in the UK and what he was seeing in Southeast Asia,
Speaker 2: and it bothered him to his core. So at some
Speaker 2: point he gets into like this spiritual debate with a
Speaker 2: Buddhist monk that he talks to. He's like a team, right,
Speaker 2: but he's like, you know, asking him the ethical questions,
Speaker 2: like is it ethical to do wrong if you do
Speaker 2: it for the greater good? And the Buddhist Monk's like, well,
Speaker 2: what are we talking about here? I need some parameters, kid.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what the monk told him, but
Speaker 2: it was apparently a very formative moment in his development
Speaker 2: because it's mentioned in almost every story I read about him. Right,
Speaker 2: he had then this is where his fantasies about becoming
Speaker 2: an outlaw folk hero start to take hold and really
Speaker 2: just grip his mind. Right. Eventually, he left his childhood
Speaker 2: home behind. He went off to college at the University
Speaker 2: of Wooster or is it's spelled on paper Warchester. But
Speaker 2: you know, he entered the university as a geography student,
Speaker 2: and yet even as a young man, he still harbored
Speaker 2: all these childhood fantasies. Right, so one day he's like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to become an outlaw folk hero, a do
Speaker 2: gooder like by man Robin Hood Nice, And he did that,
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Nice. Let's take a little break. When we get back,
Speaker 2: I will tell you about the crime career of Stephen Jackly. Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: we're back now. It's something I forgot to mention about
Speaker 2: Steven Jackie that I probably should have mentioned when I
Speaker 2: was introducing him.
Speaker 3: He's imaginary.
Speaker 2: No, No, he's totally real, and he's not me. This
Speaker 2: is like I'm telling you a story where I'm using
Speaker 2: a fake name. No, he was. When he was a
Speaker 2: college student. He also got into experimenting with drugs, particular
Speaker 2: smoking weed and blowing lines of cocaine. So that may
Speaker 2: have had an influence on his whole life. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: rob the rich and the poor, me being one of them.
Speaker 2: So anyway, that also may have inspired some of his
Speaker 2: fantasies of becoming an outlaw folk hero, because you know
Speaker 2: how cocaine is. It's like, hey, man, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do. I'm going to become a hell maybe
Speaker 2: a smoke pot. He's like, yeah, I love that idea.
Speaker 2: Like they're both telling him the same thing. But what
Speaker 2: do I know. What I do know is this Elizabeth
Speaker 2: In two thousand and seven, while he was studying geography
Speaker 2: at the University of Wooster, he decides it's time to
Speaker 2: start pulling my ethical crimes. He's twenty one years old
Speaker 2: at the time. He's living in the dorms on campus,
Speaker 2: really student housing, it's not exactly the dorms, and he
Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to become a real life Robin
Speaker 2: Hood now you can believe it. The very next year,
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight, there was this huge worldwide
Speaker 2: financial crash and melt down, and it was already starting
Speaker 2: to happen in two thousand and seven. We dated in
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, but it was it was very evident,
Speaker 2: and so this threw a ton of fuel onto his
Speaker 2: righteous fire that was already burning inside of him. So like,
Speaker 2: while other students are going out and like making placards
Speaker 2: to march and attend protests and and you know, like
Speaker 2: argue against the wealth inequalities of the world and like,
Speaker 2: you know, shout about this insatiable greed of bankers. Stephen
Speaker 2: Jackie's like, I'm going to steal their money.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna cut to the chase right to it, right.
Speaker 2: So to do this obviously, He's like, I will be
Speaker 2: a college student by day, robin Hood by night.
Speaker 3: And he still doesn't have a whole lot of friends
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 2: No, I should be clear about him deciding to become
Speaker 2: a real life Robinhood. Like, I don't mean he started
Speaker 2: wearing green tights in imagine greenfelt.
Speaker 3: Hat is a shame.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, No, he was as fun as that would
Speaker 2: have been. He kept it low pro, right, he well,
Speaker 2: I'll get to that a second, not exactly low pro.
Speaker 2: But he didn't wear the Robinhood uniform. I'll just put
Speaker 2: it that, okay, Okay. I should also probably mentioned that
Speaker 2: Stephen Jackie's moral wreckted to was partly motivated, at least
Speaker 2: by everything I read, by his Asperger syndrome.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: He was suspected that his Asperger syndrome partly motivated him
Speaker 2: to want to right society's wrongs to balance the scale
Speaker 2: he gave him this moral like fiber. Now years later,
Speaker 2: looking back at what became, you know what he became?
Speaker 2: Rather in his university years, Stephen Jacklie. He wrote this
Speaker 2: letter to a newspaper, the Sunday Mercury, and he reconsidered
Speaker 2: what he was thinking at the time, and as he
Speaker 2: told his Sunday Mercury, it became apparent I could fulfill
Speaker 2: the role of a hero, following in the footsteps of
Speaker 2: a legend who had broken the law to bring wealth
Speaker 2: and justice to the people. I could become a modern
Speaker 2: day Robin Hood. He also addressed his motivations, his ethical
Speaker 2: motivations that are more modern. He said, quote capitalism and
Speaker 2: the unregulated market economy is responsible for immense human inequality.
Speaker 2: It is driven and continues to drive a widening gulf
Speaker 2: between the rich and the poor. I made a promise, nay,
Speaker 2: a vow to change things, to make a difference.
Speaker 3: All right, God, you get the feeling right.
Speaker 2: Like he wants to make a lasting difference. What would
Speaker 2: be a lasting difference? Great question, As he explained, drastic, unprecedented,
Speaker 2: courageous actions were required. But for every goal and dream,
Speaker 2: there is one crucial ingredient needed to bring it to fruition.
Speaker 2: It's the same ingredient that all human endeavors require, regardless
Speaker 2: of effort or need. Yes, money was widlicked. So he's
Speaker 2: not like your man Willy Sutton. Right, He's like, why
Speaker 2: do you rob banks? Willy? Why? Because that's about the money.
Speaker 2: So Stephen Jackley, he's like another man might have taken
Speaker 2: a road of reason getting a job or beginning a
Speaker 2: career that would be a pathway to accomplishment. Many would
Speaker 2: have simply have accepted that they could make no difference,
Speaker 2: or that ultimately it wasn't the worth the effort. In youth,
Speaker 2: self centered desires take priority fast cars, pretty women, drugs,
Speaker 2: and drink. Even when the survival of humanity is at
Speaker 2: stake the future of their families. Most people do not
Speaker 2: take active steps to change things. They simply ignore the
Speaker 2: impending crisis, accept it, or don't do enough. Not my
Speaker 2: man Stephen jacks.
Speaker 3: But I mean, he's like, oh, y'all don't do enough.
Speaker 3: But I'm still gonna do the drugs and do enough.
Speaker 3: I was like, you guys are out there doing drugs.
Speaker 2: Keep that in mind.
Speaker 3: Yes, I still do it.
Speaker 2: He's like, he says, another point. Day by day, I
Speaker 2: could feel the rails vibrating. I think he means metaphorically.
Speaker 2: Day by day I was aware of what could, what
Speaker 2: would happen, and then it's fate would have it. One
Speaker 2: day it did happen. In the autumn of two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven, he became Robin Hood.
Speaker 3: Good for him.
Speaker 2: So at the first the cops in the UK, they
Speaker 2: were confused by this sudden appearance of this new bank
Speaker 2: rubber on the scene, this man who seemed to work alone,
Speaker 2: man who was armed and dangerous, but he was also
Speaker 2: a very sophisticated kind of professional thief. No, I should
Speaker 2: be clear. To disguise himself, our new outlaw folk hero
Speaker 2: in training. He employed a pair of dark, oversized sunglasses.
Speaker 2: I'm talking like, imagine like Audrey Dunner shades totally, but
Speaker 2: more like Audrey Hepburn shades. Yeah right, so big yeah,
Speaker 2: big dad so. And then also he we like to uh.
Speaker 2: He favored a rather outrageous blonde wig like I'm picturing
Speaker 2: like a Dolly Parton number.
Speaker 3: Oh you're seeing it go high. I'm going long and scraggling.
Speaker 2: Long, scraggly high, deep and wide. I mean, it was
Speaker 2: just all the descriptions.
Speaker 3: For deep Mountain high. Is it like Dolly Parton like
Speaker 3: the I don't think.
Speaker 2: Like taller the hair, I don't think like Dacas. No,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking like maybe in B fifty twos. Let's go
Speaker 2: with that. That's kind of fun, but it's more of
Speaker 2: a bee hive. Yeah, I'm thinking it had some more length,
Speaker 2: like shoulder length hair.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's place it somewhere in like Tampa Bay newscaster
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 2: Boom, there it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, settled almost on a man, almost a prince valiant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good point, Yeah, very good. So at this point,
Speaker 2: all this has nothing to do with robinhood, right, No,
Speaker 2: little greenfelt had for this brother. No, but it did
Speaker 2: allow him to have a you know, a costume, one
Speaker 2: would say, a way to disguise himself. Now, looking for
Speaker 2: an early taste of success, he tried to wrap like
Speaker 2: a bank courier outside the bank. He's like, just one
Speaker 2: on one, me and him. Right, it shows up armed
Speaker 2: with a knife and a pellet gun. Oh, which must
Speaker 2: not have looked very convincing because the courrier was like,
Speaker 2: piss off. Nice. He's like, all right, So he decided
Speaker 2: letast start out with easier targets. Maybe get some practice
Speaker 2: under my belt. Or so he decided to hit a bookie,
Speaker 2: like a bookie spot, you know, like in the UK
Speaker 2: they have those like bookiey houses or usual shop makers.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So for one of his earliest successful robberies, he walks
Speaker 2: into a bookie like one of those betting shops, and
Speaker 2: he was like armed with a hammer and a knife.
Speaker 3: Like one of the like storefront styles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I imagine, but I also imagine kind of like
Speaker 2: the storefront type like you'd find in a guy Ritchie film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you see him, there's just like yeah, countertops.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's exactly high. Countertops are like a woman working
Speaker 2: there with a bit of an attitude. Sure, all right,
Speaker 2: So he tells the two clerks working.
Speaker 3: There, I'm sorry, he had a hammer, hammer and.
Speaker 2: A knife and a nice shows up. I got one
Speaker 2: for each of you.
Speaker 3: Break an ice block.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, he's nuts. Okay, so this is not
Speaker 2: going to end well. So he tells the two clerks
Speaker 2: working that they need to stuff his backpack with cash
Speaker 2: or else. Yea, they decided they didn't want to learn
Speaker 2: more about the orls. They looked at the hammer like
Speaker 2: that's good enough. Yeah, and then they stuffed eight hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty five pounds in his backpack and he called
Speaker 2: it good okay, big successful first robber, one of his
Speaker 2: first robbery. That his confidence now is like you know,
Speaker 2: modern day Robinhood surges. He decides, I'm gonna now Robin
Speaker 2: actual bank.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a baby steps job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, work your way up, so you know, you gotta
Speaker 2: walk before you run. So to hit the bankers, he
Speaker 2: broke in with his imitation gun, his outrageous blonde wig,
Speaker 2: his oversized dark sunglasses. He would move quick, no time
Speaker 2: wasted like in the vaults. Nope, he just demanded money
Speaker 2: from the bank tellers, whatever they had in his drawers.
Speaker 2: Then he would be gone within ninety seconds and he's
Speaker 2: out right. So by the time the police arrived, there's
Speaker 2: just nothing but like, you know, whispers of who was
Speaker 2: just here? Who was that mask man? So his motos
Speaker 2: operandi was to basically hit banks in the Midlands area
Speaker 2: of the UK and yeah, there you go, and he
Speaker 2: would bust into a bank and a daring daytime stick up.
Speaker 2: He'd brandish a handgun, but don't worry, no one would
Speaker 2: ever or could get hurt since it was an imitation gun. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: So it's like unless you, you know, get shot with
Speaker 2: a pellet. But the bank tellers they don't know this,
Speaker 2: so they would like, you know, like you no, exactly.
Speaker 2: A lot of people haven't really seen a gun pointed
Speaker 2: at them. They don't know what a gun looks like
Speaker 2: outside of a movie.
Speaker 3: Imagine in crimes, you're not really anticipating having a gun
Speaker 3: pulled on his whole knife crime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of people don't really look at it.
Speaker 2: They look at they could just all of a sudden
Speaker 2: look at the outline of the person, and part of
Speaker 2: the outline is holding a gun. Yeah, so they would
Speaker 2: believe his make believe gun and then hidden behind his
Speaker 2: oversized dark sunglasses and his outrageous, ridiculous blonde wig. So
Speaker 2: there is this stranger demanding the bank's money or else,
Speaker 2: so they would give over whatever they had in their drawer.
Speaker 2: And then after he fled with whatever money he could
Speaker 2: scare out of the bank tellers, they would report it
Speaker 2: to the local news that a man by himself, wearing
Speaker 2: a comical blonde wig and giant dark sunglasses came in
Speaker 2: and robbed the place.
Speaker 3: It looks like JT. Leroy in my house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of So at first, like, you know, his
Speaker 2: disguise is getting most of the press, like they keep
Speaker 2: talking about this ridiculous blonde wig, these crazy sunglasses because
Speaker 2: he keeps getting away with it. There's not much else
Speaker 2: to write about. He's not getting cuts. They're like, well
Speaker 2: do you looked? Like how crazy was the wig? So
Speaker 2: eventually though, the police in the UK, they make it
Speaker 2: their mission to like change that. They're like, we got
Speaker 2: to catch this guy, so they launch a nationwide.
Speaker 3: Man hunt for him.
Speaker 2: Stephen Jacklie. Remember he's a college tudent by day, robin
Speaker 2: Hood by night. He could have focused his efforts directly
Speaker 2: on like charity work instead of being a Robinhood by night.
Speaker 2: And he's like, nope, I need to rob these banks.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like so it's based on his Robinhood obsession.
Speaker 2: He decides like once he has some success, now he's like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go bigger. So as here this is how
Speaker 2: he explained it to the Sunday Mercury quote, banks, bookmakers,
Speaker 2: and building societies are icons of the current socioeconomic system.
Speaker 2: There are more than just exchanges of money and legalized
Speaker 2: loan sharks. They were to me a legitimate target. So
Speaker 2: he's getting like ginned up. He's firing himself up, like
Speaker 2: he's now like the good guy of all, like a legend.
Speaker 2: He's like Batman on one right, I'm punching you because
Speaker 2: you're bad. You're like you've got anger issues, buddy, He's
Speaker 2: not dealing with any of that, right, So you killed Eventually.
Speaker 2: He writes in his diary at the time that he
Speaker 2: had a goal that he would keep hitting banks and
Speaker 2: bookies until he was able to steal one hundred thousand pounds. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's his goal. Once he amassed that one hundred thousand pounds,
Speaker 2: this one man Robinhood charity organization would start his own
Speaker 2: official organization, and then he donated all to charity. Oh
Speaker 2: not all of it. He did donates sixty percent.
Speaker 3: Wait, okay, so first of all, did he think through,
Speaker 3: how am I going to start an actual nonprofit organization?
Speaker 3: And where am I going to say this money came from?
Speaker 2: Not exactly. He figured he could do it international.
Speaker 3: And he's doing like the serious, like shady nonprofit of
Speaker 3: he for.
Speaker 2: Me, Yes, sixty percent for the effort, the administrative management.
Speaker 2: You gotta pay for that. So his plan was he
Speaker 2: would establish a business that would then subsequently establish branches
Speaker 2: in foreign countries. And then yes, and he would give
Speaker 2: out his money, his stolen proceeds to help combat food
Speaker 2: insecurity in the so called Third World.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, as.
Speaker 2: He wrote in his diary, he planned to donate, as
Speaker 2: I said, sixty percent to charity and the homeless, and
Speaker 2: then forty percent to the Robin.
Speaker 3: Hood him sixty world peace.
Speaker 2: Has. He later explained, I could have easily been a
Speaker 2: person who's cycled to work and recycled, someone who did
Speaker 2: their best to save the planet. But no, I decided
Speaker 2: on a drastic, almost revolutionary course of action. It's so proud,
Speaker 2: he's so high on his own supply. So it's it's
Speaker 2: much more fun to throw on an outrageous, comical blonde
Speaker 2: wig than recycled and then.
Speaker 3: The bike in the rain. Yes, exactly, this is way
Speaker 3: more fun.
Speaker 2: Give me them, Audrey, hepburn stunner shades. Let's do this,
Speaker 2: And so at one point he says, this is going
Speaker 2: to sound crazy, but I marked the notes with an RH.
Speaker 2: So he's going around giving out stolen proceeds to homeless
Speaker 2: folks and then putting a little RH on it so
Speaker 2: people would know that.
Speaker 3: He's already passing out bills like.
Speaker 2: Rolls of twenties to like homeless people.
Speaker 3: That's eating away. It is one hundred k, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: But he wants to do it, you know, like he
Speaker 2: wants to gig. Yeah, all right away, book at the
Speaker 2: work I'm doing.
Speaker 3: But he's true, he doesn't want to be truly anonymous.
Speaker 3: He wants to put his little rh on there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, a person may start out with
Speaker 2: high minded ethics, pure motivation, but then life dance again.
Speaker 2: In this case, he made a mistake the kind anyone
Speaker 2: pretending to be Robinhood could have made. I mean, it
Speaker 2: was a very harmless mistake. You see, he got confused
Speaker 2: and he robbed the wrong place.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that happens. It happens, is the best of us.
Speaker 2: Stephen Jackie remembered on one occasion, I burgled a premises
Speaker 2: and it turned out to be a charity office, which
Speaker 2: I hadn't realized at the time. That was a nightmare.
Speaker 2: So he robbed a charity.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he broke into an ox fan.
Speaker 2: He's not taking the money from the people. He wants
Speaker 2: to give the money to.
Speaker 3: Well, because he'll do better with it. He knows better everything.
Speaker 2: The charity was next to a bank, and so he
Speaker 2: broke into the charity, thinking he was breaking it to
Speaker 2: the bank, robbed it and he realized, oh that we
Speaker 2: got outside, that it was the wrong building.
Speaker 3: Because it looks like a bank in the charity office.
Speaker 2: I don't know. He wasn't so to even the scales
Speaker 2: of justice. Yeah, he decided he'd give the money back
Speaker 2: to the charity the like stolen. He didn't want to
Speaker 2: get caught because if he gave it immediately back, they're like,
Speaker 2: this is exactly how much we have lost in the robbery.
Speaker 2: Find out who gave us this. So let's get some
Speaker 2: c CCTV cameras working. So instead he's like, I need
Speaker 2: to give it back to them in dribs and drabs.
Speaker 3: So and.
Speaker 2: As he tells it, I gave the charity incremental sums,
Speaker 2: starting with two hundred fifty pounds and eventually going up
Speaker 2: to seven hundred and fifty pounds. I was going to
Speaker 2: keep increasing the mound until I reached to about twenty
Speaker 2: thousand pounds.
Speaker 3: I was going to but then what happened.
Speaker 2: It didn't happen, Elizabeth. But if you're curious, how much
Speaker 2: did he manage to donate to the charity. Over his
Speaker 2: time as modern day Robin Hood, he donated two thousand pounds,
Speaker 2: which worked out to be about three thousand American dollars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: He's like, although, altogether I donated around two thousand pounds
Speaker 2: to charity, which doesn't sound like a lot, but my
Speaker 2: intention was to donate.
Speaker 3: More, it doesn't. That's okay, Yeah, to keep things what
Speaker 3: they say about the road to hell, yeah, like bricked lined,
Speaker 3: paved with them, so to keep things square un fair.
Speaker 2: Over the four months that he was hitting banks and
Speaker 2: bookies in towns like Wooster and Herefordshire and Exeter in
Speaker 2: his hometown of Devon, Steve and Jacklie managed to steal
Speaker 2: eleven thousand pounds, far short of his goal of one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand pounds, but that ain't nothing, and he donated
Speaker 2: two thousand of that. And now if you're curious how
Speaker 2: much that works out to be, that is not sixty percent, No, no,
Speaker 2: that is is far from it. That is about eighteen percent.
Speaker 3: Well, he's also missing the mark on that. You know
Speaker 3: he's aiming high. Yeah, he means he's shooting for the
Speaker 3: stars and landing in the dust bin.
Speaker 2: He did keep up, though, with his Robinhood fantasy, because
Speaker 2: even if he wasn't hitting his real world goals. At
Speaker 2: one point, as the press covered his crimes and he
Speaker 2: remained this unknown figure, a dangerous wanted man if you will,
Speaker 2: he stoked the flames of his status as an outlaw
Speaker 2: folk hero by writing a letter to the local newspaper
Speaker 2: like it's me. I'm the one, and this is what
Speaker 2: I think. At one point in the letter says I
Speaker 2: will continue to take from the rich and give to
Speaker 2: the poor. And he signed the letter, what ourh.
Speaker 3: That's more Zodiac than Robinhood.
Speaker 2: He also when he would rob banks, he would walk
Speaker 2: up to the teller, right, so he just wants whatever
Speaker 2: they have, so he would fill out or withdraw slip.
Speaker 2: That said, paying out slip account holder rob.
Speaker 3: Hood, Oh stop it, he's so pleased with him.
Speaker 2: His plans to donate his stolen proceeds to charity kind
Speaker 2: of fell by the wayside. Instead, he began to fantasize
Speaker 2: about getting his hands on a real gun so he
Speaker 2: can do some real bank robbery. He's like, I'm going
Speaker 2: to invest in some hardware.
Speaker 3: Oh no, he's going to pick up some World War
Speaker 3: two revolver.
Speaker 2: Well, he was so far from his one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: pound goal. He's like, I need to get bigger. I
Speaker 2: can't wear more outrageous outfit. My wig is not going
Speaker 2: to do anything for me. I need a hand cannon.
Speaker 2: So exactly, well, you know he had a pellic gun.
Speaker 2: He's like, what do I I need? Maybe if I
Speaker 2: scared them more, they would give me more, Like without
Speaker 2: going into the vault. Brother, he ain't getting much more anyway.
Speaker 2: At this point, time is still on his side because
Speaker 2: the police in the UK have no idea who he is.
Speaker 2: His stunner shades in his wig game have been working
Speaker 2: beautifully for him. He's just known that as this new
Speaker 2: outlaw folk here, Robinhood want to be that's bouncing around
Speaker 2: robbing anything he can't. They have a working theory that
Speaker 2: it's this Robinhood, but that's it. I don't have any
Speaker 2: idea of like what worre sholl we look what town
Speaker 2: is he in?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: He leaves no clues to his identity. He has nothing
Speaker 2: that as a trail that would lead back to him.
Speaker 2: But if we're being honest, it would only be a
Speaker 2: matter of time until he got caught because by now
Speaker 2: he's addicted to playing Robin Hood. He's separating from reality,
Speaker 2: he's untethering himself. Plus he could see that he was
Speaker 2: not the ethical criminal he wanted to be, So he's
Speaker 2: having an internal fight there as well. Sure, so let's
Speaker 2: take a little break, Elizabeth, and after these messages, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you how everything goes sideways for my man. Pretend
Speaker 2: Robin Hood. We're back, Elizabeth, We're back, Saron. How you
Speaker 2: enjoying the tales? You ready to hear how he got
Speaker 2: himself jacked up? I well, let's do this like like
Speaker 2: like Caesar got done by Brutus. Remember how I told
Speaker 2: you Stephen Jacklie had a diagnosis of having Asperger syndrome. Well,
Speaker 2: that would come somewhat into play for how and why
Speaker 2: he was eventually busted. An interview after the fact, Stephen
Speaker 2: Jacklie addressed how his Asperger's diagnosis affected his life in crime.
Speaker 2: And there have been studies about people who are on
Speaker 2: the spectrum doing crime and how it affected them and
Speaker 2: why I have driven them there.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting you mentioned this because I know two
Speaker 3: different people who had And now I think asked Burgers
Speaker 3: isn't really a diagnosis that's put onto the spectrum.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, from what I understand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they were both like at the time, diagnosed
Speaker 3: with it, and they each independently have this almost like
Speaker 3: Robin Hood's sensibility of like for the greater good and
Speaker 3: I'm going to take on like the bad guys. And
Speaker 3: in some cases it's like this hero kind of thing
Speaker 3: of like I'm going to step in on the street
Speaker 3: if I see someone being wrong totally, you know, it's
Speaker 3: fascinating and it's a good quality to have.
Speaker 2: The scales of justice are very forward in their mind.
Speaker 2: It's just like front and center. Yes, So when he
Speaker 2: was asked point blank about Asperger's and if it played
Speaker 2: a role in his crime career and his choice to
Speaker 2: become a real life Robinhood exactly said, it certainly played
Speaker 2: a role in so far as my inability to understand
Speaker 2: the effects of my actions upon others. I didn't thought
Speaker 2: about that part. Yeah, in the abstract, he wanted to
Speaker 2: be an outlaw folk hero, right. In the short term,
Speaker 2: it meant he had trouble seeing how his actions affected others,
Speaker 2: say emotionally, he didn't connect to like the terror in
Speaker 2: their faces, being like real terror of them. It was
Speaker 2: just like part of the gig, like, of course you're scared.
Speaker 2: I've got my gun in your face. He's not not
Speaker 2: thinking about of course you're scared.
Speaker 3: And they're not because they're not expressing it explicitly to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he said, quote, if I didn't have that,
Speaker 2: I think I would have had a better understood the
Speaker 2: emotional impact on people. Right. So I thought that was
Speaker 2: just an interesting point. But as for the greater good
Speaker 2: that he planned to do with his organization, that Scales
Speaker 2: of Justice part his looted funds, he never actually got
Speaker 2: around to that. The organization never came out to be.
Speaker 3: He never got to thought I was going to cut
Speaker 3: a check.
Speaker 2: The only money he gave to charity was some rolled
Speaker 2: up bank notes, and he gave to the homeless folks
Speaker 2: in the area full of cook with the rh Right.
Speaker 2: Then there was the money he gave back to the
Speaker 2: charity that he actually broke into, and that was it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he just gave back some money, he's told me, gave
Speaker 2: some homeless guys some like walking around cash. Meanwhile, though,
Speaker 2: he went on pursuing his Robinhood fantasy, and he dreamed
Speaker 2: of being able to carry out his future robberies had
Speaker 2: him to his hundred grund goal. And then he obviously,
Speaker 2: like I said, he needed a real gun. They no
Speaker 2: more pretend pistols, no pet guns look convincing. He wanted
Speaker 2: the real deal, like you know, something like Schwartzenegger or
Speaker 2: stallone eighties exactly in the UK. That'd be very difficult, right,
Speaker 2: But Stephen Jackie knew where they did sell guns to
Speaker 2: practically anyone who walked into a gun store, That's right,
Speaker 2: the good old us of.
Speaker 3: A Yeah, sure, so come on down.
Speaker 2: He used some of his stolen loot to buy himself
Speaker 2: a ticket to America to.
Speaker 3: Buy to bring it back.
Speaker 2: It was an investment, Elizabeth, So Steven he was going
Speaker 2: to smuggle a gun back into England. Coincidentally, he chose
Speaker 2: to fly over to New England to do his gun shopping. Well,
Speaker 2: he went from Old England to New England and he's like,
Speaker 2: how do I get a gun? This would turn out
Speaker 2: to be a fateful trip for Stephen Jackey. Rather than
Speaker 2: me tell you about it, Elizabeth, I'd like you to
Speaker 2: close your eyes closed to picture It's a lovely day
Speaker 2: in may and Waterbury, Vermont, and you've been enjoying it immensely.
Speaker 2: You began your day drinking from a drop of dew
Speaker 2: nestled in a flour blossom, and after that you spent
Speaker 2: your mid morning hours finding the perfect blade of grass.
Speaker 2: You wanted to find a spot that would allow you
Speaker 2: an easy jump at some lunch. You finally settled on
Speaker 2: a tall blade of switchgrass near to the parking lot
Speaker 2: of a gun shop in small towns Vermont. Now you
Speaker 2: sit and wait for a hot meal to pass by.
Speaker 2: Any mammal will do, since you are a blood drinking tick,
Speaker 2: a deer tick, to be specific. As you wait for
Speaker 2: lunch to go ambling by, you hear a promising sound.
Speaker 2: A car has parked near to where you linger on
Speaker 2: that blade of grass. You hear the door open, A
Speaker 2: footsteps out and scratches at the gravel of the gun
Speaker 2: shop parking lot. You spot your lunch, You time your jump,
Speaker 2: and just as the young man walks past the switch
Speaker 2: grass there at the edge of the parking lot, you leap,
Speaker 2: and you land not on flesh, but on his pantlet.
Speaker 2: No bother. You can scurry about until you find some
Speaker 2: warm flesh to feast on. Meanwhile, while the young man
Speaker 2: hustles into Paro's gun shop, that's the name of the place,
Speaker 2: Paro's Gun Shop. The door swings open and you're met
Speaker 2: by a blast of cool, cold, air conditioned air. The
Speaker 2: place has a musty smell and an overwhelming odor of
Speaker 2: gun oil. As you cling to the young man's pant leg,
Speaker 2: you cross the gun shop. The young man stops at
Speaker 2: a glass display case of handguns. There's all manner of
Speaker 2: firearms that compete for his attention. Meanwhile, you work your
Speaker 2: way down his pant leg, hoping he's wearing low socks.
Speaker 2: There's only a couple other folks in the rural gun store.
Speaker 2: The owner of the gun shop walks over. He asks
Speaker 2: the young man what he's looking for, and that's when
Speaker 2: you both hear it his English accent. Although it sounds
Speaker 2: like he's trying to do an American accent, it's just
Speaker 2: really bad, and his natural English accent shines through, especially
Speaker 2: on the vowels. The young man says he's looking for
Speaker 2: a real big handgun, something to scare a home intruder.
Speaker 2: But when he says it, it sounds like the word
Speaker 2: rhymes with Buddha, a home intruder. It sounds to your
Speaker 2: tiny ears like the gun store owner is a immediately
Speaker 2: suspicious of this Englishman looking to buy an American gun
Speaker 2: while using a terrible American accent. You pause at around
Speaker 2: mid ankle, frustrated to find he's wearing thick, tall wool
Speaker 2: hiking socks. As you gather the energy to traverse a
Speaker 2: thick woolen sock, you hear the gun store owner ask
Speaker 2: the young man, what do you need the gun for.
Speaker 2: He has the suspicious tone of a cop, which makes
Speaker 2: sense since he's a retired police officer. The young man
Speaker 2: says he's made one hundred pound bet that he could
Speaker 2: not buy a gun in Waterbury. He quickly corrects himself,
Speaker 2: I mean one hundred and fifty dollar bet. Yes, dollars
Speaker 2: US dollars. The gun store owner asks if the young
Speaker 2: man has any ID on him. The young man says,
Speaker 2: I should do, but the R sounds is all wrong.
Speaker 2: It sounds like he's swallowing the R. Even though you're
Speaker 2: just a hungry tick looking for some lunch. You wait
Speaker 2: to hear how this all plays out. The young man
Speaker 2: hands over his state ID. The gun store owner gives
Speaker 2: it the once over. The way he sighs and his
Speaker 2: breathing changes, you can tell his suspicions are growing. You
Speaker 2: hear the guns st owner say, well, let me phone
Speaker 2: in your ID to check it in. As long as
Speaker 2: it clears with the state, we can get you a
Speaker 2: handgun today. Now it's the young man's turn. He sort
Speaker 2: of stammers and says, all righty again. The r sound
Speaker 2: just doesn't sound right. The gun store owner walks off
Speaker 2: to use the phone. Although you can't hear it, he
Speaker 2: calls the police. The young man did hear it and
Speaker 2: has heard enough. He senses that the gun store owner
Speaker 2: is on to him, so he makes a break for it.
Speaker 2: He runs out of the gun shop, shoves open the door.
Speaker 2: You cling on for dear life as he sprints across
Speaker 2: the parking lot back to his car. He slides back
Speaker 2: into the driver's seat, shuts the door, starts the car
Speaker 2: in his hastey to get away. He floors it in
Speaker 2: reverse and slams into another park shop, probably the gun
Speaker 2: store owner's car. He changes gears as you grip tight
Speaker 2: to the wool sock. The young man mashes his foot
Speaker 2: down on the gas pedal. The car tears off, peeling out.
Speaker 2: The young man narrowly avoids traffic as he pulls out
Speaker 2: onto the road a car that he just misses gives
Speaker 2: an irritated hank to the horn. You wonder where you
Speaker 2: and this young man are now headed. You get an
Speaker 2: answer quickly, and the answer is not very far. About
Speaker 2: a mile down the road, police sireens sound and as
Speaker 2: they give chase, the young man in the now smashed
Speaker 2: up rental car pulls over to the side of the road.
Speaker 2: He failed to get his gun. Instead, looks like he's
Speaker 2: going to get a nice, cool jail cell all to himself.
Speaker 2: The local small town Vermont police tell him to step
Speaker 2: out of the car. He obliges, and you jump off
Speaker 2: his sock and decide to find a less dramatic lunch.
Speaker 2: My god, so there you go, Elizabeth. The Ballad of
Speaker 2: Robinhood Junior getting nabbed in America, goes to a gun
Speaker 2: star with a fake ID, tries to buy a gun,
Speaker 2: says it's for a bet with somebody. The gun owner
Speaker 2: is like, what are you talking about, right, and he's like, no,
Speaker 2: it's right, just right. I would just give me a gun.
Speaker 2: One are the big ones. And then they's like, hey,
Speaker 2: let me just call it. And then it didn't take
Speaker 2: a long They got nothing to do in Waterbury.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've never purchased a gun, but I would
Speaker 3: think that if I needed to do it under the radar.
Speaker 3: It's my understanding that it's looser at gun shows. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: And I wouldn't have gone into a gun shop like
Speaker 3: a pawn shop.
Speaker 2: Maybe they don't care as much, but like gun shows
Speaker 2: are the thing.
Speaker 3: That's the shows are the thing, and you just rock
Speaker 3: The English accents say you you.
Speaker 2: Know you're a collector.
Speaker 3: You've moved here, or you're a collector you've lived here.
Speaker 2: I like that too.
Speaker 3: I live here now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very scared of all your urban people.
Speaker 3: You people are terrifying. You're not right in the head,
Speaker 3: not one of you. And so I need to protect
Speaker 3: myself or you know, go somewhere in Europe and get
Speaker 3: one from like a he tried.
Speaker 2: He tried getting guns in He went up to Birmingham
Speaker 2: to get a gun and like it didn't work out.
Speaker 2: I think I couldn't get all the details on that part,
Speaker 2: but I think he did. He got jacked cash some
Speaker 2: geezer like Robin Hood. They used knife crime on him
Speaker 2: for his fake gun. So once he was in police custody,
Speaker 2: the offers pat down Stephen Jacklee. They frisk him to
Speaker 2: check his wallet. They discover his student ID card from
Speaker 2: the University of Wooster. So now the cops know that
Speaker 2: they're dealing with an Englishman and not a local, so
Speaker 2: they interview, or if you prefer, interrogate the suspects. Jacklee
Speaker 2: tells the Vermont detectives that he was just trying to
Speaker 2: buy a gun to win one hundred pound bet, I
Speaker 2: mean one hundred and fifty dollars, And the Vermont detectors
Speaker 2: are like, how much was that bet? And it's like,
Speaker 2: I said, one hundred and twenty five US dollars. I
Speaker 2: don't know what's exchange rate these days. So the cops
Speaker 2: were like, right, right, sure you do, So go on,
Speaker 2: tell us about this gun you wanted to buy. And
Speaker 2: he repeats the same story, and then when he's done,
Speaker 2: the Vermont detectives were like, so about these notes we
Speaker 2: found in your pockets and in your diary that outline
Speaker 2: plants for bank robberies. What's the story there?
Speaker 3: Wait, he went on the trip and brought all of
Speaker 3: his criming notes with you.
Speaker 2: He's got a ton of diaries, you know how, I
Speaker 2: got like a lot of note pats. But he's got that,
Speaker 2: so he would just jot down par light for this thing.
Speaker 2: Well he's on the plane, he's like jotting down somebody,
Speaker 2: you know if I go into.
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a time of the place.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. So, as one would say, legally speaking, the
Speaker 2: suspect was now screwed. Yeah, that's After talking the detectives,
Speaker 2: they charge them with leaving the scene of an accident
Speaker 2: and then trying to buy a gun without proper paperwork
Speaker 2: or something. I don't know exactly the charge in Vermont,
Speaker 2: but they get on the phone to the FBI, right
Speaker 2: and they're like, yo, should we call the ATF We
Speaker 2: call you guys. We got this kid who's over here
Speaker 2: trying to buy a gun, trying to smuggle back into
Speaker 2: the UK. And then also he's got like a bunch
Speaker 2: of fake id's and a bunch of bank robbery paperwork,
Speaker 2: but it looks like it's for the UK. So the
Speaker 2: FBI they reach out to police in the UK and
Speaker 2: they tell the Bobby's back in England about this crazy
Speaker 2: kid with all these notes about robbing banks, Like apparently
Speaker 2: he's a student at a University of Worcester and they're like,
Speaker 2: woo Street, you're right, yeah, okay, so then they go
Speaker 2: over and then they check, right, the UK cops, so
Speaker 2: actually the West Mercia police. Okay, they take a business
Speaker 2: trip over to the student housing and they search his
Speaker 2: flat and that's where the police find a ridiculous blonde wig,
Speaker 2: Audrey Hepburn, dark sunglasses, knives, a hammer, detailed notes outlining
Speaker 2: his plans for future bank robberies, as a as a
Speaker 2: cat named Detective Inspector Fox of the UK reported it
Speaker 2: to local reporters. We were made aware of Jackie win
Speaker 2: FBO officers dealing with him for firearms offenses, including attempting
Speaker 2: to buy a gun in America, recovered a diary from
Speaker 2: him which suggested he may have committed offenses in the UK.
Speaker 2: We then conducted searches at his Wooster University residents and
Speaker 2: premises in London. As Devin and Cornwall Constabulary searched his
Speaker 2: home and dress, items were recovered that linked Jacklee to
Speaker 2: numerous offenses including replica guns, knives, botta Clava's demand notes,
Speaker 2: disguises and of course has written notes in diaries detailing
Speaker 2: his offending.
Speaker 3: So they find just a cache of evidence amazing.
Speaker 2: For instance, in his crime diary, one of his entries
Speaker 2: recorded his attempt to buy a gun. As I said,
Speaker 2: back in England, he took a trip to Birmingham. He
Speaker 2: had seven hundred and fifty pounds on him, and then
Speaker 2: once he tried to get the gun, he would head
Speaker 2: over to a bank, kidnap the staff and rob the place.
Speaker 2: But he wasn't able to get the gun. And I
Speaker 2: think at your point is he got jack for the seven.
Speaker 3: So he then went home and journaled it out. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wrote down therapy he went to, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then when he went to America, he also journaled all
Speaker 2: of that, like I'm going to go to this gun
Speaker 2: store and I'm going to buy a gun and it's
Speaker 2: going to look like this. He either wrote about the
Speaker 2: stuff he had done, stuff he was going to do,
Speaker 2: stuff he wanted to do. It was all there. They
Speaker 2: had all of it right. And also, by the way,
Speaker 2: when the cops were searching his dorm, his student housing,
Speaker 2: they found a homemade bomb. Oh yeah, but it was fake.
Speaker 2: It was something that Jackie said was the result of
Speaker 2: the fact he was I was drunk and high when
Speaker 2: I decided to keep it in my room. I don't
Speaker 2: know if it sounded like he was a homemade bomb
Speaker 2: he made and not like a World War two munitions
Speaker 2: that he liked. Yes, fake, yeah, was it like the
Speaker 2: But the West Mercy of Police didn't know that. When
Speaker 2: they see it, it looks totally it was like.
Speaker 3: Three empty toilet paper rolls like duct taped together within
Speaker 3: like some speaker wire coming out of it.
Speaker 2: That'd be amazing, But I think it was more like
Speaker 2: one of those like crock pots, you.
Speaker 3: Know, like cooker preussure cooker like legit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly like Boston Marathon style.
Speaker 3: I think it's like he pulled a key pad off.
Speaker 2: Of that would be good, like a cartoon character to
Speaker 2: a bunch of like fake dynamite.
Speaker 3: A couple of bottle like plastic bottles of.
Speaker 2: Some road flares. So yeah, well, the West Mercy of
Speaker 2: Police they had to evacuate the area, calling the bomb squad,
Speaker 2: and the students living in the Wyvern and Bread and
Speaker 2: blocks of flats which are on the campus were evacuated
Speaker 2: for more than five hours and the Explosive Ordinance Disposal
Speaker 2: Unit was called in. So after it's all settled and
Speaker 2: done with the fake bomb, the UK police they go
Speaker 2: into Jacquie's place. They harvest all the evidence and this
Speaker 2: is all the evidence they need to solve the case
Speaker 2: of the Robin Hood Bandit well done, so they have
Speaker 2: all the evidence they need on them. Right, it's a
Speaker 2: case open and now case immediately close. So it's just
Speaker 2: page after page of diary notes from the crime career
Speaker 2: of the modern day Robin Hood.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: So at this point, now before the UK can get
Speaker 2: justice and take him to trial, the folks in the
Speaker 2: US were like, no, no, he's here. We want to
Speaker 2: get our taste of justice first. So the US refuses
Speaker 2: to send him back to the England. Right, America wants
Speaker 2: some American justice for trying to buy a gun in Vermont,
Speaker 2: Elizabeth even do it, No, but he tried. That's good enough.
Speaker 2: So his trial he goes. They take him to Vermont's
Speaker 2: Southern State Correctional Facility and he arrived right with the
Speaker 2: like the reputation of this master criminal. So at that point,
Speaker 2: the head of security for this place, Mark putanis he said,
Speaker 2: I was told that he had very sophisticated abilities and
Speaker 2: that escape should be at the forefront of my mind
Speaker 2: when dealing with him. He was considered such an escape risk.
Speaker 2: There were very few prisoners we worried about to the
Speaker 2: extent that we worried about him. He was basically on lockdown.
Speaker 3: Wait where did they get that?
Speaker 2: Because of his diaries? His plans were so elaborate, he's
Speaker 2: so like self aggrandizing. They're like, there must be a
Speaker 2: master criminal. He's real good. So this point, now Stephen
Speaker 2: Jacklie gets to know the FBI, so they keep showing
Speaker 2: up trying to get him to talk, like where'd you
Speaker 2: learn all this? Are you part of like a major
Speaker 2: international organization? Who was the organization you're talking about? So
Speaker 2: this one guy, specially Agent Scott Murray, right, he had
Speaker 2: met him the day he was arrested in May of
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, and so he then becomes like
Speaker 2: his point person. So he's visiting him in prison. And
Speaker 2: the way he put it is, I do a lot
Speaker 2: than devolves firearms and explosives. Every case is different, but
Speaker 2: this one is memorable. I guess that's just the best
Speaker 2: way to put it. Like everyone was just so geeked
Speaker 2: by this Robin Hood, who's a master international criminal apparently,
Speaker 2: So imagine him this in this interrogation room at Vermont's
Speaker 2: Southern State Correctional Facility. And now we got special Agent
Speaker 2: Scott Murray sitting across the desk from this twenty two
Speaker 2: year old former geography student turned international man of mystery
Speaker 2: with an Interpol warrant, right he would he would explain
Speaker 2: to the college kid from Mooster who the FBI were,
Speaker 2: what they did for a living, because he hasn't known
Speaker 2: any of this, he's not from America.
Speaker 3: He's like, I think I see a lot American team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, are you guys like the Federal I
Speaker 2: don't know how this is like a thing, yeah, like
Speaker 2: what are we doing here? So, especially Agent Murray then
Speaker 2: drops copies of all the evidence they have against Jacklie.
Speaker 2: So they're photocopies primarily of his crime diary, and then
Speaker 2: there was additional journals from his student housing back in
Speaker 2: the UK that they like faxed over, So they're all
Speaker 2: the detailed plans for the bank robbery. So he's trying
Speaker 2: to get him to talk, like you know, it's open up,
Speaker 2: maybe like get you some justice. So there's all sorts
Speaker 2: of strange series of numbers and dates and coded language.
Speaker 2: They're like, is this like how you communicate with your
Speaker 2: international cabal and like So it turns out that no,
Speaker 2: it was just him eventually he drops this. He does
Speaker 2: like a like I don't know, imagine like a Pirouet turn.
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, here you go, and what about this
Speaker 2: last one? And he drops the photo copy that he'd
Speaker 2: received from his you know, colleagues overseas. It's a photocopy
Speaker 2: of a British bank note and scribbled on it were
Speaker 2: just two letters r H. And he's like, what is this?
Speaker 2: What is this all about? This is a code name,
Speaker 2: because like they were still like, you know, the UK
Speaker 2: cops were fairly certain it was Robin Hood, but they
Speaker 2: he had not said it, he'd not confirmed it, so
Speaker 2: they wanted confirmation. So Special Agent Murray's like, what does
Speaker 2: this mean? R H? And Jackie looked at him and
Speaker 2: he's like, Robin Hood or as I prefer, rob Hood.
Speaker 3: And they are just like such a door.
Speaker 2: So no matter. He couldn't crack this kid's edifice though,
Speaker 2: because he wouldn't, he would not talk at all. He said,
Speaker 2: I never felt I got a scope of who he is.
Speaker 2: So once he's done, he uh with you know, his
Speaker 2: early interrogations. He gets tried, convicted, He does ten months
Speaker 2: stretch in federal.
Speaker 3: Prison, federal prison, and for what were the guard.
Speaker 2: For the attempting to buy a gun. I don't know
Speaker 2: why this is such a big deal. But also then
Speaker 2: obviously running from the place the high speed car chase
Speaker 2: into a gun store owner's car. I mean they tacked
Speaker 2: him together. Right, So, as Jackie put it, it was terrible,
Speaker 2: no other worst to describe it. It was the worst experience.
Speaker 2: My relationship with fellow prisoners was really difficult because of
Speaker 2: my aspergers. I find it difficult to get on with people.
Speaker 2: The fact I was moved to about twenty prisons didn't help,
Speaker 2: So I think, let's say that's an exaggeration, right, Let's
Speaker 2: say it was ten prisons in ten months. So after
Speaker 2: his two of America's finest federal facilities the law back
Speaker 2: in the UK, they get their hands on the Robin
Speaker 2: and bank robber, the West Mercy of Police. They think
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to extra at him because the Americans
Speaker 2: just will not give him up. Come on, give us
Speaker 2: our guy we want. We got the press, keep the
Speaker 2: daily mails, call me every day for Christ's sake. So
Speaker 2: they finally send him back. Right, He's taken to the
Speaker 2: Wooster police station and they get this master criminal to
Speaker 2: explain about how he's been hitting the banks, the bookies
Speaker 2: and what have you, the local charity shops. So Detective
Speaker 2: Inspector Jim Fox died Fox and Fox right. I thought
Speaker 2: this nice full circle exactly. So the complexities of the
Speaker 2: case continued as we could not interview xactly due to
Speaker 2: legal restrictions and had to prepariphile that proved every aspect
Speaker 2: of our case against him, down to handwriting analysis to
Speaker 2: prove the diaries were his and obtaining DNA and fingerprints
Speaker 2: from the USA. It was such a well prepared case
Speaker 2: that we were confident of a guilty plea due to
Speaker 2: the overwhelming evidence.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, he boxed it up for you pretty much.
Speaker 2: They had it all and then they have the ten
Speaker 2: month head start until he gets back. So when he
Speaker 2: gets back, he faces twenty one different charges. No boy,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it comes down to five armed robberies, three
Speaker 2: attempted armed robberies, seven firearms offenses in relation to the robberies,
Speaker 2: the assault occasioning actual bodily harm, and finally one attempted
Speaker 2: burglary of a bank and one burgley. I assume that's
Speaker 2: the charity shop. Sure, yeah, So all during his trial
Speaker 2: he confesses to doing the jobs he did for practice.
Speaker 2: Then also he mentioned that he was in the Netherlands
Speaker 2: he pulled a knife point robbery and then he fled
Speaker 2: back to England. He was never caught for that one,
Speaker 2: and since it was in the Netherlands, the British were like,
Speaker 2: we'll give you that one for free. So meanwhile, the
Speaker 2: judge is not particularly moved by his whole robin hood thing.
Speaker 2: He's like, he doesn't find that cute. Apparently he has
Speaker 2: grandkids or whatever. He's like, I don't I'm not going
Speaker 2: for this whole robbin hood thing. Was he stopped playing
Speaker 2: dress up and scaring people or working for a living.
Speaker 2: So he said that his activity had no beneficiaries but himself,
Speaker 2: although in just one incident that delivered cash to a
Speaker 2: charity shop that he had damaged during its attempts to
Speaker 2: gain entry to an adjoining bank, he'd also stolen items
Speaker 2: from that same charity shop, so he threw the book
Speaker 2: at him. Jackie eventually pleads guilty to eighteen of the
Speaker 2: twenty one charges, convicted to a twelve year stretch and
Speaker 2: British prisons. His sentence was later shortened after he appealed,
Speaker 2: and so he peeled on grounds of his Asperger syndrome
Speaker 2: affecting him, and then the London Criminal Appeal Court ruled
Speaker 2: that he lacked full quote awareness of the consequences of
Speaker 2: his actions and therefore his culpability to have been significantly impaired. Right,
Speaker 2: So I got to keep that in my back pocket
Speaker 2: if I ever get into legal trouble in the UK,
Speaker 2: Your honor, we consider the fact I'm kind of aspy,
Speaker 2: like seriously, I mean, no, I don't have a professional diagnosis.
Speaker 2: It's just something people say about me. But I think
Speaker 2: that we should introduce so anyway, Stephen Jacklie gets released
Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen after doing five of the twelve years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, while he was inside, Jackie did what he
Speaker 2: did best. He compulsively wrote down his thoughts and when
Speaker 2: he was released he had a whole book ready to go.
Speaker 2: And as Reli said time and time again, yes, prison
Speaker 2: is apparently the best writing group there is. It is
Speaker 2: so many book deals come out of prison. Jackly, though
Speaker 2: true to his nature, set up his own publishing company
Speaker 2: because he was still very much an anti capitalist. He
Speaker 2: stayed true to his ethical stance and he gave himself
Speaker 2: a book deal. There you go, Elizabeth what's a ridiculous takeaway?
Speaker 3: My goodness, don't take notes the right Stop journaling. Everybody,
Speaker 3: stop journaling. You're all incriminating yourselves. Oh you think even
Speaker 3: if you're like, this is this is these are my
Speaker 3: emotions for the day. Crimes top in the old cranium.
Speaker 2: Interesting. You know, I think that I journal journal. I
Speaker 2: put a lot of notes down journal. I wouldn't say
Speaker 2: that it's a journal, but I have a lot of notes.
Speaker 2: But like, people just look at this, They're like, what
Speaker 2: is this crackpot math that I'm looking saying.
Speaker 3: I've seen one of your notebooks. I've peaked over your
Speaker 3: should it's just mass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, there's nothing numbers like I could be. I
Speaker 2: could be like, you know, I think indicted by like
Speaker 2: the the annals of math. Journal.
Speaker 3: Don't many ideas.
Speaker 2: But there you go. That's my ridiculous takeaway. Don't give
Speaker 2: me any ideas.
Speaker 3: Don't give many ideas.
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