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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey Elizabeth, look at you so glad to see you.

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Speaker 2: I got a question for that smile and face.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do. I do. I love garlic. We know that.

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Speaker 3: I know that, you know that.

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Speaker 2: You even have clothing that says that.

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Speaker 3: My neighbors know that I love garlic. And I don't

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Speaker 3: care if I smell like garlic.

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Speaker 2: I thought that's half the pleasure. I kind of is

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Speaker 2: like a bubble of like.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's like there are two things when you're cooking

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Speaker 3: and baking, like if it says add a teaspoon of

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Speaker 3: vanilla and four okay, And if it says add for

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Speaker 3: clothes of garlic, like add ahead of garlic.

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Speaker 2: Ah, that's till like sixteen cloves.

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Speaker 3: Pretty much. That's just the Those are the like unwritten

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Speaker 3: rules of of food fixers.

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Speaker 2: You got a heavy finger with the garlic.

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Speaker 3: I like that, Yes, exactly. So you would think one

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Speaker 3: would think that if there was a garlic product, I'd

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Speaker 3: be like all about it.

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Speaker 2: We were on such a good no, no, just hold on,

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Speaker 2: hold on.

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Speaker 3: Because like I went to the store and there was

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Speaker 3: the best foods otherwise known as Hellman's on the other

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Speaker 3: side of they do a garlic ali. It does not

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Speaker 3: taste good.

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Speaker 2: That's the same company.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did not know many.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, learn something new every day.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like dryers and uh, what is it? Eaties?

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Speaker 3: Sure that that you know? Continental divide Carls Junior. We're

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Speaker 3: a nation divided. Yeah, AnyWho best foods? Garlic Ali not good.

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Speaker 3: So I apologize to them. If they want to make

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Speaker 3: it right with me, fine.

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Speaker 2: I'm taking notes. Not good.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm just a food snob and I like

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Speaker 3: it homemade. Aside from that, so a lot of our

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Speaker 3: listeners were like, tell Elizabeth, I know she likes garlic,

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Speaker 3: and I know that there are some things that really

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Speaker 3: irritate the snot out of her. This is both Oh.

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Speaker 2: They're finally getting you. Yeah, thank you guys, dudes, you night.

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Speaker 3: So apparently I'm not on TikTok. There's book talk, yeah,

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Speaker 3: which I guess is when people talk about books on

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Speaker 3: TikTok when they should be actually just reading the books.

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Speaker 3: But aside from that, there's an author, Jennifer l Arman Trout,

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Speaker 3: and I think she writes like, I don't know, vampire

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Speaker 3: books cool. She has a title that's coming out, The

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Speaker 3: Primal of Blood and Bone, which just like you know

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Speaker 3: me and fantasy books like vampires and dragons, kind of

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Speaker 3: like stay far away. Yeah, that's my that's my garlic.

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Speaker 3: Where I a vampire? Anyway, I'm dragging this off way

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Speaker 3: too long. So so this lady, she's got a book

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Speaker 3: coming out. She teamed up with Hellman's What I Know

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Speaker 3: Stop and they made a special edition garlic scented copy

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Speaker 3: of her book that is infused with Hellman's garlic aoli

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Speaker 3: create a one of a kind craven proof books. So

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Speaker 3: Craven must be a character who's like a vampire.

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Speaker 2: This sounds like it the books.

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Speaker 3: Seeking another worldly experience, fire bound by flavor. This garlic

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Speaker 3: scented special edition is juicy enough to sink your teeth

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Speaker 3: right in. Take a closer look at all the fine details,

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Speaker 3: warning it will consume you. And then I have this

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Speaker 3: thing like a front plate like in the book. This

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Speaker 3: van pre repelling special edition of The Primal of Blood

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Speaker 3: and Bone was printed using garlic aoli infused ink. It

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Speaker 3: was meticulously crafted to repel nocturnal nibblers, specifically the ugly

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Speaker 3: creepy kind. So the book's going to spank, and not

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Speaker 3: in a good way. If it's this garlic AILI from Helmet,

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Speaker 3: it's greasy. Why I don't know, but the whole thing

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Speaker 3: is greasy and you can't you can't do that.

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Speaker 2: Why would anyone want?

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Speaker 3: Well, because it's the people who are like, I'm quirky.

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Speaker 3: Are we going to go to a book fair and

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Speaker 3: sign it one?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 3: Oh? They do? These people, these people out there, that's

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Speaker 3: wowd you just need to eat more garlic, drink more

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Speaker 3: vanilla extract. I don't know when.

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Speaker 2: Will the mashup culture and when will it come home

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Speaker 2: from the war?

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Speaker 3: Never insummation your honor. That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to give you that one. I don't even

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Speaker 3: It was just like I kept getting that's forwarded to

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Speaker 3: be forwarded to me, and I was like, deep sigh, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Eventually they're going to push you onto my side.

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Speaker 3: Of They are they are that they're writing a strongly

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Speaker 3: worded letters to these corporations.

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Speaker 2: Dear mister mashups, stop it.

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Speaker 3: Dear mister Hellman, dear admiral.

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Speaker 2: Help today. I want to tell you a story. Yes please,

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Speaker 2: I don't even think it's nearly as ridiculous. It's ridiculous,

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Speaker 3: Adulous like garlic.

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Speaker 2: No, but it is medieval. It will get medieval on you.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 2: I want to tell you a story about a crimer

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Speaker 2: who you could say was partly inspired by a cartoon Fox.

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Speaker 3: Wait.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and

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Speaker 2: outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's always ninety nine percent

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Speaker 2: I mentioned up top how today's crimeer may have been

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Speaker 2: partly inspired by a cartoon Fox. You want to take

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Speaker 2: a guess at which cartoon? Fox?

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Speaker 3: I mean, is it the animated Robin Hood?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's fine singing.

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Speaker 2: Well, did you and your brother watch that one? Like

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Speaker 2: way my sister and I watched it.

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Speaker 3: Huh?

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Speaker 2: I mean we wore that tape out?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I knew all of the songs completely. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, fun fact. That movie came out in nineteen seventy three.

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Speaker 2: It was the first animated film made by Disney after

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Speaker 2: and it was also the first animated Disney movie to

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Speaker 2: feature no human characters. I know. I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: So the film features a bunch of my favorites in

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Speaker 2: the cast. There's the minstrel Allan A. Dale. The rooster

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Speaker 2: is played by Roger Miller aka King of the Row Sanger.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it also stars one of my all time

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Speaker 2: favorite performers, Phil Harris, as the cartoon bear sidekick Little John.

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Speaker 2: For those who don't know, Phil Harris used to play

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Speaker 2: just love his voice, his whole vibe. I mean, come on, anyway.

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Speaker 3: Who is the King in the Louis Prima?

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Speaker 2: Oh the King? Oh? The King is Peter Houston off

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Speaker 2: He did put in the King. Yeah, and apparently the

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Speaker 2: the Swingers the Jungle vip. Well, he expected to get

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Speaker 2: a role in Disney's Robin Hood and they were like, hey,

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Speaker 2: steamed about it. He recorded a whole album about it

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Speaker 2: called Let's Hear It for robin Hood, and then he

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Speaker 2: went he sold that album to Disneyland Records, which I

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Speaker 3: So he wrote his own songs about the movie. Yes,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't like distracks and.

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Speaker 2: It was used in the movie.

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Speaker 3: It was just so you could stumble upon it and

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Speaker 2: Store and oh yeah, and they're like, wait a minute,

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Speaker 3: It's like a jet and he's important.

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Speaker 2: Exactly like what we doing.

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Speaker 3: In the world. That's amazing.

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Speaker 2: That's how mad you was. So yeah, the fun fact

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Speaker 2: just for you, Elizabeth. Yeah, as you kind of intimated earlier,

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Speaker 2: Disney's Robinhood was a major early inspiration for some of

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Speaker 2: your faves. The furries. They think of the cartoon Fox

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Speaker 3: Now I told you about my evolution on first, yes,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've made this public.

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Speaker 3: Okay. So my whole thing with furries is they irritated

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Speaker 3: We got bigger fish to fry, like you don't have

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Speaker 3: I'm letting go of that, and it makes them happy

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Speaker 2: And get taught.

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Speaker 3: I take a deep breath and I go, you know

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Speaker 3: what you do? You? I love that for you.

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Speaker 2: There you go as one of them as well as.

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Speaker 3: You're not trashing a hotel. Now that's right across the line.

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Speaker 3: But you know you want to dress up and stick

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Speaker 3: yourself out. Sure they do. I've seen it.

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Speaker 2: Well that's my football coach used to say. You point

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Speaker 2: a finger. Three fingers are pointing back at you over exactly.

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Speaker 3: No, I highly recommend if you get super annoyed with

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Speaker 3: something and you think it's like why am I like, investigate,

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Speaker 3: sit on it for a while, think about it. I

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Speaker 3: like that it might not be an answer that you're

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Speaker 3: we live and learn.

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Speaker 2: You do grow every day that way.

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Speaker 3: Gross.

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Speaker 2: No, for the record, as far as like whether robinhood

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that ate like the late Gen X. That's like

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Speaker 2: no question, Elizabeth. Do you know which movie came out

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Speaker 3: That's right, Kevin Costner, Yes, in Robinhood. Princis there It

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Speaker 2: So anyway, they're also in That was Mary Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yes, I thought we were moving forward.

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Speaker 2: No, no, we're moving backwards. Okay, cool, So okay, I

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Speaker 3: Point bright Brooks right, Robin.

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Speaker 2: No, that was nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 3: There was another robin Hood. Yes.

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Speaker 2: The reason why Robinhood is called robin Hood Prince of

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Speaker 2: It starred Uma Thurman as Maid Marion.

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Speaker 2: I think Patrick Bergen was his name.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good that now we know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now we know that one came out in May. Well,

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Speaker 2: the Kevin Costner version came out in June, so they

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Speaker 3: A whole It was like an asteroid movie.

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Speaker 2: But there you go, deep impact and army.

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Speaker 3: Guess I'm getting it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. Now have you seen the other more

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Speaker 2: you saw that? Yeah, I was curious. I looked it up.

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Speaker 2: How many robin Hood movies are there? And it's kind

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Speaker 3: Nineteen forties, good, guess we were a world at wars there, No, we.

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Speaker 2: Saron what's with all the fun facts and trivia questions

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Speaker 2: This dude wanted to be a real life, actual factual Robinhood.

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Speaker 2: Like he didn't go into crime to get rich. He

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 2: He legit robbed from the rich to give to the poor,

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Speaker 3: Did you also have one that said, like, it's it's

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Speaker 2: No, I wasn't that kind of guy. I was like snarky,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't remember what it was. Today's

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Speaker 2: Today's primer is a British cat named Stephen George Dennis Jackie.

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Speaker 3: Stephen George Dennis Jackie.

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Speaker 2: There will not be a quiz at the end. Stephen

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Speaker 2: Jackie he was. He was from the South Devon Coast,

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Speaker 2: So as a result of his parents and his perennial shyness,

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Speaker 2: young Stephen retreated into fantasies. He was this highly moral,

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Speaker 2: So I don't know what the monk told him, but

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Speaker 2: just grip his mind. Right. Eventually, he left his childhood

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Speaker 2: gooder like by man Robin Hood Nice, And he did that,

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Speaker 2: I will tell you about the crime career of Stephen Jackly. Elizabeth,

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Speaker 3: He's imaginary.

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Speaker 2: No, No, he's totally real, and he's not me. This

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Speaker 2: fantasies of becoming an outlaw folk hero, because you know

440
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 2: how cocaine is. It's like, hey, man, you know what

441
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do. I'm going to become a hell maybe

442
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 2: a smoke pot. He's like, yeah, I love that idea.

443
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 2: Like they're both telling him the same thing. But what

444
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 2: do I know. What I do know is this Elizabeth

445
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 2: In two thousand and seven, while he was studying geography

446
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 2: at the University of Wooster, he decides it's time to

447
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 2: start pulling my ethical crimes. He's twenty one years old

448
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 2: at the time. He's living in the dorms on campus,

449
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,919
Speaker 2: really student housing, it's not exactly the dorms, and he

450
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to become a real life Robin

451
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 2: Hood now you can believe it. The very next year,

452
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight, there was this huge worldwide

453
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 2: financial crash and melt down, and it was already starting

454
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 2: to happen in two thousand and seven. We dated in

455
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, but it was it was very evident,

456
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 2: and so this threw a ton of fuel onto his

457
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 2: righteous fire that was already burning inside of him. So like,

458
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 2: while other students are going out and like making placards

459
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 2: to march and attend protests and and you know, like

460
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 2: argue against the wealth inequalities of the world and like,

461
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 2: you know, shout about this insatiable greed of bankers. Stephen

462
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 2: Jackie's like, I'm going to steal their money.

463
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna cut to the chase right to it, right.

464
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 2: So to do this obviously, He's like, I will be

465
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 2: a college student by day, robin Hood by night.

466
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,479
Speaker 3: And he still doesn't have a whole lot of friends

467
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 3: right now.

468
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 2: No, I should be clear about him deciding to become

469
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 2: a real life Robinhood. Like, I don't mean he started

470
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 2: wearing green tights in imagine greenfelt.

471
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 3: Hat is a shame.

472
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, No, he was as fun as that would

473
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 2: have been. He kept it low pro, right, he well,

474
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 2: I'll get to that a second, not exactly low pro.

475
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 2: But he didn't wear the Robinhood uniform. I'll just put

476
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 2: it that, okay, Okay. I should also probably mentioned that

477
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 2: Stephen Jackie's moral wreckted to was partly motivated, at least

478
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 2: by everything I read, by his Asperger syndrome.

479
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 3: Okay.

480
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 2: He was suspected that his Asperger syndrome partly motivated him

481
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 2: to want to right society's wrongs to balance the scale

482
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 2: he gave him this moral like fiber. Now years later,

483
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 2: looking back at what became, you know what he became?

484
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 2: Rather in his university years, Stephen Jacklie. He wrote this

485
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 2: letter to a newspaper, the Sunday Mercury, and he reconsidered

486
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 2: what he was thinking at the time, and as he

487
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: told his Sunday Mercury, it became apparent I could fulfill

488
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 2: the role of a hero, following in the footsteps of

489
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 2: a legend who had broken the law to bring wealth

490
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 2: and justice to the people. I could become a modern

491
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 2: day Robin Hood. He also addressed his motivations, his ethical

492
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 2: motivations that are more modern. He said, quote capitalism and

493
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: the unregulated market economy is responsible for immense human inequality.

494
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 2: It is driven and continues to drive a widening gulf

495
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 2: between the rich and the poor. I made a promise, nay,

496
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 2: a vow to change things, to make a difference.

497
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 3: All right, God, you get the feeling right.

498
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 2: Like he wants to make a lasting difference. What would

499
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 2: be a lasting difference? Great question, As he explained, drastic, unprecedented,

500
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: courageous actions were required. But for every goal and dream,

501
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 2: there is one crucial ingredient needed to bring it to fruition.

502
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 2: It's the same ingredient that all human endeavors require, regardless

503
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 2: of effort or need. Yes, money was widlicked. So he's

504
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 2: not like your man Willy Sutton. Right, He's like, why

505
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 2: do you rob banks? Willy? Why? Because that's about the money.

506
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 2: So Stephen Jackley, he's like another man might have taken

507
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: a road of reason getting a job or beginning a

508
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: career that would be a pathway to accomplishment. Many would

509
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: have simply have accepted that they could make no difference,

510
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: or that ultimately it wasn't the worth the effort. In youth,

511
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: self centered desires take priority fast cars, pretty women, drugs,

512
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: and drink. Even when the survival of humanity is at

513
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: stake the future of their families. Most people do not

514
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 2: take active steps to change things. They simply ignore the

515
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 2: impending crisis, accept it, or don't do enough. Not my

516
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 2: man Stephen jacks.

517
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 3: But I mean, he's like, oh, y'all don't do enough.

518
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 3: But I'm still gonna do the drugs and do enough.

519
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 3: I was like, you guys are out there doing drugs.

520
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 2: Keep that in mind.

521
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: Yes, I still do it.

522
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 2: He's like, he says, another point. Day by day, I

523
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 2: could feel the rails vibrating. I think he means metaphorically.

524
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: Day by day I was aware of what could, what

525
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: would happen, and then it's fate would have it. One

526
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: day it did happen. In the autumn of two thousand

527
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: and seven, he became Robin Hood.

528
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 3: Good for him.

529
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 2: So at the first the cops in the UK, they

530
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 2: were confused by this sudden appearance of this new bank

531
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: rubber on the scene, this man who seemed to work alone,

532
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: man who was armed and dangerous, but he was also

533
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: a very sophisticated kind of professional thief. No, I should

534
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 2: be clear. To disguise himself, our new outlaw folk hero

535
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 2: in training. He employed a pair of dark, oversized sunglasses.

536
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: I'm talking like, imagine like Audrey Dunner shades totally, but

537
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: more like Audrey Hepburn shades. Yeah right, so big yeah,

538
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: big dad so. And then also he we like to uh.

539
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 2: He favored a rather outrageous blonde wig like I'm picturing

540
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: like a Dolly Parton number.

541
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 3: Oh you're seeing it go high. I'm going long and scraggling.

542
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 2: Long, scraggly high, deep and wide. I mean, it was

543
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 2: just all the descriptions.

544
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 3: For deep Mountain high. Is it like Dolly Parton like

545
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 3: the I don't think.

546
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 2: Like taller the hair, I don't think like Dacas. No,

547
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 2: I'm thinking like maybe in B fifty twos. Let's go

548
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: with that. That's kind of fun, but it's more of

549
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: a bee hive. Yeah, I'm thinking it had some more length,

550
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: like shoulder length hair.

551
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 3: Okay, let's place it somewhere in like Tampa Bay newscaster

552
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty five.

553
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: Boom, there it is.

554
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, settled almost on a man, almost a prince valiant.

555
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, good point, Yeah, very good. So at this point,

556
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: all this has nothing to do with robinhood, right, No,

557
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: little greenfelt had for this brother. No, but it did

558
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 2: allow him to have a you know, a costume, one

559
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: would say, a way to disguise himself. Now, looking for

560
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: an early taste of success, he tried to wrap like

561
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: a bank courier outside the bank. He's like, just one

562
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: on one, me and him. Right, it shows up armed

563
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 2: with a knife and a pellet gun. Oh, which must

564
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: not have looked very convincing because the courrier was like,

565
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: piss off. Nice. He's like, all right, So he decided

566
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: letast start out with easier targets. Maybe get some practice

567
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 2: under my belt. Or so he decided to hit a bookie,

568
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 2: like a bookie spot, you know, like in the UK

569
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 2: they have those like bookiey houses or usual shop makers.

570
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

571
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: So for one of his earliest successful robberies, he walks

572
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 2: into a bookie like one of those betting shops, and

573
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: he was like armed with a hammer and a knife.

574
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 3: Like one of the like storefront styles.

575
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I imagine, but I also imagine kind of like

576
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 2: the storefront type like you'd find in a guy Ritchie film.

577
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you see him, there's just like yeah, countertops.

578
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 2: Yes, it's exactly high. Countertops are like a woman working

579
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: there with a bit of an attitude. Sure, all right,

580
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: So he tells the two clerks working.

581
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 3: There, I'm sorry, he had a hammer, hammer and.

582
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: A knife and a nice shows up. I got one

583
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: for each of you.

584
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 3: Break an ice block.

585
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, he's nuts. Okay, so this is not

586
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: going to end well. So he tells the two clerks

587
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: working that they need to stuff his backpack with cash

588
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: or else. Yea, they decided they didn't want to learn

589
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: more about the orls. They looked at the hammer like

590
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: that's good enough. Yeah, and then they stuffed eight hundred

591
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: and twenty five pounds in his backpack and he called

592
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 2: it good okay, big successful first robber, one of his

593
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: first robbery. That his confidence now is like you know,

594
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: modern day Robinhood surges. He decides, I'm gonna now Robin

595
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: actual bank.

596
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a baby steps job.

597
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, work your way up, so you know, you gotta

598
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: walk before you run. So to hit the bankers, he

599
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: broke in with his imitation gun, his outrageous blonde wig,

600
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: his oversized dark sunglasses. He would move quick, no time

601
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: wasted like in the vaults. Nope, he just demanded money

602
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: from the bank tellers, whatever they had in his drawers.

603
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: Then he would be gone within ninety seconds and he's

604
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: out right. So by the time the police arrived, there's

605
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: just nothing but like, you know, whispers of who was

606
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 2: just here? Who was that mask man? So his motos

607
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: operandi was to basically hit banks in the Midlands area

608
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: of the UK and yeah, there you go, and he

609
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: would bust into a bank and a daring daytime stick up.

610
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: He'd brandish a handgun, but don't worry, no one would

611
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: ever or could get hurt since it was an imitation gun. Yeah, right,

612
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: So it's like unless you, you know, get shot with

613
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: a pellet. But the bank tellers they don't know this,

614
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: so they would like, you know, like you no, exactly.

615
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: A lot of people haven't really seen a gun pointed

616
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: at them. They don't know what a gun looks like

617
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: outside of a movie.

618
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: Imagine in crimes, you're not really anticipating having a gun

619
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: pulled on his whole knife crime.

620
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of people don't really look at it.

621
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: They look at they could just all of a sudden

622
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: look at the outline of the person, and part of

623
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: the outline is holding a gun. Yeah, so they would

624
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: believe his make believe gun and then hidden behind his

625
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: oversized dark sunglasses and his outrageous, ridiculous blonde wig. So

626
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: there is this stranger demanding the bank's money or else,

627
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: so they would give over whatever they had in their drawer.

628
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: And then after he fled with whatever money he could

629
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: scare out of the bank tellers, they would report it

630
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: to the local news that a man by himself, wearing

631
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: a comical blonde wig and giant dark sunglasses came in

632
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: and robbed the place.

633
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: It looks like JT. Leroy in my house.

634
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of So at first, like, you know, his

635
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: disguise is getting most of the press, like they keep

636
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: talking about this ridiculous blonde wig, these crazy sunglasses because

637
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: he keeps getting away with it. There's not much else

638
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: to write about. He's not getting cuts. They're like, well

639
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 2: do you looked? Like how crazy was the wig? So

640
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: eventually though, the police in the UK, they make it

641
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: their mission to like change that. They're like, we got

642
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: to catch this guy, so they launch a nationwide.

643
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 3: Man hunt for him.

644
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: Stephen Jacklie. Remember he's a college tudent by day, robin

645
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: Hood by night. He could have focused his efforts directly

646
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: on like charity work instead of being a Robinhood by night.

647
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: And he's like, nope, I need to rob these banks.

648
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: You know. It's like so it's based on his Robinhood obsession.

649
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: He decides like once he has some success, now he's like,

650
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go bigger. So as here this is how

651
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: he explained it to the Sunday Mercury quote, banks, bookmakers,

652
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: and building societies are icons of the current socioeconomic system.

653
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: There are more than just exchanges of money and legalized

654
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: loan sharks. They were to me a legitimate target. So

655
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: he's getting like ginned up. He's firing himself up, like

656
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: he's now like the good guy of all, like a legend.

657
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: He's like Batman on one right, I'm punching you because

658
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: you're bad. You're like you've got anger issues, buddy, He's

659
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: not dealing with any of that, right, So you killed Eventually.

660
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: He writes in his diary at the time that he

661
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: had a goal that he would keep hitting banks and

662
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: bookies until he was able to steal one hundred thousand pounds. Okay,

663
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: that's his goal. Once he amassed that one hundred thousand pounds,

664
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: this one man Robinhood charity organization would start his own

665
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: official organization, and then he donated all to charity. Oh

666
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: not all of it. He did donates sixty percent.

667
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 3: Wait, okay, so first of all, did he think through,

668
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 3: how am I going to start an actual nonprofit organization?

669
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 3: And where am I going to say this money came from?

670
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: Not exactly. He figured he could do it international.

671
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: And he's doing like the serious, like shady nonprofit of

672
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: he for.

673
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: Me, Yes, sixty percent for the effort, the administrative management.

674
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: You gotta pay for that. So his plan was he

675
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: would establish a business that would then subsequently establish branches

676
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: in foreign countries. And then yes, and he would give

677
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: out his money, his stolen proceeds to help combat food

678
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: insecurity in the so called Third World.

679
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, as.

680
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 2: He wrote in his diary, he planned to donate, as

681
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: I said, sixty percent to charity and the homeless, and

682
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: then forty percent to the Robin.

683
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: Hood him sixty world peace.

684
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: Has. He later explained, I could have easily been a

685
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: person who's cycled to work and recycled, someone who did

686
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: their best to save the planet. But no, I decided

687
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: on a drastic, almost revolutionary course of action. It's so proud,

688
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: he's so high on his own supply. So it's it's

689
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: much more fun to throw on an outrageous, comical blonde

690
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: wig than recycled and then.

691
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: The bike in the rain. Yes, exactly, this is way

692
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: more fun.

693
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: Give me them, Audrey, hepburn stunner shades. Let's do this,

694
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: And so at one point he says, this is going

695
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: to sound crazy, but I marked the notes with an RH.

696
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: So he's going around giving out stolen proceeds to homeless

697
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: folks and then putting a little RH on it so

698
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: people would know that.

699
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 3: He's already passing out bills like.

700
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: Rolls of twenties to like homeless people.

701
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: That's eating away. It is one hundred k, yeah exactly.

702
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: But he wants to do it, you know, like he

703
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: wants to gig. Yeah, all right away, book at the

704
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: work I'm doing.

705
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 3: But he's true, he doesn't want to be truly anonymous.

706
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 3: He wants to put his little rh on there.

707
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, a person may start out with

708
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: high minded ethics, pure motivation, but then life dance again.

709
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: In this case, he made a mistake the kind anyone

710
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: pretending to be Robinhood could have made. I mean, it

711
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: was a very harmless mistake. You see, he got confused

712
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: and he robbed the wrong place.

713
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that happens. It happens, is the best of us.

714
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: Stephen Jackie remembered on one occasion, I burgled a premises

715
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: and it turned out to be a charity office, which

716
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: I hadn't realized at the time. That was a nightmare.

717
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: So he robbed a charity.

718
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he broke into an ox fan.

719
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: He's not taking the money from the people. He wants

720
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: to give the money to.

721
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 3: Well, because he'll do better with it. He knows better everything.

722
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: The charity was next to a bank, and so he

723
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: broke into the charity, thinking he was breaking it to

724
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: the bank, robbed it and he realized, oh that we

725
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: got outside, that it was the wrong building.

726
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 3: Because it looks like a bank in the charity office.

727
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. He wasn't so to even the scales

728
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: of justice. Yeah, he decided he'd give the money back

729
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: to the charity the like stolen. He didn't want to

730
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: get caught because if he gave it immediately back, they're like,

731
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: this is exactly how much we have lost in the robbery.

732
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: Find out who gave us this. So let's get some

733
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 2: c CCTV cameras working. So instead he's like, I need

734
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: to give it back to them in dribs and drabs.

735
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 3: So and.

736
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 2: As he tells it, I gave the charity incremental sums,

737
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: starting with two hundred fifty pounds and eventually going up

738
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: to seven hundred and fifty pounds. I was going to

739
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: keep increasing the mound until I reached to about twenty

740
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: thousand pounds.

741
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 3: I was going to but then what happened.

742
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: It didn't happen, Elizabeth. But if you're curious, how much

743
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: did he manage to donate to the charity. Over his

744
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: time as modern day Robin Hood, he donated two thousand pounds,

745
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: which worked out to be about three thousand American dollars.

746
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah.

747
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: He's like, although, altogether I donated around two thousand pounds

748
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: to charity, which doesn't sound like a lot, but my

749
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: intention was to donate.

750
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 3: More, it doesn't. That's okay, Yeah, to keep things what

751
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 3: they say about the road to hell, yeah, like bricked lined,

752
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: paved with them, so to keep things square un fair.

753
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: Over the four months that he was hitting banks and

754
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: bookies in towns like Wooster and Herefordshire and Exeter in

755
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: his hometown of Devon, Steve and Jacklie managed to steal

756
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: eleven thousand pounds, far short of his goal of one

757
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 2: hundred thousand pounds, but that ain't nothing, and he donated

758
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: two thousand of that. And now if you're curious how

759
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: much that works out to be, that is not sixty percent, No, no,

760
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: that is is far from it. That is about eighteen percent.

761
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: Well, he's also missing the mark on that. You know

762
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 3: he's aiming high. Yeah, he means he's shooting for the

763
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: stars and landing in the dust bin.

764
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: He did keep up, though, with his Robinhood fantasy, because

765
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: even if he wasn't hitting his real world goals. At

766
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: one point, as the press covered his crimes and he

767
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: remained this unknown figure, a dangerous wanted man if you will,

768
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 2: he stoked the flames of his status as an outlaw

769
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: folk hero by writing a letter to the local newspaper

770
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: like it's me. I'm the one, and this is what

771
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: I think. At one point in the letter says I

772
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: will continue to take from the rich and give to

773
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: the poor. And he signed the letter, what ourh.

774
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 3: That's more Zodiac than Robinhood.

775
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: He also when he would rob banks, he would walk

776
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 2: up to the teller, right, so he just wants whatever

777
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: they have, so he would fill out or withdraw slip.

778
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: That said, paying out slip account holder rob.

779
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 3: Hood, Oh stop it, he's so pleased with him.

780
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: His plans to donate his stolen proceeds to charity kind

781
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: of fell by the wayside. Instead, he began to fantasize

782
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: about getting his hands on a real gun so he

783
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: can do some real bank robbery. He's like, I'm going

784
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: to invest in some hardware.

785
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: Oh no, he's going to pick up some World War

786
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 3: two revolver.

787
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: Well, he was so far from his one hundred thousand

788
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: pound goal. He's like, I need to get bigger. I

789
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 2: can't wear more outrageous outfit. My wig is not going

790
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: to do anything for me. I need a hand cannon.

791
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 2: So exactly, well, you know he had a pellic gun.

792
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: He's like, what do I I need? Maybe if I

793
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 2: scared them more, they would give me more, Like without

794
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: going into the vault. Brother, he ain't getting much more anyway.

795
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 2: At this point, time is still on his side because

796
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: the police in the UK have no idea who he is.

797
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: His stunner shades in his wig game have been working

798
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: beautifully for him. He's just known that as this new

799
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: outlaw folk here, Robinhood want to be that's bouncing around

800
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: robbing anything he can't. They have a working theory that

801
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: it's this Robinhood, but that's it. I don't have any

802
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: idea of like what worre sholl we look what town

803
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: is he in?

804
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 4: Right?

805
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: He leaves no clues to his identity. He has nothing

806
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 2: that as a trail that would lead back to him.

807
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 2: But if we're being honest, it would only be a

808
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: matter of time until he got caught because by now

809
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 2: he's addicted to playing Robin Hood. He's separating from reality,

810
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: he's untethering himself. Plus he could see that he was

811
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 2: not the ethical criminal he wanted to be, So he's

812
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: having an internal fight there as well. Sure, so let's

813
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: take a little break, Elizabeth, and after these messages, I'll

814
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 2: tell you how everything goes sideways for my man. Pretend

815
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: Robin Hood. We're back, Elizabeth, We're back, Saron. How you

816
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: enjoying the tales? You ready to hear how he got

817
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: himself jacked up? I well, let's do this like like

818
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 2: like Caesar got done by Brutus. Remember how I told

819
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: you Stephen Jacklie had a diagnosis of having Asperger syndrome. Well,

820
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 2: that would come somewhat into play for how and why

821
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: he was eventually busted. An interview after the fact, Stephen

822
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 2: Jacklie addressed how his Asperger's diagnosis affected his life in crime.

823
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: And there have been studies about people who are on

824
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: the spectrum doing crime and how it affected them and

825
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: why I have driven them there.

826
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 3: And it's interesting you mentioned this because I know two

827
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 3: different people who had And now I think asked Burgers

828
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 3: isn't really a diagnosis that's put onto the spectrum.

829
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, from what I understand.

830
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they were both like at the time, diagnosed

831
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: with it, and they each independently have this almost like

832
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: Robin Hood's sensibility of like for the greater good and

833
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 3: I'm going to take on like the bad guys. And

834
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 3: in some cases it's like this hero kind of thing

835
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 3: of like I'm going to step in on the street

836
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: if I see someone being wrong totally, you know, it's

837
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 3: fascinating and it's a good quality to have.

838
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: The scales of justice are very forward in their mind.

839
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: It's just like front and center. Yes, So when he

840
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 2: was asked point blank about Asperger's and if it played

841
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: a role in his crime career and his choice to

842
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: become a real life Robinhood exactly said, it certainly played

843
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: a role in so far as my inability to understand

844
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: the effects of my actions upon others. I didn't thought

845
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: about that part. Yeah, in the abstract, he wanted to

846
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: be an outlaw folk hero, right. In the short term,

847
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: it meant he had trouble seeing how his actions affected others,

848
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: say emotionally, he didn't connect to like the terror in

849
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: their faces, being like real terror of them. It was

850
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: just like part of the gig, like, of course you're scared.

851
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: I've got my gun in your face. He's not not

852
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: thinking about of course you're scared.

853
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 3: And they're not because they're not expressing it explicitly to him.

854
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he said, quote, if I didn't have that,

855
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 2: I think I would have had a better understood the

856
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: emotional impact on people. Right. So I thought that was

857
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: just an interesting point. But as for the greater good

858
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: that he planned to do with his organization, that Scales

859
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: of Justice part his looted funds, he never actually got

860
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 2: around to that. The organization never came out to be.

861
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 3: He never got to thought I was going to cut

862
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:35,479
Speaker 3: a check.

863
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: The only money he gave to charity was some rolled

864
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 2: up bank notes, and he gave to the homeless folks

865
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 2: in the area full of cook with the rh Right.

866
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: Then there was the money he gave back to the

867
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: charity that he actually broke into, and that was it. Yeah,

868
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: he just gave back some money, he's told me, gave

869
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 2: some homeless guys some like walking around cash. Meanwhile, though,

870
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: he went on pursuing his Robinhood fantasy, and he dreamed

871
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 2: of being able to carry out his future robberies had

872
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 2: him to his hundred grund goal. And then he obviously,

873
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: like I said, he needed a real gun. They no

874
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: more pretend pistols, no pet guns look convincing. He wanted

875
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: the real deal, like you know, something like Schwartzenegger or

876
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: stallone eighties exactly in the UK. That'd be very difficult, right,

877
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: But Stephen Jackie knew where they did sell guns to

878
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: practically anyone who walked into a gun store, That's right,

879
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: the good old us of.

880
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 3: A Yeah, sure, so come on down.

881
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: He used some of his stolen loot to buy himself

882
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: a ticket to America to.

883
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 3: Buy to bring it back.

884
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: It was an investment, Elizabeth, So Steven he was going

885
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: to smuggle a gun back into England. Coincidentally, he chose

886
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: to fly over to New England to do his gun shopping. Well,

887
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: he went from Old England to New England and he's like,

888
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: how do I get a gun? This would turn out

889
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: to be a fateful trip for Stephen Jackey. Rather than

890
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: me tell you about it, Elizabeth, I'd like you to

891
00:41:49,640 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: close your eyes closed to picture It's a lovely day

892
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: in may and Waterbury, Vermont, and you've been enjoying it immensely.

893
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: You began your day drinking from a drop of dew

894
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: nestled in a flour blossom, and after that you spent

895
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: your mid morning hours finding the perfect blade of grass.

896
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: You wanted to find a spot that would allow you

897
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: an easy jump at some lunch. You finally settled on

898
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: a tall blade of switchgrass near to the parking lot

899
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: of a gun shop in small towns Vermont. Now you

900
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: sit and wait for a hot meal to pass by.

901
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: Any mammal will do, since you are a blood drinking tick,

902
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: a deer tick, to be specific. As you wait for

903
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 2: lunch to go ambling by, you hear a promising sound.

904
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: A car has parked near to where you linger on

905
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: that blade of grass. You hear the door open, A

906
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 2: footsteps out and scratches at the gravel of the gun

907
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 2: shop parking lot. You spot your lunch, You time your jump,

908
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: and just as the young man walks past the switch

909
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: grass there at the edge of the parking lot, you leap,

910
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: and you land not on flesh, but on his pantlet.

911
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 2: No bother. You can scurry about until you find some

912
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 2: warm flesh to feast on. Meanwhile, while the young man

913
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: hustles into Paro's gun shop, that's the name of the place,

914
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: Paro's Gun Shop. The door swings open and you're met

915
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: by a blast of cool, cold, air conditioned air. The

916
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: place has a musty smell and an overwhelming odor of

917
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 2: gun oil. As you cling to the young man's pant leg,

918
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: you cross the gun shop. The young man stops at

919
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: a glass display case of handguns. There's all manner of

920
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: firearms that compete for his attention. Meanwhile, you work your

921
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: way down his pant leg, hoping he's wearing low socks.

922
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 2: There's only a couple other folks in the rural gun store.

923
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: The owner of the gun shop walks over. He asks

924
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: the young man what he's looking for, and that's when

925
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 2: you both hear it his English accent. Although it sounds

926
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 2: like he's trying to do an American accent, it's just

927
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 2: really bad, and his natural English accent shines through, especially

928
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: on the vowels. The young man says he's looking for

929
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: a real big handgun, something to scare a home intruder.

930
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: But when he says it, it sounds like the word

931
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: rhymes with Buddha, a home intruder. It sounds to your

932
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: tiny ears like the gun store owner is a immediately

933
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: suspicious of this Englishman looking to buy an American gun

934
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 2: while using a terrible American accent. You pause at around

935
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: mid ankle, frustrated to find he's wearing thick, tall wool

936
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: hiking socks. As you gather the energy to traverse a

937
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 2: thick woolen sock, you hear the gun store owner ask

938
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: the young man, what do you need the gun for.

939
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: He has the suspicious tone of a cop, which makes

940
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: sense since he's a retired police officer. The young man

941
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 2: says he's made one hundred pound bet that he could

942
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 2: not buy a gun in Waterbury. He quickly corrects himself,

943
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 2: I mean one hundred and fifty dollar bet. Yes, dollars

944
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 2: US dollars. The gun store owner asks if the young

945
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: man has any ID on him. The young man says,

946
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: I should do, but the R sounds is all wrong.

947
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: It sounds like he's swallowing the R. Even though you're

948
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: just a hungry tick looking for some lunch. You wait

949
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 2: to hear how this all plays out. The young man

950
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 2: hands over his state ID. The gun store owner gives

951
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 2: it the once over. The way he sighs and his

952
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 2: breathing changes, you can tell his suspicions are growing. You

953
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: hear the guns st owner say, well, let me phone

954
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 2: in your ID to check it in. As long as

955
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: it clears with the state, we can get you a

956
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 2: handgun today. Now it's the young man's turn. He sort

957
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: of stammers and says, all righty again. The r sound

958
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: just doesn't sound right. The gun store owner walks off

959
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: to use the phone. Although you can't hear it, he

960
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: calls the police. The young man did hear it and

961
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 2: has heard enough. He senses that the gun store owner

962
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: is on to him, so he makes a break for it.

963
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: He runs out of the gun shop, shoves open the door.

964
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: You cling on for dear life as he sprints across

965
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: the parking lot back to his car. He slides back

966
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: into the driver's seat, shuts the door, starts the car

967
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: in his hastey to get away. He floors it in

968
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: reverse and slams into another park shop, probably the gun

969
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: store owner's car. He changes gears as you grip tight

970
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 2: to the wool sock. The young man mashes his foot

971
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: down on the gas pedal. The car tears off, peeling out.

972
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: The young man narrowly avoids traffic as he pulls out

973
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 2: onto the road a car that he just misses gives

974
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: an irritated hank to the horn. You wonder where you

975
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: and this young man are now headed. You get an

976
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: answer quickly, and the answer is not very far. About

977
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: a mile down the road, police sireens sound and as

978
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: they give chase, the young man in the now smashed

979
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: up rental car pulls over to the side of the road.

980
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: He failed to get his gun. Instead, looks like he's

981
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: going to get a nice, cool jail cell all to himself.

982
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 2: The local small town Vermont police tell him to step

983
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: out of the car. He obliges, and you jump off

984
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: his sock and decide to find a less dramatic lunch.

985
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: My god, so there you go, Elizabeth. The Ballad of

986
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 2: Robinhood Junior getting nabbed in America, goes to a gun

987
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: star with a fake ID, tries to buy a gun,

988
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 2: says it's for a bet with somebody. The gun owner

989
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: is like, what are you talking about, right, and he's like, no,

990
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 2: it's right, just right. I would just give me a gun.

991
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: One are the big ones. And then they's like, hey,

992
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: let me just call it. And then it didn't take

993
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: a long They got nothing to do in Waterbury.

994
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I've never purchased a gun, but I would

995
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 3: think that if I needed to do it under the radar.

996
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 3: It's my understanding that it's looser at gun shows. Yes, yes,

997
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 3: And I wouldn't have gone into a gun shop like

998
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: a pawn shop.

999
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: Maybe they don't care as much, but like gun shows

1000
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: are the thing.

1001
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 3: That's the shows are the thing, and you just rock

1002
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 3: The English accents say you you.

1003
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 2: Know you're a collector.

1004
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 3: You've moved here, or you're a collector you've lived here.

1005
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: I like that too.

1006
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 3: I live here now.

1007
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very scared of all your urban people.

1008
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 3: You people are terrifying. You're not right in the head,

1009
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: not one of you. And so I need to protect

1010
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: myself or you know, go somewhere in Europe and get

1011
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 3: one from like a he tried.

1012
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 2: He tried getting guns in He went up to Birmingham

1013
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: to get a gun and like it didn't work out.

1014
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 2: I think I couldn't get all the details on that part,

1015
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: but I think he did. He got jacked cash some

1016
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 2: geezer like Robin Hood. They used knife crime on him

1017
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 2: for his fake gun. So once he was in police custody,

1018
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: the offers pat down Stephen Jacklee. They frisk him to

1019
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 2: check his wallet. They discover his student ID card from

1020
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 2: the University of Wooster. So now the cops know that

1021
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: they're dealing with an Englishman and not a local, so

1022
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: they interview, or if you prefer, interrogate the suspects. Jacklee

1023
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: tells the Vermont detectives that he was just trying to

1024
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 2: buy a gun to win one hundred pound bet, I

1025
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: mean one hundred and fifty dollars, And the Vermont detectors

1026
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: are like, how much was that bet? And it's like,

1027
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 2: I said, one hundred and twenty five US dollars. I

1028
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: don't know what's exchange rate these days. So the cops

1029
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: were like, right, right, sure you do, So go on,

1030
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: tell us about this gun you wanted to buy. And

1031
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: he repeats the same story, and then when he's done,

1032
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: the Vermont detectives were like, so about these notes we

1033
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 2: found in your pockets and in your diary that outline

1034
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: plants for bank robberies. What's the story there?

1035
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 3: Wait, he went on the trip and brought all of

1036
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: his criming notes with you.

1037
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: He's got a ton of diaries, you know how, I

1038
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 2: got like a lot of note pats. But he's got that,

1039
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 2: so he would just jot down par light for this thing.

1040
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 2: Well he's on the plane, he's like jotting down somebody,

1041
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: you know if I go into.

1042
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a time of the place.

1043
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. So, as one would say, legally speaking, the

1044
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: suspect was now screwed. Yeah, that's After talking the detectives,

1045
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 2: they charge them with leaving the scene of an accident

1046
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 2: and then trying to buy a gun without proper paperwork

1047
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 2: or something. I don't know exactly the charge in Vermont,

1048
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: but they get on the phone to the FBI, right

1049
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: and they're like, yo, should we call the ATF We

1050
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 2: call you guys. We got this kid who's over here

1051
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: trying to buy a gun, trying to smuggle back into

1052
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: the UK. And then also he's got like a bunch

1053
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 2: of fake id's and a bunch of bank robbery paperwork,

1054
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 2: but it looks like it's for the UK. So the

1055
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: FBI they reach out to police in the UK and

1056
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: they tell the Bobby's back in England about this crazy

1057
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 2: kid with all these notes about robbing banks, Like apparently

1058
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: he's a student at a University of Worcester and they're like,

1059
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: woo Street, you're right, yeah, okay, so then they go

1060
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: over and then they check, right, the UK cops, so

1061
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 2: actually the West Mercia police. Okay, they take a business

1062
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 2: trip over to the student housing and they search his

1063
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 2: flat and that's where the police find a ridiculous blonde wig,

1064
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: Audrey Hepburn, dark sunglasses, knives, a hammer, detailed notes outlining

1065
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 2: his plans for future bank robberies, as a as a

1066
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 2: cat named Detective Inspector Fox of the UK reported it

1067
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 2: to local reporters. We were made aware of Jackie win

1068
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: FBO officers dealing with him for firearms offenses, including attempting

1069
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: to buy a gun in America, recovered a diary from

1070
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 2: him which suggested he may have committed offenses in the UK.

1071
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 2: We then conducted searches at his Wooster University residents and

1072
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 2: premises in London. As Devin and Cornwall Constabulary searched his

1073
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 2: home and dress, items were recovered that linked Jacklee to

1074
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: numerous offenses including replica guns, knives, botta Clava's demand notes,

1075
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: disguises and of course has written notes in diaries detailing

1076
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: his offending.

1077
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 3: So they find just a cache of evidence amazing.

1078
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: For instance, in his crime diary, one of his entries

1079
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 2: recorded his attempt to buy a gun. As I said,

1080
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: back in England, he took a trip to Birmingham. He

1081
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: had seven hundred and fifty pounds on him, and then

1082
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: once he tried to get the gun, he would head

1083
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: over to a bank, kidnap the staff and rob the place.

1084
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: But he wasn't able to get the gun. And I

1085
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 2: think at your point is he got jack for the seven.

1086
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 3: So he then went home and journaled it out. Yeah.

1087
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wrote down therapy he went to, Yeah, and

1088
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 2: then when he went to America, he also journaled all

1089
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 2: of that, like I'm going to go to this gun

1090
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: store and I'm going to buy a gun and it's

1091
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 2: going to look like this. He either wrote about the

1092
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: stuff he had done, stuff he was going to do,

1093
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: stuff he wanted to do. It was all there. They

1094
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: had all of it right. And also, by the way,

1095
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: when the cops were searching his dorm, his student housing,

1096
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: they found a homemade bomb. Oh yeah, but it was fake.

1097
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 2: It was something that Jackie said was the result of

1098
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: the fact he was I was drunk and high when

1099
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: I decided to keep it in my room. I don't

1100
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: know if it sounded like he was a homemade bomb

1101
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: he made and not like a World War two munitions

1102
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: that he liked. Yes, fake, yeah, was it like the

1103
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: But the West Mercy of Police didn't know that. When

1104
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 2: they see it, it looks totally it was like.

1105
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 3: Three empty toilet paper rolls like duct taped together within

1106
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 3: like some speaker wire coming out of it.

1107
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: That'd be amazing, But I think it was more like

1108
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 2: one of those like crock pots, you.

1109
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 3: Know, like cooker preussure cooker like legit.

1110
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly like Boston Marathon style.

1111
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 3: I think it's like he pulled a key pad off.

1112
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: Of that would be good, like a cartoon character to

1113
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 2: a bunch of like fake dynamite.

1114
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 3: A couple of bottle like plastic bottles of.

1115
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: Some road flares. So yeah, well, the West Mercy of

1116
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: Police they had to evacuate the area, calling the bomb squad,

1117
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: and the students living in the Wyvern and Bread and

1118
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 2: blocks of flats which are on the campus were evacuated

1119
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 2: for more than five hours and the Explosive Ordinance Disposal

1120
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 2: Unit was called in. So after it's all settled and

1121
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 2: done with the fake bomb, the UK police they go

1122
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 2: into Jacquie's place. They harvest all the evidence and this

1123
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: is all the evidence they need to solve the case

1124
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: of the Robin Hood Bandit well done, so they have

1125
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: all the evidence they need on them. Right, it's a

1126
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 2: case open and now case immediately close. So it's just

1127
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 2: page after page of diary notes from the crime career

1128
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: of the modern day Robin Hood.

1129
00:52:59,800 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 4: Right.

1130
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: So at this point, now before the UK can get

1131
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: justice and take him to trial, the folks in the

1132
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 2: US were like, no, no, he's here. We want to

1133
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 2: get our taste of justice first. So the US refuses

1134
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 2: to send him back to the England. Right, America wants

1135
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: some American justice for trying to buy a gun in Vermont,

1136
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 2: Elizabeth even do it, No, but he tried. That's good enough.

1137
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: So his trial he goes. They take him to Vermont's

1138
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 2: Southern State Correctional Facility and he arrived right with the

1139
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 2: like the reputation of this master criminal. So at that point,

1140
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 2: the head of security for this place, Mark putanis he said,

1141
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: I was told that he had very sophisticated abilities and

1142
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 2: that escape should be at the forefront of my mind

1143
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 2: when dealing with him. He was considered such an escape risk.

1144
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: There were very few prisoners we worried about to the

1145
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 2: extent that we worried about him. He was basically on lockdown.

1146
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 3: Wait where did they get that?

1147
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: Because of his diaries? His plans were so elaborate, he's

1148
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 2: so like self aggrandizing. They're like, there must be a

1149
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: master criminal. He's real good. So this point, now Stephen

1150
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 2: Jacklie gets to know the FBI, so they keep showing

1151
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: up trying to get him to talk, like where'd you

1152
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: learn all this? Are you part of like a major

1153
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: international organization? Who was the organization you're talking about? So

1154
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 2: this one guy, specially Agent Scott Murray, right, he had

1155
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 2: met him the day he was arrested in May of

1156
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, and so he then becomes like

1157
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: his point person. So he's visiting him in prison. And

1158
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 2: the way he put it is, I do a lot

1159
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 2: than devolves firearms and explosives. Every case is different, but

1160
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 2: this one is memorable. I guess that's just the best

1161
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: way to put it. Like everyone was just so geeked

1162
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 2: by this Robin Hood, who's a master international criminal apparently,

1163
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 2: So imagine him this in this interrogation room at Vermont's

1164
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 2: Southern State Correctional Facility. And now we got special Agent

1165
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 2: Scott Murray sitting across the desk from this twenty two

1166
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: year old former geography student turned international man of mystery

1167
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 2: with an Interpol warrant, right he would he would explain

1168
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 2: to the college kid from Mooster who the FBI were,

1169
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 2: what they did for a living, because he hasn't known

1170
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 2: any of this, he's not from America.

1171
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 3: He's like, I think I see a lot American team.

1172
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, are you guys like the Federal I

1173
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 2: don't know how this is like a thing, yeah, like

1174
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: what are we doing here? So, especially Agent Murray then

1175
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 2: drops copies of all the evidence they have against Jacklie.

1176
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 2: So they're photocopies primarily of his crime diary, and then

1177
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 2: there was additional journals from his student housing back in

1178
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: the UK that they like faxed over, So they're all

1179
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 2: the detailed plans for the bank robbery. So he's trying

1180
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 2: to get him to talk, like you know, it's open up,

1181
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 2: maybe like get you some justice. So there's all sorts

1182
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 2: of strange series of numbers and dates and coded language.

1183
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: They're like, is this like how you communicate with your

1184
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 2: international cabal and like So it turns out that no,

1185
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: it was just him eventually he drops this. He does

1186
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 2: like a like I don't know, imagine like a Pirouet turn.

1187
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, here you go, and what about this

1188
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 2: last one? And he drops the photo copy that he'd

1189
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 2: received from his you know, colleagues overseas. It's a photocopy

1190
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 2: of a British bank note and scribbled on it were

1191
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 2: just two letters r H. And he's like, what is this?

1192
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 2: What is this all about? This is a code name,

1193
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: because like they were still like, you know, the UK

1194
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: cops were fairly certain it was Robin Hood, but they

1195
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 2: he had not said it, he'd not confirmed it, so

1196
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 2: they wanted confirmation. So Special Agent Murray's like, what does

1197
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 2: this mean? R H? And Jackie looked at him and

1198
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: he's like, Robin Hood or as I prefer, rob Hood.

1199
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 3: And they are just like such a door.

1200
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 2: So no matter. He couldn't crack this kid's edifice though,

1201
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,919
Speaker 2: because he wouldn't, he would not talk at all. He said,

1202
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: I never felt I got a scope of who he is.

1203
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 2: So once he's done, he uh with you know, his

1204
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 2: early interrogations. He gets tried, convicted, He does ten months

1205
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 2: stretch in federal.

1206
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 3: Prison, federal prison, and for what were the guard.

1207
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 2: For the attempting to buy a gun. I don't know

1208
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 2: why this is such a big deal. But also then

1209
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 2: obviously running from the place the high speed car chase

1210
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 2: into a gun store owner's car. I mean they tacked

1211
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 2: him together. Right, So, as Jackie put it, it was terrible,

1212
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 2: no other worst to describe it. It was the worst experience.

1213
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 2: My relationship with fellow prisoners was really difficult because of

1214
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 2: my aspergers. I find it difficult to get on with people.

1215
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 2: The fact I was moved to about twenty prisons didn't help,

1216
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 2: So I think, let's say that's an exaggeration, right, Let's

1217
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: say it was ten prisons in ten months. So after

1218
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 2: his two of America's finest federal facilities the law back

1219
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 2: in the UK, they get their hands on the Robin

1220
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 2: and bank robber, the West Mercy of Police. They think

1221
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to extra at him because the Americans

1222
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 2: just will not give him up. Come on, give us

1223
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 2: our guy we want. We got the press, keep the

1224
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 2: daily mails, call me every day for Christ's sake. So

1225
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 2: they finally send him back. Right, He's taken to the

1226
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 2: Wooster police station and they get this master criminal to

1227
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 2: explain about how he's been hitting the banks, the bookies

1228
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 2: and what have you, the local charity shops. So Detective

1229
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:44,439
Speaker 2: Inspector Jim Fox died Fox and Fox right. I thought

1230
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 2: this nice full circle exactly. So the complexities of the

1231
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 2: case continued as we could not interview xactly due to

1232
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: legal restrictions and had to prepariphile that proved every aspect

1233
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 2: of our case against him, down to handwriting analysis to

1234
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: prove the diaries were his and obtaining DNA and fingerprints

1235
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 2: from the USA. It was such a well prepared case

1236
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: that we were confident of a guilty plea due to

1237
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 2: the overwhelming evidence.

1238
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 3: Well yeah, he boxed it up for you pretty much.

1239
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 2: They had it all and then they have the ten

1240
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: month head start until he gets back. So when he

1241
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 2: gets back, he faces twenty one different charges. No boy,

1242
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it comes down to five armed robberies, three

1243
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: attempted armed robberies, seven firearms offenses in relation to the robberies,

1244
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: the assault occasioning actual bodily harm, and finally one attempted

1245
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: burglary of a bank and one burgley. I assume that's

1246
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 2: the charity shop. Sure, yeah, So all during his trial

1247
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 2: he confesses to doing the jobs he did for practice.

1248
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 2: Then also he mentioned that he was in the Netherlands

1249
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: he pulled a knife point robbery and then he fled

1250
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: back to England. He was never caught for that one,

1251
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 2: and since it was in the Netherlands, the British were like,

1252
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 2: we'll give you that one for free. So meanwhile, the

1253
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: judge is not particularly moved by his whole robin hood thing.

1254
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 2: He's like, he doesn't find that cute. Apparently he has

1255
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 2: grandkids or whatever. He's like, I don't I'm not going

1256
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 2: for this whole robbin hood thing. Was he stopped playing

1257
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 2: dress up and scaring people or working for a living.

1258
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 2: So he said that his activity had no beneficiaries but himself,

1259
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 2: although in just one incident that delivered cash to a

1260
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 2: charity shop that he had damaged during its attempts to

1261
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 2: gain entry to an adjoining bank, he'd also stolen items

1262
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 2: from that same charity shop, so he threw the book

1263
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: at him. Jackie eventually pleads guilty to eighteen of the

1264
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: twenty one charges, convicted to a twelve year stretch and

1265
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 2: British prisons. His sentence was later shortened after he appealed,

1266
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 2: and so he peeled on grounds of his Asperger syndrome

1267
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: affecting him, and then the London Criminal Appeal Court ruled

1268
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 2: that he lacked full quote awareness of the consequences of

1269
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 2: his actions and therefore his culpability to have been significantly impaired. Right,

1270
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: So I got to keep that in my back pocket

1271
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 2: if I ever get into legal trouble in the UK,

1272
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 2: Your honor, we consider the fact I'm kind of aspy,

1273
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 2: like seriously, I mean, no, I don't have a professional diagnosis.

1274
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 2: It's just something people say about me. But I think

1275
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 2: that we should introduce so anyway, Stephen Jacklie gets released

1276
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen after doing five of the twelve years. Yeah,

1277
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: you know, while he was inside, Jackie did what he

1278
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 2: did best. He compulsively wrote down his thoughts and when

1279
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 2: he was released he had a whole book ready to go.

1280
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 2: And as Reli said time and time again, yes, prison

1281
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 2: is apparently the best writing group there is. It is

1282
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,919
Speaker 2: so many book deals come out of prison. Jackly, though

1283
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 2: true to his nature, set up his own publishing company

1284
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: because he was still very much an anti capitalist. He

1285
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: stayed true to his ethical stance and he gave himself

1286
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 2: a book deal. There you go, Elizabeth what's a ridiculous takeaway?

1287
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 3: My goodness, don't take notes the right Stop journaling. Everybody,

1288
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 3: stop journaling. You're all incriminating yourselves. Oh you think even

1289
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 3: if you're like, this is this is these are my

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Speaker 3: emotions for the day. Crimes top in the old cranium.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. You know, I think that I journal journal. I

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Speaker 2: put a lot of notes down journal. I wouldn't say

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Speaker 2: that it's a journal, but I have a lot of notes.

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Speaker 2: But like, people just look at this, They're like, what

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Speaker 2: is this crackpot math that I'm looking saying.

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Speaker 3: I've seen one of your notebooks. I've peaked over your

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Speaker 3: should it's just mass.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, there's nothing numbers like I could be. I

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Speaker 2: could be like, you know, I think indicted by like

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Speaker 2: the the annals of math. Journal.

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Speaker 3: Don't many ideas.

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Speaker 2: But there you go. That's my ridiculous takeaway. Don't give

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Speaker 2: me any ideas.

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Speaker 3: Don't give many ideas.

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Speaker 2: So hey, you in the mood for a talkback to

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Speaker 2: wash this down?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Can you favors with one? Oh my god, I.

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Speaker 3: Love get.

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Speaker 4: Hey, ridiculous crime crew. This is Katie calling from Tacoma, Washington.

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Speaker 4: I just finished listening to the plant Crimes episode, and

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Speaker 4: I just learned I have that same purple tomato in

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Speaker 4: my garden from the episode, So yeah, I thought that

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Speaker 4: was really exciting. Thanks Aul, love the show and keep

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Speaker 4: producing great stuff as you always do.

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Speaker 3: Thanks very much, Thank you, Katie, ma'am. How can you

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Speaker 3: tell me you have the tomato and not give me

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Speaker 3: like a full rundown review flavor profile? What's the color

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Speaker 3: when you cut her?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 3: Is it like other purple tomatoes where the outside were

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Speaker 3: where it takes much longer to come right.

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Speaker 2: But a lot more Katie? Can you reach it back out?

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Speaker 3: Don't another talk though?

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Speaker 2: Just looking at her face?

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Speaker 3: She needs me a review of the tomato. I love

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Speaker 3: that you have that.

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Speaker 2: Well. As always. You can find us online Ridiculous Crime

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Speaker 2: on social media. That's Instagram, blue Sky, Maybe we'll go

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Speaker 2: to TikTok, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know, Banger and Flanger the jump Shot.

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Speaker 2: We have the account Ridiculous Crime Pod on YouTube. That

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Speaker 2: one is actually cool. You should check it out, Tell

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Speaker 2: and tell your daddy. Tell you greasy Greasy Granny. We

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Speaker 2: also have a website, Ridiculous Crime dot com. We love

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Speaker 2: the talkbacks. Obviously, so go hit the ird app, download

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Speaker 2: that record a talkback. Maybe you'll hear your voice here.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to hear it, yes, and oh, email us

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Speaker 2: if you like it. Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 2: We do love the emails too. Thank you for listening

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Speaker 2: and we will catch you next crime. Ridiculous Crime is

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Speaker 2: hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaron Burnett, producing, edited by

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Speaker 2: know I went through a robin Hood phase in my

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Speaker 2: teens Bowlin and No, Yeah, well I went through Kevin

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Speaker 2: Cosker phase during my teens.

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