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Speaker 1: Here we go. It's Wednesday. We are live. We're in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: It is The Herd. Wherever you may be and however

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Speaker 1: part of your day. John Middlecoff and I here again

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Speaker 1: in tow So. I sat last night. John and I

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Speaker 1: watched several episodes of the Jerry Jones Netflix special The

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Speaker 1: Gambler America's team, highly entertaining. Took a few notes. I

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Speaker 1: know that's door key, but I had to take some

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Speaker 1: another example. We saw this for the Last Dance with

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordans and we see this with Jerry. When you're

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Speaker 1: when you're creating something special, even if you're Michael Jordan

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Speaker 1: or you have Jimmy Johnson and Trougman, it's hard. It's really,

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Speaker 1: really hard for Michael Jordan all those years getting tackled

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Speaker 1: by the Pistons and the Celtics. But I want to

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Speaker 1: I want to start John with what was and what

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Speaker 1: is with the Dallas Cowboys. So let's start with that.

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Speaker 1: So I read a story this morning Micah Parsons and

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys headed towards a divorce and a messy contract sagam.

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Speaker 1: So I'm watching that Netflix special last night, and what

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Speaker 1: is remarkable at Jerry Jones At that point it was

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Speaker 1: almost broke. He spent every penny on the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson told me that. I mean, he spent every

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Speaker 1: didn't know if they were gonna make it was he

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Speaker 1: gonna have to sell the team. But he was so

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones did that. It all worked. He would He

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Speaker 1: got Apeman and Jimmy Johnson and Emmet's and Michael Irvin

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Speaker 1: and Dave wants that. And he was patient and Jerry's

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Speaker 1: still patient, sometimes too much. But what you noticed with

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Speaker 1: That's not the Cowboys today, where the Dak Prescott or

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Speaker 1: Micah Parsons contracts in golf camp, in golf the team.

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Speaker 1: And as I was watching that, I thought, you know what,

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Speaker 1: you know who the Dallas Cowboys of that era are.

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Speaker 1: They're the Philadelphia Eagles. Now. The Eagles have a brand.

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Speaker 1: The Eagles have the most aggressive GM. The Eagles occasionally

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Speaker 1: If they make a move and they don't like it,

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Speaker 1: coaches who win Super Bowls if it's not a good

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Speaker 1: fit today decisive push push Saquon Barkley deal. The Eagles

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Speaker 1: today are the Cowboys. In the Netflix special, Dallas now

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Speaker 1: is reactive. Dallas then was proactive. Philadelphia now proactive. They

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Speaker 1: made a deal three days ago. They're always making deals.

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Speaker 1: And yet the Micah Parsons contract saga appears it's not

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Speaker 1: going to end. Well, you knew he was an All

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Speaker 1: the Dak I saw a headline this morning, The Cowboys

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Speaker 1: negotiating tactics have probably cost them approximately one hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Think about this. Dak Prescott's cap hit currently is bigger

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Speaker 1: don't get deals anymore. Philadelphia gets deal. Philadelphia is always

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Speaker 1: making moves. Philadelphia is decisive. Philadelphia's got a running play

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Speaker 1: they invented that used to be Jerry Remember when he

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Speaker 2: I'll do my part to get a slipped at.

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Speaker 3: Oh. It's wonderful to have the great athletes, have the

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Speaker 1: So Aaron Rodgers is not going to play in the

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Speaker 1: The Steelers have not consistently run the ball for about

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Speaker 1: do think Pittsburgh needs to get off to a hot

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Speaker 1: been one statistic. There has always been one statistic that

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Speaker 1: So why does Aaron need to start quickly? Because I've

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Speaker 1: They don't care. In game performance does not change their personality.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I'd watch Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning after a

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Speaker 1: that if Aaron's not playing well, he's trailing late, he

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Speaker 1: not saying he should play it. I don't have a

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Speaker 4: Uncomfortable with what I'm seeing out here. Obviously, if I weren't,

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Speaker 4: I would be playing. Everyone else is under consideration. They're

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Speaker 1: Forty one year old shaky o line, no run game,

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Speaker 1: more interesting with Aaron Rodgers playing than not playing. I

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Speaker 1: don't think Pittsburgh's a good fit. I didn't necessarily think

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Speaker 1: Somebody get that helmet fixed for Aaron Rodgers. See that

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Speaker 1: All Right, it's been reported Caleb Williams other Bear starters

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Speaker 1: will play in the preseason finale against the Kansas City Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: I am for that in most instances, I do like

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Speaker 8: The day I was there, Caleb Williams looked terrible.

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Speaker 8: There's no sugarcoating in What Ben Johnson and his staff

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Speaker 1: Just saying they're playing against the Chiefs in the preseason,

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Speaker 1: They need the snaps because they got to make this work.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Colin, we're starting to get some good news out

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Speaker 1: I could absolutely see McVeigh saying, you know what, here's

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Speaker 2: So this is going to be something to me that

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Speaker 9: We've put it together in a way where instead of

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Speaker 1: So here my take. How many defensive coaches could sit

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Speaker 2: Well, what's the knock a lot on these young quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: think about this, John, If you think your personnel is better,

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Speaker 1: problem paying him in the twenty eight to thirty million.

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Speaker 1: Put that guys. Put the graphic up again of what

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Speaker 1: receivers are getting paid. So I would take Terry McLaurin.

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Speaker 1: I would not take him over Jamar Chase or Justin Jefferson.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's as dynamic as CD Lamb, but

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Speaker 1: I would pay him more than DK Metcalf, Garrett Wilson.

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Speaker 1: So I look at this, I think he's in the

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Speaker 1: omor On Saint Brown class.

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Speaker 2: I think I think where it gets complicated is there's

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Speaker 2: an I was told this this offseason with TJ. Watt,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, do you think that Steeler would trade him?

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Speaker 2: They said, even if they thought about it from a

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Speaker 2: financial standpoint, He's the heartbeat and the leadership of the team.

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Speaker 2: He's the team captain, not the quarterback TJ. Watt with

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Speaker 2: the Steelers. That's kind of been McLaurin on the Commanders. Now,

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Speaker 2: Adam Peters might say, well, Jayden Daniels rookie year, he's

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Speaker 2: shifted now he's the go to guy. And typically DK

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Speaker 2: Metcalf John Schneider, widely viewed as one of the best

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Speaker 2: gms in the league, did not want to give him

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Speaker 2: a third contract. I know DK asked for a trade,

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Speaker 2: but they're like, yeah, sure, seea you know, usually these

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Speaker 2: older wide receivers. This is Tate Terry mclaurin's third contract,

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Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, Adam Peters and

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Speaker 2: Dan Quinn, I'm sure they really like him. They didn't

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Speaker 2: draft him. He's not their guy, so they're probably open

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Speaker 2: to a lot of different ideas. It's a predicament. It's

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Speaker 2: not a to me. It's a tough situation. Both sides

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Speaker 2: get where Terry's coming from, and I can understand the

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Speaker 2: Washington front office going, is this where we want to

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Speaker 2: invest a lot of our rookie cap space because of

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Speaker 2: Jaden's contract moving forward?

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Speaker 1: You know John Think you know you're a former NFL scout.

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Speaker 1: You know Andy Reid. When they brought in Deebo Samuel,

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Speaker 1: I liked the move because I thought stylistically and for

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Speaker 1: a young quarterback, he's a chess piece for sure, and

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Speaker 1: I think young quarterbacks and Cliff Kingsbury will know how

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Speaker 1: to use a chess piece. What I didn't think about

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Speaker 1: was how it would land for Terry McLaurin. Maybe, and

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Speaker 1: McLaurin looked at it and thought, that's fine. But you

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Speaker 1: do get on the number one like he's the two.

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Speaker 1: He's the chess piece. You don't have to use me

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Speaker 1: as a chess piece. I can break guys down and

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Speaker 1: get open. I run better, I'm healthier, I'm more productive.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that's the problem. The amount of money Debo's

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Speaker 2: making this year, so the last year of his contract,

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Speaker 2: and Terry McLaurin is said to make, is basically the same.

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Speaker 2: So these are human beings. Terry goes wait, I scored

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Speaker 2: thirteen touchdowns here last year. This was your guy in

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Speaker 2: San Francisco, who peaked three years ago, and we're making

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Speaker 2: the same money. In any line of work, money's all relative.

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Speaker 2: It would tick that guy off. So I understand it

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Speaker 2: was a bold move by Adam Peters. I understood it.

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Speaker 2: I kind of liked it. I think you're getting to

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Speaker 2: motivated Deebo Samuel. I do think that impacted Terry McLaurin

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Speaker 2: when he just looked at I'm not making the same

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Speaker 2: as this guy this year.

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Speaker 1: And his conduct. McLaurin was better than the former owner's content.

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Speaker 1: So mclaurin's like the whole operation was a circus. I

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Speaker 1: was the adult in the organization. The owner was inappropriate.

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Speaker 1: I was the good guy. That does have value to me.

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Speaker 1: I think beyond his production, the second most leveraged Terry

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Speaker 1: McLaurin has is him the human being.

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Speaker 2: Totally.

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Speaker 1: This has been a tire fire a has Matt spill

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Speaker 1: up a franchise, And he was the guy who were like,

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Speaker 1: what a professional, what a grown up? He's just every

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Speaker 1: day he's just punching the cards, showing up for work. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: that has value in any industry, agreed John Middlecoff of

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Speaker 1: The News, Well, that's the.

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Speaker 2: News, and thanks for stopping that the herd line, you know.

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Speaker 1: Especially, It's like I understand back in the seventies and

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Speaker 1: eighties if Rockstar trashed hotel rooms, right, But if you

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Speaker 1: didn't and you didn't cost me as a manager like

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Speaker 1: forty grand every rich Carlon you stayed at, there's value

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Speaker 1: in that too, being a grown up, even if you

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Speaker 1: don't quite sell as many tickets to the concert, being

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Speaker 1: lower maintenance, being an adult. Not everybody's Taylor Swift, Not

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Speaker 1: everybody was Van Halen in the eighties, and not everybody

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Speaker 1: is Randy Moss talented. So if you're omar on Saint

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Speaker 1: Brown is really good, total adult, total grown up, great

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Speaker 1: route tree, mentor in the locker room, unbelievable film room

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Speaker 1: better every week, like you don't have to be. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's like one Justin Jefferson on the planet. There was

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Speaker 1: one Jerry Rice, one Calvin Johnson and Randy Moss below that.

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Speaker 1: How you behave matters. I know, it shouldn't it wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: it does. I'd pay Terry McLaurin because I like the

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Speaker 1: human omor On Saint Brown to me at thirty million,

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Speaker 1: I'd argue he's underpaid. I mean, outside of Penay Seoul.

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Speaker 1: I mean like, like, that's the heartbeat of the offense

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Speaker 1: to me, not the quarterback. All right, is it possible

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Speaker 1: quarterback is undervalued in the NFL? Thoughts on that next.

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Speaker 5: in noon Easter not a Empacific.

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Speaker 1: You know, I love when players are brutally honest. Quentin Nelson, Colts.

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Speaker 1: Chris Baller drafted him years ago, and you know people

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Speaker 1: are like, whoa, whoa, whoa interior offensive lineman. The guy's

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Speaker 1: a stud, he's a leader, he's a stud. And I

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Speaker 1: was just thinking about this. I honestly believe quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the NFL is undervalued, underpaid, and underrated. And I know

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Speaker 1: that sounds crazy, but I want you listen from an

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman's perspective, because the Colts are now on their

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Speaker 1: eleventh starting quarterback since Andrew Luck, who I love but

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Speaker 1: hosed them, retired right before the season. Now again, guys

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Speaker 1: can retire when they want to retire. Timing wasn't great,

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Speaker 1: but he was in pain, and we all understood at

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Speaker 1: the time. You got to take care of your body,

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Speaker 1: your family. But listen to Quentin Nelson's perspective of what

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Speaker 1: has happened to the Colts at quarterback total honesty.

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Speaker 10: You know, you look around the league and see just

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Speaker 10: like the consistency of having like Patrick Mahomes or like

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Speaker 10: quarterback behind you that's been the franchise player for years

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Speaker 10: and years and years and getting to build that chemistry

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Speaker 10: with that quarterback year after years, something that there is

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Speaker 10: an advantage to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you ever notice the Travis Kelcey and Mahomes or

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Speaker 1: Brady and Edelman and Gronk on those third and fourth downs.

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Speaker 1: It's like they can read each other's mind because they can, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean when you watch these great connections between the

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Speaker 1: quarterback and the receiver. Yeah, jeffs Saturday and Peyton Manning

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Speaker 1: center quarterback for years. It's like those guys, they Jeff

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Speaker 1: Saturday and Peyton Manning two smart guys. They knew what

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Speaker 1: each other was thinking. When Ray Lewis is sneaking up

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Speaker 1: on the line, they know exactly what the other is

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Speaker 1: gonna do. Like there are just I feel bad for

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Speaker 1: the Colts, And I've said this thing about this, This

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Speaker 1: is why I think quarterbacks undervalue. Think about all the

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Speaker 1: good players the Cleveland Browns in recent years, have drafted

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Speaker 1: Nick Chubb, Miles Garrett, Denzel Ward David and Joku. The

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Speaker 1: guard Joel Bittonio tremendous guard. They have hit on. They

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Speaker 1: built a great offensive line. They stole Nick Chubb in

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Speaker 1: the second round. They can't get quarterback right and they

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Speaker 1: may have the worst team in the league now they're

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Speaker 1: gotta keep four quarterbacks. None great Houston. The McNair ownership

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Speaker 1: was arguably the bleakest ownership situation in the league. They

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Speaker 1: were the three previous years before c J. Stroud landed there.

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Speaker 1: This is nothing against the Miko Ryans, but the three

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Speaker 1: years before c J. Stroud losing his franchise in the

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Speaker 1: league dead last people last year like they took a

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Speaker 1: step back. I don't know, maybe your TV doesn't work

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Speaker 1: mine us. They made the playoffs in the AFC. That

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Speaker 1: was a down year for Houston.

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Speaker 8: C J.

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Speaker 1: Stroud the Packers have been consistent for thirty years. There

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Speaker 1: is one reason, because none of you like Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: They're always going to quarterback. I mean, the Tampa Bay

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Speaker 1: Bucks went seventeen years, seventeen with a lot of good

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Speaker 1: players without winning a playoff game. Got Brady's Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: got Baker playoffs. I think quarterback is undervalued. I have

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Speaker 1: said that. I think analytics can be overvalued by the nerds.

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Speaker 1: I think three point shots are great over the course

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Speaker 1: of a regular season, but I don't think the statistics

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Speaker 1: work in the playoffs. Where in the NBA, mid range

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Speaker 1: jumpers and physical play matter in the playoffs. In baseball analytics,

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Speaker 1: what are you kidding? In baseball playoffs, you'll bring a

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Speaker 1: starter out of the bullpen. I mean, it's just baseball

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Speaker 1: and basketball playoffs are different. In the NFL, I don't

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Speaker 1: care what the analytics say. If Andrew Luck had been

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Speaker 1: able to get healthy, this team would have been a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl team. I mean, I would trade the Colt

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Speaker 1: roster for the Bengals today, especially o line, run game,

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Speaker 1: head coach. I would trade the Colts and the Bengals

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Speaker 1: roster today. I looked at the NFL odds on the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: people are like, you know, they got a shot. It's

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Speaker 1: not the roster, it's not the defense, it's not the

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Speaker 1: run game. The head coach is okay, owners bad. Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow is single handedly has them in the Super Bowl bubble.

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Speaker 1: So I mean the commanders, I mean, I really like

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Speaker 1: dan Quinn. Dan Quinn with Sam Hollett quarterback is not

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Speaker 1: getting to the NFC Championship. So you can talk about

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Speaker 1: analytics all you want in sports, it's just a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I have defended the Indianapolis Colts on

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Speaker 1: the eleven quarterbacks. If Andrew Luck had retired even mid

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Speaker 1: season Thanksgiving or right after the season, okay, Ballard and

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Speaker 1: the guys in the front office can figure it out.

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Speaker 1: But retiring right before the season, I'd actually argue the

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Speaker 1: Colts have done a fairly remarkable job. They got Carson Wentz,

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Speaker 1: who had twenty seven touchdown seven picks, was actually successful

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Speaker 1: erst they didn't want him. Philip Rivers won eleven games,

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Speaker 1: was successful. I mean, actually, there's been moments with Joe

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Speaker 1: Flacco and Philip Rivers and Carson Wentz where you're like, man,

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Speaker 1: they got thrown into a tough spot. And so the

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson pick I talked to Chris Powder. They know

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Speaker 1: it wasn't perfect. Everybody kind of knew he had thirteen

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Speaker 1: college stars. He wasn't accurate in high school or college.

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Speaker 1: They knew that what they are hoping was we got

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Speaker 1: Shane Siken and Shane makes everybody great. I mean, Jalen

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Speaker 1: Hurt's second round pick looked like the best quarterback.

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Speaker 2: In the league.

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Speaker 1: You're like, wow, So if Shane Stiken can't get this

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Speaker 1: to work, it's not gonna work. It's like when Kyle

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Speaker 1: Shanahan's like, I'm gonna give up on Trey Lance. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that told you right there.

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Speaker 2: He's not a starter.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean he can't make the league. Good kid. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean Anthony Richardson can't stand in the league. Good kid.

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Speaker 1: But when a quarterback whisperer says, yeah, that's not work.

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Speaker 1: It's when McVeigh went and got Baker Mayfield. It's like,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, mcveigh's into Baker Mayfield. That told me, okay,

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Speaker 1: Baker Baker can play. Baker's gonna get He's gonna get

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Speaker 1: a second.

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Speaker 2: Or third act.

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Speaker 1: When, by the way, when Kyle Shanahan went and got

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald, I don't need you to start, but I

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Speaker 1: really like you that. I knew McVeigh like Donald, Shanahan

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Speaker 1: liked Sam Donald, Kevin O'Connell like Sam Donald. I knew that,

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Speaker 1: especially Shanahan and Kevin O'Connell, they really like Donald, so

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Speaker 1: I knew he could play. I knew he could play.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, this situation with the Colts is quarterback

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Speaker 1: is undervalued. You have to have one. And so I'm

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Speaker 1: going to defend people when they take swings because they're

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Speaker 1: trapped because they had the late great Jim Mersey was

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Speaker 1: incredibly impulsive, especially at the end. I mean, it's we

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Speaker 1: same way about quarterbacks. You have a quarterback. I mean,

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Speaker 1: look at the Kansas City Chiefs receiving corps the last

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Speaker 1: three years. Guys are getting in trouble off the field.

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Speaker 1: They got gadget guys they have. I mean, Brett Veach

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Speaker 1: doesn't whiff a lot, some sky More whiffs. There's Rashi

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Speaker 1: Mahomes makes it work. I mean they really they have

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Speaker 1: receivers a hard position to draft. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: immaturity at times. They've missed on some wide receiver picks,

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Speaker 1: like miss badly, and they don't miss badly on much,

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Speaker 1: but everybody misses on wide receiver picks. The Packers, the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: the e By the way, Howie Roseman's the best GM

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Speaker 1: in the league. Remember the kid they took John out

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Speaker 1: That didn't work for a first round pick. He bounced

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Speaker 1: around the league. So that is an incredibly difficult position

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Speaker 1: to draft wide receiver. I mean, we like John Lynch

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Speaker 1: and we like Kyle Shannon. They've missed on wide receiver picks.

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Speaker 1: So I guess my point is I'm defending the Colts

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Speaker 1: because I think the position is actually underappreciated relative to wins.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I think we've learned and we've

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Speaker 2: seen it now with Trey Lance, and we've seen it

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Speaker 2: with Anthony Richardson your parcels celebrity quarterback. I agree all

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Speaker 2: these guys are celebrities. But he was big on the

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Speaker 2: number of starts you made in college. And when you

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Speaker 2: look around the NFL, even the top guys, you know, Burrow,

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Speaker 2: young guys. Jalen Hurst Alabama, Oklahoma a ton of starts,

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Speaker 2: Purty four years, Iowa State, dak Prescott a ton of

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Speaker 2: you're at matter. Anthony Richardson Trey Lance barely played Shocker.

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Speaker 2: They were over their head when they missed Trubisky one

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Speaker 2: the larger the sample size is, it's harder to hide.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also think so much of it's like golf,

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Speaker 1: it's just wings. You just have to spend so much

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Speaker 1: able to grab a club like a Phil Mickelson. And

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Speaker 1: he knows. I mean, if you read the articles written

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Speaker 1: about Phil mckolson on his club choice, in his understanding

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Speaker 1: he knows what it does in humidity. Phil Mickolson knows

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Speaker 1: to the yard his club's high elevation desert, moist air,

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Speaker 1: dry air. And that's just reps that you know. Sixteen

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Speaker 1: year old golfer knows that. And so when you're playing college,

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Speaker 1: like I've said about Jackson Dart, if you start for

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Speaker 1: three years under Lane Kiffin's offense, you are ready to

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Speaker 1: play in the NFL because Lane's gonna put heat on you.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Jackson had some bad starts like

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Speaker 1: the Florida game. I'm like I'm out. But you know what,

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Speaker 1: like he got the.

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Speaker 2: Reps, isn't that good? You know? Patrick Mahomes struggled a lot,

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Speaker 2: Brock Purty struggle a lot. Josh Allen, they went into

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Speaker 2: all these games, they lost a lot of games. They

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Speaker 2: knew what it was like. Anthony Richson thirteen career starts

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Speaker 2: gets to the Colts who have the other thing Trey

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Speaker 2: Lance and Anthony Richardson have in common. They went to

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Speaker 2: teams with playoff aspirations. You didn't get to go to

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Speaker 2: the Jags where it's like, oh, we win six games, great,

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Speaker 2: you better win ten or like Antony, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if Anthony Richinson is on the team in two weeks, Colin,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you can get benched in this situation.

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Speaker 1: Stay.

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Speaker 2: I would not be stunned at all if he's traded,

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Speaker 2: not for much, but in the next couple of weeks

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Speaker 2: to a team heck, like a McVeigh and Andy Reid

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Speaker 2: just bringing me, let me work with him, and gets

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Speaker 2: you for nothing. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Carson Palmer is joining us, the three time pro bowler.

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Speaker 1: Next second Hour coming up,