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Speaker 1: Welcome to Between the Horns, presented by your Southern California

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Speaker 1: Toyota Dealers. This is week three. Cameroner went alongside JB

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Speaker 1: Long and Stu Jackson, and a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: short week for us, just because we're recording on Wednesday

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Speaker 1: instead of our traditional Thursday. A quick turnaround for each

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Speaker 1: of you. The last seventy two hours a little bit wild.

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Speaker 1: But how are you guys feeling coming into this?

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Speaker 2: I like that we did this on Wednesday. It's forty

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Speaker 2: nine er week. Why wait, let's get right to it

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Speaker 2: and turn the page. How about you, Stu?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think JB could have said it any better.

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Speaker 3: Let's turn the page and look ahead to what should

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Speaker 3: be an exciting rivalry game this Sunday.

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Speaker 2: I like that we don't lose anything in the bicep department.

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Speaker 2: JD to Stu here over in the third chair, though,

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Speaker 2: thank you, buddy, I can tell you already did curls

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Speaker 2: this morning.

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Speaker 1: I'm just waiting. I feel like we should sit like

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Speaker 1: this now because we're missing MJD.

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Speaker 3: Of course, classic, just doing my best MJD tribute.

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Speaker 1: Well, guys, before we move ahead, we have to take

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Speaker 1: a look back and We're starting this with a theme

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Speaker 1: and it's become somewhat of a trend as a new

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Speaker 1: wave of rams are currently getting placed on the IR,

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Speaker 1: including Jonah Jackson and John Johnson the third. This is

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Speaker 1: starting to become a trend and it's a tough one

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Speaker 1: the last seventy two hours. What are your perceptions of

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Speaker 1: what's going on in this organizations? Do all start with you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think what I draw on the most is

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Speaker 3: anytime I've seen you know, Cooper Cup especially you know,

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Speaker 3: post something after a loss, he always mentions, reflect, rectify,

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Speaker 3: and respond, and that seems most fitting and most appropriate,

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Speaker 3: especially this week, and it feels like that's what you know,

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Speaker 3: we're hearing from head coach Sean McVay and a lot

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Speaker 3: of the players like the circumstances are what they are.

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Speaker 3: It's about, you know, knowing your role and executing it

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Speaker 3: to the best of your ability, which you know is

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Speaker 3: going to require even guys who are already established roles

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Speaker 3: to you know, elevate themselves from a leadership standpoint and

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Speaker 3: bring some of those other guys along, especially those players

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Speaker 3: who will be in newer roles or expanded roles. So

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Speaker 3: I'm really looking forward to seeing how that response carries over,

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Speaker 3: especially into these next couple days of practice.

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Speaker 1: And JB, I know you sat down with Sean on Monday.

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Speaker 1: What did you take from your conversation with him, just

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Speaker 1: considering the numerous injuries that have now piled.

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Speaker 2: Up, Well, there were seven months of planning that went

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Speaker 2: into the season, right from the moment last year ends

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Speaker 2: in Detroit into the moment you kick off this year

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Speaker 2: against the Lions. There was a vision, there was a plan.

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Speaker 2: It was executed through free agency, through the draft, through OTA,

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Speaker 2: through training camp, and it didn't survive first contact, which

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Speaker 2: is a shame because where they have to go by

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Speaker 2: necessity from here. I'm not saying it's over. I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying they can't win games. I think they can win

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Speaker 2: the Sunday and we'll get to that. But the way

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Speaker 2: they're going to have to do it and how it's

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Speaker 2: going to look was not how they conceptualized it in

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Speaker 2: February March April forward. So you go from having seven

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Speaker 2: months to ramp up to seven days too. That's where

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Speaker 2: we are right now. It's a hard challenge. I know

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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers have their woes, but it's a

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Speaker 2: much different Mountain to overcome now than just about any

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Speaker 2: other team in the NFL is dealing with. But I

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Speaker 2: do think we need to touch on the people part

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Speaker 2: of this, right because it's more than just a player

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Speaker 2: going on injured reserve, Like these are people that we've

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Speaker 2: come to know and love and appreciate. And I found

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Speaker 2: myself reflecting a lot this week, Like I think in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, I appreciated what Cooper Cup was doing.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't just the yards that catches in the touchdowns,

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Speaker 2: it was the way he was blocking. But it was

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Speaker 2: seventeen games, like do you know how hard that is?

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Speaker 2: And then last year when Puka was doing it the

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Speaker 2: way that no rookie has done. I mean, I remember

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Speaker 2: when he slammed that shoulder down on the sideline at

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Speaker 2: he popped right back up and played that game Like

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Speaker 2: all those little moments that have to go right, and

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Speaker 2: the perseverance and the toughness to put together special, high

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Speaker 2: usage seasons like they had those two years. Again, I

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Speaker 2: just I hate that we're reminded of it right now.

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Speaker 2: And then I mean, with all due respect to our

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Speaker 2: one who's actually been in this position as a competitive

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Speaker 2: Like how many videos And it's not just Puka and Cooper,

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Speaker 2: this goes for everyone. Did we see this offseason like

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Speaker 2: the work they were putting in to give themselves a chance?

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Speaker 2: How many times did they throw up in Coop's yard?

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Speaker 2: You know, to have this moment and to just have

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Speaker 2: no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: Starting to oh in two not the way to go.

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Speaker 1: And it's been interesting for me in the last several

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Speaker 1: I think Sean has said time and time again throughout

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Speaker 1: this week just the amount of disappointment for the guys

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Speaker 1: then there's also the stuality right where he's still coming

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Speaker 1: accountable because the forty nine ers are just around the corner,

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Speaker 1: and I think from a coaching standpoint, nobody can do

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Speaker 1: it quite like Sean McVay and this staff. We've learned

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Speaker 1: to trust them, and I just I imagine how tough

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Speaker 2: Thankfully, they're so much better equipped to deal with it

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Speaker 2: than we are, Like the fans handle it better than

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Speaker 2: we do, and the coaches and the players handle it

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Speaker 2: better than all of us collectively. Like they have work

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Speaker 2: to do, they have an agenda, they have an itinerary

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Speaker 2: this week. The rest of us just have to kind

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Speaker 3: It isn't exactly an Apple's Apple's comparison. But the other

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Speaker 3: thing I think about, too, is, I mean, what this

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Speaker 3: then all the injuries they dealt with, they still this

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Speaker 3: Berth Again, It's an unprecedented health situation, especially compared to

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Speaker 2: Two things I've learned about this league. The NFL does

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Speaker 2: not care. You'll get no sympathy from anyone else, especially

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Speaker 2: not the forty nine ers. And the other thing is

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Speaker 2: I think an optimistic note for this week, which is,

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Speaker 2: just when you think you've got it figured out, just

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Speaker 2: when you think you know what's going to happen, Sunday

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Speaker 2: comes and completely changes your perspective. And as bad as

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Speaker 2: and the belief that four good quarters on Sunday can

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Speaker 1: Well, as much as this team is being called to rally,

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Speaker 1: we will do the same right here on between the words.

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Speaker 1: I like it. No, So let's talk a little takeaways

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Speaker 1: though from the Cardinals, because I feel like this was

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Speaker 1: a brutal concoction of potentially Kyler Murray playing the best

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Speaker 1: depleted Rams roster. What was your takeaways now that you've

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Speaker 1: had some time to sit with it from the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: Aaron Donald's not walking through that door. We might as

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Speaker 2: well turn the page and get on with it.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: I like the fact that Jared Verse was there, disruptive

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Speaker 2: step is finishing those plays. But when a quarterback has

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Speaker 2: Jared Goff played against the Vikings in that twenty eighteen season.

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Speaker 2: That was the first perfect game that I was a

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Speaker 2: part of. Vikings played well that night. There was nothing

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Speaker 2: for Marvin Harrison Junior and for Kyler Murray and James

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Speaker 2: Connor last week. Now, could the Rams have done things

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Speaker 2: starting with their first offensive snap and plus territory to

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Speaker 2: prevent them having that opportunity. Absolutely, and that's where they

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Speaker 2: have to go from here. You cannot let a quarterback

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately for me, it was how fortunate this team is

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Speaker 3: it results in a big game. You know, he really

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Speaker 2: Cameron Stue I think in many ways, Arizona last week

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Speaker 2: as a model for the Rams this week. I know,

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Speaker 2: they were not heavy underdogs like the Rams are in

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Speaker 2: nine street time. They were done with that. For most

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Speaker 2: and they played like it. They brought that suddenness, that urgency,

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Speaker 2: see that emotional advantage. I thought it was very clear

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Speaker 2: on Sunday. Now, I want to be very specific here.

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Speaker 2: The Rams have beaten the forty nine ers at Sofi Stadium,

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Speaker 2: and none of us would trade that win for any

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Speaker 2: other in our tenure. But let's be done with the

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Speaker 2: regular season one too, is my point. Let's see if

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Speaker 2: the Rams organizationally as a roster can bring that same Hey,

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Speaker 2: it ends here despite our circumstances, no more, not here,

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Speaker 2: not in our house.

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Speaker 1: It's funny you bring up to Marcus because that's now

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Speaker 1: back to back weeks where he's made a significant play

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Speaker 1: late in the game. I think it was a third

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Speaker 1: guy is starting to be somebody that you're not just

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Speaker 1: the goal. Obviously beat the forty nine ers. However, what

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Speaker 3: I think just better technique and fundamentals compared to what

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Speaker 1: How hard is that to do? Just from a standpoint

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, you got to step up, Yeah, pretty much.

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Speaker 1: When you look at the offensive line for the forty

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they got to Bertie six times and it caused

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Speaker 3: you know, Raheem Moster when he was with them excel

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Speaker 3: in that and you know some other running backs in

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Speaker 3: the past to JB's points. So it's it's a system

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Speaker 3: that you know, if if you know it well and

439
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Speaker 3: you know based on obviously the talent up front and

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Speaker 3: around you know, whoever's you know carrying the ball, puts

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Speaker 3: you in a pretty easy position, pretty good position to succeed.

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Speaker 1: How do the Rams walk away with a win versus

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers? What's your key?

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Speaker 2: Can I be honest with you this is always the truth,

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Speaker 2: But I don't know. But I don't know this week

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Speaker 2: in a way that I think is very helpful to

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Speaker 2: the Rams, which is they don't know either, like Nick

448
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Speaker 2: Sorenson does not know what's coming his way. Because to

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Speaker 2: our previous point, it could look different on offense this

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Speaker 2: week than it has traditionally with Sean mcvaygainst the forty

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Speaker 2: nine ers, and maybe that momentary element of surprise, depending

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Speaker 2: on what they're practicing out here this week, could play

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Speaker 2: to LA's advantage. Maybe that helps them play with a

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Speaker 2: lead leading into their running game a little bit. But

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Speaker 2: more practically, I think it's make your kicks get a

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Speaker 2: non offensive touchdown for the first time in forever, you know,

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Speaker 2: find your future, whether it's Jay Wit or Cam Kinchen's

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Speaker 2: or Omar space like, we don't know, and that's frustrating

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Speaker 2: and that's an uneasy feeling. But at the same time,

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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of upside potential there there.

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Speaker 1: Is danger in that there's no out.

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Speaker 3: I think kind of what I was talking about before

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Speaker 3: with evolution, just coming up with a plan that puts

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Speaker 3: these guys in position to succeed, which is something that

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Speaker 3: obviously McVeigh talks about every week. But you know, knowing

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Speaker 3: the what personnel you have, who you have available and

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Speaker 3: figuring out a way to maximize their availability is as

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Speaker 3: cliche as it sounds. Just given the especially the injury

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Speaker 3: situation of this team. You know, how can you maximize

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Speaker 3: a two too? How can you put Kyrien in the

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Speaker 3: run game in the best possible position to succeed even

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Speaker 3: with the offensive line being banged up. Things like that,

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Speaker 3: I think that this is a this would be is

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Speaker 3: such an incredible opportunity to maybe try some new things

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Speaker 3: to get that first one of the season, and you

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Speaker 3: know what better matchup or environment to you know, learn,

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Speaker 3: you know what works and what might be effective.

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Speaker 2: Right, here's one thing I've taken solace in this week.

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Speaker 2: You probably have too, is last week is the exception,

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Speaker 2: not the rule.

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Speaker 1: In the league.

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Speaker 2: Like blowouts are rare, blowouts in conference play and division play,

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Speaker 2: they don't happen very often. The norm is games being

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Speaker 2: decided by three, four, five plays, and you can circle them.

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Speaker 2: Almost every week we go back to Detroit and say,

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Speaker 2: these are the three four or five plays that decided

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Speaker 2: that game. The Rams didn't win those competitive moments, you

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Speaker 2: could see a scenario where they would have. And so

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Speaker 2: I'm banking on the fact that because it's a familiar opponent,

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Speaker 2: because the Rams are supremely motivated, because they're finally home,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be a small handful of plays that

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Speaker 2: if they break the Rams way, they'll be right there

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Speaker 2: with a chance to quote unquote upset the San Francisco

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Speaker 2: forty nine ers, and then we'll be having a different

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Speaker 2: chat next week.

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Speaker 1: You talk about the rivalry and there is something to

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Speaker 1: be said about juice right going into that and the motivation.

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Speaker 1: Don't underestimate it, And at least from my perspectives, as

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Speaker 1: they go into this, I'm sitting here going their backs

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Speaker 1: against the wall. They have something to prove and they've

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Speaker 1: been asked to do that. And I think there's something

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Speaker 1: about this this staff and this team that is going

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Speaker 1: to rise to the challenge. And a few names too

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Speaker 1: that I think you mentioned Kitchens and he's going to

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Speaker 1: play probably critical role in this. Considering John Johnson out

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Speaker 1: of the mix. Why do you like Kitchens?

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Speaker 3: For me, it's his versatility And he talked when I

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Speaker 3: talked to him during the preseason just he mentioned that

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Speaker 3: he felt like he was going to be put in

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Speaker 3: a position to, you know, show how much of an

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Speaker 3: all round safety he is essentially, and I think he's

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Speaker 3: got the ability to play either star or at safety.

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Speaker 3: Looked like toward the end of last week's game that

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Speaker 3: they were kind of experimenting with that figuring out. Okay,

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Speaker 3: if we're going to put in terms of you know,

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Speaker 3: replacing John Johnson, are we going to put Quinton Lake

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Speaker 3: next to Cam curl or are we going to put

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Speaker 3: cam Kinchin's And so kind of interesting to see how

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Speaker 3: that works out. But he was somebody who showed up,

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Speaker 3: you know, pretty consistently in joint practices and even in

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Speaker 3: training camp. And you know, Sean McVay had a lot

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Speaker 3: of good things to say about him on Monday as

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Speaker 3: well in terms of just you know, physicality and command

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Speaker 3: and things like that. So you know, he he did

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Speaker 3: play you know, in multiple spots in the secondary at Miami,

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Speaker 3: so he does have that ability, and so we'll see

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Speaker 3: what that looks like. But I'm really excited to see

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Speaker 3: just that physicality and that range out on the field.

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Speaker 1: There's going to be a new version of the Rams

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Speaker 1: in Sofi Stadium just a few days from now. I

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Speaker 1: like to end on a bright spot, and I feel

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Speaker 1: like Special Teams was that bright spot off of this

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Speaker 1: past week. Let's talk a little Blake Korb. He started

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Speaker 1: off the game beautifully. What are your expectations for him

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Speaker 1: in this one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was a real bright spot and

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Speaker 2: you hate that it happened on the first play of

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Speaker 2: the game and the Rams didn't capitalize. But I think

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Speaker 2: between Evans downing some nice punds, cardis staying perfect on

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Speaker 2: the season. I know he's dealing with an injury. I

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Speaker 2: hope to make to Sunday, but this is one of

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Speaker 2: those moments. This is one of those games where you

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Speaker 2: have to be a letter perfect, you have to win

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Speaker 2: that third phase. And I think for the first time

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Speaker 2: in a while, you can go into this contest saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: we're right there on level footing, maybe even a notch

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Speaker 2: ahead of where the forty nine ers are in the

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Speaker 2: caking game.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think.

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Speaker 1: Back to last year too, we were wondering so much

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Speaker 1: about special teams. You're going, hey, this is feeling a

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Speaker 1: lot more solidified into this season, so that's your plus.

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Speaker 1: And then we talked a little Jared verse. But any

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Speaker 1: final thoughts on him because he is everything that we

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Speaker 1: expected him to be coming out of this draft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to see the impact that he

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Speaker 2: has in the tone that he sets, because I think

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Speaker 2: he's the person not just talent wise, but disposition that

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Speaker 2: you brought in for this reason. Yeah, like he needs

560
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Speaker 2: to establish a reputation as Hey, Trent Williams, you and me,

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Speaker 2: let's go like that's a tall order, a big matchup totally.

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Speaker 2: But you know, as much as we bemoan the mist tackles,

563
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Speaker 2: the miss sack attempts against Kyler, what a great opportunity

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Speaker 2: to level up and shore that up. I know Perdi's

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Speaker 2: not Kyler, but he is incredibly elusive inside and just

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Speaker 2: off platform. And so if you get a chance to

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Speaker 2: take him down or to stripsack him, make the most

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Speaker 2: of it. Young man. Can't wait?

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Speaker 3: Yeah I would. I would agree with that, I think too,

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Speaker 3: you know when I talk to him this offseason about

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Speaker 3: just how vocal he is and and the purpose behind that,

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Speaker 3: Like this would be as good of a game as

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Speaker 3: any to you know, speak up and and and talk

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Speaker 3: as much as he does, because the main reason behind

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Speaker 3: it is it not only gets him going, but he

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Speaker 3: does it to get his teammates going too. And so

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Speaker 3: you know, again time place situation, depending on how the

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Speaker 3: game is going. But you know, there is there there

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Speaker 3: are I could see you know, that being something that's useful,

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Speaker 3: especially for galvanizing the.

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Speaker 2: Steveense and maybe even keep your eye out. He may

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Speaker 2: not be the one to complete the hit, but watch

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Speaker 2: what he does on some of these games where he

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Speaker 2: just absolutely washes out that left guard and next thing

585
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Speaker 2: you know, Brandon Fisk is running unabated for the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Like that is that is Jared Verus doing it for

587
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Speaker 2: his former Florida State teammate, and they're one and the same.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, I didn't put this on the sheet,

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you to rally because

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Speaker 1: it's the home opener push ups, but we need to

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Speaker 1: see Ramsay in Sofi Stadium. What's your rally cry to

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Speaker 1: the Ramley coming into this home opener against forty nine ers.

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Speaker 3: You never know who could emerge in games like this

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Speaker 3: rivalry game, shorthanded depleted because of injury. I get it,

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Speaker 3: but like how many people saw Puka having the season

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Speaker 3: he would end up having. I mean that being the

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Speaker 3: biggest example of somebody who was kind of under the

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Speaker 3: radar who emerged and ended up shining and being one

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Speaker 3: of the stories of the season. That's the way I

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Speaker 3: look at this game, like who's next, Who's going to

601
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Speaker 3: step up? Like who's somebody that this team will be

602
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Speaker 3: able to count on over the next several weeks that

603
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Speaker 3: has a has a really strong game or has a

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Speaker 3: meaningful performance that also captivates this fan base.

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Speaker 2: I would say your ticket gives you the best view

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Speaker 2: in the world to the escalators at Sofi Stadium, and

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Speaker 2: if you were there at the NFC Championship game in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: If I could drop the MIC, I would, but it's

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Speaker 1: currently attachment. Well said by both of you. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us on Between the Horns for this

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Speaker 1: week three edition, presented by your Southern California toilet dealers again,

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Speaker 1: Cameron Irwin, J. B. Long, Stu Jackson, and we will

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Speaker 1: see you in Sofi on Sunday,