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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zaren Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: You know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so glad you asked me that

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Speaker 2: ten gallon hats?

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Speaker 3: Yes, totalous, right?

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Speaker 2: If you poured water in them or like beer or

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Speaker 2: champagne or whatever, do you know how much it would hold?

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Speaker 2: How much liquid?

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Speaker 3: Ten gallons?

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Speaker 2: No, one gallon?

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Speaker 3: One gallon?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So people are always like, wait a minute, how much?

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Speaker 2: Why is it called a ten gallon hat if it

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Speaker 2: only holds one gallon of liquid, like, you know, like

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Speaker 2: smart alec kids like me. Well, it turns out there's

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Speaker 2: a good guard darn reason for that. The term is

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Speaker 2: actually galloon, and it refers to a certain kind of braid,

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Speaker 2: like a braided band that used to be popular, and

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Speaker 2: they were worn by the Mexican baccaros around their hat

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Speaker 2: and you could fit ten galloons on that hat. So

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Speaker 2: it was a ten galloon hat. The Americans and then

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Speaker 2: the English speakers of the region they got it. They're like,

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Speaker 2: you got a ten gallon hat there for me, partner,

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Speaker 2: you hurt me, Pedro, give me one of them hats? Icked?

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Speaker 2: How of that look on you? Now? These braided ribbons,

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Speaker 2: they are called the galloon. So the next time you

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Speaker 2: hear it, if you really want to be the smart

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Speaker 2: out kid, you can crack and be like, actually it's

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Speaker 2: a ten galloon hat. So there you go. Ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Huh, you're very ridiculous. Uh do you want to know

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Speaker 3: what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Girl? I came here for it?

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Speaker 3: Wire Tapping. What this is? Ridiculous Crime A podcast about

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Speaker 3: absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's always ninety

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Speaker 3: nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous. Damn

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Speaker 3: right now, you just hit us on Tuesday with a

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Speaker 3: big Hollywood story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I did.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to hit you back. Oh really? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're going back to tinseltown.

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Speaker 2: Bring you baby.

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Speaker 3: I want to read a quote to you from today's

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Speaker 3: Fellow Sure quote. You have to be honorable, you have

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Speaker 3: to keep your word, and you have to be loyal.

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Speaker 3: Were there things that I did that other people find

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Speaker 3: unreasonable or despicable or whatever adjective you want to use.

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Speaker 3: I don't care. I care about that person who entrusted

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Speaker 3: me to solve their problem. That's who I care about.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, swifty Lazar, Now who is this?

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Speaker 3: So this is a man with a code, and that

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Speaker 3: code is that he doesn't give a tinker's damn about

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Speaker 3: what is legal and what is illegal.

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Speaker 2: Oh so one of our people, one.

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Speaker 3: Of our people. He had a client and he would

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Speaker 3: do whatever he needed to do in order to meet

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Speaker 3: or exceed that client's request.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is not Swifty Lazarre.

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Speaker 3: No, this man Anthony Pelicano.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he was born Anthony Joseph Pelican l Junior in

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Speaker 3: nineteen forty four in Cicero, Illinois, al Capone's hometown.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, gangster rich, and it's something that he liked

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Speaker 3: So he had these Sicilians Sicilian grand parents. When they

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Speaker 3: came over, they americanized the family name to Pelican or

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Speaker 3: Pelican in order to get by in their new homeland.

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Speaker 3: But Anthony true to his roots. When he became an adult,

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Speaker 3: he went back to the original Pelicano.

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Speaker 2: He's a compone's not going to trust anybody named Pelican

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Speaker 2: Pelicano exactly.

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Speaker 3: So he joins the US Army Signal Corps. When they

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Speaker 3: asked him what he wanted to do, he said electronics

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Speaker 2: Good answer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he trained to be a cryptographer because like when

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Speaker 3: He got stationed in France, and that meant no Vietnam, people.

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Speaker 2: Who like electronics don't usually get shot in the army, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Smart move. So when he got out of.

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Speaker 2: The army, he, I mean when you say it in

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Speaker 3: Arrein Yeah, I don't mean that when you enlist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tell them.

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Speaker 3: So he gets out of the army, he gets a

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Speaker 2: He becomes not for the mob, he's actually legit collect

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Speaker 2: He's still wearing.

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Speaker 3: That suit exactly, and so in nineteen sixty nine he

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Speaker 3: decides to officially become a private investigator. Have you ever

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Speaker 3: met a PI?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a friend of a PI. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I knew someone who transitioned out of that gig. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And she said it was lots of like sitting in

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Speaker 3: the car in the car, divorce work, taking pictures of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. That still is the thing. Like from the

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Speaker 2: nineteen thirties on, it's been the same thing. Sit in

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Speaker 2: didn't have to take.

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Speaker 3: Exactly. So Pelicano he sees all these ads in the

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Speaker 3: Yellow Pages for pis and he figures he should like

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Speaker 3: start out at an established office. So this is what

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Speaker 3: he told La Times.

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Speaker 2: Quote.

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Speaker 3: So I called the biggest ad in there, and I said, listen,

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Speaker 3: been looking for this missing little girl for six weeks

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Speaker 3: and I found her in two days. How with intelligence, logic,

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Speaker 2: So he really did. Yeah, he didn't just go down

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Speaker 2: and like like bribe the right peo people.

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Speaker 3: He knows how to do these things. A character.

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Speaker 2: He was a good detective. Oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: According to Vanity Fair quote, he drove a large linking continental,

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Speaker 3: sealed his letters with monogrammed wax, and hung samurai swords

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Speaker 3: in his office. At various times. He gave his employees

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Speaker 3: and family members necklaces bearing a small golden horn he

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Much of his early work involved missing persons. A nineteen

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Speaker 2: So I think he used to have an office on

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Speaker 3: He did.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that, okay. I remember people have pointed

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Speaker 2: it out, like they'd be like, you know, that's pelicanas exactly.

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Speaker 3: So seventy seven he made a splash by finding the

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Speaker 3: stolen remains of Mike Todd, Elizabeth Taylor's third husband. Oh wow,

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Speaker 3: so remains stolen? Tell me more?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he must.

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Speaker 3: Mike Todd died in a plane crash and he was

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Speaker 3: him was quote basically a handful of dust and what

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Speaker 2: He was buried with a seat belt. This is also

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Speaker 2: his returnal remains.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's just a little bit of stuff that's a

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Speaker 2: They didn't even get like a little Crown royal bag

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Speaker 3: I don't know why I rubbed it. So around June

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Speaker 3: Eric Yes, So June twenty eighth, Pelicano, he calls Chicago's

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Speaker 3: then they tell the cops, which you know is the

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Speaker 3: and it is on Pelicano. He stands in front of

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Speaker 3: instructions that he had received from his tipster. And so

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Speaker 3: then he starts walking the number of paces indicated.

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Speaker 2: There's numbered paces. He walks like a treasure map.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. He gets around seventy five yards away from the

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Speaker 3: Pelicano pointing at a pile of leaves. Now, the cops

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Speaker 3: and he pulls out a rubber bag. What how on

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Speaker 2: Do you want my real answer?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: So he told the Chicago Sun Times that the tip

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Speaker 3: I think they felt they made a tremendous mistake. He said.

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Speaker 3: The information was volunteered to me. I'm a public figure

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Speaker 2: They could feel my heat on the collar. I was

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Speaker 2: in hot pursuits. They were like, can't mister Pelicano.

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Speaker 3: But that's not all, he says. That wasn't all other

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Speaker 2: Oh multiple, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Well, supposedly the thieves were looking for a ten carrot

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Speaker 2: Thought Elizabeth would just put it in there as.

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Speaker 3: Like a right well, Liz had it though, of.

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Speaker 2: Course she loves the rings and diamonds in particular.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, so everyone figured it was probably the Chicago mob

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Speaker 3: behind the whole thing. Oh okay, but the big rumor

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Speaker 3: and that that publicity worked though, yeah, exactly. So he

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he'd gone through this thing where he because

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Speaker 3: on some like police board. But then sure in Chicago, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but then he embezzles money or he does something and

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Speaker 2: It is like at the end of the Richard Daly

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Speaker 2: era Chicago Sun.

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Speaker 3: So his particular expertise was deciphering tape recordings, okay, oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: And in nineteen seventy four he was hired by the

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Speaker 3: lawyers for Nixon's secretary. What they wanted him to recover

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Speaker 3: that eighteen year gap in the water.

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Speaker 2: And to be able to prove that it had been

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so he said he couldn't recover them and

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Speaker 3: he thought that the erasure was unintentional. Oh yeah, sure, buddy.

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Speaker 3: So you know he did all sorts of other stuff.

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Speaker 3: Where next, though, Where next? Elizabeth, when in doubt, moved

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Speaker 2: That's if you shake all like the country loose, that's

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Speaker 2: throw all the loose nuts goots exactly.

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Speaker 3: He goes to Los Angeles Old Tinseltown nineteen eighty two.

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Speaker 3: He boosted his profile by hinting that he had connections

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Speaker 3: As exactly exactly. So around nineteen eighty nine, he gets

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Speaker 3: Ken Aletta wrote for The New Yorker that Fields and

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Speaker 2: And he wears great suits.

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Speaker 3: Yes he did, he did rip so. Pelicano's first gig

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Speaker 3: But this was none other than producer Don Simpson. Oh no, Simpson,

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Speaker 3: Talked about it before. He was completely out of control.

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Speaker 6: But his serious Hollywood power player. Oh totally but completely

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So his assistant alleged that Simpson quote snorted cocaine

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Speaker 2: That sounds like they have yes, sounds like a Monday.

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Speaker 3: Is that New Yorker piece? It says quote Pelicano uncovered

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Speaker 2: I love it gross the character assassination in American criminals

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Speaker 3: Oh and Pelicano it seems yeah.

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Speaker 3: Pelicano he had other stuff to do with Don Simpson.

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Speaker 3: In August of nineteen ninety five, the doctor who was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so Pelicano's called before the cops. So he

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Speaker 3: Toxicology eventually revealed that the doctor had a whole messa

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Speaker 3: See the same thing happened in nineteen ninety six. The

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Speaker 2: Tragic day for my friend.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 3: Another client of Field's former beatle, George Harrison, he had

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have expected that.

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Speaker 3: He was getting threatening letters. And that's when he brought

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Speaker 3: Fields hired Pelicano again, and Pelicano found the letter writer

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Speaker 2: Damn, he is good. I gotta do that.

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Speaker 3: So this is why Fields work, right, So Fields told

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Speaker 3: He was just better. I don't know how he did it.

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Speaker 3: It certainly wasn't wire tapping. So like wire tapping, why

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Speaker 3: Who said that? But wiretapping is the tip of the

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Speaker 3: Fields was all in with Pelicano. So, according to Pelicano's employees,

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Speaker 3: per Vanity, fair Fields quote brought Pelicano into DreamWorks Animation

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Speaker 3: CEO Jeffrey Katzenberg's litigation with Disney's Michael Eisner.

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Speaker 3: Tom Cruise's defense against a gay porn stars sex allegations.

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Speaker 2: I forgot about the Mike Myers.

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Speaker 3: You liked the late great Gary Shandling, right, Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yes, Since I can't think of an occasion when you

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Speaker 2: I'm familiar.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you all about it and how Anthony Pelicano

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Speaker 3: So when we last spoke, I was telling you about

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Speaker 3: So Gray he started out in Hollywood as a talent

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Speaker 3: Gray hired Bert Fields and countersued. Yeah. So Fields, of

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Speaker 3: course brings in Anthony Pelicano. Pelicano had a cop run

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Speaker 3: also wiretapped every single one of those people. Both lawsuits

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Speaker 3: two things, the open secret of Pelicano's illegal wiretapping and

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Speaker 2: I wonder where they got the material.

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Speaker 3: I know some inspiration. So Pelicano, he's obsessed with the

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Speaker 3: The whole music in his Office was the soundtrack for

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Speaker 3: I know you're like waiting for you. He wore sunglasses

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Speaker 3: in Godfather Took. His son, Luca, was named after Luca Brozi,

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Speaker 2: Who was an actual mob enforcer, and then got brought

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Speaker 3: You know what. He sleeps with the fishes, dude, Luk.

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Speaker 3: So that SAMEX wife Kat one of many I've said.

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Speaker 2: With it, so that O and Pelicans really jumping out

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Speaker 3: He once told a reporter quote, guys who with me,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, his old friend Louisville exactly mister slugger.

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Speaker 3: He was like deep into the whole Omerta.

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Speaker 3: Loyalty silence. He had his staff abide by Omerta.

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Speaker 2: How was he They do it with a ritual, like

445
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,399
Speaker 2: making them like they come into the office on on

446
00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:51,560
Speaker 2: Tuesday night, we're doing.

447
00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:53,800
Speaker 3: We're going to burn a prayer card. I don't know.

448
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,480
Speaker 3: He called himself the sin eater, Oh God, that he

449
00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,720
Speaker 3: absorbed his clients sins and wrongdoings and made them disappear

450
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 3: by making them his. So let's circle back though to wire.

451
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 2: I guess that's better than being the death eater, you know, So.

452
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 3: Wire Wire, what I didn't say? He was a wire tapper.

453
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,920
Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety five, he got himself a computer programmer

454
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 3: named Kevin Katchikian, and he had Kachiki and develop a

455
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 3: system to intercept telephone. Yeah right, gotta love them. The

456
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,439
Speaker 3: two of them called this system that he developed teleslouth okay,

457
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,640
Speaker 3: and they even applied for a trademark on it. Nothing

458
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 3: ever came of that, but Kachikian developed another program that

459
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 3: went along with Telesleuth called Forensic Audio Sleuth Okay. This

460
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,360
Speaker 3: one analyzed and enhanced audio recordings.

461
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm sure they kind of used similar with

462
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,680
Speaker 2: the use now with all the like the passes where

463
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 2: they do a past and they can do gain exactly exactly.

464
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,120
Speaker 3: So he he creates one Pelicano then bribed two Pacific

465
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 3: Bell employees to rig poes so that Teleslouth could listen

466
00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 3: in on the calls.

467
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 2: We need material.

468
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 3: Tell us the interception was done at the level of

469
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 3: the phone company. It wasn't done in the home.

470
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 2: He wasn't wiring there, he wasn't breaking in.

471
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 3: He's not there's no home break in. If he's sweep

472
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 3: for bugs, you're not gonna find any, tell us. Luth

473
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 3: then link the calls to Pelicanos office computers and.

474
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 2: It says like someone else is on this line.

475
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 3: What the hell they'd hear like little clicks and whatever. So,

476
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,640
Speaker 3: since the computers could only wire tap recordings from their

477
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 3: own area code in order, like so he's in three

478
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 3: ten and he's able to tap three tens. So but

479
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 3: for him to get calls in three two, three two

480
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 3: on three six, two, six, eight, one eight, all the

481
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 3: other south Land area codes, he had to rent an

482
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 3: apartment in each area code where he could establish a

483
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 3: computer and a hard drive. Yeah, exactly. All of this

484
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 3: was totally illegal. Oh yeah, totally because in California, all

485
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,679
Speaker 3: parties to any confidential conversation have to give their consent

486
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 3: to be recorded.

487
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 2: You cannot record a person on the phone in California.

488
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 3: That's in most places it's two parties and it's one,

489
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 3: but that means that one of the already has to

490
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 3: be the originator of the recording this. You know, he's

491
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 3: just snoop and it's illegal everywhere. So everyone suspected that

492
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 3: Pelicano was tapping phones somehow, and he most certainly was,

493
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 3: and it was getting him results. The La Times called

494
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 3: him the least private private eye in town. So he

495
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 3: got He got hired by Tom Cruise during his divorce

496
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,120
Speaker 3: from Nicole Edman. Kidman had her phone swept for bugs

497
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 3: all the time, and she knew about Pelicano, and the

498
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 3: sweeps always came up empty because the tap wasn't on

499
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 3: her phone. When she was talking to friends, she would joke, quote, Tom,

500
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 3: are you listening? Am I saying what you want me

501
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 3: to say? And Pelicano. Pelicano also had a direct line

502
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 3: to the National Inquirer, and so he would leak stories

503
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 3: to them all the time, and he did that a

504
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 3: lot for Tom Cruise against Nicole Kidman.

505
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: Interesting.

506
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 3: He had tons of celebrity clients. Jerry Springer used him

507
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 3: to find out how he was videotaped in a threesome

508
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 3: with porn star Kendrid Jade and her stepmom.

509
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: What yeah, I read that and what I don't sentence?

510
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 3: I say what, but I want it to stop right there.

511
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: One time mayor of Cleveland.

512
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 3: Exactly, Chris Rock came to Pelicano when he was facing

513
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 3: a paternity lawsuit filed by a Hungarian model. The tapes

514
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 3: of their conversations are amazing.

515
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 2: Wait, the Hungarian model Chris.

516
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 3: Rock no Pelicano and Rock Pelicano calls Rock honey. He's like, listen, honey,

517
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna yeah. Chris Rock is just like exasperated to

518
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 3: the whole thing. They have a very graphic conversation about

519
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 3: like how this could have happened. Okay, Yeah, it's amazing.

520
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 3: There's a tape of him talking to Courtney Love and

521
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 3: he calls her a baby and he postures about like

522
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 3: his strong arm tactics.

523
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: So Pelicanna just calls everybody baby baby honey.

524
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. He tells her quote, if you come to me,

525
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 3: that's the end of that. I'm an old style Sicilian.

526
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: I only go one way. I'm very heavy hand in. Honey,

527
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 3: love super into it.

528
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 2: She's like yeah, oh, She's like perfect, I need a

529
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: hammer just like you.

530
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 3: And that's the thing, Like there's an appeal to a

531
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 3: fixer like that, this is what you want from a

532
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 3: someone can just make your make your problems go way. Yeah,

533
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 3: And there's a certain excitement, like a romance of the

534
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 3: notion that, like this person is ruthless and they'll use

535
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 3: muscle and intimidation to do your bidding.

536
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 2: Mmmm. And also I think though, if you go one

537
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 2: step past that, you want the Ray Donovan, which is

538
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: discretion is the better part of valor. So not only

539
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: will he like crack heads or like make people cried

540
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: and say I take back what I said or whatever,

541
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: but also no one ever.

542
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: Hears, oh never knows exactly. But see there's always another

543
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 3: side to it. That's like those on the receiving ends.

544
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, it's terrible for them. This is not

545
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: anything we would know or recognize as justice.

546
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 4: No.

547
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 3: His most infamous case was in nineteen ninety three, Bert

548
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 3: Field's and a team of lawyers. They brought Pelicano in

549
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: to help defend Michael Jackson from child molestation charges.

550
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where they attack the family.

551
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: Pelicano signs on, but he said he would only do

552
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 3: so if Jackson wasn't guilty. I will only work for

553
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 3: him if he didn't do this, okay. And then he

554
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 3: said he told Jackson, quote, you don't have to worry

555
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 3: about or lawyers. If I find out anything, I will

556
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: you over. Yeah.

557
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 2: Damn. Does he know that Michael Jackson was always alleged

558
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 2: to be an actual cryp, like like an honorary crypt

559
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: he only wore blue. He was like, the rumors. I

560
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: don't know the truth of it, but the rumors, the

561
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: alleged rumors is that Michael Jackson's affiliated, like deep with

562
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: the crips.

563
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 3: I am in love with that rumors. So you know, Pelicano.

564
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 3: He threatens Jackson, if you really did this, it's over

565
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 3: for you.

566
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 2: It's curtains for you, okay.

567
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,959
Speaker 3: And then he turns around. He goes after the family

568
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 3: of the thirteen year old accuser and digs up any

569
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,719
Speaker 3: dirt he can find. He then organized a CNN interview

570
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 3: with Wade robson a kid who was in that Jackson sphere.

571
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 3: He later goes on to be like a choreographer, I think,

572
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 3: but at the time he's like a tween staying at

573
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 3: Neverland Ranch. And in the interview, Robson he just like

574
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 3: vehemently denies that anything like that had happened. He says,

575
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 3: he slept in the same bed as Jackson, but absolutely nothing.

576
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: Under story of like, I vehemently denied these allegations because

577
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: nothing like that happened for me.

578
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 3: Right, But then years later Robson goes public says, yes,

579
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 3: I was actually sexually abused by Jackson.

580
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah.

581
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 3: Robson's mother said that she was coerced by Pelicano into

582
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 3: doing the CNN interview that absolved Jackson of all guilt.

583
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: So Jackson in the original family they have eventually settled.

584
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 3: Pelicano he got a pretty penny out of the world.

585
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: How pretty this penny?

586
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: A million dollar fee, a million dollar bonus, and a

587
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 3: Mercedes Benz convertible. Wow, throwing a Benz.

588
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: He's throwing like a picture of a sign, picture of bubbles,

589
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: the chimp.

590
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 3: Probably handprint on it, exactly. So Pelicano later said though

591
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 3: that he fired Jackson as a client. What he said

592
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 3: he fired him because he said he apparently he found

593
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 3: out about other even darker truths about Jackson. Pelicano said, quote,

594
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 3: he did something far worse to young boys than molest them,

595
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 3: which I don't.

596
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: Want to know what that could be. I don't even

597
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 2: want to imagine.

598
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 3: And Pelicano was like, I'm out of here, which he

599
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 3: kind of he was supposed to be out of earlier.

600
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,239
Speaker 2: And also he was supposed to f people up if

601
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 2: he found out that he was guilty. He did not

602
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: live up to his word.

603
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: Mister Omerta, who's not alive right now?

604
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 6: Oh, I just I just a joke because I'm not

605
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 6: I'm not accused that doctor.

606
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 2: Wasn't just so you know, absent minded or whatever.

607
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 3: But here's the thing, like, uh, Pelicano, he claimed that

608
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 3: he was offered five hundred thousand dollars to tell the

609
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 3: story of whatever darker deeds, but he refused why. I

610
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 3: don't know.

611
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: I thought he loved money and all that.

612
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 3: I don't know. So Pelicano, he just keeps wire tapping

613
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 3: and intimidating along.

614
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: She was like, I got wire tapping to do. I

615
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: don't have time to.

616
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: Talk, so busy about this. So there's a Canadian newspaper

617
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: publishing era named Taylor Thompson. She hired Pelicano to assist

618
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 3: her in a custody battle.

619
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: Okay, like Toronto Star paper.

620
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, all the like yeah, the bigness. So Thompson

621
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: was rich, violently rich, as I like. Oh yes, her

622
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: family is worth fourteen point nine billion. Oh yeah, and

623
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 3: Forbes said that she was the one hundred and fifty

624
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 3: ninth richest woman in the world.

625
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 2: Congratulations, it's me.

626
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: Thompson was living in la with her toddler daughter, as

627
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 3: is the fashion for the rich who don't have a

628
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 3: day job, she hired a nanny. Oh of course, kid,

629
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 3: a woman named Pamela Miller. So Thompson's ex still lived

630
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 3: in Canada. He wanted more visitation rights for his daughter.

631
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: Cue the lawsuits. Miller's paycheck came from Thompson, so when

632
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 3: it came time to go to court, she felt like

633
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 3: she had to back up her employer. Of course, but

634
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 3: it wasn't the truth. Miller thought Thompson was lying when

635
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 3: she said she spent a lot of time with her daughter,

636
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 3: because Miller said the truth was I was the one

637
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: who had the kid all day long and Thompson was

638
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: away from home many many nights. That's not all. Here's

639
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: here's the amazing, horrible stuff. Miller wasn't allowed to give

640
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 3: the two year old any carbohydrates because her mother, quote

641
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 3: wanted her to be very thin.

642
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: You got a two year old on a diet. She's like,

643
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: look at these rolls? Can we get rid of my roll?

644
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 3: All up in the ass makes the kid?

645
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: I don't like it. I want to see the bone.

646
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 3: I want the bone. I want I want to see.

647
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: Color and ribs. That's what I want to see. February

648
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: a racehorse ribs.

649
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: February of two thousand and two. The little girl complained

650
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: of an earache, and Miller, the nanny, said that Thompson

651
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: the mom poured olive oil and sawtaed onions into the

652
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: ear to soothe the pain.

653
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: What I can't is that, even like an old wife,

654
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: the kid's not an omelet.

655
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: I don't know. I've never heard that sawtaed onions in

656
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 3: an ear?

657
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: Are you shoving it down in the netty pot? Like

658
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: how does that work?

659
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: I don't know? Like, of course it doesn't work. So

660
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 3: the kid is even in more pain. Yeah, Miller had

661
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: to stay up all night to soothe her because like,

662
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 3: where's the mom. She dumps the stuff in her ear

663
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 3: and takes.

664
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: Off, and now she's got like a mess and an infection. Yeah.

665
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: So that was the last straw for Miller than nanny.

666
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: She rang up the dad in Canada. He was understandably upset.

667
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: Because he's like, I can't take care of the kid

668
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: and you are in the air.

669
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Miller is now on his side in the

670
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: court case. She signed an affi David affirming that you

671
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 3: know what she'd seen and what she experience and of course,

672
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: you know, Thompson gets word of this and fires her. Okay,

673
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: So Thompson found out that she had called you know,

674
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: the and was planning to help in the case. So

675
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 3: she turns around and she hires Anthony Pelicanoh charge was

676
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: to make Miller's life miserable.

677
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:19,719
Speaker 2: Yes, I call that one.

678
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 3: According to Vanity Fair quote, whenever she would get a

679
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: new nanny job, she would be let go. Within weeks

680
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 3: of her being hired by a member of the Michael

681
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: Douglas family, she was let go. The same thing happened

682
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: when she went to work for producer John Peters. Pelicana

683
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: would stalk her going as far as to sit directly

684
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: behind her in a movie theater. She was wiretapped, and

685
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 3: members of her family had their private information illegally accessed.

686
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: They went so far as to take photos of her

687
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: when she was with the children she had been hired

688
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 3: to watch. Needless to say, not many wealthy parents wanted

689
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: to keep a nanny who was being photographed with their children. Yes, yeah,

690
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 3: so charming. Charming.

691
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: Wow.

692
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 3: It wasn't just the foes of his clients that he

693
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 3: went after. He also went after well, yeah, the press exactly.

694
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: So there's this journalist with the show Hard Copy, which

695
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: I'm tempted to put the word journalist in quotation marks.

696
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 3: We're talking about that show. But I suppose technically she

697
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: was a journalist named Diane Diamond. She got a first

698
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: hand taste of the Pelicano technique. She broke a lot

699
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: of news about the Michael Jackson case, and following that

700
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: she was pretty sure her work and home phones were tapped,

701
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: so she said a trap. She tells the story of

702
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 3: this in the New York Times documentary about Pelicano called

703
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: The Sin Eater, which is very good to trap Pelicano

704
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: in his wiretapping ways, she had her husband ring her up.

705
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 3: He didn't identify himself and just started talking to her

706
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 3: about a documentary on Anthony Pelicano. He's going on and

707
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 3: on about how he is this information, and Diamond is

708
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: telling him that the project is really cooking along. It's

709
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: going to be so great. She hangs up a phone.

710
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: A couple of minutes later, a lawyer from the Hard

711
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 3: Copy Legal Department calls her. They asked if she was

712
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 3: working on a documentary about l a Anthony Pelicano. She

713
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: acts stunned, what are you talking about? Well, apparently they'd

714
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 3: just gotten a call from attorney Howard Weitzman's office saying

715
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: she was working on an Anthony Pelicano documentary. He wanted

716
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: more information. There was her proof, because there was no

717
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 3: Pelicano doc. Yes, that call with her husband was the

718
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 3: only time she'd ever mentioned one.

719
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: And the only time she said the words.

720
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: Out loud, exactly. And there it is, you know, boom trap.

721
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: An ego trap, It's like a money trap an ego exactly.

722
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: But it wasn't just Diane Diamond who was the focus

723
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: of this. LA Times reporter Anita Bush was also a target. Bush,

724
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 3: a former New York Times reporter, was working on stories

725
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: about the movie industry. One was about an allegation that

726
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: one of Action stars Steven Sagall's producing partners was in

727
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 3: with the Gambino crime family.

728
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, that surprised.

729
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: She was also doing another piece about Michael Ovitz, the

730
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 3: founder of CAA talent and one time president of Disney.

731
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, big lawsuit against Michael Eisner.

732
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: Uh huh. So she had been writing about how his

733
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: agency was failing something he didn't take kindly to. Let's

734
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 3: take a break. When we come back, we'll find out

735
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: what he did to Anita Bush.

736
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 7: Oh, Zarin, Elizabeth, close your eyes.

737
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: Oh you snuck it up on me. I'll right my eyes.

738
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: I want you to picture it. Yes, it's the morning

739
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: of June twentieth, two thousand and two. You're standing on

740
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 3: the front lawn of your house, watering your hydranges before

741
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: the heat kicks in. The birds are singing, and you

742
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: wave at two kids riding by on their bikes. They

743
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: see you and give you the middle finger. You scoff

744
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: and go back to watering your plants. You casually look

745
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: over at your neighbor's house. She's a nice lady. Newspaper

746
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 3: reporter for the Times As you glance over, you see

747
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 3: that there's something wrong with her audi in the driveway.

748
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 3: The windshield appears to be cracked pretty severely, and there's

749
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: something resting just above the wiper blades. Now, you were

750
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: outside sweeping your front steps when she came home yesterday morning,

751
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: and you didn't hear her car leave after that, so

752
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: you know she didn't come home with a windshield looking

753
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 3: like that. Like what, You're just an attentive neighbor or car.

754
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,959
Speaker 3: You turn off the hose. You head over to her house,

755
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 3: stopping to scoop up the La Times that had been

756
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 3: delivered early that morning. You had heard it slap on

757
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 3: the pavement of her driveway. You know you're just listening.

758
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 3: You're attentive. You walk up to her front door and

759
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 3: you ring the bell. After a moment, she opens the door.

760
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: Good morning, Anita, here's your paper. I noticed there's something

761
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 3: wrong with your windshield and wanted to let you know. Thanks, Gladys,

762
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: she says. Then she pads out in her slippers to

763
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 3: look at the car. As she approaches it, she turns

764
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 3: back to you with a quizzical look on her face.

765
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 3: You both see that what's sitting at the bottom of

766
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 3: the windshield. Cradled between that and the hood of the

767
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: car is an aluminum baking pan. A piece of paper

768
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 3: is taped to the glass above it. Odd, you say.

769
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: You both step closer, and you see that written on

770
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 3: the paper in big red letters is the word stop

771
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 3: all caps. You gasp. Anita reaches into her pocket for

772
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 3: her phone and calls the police. She explains the situation.

773
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 3: They tell her not to touch the tray and to

774
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: just wait for them. The two you sit together on

775
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 3: her front stoop. As you wait for the authorities. The

776
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 3: Lapd rolls up, follows closely by the FBI, their radios crackling.

777
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 3: They approach and lift the aluminum prey. Underneath is a

778
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: dead fish with a rose in its mouth. Wow, the

779
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: color drains from Anita's face. You gasp again and then

780
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: faint onto Anita's lawn. The same kiss as before, ride

781
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: by and once again give you the finger. So the

782
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: investigation of this whole fish incident, which, by the way,

783
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 3: a dead fish with a rose in its mouth.

784
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: Yes, like what that's the look of Brazzi thing, but

785
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: with a touch of class.

786
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: It's a touch of glass. So the FEDS discovered that

787
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: an lapd sergeant named Mark Arneson, who was on Pelicano's payroll,

788
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: had run a background and address check for Bush.

789
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: Okay.

790
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 3: The investigation then kind of turns over to the OVID stories.

791
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 3: According to the New Yorker quote, Ovitz told the FBI

792
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 3: that he paid Pelicano seventy five thousand dollars to investigate

793
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 3: two CAA agents and, among others, his former partner Ron Mayer,

794
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 3: David Geffen, and the reporters Anita Bush and Bernard Wintraub,

795
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: then with The New York Times, who were allegedly harming

796
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: his ability to sell Artists Management Group. Wow, huh so

797
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: they knew, Okay, well, maybe this has to do with him.

798
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 3: Ovitz said he asked Pelicano for quote all kinds of information,

799
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: but he said that Bush was a friend of his

800
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 3: and he was never behind any threat to her. He

801
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: also denied knowing anything about any illegal actions Pelicano may

802
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: have done, saying, quote, I'm assuming whatever he did, he

803
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: did it legally. I never instructed him to do anything illegal.

804
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 3: I'm thinking it's back to the Steven Sagal Gambino crime family.

805
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: But that's just oh interesting call.

806
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, when asked about Pelicano's ties to Illinois mobsters,

807
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 3: Ovid said that he never saw them. Quote to me,

808
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: this is going to sound really stupid, but the couple

809
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 3: of times I met him, he seemed really out of shape.

810
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 3: He was just a regular looking middle aged man. He

811
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 3: didn't look like those imposing guys on the Sopranos are

812
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: in The Godfather. I'm like, did you watch the Sopranos

813
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: that It's not just a bunch of like card bodies exactly.

814
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 3: I think if you want regular looking middle aged men,

815
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 3: there's your show.

816
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: Just get some tracksuits, valure and you got it.

817
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 3: Boom okay. So Bush later sued Ovids and Pelicano, and

818
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: they settled out of court for an undisclosed sum. On

819
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 3: November twenty first, two thousand and two, the FBI rated

820
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 3: Pelicano's Sunset Boulevard office. Are you saying? They found there

821
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 3: a safe full of quote, explosives, two hand grenades, loaded pistols,

822
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 3: and bundles of cash, totaling about two hundred thousand dollars.

823
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: So his go bag his going exactly.

824
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 3: He said that the explosives belonged to a celebrity client,

825
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: likely Don Simpson, and that he confiscated them and was

826
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 3: going to dispose of them by throwing them off of

827
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 3: a friend's boat, as you do.

828
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I get rid of it.

829
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: That's the best way.

830
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: If I don't, if I can't reach your pier, I'm like, hey,

831
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: was this go out this weekend?

832
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 3: Toss it.

833
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna bring some explosives. I need a dump.

834
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 3: So two months later the FBI raided his offices again.

835
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 3: They discovered that most of what had been in the

836
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: office was now shredded or gone, including the entire Michael

837
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: Jackson case. Everything's gone. However, they found something in the

838
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 3: back room. Pellicano called that the bat cave or the

839
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 3: war room, and in it were computers and like those

840
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: cd ROMs. Sure full of hundreds of hours of encrypted,

841
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: illegally wired tapped conversations and things.

842
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure he didn't understand how to destroy, so he's probably.

843
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: And then there were also but he could destroy one

844
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand pages of transcribed recordings. Oh wow,

845
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 3: this transcriptions. So the FBI cracked the password on the

846
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 3: protected files. Yes, it was office Dash three two two

847
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: dash omerta. The files weren't the recordings of tape of

848
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: the tapped calls for clients that they were hoping they'd

849
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 3: be okay, like the you know, unwing tap. No, they

850
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: were conversations that Pelicano had taped of himself, conversations with

851
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 3: his clients.

852
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: Oh, his own clients. Okay.

853
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 3: These served as his notes. He told the feds.

854
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 2: Ah, they're not like his blackmail leverage.

855
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 4: No.

856
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 3: But according to the New York Times, quote in the calls,

857
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 3: mister Pelicano was often heard posturing as if he were

858
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: a Coosonostram mobster, boasting of his Omerita like code of honor,

859
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: his connection to gangsters, and his distaste for quote rats.

860
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: For somebody who has a love of America, he really

861
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 2: doesn't understand the silent part.

862
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: Of it, exactly exactly, he.

863
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: Understands the code part. He's got that.

864
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 3: When you watch that documentary The Sin Eater, they play

865
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 3: the tapes and it's just like the way he's just

866
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: posturing is phenomenal.

867
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: Anyone who really is involved with in the Omerica, you

868
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: probably won't ever hear anything about it. It's gonna be

869
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: like someone talking about the Warriors. They just don't talk

870
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: about that.

871
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: That's the whole point. Well, so these tapes and the

872
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: interviews with employees that the FEDS did exposed how Pelicano

873
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: dug up all the information in the dirt he needed.

874
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 3: So Vanity Fair lays this out. First, you get his

875
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 3: or in lots of juicy cases, her address, No problem there.

876
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 3: A police sergeant on Pelicano's payroll would tap into the

877
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,959
Speaker 3: LAPD computer databases. Now that you have the address, getting

878
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: the phone number is equally easy. A Pacific Bell employee,

879
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 3: also on the take would track it down along with

880
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: the coded numbers of the cables servicing the phone. The

881
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: rest could have been done either in the central station

882
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 3: or if necessary, at a terminal box. Next to the

883
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 3: red and green wires that service the line would be

884
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: a tangle of yellow and black wires what wiremen called

885
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 3: the spare pair. Normally, the spare pair is used to

886
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 3: hook up an extension or another line. Only now the

887
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 3: yellow and black wires would be wireman familiar with the

888
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 3: technique theorized spliced into the mainline and with the help

889
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 3: of some technomagic. The subject's phone was a party line,

890
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 3: and Pelicano was the one having the party. A phone

891
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: would ring, say in a mansion in bel Air or Brentwood,

892
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 3: and automatically, silently simultaneously, computers in his office on Sunset

893
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 3: Boulevard would start taping the conversation. Every move you'd make,

894
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: plan you'd make, every valued break, Pelicana would be listening

895
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: to you. Right. So, February of two thousand and four,

896
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: he pleads guilty to possession of illegal explosives and was

897
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 3: sentenced to thirty months in prison. That's after that first raid,

898
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: right before he's like getting ready to get shipped off

899
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 3: to the clink, he and six others are indicted and

900
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: taken into custody on charges of quote, conspiring to wiretap,

901
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: blackmail and intimidate dozens of celebrities and other targets. So

902
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 3: he first gets the thirty months. Now he's going back

903
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: to court. He pleads not guilty on this. He was

904
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 3: held without bail after the prosecution quote alleged he was

905
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: issuing threats from prison against potential witnesses.

906
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 2: I'm guessing at this point all of his big lawyer

907
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: friends have turned on him and he doesn't have the

908
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: ability to get a tumble.

909
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: Them are like in the cross.

910
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: They want to have as much distance as they can.

911
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing, Okay, So the trial begins in

912
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 3: March of two thousand and eight, he represented himself. Oh

913
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 3: my god, that's no way to win.

914
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 2: He's not even a lawyer, no way to win.

915
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: But he said he we knew he was going to lose,

916
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 3: and I know that. He said he wasn't going to

917
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 3: rat on anyone. Okay, he knew his employees.

918
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: Would sing to the Feds like Pavarati.

919
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 3: But he said he knew the most about the case.

920
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: And he said he didn't know a lawyer smart enough

921
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: to take the case, So why pay if the inevitable

922
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: him going to jail is going to happen.

923
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: Wait to get the insult in there to all the

924
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 2: lawyers he knows on the way to I'm going to jail.

925
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: He announced mid trial that he would not take the stand. Quote,

926
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 3: I am not mister Pelicano is not going to discuss

927
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 3: conversations with clients. It's not going to happen ever, no

928
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: matter the consequence.

929
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: He's sitting in one chair, your honor, just one secondly,

930
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: going to consult My client, jumps chairs and whispers to

931
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: himself and he listens. Okay, I guess it, fights with himself,

932
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 2: jumps back chairs, your honor. My client is being unreasonable.

933
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 3: Exactly, he said later, quote, I could have saved myself

934
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 3: or at least done less time if I had even

935
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 3: slightly cooperated with the government. I could have ruined many

936
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 3: careers in lives, and I could have hurt many law

937
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: enforcement personnel employees, even judges. But I would have dishonored

938
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 3: myself by doing so. I remember them telling the court

939
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 3: that they disagreed with my form of honor, but respected it.

940
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: So he only likes to brag for little chits of like, hey,

941
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: you know, cool I am. But when it comes down

942
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: to like being able to free himself from anything, that's

943
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: when the America.

944
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 3: Kemes yeah, but no the owners, Yeah, he firm, he

945
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: held firm. So May of two thousand and eight, he's

946
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: convicted on seventy six counts of wire tapping, racketeering, and

947
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: other charges. It took the judge an hour to read

948
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 3: the full verdict. Oh wow, he gets sentenced to fifteen

949
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: years in prison.

950
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 2: That's all.

951
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: He Also he had to forfeit more than two million

952
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 3: dollars that he made from his wire tapping work. Michael Ovitz,

953
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: Brad Gray, Bert Fields, all of the other Hollywood elite

954
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 3: in his orbit. They all escaped charges or implications. Of course,

955
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: many thought the trial would implicate, you know, all of

956
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 3: these elite but it never did.

957
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: They can I'll say, I'd never unless they have a

958
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: tape of him saying I'll do this for you, and

959
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: then they're lawyer. A lot of them are lawyers. They're

960
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: not going to let somebody.

961
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 3: Say that out exactly exactly. So there were some who

962
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: did get in trouble for their work with Pelicano.

963
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 2: Non lawyers.

964
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, a former phone company worker was found guilty of racketeering, conspiracy,

965
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: and wire tapping, but was acquitted of four of nine

966
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 3: of the wire tapping accounts. Remember Kevin Kachikian, Yes, hell Yeah,

967
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 3: developed tell Us luth. He was convicted of possessing a

968
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 3: wire tapping device and conspiracy to wire tap, but he

969
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: got acquitted of nine counts of wire tapping. Abner Nachierri

970
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: he was charged with listening to and translating a business

971
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 3: adversaries in intercepted calls. He was convicted of aiding and

972
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: abtting wire tapping. Mark Arnison, that LAPD sergeant who would

973
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 3: run the place the Feds found almost one hundred times

974
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 3: when Pelicano and Arnison accessed confidential law enforcement records, including

975
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: FBI's National Crime Information Center database. So they did this

976
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 3: to get intel about targets including Gary Shanling, Kevin Neeland,

977
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: dozens of others. Director John McTiernan Diehard huntfhredic to October

978
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 3: he was caught lying to FBI agents about having had

979
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 3: Pelicano wiretap Producer Charles Roven who did Three Kings Batman Begins.

980
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 3: He was later charged with two counts of making false

981
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 3: statements to federal agents.

982
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 2: There you go.

983
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 3: One count of perjury for a statement to a federal

984
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 3: judge while seeking to withdraw his plea, and he got

985
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 3: a year in prison.

986
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: I'm telling you.

987
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 3: A couple days after the initial indictment, Pelicano and Terry Christiansen,

988
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: a Hollywood lawyer, they were each indicted on two new

989
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 3: counts of conspiracy and wiretapping. Christiansen pleaded not guilty. So

990
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: that's one lawyer who went down. December two thousand and eight,

991
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 3: The La Times reported that Mark Rossini, quote, a veteran

992
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 3: FBI agent, has been accused of illegally accessing computers at

993
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: bureau headquarters in Washington, d C. And what prosecutors suspect

994
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 3: was a failed bid to help Hollywood private eye Anthony

995
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: Pelicano defend himself against federal racketeering and wire tapping charges.

996
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: So he's accused of this and then turns around and yeah.

997
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: And does it. And then this guy's like, I'll take

998
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: that money.

999
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 3: When he did those searches, the Rossini he was dating

1000
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 3: actress Linda Fiorentino. Get out, I will not Fiorentino friend

1001
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: of Pelicano.

1002
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: Of course I hear.

1003
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. So apparently she told Rossini quote, she was researching

1004
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 3: a script about an LA wiretapper extraordinaire Anthony Pelicano and

1005
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 3: needed to see the documents exactly.

1006
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 2: I was doing research exactly.

1007
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: So Rossini he pleads guilty to five misdemeanor counts of

1008
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 3: unauthorized FBI computer access, and he admitted to quote conducting

1009
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: more than forty unauthorized searches of the Bureau's automated case

1010
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 3: support system, which contains confidential and sensitive information related to

1011
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 3: ongoing and historic cases investigated by the FBI. Many of

1012
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: the searches related to the criminal case against Pelicano, who

1013
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 3: was tried and convicted earlier in Los Angeles. Yeah, so Rossini,

1014
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 3: he gets sentenced to a year probation. Yeah, given a

1015
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: five thousand dollars fine.

1016
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: I thought he's gonna get like one to three.

1017
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 3: They're like, he's love sick, you know, I don't know.

1018
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: He also loves He had to resign, wouldn't you.

1019
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 3: He had to resign from the FBI. In prison, Pelicano wrote,

1020
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: Haikus did crosswords, so like at this point, wrote Haikus

1021
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 3: and did crosswords. He's me. In college, he played chess,

1022
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: he read two thousand books. Okay, it's still me. And

1023
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 3: then he did high level geometry problems, so that's you.

1024
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: Okay, he's got one of me. Mostly tell me, he.

1025
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 3: Said, quote, I don't make any friends. I'm absolutely unsociable.

1026
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 3: You have to understand there are guys here who are

1027
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 3: looking for ways to get information, to get their sentences

1028
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 3: reduced and all that. There's always a guy who will

1029
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 3: ask me a question that will lead to another question.

1030
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 3: So I just don't answer people. I keep to myself.

1031
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 2: Wow, and he made it through.

1032
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,479
Speaker 3: Yeah. He was released on his seventy fifth birthday, March

1033
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 3: twenty second, twenty nineteen.

1034
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: I guess he was in such an old head that

1035
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: they just let.

1036
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 3: Him set to the side.

1037
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen, he's hanging out on the chapel doing geometry.

1038
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 3: Exactly twenty eighteen, he told the Hollywood Reporter, quote, the

1039
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,479
Speaker 3: government claimed that I compromised the judicial system, and I did.

1040
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 3: I was off in the court of last resort for

1041
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 3: many people. People and not just famous ones. Didn't pay

1042
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 3: me all that money just to hear stories about how

1043
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 3: I had failed to get things done.

1044
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

1045
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 3: I always kept my word and I did everything I could, good,

1046
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 3: bad or indifferent to get the job done. And I

1047
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 3: was successful.

1048
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 2: Now can you imagine the good at his job Anthony

1049
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: pelicannor who's out there right now doing all the same

1050
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 2: stuff for all this people. So we aren't going to

1051
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: hear about it because exactly they aren't telling around going hey,

1052
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: I'm a merit dem every.

1053
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 3: Joker we have on this podcast, there's got to be

1054
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 3: another who we don't find out about. Yes, so he

1055
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 3: gets out. He has lost his PI license for good,

1056
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 3: No worries. He's still quote negotiated for friends. Twenty twenty one,

1057
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 3: Ron City experts Ron Mayer, the vice chairman of NBC Universal,

1058
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 3: asked him to represent producer Joel Silver in a negotiation

1059
00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 3: with Canadian billionaire and businessman Darryl Kate's. Okay, Pelican, he

1060
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: got power of attorney to act on Silver's behalf for

1061
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 3: these negotiations.

1062
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 2: Got power of attorney for Joel.

1063
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 3: Silver, limited power to sole.

1064
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Joel Silver trusted him a power of attorney the

1065
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: man who defended himself in court and.

1066
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 3: Pelicana wouldn't say how he settled the argument. But quote,

1067
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 3: folks in the media call me a fixer. So that's

1068
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 3: a term you could use. I'm legally allowed to do that.

1069
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 2: I'm a legal fixer, right so, and my buddy Lougal

1070
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: slugger At he said.

1071
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 3: Quote people like to call me a fixer. The term

1072
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 3: I use is negotiator. I negotiate on behalf of clients.

1073
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 3: Am I doing anything illegal?

1074
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: No? I am not. Ah see, I like to call

1075
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: myself a facilitator.

1076
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 3: He settled the Silver Kates thing, but then August of

1077
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 3: twenty two, Kate's hired him, apparently impressed with his fixing

1078
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 3: skills just by being amazed. So Kate's had been accused

1079
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 3: of paying seventy five thousand dollars for sex with a

1080
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 3: seventeen year old ballet dancer, Oh Jesus. Kate said that

1081
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 3: they didn't have sex, and that he paid her fifty

1082
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 3: thousand dollars for a proposed film project and then anyway,

1083
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 3: she was eight when he met her.

1084
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: Sir, Yeah, sir.

1085
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 3: The allegations are dismissed in court, but Pelicano was able

1086
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 3: to get them dismissed quote with prejudice so they wouldn't

1087
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: come up later.

1088
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: Alec Baldwin, Alec AaB I have personal tized to him.

1089
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Speaker 3: Researcher Marissa described him as quote the ultimate sycophant, which

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Speaker 3: is so spot on. That's a really good call, Yeah, Baldwin.

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Speaker 3: He interviewed Pelicano for his podcast. Here's the thing. Okay,

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Speaker 3: here's Baldwin kissing up to Pelicano. Quote. I do believe

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Speaker 3: from the research I've done, you're obviously a very smart guy.

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Speaker 3: You're a very tough guy. You're a guy with a

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Speaker 3: lot of principles. You went through hell because of your principles.

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Speaker 3: But when you really tortured yourself in service of your principles.

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Speaker 2: You would one percent two hundred percent have hired him

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Speaker 2: and then said I want to hear the legal stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, And then right now he's just saying, don't

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Speaker 3: ever come at me with Pelicano told Alec Baldwin quote

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Speaker 3: to me, the most important thing in my life was

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Speaker 3: honor and my word. It still is today because they

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Speaker 3: took everything away and that's what I've got left, and

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Speaker 3: that's all I really cherish. When I had a client,

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Speaker 3: they became a member of my family, and nobody with

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Speaker 3: my family.

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Speaker 2: Certain none of your family talks to you.

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Speaker 3: Well, apparently money buys entry into the family.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how it works.

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Speaker 3: So what's your ridiculous takeaways? Aaron? Thanks for asking.

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Speaker 2: These these rental families. I just do not trust them.

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Speaker 2: I know, either you're talking about the real mafia or

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Speaker 2: just the Pelicano mafia. If I'm buying my way into

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Speaker 2: a family, I don't know. I mean, money spends so quick.

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Speaker 2: Exactly what's your ridiculous takeaway?

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Speaker 3: Losing exactly what yours was?

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Speaker 2: Oh nice, look at that symmetry.

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