1
00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,360
Speaker 1: Hi. I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

2
00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,880
Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationships and

3
00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:23,360
Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling. Revalry. No, no, sibling,

4
00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:36,160
Speaker 1: you don't do that with your mouth. Revelry. That's good.

5
00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,320
Speaker 1: We have the opportunity to talk to a brother and sister,

6
00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,680
Speaker 1: which I just love, and it's doctor Viveke Murthy and

7
00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,839
Speaker 1: his sister, doctor Rashmie Murphy Vivec. He was the surgeon

8
00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,560
Speaker 1: general under President Obama. We had a really interesting conversation

9
00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,160
Speaker 1: about a lot of things. It sort of centered around

10
00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,360
Speaker 1: his book that I think is absolutely brilliant. It's incredible. Yeah,

11
00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:08,680
Speaker 1: and it's called Together. It's about loneliness being a real epidemic.

12
00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,280
Speaker 1: While we were interviewing him, we of course talked about

13
00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,200
Speaker 1: the coronavirus. It was right before it started to get,

14
00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,760
Speaker 1: you know, ramped up. But I thought that before we

15
00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,440
Speaker 1: aired the episode with him and his sister, we wanted

16
00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:27,000
Speaker 1: to get him back remotely. He is clearly spending a

17
00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,600
Speaker 1: lot of time on the news and talking to people.

18
00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,400
Speaker 1: He's someone in the know. I felt like we should

19
00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,920
Speaker 1: discuss his point of view on what's going on and

20
00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,760
Speaker 1: what it is that he knows, and also how it

21
00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,840
Speaker 1: pertains to his book that's coming out right now, which

22
00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,280
Speaker 1: is something Oliver that you and I keep talking about,

23
00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:46,560
Speaker 1: which is loneliness and people feeling lonely right now right Well,

24
00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,960
Speaker 1: it all goes hand in hand, you know, because we

25
00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,680
Speaker 1: are quarantined. You know, there are a lot of people

26
00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,920
Speaker 1: who are not with anybody, who are alone. So this

27
00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,640
Speaker 1: loneliness actually is playing into what's happening right now with

28
00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,560
Speaker 1: the with this epidemic, with this coronavirus. So his book

29
00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,720
Speaker 1: is actually very timely. It's really amazing because you think that,

30
00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, loneliness is just simple. You know, it's it's

31
00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,320
Speaker 1: a word and you're lonely and that's that. But what

32
00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,520
Speaker 1: it can actually lead to is pretty crazy. I love

33
00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,400
Speaker 1: this book. I think it's important for everyone to see

34
00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,720
Speaker 1: why doctor Murphy is focused on this as the great

35
00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:29,160
Speaker 1: epidemic of our of our generation. So here is part

36
00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:37,760
Speaker 1: one of our conversation with doctor Vivek Murthy. So great

37
00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,160
Speaker 1: to have you on now. I'm glad we get to reconnect,

38
00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,840
Speaker 1: you know because when we first or when you had

39
00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,639
Speaker 1: mom and Kate anyway first had your conversations. We were

40
00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,720
Speaker 1: just right at the beginning of it, and the coronavirus

41
00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,800
Speaker 1: honestly was a almost an afterthought to the interview, you know.

42
00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,840
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that we have you back on. And

43
00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,240
Speaker 1: I have to say that now, watching these briefings and

44
00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,400
Speaker 1: seeing the and seeing the Surgeon General standing behind the president,

45
00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, man, I used to know I knew

46
00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:10,520
Speaker 1: the guy who used to stand behind there. I'm going

47
00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,200
Speaker 1: to just start immediately. Do you believe that if you

48
00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,440
Speaker 1: were in office, if it was a different office, that

49
00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,360
Speaker 1: this would have been handled differently? Well? Kay, you know,

50
00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,240
Speaker 1: you always hope that you can do things better than

51
00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,880
Speaker 1: the way they're being done. A couple of things I'd

52
00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,680
Speaker 1: say about this, So every administration that walks into a

53
00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:34,520
Speaker 1: pandemic or a major outbreak, they've got to learn about

54
00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,960
Speaker 1: the virus, and they've got to also respond at the

55
00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,160
Speaker 1: same time, and sometimes that can be tricky, and I

56
00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,360
Speaker 1: think in this particular administration there were some stumbles in

57
00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,360
Speaker 1: the beginning. I think our response was slower than it

58
00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,680
Speaker 1: should have been. And I continue to worry a bit

59
00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,600
Speaker 1: about communication, about how we're communicating and about some of

60
00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,480
Speaker 1: the I should say contradictions I think that it come

61
00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,960
Speaker 1: out of the administration, but I think that, you know,

62
00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,160
Speaker 1: what we really need to do now is like what

63
00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,200
Speaker 1: I've learned when I was in government, and what you

64
00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,840
Speaker 1: know I've learned from other people who have managed pandemics,

65
00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,080
Speaker 1: is that there really are a few core principles that

66
00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,160
Speaker 1: you have to have to have to observe during these pandemics.

67
00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,920
Speaker 1: Like number one, you've got to lead with science and

68
00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:19,200
Speaker 1: your decision making, and with scientists as your communicators. You've

69
00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,520
Speaker 1: got to put them out front. The second big thing

70
00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,360
Speaker 1: is you have to be really transparent with what you're

71
00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,320
Speaker 1: telling people, both about what's going well but also about

72
00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,640
Speaker 1: what's not going well. You know, when you step up

73
00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,479
Speaker 1: that to the mic and that briefing room in the

74
00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,000
Speaker 1: White House, when you stand in front of the cameras,

75
00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,840
Speaker 1: there's tremendous pressure to put a positive spin on everything

76
00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,040
Speaker 1: and to tell people things are going to be just fine.

77
00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,360
Speaker 1: And you've got to resist that urge because you're not

78
00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,920
Speaker 1: being leveled with people, and you've got to respect them

79
00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,680
Speaker 1: enough to tell them the truth and then to come

80
00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,520
Speaker 1: up with a plan for how we're going to handle

81
00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,279
Speaker 1: the truth if it's not quite so rosy. But The

82
00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,479
Speaker 1: last thing, and this is the part that worries me

83
00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,960
Speaker 1: in particular, is that the third goal has to be

84
00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,400
Speaker 1: getting resources to the people on the front lines. And

85
00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,520
Speaker 1: right now, the front lines are being staffed by doctors

86
00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,040
Speaker 1: and nurses and healthcare workers. It's departments of public health,

87
00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,480
Speaker 1: you know, in local communities. These are the folks on

88
00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,599
Speaker 1: the front lines. And you know, it just pains me

89
00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,880
Speaker 1: and kills me that so many doctors and nurses are

90
00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,200
Speaker 1: going to work without the masks that they need to

91
00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,640
Speaker 1: protect themselves. I mean, these are a lot of my friends,

92
00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,960
Speaker 1: my own family. My dad and my sister are primary

93
00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,960
Speaker 1: care doctors here in Miami, and they're having a really

94
00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,960
Speaker 1: hard time ordering masks. You know, they want to see patients.

95
00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,800
Speaker 1: These are patients they cared for, in some cases for

96
00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,520
Speaker 1: thirty years. But all of the friends and family that

97
00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,400
Speaker 1: I have are talking about the struggles that they in

98
00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,120
Speaker 1: their hospitals and clinics are having getting the tools they

99
00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,440
Speaker 1: need to support themselves. You know, we would never think

100
00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,760
Speaker 1: it was okay to send soldiers into war without the

101
00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,159
Speaker 1: armor they needed to protect themselves. Yet we're asking doctors

102
00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,400
Speaker 1: and nurses to go on the front lines to put

103
00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,560
Speaker 1: their lives on the line without giving them the tools

104
00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,480
Speaker 1: to protect themselves. And that to me is just is

105
00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,160
Speaker 1: it's so, And that's why you have to pull out

106
00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,200
Speaker 1: at this point all the stops to produce these masks

107
00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,120
Speaker 1: and gallons and gloves, to get the ventilators produced that

108
00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,200
Speaker 1: we need to help people who are struggling now with

109
00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,960
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. And it worries me when I hear that.

110
00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,560
Speaker 1: You know, we're getting a lot done in you know,

111
00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,360
Speaker 1: we're and we've got more than we can do if

112
00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,000
Speaker 1: we need to in the future. That the future is now.

113
00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,600
Speaker 1: You know, we needed these materials weeks and weeks ago,

114
00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,200
Speaker 1: and so that's a big part of what worries me

115
00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,080
Speaker 1: right now about But is this a systemic problem though?

116
00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,240
Speaker 1: Has this been a problem for years and years and

117
00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,760
Speaker 1: years that we haven't taken this idea of a pandemic

118
00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,480
Speaker 1: seriously enough? You know? I mean, I had an interesting

119
00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:44,120
Speaker 1: conversation with someone who's quite high government level who was

120
00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,080
Speaker 1: saying that during the Clinton administration he had actually started

121
00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:52,320
Speaker 1: the stockpiling, and Obama as well, And then I guess

122
00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,240
Speaker 1: they just cut they cut a lot of that, you know,

123
00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,840
Speaker 1: in the every administration you know, hopefully learns a bit

124
00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,880
Speaker 1: about what we should do better than next time around.

125
00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,640
Speaker 1: And the idea of having a solid pandemic response plan

126
00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,640
Speaker 1: is not a new idea because every few years we

127
00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,120
Speaker 1: have a major outbreak, whether it's H one N one

128
00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,280
Speaker 1: or whether it's a swine flu or you know, we

129
00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,440
Speaker 1: dealt with the Ebola outbreak in West Africa, we had

130
00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,960
Speaker 1: zeca virus. You know, these are all these are It's

131
00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,440
Speaker 1: not predictable when exactly they'll happen, but you can predict

132
00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,600
Speaker 1: with certainty that they will happen every few years. And

133
00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,000
Speaker 1: so you know, there have been plans that have been developed.

134
00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,840
Speaker 1: In fact, after the experience with Ebola and with Zica.

135
00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,360
Speaker 1: In the Abuma administration, they worked with Congress to put

136
00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,960
Speaker 1: together a package to really focus on global health security.

137
00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,280
Speaker 1: There was an office set up in the National Security

138
00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,000
Speaker 1: Council to focus specifically on pandemic preparedness. There were plans

139
00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,560
Speaker 1: drawn up for what we needed to do, funding allocated

140
00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,960
Speaker 1: by Congress for preparing the country for these pandemics, and

141
00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,040
Speaker 1: really importantly, there was a leadership that was being provided

142
00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,679
Speaker 1: by the United States to work with countries around the world.

143
00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,000
Speaker 1: Recognizing that if healthcare systems are falling apart in another

144
00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,240
Speaker 1: country that actually affects our healthy because the disease can

145
00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,480
Speaker 1: spread quickly there and then it can quickly make its

146
00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,960
Speaker 1: way to the United States. This was the thinking that

147
00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,520
Speaker 1: had gone on in the Obama administration among Republicans and

148
00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:15,000
Speaker 1: Democrats in Congress, recognizing that our collective security depends on

149
00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,440
Speaker 1: pandemic preparedness, and it was disappointing, I think to many

150
00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,600
Speaker 1: of us that the funding was really not sort of

151
00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,320
Speaker 1: continued in terms of continuing to support that kind of agenda,

152
00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,160
Speaker 1: that the Office and the National Security Council was effectively dismantled.

153
00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,120
Speaker 1: And I worry that if we don't take these pandemics seriously,

154
00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,319
Speaker 1: if we don't think not just about tomorrow, about next week,

155
00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,840
Speaker 1: next month, next year, that we're not going to be

156
00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,720
Speaker 1: able to prepare ourselves for fending off the next pandemic.

157
00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,400
Speaker 1: Because we can't control if they come, we can control

158
00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,480
Speaker 1: how prepared we are. Since we spoke in New York,

159
00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:53,280
Speaker 1: have you learned any more about the virus that you

160
00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,319
Speaker 1: could share with all of us? I know everybody's sort

161
00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,960
Speaker 1: of glued to their televisions and we're all learning as

162
00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,200
Speaker 1: much as we can. But you know, lately there's you know,

163
00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,600
Speaker 1: doctor Fauci's been saying that there might be a second

164
00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,280
Speaker 1: wave and do you have any insight on that for us? Well, yeah, gosh,

165
00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,840
Speaker 1: it feels like we're learning about this virus every day.

166
00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,600
Speaker 1: And you know, one thing that I will say is

167
00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,240
Speaker 1: is reaffirming, reassuring about this and inspiring is to see

168
00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,080
Speaker 1: just people from all you know, all walks of life.

169
00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,000
Speaker 1: You know, whether they are you know, people in medicine

170
00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,360
Speaker 1: and health, are people who are not, whether they are

171
00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,400
Speaker 1: Republicans or Democrats or the older young, can come together

172
00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,320
Speaker 1: and try to and ask the question what can I

173
00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,520
Speaker 1: do to be helpful during this time? And there are

174
00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,800
Speaker 1: some great stories which I be happy to tell you

175
00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,719
Speaker 1: about that I've been coming across. But in terms of

176
00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,719
Speaker 1: the virus itself, some things that we have learned and

177
00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,800
Speaker 1: in some cases reaffirmed over the last couple of months.

178
00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,400
Speaker 1: So one is that this is a very contagious virus.

179
00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,040
Speaker 1: It's more contagious than the flu. So the way we

180
00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:52,719
Speaker 1: sort of know that to quantitate that is through a

181
00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,079
Speaker 1: number called they are not value. So this tells you basically,

182
00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,240
Speaker 1: if you have the virus, what is the average number

183
00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,440
Speaker 1: of people that you might give it to. So in

184
00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,840
Speaker 1: the case of the flu, they are not values about

185
00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,960
Speaker 1: one point three. I means, on average, and a one

186
00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,760
Speaker 1: point three people will get the virus, you know, from

187
00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,280
Speaker 1: every person who has it. Now, in the case of

188
00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,760
Speaker 1: the current virus we're dealing with, COVID nineteen, there are

189
00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,760
Speaker 1: not value seems to be somewhere between two and two

190
00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,920
Speaker 1: point five, so it's significantly higher, and so we think

191
00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,600
Speaker 1: that this is a more contagious virus. Now side note,

192
00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,440
Speaker 1: there are things we can do to actually reduce the

193
00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,400
Speaker 1: are not value. Some of the behavioral changes we're asking

194
00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,400
Speaker 1: people to do now, but be it as it may.

195
00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,679
Speaker 1: When you compare apples to apples, it seems like this

196
00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,240
Speaker 1: is more contagious. The second thing we know is that

197
00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,679
Speaker 1: this is a much more deadly virus in terms of

198
00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,520
Speaker 1: the number of people it kills, but also in terms

199
00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,960
Speaker 1: of how severely it affects people to the point of hospitalization.

200
00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,360
Speaker 1: So people are trying to figure out right now, what

201
00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,640
Speaker 1: is something called the CFR, which is the case fatality rate,

202
00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,240
Speaker 1: a fancy term for just saying how many people die

203
00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,000
Speaker 1: who actually have the virus, And the numbers aren't one

204
00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,640
Speaker 1: hundred percent clear right now, because we think that there

205
00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,560
Speaker 1: are a lot of people who are out there who

206
00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,840
Speaker 1: have the virus but don't have symptoms or have really

207
00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,080
Speaker 1: mild symptoms, so they're not getting identified, they're getting missed,

208
00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,600
Speaker 1: and so we don't really know the full pool of

209
00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,200
Speaker 1: people who have this virus. But the guess is that

210
00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,280
Speaker 1: the fatality rate here is probably somewhere around one percent,

211
00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,520
Speaker 1: maybe somewhere between one to two percent, but probably closer

212
00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,079
Speaker 1: to one percent. And just to put that in context,

213
00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,160
Speaker 1: the case fatality rate for the flu is zero point

214
00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,760
Speaker 1: one percent. So we're looking at something that's probably ten

215
00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,040
Speaker 1: times more deadly, possibly more than the flu. And even

216
00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,600
Speaker 1: if you look at the people who get hospitalized, it's

217
00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,200
Speaker 1: somewhere around fifteen to twenty percent of people who get

218
00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,160
Speaker 1: the virus at least in the according to Chinese data,

219
00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,000
Speaker 1: that we're getting hospitalized, and we're seeing huge portions of

220
00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,120
Speaker 1: people here in the United States also hospitalized who have

221
00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,280
Speaker 1: the virus. And so all putting this all together, what

222
00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,520
Speaker 1: it tells us is that this virus is not the flu.

223
00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,880
Speaker 1: It's more easily spread, it's more dangerous in terms of

224
00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,199
Speaker 1: number of people who die, and it also seems to

225
00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,040
Speaker 1: leave more people to be hospitalized. Some of the things

226
00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,000
Speaker 1: that we've learned about this, which is interesting, is we

227
00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,160
Speaker 1: thought we've come to realize in the last several weeks,

228
00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,760
Speaker 1: in particular, that a large number of people who have

229
00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,040
Speaker 1: the virus don't have any symptoms and it may be

230
00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,880
Speaker 1: as high as twenty five percent according to the CDC

231
00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,720
Speaker 1: as of this morning, and never will have symptoms. They're

232
00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,240
Speaker 1: totally going to be asymptomatic. Many of them will never

233
00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,079
Speaker 1: have symptoms, some may develop mild symptoms that they may

234
00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,679
Speaker 1: not even think are that significant. But the key is

235
00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,400
Speaker 1: that many of these people may be capable of spreading

236
00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,880
Speaker 1: the virus to other people. And just to put this

237
00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,760
Speaker 1: in context, also, you may remember some years ago we

238
00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,600
Speaker 1: dealt with SARS, which was another respiratory virus that people

239
00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,480
Speaker 1: were really worried about, a very deadly virus. But with

240
00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,440
Speaker 1: that virus, we got lucky because people were generally contagious

241
00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,280
Speaker 1: after they had symptoms, so it made it easier to

242
00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,480
Speaker 1: identify people and quarantine them quickly. If you're in an

243
00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,560
Speaker 1: environment where even asymptomatic people are spreading, and the large

244
00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,200
Speaker 1: number of people who have the virus are asymptomatic, then

245
00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,320
Speaker 1: you've got to look around you and realize that you

246
00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,280
Speaker 1: have to, especially at this stage when we're still accelerating

247
00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:10,880
Speaker 1: in the number of cases we have in the US,

248
00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,800
Speaker 1: you have to behave as if everyone around you could

249
00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,440
Speaker 1: have the virus. And that's why you're hearing public health

250
00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:21,720
Speaker 1: officials be so emphatic in their requests that everybody washed

251
00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,440
Speaker 1: their hands, that they avoid hugging and touching other people,

252
00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, unless they're part of your you know, the

253
00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,680
Speaker 1: family that you're living with at home. That's why you're asking.

254
00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,080
Speaker 1: You're hearing people say that we shouldn't get together in

255
00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,160
Speaker 1: crowds anymore, that we should move to telework, that we

256
00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,560
Speaker 1: should stop schools because we are a lot of people

257
00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,280
Speaker 1: out there who may have the virus and who may

258
00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,280
Speaker 1: easily transmit it and just not know it, and it's

259
00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,480
Speaker 1: suspected that's probably why it is spread so fiercely as

260
00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,360
Speaker 1: it has in New York City. And now we're starting

261
00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,959
Speaker 1: to see other states in the United States, like Louisiana

262
00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,200
Speaker 1: and like Florida and others experience and upsurge and infections.

263
00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,200
Speaker 1: And I'm assuming we don't know why some people may

264
00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,400
Speaker 1: be asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms, and then why

265
00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,760
Speaker 1: others have more severe symptoms. I'm not talking about the

266
00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,640
Speaker 1: predisposed or sort of the preconditioned or the elderly. Someone

267
00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,000
Speaker 1: who's healthy. One might have very mild and one might not.

268
00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,400
Speaker 1: Do we have any idea why yet? I mean, what

269
00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,640
Speaker 1: we do know what seems to be the case based

270
00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:26,440
Speaker 1: on the sort of overall population statistics, or that people

271
00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:31,080
Speaker 1: who are older and who have other illnesses like diabetes

272
00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,840
Speaker 1: or heart disease, or illnesses that may compromise or immune system,

273
00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,640
Speaker 1: they seem to have more severe infections when they do

274
00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,280
Speaker 1: get COVID nineteen. But the truth is, we've had any

275
00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,000
Speaker 1: stories now of younger people in their forties, for example,

276
00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,480
Speaker 1: who are getting the virus, who are having severe experiences

277
00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,480
Speaker 1: with illness and in many cases passing away, particularly among

278
00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,840
Speaker 1: healthcare workers. And so you know, the truth is, there

279
00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,160
Speaker 1: are no there are no sort of clean lines with

280
00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,640
Speaker 1: this virus. There's nobody who can say, oh, for sure,

281
00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm not at risk and I don't need to worry.

282
00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,760
Speaker 1: And this is part of the challenge of dealing with

283
00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,920
Speaker 1: the virus that we're still trying to understand. While it's

284
00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,000
Speaker 1: clear that we've got to put up a massive response

285
00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,440
Speaker 1: to it, are there genetics in play at all with this.

286
00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I know we don't know, but could that

287
00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,960
Speaker 1: be a possibility. I heard something about blood types. You know,

288
00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,360
Speaker 1: it's certainly a possibility that your genetics impact you know,

289
00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,880
Speaker 1: how you react to this virus. There, it'll take us

290
00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,960
Speaker 1: years to really think deeply understand you know, who is

291
00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:32,720
Speaker 1: most susceptible, who's the most efficient, if you will, carrier

292
00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,880
Speaker 1: of this virus and transmitter of this virus. And right now,

293
00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,600
Speaker 1: just because we don't know the answers to these questions,

294
00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:42,280
Speaker 1: you're seeing very broad, very aggressive strategies taken. And you know,

295
00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,920
Speaker 1: here's a tricky thing about these public health strategies is

296
00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,960
Speaker 1: when you do them right, when you act early and

297
00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,640
Speaker 1: you're aggressive, people think you overreacted because nothing happens, and

298
00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,000
Speaker 1: they say, well, look nothing happened. Well, nothing happened because

299
00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,080
Speaker 1: we were aggressive. And if you act too late, then

300
00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,800
Speaker 1: it's very hard to contain these virus. So I think

301
00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,440
Speaker 1: about certain states that have been reluctant, for example, to

302
00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,680
Speaker 1: issues stay at home orders, and yeah, Florida, my home

303
00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,120
Speaker 1: state of Florida was one of them up until this morning,

304
00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,480
Speaker 1: in fact, and I understand where it's coming from. You know,

305
00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,040
Speaker 1: we don't want to shut everything down unless we really

306
00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,240
Speaker 1: have to. You know, people are right now really struggling economically.

307
00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,800
Speaker 1: Folks are losing their jobs, they're trying to figure out

308
00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,480
Speaker 1: how to get food on the table. Now, I mean

309
00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,240
Speaker 1: the real consequences to telling people not to go out

310
00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,200
Speaker 1: to closing things down. But the calculus here is that

311
00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,520
Speaker 1: the price of not doing so is a massive loss

312
00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,600
Speaker 1: of life, and that is even worse for the economy

313
00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,160
Speaker 1: when you have continued spread, When you prolong the experience

314
00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,800
Speaker 1: of this disease in the country, that just strikes fear

315
00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,840
Speaker 1: into people's heart and extends the amount of time that

316
00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,760
Speaker 1: we have to keep things shut. So it turns out

317
00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,880
Speaker 1: that there's this false choice that we're being told that

318
00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,120
Speaker 1: we have to make between the economy and our health.

319
00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,000
Speaker 1: The reality is that there's a singular choice, which is

320
00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,200
Speaker 1: that if we want to optimize both our health and

321
00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,680
Speaker 1: the economy, we have to get the virus under control.

322
00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,840
Speaker 1: And that's why we've got to be aggressive with these

323
00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,600
Speaker 1: stay at home measures. And it's why also we've got

324
00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,200
Speaker 1: to use the time that people are giving us by

325
00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,280
Speaker 1: staying home, because they're buying us time, right, they're reducing

326
00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,439
Speaker 1: the peak number of infections so that we can build

327
00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,440
Speaker 1: hospital capacity and get set up so that if infections

328
00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,680
Speaker 1: you spike again, we can jump on them quickly and

329
00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,760
Speaker 1: keep them down. But we've got to use that time

330
00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,879
Speaker 1: to build up our hospital systems, our testing capacity, to

331
00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,679
Speaker 1: make sure we've got the public health infrastructure to be

332
00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,399
Speaker 1: able to trace people's contacts and quarantine them if we

333
00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,120
Speaker 1: need to. If we don't have that in place, then

334
00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,240
Speaker 1: all of this time that we ask people to bias

335
00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,000
Speaker 1: by sacrificing and by staying home, that we will have

336
00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,679
Speaker 1: squandered some of that. So that's why what we do

337
00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,199
Speaker 1: right now in terms of preparation is really critical. And

338
00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,280
Speaker 1: you think this is going to be a while, you know,

339
00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,760
Speaker 1: I mean it's going to be a minute obviously. And

340
00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,399
Speaker 1: then as far as a vaccine goes how long I

341
00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,000
Speaker 1: mean O they're saying sort of twelve months to eighteen months,

342
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,880
Speaker 1: But even once that is FDA approved and ready to go,

343
00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,240
Speaker 1: I mean, what does that exactly mean? Is this a

344
00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,480
Speaker 1: vaccine like the flu vaccine where you don't know whether

345
00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,600
Speaker 1: you're going to hit it or not, or would this

346
00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,600
Speaker 1: be a really specific vaccine. Well, the hope is it'll be.

347
00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,680
Speaker 1: It'll be highly effective. I mean, the flu vaccine can

348
00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,600
Speaker 1: vary in how effective it is anywhere from thirty percent

349
00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,200
Speaker 1: to sixty percent, depending on the year and the strain

350
00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,560
Speaker 1: of the virus. So you know, is it the perfect

351
00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,119
Speaker 1: virus and you know vaccine no? Is it better than nothing?

352
00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,360
Speaker 1: Usually yes? And actually one thing about that flu vaccine

353
00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,040
Speaker 1: is sometimes people think if I got the flu vaccine

354
00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,280
Speaker 1: and I get the flu, that means it didn't work.

355
00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,880
Speaker 1: But it turns out that if you get the flu vaccine,

356
00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,680
Speaker 1: even if you get the flu, you often will have

357
00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,840
Speaker 1: a less intense flu, a less severe illness, And so

358
00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,160
Speaker 1: it can sometimes help not just in preventing the flu,

359
00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,600
Speaker 1: but in reducing the severity of the flu. But the

360
00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,000
Speaker 1: hope is that this will be a more effective vaccine,

361
00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,000
Speaker 1: and really time will tell. And the hard part about

362
00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,480
Speaker 1: vaccine trials is that they take some time because you're

363
00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,879
Speaker 1: running them. You know, first you're doing safety studies and

364
00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,439
Speaker 1: you have to run them. In human trials, it's often

365
00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,800
Speaker 1: easier to develop a medication, especially if you're trying to

366
00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,840
Speaker 1: repurpose a medicine that might already be on the market

367
00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,439
Speaker 1: that you think could be used for people with an

368
00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,600
Speaker 1: illness like COVID nineteen. So that's why you hear some

369
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,800
Speaker 1: news about certain medicines that are being tested out there,

370
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,240
Speaker 1: like hydroxy chloric when and REMD severe and CLOrk whin itself.

371
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,320
Speaker 1: We don't know if these work. Everyone's hoping that they will.

372
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 1: A friend of mine had a friend who had it

373
00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,399
Speaker 1: really bad, went to had to go to the hospital,

374
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:41,560
Speaker 1: and they gave him such a was it sef tri accent. Yes.

375
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,320
Speaker 1: The doctor doesn't like that. He's like, hmm, not sure

376
00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 1: about that one. So SEF triaccident is a strong antibiotic

377
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,880
Speaker 1: that is sometimes given for people who have certain types

378
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,159
Speaker 1: of pneumonias in the hospital. It's not medicine that we

379
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 1: know works for COVID nineteen. COVID nineteen is a virus,

380
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:11,040
Speaker 1: and sef triaxon is an antibiotic that's usually used for bacteria.

381
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 1: So one of the reasons it's so important that we

382
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,879
Speaker 1: study these medicines, like the hydroxychloroquin in others is because

383
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 1: even sometimes even in very small trials or in individual patients,

384
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 1: when it seems like a medicine works, when you actually

385
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,440
Speaker 1: try it on a large group of people, it might

386
00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,680
Speaker 1: become more clear whether it does or doesn't, and the

387
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,680
Speaker 1: side effects also become more clear because even though we've

388
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 1: had some of these medicines around for a while, like hydroxychloroquin,

389
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 1: we've never really treated people who have COVID nineteen with them,

390
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,719
Speaker 1: so we don't really know how the medicine is going

391
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,439
Speaker 1: to interact in their system. So you know, it's important

392
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 1: to study these. It's important also, though, to be cautious

393
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,120
Speaker 1: about how much you hype the medicines, because you don't

394
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 1: want people to think that, hey, we have a cure.

395
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 1: You also don't want them to start hoarding the medication.

396
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 1: And interestingly, what happened after people started talking about hydroxy

397
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 1: chloroquin was it people's started writing prescriptions for this, trying

398
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 1: to get that medicine just in case they or their

399
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: patients had COVID nineteen infection. And turns out the people

400
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 1: who had illnesses like lupus, who needed the hydroxychlorquin for

401
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 1: their routine illness, we're actually starting to have a hard

402
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 1: time getting the medicines. So so all of these things

403
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,360
Speaker 1: have sort of side effects. And that's why when you're

404
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,239
Speaker 1: when you're in government, you're communicating about this, you've got

405
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: to be really careful to walk that line where you're

406
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 1: being upfront with people, You're being honest, You're telling them

407
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 1: with what we know. You're providing them with sources of

408
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: hope and reasons to be optimistic based on the plans

409
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,919
Speaker 1: you have, but you're not sort of overpromising or putting

410
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 1: information out there that could ultimately lead to more harm

411
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,640
Speaker 1: than it. On a personal level, is there a part

412
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 1: of you that wishes you were in the trenches again,

413
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 1: that you were standing behind that podium, or are you

414
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 1: reserve relief where you're like, oh, okay, I mean, I'm

415
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: going to do my own private thing here by private practice,

416
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: but I thank god I'm not involved in this right now.

417
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting that there are a number of

418
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 1: us on the outside, you know, who used to be

419
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 1: working the administration and who talked about exactly that question.

420
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: You know, And look, I think there are two things

421
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: I'd say. One is that most of us look at

422
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: what's happening right now, and even though you know there

423
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 1: are certain things that we think are going great and

424
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 1: other things that we think could be better, we all

425
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: know that you've got to like approach us with a

426
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: lot of humility because it's hard to be in the

427
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 1: in the middle of it, trying to figure out a

428
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 1: thousand things, you know, at the at the same time,

429
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,199
Speaker 1: while you're still learning about this virus. So, you know,

430
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: I think we give we give the folks who are

431
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: in the building, who are in the middle of the fire,

432
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: We give them, you know, a lot of credit and

433
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: some slack, you know, we needed. But I think that

434
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: a lot of us do wish that we were there,

435
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: not because we necessarily want to replace everyone who's there,

436
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: Because keep in mind, there are a lot of really

437
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: good people there, you know, people like Tony Fauci and

438
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: people like Debbie Burkes and others who are career civil

439
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 1: servants who have been there for decades. I mean, these

440
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 1: people are extraordinary talented, and we need them actually to

441
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: stick around and just still be there for future pandemics.

442
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 1: But I think that a lot of us on the outside,

443
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: having experienced what it's like to be able to help

444
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: and to make a difference, you know, at a high level,

445
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 1: like we we want to be in the trenches again,

446
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: you know, helping when the country's hurting, you know. And

447
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: I feel that way clinically as well, you know. I

448
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 1: think about the hospital I used to work at up

449
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: in Boston Brigham Women's Hospital. I think about my friends

450
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: and colleagues who are in the front lines there, and

451
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: there are days where I wish I was there with them,

452
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: you know, fighting alongside them, you know, working to treat

453
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: patients and help me to keep each other hopefully safe.

454
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, I do think about it. You know,

455
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: often I'm glad that we've got good folks career civil

456
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: servants and others who are in government. But you know,

457
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: if I had the chance to serve the country again

458
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: in some capacity, I would certainly seriously consider it because

459
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: I think it's when you have the opportunity to do

460
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: that you can really help people at a scale that

461
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 1: is large, and you can you hope in those moments

462
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: that you can do something positive and that will impact

463
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: people's lives in a good way. Is there anything right

464
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 1: now that you're not seeing that if you were in

465
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: that position, that you would be adamant about moving forward? Well,

466
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: you know, with the caveat that it's it's easy to

467
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: be the armchair commentator and as opposed in the middle

468
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: of the madness. You know, a couple of things I

469
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: think I would I would want to see perhaps more

470
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, the government be more aggressive on or perhaps

471
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: precisely differently. You know, one is I would definitely be

472
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 1: much more aggressive about pulling out the stops to produce

473
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: the personal protective equipment that our healthcare workers need. And

474
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 1: if that involves invoking the Defense Production Act or the DPA,

475
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: which allows the government to really go in and utilize

476
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: the production capacity in private industry to make what the

477
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: country needs, then I would do that. And frankly, it

478
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: would have been that weeks and weeks ago, because that

479
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: need was there a while ago and it's only getting worse.

480
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: And even though there are things are revving up in

481
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: terms of domestic production and acquisition from outside, we're still

482
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: trying to catch up, and we just want have that

483
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: time to be going in a slow pace. We really

484
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: have to pull out the stops. And if we end

485
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: up having access supplied, then so be it. We put

486
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: that in our national stockpile, we use that for the

487
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: next pandemic, but we need to really pull out the stop.

488
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: So that's one thing. I mean. The second thing I

489
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: would probably lean into more is on being more concrete

490
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: with the data and the numbers that I'm giving the

491
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: American public. So, for example, when people are right now,

492
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: a lot of people are scared because they're hearing that

493
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,959
Speaker 1: we have needs that aren't being mad. They're hearing that

494
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: hospitals are runny out of ventilators. They're hearing that hospitals

495
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: are going to run out of beds soon if they

496
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: don't get extra capacity. And what people want to know

497
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: is not just how many beds are being set up

498
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 1: in New York. They want to know that in context

499
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: and want to know how many do we actually need.

500
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: So if I tell you that I'm going to send

501
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: a thousand beds to New York, but it turns out

502
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: New York needs ten thousand beds, that's a very different

503
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: proposition than if all New York needed was a thousand beds.

504
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: And so when we don't provide that kind of context

505
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: to people. This is true in test as well, where

506
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: you know we're ramping them at the amount of tests

507
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: that we need. At this moment, we're doing slightly over

508
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand tests a today in the United States.

509
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 1: But the truth is, and that sounds good if you think, wow,

510
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 1: one hundred thousands a lot, until you realize that where

511
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: we really need to be is probably closer to one

512
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: million tests a day that we're doing, and so giving

513
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: people context and being open with them about how far

514
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 1: we are from the goal. That's not an easy thing

515
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: to do because it opens you up for criticism if

516
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: you haven't met that goal or made it enough progress.

517
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: But that's really important to be transparent like that because

518
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: that's how you build trust and it's also how you

519
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: create accountability. And in a pandemic response, if you're the government,

520
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: the most important asset that you have is public trust,

521
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: because when people start to lose faith in what you're saying,

522
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: and even when you're telling them the right thing to do,

523
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: they may not listen to you. They may have doubts,

524
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: and that can be catastrophic in terms of their health.

525
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: So those are a couple of areas I think where

526
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: I would perhaps lean in more and perhaps the last

527
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: of all, I would say I would be a little

528
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: bit more aggressive on some of the guidelines coming out

529
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: about personal precautions that we should take. For example, I

530
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: actually think that we should all be wearing masks. And

531
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: then let me be very clear about this, I think

532
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: the priority should be going to healthcare workers. I don't

533
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: think that people right now, given the shortages that we

534
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: have of masks in this country should be going out

535
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: and getting medical grade masks and using them or hoarding them.

536
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: But we can make cloth masks, cotton masks from clothing

537
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: that we have in our home for material that we

538
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,239
Speaker 1: could much more easily procure, and we can use that

539
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: to cover our nose in our mouth. And why is

540
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: this important? It's important because we already know that a

541
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: large number of people who have this virus are asymptomatic.

542
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: We know that people can spread the virus before they

543
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: have symptoms. So if that's the case, it makes sense

544
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: that we would want to protect people by having folks

545
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: cover their nose and mouth so that they are not

546
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: spreading it unintentionally to other people. And now as we're

547
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: looking back on the data, it's sort of becoming increasingly

548
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: worrisome that maybe symptomatic spread has been a big part

549
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: of what's been driving you know, how rapidly the disease

550
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: is spread. So I would you know, call for that

551
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: right now, would have probably called for like a week ago.

552
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: And we look at other countries as well, we see

553
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: that many of them have implemented measures like this where

554
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: people do wear masks in public, and you know, they've

555
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: had nothing better success, right, you know, at controlling the

556
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: virus than we have. I just learned how to make

557
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: a homemade mask out of a handkerchief. Oh great, I

558
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: was actually going to do it on Instagram. Well maybe

559
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: you should put that up on Instagram, Kate. Because the

560
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: thing is, look, if we want people to wear masks like,

561
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: we got to teach them how to make them number one,

562
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: and we also have to teach people how to use

563
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: it properly. So for example, you wouldn't want to be

564
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: using the same mask day after day. You wouldn't want

565
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: to be like putting your hands all over it, even

566
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: when you're outside, touching other surfaces, contaminating your mask even

567
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: more and then contaminating yourself. You want to be judicious

568
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: in how you use that mask, so you want to

569
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: put it on and you want to not touch your

570
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: face when you're out and about and you have it on,

571
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: and then when you come home, you want to take

572
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: it off and put it in the wash. So, you know,

573
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: we have to both tell people how do how do

574
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: you make these masks? How do you use them in

575
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: a safe and hygienic way? But I actually I suspect

576
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: that that's where we're going to be going. I think

577
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: that you'll see the CDC probably come out with guidance

578
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 1: to that effect. I think it's the right thing to do,

579
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: and I think the sooner we do it, the better

580
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: all of this stuff. Because you hear like, oh, it

581
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: sits on carbo boxes for twenty four hours, on plastic

582
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: up to three hours, Like is that all? Is it overkilled?

583
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: To go that far? Is to like leave things in

584
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: your garage for two days before opening them or yeah, yeah, no,

585
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: these are these are good questions. Look, I think a

586
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: lot of these people just don't know the answers to

587
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. I mean, yeah, we know it lives

588
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: on metal surfaces for hours at a time, and that

589
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: can survive on fabric for some hours as well, And

590
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: so look, we've got to be cautious. And I think

591
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: if you, you know, if you find yourself why being

592
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: out boxes, you know, and washing your hands after you

593
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: handle boxes that come from the outside, I don't think

594
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: that that's crazy, you know. I think that that's a

595
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: reasonable thing to do, given that we're still learning and

596
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: understanding about this virus. With that said, you know, I

597
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: think if you find it, you can't wipe down every box.

598
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: As long as you're not touching your face while you're

599
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: handling the box, and as long as you're washing your

600
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: hands immediately afterwards for at least twenty seconds, then you

601
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: should be able to get rid of the virus as well.

602
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: So there's a spectrum of ways that we can approach

603
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: this and still be safe. But really the key comes

604
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: down to not letting your hands such your face because

605
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: the main way the virus gets in off and is

606
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: through your nose and your mouth, you know, in your eyes.

607
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: So so if you can do that and make sure

608
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: you're washing regularly, then you can usually keep yourself pretty safe.

609
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: The problem is is this there's this I didn't even

610
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: know what if I can call it misinformation. There's just

611
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: almost so much information that I don't know what to

612
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: sort of believe or not, you know, I mean, as

613
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: far as news goes today, who knows, you know, everyone

614
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: has their ideas about the polarization of these you know,

615
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: these these news channels, right as far as our president

616
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: getting out and sort of saying the things that he does,

617
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: and then you've got Fauci and these other and birds

618
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,479
Speaker 1: who are like you know, sort of maybe contradicting him

619
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: or having to sort of walk the line a little bit.

620
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: I just never I just don't know, really, you know,

621
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: what to believe. So I'm going off of pure instinct,

622
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: which is just stay home, you know. Yeah, And doctor

623
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: Fauci is great, you know, I worked with him when

624
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: I was in the administration. He's he's a first class scientist.

625
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: He's a great clinician, and he's a straight shooter when

626
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: it comes to telling us what's going on. So I

627
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: think it's it's really good that he has been part

628
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: of the briefings. I'm glad that the administration is giving

629
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: him a voice, and I think it's really important that

630
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: people hear what he has to say. You know, if

631
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: you look at you know, if you listen to what

632
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: he's been saying. Though he's been cautious in what he's

633
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: telling people, with giving a caveat that. Look, things could change.

634
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: We're telling you this today, but we're learning every day,

635
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: and we may tell you something slightly different tomorrow. So

636
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: the guys, for example, then you know, if you were

637
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: let's say that you didn't have to worry if you

638
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: didn't have symptoms, you know, in terms of getting tested.

639
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: Now that we're learning that a lot of people don't

640
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: have symptoms with still carry the virus and could shed

641
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: the virus. Now, you know, we've got to rethink that. So,

642
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, this is the tricky thing about this is

643
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: that some of the guidance will change. And so I

644
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: think if you find yourself airing on the side of caution,

645
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: that's not a bad thing, you know, because this is

646
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: keep in mind, this is different, this coronavirus than H

647
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: one N one, you know, the swine flu or some

648
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: of the other viruses that we've seen before, in that

649
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: it's more dangerous, you know. You know H one N one,

650
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: which is a virus that popped up about ten years

651
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: ago and spread around the world. You know that affected

652
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: over sixty million people in the United States, but it

653
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: had a mortality rate that was only twenty percent of

654
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: that of the flu. So keep in mind, this one

655
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: is probably at least ten times greater than the flu.

656
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: So it was about fifty times greater in terms of

657
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: its mortality than H one N one. So look, because

658
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: it's deadlier and more dangerous, I think it's not wrong

659
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: to be cautious. And I think that at the end

660
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: of the day, everyone wants to be safe. They want

661
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: to keep their families safe. They don't want to put

662
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: people other people at risk, especially people who are older.

663
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: So and so these okay, so what about these bats

664
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: for a second? All right, these bats, these bats are

665
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: like fastholes. It feels like and what and correct me

666
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, But the the bat's immune system is

667
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: like hyper hyper immune. They have hyper immunity, right, So

668
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: these viruses are then able to live in these bats

669
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: for long periods of time. Am I right about that?

670
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: Or am I totally off base? Yeah? So they can

671
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: harbor these viruses without you know, enduring the same kind

672
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: of lethal effect that humans have, and you know they're

673
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily say their immune systems are superior to ours,

674
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: because they're just different and they're probably more susceptible to

675
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: some things that we may not be susceptible to, and

676
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: vice versa. But they have been a reservoir for our

677
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: viruses that have ultimately ended up jumping to humans over time,

678
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: and this seems to be the latest example of that.

679
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: So basically, we just got to get rid of the bats.

680
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: This is not good for the bats, is terrible pr

681
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: for the vat so I just want to actually give

682
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: a little disclaimer right now. You know, we're going to

683
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: get to our ads, and you know, even though these

684
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: are strange and very uncertain times, our sponsors are still

685
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: coming through for not just for us, but you know,

686
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: for the people who work for them, and we want

687
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: to support them as much as we can so well,

688
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: and also support the people that work inside of our

689
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: business in this podcast as well. Exactly exactly. There are

690
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: many amazing people who make this show and a lot

691
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: of other shows that you listen to run, and there's

692
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: a lot of jobs at Steak as well, and these

693
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: sponsors help with all of that, with keeping everyone's lights on.

694
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: So all right, and go tap the Rockies a course

695
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: light rad Now it's a mix of Cores and then

696
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: the Beatles. No one's done that before, God because they'll gets.

697
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: I don't think, I don't I don't think we use

698
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: enough bars. I think I think, I think I'm away

699
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: the bars. I don't even think you're in the right

700
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: keys anyway, cors Light. It's the beer. It's not only

701
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: it's it's not only the beer of the Rockies, it's

702
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: the beer of the Hudson's. In my estimation, I've been

703
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,479
Speaker 1: drinking Cors Light since I was twenty one years old. Yeah.

704
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: It was born in the rocky Mountains of Colorado nineteen

705
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: seventy eight, which is really close to my birthday and

706
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: my right in between us really big. It's big news.

707
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 1: We're all the same age, yeah, exactly, where as old

708
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: as cors only one hundred and two calories is good

709
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: for me. I like the sound of that. But the

710
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: mountains on the bottom and the cans they turn blue,

711
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: and your beer's cold, which is one of my favorite

712
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: things about it. You always know when it's time to chill.

713
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: So when you want to reset reads for the beer

714
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: that's made to chill, corese Light, get your chill on

715
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: Celberate responsibly Cores Brewing Company, Golden Colorado. There's the fear

716
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: factor of just walking outside these days, right, which is

717
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: I just feel like when I'm breathing the air, I

718
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: am contracting coronavirus. But that's all sort of, you know,

719
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: fear based. But what is the truth about sort of

720
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: the airborne nature of this virus? How long can it

721
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: actually last from a sneeze, from a cough. Well, it's

722
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: a good question. And you know, again, some of these

723
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 1: questions are hard to say with one hundred percent certainty

724
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: since we're still learning about the virus, but it does

725
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: seem to be that the virus primarily seems to travel

726
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: through respiratory particles on we coughs, sneeze, and perhaps even

727
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: when we are speaking, which might be how people who

728
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: are asymptomatic, who don't have any fever or cough seem

729
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: to spread it, you know, if if it's coming out

730
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: when you're speaking as well when you're infected, and then

731
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: some of that gets on your hands and then you

732
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: touch a surface and the surface is infected, someone else

733
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: touches that you can get infected. But I don't think

734
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: that there's anyone in the public health community right now,

735
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, at least not signifant numbers of people who

736
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: believe that just going out and taking a walk is

737
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: it all dangerous. In fact, we want people to go

738
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: out and to take walks. We don't want them to

739
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: do it in crowds. And if you're going to do

740
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: it with somebody else, you've got to keep some distance

741
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: from them, you know, at least six feet if not more.

742
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: But getting out in nature and you know, walking around,

743
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: getting exercised, this is actually very important for not just

744
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: your physical health, of your mental health as well. Yeah,

745
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: and again we still don't know. We still don't know,

746
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: I guess, but if you if you get it once,

747
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: can you get it again? So you know, there have

748
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: been a few, you know, case reports, you know from

749
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: other countries where people have said that individuals who were

750
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: infected and then recovered got infected again. But these are

751
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: in really small numbers, and there's a lot we still

752
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: need to understand about those limited number of people, like

753
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,479
Speaker 1: did they actually fully clear the infection they have normal

754
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: immune systems. We do know though that there are other

755
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: viruses that you can get and then get again. So

756
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: for example, we get the common cold, and even though

757
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: there are different strains of the cold, we likely don't

758
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: develop lifelong immunity to a particular strain of cold. Once

759
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: we get it, we may be immune for a short

760
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: period of time, then it wears off. With a flu

761
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: as well, you know, we can get the flu one

762
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: year and then get it the next year. Now it

763
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: may be a different strain the next year, but again

764
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: it's not that the immunity we get from having the

765
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: flu probably doesn't last for a lifetime. So with this

766
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: virus as well. It's likely that many people will develop

767
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: some immunity to it. What's less clear is how many

768
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: people will that be and how long will that immunity last.

769
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons it's so important for

770
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: us to not just study this but also work really

771
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: hard in the vaccine and on a medication, because if

772
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: we're in a situation where this virus is hanging around

773
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: for a long period of time, or where if it's

774
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: sick like and it comes back every year during the

775
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: winter time, then we need to be able to ensure

776
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: that we've got a way to treat it. But even

777
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: if it does that, I just want to tell people

778
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: that the hope is that it won't be nearly as bad,

779
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully, you know, as it was this time around,

780
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: if we do our work, which is again, work on

781
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: these therapies, take these measures to make sure we can

782
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: test really broadly and see where you know, it crops

783
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: up so we can stamp it out quickly. But we've

784
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: got to work really hard to make sure that these

785
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: that we've got the inform infrastructure in place to respond

786
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: and respond aggressively to this virus if it does crop

787
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: up again. But can I tell you? Can I tell

788
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: you one thing? Though, Like I feel like everything we've

789
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: talked about has been very dark and gloomy, because this

790
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: is pretty serious situation. But you know, I got to say,

791
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of amazing stuff happening. Like that's

792
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: just not only giving me a hope that we can

793
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: overcome the COVID nineteen, but it's it's you know, it's

794
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: strengthen my faith in humanity because you know, at a

795
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: time like this when like you know, sometimes you walk

796
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: around in life and you wonder, am I just the

797
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: only one having a bad day? Am I the only

798
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: one feeling insecure? Am I the only one feeling lost?

799
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: But it's pretty safe to assume that in this day

800
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: and age, when everyone is trying to figure out how

801
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: to make sense of a life turned upside down, that

802
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: everyone is feeling kind of lost. And I'm seeing like

803
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: more and more people reach out and help each other,

804
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, seeing healthcare workers, like friends who are doctors

805
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 1: and nurses say that neighbors are just coming and leaving

806
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: care packages at their door because they know that they're

807
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: going and putting themselves on the line. And every day

808
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: I'm hearing for people who are going to check on

809
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: neighbors just to make sure that they're okay because they

810
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: know they're older, they have out their illnesses and they

811
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: might be a greater risk and they can't go out

812
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: as much. So I feel like, you know, whether it's that,

813
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: or whether it's people sharing lessons plans with each other

814
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: so they can help each other homeschool their kids, or

815
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: bosses who are stepping up to actually forget about work

816
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: for a moment and just focus on people's mental health

817
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 1: and emotional wellbeing. I feel like more and more people

818
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: are starting to step up and realize that yes, we're

819
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: all in this together. Yes we need government to do

820
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: its job, but we also all need to be there

821
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: for each other, and we need to step up and

822
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: take care of each other. And I think that is

823
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: the basic bargain that has made America work. It's that

824
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: we need the government to be there to support the

825
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: people's needs, and we need people to step up and

826
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: take care of each other. Yeah, I'm noticing that as well.

827
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: It's sort of this collective, more connective experience that everybody's

828
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: having because we're all feeling the same thing. One of

829
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: the things we talked about was loneliness, because that's what

830
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: your book's about. And you wonder, you know, is this

831
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: epidemic of loneliness going to rise or is this a

832
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: time where people are actually going to, like you said,

833
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: sort of out of this connect to people differently? Is

834
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: I think you're hitting on I think what a lot

835
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: of people are struggling with, which is a question of

836
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: how do you manage your day, how do you find

837
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: time to think and reflect, how do you make sense

838
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: of a lot of the thoughts that are popping into

839
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: your head? Also this question about where is this going

840
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: to lead us in the long term. This is an

841
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: extraordinary moment of upheaval, and one thing that is certain

842
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: is we will not come out the same on the

843
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: other side. That this will leave an indelible imprint on

844
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: all of our minds and our psycheys, and we will

845
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: remember this moment for the rest of our lives. And

846
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: there's a question of what kind of transformation will be

847
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: brought from this whole experience. And I think that if

848
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: we are intentional about thinking about our social lives and

849
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: how that has been impacted, if we're intentional about thinking

850
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,959
Speaker 1: about our relationships and what priority they have in our lives.

851
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: I think that there is something really interesting here that

852
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: could happen because you know, there is a gap I

853
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: think between for many of us, myself included, between our

854
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: stated priorities and our lived priorities. You know, if I

855
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: asked you, guys, like what your top priority was in life, Well,

856
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: let me ask you, what is your top priority in life?

857
00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: I mean my family, Well, my health and will first,

858
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: because that's not there, then clearly I won't be able

859
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: to take care of my children. But my kids, yeah,

860
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: and what about you, Oliver? My family, my children, you know,

861
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: making sure they're happy or not making sure, but just

862
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: giving them the hopefully giving them the tools to be

863
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: happy and confident, you know, and you know, resilient. I

864
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: think that's probably my my number one priority in my

865
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: life for sure, over my career, over anything else. It's

866
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: definitely my family. What about you? And I would I

867
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: would say the same thing. I mean for me, Kate, Yes,

868
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's my my family. It's my wife, my kids,

869
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: my mom, my dad, my sister, my grandmother, and you know,

870
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: in the it's so clear to me that those are

871
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: more important to me than my But when I think about,

872
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: like where I spend the bulk of my time and

873
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: attention where I have you know, over the last five

874
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: ten years of my life. And I regret to say,

875
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: and I say this with some embarrassment, that even though

876
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: I put people at the top of my priority list,

877
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that they have functionally been at the top.

878
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: I think I've spent more time focused on things like

879
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: career and other things than I really want to. And

880
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, I think this is an opportunity for us

881
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 1: to step back and ask if we have a gap

882
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: between our stated priorities and our live priorities, and to ask, like,

883
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: where do people really fit in? You know, many people

884
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: are now having the experience of not having the contact

885
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: with other people that they want, and that's really painful.

886
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: And for me, one of the things that's made me

887
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 1: realize is just how much I depend on other people

888
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: and on relationships in my life. And so I think

889
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: as we go through this struggle, we have a choice

890
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: here of thinking, you know, number one, if we recognize

891
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: how powerful and central relationships are, how do we actually

892
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: want to live our life? What does it mean to

893
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: live a people's centered life? And to me, a people

894
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: centered life is what it means that we prioritize people

895
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: when it comes to where we put our time and attention.

896
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: It means that when my friend calls, that I pick

897
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: up the phone, even if I just have ten seconds

898
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: to say, Hey, I can't talk to you right now,

899
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: I'll call you later. But I prioritize like answering. It

900
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: means that if I've got to choose between work and

901
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: my family, that whenever I can, and it's not always possible,

902
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: whenever I can, I actually remember that I want to

903
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: put family first. It also means that when I'm talking

904
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: to someone, when I'm with the people that I love,

905
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: that I give them one of the greatest gifts that

906
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: any of us can give each other, which is a

907
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: gift of our full attention. That I don't allow myself

908
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: to be distracted by my phone or by TV or

909
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: something when I'm talking to them. Even if I talk

910
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: to them for less time, let it be good time.

911
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: Let it be high quality time. So to me like,

912
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: these are some of the things I think that all

913
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: of us are starting to grapple with. And if we

914
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: come out of this time, this time, of this time

915
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: of great upheaval, if we come out of this with

916
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: a greater commitment to focusing on our relationships and to

917
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: prioritizing people in our life. Then I think it will

918
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: not just change our day to day experience and our fulfillment,

919
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: which I think it will. I don't think it'll just

920
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: improve our health, which I'm sure it will, But I

921
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: think it will also have spillover impacts on how society

922
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: is designed. Because imagine this. If you're a boss and

923
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: you come out with a renewed focus on relationships and

924
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: understand how central they are in life, then you can

925
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: start to think about how to design a workplace that

926
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 1: focuses on strengthening connection. If you're a principal, or a teacher,

927
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: or an educator in a different form, you can start

928
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,479
Speaker 1: to think how we design schools that don't just teach

929
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: kids how to read and write and do arithmetic, but

930
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: also give them the foundation for healthy relationships going forward.

931
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: And you can ultimately realize and it's to say this

932
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: knowing that this is an election year when many people

933
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: are thinking about who they want to represent them that

934
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: when we think about the polarization that we're experiencing in

935
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: this country and really around the world, I think a

936
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: lot of it comes down to the lack of relationship

937
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: that we have with each other, with the fact that

938
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: we've in many ways taken our community relationships for granted

939
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: and they've deteriorated over time, not because we don't care

940
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: about people, but more out of just neglect and not

941
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: prioritizing them. And so I hope is that we will

942
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: come out of this long struggle with COVID nineteen with

943
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 1: a different sense of how important people are and relationships are,

944
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: and that we will use that to change out in

945
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: our lives. But how we design the institutions we work

946
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: and learn, and how we think about our politics and

947
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: society more broadly, Yeah, I mean, I think that that

948
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: is definitely the dream. I mean, we are coming from

949
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: we are coming from such a divided place right now,

950
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: and this is the time to sort of come together.

951
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: We're seeing what it's like when people have no choice

952
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: but to sort of be together. And I guess my

953
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: concern is is we live in such a fast paced

954
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: world that it's always onto the next. We're always onto

955
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: the next. So what is going to prevent this moment

956
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: in time which could bring us together actually from going

957
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: back to just the norm, to status quo, to consumerism,

958
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, to just you know, me, Me, me, because

959
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: what I love what's happening right now too, is we're

960
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: learning about conservation. Whether we want to or not, you know,

961
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: whether we believe in climate change or whether we don't,

962
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: we are learning to conserve because we have no choice.

963
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: And it's kind of a great thing. It's really nice

964
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: to actually eat everything on your plate, not throw away

965
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: so much food. One of my biggest pet peeves is

966
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: food waste. It's unbelievable the amount of food that we waste,

967
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: even from my family. And we are so conscious of

968
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: that now and it feels very good. I just fear that,

969
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: you know, this is a moment in time that's just

970
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: going to pass us by. We have an opportunity now,

971
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: and I hope that we take this opportunity, but I

972
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: fear that we'll just get right back to business as usual,

973
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, or not. You know, just looking at your

974
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: employees and thinking about the time that you want them

975
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: to spend with their family and the things that they

976
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: prioritize for their personal life, and you know, be nice

977
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: if that is the domino effect. But has this changed

978
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: any course of direction for you? You know, it's had

979
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: an impact on me as well, and you know, I

980
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: certainly never imagined when I wrote the book that it

981
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: would be, you know, as timely and relevant as it

982
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: is today. I knew that we were dealing with a

983
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: lot of loneliness in society, but I had no idea

984
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: that we would be, you know, that we would be

985
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: dealing with a whole new risk, you know, of exacerbating

986
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: that loneliness. But look, you know, for me, it's changed

987
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: things for me as well, because I think it's hard

988
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: to experience like this profound life change that we've gone

989
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: through without being affected. And you know where I am

990
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: right now is I'm actually physically in Miami, Florida. I'm

991
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: here with my parents who live here, with my sister

992
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: and my brother in law and my grandmother. This is

993
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 1: where I grew up, and so my family had stayed here.

994
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: But one of the things that has happened, and the

995
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 1: reason that we came down here is because my grandmother

996
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: had fractured her hip and she was, you know, she

997
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: was she had a rough time getting better, and my

998
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: family was having a rough time caring for her, and

999
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: so we'd already planned that we were going to come

1000
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: down and help out. Well the day of night before

1001
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: we got on the flight, Alice and I looked at

1002
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 1: each other and we knew what was coming. We knew

1003
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: that this was getting worse and worse, and we said,

1004
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: there's a chance that we may not be able to

1005
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: come back in a week, which is what we had planned,

1006
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: and soon. And so we had to decide do we

1007
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: cancel the trip or do we go down? And so

1008
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: that was one of the first major decisions we had

1009
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: to make where we had to, in a sense, choose,

1010
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: and we chose family. At that point, we said, let's

1011
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: go down. There's some risk of traveling, yes, but it's

1012
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: more important if that, if we're all going to be

1013
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,479
Speaker 1: shut down, that we're together. And so we went down

1014
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: and we've been here for several weeks now we inticed

1015
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: the pay we may be here for several months. And

1016
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that as hard as it is to

1017
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: be pulled out of our routine, to not have the

1018
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: usual supports that we have in terms of childcare in DC,

1019
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: there are all these extraordinary gifts that we feel like

1020
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: we're being given here. I'm seeing my dad and my

1021
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: mom get such joy at being with our three year

1022
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 1: old son and our two year old daughter. We're getting

1023
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: to see them all snuggle on the bed together. I'm

1024
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: watching my dad sit in the big bathtub and give

1025
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: both of them a bath at the same time, and

1026
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: walk them both around the garden and pick tamer and

1027
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: from the trees, and pick starfruit and look at all

1028
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: the mangoes that are starting to come on the trees

1029
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: and talk about picking them in another month when they

1030
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: get ripe. And these are such beautiful moments. And in

1031
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: the past, you know, I had experienced them for a

1032
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: few days or at a time, and we would come

1033
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: down to visit. But now I look at this, these

1034
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: beautiful experiences that my children are being given, that we're

1035
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: all being given, and I think to myself, why don't

1036
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 1: we spend more time together, why don't we live closer together?

1037
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: And so in that way, like this experience is sort

1038
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: of pushing me to evaluate my own life choices in

1039
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: a deeper way and ask the question, what does it

1040
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: really look like the design of life that centered around

1041
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: people and relationships. It means making some hard choices and

1042
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: some sacrifices. But it's more clear now than ever before

1043
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: that looks really worth it. Mmm, that's so great. You

1044
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: did the right thing. I mean, I think you probably

1045
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: had a little foresight too. I mean you you might

1046
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: have seen this thing coming from further out than a

1047
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 1: lot of people. I would assume now that you can't

1048
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: really go and do any of these shows. And what

1049
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: are we going to be doing about your book? I

1050
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: wanted to host something here, I was all excited about

1051
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: that in Los Angeles. So how are you going to

1052
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: go out and promoted? Are you going to do it

1053
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: via zoom? It's a good question. You know. What's been

1054
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: unexpected and interesting in this moment is that more people

1055
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: are actually asking about the book because they know this

1056
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: is a time where people are struggling with isolation and

1057
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 1: with loneliness. So it's become I think, even more relevant

1058
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: than perhaps it was perceived to be before. But you know,

1059
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: I do want to connect with people about this and

1060
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: have this larger conversation just because of what you said

1061
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: earlier Kane and Oliver that there's a real opportunity here

1062
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: if we really focus on strengthening human connections to come

1063
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: out of this whole saga with COVID nineteen stronger than

1064
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: we did before. It maybe even reorient our priorities and

1065
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: the life that we live after this is all over.

1066
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: And so we're looking at a few different ways of

1067
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: doing that. We're doing more podcasts now, we're doing zoom conversations.

1068
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: I want to do more of them because I really

1069
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: enjoyed them. You know. It's just on a zoom conversation

1070
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: with about three hundred young people, college grad students and

1071
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: recent graduates talking about what to expect with COVID nineteen.

1072
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: But we're looking to do more things like that, and

1073
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm also open to sort of doing sort

1074
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: of virtual dinner parties as well and other small group

1075
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: things with people who are interested in this, because I think, look,

1076
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: we're all getting used to a new way of just

1077
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: being together, and it's a virtual in this sense. But

1078
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: I actually feel that rather than just putting the book

1079
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 1: out into the ether, being able to have conversations about

1080
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 1: it is really important now and I want to have those,

1081
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: even if they're virtual. Before we go. I wanted to

1082
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: just touch on mental health for a second during the

1083
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, during this virus, because I think it hasn't

1084
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: really been talked about that much. You know, there is

1085
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: another aspect to this, you know that is not necessarily

1086
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: physical health, but mental health, not just people not being

1087
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: able to get medication. I'm just talking about the idea

1088
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: of being alone that might exacerbate some mental health issues.

1089
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: Is this a real Can this become a real problem,

1090
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: like sort of the you know the secret you know

1091
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: the secret danger of all all of this. Well, that's

1092
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: a great question, Oliver, and I think you're you're exactly

1093
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: right to spotlight that as an issue that we haven't

1094
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: talked about nearly as much in society in the last

1095
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: couple of months. But I think you're right. Look, whenever

1096
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: there's major change, and we see this after major disasters

1097
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 1: like hurricanes or tornadoes, the mental stress that people endure

1098
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: and the episodes and instances of mental illness actually do increase,

1099
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: and they don't just increase in like the week you know,

1100
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: of the tragedy, but we can see a spike that

1101
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: lasts for weeks and months, you know, afterward. And so

1102
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: I think it's especially because this is a prolonged period

1103
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: of change, it's an prolonged crisis. I think we do

1104
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: have to be mindful that we may see anxiety levels

1105
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: rise and we may see depression worsen. I'm particularly worried

1106
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: about suicides, recognizing that there are many people who live

1107
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 1: with severe depression and who are you know, on the edge,

1108
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 1: so to speak, of being suicidal? And I worry about them,

1109
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: especially if they're alone and don't have, you know, a

1110
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: friend that they can see or somebody they can engage with.

1111
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: And that's why I think at times like this, it's

1112
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: especially important that we recognize that we're all vulnerable in

1113
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: some way to greater sadness, to greater stress, and potentially

1114
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: to a worsening of mental illness. And it's important that

1115
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: we reach out to each other. You know, we might

1116
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: think that five minutes spent on the phone with a

1117
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: friend isn't really going to add much to their lives,

1118
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: but you'd be surprised if you've been dealing with severe

1119
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 1: depression and isolation and you get a call from somebody

1120
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: you trust and you love, that five minutes can be

1121
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 1: a lifeline. And so I think we have to assume

1122
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: that everybody is struggling in some way, and that we

1123
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: can serve them and serve ourselves ultimately as well by

1124
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: reaching out to them and connecting with them, and that

1125
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: connection at a point of need can be so powerful

1126
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: and so healing. So I think this is a moment

1127
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: for us to think of as ourselves as healers, all

1128
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: of us. You know, you don't need it medical degree

1129
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,720
Speaker 1: or a nursing degree to be able to help people

1130
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: in a moment like this. All you need is the

1131
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: willingness to step up and reach out to others, the

1132
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: compassion to be there for them and to listen deeply,

1133
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: and the willingness to open up your own heart and

1134
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: to be transparent with them about what you're experiencing and

1135
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,439
Speaker 1: what you're going through, and by doing so you often

1136
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: will give them permission to open up more as well. Yeah,

1137
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: hopefully this will create an epidemic of vulnerability, you know,

1138
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: because I think that we need that and this might

1139
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: bring that on because essentially you have to feel that

1140
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: vulnerability to reach out to people and feel that compassion,

1141
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: and you know, it's an important thing and I do

1142
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: think it has not been touched upon enough. So make

1143
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: a phone call, do a skype, you know, I mean

1144
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: why not? There are like people that have organizations where

1145
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: they call people, right, they schedule calls. Yeah, there is

1146
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: an organization in the in the United Kingdom called the

1147
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: Silver Line which provides a phone service and senior citizens

1148
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: will call in and often just to say good night,

1149
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: or to say hello, or to hear someone's voice. You know,

1150
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: we evolve a human beings to be very sensitive to

1151
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: the sound of someone's voice, the look of their facial expressions,

1152
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: and their body language, and as well as to the

1153
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: content of what they say. And this is one of

1154
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: the reasons it's so powerful when you video conference with somebody,

1155
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: even if it's just for two minutes, seeing you, hearing

1156
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: your voice, as well as knowing what it is that

1157
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,439
Speaker 1: you have to say, it can be just so rich

1158
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: and so healing for other people. So yeah, that human contact,

1159
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: I'll tell you it's rich healing. It's one of the

1160
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: most important medicines that we have, and I think this

1161
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: is the time where we need to use it. Oh god, okay,

1162
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: one last question. You look at so dapper. Are you

1163
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: wearing shorts or do you just have this awesome suit

1164
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: up top and you're wearing like immutas shorts close clothes

1165
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: when I'm actually wearing are a scrubpants? Yeah? Do you

1166
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: want to you want to see? Yeah? Yeah? All right,

1167
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: all right, So I'm gonna stand up here against judgment,

1168
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: all right, So you see, Oh my god, that is amazing.

1169
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: I knew it that's awesome. Well, thank you so much,

1170
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: so much. This has been amazing to reconnect with you

1171
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: during this time, so good to speak with both of

1172
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: you again and to see you too, and to hear

1173
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: your laces and tell your sister I say hello to

1174
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: I will. Sibling Rivalry is executive produced by Kate Hudson,

1175
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: Olira Hudson, and sim Sarna. Supervising producer is Alison Presnik.

1176
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: Editor is Josh Wendish. Music by Mark Hudson a k A.

1177
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: Uncle Mar