WEBVTT - The Dave Pasch Podcast - Kurt Warner 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:07.440 Hey everybody, Welcome to the first ever Dave Pash podcast. 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:12.159 I'm your host, ESPN announcer and twenty year voice of 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:16.400 the Arizona Cardinals, Dave Pash. It's been a long time 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:20.480 since I have done something like this. As I mentioned, 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:22.840 I've been with the Arizona Cardinals for two decades. My 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:26.000 first year was in two thousand and two. Shortly after 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:28.920 I took the job with the Cardinals, I started working 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:33.440 for ESPN. So during that time, I've done games, and 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:36.879 that's all I've done on television and radio, and I 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.000 love doing games. I would never quit my day job. 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:42.920 It's my passion, it's what I do best. But I 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:48.400 also loved talking all sports and interviewing guests especially it 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.800 takes me back to some of my years prior to 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:55.639 coming to the Cardinals. I graduated in nineteen ninety four 0:00:55.720 --> 0:01:00.680 from Syracuse. I worked in Morgantown, West Virginia, for ten months, 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.840 then moved to Detroit, working for an all sports radio 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.720 station there for two years, and then worked for two 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:10.280 years in Chicago, and part of my duties there was 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:15.640 hosting a nightly radio talk show on WMAQ six seventy am. 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:21.200 During the last dance the final run for the Chicago Bulls. 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:24.959 So when the Cardinals and I came up with this 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.200 idea for a podcast, since there were so many podcasts 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:31.480 out there, big reason we thought this could be unique 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.959 was because of the guests. So we're going to have 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:40.240 on guests from all walks of life, former and current players, coaches, 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:45.080 broadcasters from a variety of sports talking Cardinals, NFL, and 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:50.080 much more. Of course, the priority at the Dave Pash 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:54.960 Podcast was making sure that the first edition had on 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.880 an incredible guest. I couldn't think of a better way 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:02.040 to kick it off than with Hall of Famer Kurt 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:06.480 Warner coming up. Kurt's going to talk about his days 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:10.720 with the Cardinals, his proudest moment as an NFL quarterback, 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:15.520 and who he confided in about his retirement during his 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:19.800 final season in the NFL. Some stories that maybe you 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:23.240 haven't heard before. What did Kurt say to the team 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:27.519 at halftime Super Bowl forty three after the interception by 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:32.960 James Harrison? What did Kurt tell Larry Fitzgerald the very 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:37.079 first time they spent time with one another. Kurt will 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.960 give his opinion on whether he thinks Larry is done 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.799 or if he'll play football again in twenty twenty one. 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:47.280 I got to know Kurt when he was a player 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.640 with the Cardinals. We're going to talk a little bit 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:54.000 about our relationship, like the time I played basketball with 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:57.200 Kurt at the YMCA and what he did that had 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:02.120 me amazed, Also helping Kurt prepare for life after football, 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:06.280 which turned out to be as a broadcaster, and what 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:10.560 he told me outside the Cardinals locker room just moments 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.760 after the Super Bowl loss to the Steelers that left 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:21.160 me absolutely speechless. We'll discuss American Underdog, the Kurt Warner's story, 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.920 Kurt's new movie, which comes out in December, and why 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:31.240 what wasn't in the movie might actually be the greater story. 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:34.800 Without further ado, let's get you to the interview. Here 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:38.560 is Hall of Famer Kurt Warner on the first edition 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:48.480 of the Dave Pass Podcast. Kurt, I've got so many 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:50.680 things I want to talk to you, talk with you 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.400 about today. Man. I know you got work to do, 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:55.120 so I won't keep you too long, but I really 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.480 appreciate you doing this. It's the first time I've ever 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:00.280 done a podcast. The last time I did any sort 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:04.480 of talk show was in Chicago in nineteen ninety seven 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.920 ninety eight, when I was just coming out of college, 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:09.800 and that happened to be the last dance year. So 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:11.640 I remember all we did was talking about Michael Jordan. 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:13.040 But all we're gonna do right now is talk about 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:15.440 Kurt Warner and the life. You weren't talking about arena 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.080 football then, because that's where I was back in nineteen 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.039 ninety seven, playing a little Brena football at the time, 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:24.760 and then you became a movie star, and here we 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:28.159 are talking about American Underdog, the Kurt Warner Story. So 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.280 it's going to be released December tenth. And I remember 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:32.840 talking to you a few years ago and you told me, Hey, 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:35.599 I'm gonna be doing this movie. How did it come about? 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:39.600 Who approached you? And at first were you hesitant or 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.320 You're like, this is great, let's do it. I think 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:46.080 I wrapped my mind around it years ago because when 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.560 I came onto the scene and the first year, the 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.800 Magical Year win, the Super Bowl, win, the MVP, you 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.360 do the Disney commercial, and as soon as that all 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.760 played out, it came down to, oh my gosh, this 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:58.719 is a movie that's made for Disney, Like this is 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:02.080 that Disney movie. The way has played out. So early 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.400 on people were talking about that, and obviously there was 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:06.800 a whole lot of work to do, you know, before 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.800 this would take place, but at least, you know, people 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:11.960 said it out there like, hey, if this keeps going 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.400 like this, this could be a movie. And so that's 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:17.920 kind of where you first initially go, Okay, you know, 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:21.240 we'll see I see what people are saying. And as 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.560 things played out and having the success that I did 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.240 and getting to the Hall of Fame, I think there 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.120 was a big part of us that thought this. You know, 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:29.880 when you look at other movies that are out there 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:33.760 that you know, the Rudy movies, you know Invincible and 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.599 you know Michael Ore's movie, those different things, you go, well, 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.360 if those are made into a movie, this one probably 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.400 will be as well, because when you look at the 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:46.440 entirety of the journey, it's probably greater than any of 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.600 those other ones. So you know, all of that stuff 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.400 goes into it. But you know, it was shortly after 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.800 I retired where people reached out to us and said, hey, 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:55.320 we want to make this movie. We want to get 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.880 into this. And so now it's been about a decade 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.120 in the making. As we've gone through different writers and 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.839 different things, and Brendan I always said that, yeah, it 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:05.320 would be great, it would be cool to have a 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.080 movie about your life, but we're not interested in just 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.080 doing a movie. If we're going to do the movie, 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:11.680 we want to make sure it's done right. And so 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:13.680 we've been through a number of writers because of that, 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.159 because they, you know, get bits and pieces of it 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.880 where we're like, that's not the story we want to tell, 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.520 and so that's why it's taken so long. But it's 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.799 just funny how God works and the journey and sometimes 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:27.839 you're like, Okay, why is it taken so long? I 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.440 said that with my career at times, we've said that 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.440 with the movie, and now I'm not sure there could 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.719 be a better time with the idea of the underdog story, 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:41.000 my underdog story throughout this movie will be a number 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:44.599 of underdog stories tied into where we are, you know, 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.360 as a country, where we are in the world, with 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:49.760 everything that's going against us, and so many people that 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:53.320 have struggled this past year with the pandemic and kind 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.120 of find themselves in a position like I was for 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.400 a long time, like Okay, what's next? How do I 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.240 get back to where I want to go, or how 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.000 do I fulfill my dream with all of these challenges. 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.320 So it's just kind of amazing that I think it's 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.360 coming out at the perfect time as we're getting back 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.560 on track and people are going to need some inspiration 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.440 and some encouragement that hey, no matter where your circumstances 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.640 have you right now, this doesn't have to be where 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.040 it ends. And I think that's a message that our 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.080 country needs right now. So I'm excited for the timing 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.200 of this movie. And now it's just about making sure 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:28.000 that we get it right. You mentioned Rudy, and I 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:31.160 know somebody I can't say his name who played with Rudy, 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:34.760 who said, ah, it was fabricated a little bit. It 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.080 was made for Hollywood that it wasn't like exactly the story. 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:41.000 Have you seen the finished product and is it really 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:44.320 the Kurt Warner story. We're not finished yet, Okay. We 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.520 did actually just see us screening about a week ago, 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:49.760 the first screening that we've seen. And so it's it's 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:51.920 going through the testing process now where they do a 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.320 lot of these screenings and they get their feedback and 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:56.000 how does it flow and how does it test and 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:58.640 all of that stuff. So we saw the first rendition 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.720 of it. It is the Kurt Warner story. That's I 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.280 think the interesting thing about our story is there's there's 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.640 so many layers to it. When you know you tie 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:10.160 in myself and Brenda's story, and Zach being a part 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.960 of this in his underdog story, and then obviously the 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.440 football journey. You don't have to make a whole lot up. 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.280 You don't have to you know, design a whole lot 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.600 for the movies or or or put in your movie magic. 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.160 There's just a lot of really really good moments, and 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:27.200 I think that's one of the hardest things right now 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.720 as we're putting this together. There's so much stuff. Sure 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.760 it's not trying to do too much, but still trying 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.480 to tell the whole story. And so so far, the 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:37.640 testing has been great. I mean it's been off the charts, 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:41.040 which is exciting for me. I'm everything I do. I 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:42.600 want it to be the best. I want it to 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.040 be excellent. So I still want to shape it a 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.760 little bit more because I think there's more potential for it. 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:49.920 But we're excited about where the movie is right now 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:51.439 and the team we've got in place for the movie. 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:55.320 My kids absolutely love Zachary Levi. They love him from 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.800 Chuck Okay and then Shazam, which was a great movie. 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:03.880 So when and my kids know you, they absolutely love 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:07.280 your story and so when they found out that Zachary 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:11.720 Levi was playing you, they were psyched, Like you couldn't 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:15.320 think of a better person to play Kurt Warner, What 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.079 did you think of the choice And how much time 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.880 have you spent with Zachary talking about you? You know, 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:24.520 it's funny when you think about these roles. Initially it's like, oh, 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:26.800 it just gotta be somebody that looks like me. And 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.520 so there's definitely that resemblance. There's times even when you 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.640 see scenes from the movies or pictures that they take 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.640 where my kids will even be like, damn, that looks 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.880 just like you, dad. And then there's the second level 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.480 of it is you get to know Zachary the quality 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.720 of person, and that's always important that I think to 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.280 be able to hit what we want to hit and 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.000 share our story and share who I am, you need 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.520 to find somebody that understands, you know, the things that 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.640 make me take and the things that make me go. 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:59.720 And Zachary is that quality of person as well with 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:04.000 his optimism, his positivity, you know, his perspective on life, 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:07.400 his faith, all of those different things playing into it. 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:09.920 And so we did get a chance, and we've gotten 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:11.920 a chance, you know, through this process to get to 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.120 know each other fairly well. And that has been a 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.760 fun process. And it's fun to know that you've got 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:21.000 somebody playing you that really represents what you're all about. 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.080 And then the last pieces, I think he did a 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.240 great job. I think he did a really really good 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.920 job of playing me and understanding the essence of what 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.240 we're trying to get. So I think we hit a 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.640 home run as well. I mean, I got a superhero 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:35.520 playing me. Is it getting me better than that? I 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.199 can always tell my kids, right, it took a superhero 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.840 to play me in my movie, but it really has been. 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.600 I think it was a great choice from from so 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.760 many different perspectives. I'm glad that you're happy, because imagine 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.720 if you had somebody you're like, what they cast this 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.120 dude who happens to be like five six and one 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.199 hundred and thirty pounds, you can't throw a ball or 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.280 as a jerk or whatever. So I'm glad you're happy 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.199 with a choice. What about Annipaq. I've watched The Irishman, 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:02.839 I think now three times. I don't know if you've 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.640 seen it, but it's awesome. It's three and a half hours, 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:07.839 but it's awesome. But Anna pack One plays Robert de 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.160 Niro's daughter in the movie. She doesn't say anything the 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:15.080 whole movie until the end. It's really well done. And 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.479 she plays Brenda. Have you had a chance to communicate 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:19.640 with her at all? What did you think of the 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.360 selection of Anna Paquin to play your wife? Brenda and 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.040 Anna have had a lot more conversation, you know, as 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:27.800 started the process, she reached out and so they've built 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:30.760 a nice friendship. Obviously through the process. I've gotten to 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.080 know Anna a little bit, not as much as Brenda, 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:38.679 but I think again, knowing who she is off the 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:42.840 screen is what excites you, because they are very similar 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.160 in a lot of ways. They're both very strong. They 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.439 both have that edge to them. They're not going to 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:52.480 get pushed around, and you know, it's it's that strength 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.640 that always drew me to Brenda, and Anna definitely has 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.679 that as well, and so those things are fun when 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.319 you go, ah, she's got that, so it's going to 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:05.480 be easy for her to portray some of that on 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.040 the screen, and so I thought Anna did a great 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.440 job as well. I think a lot of you know, 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.040 the casting in this movie. We've got some great stars, 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.480 We've got some great people, and they did a great 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:17.839 job in their roles. And so, you know, that's kind 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:19.880 of the unique thing when you watch it because I 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.920 was only on set for maybe six or seven days total, 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:25.120 so you see bits and pieces and you don't know 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:26.559 how it's going to play out. So when you actually 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.000 see it on the big screen, you're like, oh my gosh, 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.719 he's awesome or she's awesome, and you played a perfect role. 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.559 And so again, that's the fun part of it is 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.520 that you see all these different storylines coming together, and 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.920 the casting was really great for that. You're still working 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:45.240 for NFL Network, and I go back to when you're 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.600 thinking about retirement. You're playing with the Cardinals and you said, hey, 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.040 you and I were friends, and you said, can you 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.360 help me get started and broadcasting and kind of showing 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:55.760 me the rope. So I come up to your house 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:57.760 and show you how to put together a board, and 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.400 we call some games off to television. But part of 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.800 the right of passage for me to be able to 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.080 do this with you was to go play basketball with 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.599 you at the Why. And the first thing is like, 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:09.280 I'm like, hey, I'm gonna go play basketball with Kurt, 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:10.599 like I us hope he doesn't get hurt. If he 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:14.640 gets hurt, like I wasn't there. And the other thing 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.080 was you put a mouth guard in. I'm like, Okay, 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.840 this dude's serious. Like I knew he's competitive about football 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:21.280 and now he wants to talk about broadcasting, but now 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.640 we're gonna play basketball. First of all, you're really good player, 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:25.240 and I wasn't very good at played a couple of 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:29.000 years in high school. But your competitiveness is what stood 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.680 out to me. We're playing at the Why, I'm like, 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:34.240 these guys might be out and be like it's Kurt Warn, 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:35.760 I'm gonna try hurt him. I'm gonna try to take 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:39.440 him out, but you kept scoring on they couldn't touch him. Well. 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.559 I mean, that's the funny thing is that a lot 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.280 of people when they watched me in between the lines 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:47.559 on the football field, they never saw that piece. Because 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.480 when you're in that type of leadership role, it's like, okay, 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:52.640 you don't ever let him see sweat, you know, there's 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.400 a competitiveness that drove me. Obviously, you don't get to 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.520 this point without being competitive, but you didn't see it 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.520 very often. I tried to make sure that you saw 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:03.760 it when you needed with Todd Haley saw it well, yeah, 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.160 I mean at times, but it was just I was 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.440 much more reserved on the football field. And so a 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.000 lot of people are surprised when they see me in 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.480 other environments and they're like, holy cow, I mean and 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:17.960 you know, I've always just kind of taken their approach 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.040 that I don't do a lot of things. I don't 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.040 have a lot of hobbies, but everything I do, I 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:23.920 want to be great at it. So it doesn't matter 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.680 if I'm playing pickup basketball now, it doesn't matter if 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:28.840 I'm fifty years old. I want to play and I 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:30.400 want to compete, and I want to get guys that 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.640 are younger than me that are going to push me. Um, 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.160 because that's something that drives me. And it's funny because 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.160 you say that, because my wife will we have a 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.840 little gym at the house now, so, um, my wife 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.480 will walk in and she'll see that intensity and the 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.240 competitiveness going on, and when I'm done, she's like, why 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.480 do you even play? Do you do? You even have 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.680 fun playing? And I have to tell her, and you 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:52.480 might be able to relate to this, it's just that 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:56.480 it's not ha ha, Yeah, it's fun to me. Fun 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.120 is being able to compete against someone and having that 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:02.280 opportunity in a moment to react to what that guy's 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.520 doing and see if I can outthink them or outplay them. 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.160 And that's fun to me. And my wife doesn't quite 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.360 understand that. She thinks fun should be just laughing and 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.120 giggling and having a good time. It's a different kind 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:15.440 of fun, but it is something that I've tried to 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:19.360 apply to everything, even as I've got into broadcasting. It's like, Okay, 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.400 how can I be different? How can I bring something 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:23.600 unique to the table, and how can I be great 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.880 at this? Because when you retire, and when we had 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:30.360 that conversation, I'm thinking, I've spent my whole life playing football. 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:32.400 I don't know if there's anything else I can do. 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.960 I don't know if I can be good at anything else. 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.160 And so that's a whole new challenge when you enter 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.280 retirement and you decide to go down a different path. 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:42.880 But it's been a great challenge and that's I think 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.440 one of the things that helps you from being Brett 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.960 Farve and coming back every other year is you dive 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.240 into something else and go, Okay, here's a new challenge 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:52.960 in a new way, and you can sink your teeth 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:54.880 into it, and you try to apply a lot of 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.080 the things that you applied when you were playing to 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.520 off the field kind of ventures. You do studio and games, 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:04.840 and I've worked with so many different coaches, former players, 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.800 and everybody that I do a game with, they always 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.560 say the games are better because it feels like you're 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.840 part of it. Those competitive juices flow. There's a rush 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.720 when you're calling a game. And I don't know when 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:20.240 you and I were talking twelve years ago and you 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:21.920 and I were going through it, if that's something you 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:23.720 thought about. But now that you've had a chance to 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.160 call games, do you feel that Do you feel like 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.880 you're still kind of a part of it when you're 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:31.240 in that environment as opposed to just being in a 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.320 studio because you're doing TV games and then you do 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.640 you know, Monday night football. For West would want the 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.680 best part of playing the game and playing live sports 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:43.240 is having to react to what happens in front of 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.440 you can I react in three or four seconds to 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:48.440 what the defense is thrown at me and what our 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.160 play is and get the ball into the right guy's 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.040 hands and do all of that stuff. Now, when you're 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.240 calling games, obviously you get a little more than three 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.520 or four seconds. But that, to me is the part 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:00.560 that I love. If I go into the studio, which 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:02.560 I love my studio gig and we have a blast, 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.119 but they're telling me the topics the day before and 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.080 I get a chance to do research and think about 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:08.640 it and all that stuff, and it's great. I mean, 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.120 we have a great time and it's a fun challenge. 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.440 But you know, in the moment, if you're the play 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:17.680 by play guy and something huge happens, you've got two 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.160 seconds to figure out how you're going to call this 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:22.920 with your excitement. As a color guy, you know, I 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.320 got thirty seconds to be able to break down everything 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.040 I saw on that play. And so that's what I 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.240 love so much about calling games is I have to react, 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.320 you know, And that's the dynamic that I always loved, 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:38.440 and playing was the reaction piece. And so you'll never 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:40.800 find anything that's quite like playing, you know, in a 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.400 Super Bowl and playing at the highest level. But that's 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.119 why to me, it's the next best thing is calling games, 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:48.920 because I do I have to see something, i gotta 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:50.760 put it all in there, and then I've got to 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.320 regurgitate it to somebody that may not know what I 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.920 know and make it make sense to them and make 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.520 myself sound smart and all of that good stuff, which 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.760 is what I love about games. On top of you're 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.520 in the environment, sure, you're with the fans. All of 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.560 those things that add pieces to the puzzle that you 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.560 know are better than just you know, going into a 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.439 cold studio with your three or four guys. The energy 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:15.040 is always so much better at calling a game. So 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:18.480 we had that when you were here with the Cardinals, 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:21.400 that period of time when you were thinking about broadcasting 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.000 the year before that, the Super Bowl year. And we're 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.560 going to get into all the details of actually what 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.000 happened and playing, but I do want to talk about 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.240 our relationship a little bit because I'm curious a couple 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:34.439 of things. You started coming over to our house for 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:36.680 a Bible study. We had about twenty or thirty guys 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:38.640 over at the house. I think Jeremy Urban came and 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.720 maybe a couple other guys, but you came over, and 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.040 I remember one time you had had a meeting with 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.840 then President Barack Obama, and so you were a little 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.080 late and there was a new guy there, one of 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:52.160 my neighbors, and I think we met for like two 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:55.560 hours that night, and shockingly, you talked a lot during 0:18:55.560 --> 0:19:00.240 those two and it was funny because afterwards, my neighbor said, man, 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.520 who was that dude? I swear I've seen that guy 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.920 before him, Like, that was Kurt Warner? You got, I'm 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:07.800 sitting next to Kurt Warner for two hours. I had 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:09.800 no idea it was him. And he's talking about this 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.719 meeting with Barack Obama, and I had no idea, Like, 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:16.680 who's this dude? Do you remember what? You forget the Bible? Say? 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:18.800 What did you say to Barack Obama? Do you remember that? 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.440 You know? I actually had a couple interactions with him, 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.600 you know. The first one was after the super Bowl. 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.840 I remember, you know, talking to Mark Dalton as I 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:29.480 was coming home and I was driving on the interstate 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.920 and got a call from Mark saying, Hey, you're gonna 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:33.840 get a call in a couple of minutes from you know, 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:37.160