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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Welcome to the first ever Dave Pash podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, ESPN announcer and twenty year voice of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, Dave Pash. It's been a long time

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Speaker 1: since I have done something like this. As I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: I've been with the Arizona Cardinals for two decades. My

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Speaker 1: first year was in two thousand and two. Shortly after

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Speaker 1: I took the job with the Cardinals, I started working

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Speaker 1: for ESPN. So during that time, I've done games, and

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Speaker 1: that's all I've done on television and radio, and I

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Speaker 1: love doing games. I would never quit my day job.

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Speaker 1: It's my passion, it's what I do best. But I

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Speaker 1: also loved talking all sports and interviewing guests especially it

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Speaker 1: takes me back to some of my years prior to

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Speaker 1: coming to the Cardinals. I graduated in nineteen ninety four

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Speaker 1: from Syracuse. I worked in Morgantown, West Virginia, for ten months,

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Speaker 1: then moved to Detroit, working for an all sports radio

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Speaker 1: station there for two years, and then worked for two

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Speaker 1: years in Chicago, and part of my duties there was

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Speaker 1: hosting a nightly radio talk show on WMAQ six seventy am.

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Speaker 1: During the last dance the final run for the Chicago Bulls.

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Speaker 1: So when the Cardinals and I came up with this

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Speaker 1: idea for a podcast, since there were so many podcasts

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Speaker 1: out there, big reason we thought this could be unique

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Speaker 1: was because of the guests. So we're going to have

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Speaker 1: on guests from all walks of life, former and current players, coaches,

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Speaker 1: broadcasters from a variety of sports talking Cardinals, NFL, and

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Speaker 1: much more. Of course, the priority at the Dave Pash

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Speaker 1: Podcast was making sure that the first edition had on

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Speaker 1: an incredible guest. I couldn't think of a better way

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Speaker 1: to kick it off than with Hall of Famer Kurt

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Speaker 1: Warner coming up. Kurt's going to talk about his days

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Speaker 1: with the Cardinals, his proudest moment as an NFL quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and who he confided in about his retirement during his

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Speaker 1: final season in the NFL. Some stories that maybe you

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Speaker 1: haven't heard before. What did Kurt say to the team

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Speaker 1: at halftime Super Bowl forty three after the interception by

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Speaker 1: James Harrison? What did Kurt tell Larry Fitzgerald the very

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Speaker 1: first time they spent time with one another. Kurt will

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Speaker 1: give his opinion on whether he thinks Larry is done

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Speaker 1: or if he'll play football again in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: I got to know Kurt when he was a player

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Speaker 1: with the Cardinals. We're going to talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about our relationship, like the time I played basketball with

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Speaker 1: Kurt at the YMCA and what he did that had

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Speaker 1: me amazed, Also helping Kurt prepare for life after football,

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Speaker 1: which turned out to be as a broadcaster, and what

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Speaker 1: he told me outside the Cardinals locker room just moments

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Speaker 1: after the Super Bowl loss to the Steelers that left

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Speaker 1: me absolutely speechless. We'll discuss American Underdog, the Kurt Warner's story,

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Speaker 1: Kurt's new movie, which comes out in December, and why

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Speaker 1: what wasn't in the movie might actually be the greater story.

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Speaker 1: Without further ado, let's get you to the interview. Here

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Speaker 1: is Hall of Famer Kurt Warner on the first edition

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Speaker 1: of the Dave Pass Podcast. Kurt, I've got so many

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Speaker 1: things I want to talk to you, talk with you

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Speaker 1: about today. Man. I know you got work to do,

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Speaker 1: so I won't keep you too long, but I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you doing this. It's the first time I've ever

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Speaker 1: done a podcast. The last time I did any sort

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Speaker 1: of talk show was in Chicago in nineteen ninety seven

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Speaker 1: ninety eight, when I was just coming out of college,

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Speaker 1: I remember all we did was talking about Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 1: But all we're gonna do right now is talk about

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Speaker 1: Kurt Warner and the life. You weren't talking about arena

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Speaker 1: football then, because that's where I was back in nineteen

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Speaker 1: and then you became a movie star, and here we

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Speaker 1: are talking about American Underdog, the Kurt Warner Story. So

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Speaker 1: it's going to be released December tenth. And I remember

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Speaker 1: talking to you a few years ago and you told me, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be doing this movie. How did it come about?

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Speaker 1: Who approached you? And at first were you hesitant or

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Speaker 1: You're like, this is great, let's do it. I think

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Speaker 1: when you look at other movies that are out there

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Speaker 1: if those are made into a movie, this one probably

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Speaker 1: entirety of the journey, it's probably greater than any of

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Speaker 1: different things, and Brendan I always said that, yeah, it

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Speaker 1: movie about your life, but we're not interested in just

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Speaker 1: we want to make sure it's done right. And so

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Speaker 1: just funny how God works and the journey and sometimes

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Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, why is it taken so long? I

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Speaker 1: said that with my career at times, we've said that

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Speaker 1: with the movie, and now I'm not sure there could

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Speaker 1: my underdog story throughout this movie will be a number

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Speaker 1: of underdog stories tied into where we are, you know,

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Speaker 1: a long time, like Okay, what's next? How do I

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Speaker 1: So it's just kind of amazing that I think it's

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the finished product and is it really

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Speaker 1: the Kurt Warner story. We're not finished yet, Okay. We

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Speaker 1: did actually just see us screening about a week ago,

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Speaker 1: all of that stuff. So we saw the first rendition

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Speaker 1: think the interesting thing about our story is there's there's

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Speaker 1: You don't have to you know, design a whole lot

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Speaker 1: There's just a lot of really really good moments, and

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Speaker 1: to tell the whole story. And so so far, the

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Speaker 1: But we're excited about where the movie is right now

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Speaker 1: My kids absolutely love Zachary Levi. They love him from

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Speaker 1: So when and my kids know you, they absolutely love

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Speaker 1: Levi was playing you, they were psyched, Like you couldn't

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Speaker 1: did you think of the choice And how much time

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Speaker 1: have you spent with Zachary talking about you? You know,

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Speaker 1: it's funny when you think about these roles. Initially it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: so there's definitely that resemblance. There's times even when you

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Speaker 1: to find somebody that understands, you know, the things that

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Speaker 1: And Zachary is that quality of person as well with

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Speaker 1: And so we did get a chance, and we've gotten

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Speaker 1: And then the last pieces, I think he did a

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Speaker 1: I think it was a great choice from from so

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Speaker 1: many different perspectives. I'm glad that you're happy, because imagine

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Speaker 1: if you had somebody you're like, what they cast this

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Speaker 1: after the Super Bowl, and you know, it was kind

430
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 1: of nice to be able to follow him and know

431
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,160
Speaker 1: what the heart of the man was all about. Look,

432
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,959
Speaker 1: I've always appreciated your faith, how willing you've been to

433
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 1: talk about your faith, and how positive you always are.

434
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 1: I'll never get this moment after we lose the Super Bowl,

435
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 1: coming down the elevator from the press box. And for me,

436
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 1: you know, because I work at ESPN, I'm doing so

437
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 1: many national games, Like for me, this is a labor

438
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 1: of love. It's a chance to root for a team.

439
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 1: This is my team. Is my twentieth year doing this.

440
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 1: I love doing the Cardinal games because I get to

441
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 1: be a fan. So I was distraught, furious after the

442
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I'm coming down the elevator, I'm walking through

443
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 1: the tunnel in Tampa. And I've always kind of had

444
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 1: this rule. I don't know if anybody else has or

445
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: it's just me, like after a loss, don't look at

446
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: the players, like, just walk straight ahead, keep your eyes down.

447
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 1: I did it one time when Emma Smith before you

448
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 1: got here, when we returned to Dallas, and Roy Williams

449
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 1: lit him up and he separated his shoulder, so I

450
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 1: had to look as we were going on the plane,

451
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 1: and Emma was like dead asleep. I don't know if

452
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,160
Speaker 1: he's really asleep or he just didn't want anybody bothering him.

453
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 1: The other time was you after the Super Bowl. I'm

454
00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 1: walking through the tunnel and I'm like, okay, I think

455
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 1: I see Kurt out of the corner of my eye

456
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: outside the locker room. I'm like, don't look at Kurt,

457
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: like they just lost the Super Bowl. He's probably furious.

458
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 1: Just don't look. So I kind of looked out of

459
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: the corner of my eye and did a double take

460
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 1: and looked again, and you were smiling. So I figure, okay,

461
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 1: he's looking at me and he's got a smile on

462
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 1: his face. I guess I should engage. I came over

463
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: to and I'll never forget. You said it was so

464
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 1: amazing the things that God did with our team this year,

465
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 1: and you also talked about I felt like, you know,

466
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 1: I did everything that I could this year, and you

467
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 1: had such a positive attitude at a time where I'm

468
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 1: sure most people, including me at the time and I

469
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: didn't even play in the game, were still in shock

470
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: over what had just happened. As you look back, do

471
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 1: you still have that same view of that year, or

472
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 1: are there things about that gamer, about that season that

473
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: you still play over and over in your mind of Man,

474
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 1: I wish I would have done this differently. I think

475
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: you always have that. You know, when you don't get

476
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: the end result that you want, you're always going to

477
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: think and relive things. And obviously, now that I'm in

478
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: the media and cover the Super Bowl every year, they

479
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: forced me to have to think about some of those

480
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: things you know each and every year. But here's the

481
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: thing is that, unfortunately, in our culture and in our sport,

482
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 1: we've come to the point where we feel like you

483
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: can only win if you have more points on the scoreboard.

484
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: And something that I've learned in life is that you

485
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: can win when you lose. And that, to me, was

486
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: what that journey was all about for me and for

487
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: that team. Was what we accomplished that year and where

488
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: we were when I got here, and the mindset of

489
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: everybody in the locker room and the organization, and there

490
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 1: was no belief, There was no hope, and we could

491
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: have said whatever we want it. There was nobody that

492
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 1: believed we would ever have success even as we were

493
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: going through that journey, and we were the worst playoff

494
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: team in the history. You know, people talking about things

495
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: like that, and to watch a group of guys come

496
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: together and start to believe that they can do something

497
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: that a short period of time before they never believed

498
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: and to watch that run and to watch us get there,

499
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: and again going into halftime, everybody in the locker room

500
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: we're saying, oh, we got no chance. Kurt just lost

501
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl for us. Game over, blah blah blah.

502
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: Here we are two and a half minutes to go.

503
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: We take the lead in the Super Bowl, and now

504
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: everybody once again are going, see, we've got a team

505
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: that can win the Super Bowl. We got a team

506
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: that can do anything we want to do and accomplish

507
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: anything we set our mind to. And again it doesn't

508
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: work out that way because we've got some great players

509
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: on the other side that make great plays, and they

510
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl. You tip your hat and you

511
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: say well done to them. That's what the super Bowl

512
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: is all about. But we won that year. I won

513
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: that year, And you know, I think that is a

514
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: great message that we lose sight of way too often,

515
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: is that win doesn't have to be having more points

516
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: on the scoreboard. That team and what was accomplished and

517
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: this organization, this organization is on a different trajectory now

518
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: because of what we accomplished that year or those three years,

519
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: and what we did when we were going good. And that,

520
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: to me is what life is all about. Because unfortunately

521
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: we don't all end up on the top of the

522
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: mountain when it's all said and done, But that doesn't

523
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: mean we didn't get close, or we didn't go way

524
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: beyond what we thought we could, or we didn't accomplish

525
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: what we set out to accomplish. And that, to me

526
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: is what I think about with that story. And you know,

527
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: we talked about the movie earlier, and you know, you

528
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: got the first chapter where we win the Super Bowl,

529
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: and it's kind of how everybody expects the movie to end.

530
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: And I, you know, I have a lot of people

531
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: that always come up to me and go, man, I

532
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: think the second half, the second chapter might even be better.

533
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: And I think, what a great movie that would be

534
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: where in the end, you don't win the game, but

535
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: you still win. And the message that that shares with

536
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: people because we do we beat ourselves up because I

537
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't have any you know, enough points on the scoreboard.

538
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: But there was you know, there was a time in

539
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: that game where everybody in the world said, the Arizona

540
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: Cardinals are going to be Super Bowl champions. I mean,

541
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: has it ever been uttered before? No, And nobody in

542
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: that locker room ever believed it. So that to me

543
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: was what that journey was all about. And that was

544
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: the lesson that I learned along the journey is that, man,

545
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 1: there's different ways to win in life, and we need

546
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: to make sure that we keep the proper perspective on that.

547
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. When Larry is running into the end zone,

548
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: it was towards us where our booth was. We had

549
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: a weird angle. It was kind of in the corner

550
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: about the ten yard line. Larry's running into the end zone,

551
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: looking up at the scoreboard. They're playing the music that

552
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: we play at the stadium when the Cardinals score, and

553
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: we're going nuts in the booth and I look over

554
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: and there's a booth right next to us. Full of

555
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: NFL people only, and they're dying, laughing and cheering. I mean,

556
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: to your point, I think that was the moment everybody said,

557
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: my goodness, the Arizona Cardinals are gonna win the Super Bowl.

558
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: And obviously it didn't end the way we all wanted

559
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: it to. I am curious what you said at halftime,

560
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: because I remember throwing my headset off, not just because

561
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: of the play, but because I screwed up the call.

562
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 1: I thought it was William Gay instead of who at

563
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: the interception? Oh my goodness, in my head out Dames Harrison,

564
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: and I remember you found out. I'm like, dude, you

565
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: mistook James Harrison for William Gay. And I think I

566
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: think I said, you mistook James Harrison Frank Jan Bolder.

567
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: But anyway, what did you say at halftime, because you

568
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: just said, guys in the locker room like, oh, here

569
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: we go, We're not gonna win. Here's the thing, I

570
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: didn't say anything. Sometimes in life, as a leader, there's

571
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: nothing to say that can convince anybody what you're trying

572
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: to convince them of. What I knew when I walked

573
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: into the locker room, I knew what everybody was thinking.

574
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: I knew, you know, the idea was, Man, we had

575
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: a chance to go ahead in the Super Bowl. Now

576
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: we're down ten points, We've got no momentum. This thing's over.

577
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: And you know, I could have given some rob Ross speech,

578
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: Oh we're gonna What I said was, as a leader,

579
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: my goal is going to be what do I do

580
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: in the first drive of the second half. They're gonna

581
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: watch me when I walk into that huddle. All eyes

582
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: will be on me, like, dude, you just blew us

583
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,239
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl? Now, what are you gonna do? And

584
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: so my job wasn't to try to motivate them then

585
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: in the locker room. My job was to go, hey, guys,

586
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: I ain't giving up. We got a chance, give me

587
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 1: the ball. We'll find a way to do this. We

588
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: got this far. I believe in you, guys. I want

589
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: you to believe in me. And so I really didn't

590
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: say anything at halftime and just knew that was going

591
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: to be my goal in the second half was to

592
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: prove to these guys, no matter what went against us

593
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: all year long, or been against us at any point

594
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: in time, we're gonna let that go and we're gonna

595
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: go play our brand of football and we're gonna show

596
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: people that we belong here. And that's exactly what we did.

597
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: And you know, it was that process that we make

598
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: a play and make a throw. And now you start

599
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: seeing guys going, oh, we're so through the interception, but

600
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: he's not given up. But he's not. He doesn't think

601
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: this thing's over. And that's when you start to get

602
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: those guys back. So leadership looks a lot of different ways,

603
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: and sometimes you got to know when to say something

604
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: and when it's more about action. Tim Hightower scored the

605
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: go ahead touchdown at State Farm Stadium to win the

606
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: NFC Championship on a pass that you threw, obviously, And

607
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: I remember him telling me, and I think you may

608
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: have told me the story as well, that he always

609
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: would look at you and say to himself, and I

610
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: think he even said it to you audibly, there's something

611
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: about you. I don't know what it is, there's just

612
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: something about you. And he said one time he just

613
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: was like walking up and down the sideline looking at you,

614
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: like there's just something about you that and I think

615
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: what he was trying to communicate was there's a reason

616
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: people follow you. And I can't quite put my finger

617
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: on it, but you make us better, And obviously you've

618
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,239
Speaker 1: realized that's a big reason why you're in the Hall

619
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: of Fame is because you get people to believe and

620
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: follow and to do things that maybe they didn't think

621
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: they were capable of. That IT factor that it's hard

622
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: to find. Not a lot of guys have that. Is

623
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: that something you had to cultivate or is that always there?

624
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: Is that one of the reasons why you went from

625
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: where you were playing an arena football to being one

626
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. It's the elusive question,

627
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: right the IT factor? Where does it come from? Who

628
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: has it? How do you get it? I don't know,

629
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: But what I think when it comes to the IT factor,

630
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of factors that go into it. Obviously,

631
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: you're good at what you do, and there's things that

632
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: you do that can be unique. But I've always believed

633
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: the IT factor and getting other guys to follow you

634
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: has as much to do with inner confidence as anything else.

635
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: And so I truly believe that I've never had a

636
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 1: confidence problem that first and foremost. But I believe my

637
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: journey when you go through the journey that I went through,

638
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: and there were so many times to go, Okay, you're

639
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: not good enough, you can't do this, it's not gonna happen,

640
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. There's so many times that you can

641
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: lose that confidence. But once you get through it, you

642
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: start saying to yourself, there is nothing that I cannot do.

643
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: There's nothing that I can accomplish, and specifically when there's

644
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: a ball in my hands, because that's where I felt

645
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: at home. I felt like that was what I was

646
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: born to do. And I believe that is what kind

647
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: of trickles off of you when guys are watching you,

648
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: and guys are seeing you and they're wondering what's different.

649
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: What's different is that I never felt like I was shaken.

650
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: Whether I was benched three times in the NFL. You know,

651
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: whether you lose a Super Bowl, you win a Super

652
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: Bowl where you working in a grocery store. I never

653
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: lost that confidence of who I was, what I was

654
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: capable of, and even like in the Super Bowl, I

655
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 1: didn't care if the other ten guys believed or not.

656
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't gonna shake me. And I'll do it by

657
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: myself if I had to do. And so, but that

658
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: was always my mindset and I think that's something when

659
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: you talk about the IT factor, and though as guys,

660
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: that's what they have is they have an inner confidence

661
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: that says, nothing will stop me from getting where I

662
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: want to go. And when other guys see that, it's like,

663
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but I'll just follow

664
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: that guy. Because that guy, you know, Tom Brady, I

665
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: think is a great example, is that you know there's

666
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: times where you go, man, I don't know if he's

667
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: playing great football, but you talk to the people in

668
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: Tampa last year, and every one of them said, when

669
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: he came in, we automatically believed. We just saw him

670
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: and we saw the way that he worked, and he

671
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: instilled something in us that was different. And I think

672
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: that's the ultimate factor when we talk about the it

673
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: It's not how hard you throw a football or how

674
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: many wow plays you can make, it's do you enter

675
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: that environment with a level of confidence that says, follow

676
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: me and we'll go where we want to go if

677
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: you just believe along with me. And I just I

678
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: think that was what I had. And whether it was

679
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: partly in eight, partly because of the journey, or you know,

680
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: some you know ratio out side of that, I do

681
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: believe the journey had a big part of being able

682
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: to shape that. So, man, I you know, I remember

683
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: you probably remember when we opened this building. Um, you know,

684
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: third game of the year, I got booed out of

685
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: the stadium, you know, I got benched after that, and

686
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: I running off the first time in my life I

687
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: had run out of a stadium getting booed, you know,

688
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: and that, you know, that's shocking for anybody, I think,

689
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: especially when I had had success and you believe that

690
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: you still can play at a level. And uh and

691
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 1: I remember running out of here going my gosh, you know,

692
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: how do we get to this point? M so, But

693
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: you have moments like that, And never once did I

694
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: go they just don't see it, you know, they just

695
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: don't know. And I never held it against the fans

696
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: because I understood what was happening on the field. I

697
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: understood what the their perception was. But I never let

698
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: that become My perception is like they're just missing it.

699
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: You know, we'll be back and we'll have another shot

700
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: and we'll show them that, you know, because when I

701
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: came here, a lot of people had best years are

702
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 1: behind him. You can't really anymore. And this is just

703
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: you know, validation of that. For me, I always knew

704
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: what was inside there, and just sometimes circumstances don't play

705
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: out exactly like you want to. But it's even in

706
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: moments like that where I just you know, for me,

707
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: it was like, all right, I get it, I understand it.

708
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: I can see it from a realistic standpoint, but it

709
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: never once made me waver in what I could be

710
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: or what was inside of me? Was it harder to

711
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: take the Cardinals to the super Bowl as a proven player,

712
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: albeit a proven player who as you just said, people

713
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: started a question, will he you know? Was it a

714
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: flash in the pan with the Rams? Because it didn't

715
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: end well there and then things didn't go great in

716
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: New York and you just talked about how things started

717
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: here with the Cardinals. Was it harder to take the

718
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: Cardinals to the super Bowl as a proven guy yet doubted?

719
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: Or was it harder to take the Rams as a

720
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: guy that nobody knew about or you don't know what

721
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: you don't know? Yeah, I mean it was definitely harder

722
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: to take the Cardinals where we went. To me, it

723
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: was as much about mindset where this organization was, what

724
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: the lack of belief was when when I got here,

725
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: not just in me but within the organization as much

726
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: as anything. So that struggle to change perception was a

727
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: lot harder, you know, obviously there was you know, there

728
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: were some things when I first came on the scene,

729
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: and all of those questions and living up to a

730
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: certain expectation of playing that was hard. But I was

731
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: I was surrounded by great talent. I had guys around

732
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: me that that carried me, you know, or could carry

733
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: me at any point in time. And as you said,

734
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: at that time, I didn't know what I didn't know,

735
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: you know. I That's the funny thing is when people

736
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: look back at my journey and they talk about the story, right,

737
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: the things they hang on to Dave or a He

738
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: sat on the bench for four years in college, and

739
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: then he went to Green Bay, and he got cut

740
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: after a couple of weeks in Green Bay, and he

741
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: worked in a grocery store, and then arena football in

742
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: Europe and all this negative stuff. And what I always

743
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: tell people is the ironic thing is that all I

744
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: remembered about my journey was, Oh, I got to play

745
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: one year in college. I was the player of the

746
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 1: year in our conference. I got to play three years

747
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: in arena football, and I was in the championship game

748
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 1: two of those three years and was the best player

749
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: in the league all three years. The same happened in Europe.

750
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: So when everybody else is looking at the things that

751
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: I had an accomplished or the things that went against me,

752
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: I was always going, oh, but wait, when the ball

753
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: was in my hands, I've never not been successful. So

754
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: when I got there, it was like, oh, this is

755
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: just football. Like it's oh, yeah, it's the NFL. I

756
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: get it, and you know this might be my last chance. Yeah,

757
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: but I got a football in my hand. I got

758
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: a football in my hands. I will play good football

759
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: and we'll do what we do. I mean, I remember

760
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: even that first year where we're kind of setting the

761
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: league on fire, and I remember thinking myself, why are

762
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: we planning three times a game? Because I'm coming from

763
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: the arena league, where you don't punt, you score every

764
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: time you touch it. And so that was my expectation

765
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: that nobody else realizes because all they see is, oh

766
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: my god, this guy's coming from a grocery store and

767
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: he's in the NFL. How is this even possible? My

768
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: mindset was completely different. It was much harder when I

769
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: got here to Arizona A, because not only did I

770
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: have to change the perception within an organization of what

771
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: they could accomplish, I had to change people's perception about me.

772
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: Sure is that, yeah, they knew I was good way

773
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: back when, but when I got here, I mean, you

774
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: can talk to Todd Haley and I mean they just

775
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: felt his best years are behind him. He can't He's

776
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: not that same guy anymore. So when I was coming

777
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: in here, it was kind of like, oh, he's a

778
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: seat filler until we get the next guy. And so

779
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: a big part of this process was also convincing everybody

780
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: just give me a shot here, like I can still

781
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: play if you give me that opportunity and you allow

782
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: me to showcase what I'm capable of doing, and we

783
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: build an offense around what I'm capable of doing, I

784
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: can still play really good football. So having to do

785
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: both of those things and again you get benched and

786
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: now it's like, Okay, I get it, I understand why.

787
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: But I got to convince these guys again that we

788
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: can be better and collectively and me personally can be

789
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: better and we can do some things here. That was

790
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: the hard part of the process. When you talk about

791
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: changing perception or changing culture, that is much harder. Um,

792
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, doing what we did in Saint Louis wasn't easy.

793
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: I mean what we did for three years and what

794
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: we accomplished, and you know the expectations that were there.

795
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: You know, there were some challenges in that, but there

796
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: was nothing like coming here and having to change this

797
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: culture and perception from both of those standpoints. That that

798
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. You know, people always

799
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: asking me, you know what parts of your career, what

800
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: was the best time of your career, what are you

801
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: most proud of in your career? And without a doubt,

802
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: what I'm most proud of is what we accomplish here

803
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: and where I left the organization compared to where it

804
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: was when I got here is probably thing in my

805
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: career that I'm most proud of. And yes, I won

806
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and that was great, and the MVP

807
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: and all of that. I'm very proud of the things,

808
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: especially in the first year. Yes, but there's something different

809
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: because we talk about leadership and you talk about legacy.

810
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: There's something different when you go and you change a

811
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: perception of an organization and you change the perception that

812
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: a person has about themselves. There's something powerful in that,

813
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, it's probably what

814
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm most proud of in my career. Just two more

815
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: questions on you and then we'll get into the twenty

816
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: twenty one season. There was a fateful night in two

817
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: thousand and three. It was the last day of the

818
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: regular season and Josh McCown, who is the quarterback for

819
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, throws a pass that's caught by Nate Pool

820
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: for a touchdown to win the game in the regular

821
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: season finale. That win knocked the Cardinals out of the

822
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: number one spot in the NFL Draft, where they would

823
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: have taken Eli Manning. Instead, they take Larry Fitzgerald because

824
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: they dropped to number three. Eli Manning goes to New York.

825
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: You're in New York and obvious they had plans for Eli.

826
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: So you were just with the Giants that one year.

827
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: Then you come to Arizona and it's year two for

828
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald. Larry was twenty years old when he came

829
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: into the NFL. He had incredible talent, but he was young.

830
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: He has said many times, Look, I needed to mature,

831
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: I needed to grow. How did your relationship impact him,

832
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: do you think and when did you know that Larry

833
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 1: could be elite? Well, I don't think it was hard

834
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: to see when you first got here and you see

835
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: Larry on the field that he's got the ability to

836
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: be elite. You know. It's funny that one of my

837
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: favorite stories about Larry goes back to really the first

838
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: weekend that I was here in Arizona and we were practicing,

839
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: and I invited some of the guys over for dinner,

840
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 1: just to kind of get to know guys and connect

841
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: with them a little bit, and Larry came over. And

842
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: I remember when we were sitting down for dinner and

843
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: my wife she said, just promise me no football talk,

844
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: all right, We're just here to get to know the guy.

845
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk football. My wife's not a

846
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: big football fan, so she just wanted to kind of

847
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: get to know everybody. And so Larry came over and

848
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle of the dinner, there was just

849
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: something that happened in practice that was kind of, you know,

850
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: on my mind because I kept looking and talking to him,

851
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: and so at some point I was just like, hey,

852
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: Larry in practice today, And of course my wife kicks

853
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: me under the table, like, come on, we're not going here.

854
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: But you know, I just told him about something that

855
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: practiced and I'm like, man, if if you just do this, man,

856
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: you were going to be unstoppable on that route. And

857
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: I remember Larry kind of looking back at me, and

858
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: you know, that kind of a smile on his face

859
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: and you gave me this look and he's like, okay, Kurt.

860
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: But you know, I think that the mindset was kind

861
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: of simply I'm the last person you need to worry about.

862
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: And he mentioned in the in the conversation, he's like,

863
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm good enough right now. And again, I

864
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: think the idea was not in arrogance, but simply when

865
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: you're looking at the rest of the guys, you know,

866
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: I'm probably not where you need to start in terms

867
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: of what we're trying to build here. And I remember

868
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: looking back at him and I'm like, Larry, at the

869
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: end of the day, do you just want to be

870
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: good enough? And we just kind of left it there.

871
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: So you know, as we progress and as we see

872
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: things and as we build our relationship, you know, you

873
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: watch Larry and you watch him start growing, and you

874
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: watch him start evolving, and you're watching the work that

875
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: he's doing, and when you talk to him and you

876
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,479
Speaker 1: have a conversation, he was always willing to apply those

877
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: things on the field to become great. And you just

878
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: watch the ascension of Larry Fitzgerald to one of the

879
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: greatest players that the league has ever seen, and I'll

880
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: never forget. Fast forward to two thousand and nine. So

881
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: Larry was my closest friend on the team, so he

882
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: knew before anybody else that I was going to retire.

883
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: I had told him, we had talked about it throughout

884
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: the middle of the season that I was going to

885
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 1: be done. And I can't remember where we were going,

886
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: but we had gotten on a jet together and had

887
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: a conversation and I remember him looking at me and

888
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: he goes, Kurt, you remember that conversation we had, you know,

889
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: that first weekend that you were in town. And I'm like,

890
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: of course, I remember, he goes, I just want you

891
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: to know that I never forgot that conversation and that

892
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: idea that from that point forward, I never wanted to

893
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: just look at things as being good enough. I wanted

894
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: to be the best. And that to me speaks to

895
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: who Larry Fitzgerald is is that he was one of

896
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: our best players. He would have been one of our

897
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: best players through the length of his career without a doubt,

898
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: because of his talent level, the kind of young man

899
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: he was. But you know, I mean, you know, Larry,

900
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: he's kind of ahead of his years. He was more

901
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: mature than most guys that come in at his age,

902
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: and he made that commitment very early on from that

903
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: one conversation to go, Okay, I see what kurtse trying

904
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: to say here. He sees in me something special. Now

905
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: I need to tap into it and be great. And

906
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: we've seen that throughout his career, and I think one

907
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 1: of the greatest examples of that was when Bruce arians

908
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: came here. When I was here, we tried to move

909
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: Larry inside numerous times, and Larry was just like, I'm

910
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: not having it. I'm good out here, I'm comfortable out here.

911
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: I don't have to think as much. Just let me

912
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: be me out here, and we tried, and we just

913
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: could not get him to buy in. Then obviously Bruce

914
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: comes in, and I don't think Bruce really gave him

915
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 1: a choice, but I remember talking to him numerous times

916
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: through that sequence and He's like, gosh, I hate it

917
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: in here. It's fast. I'm not comfortable. I don't like it,

918
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to be here playing inside.

919
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: But to his credit, he bought in, and he bought

920
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: in and he became a blocker, and he started to

921
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: understand the inside, and maybe statistically from a catchstandpoint, he

922
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: has his greatest year with Bruce Arians when he's inside

923
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: catching a hundred passes, and talk to him just a

924
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and I remember him going and

925
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: they're using me outside too much. You know that he

926
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: got so comfortable back inside. But to his credit that

927
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: he had the ability to evolve and work to be

928
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: great no matter what his role was. And those are

929
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: the things that I'll remember on why Larry Fitzgerald is

930
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: one of the greatest that we've ever seen. It's not

931
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: because of those great spectacular catches we saw back in

932
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: seven and eight and oh nine. It's because of his

933
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: ability and his work ethic to go. I'm not satisfied.

934
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: What is it? You know, I remember a time that

935
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: Todd Haley challenged him to be a better blocker downfield.

936
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: You know a lot of times it was catch, get

937
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: down or to run after catch, and every time somebody

938
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: challenged him, he goes, Okay, let me show you I

939
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 1: can do this. I can do that. But all those

940
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: things and that mindset of his is really what's catapulted

941
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: him to the place where you know, he's a legend

942
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 1: of the game. He's one of the greatest that we've

943
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: ever seen. And I think all the way back to

944
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: that conversation and how that stuck with him and that

945
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: imparted something on him that he wanted to be great.

946
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: When I talked to Larry or text with Larry, I

947
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: don't talk football with him, usually asking about the sons

948
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: or other things, in part because I know he doesn't

949
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: want to be asked about retirement. And my gut, and

950
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: I've said this from the middle of last year, as

951
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: I think he's done, I would be surprised if he

952
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: plays again. Are you in the same boat, would you

953
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: be surprised if we see Larry on a football field again.

954
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: I won't say I'll be surprised with it playing out

955
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: as long as it has. I think there's there's a

956
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: little part of me that goes, why would it play

957
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: out this long? If he didn't, If he isn't thinking

958
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: possibly about coming back and looking at the roster and

959
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: looking at what they've built here, because the only thing

960
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: that he's playing for anymore is to win a championship.

961
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: Is that, you know. I've texted him numerous times and

962
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: just man, I'm sorry I didn't get you that championship

963
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: because his greatness has been so great that I just

964
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: feel like it needs to be anchored with a championship.

965
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: And I know, you know, although that will not define him,

966
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: and you know, and he's much bigger than that, I

967
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: know he still wants that, and you know, it's one

968
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: of the reasons he's talked about retirement with me for

969
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: the last three or four years. I don't know, we'll see,

970
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: you know. Can I be an integral part of what

971
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: we're doing? But most important, does this team have a

972
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: chance to compete? And I really feel like this team

973
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: is in a position with the guys they brought in,

974
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: assuming they play up to their potential and stay healthy

975
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, to compete. And so that part

976
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: of me just has me thinking there may just be

977
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: one more run. But the one thing that I would

978
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: say is this isn't like Larry. If Larry was going

979
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: to come back and play, I kind of expected him

980
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: to be here day one, you know, not a guy

981
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 1: like Shoh. You guys go through the first couple of

982
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: weeks and then I'll show up in typical Larry fashion.

983
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: What I kind of believe is that, you know, he

984
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: hates the limelight and that he's going to kind of

985
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: wait for this thing to get going where thirty two

986
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: teams are practicing and there's all these new storylines, and

987
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: then he's going to sneak in and go, hey, I'm retiring,

988
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: I'm done. So nothing is about him in that situation.

989
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: So yes, everything in me says I think he is done.

990
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: But I've just been really surprised that it's played out

991
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: this long without us knowing that it just keeps kind

992
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: of that wind of opportunity open that he maybe what

993
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: you said is exactly how I felt all along, knowing

994
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: Larry that he doesn't want to talk about it. So

995
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: in the five year I mean, he's going to be

996
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame that five year clock. Whether

997
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: it starts in August or February, it doesn't matter. I've

998
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: always thought he's not going to say anything, or if

999
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: he does, it's just going to be he's going to

1000
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: drop it in some interview in the middle of November. Oh, like, yeah,

1001
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm done. Yeah, I'm done. I'm onto something else. I

1002
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: don't want to bury the lead because you just said

1003
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: something that caught my attention, and that's you think that

1004
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: this Cardinal team has a chance, would you say their

1005
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: championship caliber or is that a stretch? Where do you

1006
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: view given the division, how tough this division is, Where

1007
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: do you see the Cardinals in twenty twenty one? Well,

1008
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it all is going to start

1009
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: with Kyler? Is that you know, I've always been a

1010
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: firm believer that that position dictates whether you're a good

1011
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: team or a championship team. And there's no question that

1012
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: we've seen Kyler do some really really special stuff in

1013
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: his early career. We just haven't seen the consistency level

1014
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: yet to make me say, based on what I've seen

1015
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: the past, just by adding these pieces, they're definitely a

1016
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: championship contender. I need to see more and I need

1017
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 1: to see consistency from him, because what you know, especially

1018
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: now with the playoffs the way they are and the

1019
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: extra team in there, you got to beat some really

1020
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: really good teams week in and week out to get

1021
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: to a super Bowl. You don't fluke your way into

1022
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: a super Bowl. You know, we found our way, you know,

1023
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: stumbling through that one, we stumbled through another one. Now

1024
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: we're in the super Bowl. It doesn't happen like that.

1025
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: So that, to me is the biggest question is where

1026
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: does he go in year three? I mean, we've talked

1027
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, he was one of the front

1028
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: runners for the MVP halfway through the season last year.

1029
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: So he has been extremely productive. But I still look

1030
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: and say to me, to be a championship caliber quarterback,

1031
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: you have to be able to do it inside the

1032
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: pocket over and over and over again. Yes, you're going

1033
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: to give us some special. I get that, but I

1034
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: don't think you can win consistently with just the special.

1035
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: You got to be more consistent. So that's where I

1036
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: believe it starts. If you get that from Kyler, and

1037
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: then I saw the second piece and these guys stay healthy. Yeah,

1038
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, because AJ we know he's a great player.

1039
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: JJ been a great player. Rodney Hudson a really good

1040
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: player in this league. You know, three big signings that

1041
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: they had all have been kind of bouncing around, dealing

1042
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: with injuries, haven't been healthy. But I think if those

1043
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: guys stay healthy, you've got a collection of talent here

1044
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 1: that can compete with anybody in the league. How it meshes,

1045
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: how it comes together, all of that stuff, the quarterback play,

1046
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: of course, So I don't know, but yeah, I mean

1047
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: I look at this team and see where they were

1048
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: last year, and I say, this is a better football team,

1049
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: without a doubt, this year than they were last year.

1050
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: And so because of that, I have to believe they're

1051
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: going to Pete. You're right, division's gonna be tough. San

1052
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: Francisco is gonna be much better. Question healthy rams you

1053
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: assume they're going to be better with Matthew Stafford or

1054
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: still gonna be really really good. Seattle's always there. I mean,

1055
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: you know, we probably look at them right now and

1056
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: go they're the least exciting team, but they won the

1057
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: division last year and won twelve games. So it's a

1058
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: really really And that's when I talk about consistency, Right.

1059
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 1: You don't have a break, So you don't have two games,

1060
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: especially when you're playing in this division where you go, oh,

1061
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: if we don't play well, we can sneak a couple

1062
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: of wins here. No, you're gonna have to show up

1063
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: and play every week, and so this team could be

1064
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: better than they were last year and have a worse

1065
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: record because the other teams that they're gonna be playing

1066
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: are better in their schedules. Tough, but I do believe

1067
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: if Kyler makes that jump and you know, grows in

1068
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Speaker 1: that position at least a little bit, this team has

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Speaker 1: a chance to, without a doubt, compete for the playoffs

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Speaker 1: and possibly win the division. The offense, what do you think,

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Speaker 1: Because you talked about Kyler, but in terms of scheme offensive,

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Speaker 1: what do you think we need to see? What changes

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00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: do the Cardinals need to make for them to take

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Speaker 1: that next step and be a playoff team and be

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Speaker 1: a championship caliber club. You know, I think Cliff coach

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00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: Kingsbury is coming into his own as well. I think

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Speaker 1: part of the process over the last couple of years

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00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: is figuring out how to call plays at the NFL level.

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Speaker 1: Designing plays for success is that, you know, a lot

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Speaker 1: of the stuff that we've seen. I've seen a lot

1081
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 1: of college esque type stuff, the quick throws, the bubble screens,

1082
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: all of that stuff, which is great. You're gonna get

1083
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: yards in this league because of the rules by doing

1084
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: that and so you can put up a lot of yards,

1085
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: what really wins games for you is what you do

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00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: in the red zone, and they've kind of struggled in

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00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: the red zone outside of where Kyler becomes the dual

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00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: thread and he runs and passes. The ability to create

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00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: opportunities in the red zone and easier opportunities and better

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00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: opportunities for their offense to be consistently good down there,

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00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: I believe is going to be you know, the biggest

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00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: issue with this football team. I'm not worried about them

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00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: moving the football. I'm not worried about Kyler making a

1094
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: lot of plays. I'm not worried about him being able

1095
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: to score some touchdowns and doing the zone reads in

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00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: the red zone. But that to me is where I've

1097
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: seen the biggest questions with this team is it comes

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00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: to play design, and great design and great playmaking in

1099
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 1: the red zone is something that they've lacked and something

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00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: that I think has held them back a little bit.

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00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: So that's probably the key piece from an offensive standpoint.

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Speaker 1: Then I'm watching for from Kyler and from coach going

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00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: into this year. We started this podcast talking about the movie,

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00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: talking about your work as an analyst for NFL Network,

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00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 1: and Westwood One. But there's much more to Kurt Warners.

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00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: Everybody knows than work. Talk about ministry and charity work

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00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: that you have gone on right now before we wrap up, Well,

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00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that we're doing right now is our

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00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: passion is our Treasure House. And so Treasure House is

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00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: a community living facility for young adults with intellectual and

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00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: developmental disabilities. All based off of my son who's thirty

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00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: two now, but suffered brain injury when he was four

1113
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Speaker 1: months old, and once he kind of got through high school,

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00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 1: we always wondered what was next, what was his future,

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00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: what's his purpose? What can he accomplish? And I know

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00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of families out there with children

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00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: like like Zach that wonder what's next, what do they have,

1118
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: what kind of life, and what are the possibilities for them?

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Speaker 1: How do we dream for our child with the disabilities.

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Speaker 1: So we created Treasure House about five years ago and

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00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: it's out in Glendale, it's not too far here from

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00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: the stadium, out on seventy fifth Avenue. We just filled

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Speaker 1: up our first Treasure House. We've got a waiting list

1124
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: now and so that's kind of where our passion is

1125
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: right now is we want to make sure that every

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00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: family like ours, that has a child with challenges like ours,

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00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: has the opportunity to dream bigger and believe in the

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Speaker 1: possibilities of what life can be even amongst those challenges.

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Speaker 1: You know, we say all the time, we've got seven kids,

1130
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Speaker 1: as you know that all of our kids have disabilities.

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00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: They all have unique realities, but they all have disabilities

1132
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 1: and it's just a different way of seeing those things.

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00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: And so Zach there's certain things that he has challenges

1134
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: to do, but there's also unbelievable potential and unbelievable impact

1135
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: that he has. And so Treasure House is designed to

1136
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: be able to allow that peer group to come together

1137
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: and impact one another. It's, you know, designed to allow

1138
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: these families and these kids to dream in a way

1139
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: that they've never dreamed before and open up the possibilities.

1140
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: And there is such a huge need not just here

1141
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 1: in the valley, but around the world, around the country

1142
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: for facilities like this, and so that's where our passion

1143
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: lies is that we're trying to get this one right.

1144
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: We're trying to figure out all the pieces and then

1145
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: we want to branch out and we want to build

1146
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: Treasure houses and every neighborhood. So there is no family

1147
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: that has to wonder what the next steps are, what

1148
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: the what the big picture purposes for their child. And

1149
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: so that's our greatest passion right now. That's where we're

1150
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: driving a lot of our emphasis from a charity standpoint,

1151
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: and it's been incredibly rewarding, even though it's been incredibly

1152
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: tough as you figure out these new worlds and what

1153
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: you have to do, but hearing parents come up to

1154
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: you and say how life changing it was to hear

1155
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 1: these kids talk to their parents when their parents are like, Hey,

1156
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna come home for the weekend, and they're like, well,

1157
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: this is my home. Treasure house is my home now

1158
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: exactly what we wanted to create for our son and

1159
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,959
Speaker 1: for these families, and it's been it's been a labor

1160
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: of love. QB Confidential Yeah dot com. Yes, QB confidential

1161
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: dot com. Um. You know what I've realized over the

1162
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: years is that, man, I want to be able to

1163
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: have a larger impact. I want to be able to,

1164
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, to use my skill and knowledge and experience

1165
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: to be able to impart that on the next generation,

1166
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: whether it's coaches or players. Because I just think I

1167
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: have a unique knowledge of this game and a way

1168
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: to be able to share that. So I've always felt, well,

1169
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: it's limited. You know. I've got my three or four

1170
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: high school quarterbacks, I got my few guys that I

1171
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: work with every summer. But man, there's all these kids

1172
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: out there that want to learn and want to play

1173
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: at the next level and all of this stuff, and

1174
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys out there, quite frankly, that

1175
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: don't really know what they're coaching. And I always feel

1176
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: bad for these guys that whatever they're paying however much

1177
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: money to go work with these gurus. And I look

1178
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: at these gus and I go, what the heck is

1179
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: he teaching him? And so I bought a camera, touchscreen,

1180
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: video monitor, and I hold up in my office for

1181
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: a number of hours and started building this. And I

1182
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: think it's really incredible. I don't think there's anything else

1183
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: out there like it. From a quarterback perspective. It's one

1184
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: of those things where we get in the classroom and

1185
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: I talk on the blackboard and kind of teach him

1186
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: football IQ. We of course go on the field because

1187
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: technique is so important to me, and we go and

1188
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: we do some of that. We open up the playbook

1189
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: because I'm so passionate about play design and play understanding

1190
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: and knowing what you're doing on every play. There's a

1191
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: mindset piece that I call outside the box. A huge

1192
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: part of this process is do you have the right mindset?

1193
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: And then the last piece is kind of a film

1194
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: study where I'm able to dive into NFL film and

1195
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: talk about what I've been talking about in the rest

1196
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: of the platform and kind of show it on the

1197
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: big screen and show people how to watch tape and

1198
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: what I'm looking at. And so it's got so many

1199
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: different facets to it, and now it's a way to

1200
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: be able to reach the masses with this platform and

1201
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: with my experience. Kurt, You're awesome. You continue to inspire

1202
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: me and so many people. I when we came up

1203
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: with this idea to do the podcast, You're the first

1204
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: person I thought of, So I really appreciate you helping

1205
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: me launch this thing. But again, I just admire your faith,

1206
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: your integrity, and your willingness to tell your story because

1207
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: you know how it can impact others and change lives.

1208
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: So thanks, brother, appreciate my good luck with this whole thing.

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00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: All right, Kurt, Thanks so there you have it. Hall

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00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: of Famer Kurt Warner on the first ever Dave Pass Podcast.

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Speaker 1: We won an hour. We could have gone an hour

1212
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: and a half, maybe two hours. Kurt had NFL network duties,

1213
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: or we certainly could have told a lot more great

1214
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,439
Speaker 1: stories about his days in the NFL and much more.

1215
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: Hopefully you got a ton out of that. There was

1216
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: so much great stuff there. How about what Kurt said

1217
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: to the team at halftime of Super Bowl forty three

1218
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: nothing right? He said he had to get the team

1219
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: to believe again through his actions, not his words, by

1220
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: starting off the second half with a great drive. Kurt,

1221
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: like me, thinks Larry Fitzgerald will retire and do it quietly.

1222
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: And I loved how Fits years later told Kurt that

1223
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: he never forgot the advice that Kurt gave him during

1224
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: their very first meeting. Hope you enjoyed the first ever

1225
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: Dave Pash podcast, So glad you're along for the ride.

1226
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: We have some great guests coming up, all pro safety

1227
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker, Cardinal's head coach, Cliff Kingsbury, outstanding ESPN NFL analysts,

1228
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: Mina Kimes, and many more. For all the updates on

1229
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: the Dave Pash Podcast. You can follow us on Twitter

1230
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: at pash pod or also my personal account at Dave Pash.

1231
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: Thanks again for listening. Hope you enjoyed the first edition

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Speaker 1: of the Dave Pash Podcast with Hall of Famer Kurt

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Speaker 1: Warner