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Speaker 1: Welcome on and all to the Hemmer Territory Podcast, presented

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Speaker 1: to you by Fox One. It is a pleasure to

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Speaker 1: be with you once again. We are in the midst

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Speaker 1: of the division series. We've already got the Toronto Blue

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Speaker 1: Jays moving on Scott Coleman to the Alcs. Three final

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Speaker 1: spots to be decided, So plenty of action going on

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Speaker 1: on the baseball diamond. But when you're a team that's

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Speaker 1: not there, it's time to get into the off season.

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what we're looking to do in tonight's

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Speaker 1: episode and Scott Law Firm episode, Coleman and Coleman the

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Speaker 1: best coman combination when it comes to covering the Braves

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Speaker 1: and baseball. Always a pleasure to do these with you, Sir.

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Speaker 2: Hugh was well sewn. Always a pleasure to get the

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Speaker 2: law firm together. And on the show, we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk about pitching targets and pitching options for the Braves

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Speaker 2: and that's exciting, Like this gets to be the exciting

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Speaker 2: part of the offseason. A lot of opportunities for the

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Speaker 2: Braves to get better. Let's hope they're willing to spend

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Speaker 2: the money, maybe to give up a couple of prospects

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Speaker 2: to really pour some fuel on this fire, because as

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Speaker 2: we've seen this team, really the shortcoming has been a

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Speaker 2: lack of pitching and a lack of healthy pitching in

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Speaker 2: recent years, especially come playoff time. And let's hope they

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Speaker 2: make some additions this offseason so then kind of get

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Speaker 2: this team back to where we want them to be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and just set the stage a little bit. You know,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna give kind of a general overlay. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: kind of, you know, give a general idea of why

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Speaker 1: exactly pitching should be the focus this offseason, and also

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Speaker 1: the names that are out there. I just you know,

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Speaker 1: give a little bit of a spoiler. I believe the

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Speaker 1: reason why I'm a bit more confident this offseason than

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Speaker 1: in past off seasons the Braves are going to get

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Speaker 1: that arm that they've been seeking for, you know, multiple

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Speaker 1: more options to choose from this year. And that's always

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Speaker 1: a good thing for Alex and Topless. But Scott, let's

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Speaker 1: get right into it. Why pitching. And the reason I

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Speaker 1: say that is because when you look at this team

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Speaker 1: over the past two years, yes, they have underperformed, but

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Speaker 1: I think that anyone who has followed or covered this

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Speaker 1: team that probably was close to being contending level was

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Speaker 1: the starting pitching when they were healthy. That old saying

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Speaker 1: that sometimes the best ability is availability. It is never

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Speaker 1: ranked more true than with the Atlanta Breveers over the

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Speaker 1: past couple of years. It's injuries and also just in general,

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Speaker 1: you just have more room to add value to make

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Speaker 1: of our position players are locked in place long term.

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Speaker 1: It's the injuries, so we've got good quality, it's the

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Speaker 1: add value. I think that's why Alex and Thopless is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense, Sean, because assuming this team can

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Speaker 2: figure out shortstop, whether it's has On Kim or somebody else,

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Speaker 2: the offense is pretty set. Now. I think they're going

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Speaker 2: and you can never ever ever have too much pitching.

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Speaker 2: We have said it before on the show. We're going

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Speaker 2: But that's just not a gamble that we or anybody

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just you can never account for the

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And when you think to yourself, you're like, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: He was looking to add Aaron Nola from the Phillies.

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Speaker 1: Nola eventually went back to the Phillies for twenty five

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Alex said as much in his end of year

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Speaker 2: Nathany Evaldi was terrific. We also heard through some sourcing

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Speaker 2: thoughtless really do want to add somebody to this rotation,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and let's not forget that. You know, we talk

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Speaker 1: no small factor that this year there just seems to

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Speaker 2: And it looks like on paper, this is going to

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Speaker 2: Just some of the names you have Framber Valdez, you

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Speaker 2: Like I would, it's not breaking any ground here that

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Speaker 1: In other words, the Braves are going to have plenty

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Speaker 1: the DraftKings Pick six app. It's our weekly segment where

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Speaker 1: we look into a specific player, some specific names that

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Speaker 1: Scott with baseball playoffs here, I think that there are

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Speaker 1: talking about Vladimir Guerrero Junior. I would venture to say

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Speaker 1: there may not be a better hitter in baseball right now,

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Speaker 1: and he proved that by beating the best sitter in

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Speaker 2: Judge that's right. And hey, we are in Atlanta Braves podcast,

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Speaker 2: and I have to think Sean, that many people listening

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Speaker 2: a tear last night when the New York Yankees were

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Speaker 2: eliminated from the playoffs. The Blue Jays are such a

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Speaker 2: fun story and vlad Junior just absolutely terrorize them. Hit

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Speaker 2: above five hundred in the series. His ops against the

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Speaker 2: That's really that's pretty good. Yeah, I think it's like

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Speaker 2: I'm rooting for the Blue Jays. Honestly, the American League

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you made that bet six months ago,

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Speaker 2: you'd be a wealthy man. Maybe you can check out

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Speaker 2: DraftKings do something like that. But yeah, this was an

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Speaker 1: Again, we want to welcome you to the Hammer Territory

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Speaker 1: Podcast presented by Fox One, the Fox one app talking

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Speaker 1: off season, pitching targets and Scott. We kind of in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree. And it's funny, Sean. Before we

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Speaker 1: So that's somebody that we're talking about. You know, again,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of favorite Scott has them

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Speaker 1: And the other thing about, you know, looking to add

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Speaker 1: some of these names. There's plenty to cover. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: have many, many more shows getting further into why these

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna come out and just start with my

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Speaker 2: SE's to be a member of the Braves for a

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Speaker 2: of seasons with the San Diego Padres, and let's get

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Speaker 2: And I believe if you.

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Speaker 1: Go back to the you know, we got Jared killinick

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Speaker 2: five days and go. Of course, any pitcher can get hurt.

433
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Speaker 2: All it takes is one pitch and you're in trouble.

434
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Speaker 2: But in terms of durability and liability, seizes about as

435
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Speaker 2: clean of a bill of health as you're gonna find.

436
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And so you know, Scott talked about his favorite

437
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Speaker 1: and I'll be honest with you, if we could get

438
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Speaker 1: Dylan Cease, I would be absolutely ecstatic as well. Personally,

439
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Speaker 1: I think that Cease may be someone who may be

440
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Speaker 1: a little bit out of the price range for the Braves,

441
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Speaker 1: but you know what Alex and Thopplis may be to

442
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Speaker 1: the point to where he's my guy. I'm gonna go

443
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Speaker 1: gett a name that I like and I always like.

444
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Speaker 1: And Scott, I know that you were familiar with him

445
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Speaker 1: as well. Zach Gallan Zach Gallon, formerly of the Arizona Diambacks,

446
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Speaker 1: who became a free agent this year. It was the

447
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Speaker 1: most inopportune time for him to have the worst year

448
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Speaker 1: of his career as an established major league starter, But

449
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Speaker 1: I just I am a huge fan of his and

450
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Speaker 1: I feel like that if he had the season that

451
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Speaker 1: he had, perhaps He's someone that maybe you know, could

452
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Speaker 1: come on a shorter term, higher aav type deal to

453
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Speaker 1: kind of get himself right and go back into the

454
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Speaker 1: free agent market, or he may just be okay to

455
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Speaker 1: settle for a long period of time with a winning

456
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Speaker 1: team like the Braves. But the two biggest reasons why

457
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Speaker 1: I am a fan of Zach Gallen is because he's durable.

458
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Speaker 1: As we've discussed, for out of the past five years,

459
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Speaker 1: at least one hundred and forty eight innings I believe

460
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Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty four or more in three of

461
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Speaker 1: the past five years. But another big thing three top

462
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Speaker 1: ten Cy Young finishes. This guy would be the perfect

463
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Speaker 1: example of someone who can pitch like a number two starter,

464
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Speaker 1: but step up to be there as the number one

465
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Speaker 1: starter when.

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Speaker 2: You need that.

467
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Speaker 1: And if you had a Zach Gallon with a Spencer,

468
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Speaker 1: Swelling Box, Spencer Strider, Chris Sale, you've legitimately got four

469
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Speaker 1: number one and number two starterspilling out your rotation to

470
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Speaker 1: where if one of them is not available in the playoffs,

471
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Speaker 1: you still have as stronger rotation as anybody. So he's

472
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Speaker 1: the type of guy who I really think could fit

473
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Speaker 1: into that price range and with his track record I

474
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Speaker 1: think will age well. Also, he's only thirty. He's number

475
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Speaker 1: one guy on my list in terms of maybe this

476
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Speaker 1: if a cease is too expensive, a Zach Gallon could

477
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Speaker 1: really make a lot of sense.

478
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Zach Gallen was I mean, frankly pretty

479
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Speaker 2: bad in the first half of the season, but he

480
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 2: was much better in the second half. And you know,

481
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Speaker 2: he's not somebody who overpowers you on the mound, like

482
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Speaker 2: he's good command when he's on. His fastball sits around

483
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Speaker 2: ninety three ninety four, which you can obviously work with,

484
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Speaker 2: but you know, not a seats who can throw ninety

485
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Speaker 2: eight ninety nine. I think about that start. He was

486
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Speaker 2: humming a hundred against the Braves a couple of years ago.

487
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Speaker 2: But you Gallan, he's a veteran. I do think you'd

488
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Speaker 2: be buying low a little bit, which is always you know,

489
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Speaker 2: it's the all by Low sell high. I think you'd

490
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Speaker 2: have an opportunity to buy on a clearly talented guy.

491
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Speaker 2: Maybe Gallan doesn't have like legitimate number one cy young

492
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Speaker 2: potential anymore. But I think you made a good point

493
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Speaker 2: that if you do get mostly healthy years out of sale.

494
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Speaker 2: Schwan Bachen Strider. I mean, if Zach Gallon is your

495
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Speaker 2: number four or even number three, if one of those

496
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Speaker 2: guys does go down, I think you're going to be

497
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Speaker 2: more than.

498
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Speaker 1: Okay with it, absolutely, and that that's the whole point,

499
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Speaker 1: is that you know that you know. I think with

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Speaker 1: the Braves one of the biggest things that they're looking

501
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Speaker 1: for is which of these starting pitching options can we

502
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Speaker 1: rely on the most. We're who can we gain the

503
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Speaker 1: most certainty with? And I want to make it clear,

504
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Speaker 1: I will take Dylan Seas over Zach Gallen any day

505
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Speaker 1: of the week, and the reason why is because of

506
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Speaker 1: the Brave's ability to maximize on pitching talents. But I

507
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Speaker 1: also put a lot of value in certainty. I know

508
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Speaker 1: he had a bit of a struggle in the first

509
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Speaker 1: half this year. I just think with Zach Gallen there

510
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Speaker 1: comes a lot of certainty, but a lot of good

511
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Speaker 1: quality as well. But Scott, we're just getting into a

512
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Speaker 1: few of these names. Let's hear a few more that

513
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: really stick out to you from this free agent class

514
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Speaker 1: that you feel could move their way to the top

515
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Speaker 1: of the Braves wish list.

516
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Speaker 2: So I mentioned his name a moment ago, But Michael

517
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Speaker 2: King does have a mutual option with the Padres, although

518
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Speaker 2: everybody expects him to become a free agent. And if

519
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: folks need to remember Michael King, he started Game one

520
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: of the wild Card around against the Braves last year.

521
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 2: I mean he just shoved it down their throat. I

522
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Speaker 2: mean it was as dominant of a pitching performance as

523
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Speaker 2: I have seen. Michael King when he's healthy is really good.

524
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Speaker 2: And that's the key point here. So this past year,

525
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Speaker 2: Michael King had a pinched nerve in his right throwing

526
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Speaker 2: shoulder and ended up missing three months. Funny enough, I

527
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Speaker 2: think he did it the night before he was set

528
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Speaker 2: to face the Braves, and King was scratched like two

529
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Speaker 2: hours before, and everyone was kind of downplaying it, and

530
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Speaker 2: then he went on the il and then he missed

531
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Speaker 2: three months. So a nerve issue in your shoulder is

532
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Speaker 2: not a super common problem for pitchers. We'll see how

533
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Speaker 2: he checks out medically. And then when he tried to

534
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Speaker 2: come back, he also then developed some knee inflammation that

535
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Speaker 2: King said was a product of him trying to come

536
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Speaker 2: back too fast as the Padres were in the playoff chase.

537
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Speaker 2: So Michael King is not going to get a mega contract,

538
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Speaker 2: I don't think, because he's coming off a year where

539
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Speaker 2: I think he only made seven or eight starts, but

540
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Speaker 2: he was fantastic in twenty twenty four, and kind of

541
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Speaker 2: like a gallon, they're not a perfect one for one comparison,

542
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Speaker 2: but you are buying love a little bit, and clearly

543
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: Michael King still has top of the rotation upside. And

544
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Speaker 2: then another name who I thought was maybe possible for

545
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 2: the Braves this time a year ago is Shane Bieber.

546
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Speaker 2: Once upon a time, Bieber was one of the very

547
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Speaker 2: best pitchers in baseball. He underwent Tommy John surgery in

548
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Speaker 2: April of twenty twenty four, so he's about sixteen months

549
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Speaker 2: er boo from that now, and after missing the early

550
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Speaker 2: parts of this past year, he was actually traded to

551
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Speaker 2: Toronto and had a solid three point five to seven

552
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Speaker 2: ERA in seven starts. As you can imagine, Bieber did

553
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Speaker 2: not look terrific and did not look like him old self.

554
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Speaker 2: But this is going to be a bet on a

555
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Speaker 2: talented guy who again, you're probably not going to have

556
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Speaker 2: to go five years and one hundred million dollars on

557
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Speaker 2: Shane Bieber. It'd be very entoughpless like to go out

558
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Speaker 2: and buy a guy who maybe isn't at his peak value,

559
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Speaker 2: with some room for growth and ability to get back

560
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Speaker 2: to where he was just a few years ago.

561
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And and you know those names, you know, also

562
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Speaker 1: with those names, it's you know, Shane Bieber. You know,

563
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: you go back to twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, he

564
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Speaker 1: was thought of as being perhaps the most you know,

565
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Speaker 1: he at that time was thought to be an even

566
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Speaker 1: more you know, had better potential than like a tark

567
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Speaker 1: Scoobo or someone along those lines. He was thought to

568
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Speaker 1: be the it picture a few years back in court

569
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Speaker 1: juries have read their ugly head as we more than

570
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Speaker 1: no But I think that he would potentially be a

571
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Speaker 1: good ad. A couple of other names that I definitely

572
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Speaker 1: think could make sense. And I bring these names up

573
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Speaker 1: becomes of familiarity and reported past interest. But we know

574
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Speaker 1: that Alex and Thoppless, he's had passed interest in you know,

575
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Speaker 1: current Phillies pictures. You know, I believe that he was

576
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Speaker 1: interested in zach Leiler before he went to the Phillies.

577
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: He obviously was interested in there. And Noah, another Phillies pitcher,

578
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: will be a free agent this year, and he's a

579
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Speaker 1: name we know all too well. Ranger swore as if

580
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Speaker 1: you can't beat them, join them, or or if them

581
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: will you is the best way to describe it. But

582
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Speaker 1: with Rangers Fourrez again not a nover'repowering guy. I definitely

583
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: think that that is important to establish. But someone has

584
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: just got a consistent track record of knowing how to

585
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Speaker 1: get guys out and also someone that has extensive quality

586
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: work in the postseason. I think he's definitely someone that's durable.

587
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Speaker 1: He's still young to where you can get good years

588
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Speaker 1: out of him. I think that he would be an

589
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: excellent potential addition for the Braves. And then when it

590
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Speaker 1: comes to recent reported interest, if you go back to

591
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Speaker 1: the twenty four trade deadline Zach Eflin, who at the

592
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Speaker 1: time was with the Tampa Bay Rays, the Braves had

593
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Speaker 1: had reported interest with him multiple times throughout the twenty

594
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Speaker 1: four season. He eventually went to the Orioles last year,

595
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Speaker 1: had a bit of injury issues that he was working through.

596
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Speaker 1: But he's someone who potentially, could, you know, not necessarily

597
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Speaker 1: cost that much in terms of money if he wants

598
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Speaker 1: to make right deal. He's only thirty one himself. But

599
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Speaker 1: if the Braves have had interest in him, I think

600
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Speaker 1: he's the kind of arm that Alexanthopoulos looks at and

601
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Speaker 1: is like, Okay, I know he hasn't had just you know,

602
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: just an awesome career so far. But he's the type

603
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Speaker 1: of guy who I think Alex likes to work with

604
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: that they can get more out of than he previously

605
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: had shown. So he based off reported interest in the past.

606
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: Is another name that could be an under the radar

607
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: type of addition.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting call. And e Flynn actually

609
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Speaker 2: I think underwent back surgery a couple of months ago,

610
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Speaker 2: and I mean this past year was completely lost. I

611
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 2: would be interested in adding Zach Eflin if he's like

612
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: the second guy they sign, you know, they go out

613
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Speaker 2: and sign a better, more established arm and then e

614
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Speaker 2: Flyn's willing to take like a one year bounce back. Absolutely, dude,

615
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: like he could be your fifth starter. He could be

616
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Speaker 2: a bullpen arm. Like you can find ways because as

617
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: of even two years ago, Eflyn was really good. And

618
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Speaker 2: you said the Braves were reportedly interested, and hey, if

619
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Speaker 2: Ranger Suarez is interested in Atlanta and the money is right,

620
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: that dude just absolutely kills the Braves. It is infuriating

621
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: to watch because he's just dropping like ninety mile an hour,

622
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: sinkers on the outer half, and apparently nobody can hit

623
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Speaker 2: it because he just works seven scoreless against the Braves

624
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: seemingly every time he goes out there. Not a power pitcher.

625
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Speaker 2: As he gets older, I think he's someone who's probably

626
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Speaker 2: going to age pretty well because he doesn't rely on

627
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Speaker 2: ninety eight to be effective. But you know, not a

628
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: not a power guy. Kind of unconventional in the modern game.

629
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Speaker 2: But I'm fascinated to see what kind of contract Ranger

630
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Speaker 2: Suarez gets and if the Phillies kind of let him leave.

631
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Speaker 2: I know he's going to be a free agent, but

632
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Speaker 2: I would sure think he'd be interested in coming back

633
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Speaker 2: to Philly. You know, we'll see. Maybe the Phillies just

634
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Speaker 2: kind of overpay to make sure he comes.

635
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Speaker 1: Back, absolutely, and you know it could be interesting, you know,

636
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Speaker 1: because they've got they've certainly got a powerful starting rotation

637
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: coming back themselves. You can kind of call the Aaron Nola,

638
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: you know contract a bit of an overpay, at least

639
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: to this point in it. But the point is is

640
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: he's definitely going to be an interesting one to watch.

641
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Speaker 1: But in general, I think it's pretty clear there's a

642
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: hierarchy of free agent options this year. Certainly would love

643
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: the Braves to add at the higher part of that hierarchy.

644
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 1: But if they have to settle down, and that may

645
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: be Alex's game. Letting a quality starting pitcher who for

646
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: some reason has kind of fallen through the cracks, that's

647
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Speaker 1: when Alex can pounce to really get that valuable contract.

648
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Speaker 1: So it may be that he waits a little bit

649
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: before he adds a type of free agent guy. But

650
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: as we've named, plenty of options to look at. But

651
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: we also know Alexandoppless loves to make the noteworthy trade.

652
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: He has made a career of doing it. And so

653
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about some more names who potentially

654
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: could be on the trade market this offseason for the Braves.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Hammer Territory podcast presented by Fox

656
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Speaker 1: One and so Scott, we just talked about some free

657
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: agent options, some options that could make sense on the

658
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: free agent market. Again, they just cost money, so that's

659
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: why they may make the most sense. But Alex and

660
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: Dopplass He's added Chris Sale before through trades. He's added

661
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: David Price back in his days with the Toronto Blue

662
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: Jays through trades. He's someone that knows how to work

663
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: the trade market not only effectively but creatively, and so

664
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: he could go this route once again. And the thing

665
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: that stands out to me is that this is the

666
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: type of move where if the free agent market just

667
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: winds up being too costly, you could see Alex pounce

668
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: on the right deal quickly.

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00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I think, as we talked about earlier,

670
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: it's always hard to find good starting pitching that's available

671
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: for anything less than like a complete king's ransom, because

672
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: teams don't want to give it up because starting pitching

673
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: is so hard to find. But I do think there's

674
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: probably a couple of teams who are going to have

675
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: arms available who the Braves could make a deal with.

676
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: The farm system is a little bit deeper than it's

677
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: been in recent years, which is only going to help

678
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: trying to get a deal done. And if the Braves

679
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: have envisions of maybe adding a high dollar closer, or

680
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: maybe a multiple relievers, or adding an impact outfield bat,

681
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 2: it might make sense to try to trade for a

682
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: veteran arm instead of sign one to somebody who either

683
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: has team control that's cheaper, or even just maybe can

684
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: get that team to throw in some money to help

685
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: cover the cost next year.

686
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely, again being creative. It's worked out, it hasn't worked out.

687
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: It worked out with Chris sal did not work out

688
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: with Jared Kellenick. But at the end of the day,

689
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: if the right player is out there, that could certainly

690
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: be a route that Alex can go. So let's identify

691
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: that right player. But first we need to identify where

692
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: though that right player is currently playing, what teams could

693
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: make sense for the Braves to potentially contact. Again, this

694
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: is why I think free agency may make more sense

695
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: than the trade market because there's a limited number of

696
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: teams out there, but that doesn't mean that there are

697
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: clear trade partners. That's Scott Alex and Thopplis has had

698
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: a history of talking with in the past as well.

699
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think one team that really stands out as

700
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 2: the same lo as Cardinals. Now. I think we all

701
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: thought the Cardinals might be ready to sell and burn

702
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: it down a year ago, and they really didn't do

703
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: much of anything in the offseason. So Sonny Gray is

704
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: a name I'm going to bring up for probably the

705
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: ninth year in a row on this podcast. Sonny Gray

706
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: is now thirty five years old and he makes a

707
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 2: lot of money. So that's probably the biggest total here.

708
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: Saint Louis would have to cover some of the money

709
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: because they front loaded his three year contract. Sonny Gray

710
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: makes thirty five million dollars next season. Sean, Well, that's

711
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: that's light money in the days of Sean Coleman. But

712
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: for Sonny Gray, that's a lot of cash, and so

713
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: you would imagine Saint Louis would have to cover some

714
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: of that. We'll see what they want to do. But

715
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: Sonny Gray, if the Cardinals are willing to cover some

716
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: of the salary, was very good again this past season.

717
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: He had a FIP a next FIP in the low threes,

718
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: had a stellar twenty six point seven percent strikeout rate

719
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: and only a five percent walk rate, which is really impressive.

720
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Speaker 2: He does not walk people, and once again the theme

721
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 2: of this podcast, Sonny Gray very durable. He has made

722
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: twenty three or more starts every year since twenty fourteen,

723
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: other than the COVID year, and over the past five years,

724
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: Sonny Gray has averaged upwards of twenty eight starts a year.

725
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 2: As the epitome of taking the ball every fifth day,

726
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: He's going to be thirty six. He may not be

727
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: a true number one at this point. But again, kind

728
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,479
Speaker 2: of what we were saying earlier, if you could add

729
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 2: someone like Sonny Gray and some money to this rotation

730
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: along with Sale and Schwallenbach, Strider Waldrop, that's really really

731
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: good Braves.

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Speaker 1: If it been linked to him in the past, he

733
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: very much would be a kind of a you know,

734
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: five years later version of Charlie Morton, you know that,

735
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, loosely similar repertoire, same portion of their careers.

736
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: You think with the Braves he probably could stay effective

737
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: later on his career, similar to Sale, where you get

738
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: him with one year left on his contract, but if

739
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: he excels here, he probably would want to stay, so

740
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: it would make sense. And for the Cardinals with that

741
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: price tag, he may not cost that much at the

742
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: Braves would be willing to take on a good portion

743
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: of that contract. So I definitely think that he stands

744
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: out as a potential option. But other names that maybe

745
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: get people a little bit more excited, are you know

746
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 1: out there as well? Some teams that I think could

747
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: make sense for the Braves to potentially go and just explore.

748
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: You've got the Minnesota Twins, You've got the Floor or

749
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: the Miami Marlins, both of those teams are kind of

750
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: in limbo right now and.

751
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: Or looking to rebuild.

752
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: And you also have the Texas Rangers, who we know

753
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: potentially are looking to cut financial costs this year as well,

754
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: and so Scott. Those are just some teams that make sense.

755
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: I'm into names in a few moments, but first, when

756
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: you get your thought, any other teams and a few

757
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: other names in the trade market that could make sense

758
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: beyond Sunny Gray for you.

759
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: Oh man, it's tough. I mean, just looking around, like,

760
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: let's do a really quick. Blue Jays not selling, Yankees,

761
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: no Red Sox. No, maybe the Tampa Bay Rays, but

762
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: I don't know if they really have much. The Orioles

763
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 2: are probably trying to contend. Still, Cleveland's not going to sell.

764
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 2: The Tigers are not going to sell. Royals aren't the

765
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: Twins we talked about. The White Sox are obviously in

766
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 2: a rebuild, but you know, they don't have a lot

767
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: to offer even if they wanted to sell. You know,

768
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: looking at the American League West, the Angels or probably

769
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: potential sellers, but again don't they You know, these teams,

770
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: these bad teams do not have much in the way

771
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: of good, controllable starting pitching who they would want to trade,

772
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: or if they do have good pitchers, they might be

773
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: really young and cheap. They want to keep them around

774
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: because maybe they feel like they can contend in a

775
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: couple of years. And then in the National League, which

776
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: was really flat this year, Phillies, Mets, you're not working

777
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 2: to deal with them. Maybe the Marlins, like you said,

778
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: the Nationals don't really have much to sell. I mean,

779
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: maybe like Mackenzie Gore could become available, might be an

780
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: interesting name for the Braves. You know, again in the

781
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: Central we talked about the Cardinals, the Pirates. I mean,

782
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 2: unless they want to make Paul's schemes available, I don't

783
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: necessarily see a fit there. And then in the West,

784
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: I think you have four teams that want to contend,

785
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: and then the Rockies are just an absolute wasteland. So

786
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 2: it's it's hard man, like I wish there were twelve

787
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: teams wor it's like, wow, these are obvious sellers. Maybe,

788
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: like I'm looking at the Pirates, maybe Mitch Keller could

789
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: be a possibility. But again, at least to me second

790
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: week of October, I feel like they're more likely to

791
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: go through free agency.

792
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now there are a few names that have been

793
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: connected out there. You know, one popular name that was

794
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: out there at the trade deadline that I think many

795
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: teams are going to be acquiring on is Joe Ryant

796
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: of the Twins, who's just been pretty straightforward again kind

797
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: of he's not necessarily stuff wise, but just in terms

798
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: of track record wise, resume wise, very much like a

799
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: Zach Gallon before Gallon struggled this year, you know, just

800
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: simply one of the top you know, ten to fifteen

801
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: guys over the past two or three years in the

802
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: American League. Controllable think for a few more years he

803
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: could be an option, but maybe not so much because

804
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: I think many teams are going to be on him.

805
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: His teammate Pablo Lopez, who the Braves are familiar with

806
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: from his days with the Miami Marlins. That is someone

807
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: that you could potentially see the Braves kick the tires on,

808
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: because we know the Braves have reportedly talked with the

809
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: Twins since they had potential interest in Byron Buxton at

810
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: the trade deadline, so that could be a name. The

811
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: Texas Rangers, who I mentioned, may look to cut some

812
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: financial costs. They have a lot of money tied into

813
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: their starting rotation. Could Alex and Doppolas pick up that

814
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: bone and say, hey, we were interested in Nathan Deabaldi

815
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: just a year ago. He had a bit of injury

816
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: issues this year, two years fifty million dollars left on

817
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: his contracts. Could they work out a deal with him?

818
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: That could be an option that makes sense as well.

819
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: And we know that the Miami Marlins are not afraid

820
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: to trade within their division. Jesus Lozardo went to the

821
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: Phillies just last offseason. Sandy Ocontra, I know that he

822
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: has struggled. I know he's come back from injury. I

823
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: know he's not who he was in twenty twenty two.

824
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: But if I'm correct, I believe three years thirty million

825
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: left on his contracts. I think that still is a

826
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: valuable contract that you may be able to get into discount.

827
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: Since he struggled a bit this year, that could be

828
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: a name that could make sense as well. But to

829
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: Scott's point, the same reason that we're interested in these names,

830
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: so many other teams are going to be interested in

831
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: these names as well, because many of those names that

832
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: we mentioned are under control and could potentially come at

833
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: a discount. So that again is another reason why the

834
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: trade market may not make that much sense.

835
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. I think the Braves will obviously

836
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 2: call twenty nine baseball teams and say, hey, what are

837
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: you thinking on this guy? Where do you value Joe Ryan?

838
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: Where do you value Sandio Contra? And are you cool

839
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: trading a guy who's been in your organization his entire

840
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: career to the Braves just down the road. We'll see.

841
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: But I do think it's encouraging. The Braves have a

842
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 2: little more farm system depth. They have a good amount

843
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: of pitching in the upper levels of the miners, and

844
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 2: more of their position player talent is in the lower levels.

845
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: But there's still some intriguing prospects down there. So sure,

846
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: if you can make a trade, generally you're going to

847
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: get better value by going through the trade market. You're

848
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: not going to necessarily have to pay as high of

849
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,959
Speaker 2: a dollar cost to add in trades. But of course

850
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: then you are giving up prospects the farm systems finally

851
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: come into life. Do you now want to cut all

852
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: your prospect talent in half at this point? I don't know.

853
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: You might also give up a draft pick this offseason

854
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: in order to sign somebody who's good that's another consideration.

855
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 2: But you know, it's all a big calculation for Alex

856
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: and Thopolss, and hopefully he had someone good, you know,

857
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: like I don't necessarily need Paul schemes, but I need

858
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: someone we can be like excited about, like honest to

859
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 2: goodness excited about Sean. We come on into a pod

860
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: and we're like pumped up for the season now because

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Speaker 2: they've added this player or that player. I really hope

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Speaker 2: they kind of invest in what they need to invest in,

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Speaker 2: which is a middle or frontline starter, add some firepower

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00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: to the back end of the bullpen, and then add

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Speaker 2: one beat excuse me, one bat to the lineup in

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Speaker 2: that outfield, DH Mold.

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Speaker 1: And you probably are looking, yeah, looking at the bullpen.

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Speaker 1: But just think about it this way. Why would Alex

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Speaker 1: and Thoppliss potentially want to add more quality to what

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Speaker 1: may currently be the most you know, filled with quality

871
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: aspect of his team. Please go look at the rotations

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Speaker 1: that have been pitching in the playoffs for some of

873
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: these teams. Go look at some of these names that

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Speaker 1: have been pitching. Now, to their credit, they pitched will

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Speaker 1: but imagine seeing some of those rotations and then seeing

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Speaker 1: what the Braves have if you've got Chris Sale, Spencer,

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Speaker 1: Swelling Box, Spencer, Strider, and one of these names that

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Speaker 1: we mentioned added to the cause. That is so many

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Speaker 1: arms that can go through an opposing playoff lineup multiple times.

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Speaker 1: And I know, again it's all about health. But the

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Speaker 1: more that you have of those type of arms, if

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00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: you were to lose one, you could pop another right

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Speaker 1: back in there in a big situation. I think that's

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Speaker 1: a big reason why Alex is wanting to add an arm.

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Speaker 1: And to end with this, Scott, I feel like there

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Speaker 1: should be a higher level of confidence he'll get that

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Speaker 1: arm added now if he does. If he does, I

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00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: think that the big moves will hopefully be extending Hasan

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Speaker 1: Kim and getting this notable arm added. But if that

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Speaker 1: is the two big moves of your off season, I

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Speaker 1: consider that a successful offseason.

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Speaker 2: Oh me too, I mean really, I really like the

893
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: idea of Hasan Kim. Let's get him extended signed, opt

894
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: in whatever you have to do, and then add a

895
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Speaker 2: frontline starter and then add a closer, and I would

896
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: feel pretty good about this Braves team's chances. Now, of

897
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 2: course they'll add little pieces depth you add somewhere to

898
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Speaker 2: the bullpen, who isn't maybe an a one relieve option,

899
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Speaker 2: but yeah, it's it's an exciting spot because if you

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00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: can tell yourself, the Braves are going to spend or

901
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: give up the prospects required to add these positions of need,

902
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: this could be a really good roster on paper. And sure,

903
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: they have to go out and they have to perform.

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Speaker 2: They can't have half the lineup having career worst first

905
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Speaker 2: halfs of the season like we just watched. You have

906
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Speaker 2: to hope the injury fortune is a little better. But

907
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Speaker 2: you know, let's go, let's get back to the playoffs.

908
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: It sucks not having the Braves in October. They've won

909
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: how many baseball games have they won since the World

910
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: Series in the playoff two? Like right, Like they won

911
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 2: one game in twenty two, one game in twenty three,

912
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Speaker 2: none last year, none this year. We need to get

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Speaker 2: back to being in the playoffs, making deep runs and

914
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Speaker 2: being a legitimate World Series contender. I think they have

915
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Speaker 2: a real chance to do that this offseason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, since they celebrated in Houston two and ten in

917
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Speaker 1: twelve playoff games between twenty two and twenty four, And

918
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Speaker 1: of course you know the other you know news today

919
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Speaker 1: we don't want to go without mentioning this, and I

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00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: think it is notable the Braves did part ways with

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Speaker 1: long time head of pitcher development in the organization, Paul Davis.

922
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Speaker 1: Now I think that it goes without saying his track

923
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: record was quite successful in identifying talent. But again we

924
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: mentioned picture development. You have to feel that the amount

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Speaker 1: of injuries that have stacked up, especially in some of

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Speaker 1: our younger arms, probably played into that decision. The notable

927
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Speaker 1: thing about this to me is that it means that

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Speaker 1: again this organization is looking to change its course with

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Speaker 1: how it does things. Now, I'm not going to sit

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Speaker 1: here and say I know exactly what that means in

931
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Speaker 1: the exact details of that, I feel confident in saying

932
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Speaker 1: the Braves may not have those exact details as of yet,

933
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Speaker 1: but they're making organizational changes at different levels. So that

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Speaker 1: is notable as well. So when we go out and

935
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Speaker 1: try to get this arm that potentially is going to

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Speaker 1: be more durable than other arms that we've had in

937
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: the past, add them to what hopefully will be better injury. Look,

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Speaker 1: you could be in a very good spot very quickly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hope. I mean, good Lord Seawan, this team

940
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: deserves some fortune on the injury side. I mean, the

941
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Speaker 2: last couple of years have been rough, and then of

942
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Speaker 2: course you have the injuries right before the playoffs two

943
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: in recent years, which just really was a kick in

944
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Speaker 2: the kick in the groin. And yeah, you know you

945
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Speaker 2: mentioned Paul Davis, director of pitching development with the Braves

946
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Speaker 2: since twenty twenty, was let go. I don't know, maybe

947
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: something behind the scenes, maybe just a difference in philosophies

948
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Speaker 2: there was. That was an interesting report from Carlos COLASO

949
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Speaker 2: Baseball America. But the Braves, like you said, I mean

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Speaker 2: that they're evaluating and making changes and hopefully they're for

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Speaker 2: the better.

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Speaker 1: That is what we're all focused on, that durn mute button.

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Speaker 1: That is all we're focused on, is the fact that

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Speaker 1: we're wanting to get things done for the better. And Scott,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't have asked, you know, for you know, hey,

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Speaker 1: Steven Brad on the same level. But I couldn't ask

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Speaker 1: for a better group of guys to talk about this

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Speaker 1: with all off season then you, Brad and Steven. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: we're going to get into some of these, dive deeper

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Speaker 1: into them, along with some offensive players all off.

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Speaker 2: Season to do that.

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Speaker 1: But make sure you stick with us because we're going

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Speaker 1: to have you covered no matter what until next time.

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