1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. This is the Bloomberg 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: Daymakur podcast, available every morning on Apple, Spotify or wherever 3 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: you listen. It's Monday, the thirteenth of May here in London. 4 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: I'm Caroline Hepka. 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 2: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today, Vladimir Putin changes 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: his defense chief as Ukraine battles to hold on to territory. 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: Biden prepares to quadrupel tariffs on Chinese evs, but holds 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: off on more consequential levies. 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 2: Plus, we have the inside story on Europe's increasing reliance 10 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: on one company to supply its gas and what it 11 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: means for future prices. 12 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: Russian President Vladimir Putin has replaced his long standing defense 14 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: minister with his former economic aid The unexpected change signals 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: his administration's focus on growing the Russian war economy. Former 16 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: MI six Intelligence of Christopher Steel says the move highlights 17 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 2: deeper fault lines in the country's leadership. 18 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 3: I think what this indicates it's not just a reshuffle 19 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 3: along normal governmental lines. It's really quite serious instability right 20 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 3: in the heart of this regime and it's astonishing to be. 21 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 2: Honest, Christopher Steel speaking there. The reshuffle comes just days 22 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: after the Russian president was sworn in for a fifth term, 23 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: extending his quarter century in power. 24 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: Vladimir Zelenski is urging his people not to panic as 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: Russia advances into Ukraine's Kharkiv region. The president used his 26 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: regular Sunday statement to tell Ukrainians to trust their army 27 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: despite the quote extremely difficult situation on the outskirts of 28 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: the city of Vochansk. Anna Borchevskaya, who is an expert 29 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: in Russian policy, says an escalation in fighting was to 30 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: be expected. 31 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 4: US Congress took a very long time to supply aid 32 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 4: to Ukraine, and Russia has been taking advantage of this delay. 33 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 4: On top of that, one way or the other, with 34 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 4: or without aid provision, analysts expected a Russian offensive calm summer. 35 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: Russian policy expert Anna Botchevskaya, speaking there, Russia's Defense Ministry 36 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: on Sunday claimed that its troops had made deeper advances 37 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: into the Harkive border regent quote, liberating a total of 38 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: nine settlements over the weekend. 39 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: Richie Sinak will pitch himself as the candidate who can 40 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: achieve a more secure future for Britain in a speech 41 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: in London today, reframing the election to focus on security. 42 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: The Prime Minister will also confirm that a UK general 43 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: election will take place this year rather than by the 44 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: January twenty twenty five deadline. The speech will be Sinak's 45 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: first address since his party lost more than half of 46 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: the council seats they were defending during recent local elections 47 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: and the defection of one of his MPs to labor. 48 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: President Biden will drupel tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles this 49 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: week and sharply increase levees for other key industries. The 50 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: announcement is the culmination of a near two year review 51 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: of tariffs first imposed by Biden's likely presidential election rival, 52 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Bloomberg's chief North Asia correspondent Stephen Engele has 53 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: the details. 54 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 5: Total tariffs on Chinese made electric vehicles will rise to 55 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 5: one hundred and two point five percent, up from twenty 56 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 5: seven point five percent right now, So that's an increase 57 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 5: of two hundred and seventy two percent, nearly quadrupling. Other 58 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 5: tariffs will be doubled or tripled in targeted industries, including batteries, 59 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 5: solar cells, steel, and aluminum. It's not clear yet which 60 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 5: items were spared in this new tariff hike, but sources 61 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 5: say there won't be any rate reduction. 62 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Stephen Angel. He also points out that Biden's plan 63 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: for more tariffs is mostly symbolic, as China doesn't rely 64 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: on US consumers in those sectors. Chinese evs were locked 65 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: out of the US market years ago by existing tariffs, 66 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: while solar firms mostly export to the United States from 67 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: third countries, avoiding similar curves. 68 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: The US Secretary of State says Israel risks fueling a 69 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: hamas in certainty in post war Gaza if it continues 70 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 2: on its current path. It's the latest warning in a 71 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: steady escalation of US concern about Israel's conduct as the 72 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: country prepares for a likely invasion of the southern Gaza 73 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: city of Rafa. Speaking to NBC's Meet the Press, Anthony 74 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 2: Blincoln had this warning. 75 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 6: Israel's on the directory potentially to inherit an insurgency with 76 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 6: many armed and moss left, or if it leaves a 77 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 6: vacuum filled by chaos, filled by anarchy, and probably refilled 78 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 6: by AMAS. 79 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: Blincoln also broadly questioned Israel's approach saying the Biden administration 80 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: hasn't seen a credible Israeli plan for shielding civilians in 81 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: an assault on RAFA, nor a post war plan. The 82 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 2: comments come just days after Israeli Prime Minister Benjaminnette Yahoo 83 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: struck a defiant tone, saying if we have to stand alone, 84 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: we will stand alone. 85 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: Amazon, Pfizer, and Morgan Stanley are among companies expected to 86 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: boost their presence in France. A flurry of new investments 87 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 1: in the country will be unveiled today as President macwont 88 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: welcomes one hundred and eighty business leaders to Versailles for 89 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: the annual Choos France Summit. Bloomberg's Alberto nor Deli says 90 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: the event, signed to make France a financial hub, is 91 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: helping the country to win investment over its European peers. 92 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 7: If you look at the specific French initiative, what sets 93 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 7: it apart from other similar initiatives, saying other European countries 94 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 7: is really the profile of the event. Because most countries 95 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 7: have FDI forums or events to try and attract business 96 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 7: and investment. The thing that's kind of different about the 97 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 7: French initiative is its profile. The pomp. 98 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's a Correspondent at Large for Europe, Alberto our Deli. 99 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: Then the ELISE said in a statement that the fifty 100 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: six projects to be unveiled this week out to more 101 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: than fifteen billion euros invested in total, and that top's 102 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: last year's thirteen billion euros. French Finance Minister Bruno Lamire 103 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: will host the lunch later today for top bankers, including 104 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: JP Morgan CEO Jamie Diamond and Goblin Sachs CEO David Solomon. 105 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: Now in a moment we'll get more details on the 106 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: changes at the top of Russia's defense ministry, why they're happening. 107 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: Plus we'll also tell you about one Norwegian company and 108 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: why it has now an outsized influence on nat gas 109 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: prices natural gas prices across Europe. But then another story 110 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: called ore I this morning. This of course after Eurovision 111 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: over the weekend. 112 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: Yes, and Dean, I know, Caroline, your entire weekend was 113 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: dominated by Eurovision, you and the oard one hundred and 114 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: sixty million other people that were watching it. But the 115 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: focus already moving to the winner, Switzerland, and where and 116 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: how they're going to host the event next year. And 117 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 2: this is something that our colleagues have been writing about 118 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: this morning. This is to do with the Swiss public 119 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 2: broadcaster SRG, because it's them that hosts the event and 120 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 2: how they're going to pay for it, because there's been 121 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 2: a debate ongoing in sweats Land about funding for the broadcaster. 122 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: The EBU estimates to cost ten to twenty million euros 123 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: to host it. Some countries spend much much more. I mean, 124 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: you saw the scale of the events in Sweden last week. 125 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: You can see where the money goes. The debate is 126 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: where is it going to be Basil, Zurich and Geneva 127 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: are thought to be the most likely host city candidates, 128 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: and the major arenas in those that he's already confirmed, 129 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: they're in talks about getting the event secures. 130 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: To my mind, ten to twenty million euros is a pittance, 131 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: frankly to get the sort of audience and also the 132 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: boost from tourism and the attention. This is something way 133 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: bigger than the Super Bowl in terms of viewership. But 134 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: as you say, in a small country, there are a 135 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: lot of questions about how to host so many people 136 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: who come to sit. 137 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Indeed, some of the studies that we're done after 138 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: Liverpool hosted the event last year, as well, saw a 139 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: major added value compared to the cost involved, but it's 140 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: still a big bill and someone has to pay for it. 141 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely right. From that story from the weekend, let's focus 142 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: then on Russia. The appointment of a new defense minister 143 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: just days after Vladimir Putin was sworn in for a 144 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: fifth term. The economist Andre Bullosov, currently the first Deputy 145 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: Prime Minister, will take over from Sergei Shoigu at a 146 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: critical time in the Russian War in Ukraine. Let's get 147 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: more now from Bloomberg's Tony Halpin, who leads are Economics 148 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: and Government team coverage of Russia. Tony, good morning, and 149 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Why do we think 150 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: that Putin made this change in the defense ministry now. 151 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 8: Good morning. Well, I think there are two reasons. Really. First, 152 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 8: it's an expression of disappointment, I think on Putin's part 153 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 8: that Russia hasn't made more progress in Ukraine than it 154 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 8: has now the wars in its third year. It's making 155 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 8: some advances, but there've been no big breakthroughs for quite 156 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 8: a long time. And you'll recall that Shoigu was the 157 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,239 Speaker 8: target of a lot of criticism when the Wagner mercenary 158 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 8: chief Preclusion launched his mutiny last year. But also because 159 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 8: I think he's determined to get more value of the 160 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 8: money from the money being spent in Russia's economy to 161 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 8: support the war. He's mobilizing the Russian economy to get 162 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 8: the maximum possible effect in support of the military in 163 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 8: the field, to try and make more advance It. 164 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: Is this a signal of a change in direction then, 165 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: of how the Russian war in Ukraine is going to 166 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 2: be conductor? 167 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 8: Well, I think it signals an intensification of Russian efforts. 168 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 8: As we've seen Russian forces are trying to attack even 169 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 8: as we speak put in once progress. He wants to 170 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 8: see success on the battlefield. It's costing Russia an awful 171 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 8: lot of money, and unlike Ukraine, which can call on 172 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 8: the support of Europe and the US to help it 173 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 8: in its fight, Russia must rely almost entirely on its 174 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 8: own resources, and it's got a fairly limited resource in comparison. 175 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 8: So he's trying to get the maximum possible effect from 176 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 8: every rule that's being spent on the war economy. 177 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And what about Andre Belosov, I mean he's 178 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: a trained economist, is he going to be able to 179 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: help with that. What can you tell us about him 180 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: as a person as a leader. 181 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, he's a man with no military background whatsoever, which 182 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 8: is not in fact unusual in Russia. The last few 183 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 8: defensements that have been people from civilian background. But what 184 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 8: this singershiz Belausov is the fact that he's very much 185 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 8: an advocate for greater state involvement and state control of 186 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 8: the Russian economy. So I think we can expect to 187 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 8: see him finding ways to increase efficiencies, to mobilize the 188 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 8: economy to the maximum in defense output in order to 189 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 8: generate more and more weapons to try and ensure that 190 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 8: Russia makes some progress on the battle. 191 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: You mentioned there are some of the latest advances that 192 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: Russia has made in Ukraine as well. I wonder if 193 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 2: you could just bring us up to day as to 194 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 2: where exactly things are in Ukraine at the moment. 195 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 8: Yes, and then you've already mentioned President Dolenski has said 196 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 8: that things are extremely difficult on the battlefront of the moment. 197 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 8: The head of the Ukrainian Army says fierce battles are 198 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 8: taking place around the Parkiv region in the northeast as 199 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 8: Russia tries to push ahead there. Putin has already said 200 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 8: in recent weeks that he wants what he calls a 201 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 8: buffer zone along that border area between Ukraine and Russia, 202 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 8: partly to protect Russian cities, particularly Belgrade, from attack by 203 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 8: Ukraine's drones. So it seems that Russia is trying to 204 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 8: implement that plan and to try and push forward and 205 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 8: seize some territory. But fierce battles are going on all 206 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 8: across the front line as we've been. 207 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: Okay, Tony, thank you so much for being with us 208 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: this morning. Bloomberg's Tony Halpin, who leads our economics and 209 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: government team covering Russia, thank you so much. 210 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 2: Turn another story. Now, Europe now relies on Norway for 211 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: one third of its natural gas, and its flagship company, Equinor, 212 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 2: now influences the ups and downs of the continent's gas prices. 213 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: Our European gas supporter, Priscilla Azevedo Roca, has been looking 214 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 2: into the story and she joins us this morning for more. 215 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: Good morning, Priscilla. How important is Equinor to Europe's energy supplies? 216 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 9: So Equinor, which is Norway's biggest toiling guess company, has 217 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 9: become the main supplier of guests to Europe following the 218 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 9: invasion of Ukraine when Europe lost most of it supplies 219 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 9: that he was getting from Russia. So Equinor now accounts 220 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 9: for roughly a third of the guests that we all 221 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 9: use in the UK and continue to Europe. So it's 222 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,599 Speaker 9: one of the main sources. 223 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, so it's helping to keep the lights on. 224 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: But how did that happen then? So swiftly. 225 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 9: It was indeed very swiftly. So Equinor was already a 226 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 9: good supplier of energy to Europe, So the relationship was 227 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 9: already there. The pipeline were in place, and the infrastructure 228 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 9: was there, because one thing with energy is that infrastructure 229 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 9: takes a long time to build. And whilst Europe is 230 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 9: indeed deploying its renewable capacity, there's more wind and solar 231 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 9: being built. The pipeline is connecting Norway with Scotland and 232 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 9: with continuing to Europe and Germany were already in place. 233 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 9: So at the time Norway started pumping out more gas 234 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 9: from its facilities and exporting more and less year or 235 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 9: the year before, they sent records supplies to Europe. 236 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: Are there any parallels here, Pasella between Europe's dependent on 237 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: Russian gas before the invasion of Ukraine. 238 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 9: Yes, there are in a sense. At the other time, 239 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 9: they're not. Equinor and gas from There are two very 240 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 9: different companies. One is Norwegian and the other one is Russian. 241 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 9: And Norway has been a reliable supplier to Europe for 242 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 9: a long time. But the market here. 243 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 4: That they that they. 244 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 9: Equate now like the Equinor has now compared to gas 245 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 9: from Head pre invasion of Ukraine was roughly similar. And 246 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 9: because the energy markets are so fragile and still Europe 247 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 9: is trying to rebuild its energy sources following the invasion 248 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 9: and the trauma that came along with it. Every time 249 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 9: there's any problems in one of Equinor's facilities or they 250 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 9: go into unplanned outages, or there's any indication to guess 251 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 9: traders that there's going to be a tightness of supplying 252 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 9: to the continent, prices move quite a lot. But this 253 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 9: is a mere consequence of this feeling that things are 254 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 9: not as stable as they used to be. 255 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and perhaps you know, the concern now much more 256 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: pertinent for Europe of where they're getting the energy supplies 257 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: from and what's been the response then from European leaders, 258 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: Priscilla European leaders. 259 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 9: They have been very welcoming towards Equinor, towards Norwegian's involvement 260 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 9: in being there and providing what the co energy security 261 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 9: to the continent, and they have been very accepting to it. 262 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 9: But with this realization that at the same time, the 263 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 9: renewables capacity and the whole energy transition wasn't going to 264 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 9: be ready in time. So whilst we avoided blackouts because 265 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 9: of lower energy consumption because of mild winters and so on, 266 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 9: Europe has been extremely lucky. 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