1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Minky. Listener discretion is advised, Hey, friends, 3 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: particularly those near California and Arizona. I am heading your 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: way very soon, and I don't make it out that 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: way very often. My life with the Afterlife Speaking Tour 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: is making stops at the Crest Theater in Sacramento on 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: September four, the Rialto Theater in Tucson, Arizona on September 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: the Talking Stick Resort in Scottsdale, Arizona on September six, 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: and the Balboa Theater in San Diego on September. So 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: tickets can be found at the venues websites, and I 11 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: hope to see you there. While filming for a show 12 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: called Ghost Hunters that if you didn't know, I spent 13 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: seven seasons on, I had what stands to this day 14 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: as being the strangest experience I've ever had in a theater. 15 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: Adam Burry and I had drawn the short straw when 16 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: it came to investigating a very particular claim at a 17 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: theater we were filming at. You see, the claim was 18 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: that every night at three am, a figure could be 19 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: seen high up in the balcony. You had to be 20 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: on the stage to see it, but if you saw it, 21 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: this figure would wave at you. B s. We all laughed, 22 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: but we had to check this out because the facility 23 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: was adamant. So as the rest of the team packed 24 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: up and left for the night, Adam and I stayed 25 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: behind to wait for three am. Again the short straw. 26 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: We along with a lone camera operator and producer, perched 27 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: on the stage and waited. As the clock ticked three, 28 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: we peered up in the darkness. We called out, hello, nothing. 29 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: We scanned the seats, scanned the railings, and then we 30 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: saw it, not in the balcony, but standing in one 31 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: of the doorways at the back of the balcony where 32 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: people would enter to take their seats, a white figure 33 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: drifting in and out of focus. Hello. We called who 34 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: was up there? But we knew no one was there. 35 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: We personally watched everyone leave. Plus this didn't look like 36 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: a solid person. So we looked at each other and 37 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: looked back up in the balcony and we waved, and 38 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: I kid you not, that odd white figure lifted what 39 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: I assumed to be its arm and started waving back. 40 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: And then it just stood there and waved and waved 41 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: and did not stop waving, this strange slow wave that 42 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: to this day sends chills down my spine. We tried 43 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: desperately to capture what we were seeing on camera, but 44 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: with how far away it was, it was nearly impossible. 45 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: Our camera operator, witnessing this as well, also tried. At 46 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: some point we ran up to the balcony to the 47 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: very spot where this figure was, but as you can imagine, 48 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: no one was there, so you'll just have to take 49 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: my word for it. You'll also have to take my word. 50 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: Theaters can be crazy haunted, so let's visit one with 51 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: some wild history attached to it and of course lots 52 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: of ghosts. We're headed to the Paramount Theater in Asbury Park, 53 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: New Jersey. I'm Amy Brunei, and this is haunted road. 54 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: Early in the morning on September eight, Nur, while the 55 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: ship was churning through an intense storm on its way 56 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: to New York, flames shot through the walls of the S. S. 57 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: Morrow Castle. The blaze destroyed the electrical work and disabled 58 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: the communications system, leaving the luxury liner dead in the 59 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: water unable to call for help. By the time the 60 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: blaze had calmed. Approximately one seven people had perished, many 61 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: while asleep in their beds. But from the shore in 62 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: Asbury Park, New Jersey, people knew what was happening aboard 63 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: the S. S. Morrow Castle. They stood on the beaches 64 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: watching the ship burn, powerless to help the people aboard 65 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: until their bodies washed up on shore. In the months 66 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: that followed, tourists flooded the convention hall and the attached 67 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: Paramount Theater, paying twenty five cents apiece to see the 68 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: charred remains of the ship, which washed ashore next to 69 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: the buildings. Some looted the cabins of the wealthy who 70 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: had been aboard. Others speculated about the cause of the 71 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: disastrous fire, which was later determined to be arson, saying 72 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: it was an inside job by the government or enemies 73 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: of the United States. The tragedy left its mark on 74 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: the community, and some say filled the theater with the 75 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: souls of those who perished and who cannot find rest. 76 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: But it wasn't the first time that stretch of coastline 77 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: had seen a tragedy on such a grand scale. A 78 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: century earlier, another ship burned, killing more than two hundred 79 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: people aboard, just off the land where the Paramount Theater 80 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: sits today. Is it any wonder the building is full 81 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: of ghosts. Founded in eighteen seventy one on the northern 82 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: shores of New Jersey, Asbury Park quickly developed into a 83 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: resort town. People sunned themselves on the town's beaches, strolled 84 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: the boardwalk, and by night danced in its dance halls, 85 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: as Ray Gallagher wrote in his History of Asbury Park, 86 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: by the early twentieth century, Asbury Park cemented itself as 87 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: New Jersey's premier tourist destination. The city decided it needed 88 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: a large gathering place for visitors, which would attract even 89 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: bigger crowds and drive the growing tourism industry. That place 90 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: would be the Beachfront complex housing the Asbury Park Convention 91 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: Center and the attached Paramount Theater, which were first planned 92 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixteen, but didn't secure funding until a decade later. 93 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: According to the U S Department of the Interior, the 94 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: plan to build a convention center in Asbury Park was 95 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: steeped in controversy from the start. On the one hand, 96 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: there were those who believed that the building was necessary 97 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: for Asbury Park to meet the demands of tourists. On 98 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: the other hand, there was an equally vociferous group who 99 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: maintained that the increased public financial burden would be suicidal. 100 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: The complex was designed to accommodate a lot of people, 101 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: thirty four hundred in the convention Center and just across 102 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,119 Speaker 1: the arcade connecting the buildings, sixteen hundred in the theater. 103 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: They were designed by the same architects who envisioned Manhattan's 104 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: Grand Central Station in the eclectic style popular in the day, 105 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: with seashells and nautical motifs decorating the facades of the buildings. 106 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: Inside the Convention Center is a massive seven hundred pipe 107 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: organ built into the walls themselves, so the instrument is 108 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: actually part of the architecture. The Department of the Interior 109 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: describes the theater's decor is consisting of offset concentric light 110 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: panels of amber cathedral glass, interspersed with reinforced plaster, ornamentation 111 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: of floral character and female nudes, and perforated ornamentation for ventilation. 112 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: When it first opened its doors on New Year's Day 113 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty, the first movie the theater showed was Howard 114 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: He Uses Wings. Not long after, people filled those seats 115 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: to watch music legends like Benny Goodman and Duke Ellington perform. 116 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: Much later, Asbury Park's biggest claim to fame would be 117 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: launching Bruce Springsteen's career. He was born just a few 118 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: miles away in Long Branch. While Asbury Park endured a 119 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: fire in nineteen seventeen that destroyed four blocks of the city, 120 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: the burning of the USS Morrow Castle was a tragedy 121 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: on an enormous scale. It brought national attention to the 122 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: theater and convention Center when news of the fire broke 123 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: as it was happening, though, the ship's burning was more 124 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: of a maccabre spectacle, with crowds gathering to watch the 125 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: conflagration as it slowly inched its way to shore, nearly 126 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: hitting the convention Center before making a turn and breaching 127 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: by the theater instead. Maybe it was because entertainment was 128 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: hard to come by in the middle of the Great 129 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: Depression when the Moroal Castle burned. Maybe it's because many 130 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: of the people living in the small seaside city had 131 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: never before seen a luxury liner, which broke speed records 132 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: when it launched and made weekly voyages for wealthy passengers 133 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: between New York and Havanna. But the event was absolutely 134 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: a spectacle that brought people in droves. Spectators created what 135 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: Gordon Thomas and Max Morgan Wits called an almost carnival 136 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: atmosphere where vendors of hot dogs, soft drinks and coffee 137 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: did risk business. It took a whole day for the 138 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: Morol Castle to drift ashore. The ship continued to smolder 139 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: for days, with explosions hampering efforts to search for potential 140 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: survivors on board. According to author Eric Larson, who wrote 141 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: about the Moral Castle disaster, the remains became a major 142 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: tourist attraction, with ordinary people driving to the city from 143 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: all over the Tri state area to pose for macabb 144 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: photos in front of the ship. In fact, the Asbury 145 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: Park City Council proposed keeping the ship there as a 146 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: permanent tourist attraction, only to reverse course when the idea 147 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: was condemned as gruesome. Official records say that five hundred 148 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: fifty people were on board the ship when it burned, 149 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: but some numbers, taking into account Cuban refuge children on 150 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: their way to America, placed the count as high as 151 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: six d twenty people. Nearly one hundred forty of them died, 152 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: many charred beyond identification. One survivor, Cuban national Renee Mendez Capote, 153 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: told the press, I am sure most of the passengers 154 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: burned to death while they slept. There was no warning. 155 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: I am alive only by luck, accident, or perhaps through 156 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: some higher power that watched over me. A contemporary newsreel 157 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: referred to it as a terrible tragedy of the sea, 158 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: equalled only by those of the Titanic and Lusitania footage 159 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: when the reel shows the ship still at sea, with 160 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: smoke streaming from the vessel and passengers visible in the water, 161 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: as well as locals pulling victims out of the surf 162 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,239 Speaker 1: on the Asbury Park beach. Some claim that the Paramount 163 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: was used as a makeshift morgue for victims of the fire, 164 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: but that claim is hard to substantiate. The majority of 165 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: unclaimed bodies were moved to a temporary morgue set up 166 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: at the National Guards station Camp more down the coast 167 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: in Seagirt. The legend may come from a wishing boat 168 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: called the Paramount, which was involved in picking up survivors 169 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: and bodies during the wreck. Whether or not the theater 170 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: was used as a morgue, it was definitely involved in 171 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: the tragedy. Rescuers made early attempts to reach the ships, 172 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: burned out wreckage from the building. According to a nineteen 173 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: thirty four news article in The Evening Courier, members of 174 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: the Coastguards stood on the promenade of the Convention Hall 175 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: and using a lile gun, fired a line aboard and 176 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: a breeches buoy was rigged up. At least one body 177 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: was brought back across from the Morrow Castle via this line, 178 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: although what happened to it after that is unclear. As 179 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: the article described, one body was taken off the Morrow Castle, 180 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: two had been found on the ship, and there was 181 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: no telling how many more were burned to death in 182 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: their cabins. When the searing flames swept through the liner, 183 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: the body was hoisted ashore by the breeches buoy. It 184 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: was burned beyond recognition, but it was believed that of 185 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: a man. The inspection party found another body, but could 186 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: not get to it because of the heat. Others, including journalists, 187 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: paid five dollars for use of this breach is booy 188 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: to access the ship, with an extra charge to rent 189 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: a gas mask or a flashlight. At least one man 190 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: used this opportunity to loot the ship of deceased passengers 191 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: personal items, including diamonds belonging to a Miss Katherine Cochrane, 192 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: whose body still lay in her suite alongside her jewels. 193 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: The Convention Center turned the Morrow Castle into a money 194 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: making endeavor. According to a contemporary account from The Evening Courier, 195 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: the center's management through the place open to the public 196 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: at twenty five cents admission. From the balconies of the hall, 197 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: a particularly good view could be obtained. A sign in 198 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: front of the hall read twenty five cents to see 199 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: the Ss morrow Castle. Benefit of the families who died. 200 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: It's estimated that in the six months the boat was 201 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: on the beach, over one hundred thousand people came to 202 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: see it. There was, though, some good news that came 203 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: from the tragedy. According to the Asbury Park Historical Society, 204 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: the devastating fire aboard the Morrow Castle was a cat 205 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: A list for improved shipboard fire safety. Today, the use 206 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: of fire retarded materials, automatic fire doors, and ship wide 207 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: fire alarms is a direct result of the Morrow Castle disaster. 208 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: The incident also led to greater attention being placed on 209 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: fire drills and lifeboat procedures. Because of all the increased tourism, 210 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: the theater saw a boost in attendance, with twice as 211 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: many people turning out for shows like Italian boxer Primo 212 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: Carnera's sparring demonstrations. It's likely that the Paramount even showed 213 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: one of the various news reels made of the Morrow Castle, 214 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: some footage of which was facilitated by the breaches booy 215 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: from the Convention Hall. Somehow, it was not the first 216 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: shipwreck to beach itself in that spot. In eighteen fifty four, 217 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: the New Era was sailing from Bremen to New York 218 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: when it ran aground and sank close to where the 219 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: Convention Hall now stands. Over two hundred people, mostly emigrants 220 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: from Germany, died in the tragedy, which helped spur the 221 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: creation of what is now the U. S Coast Guard. 222 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: Because a ship was the final resting place of many people, 223 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: to this day we still don't know the exact number, 224 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: and because it's spent so long on the beach next 225 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: to the complex, many believe that the ghosts of the 226 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: Morrow Castle is Dead still haunt the area around the 227 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: Convention Hall and Paramount Theater. One investigator claims to have 228 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: found an infant's footprint in the dust at the back 229 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: of the theater, and people report feeling cold spots throughout 230 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: the complex. A light bulb once crashed to the floor 231 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: for no apparent reason, and lights sometimes turn themselves on 232 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: and off. There are many accounts of shadow figures in 233 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: the space, especially on the balconies. If you've seen the 234 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: Paramount Theater episode of Kindred Spirits, you know that Adam 235 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: and I spotted many of those shadow figures while we 236 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: were there investigating, which also coincidentally happened to be on 237 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: the eight fifth anniversary of the Morrow Castle disaster. According 238 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: to Patricia Hire's book Haunted Jersey Shore, there are testimonies 239 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: of unexplained sounds such as voices, laughter, crying, and even 240 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: screaming in the space. She also wrote that audience members 241 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: claimed to have been admonished by a peculiar gray shadow 242 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: if they do not pay attention during a performance. Overnight. 243 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: Security guards have claimed to hear the conventions Hall pipe 244 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: organ playing. One insists that he once saw a shadow 245 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: figure in old fashioned clothing playing the organ. There are 246 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: also claims that two young women sometimes identified as cabaret 247 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: show girls, were burned to death in a dressing room 248 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: in the theater. I personally investigated this claim and found 249 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: there had been a fire near the dressing room area, 250 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: evidence of which is very apparent, but it actually happened 251 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties, and the fire itself was contained 252 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: to one room, a storage room, not the dressing rooms, 253 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: apparently started by a peanut roasting machine that had been 254 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: stored there. The extensive damage to the adjoining hallway and 255 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: former dressing room area is actually smoke and water damage 256 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: incurred while fighting that fire, and when sprinkler systems were triggered, 257 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: no one perished in this fire. All of his information 258 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: was verified by the local fire department. They even came 259 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: out to look at the damage and explained to me 260 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: personally how it happened. It pays to be a stubborn 261 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: researcher with a place with as much fraught history as 262 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: the paramount, though it's hard to separate fact from myth, 263 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: but I can tell you from personal experience that the 264 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: place is very haunted. Up next, we have Kathy Kelly 265 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: joining us. She is an Asbury Park paranormal investigator and 266 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: historical researcher who was the one who brought the Paramount 267 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: to my attention. She's been investigating there for years and 268 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: has many stories to share, so that is coming up 269 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: after the break. So I am currently joined by Kathy Kelly, 270 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: who is a paranormal investigator, a historical researcher, and also 271 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: the proprietor of Paranormal Books and Curiosities and Asbury Park, 272 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: New Jersey, which I highly recommend a visit to. So 273 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: thanks for joining us, Kathy, Oh, thanks so much for 274 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: having me. Of course, Now you are the one who 275 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: brought the Paramount to Kindred Spirits, like you had investigated 276 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: it many times and you thought it would make a 277 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: great case for us, which it did. It turned out 278 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: to be one of the most interesting we've done, and 279 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: lots of paranormal activity, which is not necessarily rare in theaters. 280 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: I find theaters to be exceptionally haunted. So can you 281 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: just kind of tell me, like how you started to 282 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: investigate at the Paramount and how you found out about 283 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: the haunts going on there. Sure, Well, the Paramount, obviously, 284 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: you know this is one of these grand old theaters, 285 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: and it's from the very early part of the twentieth century, 286 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: and you know it's one of those places that as 287 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: soon as you walk in, kind of the weight of 288 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: history settles around you and you just you just feel something. 289 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: And in two thousand and seven, I had been to 290 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: the theater several times, but I was actually invited to 291 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: come and investigate with a couple of local investigators, kind 292 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: of casual local investigators, and they had been working with 293 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: some of the guys that actually took care of the place. 294 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: Um And in two thousand and seven, the Paramount was 295 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: in a much more advanced state of disrepair than it 296 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: is right now. So it had been it had never 297 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: been completely vacant, but it had been quiet for a 298 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: very very long time. And when we went in, I'm 299 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: kind of a skeptical investigator, you know, And when we 300 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: went in, I was tagging along in this investigation, and 301 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: I had one of the most i would say profound 302 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:35,479 Speaker 1: experiences that I've ever had as an investigator. And it 303 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: was probably the primary reason why I ended up opening 304 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: Paranormal Books and Curiosities in Asbury Park was because of 305 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: that building. That's so interesting. So now we have to 306 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: know what was the experience. So we were up in 307 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: the back hallway, which I'm sure you remember from your investigation. 308 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: There's a point where you have kind of the modern 309 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: section of the building, and then you have this section 310 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: that looks like it was in a fire and it's 311 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: burnt out, and there's not a whole lot in there 312 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: that's modern, right, it's kind of a dark area. And 313 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: there's this long hallway and this is where people had 314 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: reported a lot of activity. And I was there, and 315 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: I was right at this doorway where people had claimed 316 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: to see a man standing and then he was kind 317 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: of protective and kind of aggressive, you know, or aggressively 318 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: defensive of that particular area. And I was standing there 319 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: and I wasn't really feeling anything, but there was a 320 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: light bulb on this little shelf that was right behind 321 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: the doorway, and the doorway was open, and we were 322 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: standing there, and the investigators that I was with were well, 323 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: they were trying to do e v P. But they 324 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: were provoking, not really negatively, but a little bit aggressively, 325 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: you know, kind of like prove you're here and you 326 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 1: know nobody believes you're here, that kind of a thing. 327 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: And um, I would say the shelf was about six 328 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: ft behind us, and there were probably about eight people, 329 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: and it was four and four so so we had 330 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: created this little alleyway kind of and the lead investigator 331 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: was getting more and more aggressive. You could feel the 332 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: kind of the energy in the space just getting tighter 333 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: and tighter and tighter, almost like you're like something's going 334 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: to happen. And all of a sudden, that light bulb 335 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: came off of the shelf and just went about fifteen 336 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: feet between us and ended up smashing on the wall 337 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: on the other side of the eight of us. And 338 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: for the life of me, I cannot figure out how 339 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: that could happen in a non paranormal way. I mean, 340 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: I mean, I just I just can't. And I just 341 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: remember that moment being like, I don't know what caused it, 342 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if it was us, it 343 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: was our energy of the energy of the space, But 344 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: I just remember at that moment saying, oh my god, 345 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: there's something to this, you know, like as investigators, you're 346 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: always looking for that ah ha moment. And I think 347 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: that was one of the biggest aha moments for me. 348 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: And there was one of the guys that worked in 349 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: the building was there, Jason, you know Jason, he was there, 350 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: and he looked at me and he smirked We had 351 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: many conversations where I was like, it's probably that, but 352 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: it could be this, and I was always very dismissive 353 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: of it, and he just looked at me like, see 354 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: and I and honestly I did. I saw that moment. 355 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: It wasn't frightening, you know. I didn't feel like it 356 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: was aggressive or like, but it was startling and it 357 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: was dramatic. And I've investigated there many, many times and 358 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: we've always gotten some interesting things, but never anything quite 359 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: as dramatic as that. But that was enough for me 360 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: to say, I don't necessarily know what's going on in 361 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: this building, but something is. You know. It's funny because 362 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: there's two types of people. There are the people who 363 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: when that would happen, they would book it on out 364 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: of there and never return. And then there are the 365 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: people that are like, huh, my interest is piqud and 366 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: I was curious. That was very strange. Had that light 367 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: bulb just flew fifteen feet and smashed against the wall. 368 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: I feel like there's something to this. Yeah, now, I 369 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: love that, And I do find that many investigators have 370 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: that kind of aha moment, and then I also feel 371 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: like the location where they have them kind of becomes 372 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 1: near and dear to them, you know. And I think 373 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: that's really pertinent when you talk about the Paramount, because 374 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: we've had many conversations about it over the years and 375 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: just all of the wild things that happened there, and 376 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: kind of like I touched on earlier, there's something about theaters, 377 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: and obviously the history of the Paramount is wild, but 378 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: there is even without that history. There are many theaters 379 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: that seem to have their ghosts and and not necessarily 380 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: connected to a death or a tragedy. Just I mean, 381 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: I personally believe it has a lot to do with 382 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: the energy of theaters and because there's not really much 383 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: that happens in a theater that isn't high energy. That's 384 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: the point of every performance is to reach the person 385 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 1: in the very back of the room. That's my thought anyway, 386 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: on why they're haunted, I totally agree. I also think 387 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: that when people are singing and people are laughing, and 388 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: people are doing these things, it's called raising your spirits 389 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: for a reason, right, right, So it's like elevating. And 390 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: maybe there's a physiological component to this, and I'm sure 391 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: there is, with the release of endorphins and all of that, 392 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: but I do think that there's a lightning of your 393 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: spirit when you're in the theater and when people are 394 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: performing and they're giving their all, but the audience is 395 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: so receptive to that. And I always think of theaters 396 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: as being like a battery where you have these high emotional, 397 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: high energy moments and it just kind of affords whatever 398 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: might be around a lot of energy to attach itself 399 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: too and to use, you know. And there's a reason 400 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: why they call it a ghost light. Um, there's lots 401 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 1: of fun stories like that. But I agree. I've always 402 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: found theaters to be for some reason. I think we're 403 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: touching on probably why to be really active. And that's 404 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: really cool. Now, do you if somebody is going to 405 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: investigate the Paramount or visiting the Paramount, what would you 406 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: say is the most prevalent type of activity they could 407 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: encounter there? So to me, I think there's like the 408 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: big things that people have heard about. Everybody always wants 409 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: to go to that hallway because they've heard this story, 410 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: But that's not where I've always felt the most experiences 411 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: or where I think there's the most activity. I would 412 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: say a real sense of presence, like to be very 413 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: aware that you're not necessarily going to see something. You're 414 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,239 Speaker 1: not necessarily going to hear something, although you could in 415 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: this particular place, you definitely could, but to be very 416 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: aware of a sense of someone around you. I do 417 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: think that if you're on that stage and you're looking 418 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: out into the and you've been on that stage, it's 419 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: it's a big old vaudevillian stage, like it is a 420 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: really cool building. You can see movement. You really could 421 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: see movement. And I know that everybody that works there 422 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: talks about hearing things, but for me, it was always 423 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: just the sense that there's someone around you. And I 424 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: know for a lot of people that doesn't seem like enough, 425 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: but for when you've been investigating long enough, you don't 426 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: really care that much about what you capture on your equipment. 427 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: It's really more about what you experience in this space. 428 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: And to me, there's just always in differ in places 429 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: you can really feel presences, right. I definitely got that 430 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: vibe there, especially up on the stage. I remember someone 431 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: telling us a wild experience there about how they literally 432 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: saw like a shadow envelop like half the stage and 433 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: then go up and over them, and that was something 434 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: that I hadn't really heard before. And there seems to 435 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: be a lot of shadow activity there that doesn't necessarily 436 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: always look human in shape, Like we saw something in 437 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: the seats at one point. I actually captured something on 438 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: video up in the seats, like it looked like almost 439 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: the size of a child, but there wasn't really like 440 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: a humanoid shape to it. Have you seen these shadow figures? Yeah, 441 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: In fact, I remember I've seen it a couple of times. 442 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: And I had done an investigation one time with someone 443 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: who was one of the larger fleer thermal cams, and 444 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: we were up on the stage and we were just 445 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: kind of doing a quick pass through of all of 446 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: the seats, right, a quick kind of you know, let's 447 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: just get a shot of everything. And there was one 448 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: seat about halfway up that had dropped down and you 449 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: could see a warm you know, that the seat was 450 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: warmer than all of the others, as as if someone 451 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: had just gotten up and left. That is something where 452 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: you have to look at it and you say, let's 453 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: see if there's like some kind of heating element underneath, 454 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: let's say, but there wasn't. It just it really was 455 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 1: one of those things where it's just that is just 456 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: very strange, and it shouldn't have happened. But while we 457 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: were standing there, I remember looking out at the entire 458 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: space and it gets very dark in there, but there's 459 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: always a little bit of light, right because they have 460 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: those beautiful stained glass windows and stuff like that, there's 461 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: always a little bit of ambient light that comes through 462 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: and your eyes kind of acclimate to it. And I 463 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:46,959 Speaker 1: remember seeing what looked like a dark blob and it 464 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: was up in the balcony and it looked like it 465 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: ran up the stairs and out a door. But the 466 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: only door up there actually goes to the projection booth, 467 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: and it's not an easy thing. It's locked, and you 468 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: go to the projec action booth and you have to 469 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: go up a catwalk and it's it's not a simple thing. 470 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: But we all ran up to follow it because we 471 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: all saw it. And when we got up there, we 472 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: realized that the door was locked and there was no 473 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: place for this, whatever this was, to have gone um, 474 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: And that's something that I physically saw myself. But I 475 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: will tell you you know, I've been in Asby Park 476 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: now for fifteen years, and the Paramount has hosted some 477 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: pretty big bands, and I would say for like the 478 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: first ten years I was in asmy park, there wasn't 479 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: a whole lot to do, so they would all eventually 480 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: get down to paranormal, you know, they're wandering through town. 481 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: And I can tell you that I've gotten probably I 482 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: don't know, two or three dozen reports from people who 483 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,719 Speaker 1: performed there and who were in the green room and 484 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: who spend time they're doing rehearsals, who have come in 485 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: and just said, this place is haunted, right, because this 486 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 1: is what happened to me. And they invariably talk about 487 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: shadow figures in the audience that they see when they're rehearsing. 488 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: It's so funny because I think about that sometimes, about 489 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 1: how a lot of us have touched on the idea 490 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: that maybe spirits sometimes just kind of go about their 491 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: business in the world and we might not even know 492 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: that they are not a live person, you know, And 493 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: it makes me wonder if sometimes that anonymous nature applies 494 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: in a theater, especially where they can sit in kind 495 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: of the seats amongst the living and just enjoy a show. 496 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: And then sometimes they might just also want to watch 497 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: a sound checker two, you know, and because they're not limited, 498 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: they can come and go and they could be attracted 499 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: to the energy that's being provided by the stage. One 500 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: of the weird things that happens in The Paramount that 501 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: I've gotten all the time from people is there seems 502 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 1: to be something that likes to mess with one of 503 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: the bathrooms. And the paramounts an old, old theater and 504 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: it hasn't been completely renovated yet. So when you go 505 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: into the ladies room on the first floor, it's a 506 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: one bathroom bathroom, so there's always a huge line of women, 507 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: you know, waiting to use it. And the lock is 508 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: literally one of those you just turn it and it 509 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: locks right. And people report being in the bathroom and 510 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: having the lock jiggle and like as if someone is 511 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: trying to get in, and then they open up the 512 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: door and they walk out and they see this line 513 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: of women and they're kind of like, hey, I was 514 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: in there, and then women look at them like, yeah, 515 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: we know. So no one had touched the lock, but 516 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: from the inside there was this kind of interaction to 517 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: kind of spook them. And I do think it's funny 518 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: because you get this a lot in theaters too, and 519 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: maybe it's water related, I don't really know, but you 520 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: do get that kind of where people on the outside 521 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: are not having that experience, but people on the inside are. 522 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: And it's just one of those funny things that when 523 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: you hear someone tell a story one time, you think, Okay, 524 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: that's an interesting story. But when you hear the same 525 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: story told by dozens of people over many years, and 526 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: these people don't know each other, then you have to 527 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: start saying, well, that's actually a real phenomena. And I 528 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: don't know the cause of it, but I definitely know 529 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: what's happening. And in the paramount, there's a lot of 530 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: these little unique experiences that don't seem to be related 531 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: to each other. There's the thing in the upstairs dressing room, 532 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: there's the stuff that you see on the stage. There's 533 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: the thing that's that happens in the projection, there's the 534 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: thing that happens in the bathroom. And it all seems 535 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: to be happening in the theater, but not related to 536 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: each other at all. And that's so interesting to me, 537 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: Like I always wonder that, like, why is it that 538 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: in the afterlife a spirit chooses to jiggle a bathroom 539 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: door lock up to scare poor ladies in the restroom, 540 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: which which is when we feel like the most vulnerable 541 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: you know, especially if you're wearing you know, like a 542 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: jumpsuit and you have to take the whole thing off. 543 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: You know, there's a line of women waiting, so you're 544 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: you know, that is hysterical. But I mean, I guess 545 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: maybe if and when I become a ghost, maybe I'll 546 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: be a little prankster like that. Now that means said, 547 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: have you had any e vps that have come out 548 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: of the Paramount and if so, what have they been saying. 549 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: You know, we've gotten a few e v p use 550 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: over the course of the years. Some of them have 551 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: been very strange and that they don't seem to be 552 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: related to the Paramount at all, but they seem to 553 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: be related more to kind of like casual life in 554 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: Asbury Park. We got one where we got someone who 555 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: said that their name was Josh, you know, in response 556 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: to what's your name? My name is Josh. It actually 557 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,719 Speaker 1: didn't say my name is Josh, It said Josh. And 558 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: then you know, what are you doing here? And I'm 559 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: fishing and the Paramount is right on the beach and 560 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: it's actually on where a jetty used to be. We 561 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: also got we got music one time which was nobody 562 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: heard and it was just kind of recorded. And then 563 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: we did get something in the projection booth once it 564 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: was just a name and the name was art, but 565 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: again nothing that was directly related to the theater itself, 566 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: because the theater it's not anyone's home, but it might 567 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: be something that they were like transitioning through. I mean 568 00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: that makes sense because the activity, it's not always super 569 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: interactive there. It does seem very energy based, and I 570 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: guess residual and nature not to undermine what it is, 571 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: because there is a lot of activity there, but it 572 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: doesn't always seem like it's necessarily aware of you. And 573 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: I think that sometimes we investigate places so many times, 574 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying this about the paramount per se, 575 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: but sometimes we investigate places so many times that I 576 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: do feel like spirits kind of detect that energy of 577 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: like people calling out and reaching out, and so they 578 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: might come in even though they're not necessarily affiliated with 579 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: that location. And I think the same thing could be 580 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: said for theaters, like that energy of a live audience 581 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: of people milling about outside, and I think that might 582 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: attract some sort of spiritual activity on its own. And 583 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: given where this place is, I mean, it's not in 584 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: the middle of a city. Really it's right on the ocean, 585 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: and there is this kind of seasonal component to it too. 586 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: I have investigated the Paramount when Asbury Park was an 587 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: absolute ghost town, and I've investigated the Paramount, you know, 588 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: when it's blown up and been like one of the 589 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: larger resort towns on the East Coast, and it's different. 590 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: It's different when there's more energy in the area. I'm 591 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: a believer that location matters, and I'm a believer that 592 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: the ocean is a living thing with a lot of energy, 593 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: and I do think that there's different conductive properties to 594 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: water and things like that, and I agree, I don't 595 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: necessarily think that everything that people ascribe what happens in 596 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: the Paramount to certain historical events, and maybe they're right. 597 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that we have enough 598 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: evidence to actually say that. But it's one of those 599 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: places where you stand there, you feel the weight of 600 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: its history, and if you stand there long enough, you're 601 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: going to see something. I will say, I think most 602 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: of what happens in the Paramount is residual, but we 603 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: definitely have seen reactive things as well. I can't think 604 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: of a theater of that size that is low hated, 605 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: so close to an ocean, you can literally there's an 606 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: area on the other side of the Paramount, which is 607 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: Convention Hall, but they're attached and they're essentially the same 608 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: building that they actually called the Overlook because it looks 609 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: a little bit like something from the Shining, but also 610 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: because it literally hangs over the ocean. In Hurricane Sandy, 611 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: there was ocean water in the paramount, that's how close 612 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: the ocean is to it. And it is a really 613 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: unique space given its proximity to the ocean and kind 614 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: of the shifting sands that it's on, and interesting historical 615 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: things have definitely happened there. Certainly tragedies have happened in 616 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: the area, and you kind of wonder if maybe people 617 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: knowing the stories, believing the stories don't in some way 618 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: impact kind of the experiences that people have there. Oh, 619 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: I definitely think that happens. I find Asbury Park so 620 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,959 Speaker 1: interesting because the first time I went there, we were 621 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: filming an episode of Ghost Hunters at a local I 622 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: think it's like a museum or something. And I can't 623 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: remember exactly how many years go that was, but probably 624 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: close to fifteen years ago, and it was a different 625 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,720 Speaker 1: town than when we recently went back. It has completely 626 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: come back like it's such a dynamic and beautiful place, 627 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: and I mean, people really rallied to make that happen. 628 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: It's a really wonderful place to visit. The architecture and 629 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: kind of the Art deco nature of all the buildings 630 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: in town is just beautiful, and there's not a lot 631 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: of places that can say that. And so I do 632 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 1: think it's so interesting that the theater's energy has kind 633 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 1: of changed with the vibe of the town. I love 634 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: to hear that so and you know, and I think 635 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: that you play a big part in that too. You 636 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,439 Speaker 1: are such a lover of the town and I think 637 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: you should be commended on some of the work you've 638 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: done there very much. So, Okay, how can people find 639 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: Kathy Kelly? Obviously they should go to your store, but 640 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 1: then you also do some events and things. And Adam 641 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: and I love you, We love the research you do, 642 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: we love how through you are, We love you know, 643 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: having you be involved in the case on Kindred when 644 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: we did the paramount. So shout yourself out and thank you, 645 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: thanks so much for or even thinking of me. But 646 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram as at the Paranormal Museum. We're on 647 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: Facebook as Paranormal New Jersey. Our website is Paranormal Books 648 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: and j dot com and we are open to the 649 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,919 Speaker 1: public and we do lots of different events and we've 650 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: been around for fifteen years, so we're kind of a 651 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,760 Speaker 1: mainstay in Asbury Park. Certainly, if you've ever visit Asbrey 652 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: Park and you ask anybody about paranormal, they'll know where 653 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: we are. Yeah, I mean, I have to say, I 654 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: think yours was the first Crampus Parade I ever attended, 655 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: or Crampus um. That was really one of the reading 656 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 1: on the Naughty List, the reading of the Naughty List, 657 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: and it was so so locals can actually I think 658 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: they could like actually put in their naughty things they 659 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: did or something, and then it was amazing. That was 660 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 1: so much fun. So well, I really enjoyed that. I 661 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: love talking to you as always. Thank you so much 662 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: for joining and filling us in on the activity at 663 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: the Paramount Theater. Thank you so much for having me, 664 00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: and he was great talking to I've investigated many a 665 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: theater that didn't seem to have much tragedy attached to them, 666 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: but remained ridiculously Haunted. As Kathy and I discussed, I 667 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: really do theorize it has to do with the energy 668 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: of a performance and of an audience, and the emotion 669 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: and passion of artists and staff. But not many can 670 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: claim a tragedy like the Paramount, and well, it's hard 671 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,720 Speaker 1: to imagine that not having to do with the haunting 672 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: of the Paramount. I'm not sure it does. Regardless of 673 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: my thoughts, the theater remains one very spiritual place. Not 674 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 1: to mention, it's a gorgeous example of the grand theaters 675 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: of yesterday. I highly recommend a visit. Also, you didn't 676 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,959 Speaker 1: hear it from me, but there's some pretty incredible ice 677 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: cream available right outside of it on the boardwalk. I'm 678 00:36:48,600 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 1: Amy Brunei and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is 679 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Radio and Grimm and Mild from 680 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: Aaron Mankey. Haunted Road is hosted and written by me 681 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 1: Amy Bruney additional research by Taylor Haggerdorn. The show is 682 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: edited and produced by rema El Kali and supervising producer 683 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: Josh Thing and executive producers Aaron Mankey, Alex Williams, and 684 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: Matt Frederick. For more podcasts from I heart Radio, visit 685 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: the I heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you 686 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows.