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This is a story of race, 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.520 This is a story of policing. This is a story 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:44.200 of how we live together as Americans. And it's incredibly 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:49.720 powerful and it couldn't have been done without bodycam footage. 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:52.960 So if you haven't seen it, it's on Netflix now. 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:59.200 I highly recommend it. It's powerful, it's disturbing, it's it's 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:04.400 it's also heartbreaking. As we were just discussing its grief 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.400 and rage, as Geita will tell you, all wrapped up 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.480 in one and Giza joins me. Now, Gita, how did 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.000 I do introducing your film? 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:13.480 That was great? Thank you so much for having me. 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.080 You're first of all, it's nominated for all sorts of awards. 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:20.920 How important is an Academy award to you? 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:25.080 So the Academy Award is a huge honor. I think 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:27.920 it's every you know, it's a dream. Honestly, it's a 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.080 dream and sometimes feels like a pipe dream, you know, 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:35.200 in our in our field. But I think what makes 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:40.119 it so significant it's that it's our peers who vote right, 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:44.480 people that we admire, people that inspire us, our idols, 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:50.040 our colleagues, you know, so that community feels so meaningful, 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:54.000 and the idea that they choose your film of the many, many, 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:58.640 many disturbing films means so much. So that makes it 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:04.200 an incredible honor again a dream. I think beyond that though, 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.560 to all the awards really give us a platform to 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:11.000 talk about the issues that and the impact that we 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.800 want to have goes far beyond the film. We're really 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.880 hoping for change, that the film will be a vehicle 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:21.719 for change. So I think the the there's two things 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.360 that come into play with the awards. The just the 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.680 honor of it all, and so grateful that the platform 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:30.000 is equally important. 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.720 No, and you know, kudos to Netflix for making you know, 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.279 for promoting it. Not just there's one thing to just 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:38.640 put it on your streamer. It's another thing to actually 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:40.200 promoted and make sure people can see it. 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:44.040 Which they could have honestly, And this was an independent film. 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:48.120 We made this independently. My team Message Pictures, Park Pictures 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:52.320 joined us, SOB Productions also joined us. We were a 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:57.640 very small but mighty scrappy team for very little money. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:02.160 We also got some development funding, but the from Peacock, 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.360 but they chose not to take the film ultimately, so 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:09.320 we but use it, you know, small resources. But the 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:15.680 Sundance Film Festival accepted the film and really give that platform. 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:20.400 That was our first premiere, and after that Netflix made 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.479 us an offer. So Netflix took it to the next 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.640 level again, a global platform. 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:28.960 Look, my head is in two different places. Like one part, 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:31.920 I want to talk about the decision to go without 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.719 a narrator and to use all the body cam footage. 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:36.039 On the other hand, I do think we should spend 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.520 a few minutes on the story itself. Sure, and so 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.800 I want to begin with there, which is what did 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.800 you when did you become you know, how closely were 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:49.320 you following this story in real time in Marion County, Florida. 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.520 You know, I hate to say it, when I watched this, 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:57.760 it was a very you know, I knew a little 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:59.440 something about the story itself, so I knew I was 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:04.760 going to end. But that community, that fight, I've seen 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:09.839 that it's a very familiar thing. What was unfamiliar was 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.240 to see it chronicled, yeah, right in real time, and 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.880 that's what made it, I think so powerful. But I 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.600 am curious, what was your familiarity with the story at 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:20.640 different points in time while it was unfolding. 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:24.520 Sure, so there is a personal connection to this story 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:28.200 because Ajaca Owens was a family friend. So you were 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.839 involved from the minute that had happened. Unfortunately, from the 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:32.240 minute that. 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:35.800 You you knew immediately you were brought in. Did you 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:39.400 know about what was happening in that neighborhood before. 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.760 She was killed? No, we didn't, and we myself and 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:46.000 Mama said, we am talking about myself and my husband, 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.520 who's also a producer on the film that come onto 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:52.920 and my teammate message picture is Alisa Payne and Sam Pollard. 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:57.680 You're my producing partners. We got a distress call though, 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.640 from my sister in law who was best friends with 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.520 Ajaca Owens. And when I say sister in law, she's 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:08.120 really my cousin in law. But we culturally don't differentiate 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.160 like she's We're very close. That's my sister in law. 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:12.600 I've got cousins. 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.600 Yeah, exactly so, but just you know, in case anybody 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.480 wants to, you know, wants to fact check it. Cousin 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:22.720 in law. But we got we got a call the 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:26.120 night that had happened, and We're immediately on the ground 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:30.640 trying to support the family and helping gathering the children 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:35.000 and getting Achica's mother into town. And also we were 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.560 very aware that the story needed to be in the 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:41.920 media because without media attention, cases like Ajica's often get 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.200 swept under the rung. I mean, there's so much gun violence, 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:48.640 unfortunately in our society that it's almost an everyday occurrence. 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.600 There's another story of somebody getting. 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:54.040 Shot and neighbor dispute with it turning into a deadly 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:58.520 gunshot is sadly almost it probably is a daily occurrence. 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:03.120 Daily occurrence, right more or less. So we were because 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.320 we work in media, our team, that's what we felt 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:10.080 we could do and how we could help. And Susan 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.480 was not immediately arrested because of stanyr ground laws. They 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:16.480 had to stand your ground investigation, and we have the 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.320 precedent of the Trayvon Martin case that happened in Florida, 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.280 so we were deeply concerned that there would be no 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:26.280 justice for Ajica. And then about two months later, Susan 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.480 was eventually arrested. About two months later, we received the 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.600 body camera footage from the family lawyers and who we 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:36.440 were still involved with the family and again still trying 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.400 to support the case because we didn't know. Again, we 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:41.800 were worried it might languish, you know, it could take 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:46.360 years for anything to happen. But the footage came to 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.000 us and they asked us to go through it. They 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:50.480 were like, can you look through it? Is there anything 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.200 in here for the media? And it was about thirty 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.880 hours of material, and I was shocked. I'd never seen 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.640 that much footage around a case before. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:04.320 Can I just say, I'm I was oddly impressed with 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:10.600 how much there was and how you know, I'm a 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.480 cynic on this stuff. I assume all these guys are 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:14.040 going to turn it off when the real you know, 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:17.520 and they there was so much there. It felt real. 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.439 It felt like I got a real sense of how 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:23.079 Marion County Police officers handle these disputes. 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.000 Yes, now one percent, and they were there so often 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:29.800 because Susan called so often. But I think what struck 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:34.360 me is that you got to see in this footage 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.959 the community as they were before, and it was undeniable. 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:41.880 You got to see this beautiful multi racial community living together, 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.880 loving each other, acting like a big extended family, taking 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.000 care of the kids, you know, and you got to 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:52.960 see the kids playing outside, being precocious and funny, and 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:57.960 you know, I loved And because there is so much 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:02.000 gun violence, we are used to the grieving family. We 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.760 know the aftermath of what happens, but we never get 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:08.040 to see them before. And to me, the story of 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.720 this community and what they had to go through and 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:14.240 how one outlier who was emboldened by Stanley ground laws 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:20.400 plus combined with our access to guns, disrupted their whole world. 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.160 What did you know? What when did you know you 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:27.079 had a film? 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.840 Sure? So when when we saw the body camera. 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.920 Footage, immediately were like, this is I can do something 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:33.880 with that? No? 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.120 Because not because what Because like I said, it was 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.800 thirty hours. It came in a jumble, It came on 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.559 a thumb drive and there were folders. But there's the 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:48.960 cops unintentionally function like multi camera with the you know, 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.960 with the footage, because sometimes there were two of them unseen. 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.960 Sometimes there was a little it could be a little uh, 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.079 it was a little love. Don't I don't want to 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.760 say it, you know, sort of like wait what I mean? 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:02.439 You know it's sort of dizzying, yeah. 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah, But this is again the nature, this 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.600 is not production footage, right, they just just it's pleas evidence. 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.640 But I spent about two weeks along with Nikon Kwan 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:16.000 two my again my producer and partner, stringing it into 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.240 a timeline. I used to be an editor, so I 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:23.199 pieced it together and synchronized all the footage and the sound, 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:27.960 and also took time to figure out the chronology. And 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.320 it was once we had the whole thing strung out 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:33.120 and we watched it down and we could understand the 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.160 chronology and what happened, that's when I was like, Aha, 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:38.880 the family. 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:41.720 So one of the things I was curious about is 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.440 that the family attorney immediately asked for body cam footage 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.880 for every incident that had ever taken place differ in 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:48.440 that neighborhood. 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.280 Okay, I asked, of course for the court case, that's 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.199 what they would need, right, So they asked for everything, 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.640 and what you see in the film is pretty much 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:00.880 what we got. What the what the lawyers were given. 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:04.400 There was also some ring whether it's some doorbell cameras 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:05.520 or wing cameras as well. 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:07.960 Right, I was part of it also because that was 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:11.400 collected as evidence. But I think the thing that to 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:15.040 me that struck me was that I felt like the 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.120 footage played like a horror film. It played to me, 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.600 I thought of films. I come from a scripted background. 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.839 Originally I came up with Spike Lee and Sam Pollard. 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:26.000 And actually it had a Jaws vibe to me, the 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:29.120 original Jaws, right, which is the you know, the initial 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:33.000 Steven Spielberg horror creator of that moment of where you 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:36.200 don't see, you don't see the menace, but you know 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:41.240 it's coming out there. That's what I felt. Body came, 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:43.240 You're just like I had it. I just got the 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:47.320 Jaws vibe in that sense because you know it's building up, 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.480 but you don't know when it's coming, but you know 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:50.040 it's coming. 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.320 Nobody has said Jaws before. I love that. The references 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:57.240 for me were paranormal activity and you know things that 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:00.800 used and also the Blair Witch Project, like films that 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:04.480 were made sure that was meant to be found footage 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:08.640 or you know again CCTV footage, surveillance camera footage. So 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.600 those were sort of my references, and I wanted to 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:17.200 make something that was immersive, that would grip audiences and 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.760 hold them. Oftentimes, when we make documentaries, particularly if they're 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:24.679 social justice, sometimes people don't want to, you know, they 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.000 don't want to hear it, like or they're not interested, 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:27.839 you know. 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:32.040 I that was Look, I had my wife. I was saying, 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:33.760 I'm going to watch this film an internet. She's like, 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:37.280 I don't know, Like you know, I know this story. 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:43.120 I don't know right, Like because you're right. And that's 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:44.760 why I'm like, no, people, you need to see this. 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:46.960 You need to see it because it's a groundmaking way 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.400 to make a movie. Number one. So there's a technical 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.840 aspect of this that's I mean, I'm not a voter, 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:55.960 but if I were to me, this is why to me, 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.720 it's an e're the easy winner simply because it's both 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:03.480 a technically you've done something new and interesting and different 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:08.040 in a basically because we now have all this stuff 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.960 we didn't. You know, you couldn't have made this with 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:13.520 with Trayvon Martin. It didn't exist. But one of the 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:17.680 other no, no, no, and so and then there's the powerful 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.000 story itself that you tell where you don't have to. 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:27.320 You're not trying, You're you're you're helping people get to 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.720 a place, but you're not preaching. You're not telling people 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:34.360 what should be, what to think. You're just showing you're 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.520 letting us decide what should be and you're like, that 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:37.200 wasn't right. 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.800 Thank you for that. Now we trust our audience. I 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:41.360 think that was a big part of it. We were 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:43.360 are beliefs that we could live in this body camera 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:46.440 footage and the you know, the police evidence footage. And 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:48.280 there was a couple of thoughts. One was that we 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.080 didn't want to go back and retraumatize the community by 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:55.080 making them relive it again interviewing them. They've they've already 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.640 been interviewed by detectives, they've lived it, like I didn't 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:02.800 want to to burden them with that. Then the other 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.040 part of it is we felt the body camera footage 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.840 was really undeniable. And right now we live in a 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:11.360 time where everything the media does is questioned, and with 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:15.280 this footage, there was no film crew on the ground, 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:20.520 right there was We were not there directing anything. So again, 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:25.120 because it is police evidence, you see things exactly as 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:29.000 they happened, no one, there was no outside journalist influencing, 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:33.920 So I think that makes it undeniable to audiences. And 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:38.320 also you can see in this footage again how this 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:44.400 community was oftentimes after after people of color in particular, 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:48.360 are victimized after a crime happens to us. We are 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.920 often criminalized and our children are adultified. And we felt 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.200 in the footage again the police did not mean to 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:58.680 capture this, but they did that. Again. This community, this 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.800 incredible community, and this like you have the mother who says, 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:03.680 you know, all these kids, they're all mine, and the 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:05.400 father comes out and is like, I look out for 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.000 these kids like they're my own. You see in footage, 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.720 even footage that Susan shot, the adults playing football with 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.880 the kids like it was and the kids are outside 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:19.160 having like you know, healthy connected fun. 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:23.000 And I think what all of our political leaders say, Hey, 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:24.880 kids seem to be outside more, not in front of 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.200 their screens. Right, these kids were outside. 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:30.320 They were outside, and I think and also you saw 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:34.840 a community of upstanders like Susan the two neighbors, and 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.960 it wasn't It's interesting because even though it is about race, 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.920 and Susan tried to weaponize race. You know, you see 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:44.040 the two neighbors that AA that lived on either side 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.520 of Ochica or white women and were complete upstanders. 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:49.800 What I saw it as is this is why it's 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:51.800 a familiar community to me in Florida. There are a 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.760 lot of this is just a working class middle sort 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.760 of what i've working class, you know, strivers is what 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:01.760 I would call it, right, working crash driver community who 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:03.880 like don't want to live in an apartment complex with 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:07.000 their kids, want their kids to have more of a 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:08.960 of a of a of a you know, sort of 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:13.520 that whatever whatever, the idealized version of growing up in 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.320 a neighborhood and all that stuff. And they're and you know, 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.520 these communities are all over Florida. It's sort of what 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:22.439 makes Florida an attractive melting pot to many people and 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:23.800 why they move. And it's affordable. 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.800 It's the best of us. 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Ye had the Clint Eastwood movie where 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:18.600 he's the old man, uh boy Tornado or something like that, 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:23.520 where grand grandson, grand Tarino. 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:24.880 That's right. 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:28.359 And then I was thinking of the that Michael Douglas 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:31.560 movie right falling Down whatever, you know, the whole white grievance, 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:35.359 white rage. Right. She she felt like a very familiar character, 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:39.639 right that we'd seen portrayed. But here was here here 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:43.639 I think there's there's this assumption that maybe these folks 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:44.679 no longer exist. 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:47.800 No, well, she very very much must exist. 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:52.040 I'm curious, did you want to what did you? I was? 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:55.040 I wanted to know more of like how did she 0:21:55.160 --> 0:22:00.119 become so broken? She's broken, there's no doubt she's broken. 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:02.240 We don't know what's it. 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:05.040 We don't know this. You know, she moved into the 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:09.920 neighborhood two years before everything happened, and we don't have 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:13.120 much of her backstory, you know, Nor did we want 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:14.200 to speculate on it. 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:17.400 No, I get that too, but it's clear she some 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:21.920 somebody something something, She's broken. And you know, I don't 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:24.760 know who knows when it happened, right, might have happened 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:26.800