Speaker 1: This is Gavin Newsom and our conversation with Ryan Murphy continues.
Speaker 1: What you mentioned Ted Netflix, I mean, so whole the
Speaker 1: whole streaming thing. But now it's interesting you're kind of
Speaker 1: back a little bit that sort of Disney Hulu FX
Speaker 1: yeah thing. I mean, but where's you said Hollywood's going younger?
Speaker 1: I mean, is is that a time of life or
Speaker 1: is that a state of mind? What do you mean younger?
Speaker 1: It's always isn't it been a youth? I mean, what's
Speaker 1: what's what's your journey here since eighty nine? I mean,
Speaker 1: where where are we in terms of now We'll get
Speaker 1: into tax credits, competitiveness in a minute, but I'm just
Speaker 1: curious just what you meant by youth and younger people,
Speaker 1: what streaming means to you, what's sort of what's the
Speaker 1: state of play from that perspective? Because you've seen every
Speaker 1: damn side of this, You've been part of each side
Speaker 1: of this.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because you know, I've kind of been at
Speaker 2: this now since nineteen ninety eight. Was my first show, Popular.
Speaker 2: It was a very cult show. It ran two years.
Speaker 2: Leslie Bibb, who was on White Lotus, was one of
Speaker 2: her first starring roles. So I've been through a lot
Speaker 2: of different changes, you know, like that two thousand two,
Speaker 2: two thousand and thirteen, fourteen was very like prestige push
Speaker 2: it as much sex and blood and gore, and you know,
Speaker 2: it was like that. It was like the period the
Speaker 2: of the white male anti hero. You know, if you
Speaker 2: look at the Sopranos, mad Men, these are the things
Speaker 2: that were very popular.
Speaker 1: Yah.
Speaker 2: And then I think there's the Obama section that sort
Speaker 2: of started twenty twelve, that went through twenty seventeen, and
Speaker 2: that's I think, you know, more female programming, more progressive programming.
Speaker 2: Glee certainly falls into that, right, American horror story certainly
Speaker 2: falls to that. The normal heart which I did and
Speaker 2: now and then what happened was there was the streaming
Speaker 2: wars began, you know, that really started in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3: And were you.
Speaker 1: Anxious at the time about that and you're like, this
Speaker 1: is the end of the world.
Speaker 2: No, it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well for you personally, well, I think for everybody. What
Speaker 2: happened was, you know, literally production doubled overnight, and there
Speaker 2: was a lot of new young voices that were able
Speaker 2: to get things made. For example, you know I did
Speaker 2: pose during that time that never would have been on
Speaker 2: the air. Yeah, five years before then or even now,
Speaker 2: I don't think interesting. But then what happened was COVID
Speaker 2: and the strikes, and now it's really hard for young
Speaker 2: people to, I think, get things on the air. It's
Speaker 2: really hard for different points of view. I think we're
Speaker 2: in almost like a Victorian age, which is a it's
Speaker 2: a reaction to COVID and perhaps the two Trump presidencies
Speaker 2: where I'm finding it very interesting, Like like what you're
Speaker 2: saying is people don't win anything to push. They're freaked
Speaker 2: out enough about their lives. So also gen Z is
Speaker 2: very pearl clutching. They're they're much more like sort of
Speaker 2: they don't like a lot of things that are in
Speaker 2: their face. They don't date as much, they socialize as much,
Speaker 2: and they don't you know, it's a very cautious generation.
Speaker 2: So but you know, the state of the business is
Speaker 2: really really bad right now, and I'm lucky in that.
Speaker 2: I you know, I went back with my great friend
Speaker 2: Dana Walden, and but I really never left because I
Speaker 2: was doing all my shows. You know, that was part
Speaker 2: of my deal. I was lucky. I kind of had
Speaker 2: I got to keep my legacy shows and go try
Speaker 2: new things at Netflix, right, So I went back to
Speaker 2: Disney Fox and then I continue my Monster Show. So
Speaker 2: I kind of I respect everybody, but you know, I'm
Speaker 2: really excited too. It always takes me a while with
Speaker 2: a while with a new deal to figure out what
Speaker 2: I'm going to do. But I think the stuff that
Speaker 2: I have coming up is like very four quadrant, very
Speaker 2: mainstream interesting, and I'm doing what I've never done before
Speaker 2: where I go through every minute of the show and
Speaker 2: I'm like, how do I make this for everybody? How
Speaker 2: do I not you know, alienate people and.
Speaker 1: The pearl clutching Victorian. Is this sort of the anti
Speaker 1: WoT push back? Is it the sort of antidi you've
Speaker 1: been you know LGBTQ? What I mean, what is it?
Speaker 1: Just is in that space that you're referring to. No,
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 3: I just think it's a cultural taste.
Speaker 2: Like for example, without naming the show, a friend of
Speaker 2: mine does a show and it started off and it
Speaker 2: got really great reviews and in the first you know,
Speaker 2: they did a test of it. In the first fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes of the show, it's a PG rate comedy. There
Speaker 2: was a very sexualized situation where you saw nothing but
Speaker 2: it was hinted at, and the dials went and they
Speaker 2: lost twenty percent of the audience wow in thirty seconds
Speaker 2: because of a joke like that never used to have.
Speaker 2: And I just think that it's culturally people are I
Speaker 2: don't know, again it's I say that, but again I
Speaker 2: think people want their comedies and their dramas soft, but
Speaker 2: they also like their true true crime shows clearly.
Speaker 3: Like they want to be able to pick.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is my mood and this is my level
Speaker 2: of anxiety, which is there's not a lot of blending
Speaker 2: of genres which I think used to happen more interesting.
Speaker 2: And I do think, you know, young people are not
Speaker 2: as there's always the reaction.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I came up of age right after the you know,
Speaker 2: the Reagan years, so that was the period of Madonna.
Speaker 2: If you look when I was a kid, she was
Speaker 2: so popular. I think because she was tapping into rebelliou yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Now the rebellion is how do you rebel? You become
Speaker 2: quieter and you're like, you're it's it's a softer, interesting,
Speaker 2: more emotional, introverted group of people. But I do think
Speaker 2: there's also a big changing of the guard right now.
Speaker 2: You know, like there's young voices fighting to get stuff
Speaker 2: on and I think it used to be ten of
Speaker 2: them would, but now one of them will. But that
Speaker 2: one could be, you know, a Spielberg who could completely
Speaker 2: change the game and people will follow that person. I
Speaker 2: can feel that. I can feel a lot of young
Speaker 2: people chomping, and I feel culturally things are shifting.
Speaker 1: You get another twenty years of this in you.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, you know what. Probably Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3: I really was. I wasn't talking.
Speaker 2: About like I have a farm, yeah, and New York.
Speaker 1: I've always seen you as a farm guy.
Speaker 2: Well I'm from Indiana, so you know you're an Indiana
Speaker 2: guy in the back of a like I shucked corn,
Speaker 2: like I mean, if we found out.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're an athlete, so that's most important, quay guy.
Speaker 2: Jeez, Yeah, I don't know. So I'm like to do
Speaker 2: I hang it up and make it.
Speaker 1: You couldn't even handle that you could hang out on
Speaker 1: farm all day.
Speaker 3: Well, I love going there.
Speaker 1: I understand that, but every day. Seriously, I know.
Speaker 2: But you're right, I probably can't because I like, you know,
Speaker 2: I like show business, and I like, I like creation.
Speaker 2: It's like I like the making of new things, and
Speaker 2: I like putting people together. And I love I love
Speaker 2: my job. And you know, my great idol, Norman Lear,
Speaker 2: he worked. I mean he worked into his late nineties,
Speaker 2: which is an amazing thing. I think he probably worked
Speaker 2: three or four hours a day. But what are three
Speaker 2: or four hours? You know? But the thing about Norman
Speaker 2: that I marveled at was he was eternally curious and
Speaker 2: young people love that. He went like, he sought me
Speaker 2: out when I had my first big hit, and I.
Speaker 1: Just pick your brain just to get to know you.
Speaker 2: He I got a call out of the blue, yeah,
Speaker 2: and it was from Norman Lear. And I'm like, this
Speaker 2: is not Norman Lear, because you know, I grew up
Speaker 2: watching you know, I was six when All in the
Speaker 2: Family came out, but I grew up with that show.
Speaker 2: And I was like, this is no way he's calling me.
Speaker 2: And I picked up the phone. It was like, who
Speaker 2: is this really? And he goes, hey can know me,
Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, really? And then I had
Speaker 2: dinner with him and he would give me great advice.
Speaker 2: And the thing I loved the most about him is
Speaker 2: he would call during disappointments, like he called me when
Speaker 2: the New Normal was canceled tonic, and he was like,
Speaker 2: every every failure is I think he said like something
Speaker 2: like every failure is a new open door. You can
Speaker 2: walk through it best. And I recently at auction, I
Speaker 2: bought one of Norman's ed Rashe paintings, and the painting
Speaker 2: simply says truth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I like, I like, you know, living
Speaker 3: indez of it all.
Speaker 2: I like talking about my points of view and things
Speaker 2: that are truthful to me.
Speaker 3: I love that, And I'm like, why would.
Speaker 2: I stop if I can keep my health?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: What is the state of play out here? I mean
Speaker 1: we did, we doubled them more than double the film
Speaker 1: tax credit. We needed to do. That. Seems the industries
Speaker 1: and life support out here, the world reinvent it is
Speaker 1: competing against us globally, not just other states, which I
Speaker 1: think we fully don't A lot of us don't fully
Speaker 1: appreciate what's happening overseas. Yes, in particular, what more do
Speaker 1: we need to do a lot more? I know tax
Speaker 1: credit is still not sufficient, But what's your sense of
Speaker 1: where where Hollywood, broadly described or defined will be in
Speaker 1: a decade. If what doesn't happen, well, you.
Speaker 2: Know, another changing of the guard to answer that question is,
Speaker 2: you know, Hollywood used to be Hollywood. You know it
Speaker 2: was a dream place that it isn't now. But Hollywood
Speaker 2: for the most part is without exception of tech business,
Speaker 2: and it is thus much more of a bottom line business.
Speaker 2: There's no there's there's no more of that sort of
Speaker 2: you scratch, you know, you can have two bombs, but
Speaker 2: if you give me a hit, we're good. Like it's that,
Speaker 2: that's over. So it is a tech controlled landscape. Many
Speaker 2: good things have come of that, I think. But I'll
Speaker 2: tell you a story like I make between six and
Speaker 2: eight things a year, and I was walking.
Speaker 1: Through proving it's not once a quarter. But anyway, I'll
Speaker 1: go back to that such bullshit.
Speaker 3: But some of these I don't run.
Speaker 2: I guess once a quarter, I could say my new
Speaker 2: things that.
Speaker 1: Are an estalogy.
Speaker 2: And I was walking some of the lots to look
Speaker 2: for safe space, and I was astonished at how it
Speaker 2: is crickets like eight vacancies, people that I have grown
Speaker 2: up with who run these lots walking out with tears
Speaker 2: in their eyes please come here. And I think the
Speaker 2: problem is you know, if you're wanting to shoot in
Speaker 2: California and there's five other states that will give you.
Speaker 3: Better tax credits, and now there's only one. So well, okay,
Speaker 3: but for a.
Speaker 2: While we were five and I used to you know,
Speaker 2: and I'm very lucky and that I have enough clout
Speaker 2: where I could say, no, I'm shooting this here, like
Speaker 2: I will, I'm shooting this here.
Speaker 3: So you know.
Speaker 2: The thing that I've also been astonished with that's a
Speaker 2: new feeling. Like I was directing All's Fair recently, my
Speaker 2: Kim Show, and I had so many this is right
Speaker 2: after the fires, and I had so many crew members
Speaker 2: come up with tears in their eyes, thanking me for
Speaker 2: staying in California because the problem is so many people
Speaker 2: have left, and what has happened is they leave their families.
Speaker 3: And I know three.
Speaker 2: People on my crewse who are currently going through divorces
Speaker 2: because their families were broken up and they had to
Speaker 2: leave for work.
Speaker 3: And also.
Speaker 2: It's very very difficult because you think of like generationally,
Speaker 2: it's very easy for people in their twenties and thirties
Speaker 2: to pick up and go to Georgia, of course, but
Speaker 2: if you're in your.
Speaker 3: Forties fifties sixties.
Speaker 2: We're losing a whole generation of talent that cannot do that,
Speaker 2: so they cannot go to where the work is. So
Speaker 2: I find it heartbreaking. And I do admire and commend
Speaker 2: you for what you have done, which is great, but
Speaker 2: I think that the more we could do because it's
Speaker 2: you know, Hollywood is more than just a state of mind.
Speaker 2: It's a California legacy, you know what it really is,
Speaker 2: and it's a worldwide legacy. And I think you and
Speaker 2: I before this were talking about San Francisco, like two
Speaker 2: years ago. I remember having a conversation with you saying,
Speaker 2: what the hell is happening with San Francisco. But in
Speaker 2: a recent trip, it's astonishing at how things can turn
Speaker 2: around and how so resent you. That's like AI money,
Speaker 2: I think, and a lot of tech stuff. But I
Speaker 2: have great I have great hope, and I commend you,
Speaker 2: but I say keep fighting the good fight because we
Speaker 2: need you.
Speaker 3: This town needs you to do more.
Speaker 2: And and what I'm seeing is it's just not individuals,
Speaker 2: it's families that are depending upon it. That's the thing
Speaker 2: that I never really put two and two together. Like
Speaker 2: if you're a young family and dad or mom has
Speaker 2: to leave for four months, five months?
Speaker 3: What do you do?
Speaker 2: That's that's really difficult morally, spiritually. So anything we can
Speaker 2: do to increase reasons why tech companies have a reason
Speaker 2: to say, Okay, we'll keep that show here. And I'm
Speaker 2: very lucky this fall, Like I have two things shooting
Speaker 2: and I demanded that they both shoot here. Keeping keeping
Speaker 2: you know, people together and keeping my crews together. That's
Speaker 2: a very and I'm thinking about that more and more
Speaker 2: and more. And because of the work that you've done,
Speaker 2: it's become easier for me.
Speaker 1: No good.
Speaker 2: But you know, there's different things about the incentives that
Speaker 2: are very hard too, like out of boundary, like you know,
Speaker 2: stuff like that that we should take out.
Speaker 3: It's hard, no, And the lottery system is also.
Speaker 1: Right, which we're fixing and we've fixed. I mean, so
Speaker 1: we went from three hundred and thirty million dollars seven
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million, and so the key was in
Speaker 1: a challenging sort of environment political environment to least to
Speaker 1: lock that in. Now we can start to unpack how
Speaker 1: within that framework we can be more competitive and make
Speaker 1: the adjustments. We've made a few, but we've got more
Speaker 1: that obviously need to be done in that space.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I really admire what you're doing. I
Speaker 2: don't know any politician that I've met in my lifetime
Speaker 2: who's gone through so much adversity from I mean, everything's not.
Speaker 1: Much has happened last six years. I mean, are you
Speaker 1: talking about Ryan? What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: I mean, I admire what you've done, and I know
Speaker 2: that you, like you've also inherited many messes. God bless
Speaker 2: so I acknowledge your work, and I say keep doing
Speaker 2: it because people people are so appreciative for what you
Speaker 2: recently have done, and I anything else you could do.
Speaker 2: I'm here as an advocate for my company town, but
Speaker 2: I think how you've turned things around in many areas
Speaker 2: is commendable. You're my long term friend, and I say,
Speaker 2: keep doing it. I appreciate it, keep helping us. I
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Before I let you go, Before I let you go
Speaker 1: back to your kids or your farm, my farm, Okay,
Speaker 1: stress test that what I mean? What's what are the
Speaker 1: little scribbles on your little notepad? That a little you know,
Speaker 1: the thing that's like you're looking four years from now.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh you just wait, I've got a project.
Speaker 1: I've got so I know you can't say anything, but
Speaker 1: is it like a oh yeah, I can say, oh good,
Speaker 1: what do you got? Bring it on? Then?
Speaker 2: Well, you know it's interesting because my life is I'm
Speaker 2: already working, Like I don't even know if I'm here
Speaker 2: in this room because I'm like working.
Speaker 3: A year ahead. Right. It was fun.
Speaker 2: I heard an interview with Taylor Swift where she said
Speaker 2: the same thing. I was like, Oh, I really relate
Speaker 2: to this. It's like, I'm already planning my releases for
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Twenty seven.
Speaker 2: We just talked about Jfkate Juniors that comes out six
Speaker 2: twenty six, So like, I'm really sort of plotting well.
Speaker 3: And I have two goals, to be honest, one.
Speaker 2: Of which is to keep as many of my shows
Speaker 2: in California as possible, which is why I'm glad to
Speaker 2: be here today.
Speaker 1: Well done.
Speaker 3: And I want to do a.
Speaker 2: Vampire show, which I've never done.
Speaker 1: She did a little sci fi. Now we're on the vampires.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've had vampires in my work, like you
Speaker 2: know American horror story Lady gg I famously played one.
Speaker 2: I want to do that. And I want to do
Speaker 2: a movie about faith. I'm working on my One of
Speaker 2: my great friends is Dede Gardner, who runs Plan B
Speaker 2: brad Pitt's company, and she and I are working on
Speaker 2: a faith based movie that kind of puts me in
Speaker 2: touch with my altra boy days. Look at that, which
Speaker 2: people would never think of me doing. But I want
Speaker 2: to do, like you said, I want to do something
Speaker 2: optimistic and about perseverance and forgiveness. And so I'm working
Speaker 2: on those things. I mean, vampires and you know, religious.
Speaker 1: Vampires and faith.
Speaker 2: It was obviously, well that's the secret of my career.
Speaker 2: Do the opposite of what you just did. That's always
Speaker 2: what I've done. And if you look at my year
Speaker 2: roll out, it's everything is the opposite of the thing
Speaker 2: they came before it.
Speaker 1: You know, what are the big sports ones you're gonna do?
Speaker 3: You know I just did one.
Speaker 2: I did the Aaron Hernandez story, which is America sports story.
Speaker 2: Give me forgetting come on, yeah, I don't know that.
Speaker 3: I'll be like, if you ask.
Speaker 1: Me, you talk a big game about your sports. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to well connect your story.
Speaker 2: My sports thing is my oldest child, who is twelve,
Speaker 2: is wants to be Tom Brady.
Speaker 3: Right, He's a.
Speaker 1: Big of course he's twelve number twelve.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a big football or yeah.
Speaker 1: You see you got Giselle and Brady in your back
Speaker 1: of your mind.
Speaker 3: Of course, that's right, that's what I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised.
Speaker 3: Do you know him?
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I met him.
Speaker 3: He seems really cool.
Speaker 1: See, I mean he's too perfect.
Speaker 3: So I'm kind of living my sports now and I'm
Speaker 3: starting to.
Speaker 1: Read his blog every week now. He's got a new blog,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady every Monday. Fantastic, like he like everything he
Speaker 1: does is fantastic. It's upsetting, actually a certain.
Speaker 3: What do you mean?
Speaker 1: No, it's just a really well researched and written blog
Speaker 1: he does every week, which is motivating. It's contemporary, it's
Speaker 1: about health, it's about relationships, his relationship to what he's doing.
Speaker 1: It's fresh, it's very thoughtful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's excellent.
Speaker 1: It's like just interesting.
Speaker 3: Do you use his products?
Speaker 1: I haven't. It's interesting. I've started to notice a few
Speaker 1: of them starting to get promoted.
Speaker 2: So like your life, this is my last question for you,
Speaker 2: as high pressured as you are, and like what is
Speaker 2: your secret for keeping it all together?
Speaker 1: Like what is your I'm gonna answer that. What's your
Speaker 1: Do you have a morning routine?
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: My morning routine is I get up and I have
Speaker 2: coffee and no one is allowed to talk to me.
Speaker 1: Like what you just hear that guy?
Speaker 2: I have an hour of like quiet reading, meditation. I'm
Speaker 2: really cranky, and I try and do some But.
Speaker 1: The kids know how to avoid you, or do you?
Speaker 2: I mean they just I go to a room. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they can't get Yeah, I mean anybody can get me.
Speaker 2: Like if you have kids, you know, they can always
Speaker 2: find devices.
Speaker 1: They don't need you.
Speaker 2: But I try and do some like movement. You know
Speaker 2: what do you mean?
Speaker 3: Movement?
Speaker 2: I try and move I try and go on a walk.
Speaker 2: I try and get on a treadmill. I try and
Speaker 2: walk around. And that's part of the my Apple watch.
Speaker 2: I count my steps. I'm very conscious about.
Speaker 1: A cup of coffee. What are you eating every morning?
Speaker 2: I eat the same boring ass. I am a person
Speaker 2: of tradition. I have a vegan protein smoothie that has
Speaker 2: eight fruits in it. I love that, and then I
Speaker 2: have through a the day four to six vegetables. So wow,
Speaker 2: I really work hard on that.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I get a gold medal right, like I
Speaker 2: will legit, but it's it's a practice, like you've got
Speaker 2: to work at it, and it's not fun.
Speaker 1: It's not you don't enjoy it, you know.
Speaker 2: I enjoy the tradition of It's fine.
Speaker 3: It's not that it's purple. It looks like blueberries.
Speaker 1: What do you miss? You miss like bacon and eggs
Speaker 1: from the back, pancakes.
Speaker 2: But like, what do you do? What do you what's
Speaker 2: your I'm the same thing I do, smoothie. But you're
Speaker 2: a big exercise guy.
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit three four days a week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nothing exciting, but no, it's the fruit that's I'm religious
Speaker 1: about it for years and years and years, but I
Speaker 1: love it, Like I can't even imagine not having smoothier
Speaker 1: just fruit until and I say noon whenever eleven thirty.
Speaker 3: You're like a big dinner guy.
Speaker 1: That's all I care about.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I live for me too, live for dinner.
Speaker 2: And I'm in the middle of like a hideous ninety
Speaker 2: day cleanse, So why are you doing that? Just I
Speaker 2: just came back from vacation and I was like, this
Speaker 2: is gross, Like it wasnation supposed to be the yeah,
Speaker 2: but I just felt it was too much and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I want to just spend the summer being one with the.
Speaker 3: Soul stestn't try and get in some healthy thing, you.
Speaker 2: Know, So an hour of sort of just you time meantime,
Speaker 2: and that could also be reading or I stay up late,
Speaker 2: you know, Like like I like to review what I'm
Speaker 2: getting ready to present to people, because it's like being
Speaker 2: a public It's like being a public speaker. You walk
Speaker 2: into a room and I have people who are taking
Speaker 2: notes and I perform the parts. My job is to
Speaker 2: have people heading in the same direction, and I've become
Speaker 2: better at it. I think, in the past year.
Speaker 1: Are you a better business person than you've ever been before?
Speaker 1: Or I would say, create more great, great a person.
Speaker 2: I always used to think I was a lousy business person,
Speaker 2: but then one day one of my agents said, you know,
Speaker 2: you're really smart at business, and I was like, what
Speaker 2: you know. I was like, I'm just like a creative person,
Speaker 2: like a dumb artist. But that I but I I
Speaker 2: I make it a daily practice. And if I don't
Speaker 2: make my business a daily practice, I feel bad. I
Speaker 2: feel guilty, you know. But I'm also like I'm kind
Speaker 2: of insane. I have a very I love collecting art
Speaker 2: like I love the I love that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: It's a I love that, you.
Speaker 1: Know, aesthetic design.
Speaker 3: It's my favorite thing. That's my hobby.
Speaker 2: That's an art. That's how I like. I work on
Speaker 2: a lot of projects like that. I think in another
Speaker 2: life I would be a landscape designer or something because
Speaker 2: I love that. I'm very odd. But like it's producing.
Speaker 2: I'm producing. I have a vision and I love bringing
Speaker 2: people together. Yea to fight as you do the same fight.
Speaker 2: It's it's almost like being a television showrunner is almost
Speaker 2: like being a governor.
Speaker 3: You know, it's the same thing. It's exactly the same thing.
Speaker 2: There's an opening about eighteen months. I'm just saying, can
Speaker 2: you imagine me as the government?
Speaker 1: You have a point of view. I don't know this.
Speaker 1: I'm not so bad. What do you think?
Speaker 3: I don't know. If it's a good dig I'll let
Speaker 3: me ask you. What are you going to do next?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just you know, this production by
Speaker 1: the way, this production writing thing.
Speaker 3: We should flip.
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of I've got a lot of ideas.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of ideas. I've been told you you
Speaker 1: could run a studio. You have the glamour to run
Speaker 1: a studio. You could Jesus what you ever want to?
Speaker 1: I just need a pair of sunglasses. What do you
Speaker 1: need down here? What do you do?
Speaker 2: You need a point of view, You need a point
Speaker 2: of view, and you also need to be able to
Speaker 2: lead love that. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: People want to be n You did notice I looked down.
Speaker 1: It's impressive. Yeah, I am very self conscious.
Speaker 2: Now, why can't you talk openly about your future and
Speaker 2: what you want?
Speaker 3: Is there some day where that will happen.
Speaker 1: I'm not uncomfortable. I'm just moving around.
Speaker 3: It's very look at me. I haven't wedding.
Speaker 2: Is there a day where you have given yourself to
Speaker 2: make a decision about your future with that one's date?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's what life evolves, you know, it works.
Speaker 1: It's saying you want to create, you want space.
Speaker 2: It's not a linear It's a very hard time to
Speaker 2: be doing what you're doing.
Speaker 1: It's different. I mean, it's yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of I mean this this got gotten serious,
Speaker 1: very serious. What's going on in DC and what's going
Speaker 1: on here? I mean, you got five thousand military in
Speaker 1: the US city. You know he didn't send military overseas,
Speaker 1: so that I'm here in the United States.
Speaker 2: Do you ever speak to him privately? Yep, Yeah, because
Speaker 2: I remember you two having from what I always heard
Speaker 2: from you and from people close in that you had
Speaker 2: a very nice relationship.
Speaker 1: Ninety minutes in the Oval office a few months ago.
Speaker 1: We had a really good conversation, and then eight hours
Speaker 1: later tweets out new scum and and then federalizes the
Speaker 1: National Guard. It's a it's a hell of a thing.
Speaker 1: Of course. I no one worked with him more closely
Speaker 1: as a governor, a democratic governor, than I did during COVID.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it you know, it.
Speaker 1: Was extraordinarily collaborative. So it's my mindset is open hand,
Speaker 1: not a closed fist. But what he's doing now is
Speaker 1: to vanalyze this country and this democracy and just you know,
Speaker 1: people out on the streets just going about their day
Speaker 1: and folks and masks coming up on mark cars. This
Speaker 1: is different. This is different. So you know, when you
Speaker 1: run for governor, we can talk about some strategies that
Speaker 1: I think may work.
Speaker 3: You can run my campaign, can.
Speaker 1: Run your campaign. I'm going to do the creative and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come up. We're gonna come up with slogan.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I want this. I think this
Speaker 1: faith thing could work, and it may so I need
Speaker 1: this to come out.
Speaker 3: For the right.
Speaker 1: I'm shocked my vampire thing. I may want to push
Speaker 1: back the production schedule. We'll talk about faith. I'm only
Speaker 1: going to talk about reconciliation.
Speaker 2: I'm only going to send you copies of my shows
Speaker 2: that are literally the sweetest, kindest.
Speaker 1: I just no more. I don't need refrigerators.
Speaker 2: You may, but the world does, the world wants it,
Speaker 2: deal with it. Listen, they may call you in August.
Speaker 2: I do things like that. It's not about the thing
Speaker 2: in the refrigerator. It's a question of why is it
Speaker 2: in the refrigerator? What happened to somebody? Yeah, no, I
Speaker 2: get it's it's it's you know, this is what makes.
Speaker 1: You qualifying to be actually governor. It's it's a human condition,
Speaker 1: the same job. But sincerely, like literally, what is the
Speaker 1: motivation the why? What's the sort of the essence of
Speaker 1: the why? That's important. Politicians don't that. They don't explore that.
Speaker 2: Well, that brings us back to the men Indez, you know, parole.
Speaker 2: It's just it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: Should I watch it? Before I make the decision. No,
Speaker 1: I don't want to.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to.
Speaker 2: And I admire you for your daughter not co opting
Speaker 2: you into watch it.
Speaker 3: Did she watch it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? They watched it. And it's they because there's a
Speaker 1: few of them, not just one daughter. I mean I
Speaker 1: they Yeah, come on, it was this was a cultural phenomenon, Yes,
Speaker 1: took off. I mean they had to be in the
Speaker 1: know when they went to school. The kids, other kids
Speaker 1: were talking about and remarkable, like I've not experienced that. Well,
Speaker 1: I have not experienced that as a father, obviously, not
Speaker 1: in the position I am in where there's real accountability
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, on the positive side, the
Speaker 2: very idea that it would launch a conversation with your
Speaker 2: kids is not a bad thing. No, it's great, And
Speaker 2: I love that they're and I also they have a
Speaker 2: point of view.
Speaker 1: They have a point of view, and I'm allowed me
Speaker 1: to explain how this all works. I mean, the idea
Speaker 1: you're talking about with the parole system, commutations, resentencing what
Speaker 1: youth offenders under the age of twenty six, and special
Speaker 1: dispensation that's offered to youth offenders, and you're talking about
Speaker 1: your twelve thirteen year old kids is a hell of
Speaker 1: a thing. So in many ways it was great educational
Speaker 1: It's been a great educational process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see, I hear that, I feel that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I get so many young people who write
Speaker 2: me about it. But I guess we'll talk at the
Speaker 2: end of August.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about it when we launch your
Speaker 1: campaign for governor California.
Speaker 2: You have to resign and then run my campaign. I
Speaker 2: would be the worst. I could never do that.
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced.
Speaker 2: I can't even run for mayor of West Hollywood.
Speaker 3: I can't even do that. I would be too perfect.
Speaker 1: I mean, you got farming background, We've got the faith.
Speaker 1: I'll mean everything about this.
Speaker 3: Maybe I should.
Speaker 2: Pray and plant vegetables instead.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having men.