WEBVTT - More With Ryan Murphy

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<v Speaker 1>This is Gavin Newsom and our conversation with Ryan Murphy continues.

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<v Speaker 1>What you mentioned Ted Netflix, I mean, so whole the

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<v Speaker 1>whole streaming thing. But now it's interesting you're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>back a little bit that sort of Disney Hulu FX

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<v Speaker 1>yeah thing. I mean, but where's you said Hollywood's going younger?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, is is that a time of life or

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<v Speaker 1>is that a state of mind? What do you mean younger?

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<v Speaker 1>It's always isn't it been a youth? I mean, what's

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<v Speaker 1>what's what's your journey here since eighty nine? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>where where are we in terms of now We'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into tax credits, competitiveness in a minute, but I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>curious just what you meant by youth and younger people,

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<v Speaker 1>what streaming means to you, what's sort of what's the

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<v Speaker 1>state of play from that perspective? Because you've seen every

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<v Speaker 1>damn side of this, You've been part of each side

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<v Speaker 1>of this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting because you know, I've kind of been at

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<v Speaker 2>this now since nineteen ninety eight. Was my first show, Popular.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a very cult show. It ran two years.

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<v Speaker 2>Leslie Bibb, who was on White Lotus, was one of

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<v Speaker 2>her first starring roles. So I've been through a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of different changes, you know, like that two thousand two,

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and thirteen, fourteen was very like prestige push

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<v Speaker 2>it as much sex and blood and gore, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like that. It was like the period the

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<v Speaker 2>of the white male anti hero. You know, if you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the Sopranos, mad Men, these are the things

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<v Speaker 2>that were very popular.

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<v Speaker 1>Yah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I think there's the Obama section that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of started twenty twelve, that went through twenty seventeen, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's I think, you know, more female programming, more progressive programming.

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<v Speaker 2>Glee certainly falls into that, right, American horror story certainly

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<v Speaker 2>falls to that. The normal heart which I did and

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<v Speaker 2>now and then what happened was there was the streaming

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<v Speaker 2>wars began, you know, that really started in twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 3>And were you.

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<v Speaker 1>Anxious at the time about that and you're like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the end of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well for you personally, well, I think for everybody. What

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<v Speaker 2>happened was, you know, literally production doubled overnight, and there

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot of new young voices that were able

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<v Speaker 2>to get things made. For example, you know I did

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<v Speaker 2>pose during that time that never would have been on

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<v Speaker 2>the air. Yeah, five years before then or even now,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think interesting. But then what happened was COVID

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<v Speaker 2>and the strikes, and now it's really hard for young

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<v Speaker 2>people to, I think, get things on the air. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really hard for different points of view. I think we're

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<v Speaker 2>in almost like a Victorian age, which is a it's

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<v Speaker 2>a reaction to COVID and perhaps the two Trump presidencies

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<v Speaker 2>where I'm finding it very interesting, Like like what you're

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<v Speaker 2>saying is people don't win anything to push. They're freaked

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<v Speaker 2>out enough about their lives. So also gen Z is

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<v Speaker 2>very pearl clutching. They're they're much more like sort of

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<v Speaker 2>they don't like a lot of things that are in

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<v Speaker 2>their face. They don't date as much, they socialize as much,

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<v Speaker 2>and they don't you know, it's a very cautious generation.

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<v Speaker 2>So but you know, the state of the business is

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<v Speaker 2>really really bad right now, and I'm lucky in that.

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, I went back with my great friend

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<v Speaker 2>Dana Walden, and but I really never left because I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing all my shows. You know, that was part

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<v Speaker 2>of my deal. I was lucky. I kind of had

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<v Speaker 2>I got to keep my legacy shows and go try

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<v Speaker 2>new things at Netflix, right, So I went back to

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<v Speaker 2>Disney Fox and then I continue my Monster Show. So

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of I respect everybody, but you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really excited too. It always takes me a while with

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<v Speaker 2>a while with a new deal to figure out what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do. But I think the stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>I have coming up is like very four quadrant, very

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<v Speaker 2>mainstream interesting, and I'm doing what I've never done before

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<v Speaker 2>where I go through every minute of the show and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, how do I make this for everybody? How

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<v Speaker 2>do I not you know, alienate people and.

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<v Speaker 1>The pearl clutching Victorian. Is this sort of the anti

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<v Speaker 1>WoT push back? Is it the sort of antidi you've

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<v Speaker 1>been you know LGBTQ? What I mean, what is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Just is in that space that you're referring to. No,

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<v Speaker 1>is it?

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<v Speaker 3>I just think it's a cultural taste.

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<v Speaker 2>Like for example, without naming the show, a friend of

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<v Speaker 2>mine does a show and it started off and it

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<v Speaker 2>got really great reviews and in the first you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they did a test of it. In the first fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>minutes of the show, it's a PG rate comedy. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a very sexualized situation where you saw nothing but

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<v Speaker 2>it was hinted at, and the dials went and they

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<v Speaker 2>lost twenty percent of the audience wow in thirty seconds

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<v Speaker 2>because of a joke like that never used to have.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just think that it's culturally people are I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, again it's I say that, but again I

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<v Speaker 2>think people want their comedies and their dramas soft, but

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<v Speaker 2>they also like their true true crime shows clearly.

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<v Speaker 3>Like they want to be able to pick.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is my mood and this is my level

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<v Speaker 2>of anxiety, which is there's not a lot of blending

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<v Speaker 2>of genres which I think used to happen more interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do think, you know, young people are not

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<v Speaker 2>as there's always the reaction.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I came up of age right after the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Reagan years, so that was the period of Madonna.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look when I was a kid, she was

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<v Speaker 2>so popular. I think because she was tapping into rebelliou yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Now the rebellion is how do you rebel? You become

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<v Speaker 2>quieter and you're like, you're it's it's a softer, interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>more emotional, introverted group of people. But I do think

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<v Speaker 2>there's also a big changing of the guard right now.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like there's young voices fighting to get stuff

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<v Speaker 2>on and I think it used to be ten of

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<v Speaker 2>them would, but now one of them will. But that

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<v Speaker 2>one could be, you know, a Spielberg who could completely

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<v Speaker 2>change the game and people will follow that person. I

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<v Speaker 2>can feel that. I can feel a lot of young

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<v Speaker 2>people chomping, and I feel culturally things are shifting.

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<v Speaker 1>You get another twenty years of this in you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting, you know what. Probably Yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>I really was. I wasn't talking.

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<v Speaker 2>About like I have a farm, yeah, and New York.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always seen you as a farm guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I'm from Indiana, so you know you're an Indiana

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<v Speaker 2>guy in the back of a like I shucked corn,

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<v Speaker 2>like I mean, if we found out.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're an athlete, so that's most important, quay guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeez, Yeah, I don't know. So I'm like to do

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<v Speaker 2>I hang it up and make it.

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<v Speaker 1>You couldn't even handle that you could hang out on

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<v Speaker 1>farm all day.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I love going there.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that, but every day. Seriously, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're right, I probably can't because I like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I like show business, and I like, I like creation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like I like the making of new things, and

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<v Speaker 2>I like putting people together. And I love I love

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<v Speaker 2>my job. And you know, my great idol, Norman Lear,

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<v Speaker 2>he worked. I mean he worked into his late nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>which is an amazing thing. I think he probably worked

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<v Speaker 2>three or four hours a day. But what are three

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<v Speaker 2>or four hours? You know? But the thing about Norman

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<v Speaker 2>that I marveled at was he was eternally curious and

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<v Speaker 2>young people love that. He went like, he sought me

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<v Speaker 2>out when I had my first big hit, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just pick your brain just to get to know you.

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<v Speaker 2>He I got a call out of the blue, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was from Norman Lear. And I'm like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is not Norman Lear, because you know, I grew up

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<v Speaker 2>watching you know, I was six when All in the

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<v Speaker 2>Family came out, but I grew up with that show.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, this is no way he's calling me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I picked up the phone. It was like, who

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<v Speaker 2>is this really? And he goes, hey can know me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, wow, really? And then I had

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<v Speaker 2>dinner with him and he would give me great advice.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing I loved the most about him is

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<v Speaker 2>he would call during disappointments, like he called me when

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<v Speaker 2>the New Normal was canceled tonic, and he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>every every failure is I think he said like something

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<v Speaker 2>like every failure is a new open door. You can

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<v Speaker 2>walk through it best. And I recently at auction, I

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<v Speaker 2>bought one of Norman's ed Rashe paintings, and the painting

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<v Speaker 2>simply says truth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And so I like, I like, you know, living

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<v Speaker 3>indez of it all.

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<v Speaker 2>I like talking about my points of view and things

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<v Speaker 2>that are truthful to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that, And I'm like, why would.

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<v Speaker 2>I stop if I can keep my health?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the state of play out here? I mean

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<v Speaker 1>we did, we doubled them more than double the film

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<v Speaker 1>tax credit. We needed to do. That. Seems the industries

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<v Speaker 1>and life support out here, the world reinvent it is

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<v Speaker 1>competing against us globally, not just other states, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think we fully don't A lot of us don't fully

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate what's happening overseas. Yes, in particular, what more do

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<v Speaker 1>we need to do a lot more? I know tax

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<v Speaker 1>credit is still not sufficient, But what's your sense of

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<v Speaker 1>where where Hollywood, broadly described or defined will be in

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<v Speaker 1>a decade. If what doesn't happen, well, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, another changing of the guard to answer that question is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Hollywood used to be Hollywood. You know it

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<v Speaker 2>was a dream place that it isn't now. But Hollywood

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<v Speaker 2>for the most part is without exception of tech business,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is thus much more of a bottom line business.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no there's there's no more of that sort of

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<v Speaker 2>you scratch, you know, you can have two bombs, but

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<v Speaker 2>if you give me a hit, we're good. Like it's that,

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<v Speaker 2>that's over. So it is a tech controlled landscape. Many

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<v Speaker 2>good things have come of that, I think. But I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you a story like I make between six and

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<v Speaker 2>eight things a year, and I was walking.

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<v Speaker 1>Through proving it's not once a quarter. But anyway, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>go back to that such bullshit.

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<v Speaker 3>But some of these I don't run.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess once a quarter, I could say my new

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<v Speaker 2>things that.

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<v Speaker 1>Are an estalogy.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was walking some of the lots to look

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<v Speaker 2>for safe space, and I was astonished at how it

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<v Speaker 2>is crickets like eight vacancies, people that I have grown

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<v Speaker 2>up with who run these lots walking out with tears

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<v Speaker 2>in their eyes please come here. And I think the

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<v Speaker 2>problem is you know, if you're wanting to shoot in

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<v Speaker 2>California and there's five other states that will give you.

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<v Speaker 3>Better tax credits, and now there's only one. So well, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>but for a.

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<v Speaker 2>While we were five and I used to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm very lucky and that I have enough clout

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<v Speaker 2>where I could say, no, I'm shooting this here, like

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<v Speaker 2>I will, I'm shooting this here.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing that I've also been astonished with that's a

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<v Speaker 2>new feeling. Like I was directing All's Fair recently, my

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<v Speaker 2>Kim Show, and I had so many this is right

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<v Speaker 2>after the fires, and I had so many crew members

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<v Speaker 2>come up with tears in their eyes, thanking me for

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<v Speaker 2>staying in California because the problem is so many people

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<v Speaker 2>have left, and what has happened is they leave their families.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know three.

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<v Speaker 2>People on my crewse who are currently going through divorces

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<v Speaker 2>because their families were broken up and they had to

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<v Speaker 2>leave for work.

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<v Speaker 3>And also.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very very difficult because you think of like generationally,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very easy for people in their twenties and thirties

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<v Speaker 2>to pick up and go to Georgia, of course, but

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<v Speaker 2>if you're in your.

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<v Speaker 3>Forties fifties sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>We're losing a whole generation of talent that cannot do that,

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<v Speaker 2>so they cannot go to where the work is. So

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<v Speaker 2>I find it heartbreaking. And I do admire and commend

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<v Speaker 2>you for what you have done, which is great, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the more we could do because it's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Hollywood is more than just a state of mind.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a California legacy, you know what it really is,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a worldwide legacy. And I think you and

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<v Speaker 2>I before this were talking about San Francisco, like two

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. I remember having a conversation with you saying,

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<v Speaker 2>what the hell is happening with San Francisco. But in

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<v Speaker 2>a recent trip, it's astonishing at how things can turn

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<v Speaker 2>around and how so resent you. That's like AI money,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, and a lot of tech stuff. But I

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<v Speaker 2>have great I have great hope, and I commend you,

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<v Speaker 2>but I say keep fighting the good fight because we

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<v Speaker 2>need you.

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<v Speaker 3>This town needs you to do more.

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<v Speaker 2>And and what I'm seeing is it's just not individuals,

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<v Speaker 2>it's families that are depending upon it. That's the thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I never really put two and two together. Like

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<v Speaker 2>if you're a young family and dad or mom has

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<v Speaker 2>to leave for four months, five months?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you do?

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's really difficult morally, spiritually. So anything we can

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<v Speaker 2>do to increase reasons why tech companies have a reason

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<v Speaker 2>to say, Okay, we'll keep that show here. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very lucky this fall, Like I have two things shooting

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<v Speaker 2>and I demanded that they both shoot here. Keeping keeping

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people together and keeping my crews together. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a very and I'm thinking about that more and more

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<v Speaker 2>and more. And because of the work that you've done,

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<v Speaker 2>it's become easier for me.

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<v Speaker 1>No good.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, there's different things about the incentives that

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<v Speaker 2>are very hard too, like out of boundary, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that that we should take out.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard, no, And the lottery system is also.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, which we're fixing and we've fixed. I mean, so

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<v Speaker 1>we went from three hundred and thirty million dollars seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty million, and so the key was in

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<v Speaker 1>a challenging sort of environment political environment to least to

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<v Speaker 1>lock that in. Now we can start to unpack how

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<v Speaker 1>within that framework we can be more competitive and make

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<v Speaker 1>the adjustments. We've made a few, but we've got more

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<v Speaker 1>that obviously need to be done in that space.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, I really admire what you're doing. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know any politician that I've met in my lifetime

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<v Speaker 2>who's gone through so much adversity from I mean, everything's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Much has happened last six years. I mean, are you

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Ryan? What are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I admire what you've done, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>that you, like you've also inherited many messes. God bless

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<v Speaker 2>so I acknowledge your work, and I say keep doing

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<v Speaker 2>it because people people are so appreciative for what you

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<v Speaker 2>recently have done, and I anything else you could do.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here as an advocate for my company town, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think how you've turned things around in many areas

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<v Speaker 2>is commendable. You're my long term friend, and I say,

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<v Speaker 2>keep doing it. I appreciate it, keep helping us. I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Before I let you go, Before I let you go

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<v Speaker 1>back to your kids or your farm, my farm, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>stress test that what I mean? What's what are the

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<v Speaker 1>little scribbles on your little notepad? That a little you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that's like you're looking four years from now.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, oh you just wait, I've got a project.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got so I know you can't say anything, but

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<v Speaker 1>is it like a oh yeah, I can say, oh good,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you got? Bring it on? Then?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know it's interesting because my life is I'm

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<v Speaker 2>already working, Like I don't even know if I'm here

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<v Speaker 2>in this room because I'm like working.

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<v Speaker 3>A year ahead. Right. It was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard an interview with Taylor Swift where she said

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing. I was like, Oh, I really relate

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<v Speaker 2>to this. It's like, I'm already planning my releases for

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>We just talked about Jfkate Juniors that comes out six

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six, So like, I'm really sort of plotting well.

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<v Speaker 3>And I have two goals, to be honest, one.

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<v Speaker 2>Of which is to keep as many of my shows

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<v Speaker 2>in California as possible, which is why I'm glad to

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<v Speaker 2>be here today.

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<v Speaker 1>Well done.

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<v Speaker 3>And I want to do a.

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<v Speaker 2>Vampire show, which I've never done.

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<v Speaker 1>She did a little sci fi. Now we're on the vampires.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've had vampires in my work, like you

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<v Speaker 2>know American horror story Lady gg I famously played one.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do that. And I want to do

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<v Speaker 2>a movie about faith. I'm working on my One of

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<v Speaker 2>my great friends is Dede Gardner, who runs Plan B

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<v Speaker 2>brad Pitt's company, and she and I are working on

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<v Speaker 2>a faith based movie that kind of puts me in

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<v Speaker 2>touch with my altra boy days. Look at that, which

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<v Speaker 2>people would never think of me doing. But I want

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<v Speaker 2>to do, like you said, I want to do something

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<v Speaker 2>optimistic and about perseverance and forgiveness. And so I'm working

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<v Speaker 2>on those things. I mean, vampires and you know, religious.

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<v Speaker 1>Vampires and faith.

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<v Speaker 2>It was obviously, well that's the secret of my career.

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<v Speaker 2>Do the opposite of what you just did. That's always

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<v Speaker 2>what I've done. And if you look at my year

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<v Speaker 2>roll out, it's everything is the opposite of the thing

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<v Speaker 2>they came before it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what are the big sports ones you're gonna do?

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<v Speaker 3>You know I just did one.

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<v Speaker 2>I did the Aaron Hernandez story, which is America sports story.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me forgetting come on, yeah, I don't know that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be like, if you ask.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, you talk a big game about your sports. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to well connect your story.

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<v Speaker 2>My sports thing is my oldest child, who is twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>is wants to be Tom Brady.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, He's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Big of course he's twelve number twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's a big football or yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You see you got Giselle and Brady in your back

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<v Speaker 1>of your mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, that's right, that's what I wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not surprised.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know him?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, I met him.

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<v Speaker 3>He seems really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>See, I mean he's too perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm kind of living my sports now and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>starting to.

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<v Speaker 1>Read his blog every week now. He's got a new blog,

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Brady every Monday. Fantastic, like he like everything he

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<v Speaker 1>does is fantastic. It's upsetting, actually a certain.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's just a really well researched and written blog

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<v Speaker 1>he does every week, which is motivating. It's contemporary, it's

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<v Speaker 1>about health, it's about relationships, his relationship to what he's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fresh, it's very thoughtful.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's excellent.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like just interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you use his products?

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't. It's interesting. I've started to notice a few

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<v Speaker 1>of them starting to get promoted.

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<v Speaker 2>So like your life, this is my last question for you,

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<v Speaker 2>as high pressured as you are, and like what is

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<v Speaker 2>your secret for keeping it all together?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what is your I'm gonna answer that. What's your

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a morning routine?

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>My morning routine is I get up and I have

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<v Speaker 2>coffee and no one is allowed to talk to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Like what you just hear that guy?

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<v Speaker 2>I have an hour of like quiet reading, meditation. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really cranky, and I try and do some But.

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<v Speaker 1>The kids know how to avoid you, or do you?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they just I go to a room. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they can't get Yeah, I mean anybody can get me.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you have kids, you know, they can always

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<v Speaker 2>find devices.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't need you.

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<v Speaker 2>But I try and do some like movement. You know

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<v Speaker 2>what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Movement?

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<v Speaker 2>I try and move I try and go on a walk.

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<v Speaker 2>I try and get on a treadmill. I try and

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<v Speaker 2>walk around. And that's part of the my Apple watch.

0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I count my steps. I'm very conscious about.

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<v Speaker 1>A cup of coffee. What are you eating every morning?

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<v Speaker 2>I eat the same boring ass. I am a person

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<v Speaker 2>of tradition. I have a vegan protein smoothie that has

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<v Speaker 2>eight fruits in it. I love that, and then I

0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:03.159
<v Speaker 2>have through a the day four to six vegetables. So wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I really work hard on that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like I get a gold medal right, like I

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<v Speaker 2>will legit, but it's it's a practice, like you've got

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<v Speaker 2>to work at it, and it's not fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not you don't enjoy it, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoy the tradition of It's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not that it's purple. It looks like blueberries.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you miss? You miss like bacon and eggs

0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:23.680
<v Speaker 1>from the back, pancakes.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, what do you do? What do you what's

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<v Speaker 2>your I'm the same thing I do, smoothie. But you're

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<v Speaker 2>a big exercise guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little bit three four days a week. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing exciting, but no, it's the fruit that's I'm religious

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<v Speaker 1>about it for years and years and years, but I

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<v Speaker 1>love it, Like I can't even imagine not having smoothier

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<v Speaker 1>just fruit until and I say noon whenever eleven thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>You're like a big dinner guy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I care about.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I live for me too, live for dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm in the middle of like a hideous ninety

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<v Speaker 2>day cleanse, So why are you doing that? Just I

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<v Speaker 2>just came back from vacation and I was like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is gross, Like it wasnation supposed to be the yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just felt it was too much and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to just spend the summer being one with the.

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<v Speaker 3>Soul stestn't try and get in some healthy thing, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, So an hour of sort of just you time meantime,

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<v Speaker 2>and that could also be reading or I stay up late,

0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:21.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, Like like I like to review what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>getting ready to present to people, because it's like being

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<v Speaker 2>a public It's like being a public speaker. You walk

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<v Speaker 2>into a room and I have people who are taking

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<v Speaker 2>notes and I perform the parts. My job is to

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<v Speaker 2>have people heading in the same direction, and I've become

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<v Speaker 2>better at it. I think, in the past year.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you a better business person than you've ever been before?

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<v Speaker 1>Or I would say, create more great, great a person.

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<v Speaker 2>I always used to think I was a lousy business person,

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<v Speaker 2>but then one day one of my agents said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're really smart at business, and I was like, what

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I was like, I'm just like a creative person,

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<v Speaker 2>like a dumb artist. But that I but I I

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<v Speaker 2>I make it a daily practice. And if I don't

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<v Speaker 2>make my business a daily practice, I feel bad. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel guilty, you know. But I'm also like I'm kind

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<v Speaker 2>of insane. I have a very I love collecting art

0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:16.399
<v Speaker 2>like I love the I love that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a I love that, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, aesthetic design.

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<v Speaker 3>It's my favorite thing. That's my hobby.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an art. That's how I like. I work on

0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:28.040
<v Speaker 2>a lot of projects like that. I think in another

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<v Speaker 2>life I would be a landscape designer or something because

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. I'm very odd. But like it's producing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm producing. I have a vision and I love bringing

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<v Speaker 2>people together. Yea to fight as you do the same fight.

0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:48.040
<v Speaker 2>It's it's almost like being a television showrunner is almost

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<v Speaker 2>like being a governor.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's the same thing. It's exactly the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>There's an opening about eighteen months. I'm just saying, can

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<v Speaker 2>you imagine me as the government?

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<v Speaker 1>You have a point of view. I don't know this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not so bad. What do you think?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. If it's a good dig I'll let

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<v Speaker 3>me ask you. What are you going to do next?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I just you know, this production by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, this production writing thing.

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<v Speaker 3>We should flip.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a lot of I've got a lot of ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of ideas. I've been told you you

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<v Speaker 1>could run a studio. You have the glamour to run

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<v Speaker 1>a studio. You could Jesus what you ever want to?

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<v Speaker 1>I just need a pair of sunglasses. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>need down here? What do you do?

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<v Speaker 2>You need a point of view, You need a point

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<v Speaker 2>of view, and you also need to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>lead love that. Yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>People want to be n You did notice I looked down.

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<v Speaker 1>It's impressive. Yeah, I am very self conscious.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, why can't you talk openly about your future and

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<v Speaker 2>what you want?

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<v Speaker 3>Is there some day where that will happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not uncomfortable. I'm just moving around.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very look at me. I haven't wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a day where you have given yourself to

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<v Speaker 2>make a decision about your future with that one's date?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's what life evolves, you know, it works.

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<v Speaker 1>It's saying you want to create, you want space.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a linear It's a very hard time to

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<v Speaker 2>be doing what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's different. I mean, it's yeah, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of I mean this this got gotten serious,

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<v Speaker 1>very serious. What's going on in DC and what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on here? I mean, you got five thousand military in

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<v Speaker 1>the US city. You know he didn't send military overseas,

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<v Speaker 1>so that I'm here in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you ever speak to him privately? Yep, Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>I remember you two having from what I always heard

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<v Speaker 2>from you and from people close in that you had

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<v Speaker 2>a very nice relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Ninety minutes in the Oval office a few months ago.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a really good conversation, and then eight hours

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<v Speaker 1>later tweets out new scum and and then federalizes the

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<v Speaker 1>National Guard. It's a it's a hell of a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course. I no one worked with him more closely

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<v Speaker 1>as a governor, a democratic governor, than I did during COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it you know, it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was extraordinarily collaborative. So it's my mindset is open hand,

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<v Speaker 1>not a closed fist. But what he's doing now is

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<v Speaker 1>to vanalyze this country and this democracy and just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people out on the streets just going about their day

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<v Speaker 1>and folks and masks coming up on mark cars. This

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<v Speaker 1>is different. This is different. So you know, when you

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<v Speaker 1>run for governor, we can talk about some strategies that

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<v Speaker 1>I think may work.

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<v Speaker 3>You can run my campaign, can.

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<v Speaker 1>Run your campaign. I'm going to do the creative and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna come up. We're gonna come up with slogan.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but I want this. I think this

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<v Speaker 1>faith thing could work, and it may so I need

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<v Speaker 1>this to come out.

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<v Speaker 3>For the right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm shocked my vampire thing. I may want to push

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<v Speaker 1>back the production schedule. We'll talk about faith. I'm only

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about reconciliation.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm only going to send you copies of my shows

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<v Speaker 2>that are literally the sweetest, kindest.

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<v Speaker 1>I just no more. I don't need refrigerators.

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<v Speaker 2>You may, but the world does, the world wants it,

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<v Speaker 2>deal with it. Listen, they may call you in August.

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<v Speaker 2>I do things like that. It's not about the thing

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<v Speaker 2>in the refrigerator. It's a question of why is it

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<v Speaker 2>in the refrigerator? What happened to somebody? Yeah, no, I

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<v Speaker 2>get it's it's it's you know, this is what makes.

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<v Speaker 1>You qualifying to be actually governor. It's it's a human condition,

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<v Speaker 1>the same job. But sincerely, like literally, what is the

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<v Speaker 1>motivation the why? What's the sort of the essence of

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<v Speaker 1>the why? That's important. Politicians don't that. They don't explore that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that brings us back to the men Indez, you know, parole.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Should I watch it? Before I make the decision. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to.

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<v Speaker 2>You shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to.

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<v Speaker 2>And I admire you for your daughter not co opting

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<v Speaker 2>you into watch it.

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<v Speaker 3>Did she watch it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? They watched it. And it's they because there's a

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<v Speaker 1>few of them, not just one daughter. I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>they Yeah, come on, it was this was a cultural phenomenon, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>took off. I mean they had to be in the

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<v Speaker 1>know when they went to school. The kids, other kids

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about and remarkable, like I've not experienced that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I have not experienced that as a father, obviously, not

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<v Speaker 1>in the position I am in where there's real accountability

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<v Speaker 1>on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, you know, on the positive side, the

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<v Speaker 2>very idea that it would launch a conversation with your

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<v Speaker 2>kids is not a bad thing. No, it's great, And

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<v Speaker 2>I love that they're and I also they have a

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<v Speaker 2>point of view.

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<v Speaker 1>They have a point of view, and I'm allowed me

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<v Speaker 1>to explain how this all works. I mean, the idea

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about with the parole system, commutations, resentencing what

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<v Speaker 1>youth offenders under the age of twenty six, and special

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<v Speaker 1>dispensation that's offered to youth offenders, and you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>your twelve thirteen year old kids is a hell of

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<v Speaker 1>a thing. So in many ways it was great educational

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a great educational process.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can see, I hear that, I feel that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I get so many young people who write

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<v Speaker 2>me about it. But I guess we'll talk at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of August.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about it when we launch your

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<v Speaker 1>campaign for governor California.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to resign and then run my campaign. I

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<v Speaker 2>would be the worst. I could never do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not convinced.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even run for mayor of West Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't even do that. I would be too perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you got farming background, We've got the faith.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll mean everything about this.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I should.

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<v Speaker 2>Pray and plant vegetables instead.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for having men.