1 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: This is Gavin Newsom and our conversation with Ryan Murphy continues. 2 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,159 Speaker 1: What you mentioned Ted Netflix, I mean, so whole the 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: whole streaming thing. But now it's interesting you're kind of 4 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: back a little bit that sort of Disney Hulu FX 5 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: yeah thing. I mean, but where's you said Hollywood's going younger? 6 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: I mean, is is that a time of life or 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: is that a state of mind? What do you mean younger? 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: It's always isn't it been a youth? I mean, what's 9 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: what's what's your journey here since eighty nine? I mean, 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: where where are we in terms of now We'll get 11 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: into tax credits, competitiveness in a minute, but I'm just 12 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: curious just what you meant by youth and younger people, 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: what streaming means to you, what's sort of what's the 14 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: state of play from that perspective? Because you've seen every 15 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: damn side of this, You've been part of each side 16 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: of this. 17 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: It's interesting because you know, I've kind of been at 18 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: this now since nineteen ninety eight. Was my first show, Popular. 19 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: It was a very cult show. It ran two years. 20 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: Leslie Bibb, who was on White Lotus, was one of 21 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: her first starring roles. So I've been through a lot 22 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 2: of different changes, you know, like that two thousand two, 23 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 2: two thousand and thirteen, fourteen was very like prestige push 24 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: it as much sex and blood and gore, and you know, 25 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: it was like that. It was like the period the 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 2: of the white male anti hero. You know, if you 27 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 2: look at the Sopranos, mad Men, these are the things 28 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 2: that were very popular. 29 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: Yah. 30 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: And then I think there's the Obama section that sort 31 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: of started twenty twelve, that went through twenty seventeen, and 32 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: that's I think, you know, more female programming, more progressive programming. 33 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: Glee certainly falls into that, right, American horror story certainly 34 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: falls to that. The normal heart which I did and 35 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: now and then what happened was there was the streaming 36 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 2: wars began, you know, that really started in twenty sixteen. 37 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: And were you. 38 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: Anxious at the time about that and you're like, this 39 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: is the end of the world. 40 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: No, it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Yeah, 41 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: well for you personally, well, I think for everybody. What 42 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: happened was, you know, literally production doubled overnight, and there 43 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: was a lot of new young voices that were able 44 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 2: to get things made. For example, you know I did 45 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: pose during that time that never would have been on 46 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 2: the air. Yeah, five years before then or even now, 47 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: I don't think interesting. But then what happened was COVID 48 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: and the strikes, and now it's really hard for young 49 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: people to, I think, get things on the air. It's 50 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 2: really hard for different points of view. I think we're 51 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: in almost like a Victorian age, which is a it's 52 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: a reaction to COVID and perhaps the two Trump presidencies 53 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: where I'm finding it very interesting, Like like what you're 54 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: saying is people don't win anything to push. They're freaked 55 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: out enough about their lives. So also gen Z is 56 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: very pearl clutching. They're they're much more like sort of 57 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 2: they don't like a lot of things that are in 58 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: their face. They don't date as much, they socialize as much, 59 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: and they don't you know, it's a very cautious generation. 60 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: So but you know, the state of the business is 61 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: really really bad right now, and I'm lucky in that. 62 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: I you know, I went back with my great friend 63 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: Dana Walden, and but I really never left because I 64 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: was doing all my shows. You know, that was part 65 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: of my deal. I was lucky. I kind of had 66 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,839 Speaker 2: I got to keep my legacy shows and go try 67 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: new things at Netflix, right, So I went back to 68 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: Disney Fox and then I continue my Monster Show. So 69 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: I kind of I respect everybody, but you know, I'm 70 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: really excited too. It always takes me a while with 71 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: a while with a new deal to figure out what 72 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to do. But I think the stuff that 73 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: I have coming up is like very four quadrant, very 74 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: mainstream interesting, and I'm doing what I've never done before 75 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: where I go through every minute of the show and 76 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, how do I make this for everybody? How 77 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 2: do I not you know, alienate people and. 78 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: The pearl clutching Victorian. Is this sort of the anti 79 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: WoT push back? Is it the sort of antidi you've 80 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: been you know LGBTQ? What I mean, what is it? 81 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: Just is in that space that you're referring to. No, 82 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: is it? 83 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: I just think it's a cultural taste. 84 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: Like for example, without naming the show, a friend of 85 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: mine does a show and it started off and it 86 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: got really great reviews and in the first you know, 87 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: they did a test of it. In the first fifteen 88 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 2: minutes of the show, it's a PG rate comedy. There 89 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: was a very sexualized situation where you saw nothing but 90 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: it was hinted at, and the dials went and they 91 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: lost twenty percent of the audience wow in thirty seconds 92 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: because of a joke like that never used to have. 93 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: And I just think that it's culturally people are I 94 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 2: don't know, again it's I say that, but again I 95 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: think people want their comedies and their dramas soft, but 96 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: they also like their true true crime shows clearly. 97 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: Like they want to be able to pick. 98 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: Okay, this is my mood and this is my level 99 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 2: of anxiety, which is there's not a lot of blending 100 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: of genres which I think used to happen more interesting. 101 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 2: And I do think, you know, young people are not 102 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: as there's always the reaction. 103 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 3: You know. 104 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 2: I came up of age right after the you know, 105 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: the Reagan years, so that was the period of Madonna. 106 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: If you look when I was a kid, she was 107 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: so popular. I think because she was tapping into rebelliou yeah, yeah, 108 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: Now the rebellion is how do you rebel? You become 109 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 2: quieter and you're like, you're it's it's a softer, interesting, 110 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: more emotional, introverted group of people. But I do think 111 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 2: there's also a big changing of the guard right now. 112 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: You know, like there's young voices fighting to get stuff 113 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: on and I think it used to be ten of 114 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: them would, but now one of them will. But that 115 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: one could be, you know, a Spielberg who could completely 116 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: change the game and people will follow that person. I 117 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 2: can feel that. I can feel a lot of young 118 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 2: people chomping, and I feel culturally things are shifting. 119 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: You get another twenty years of this in you. 120 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: That's interesting, you know what. Probably Yeah, I love that. 121 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: I really was. I wasn't talking. 122 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: About like I have a farm, yeah, and New York. 123 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: I've always seen you as a farm guy. 124 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: Well I'm from Indiana, so you know you're an Indiana 125 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: guy in the back of a like I shucked corn, 126 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 2: like I mean, if we found out. 127 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you're an athlete, so that's most important, quay guy. 128 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: Jeez, Yeah, I don't know. So I'm like to do 129 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: I hang it up and make it. 130 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: You couldn't even handle that you could hang out on 131 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: farm all day. 132 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: Well, I love going there. 133 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: I understand that, but every day. Seriously, I know. 134 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: But you're right, I probably can't because I like, you know, 135 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: I like show business, and I like, I like creation. 136 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: It's like I like the making of new things, and 137 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: I like putting people together. And I love I love 138 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: my job. And you know, my great idol, Norman Lear, 139 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 2: he worked. I mean he worked into his late nineties, 140 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: which is an amazing thing. I think he probably worked 141 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: three or four hours a day. But what are three 142 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: or four hours? You know? But the thing about Norman 143 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 2: that I marveled at was he was eternally curious and 144 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: young people love that. He went like, he sought me 145 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: out when I had my first big hit, and I. 146 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: Just pick your brain just to get to know you. 147 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: He I got a call out of the blue, yeah, 148 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: and it was from Norman Lear. And I'm like, this 149 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: is not Norman Lear, because you know, I grew up 150 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: watching you know, I was six when All in the 151 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: Family came out, but I grew up with that show. 152 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: And I was like, this is no way he's calling me. 153 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: And I picked up the phone. It was like, who 154 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: is this really? And he goes, hey can know me, 155 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, really? And then I had 156 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: dinner with him and he would give me great advice. 157 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: And the thing I loved the most about him is 158 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: he would call during disappointments, like he called me when 159 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 2: the New Normal was canceled tonic, and he was like, 160 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 2: every every failure is I think he said like something 161 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: like every failure is a new open door. You can 162 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: walk through it best. And I recently at auction, I 163 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: bought one of Norman's ed Rashe paintings, and the painting 164 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: simply says truth. 165 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I like, I like, you know, living 166 00:08:58,920 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 3: indez of it all. 167 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: I like talking about my points of view and things 168 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: that are truthful to me. 169 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 3: I love that, And I'm like, why would. 170 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: I stop if I can keep my health? 171 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 3: You know? 172 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: What is the state of play out here? I mean 173 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: we did, we doubled them more than double the film 174 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: tax credit. We needed to do. That. Seems the industries 175 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: and life support out here, the world reinvent it is 176 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: competing against us globally, not just other states, which I 177 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: think we fully don't A lot of us don't fully 178 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: appreciate what's happening overseas. Yes, in particular, what more do 179 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: we need to do a lot more? I know tax 180 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: credit is still not sufficient, But what's your sense of 181 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: where where Hollywood, broadly described or defined will be in 182 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: a decade. If what doesn't happen, well, you. 183 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: Know, another changing of the guard to answer that question is, 184 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: you know, Hollywood used to be Hollywood. You know it 185 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,599 Speaker 2: was a dream place that it isn't now. But Hollywood 186 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: for the most part is without exception of tech business, 187 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 2: and it is thus much more of a bottom line business. 188 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: There's no there's there's no more of that sort of 189 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: you scratch, you know, you can have two bombs, but 190 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: if you give me a hit, we're good. Like it's that, 191 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: that's over. So it is a tech controlled landscape. Many 192 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: good things have come of that, I think. But I'll 193 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 2: tell you a story like I make between six and 194 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: eight things a year, and I was walking. 195 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: Through proving it's not once a quarter. But anyway, I'll 196 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: go back to that such bullshit. 197 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 3: But some of these I don't run. 198 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 2: I guess once a quarter, I could say my new 199 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 2: things that. 200 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: Are an estalogy. 201 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: And I was walking some of the lots to look 202 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 2: for safe space, and I was astonished at how it 203 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 2: is crickets like eight vacancies, people that I have grown 204 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 2: up with who run these lots walking out with tears 205 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: in their eyes please come here. And I think the 206 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: problem is you know, if you're wanting to shoot in 207 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: California and there's five other states that will give you. 208 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 3: Better tax credits, and now there's only one. So well, okay, 209 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 3: but for a. 210 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: While we were five and I used to you know, 211 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: and I'm very lucky and that I have enough clout 212 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 2: where I could say, no, I'm shooting this here, like 213 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: I will, I'm shooting this here. 214 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: So you know. 215 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: The thing that I've also been astonished with that's a 216 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 2: new feeling. Like I was directing All's Fair recently, my 217 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 2: Kim Show, and I had so many this is right 218 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: after the fires, and I had so many crew members 219 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: come up with tears in their eyes, thanking me for 220 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: staying in California because the problem is so many people 221 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 2: have left, and what has happened is they leave their families. 222 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,239 Speaker 3: And I know three. 223 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 2: People on my crewse who are currently going through divorces 224 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 2: because their families were broken up and they had to 225 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: leave for work. 226 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 3: And also. 227 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: It's very very difficult because you think of like generationally, 228 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 2: it's very easy for people in their twenties and thirties 229 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: to pick up and go to Georgia, of course, but 230 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: if you're in your. 231 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 3: Forties fifties sixties. 232 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 2: We're losing a whole generation of talent that cannot do that, 233 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: so they cannot go to where the work is. So 234 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 2: I find it heartbreaking. And I do admire and commend 235 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: you for what you have done, which is great, but 236 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: I think that the more we could do because it's 237 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: you know, Hollywood is more than just a state of mind. 238 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: It's a California legacy, you know what it really is, 239 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: and it's a worldwide legacy. And I think you and 240 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: I before this were talking about San Francisco, like two 241 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 2: years ago. I remember having a conversation with you saying, 242 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 2: what the hell is happening with San Francisco. But in 243 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: a recent trip, it's astonishing at how things can turn 244 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 2: around and how so resent you. That's like AI money, 245 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: I think, and a lot of tech stuff. But I 246 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: have great I have great hope, and I commend you, 247 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 2: but I say keep fighting the good fight because we 248 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 2: need you. 249 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 3: This town needs you to do more. 250 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: And and what I'm seeing is it's just not individuals, 251 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 2: it's families that are depending upon it. That's the thing 252 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: that I never really put two and two together. Like 253 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: if you're a young family and dad or mom has 254 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 2: to leave for four months, five months? 255 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 3: What do you do? 256 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: That's that's really difficult morally, spiritually. So anything we can 257 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 2: do to increase reasons why tech companies have a reason 258 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: to say, Okay, we'll keep that show here. And I'm 259 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: very lucky this fall, Like I have two things shooting 260 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 2: and I demanded that they both shoot here. Keeping keeping 261 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 2: you know, people together and keeping my crews together. That's 262 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 2: a very and I'm thinking about that more and more 263 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: and more. And because of the work that you've done, 264 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: it's become easier for me. 265 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: No good. 266 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 2: But you know, there's different things about the incentives that 267 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: are very hard too, like out of boundary, like you know, 268 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: stuff like that that we should take out. 269 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 3: It's hard, no, And the lottery system is also. 270 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: Right, which we're fixing and we've fixed. I mean, so 271 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: we went from three hundred and thirty million dollars seven 272 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million, and so the key was in 273 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: a challenging sort of environment political environment to least to 274 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: lock that in. Now we can start to unpack how 275 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: within that framework we can be more competitive and make 276 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: the adjustments. We've made a few, but we've got more 277 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: that obviously need to be done in that space. 278 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: But I mean, I really admire what you're doing. I 279 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: don't know any politician that I've met in my lifetime 280 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: who's gone through so much adversity from I mean, everything's not. 281 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: Much has happened last six years. I mean, are you 282 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: talking about Ryan? What are you talking about? 283 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I admire what you've done, and I know 284 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: that you, like you've also inherited many messes. God bless 285 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 2: so I acknowledge your work, and I say keep doing 286 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: it because people people are so appreciative for what you 287 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: recently have done, and I anything else you could do. 288 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: I'm here as an advocate for my company town, but 289 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: I think how you've turned things around in many areas 290 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 2: is commendable. You're my long term friend, and I say, 291 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: keep doing it. I appreciate it, keep helping us. I 292 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: appreciate it. 293 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: Before I let you go, Before I let you go 294 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: back to your kids or your farm, my farm, Okay, 295 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: stress test that what I mean? What's what are the 296 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: little scribbles on your little notepad? That a little you know, 297 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: the thing that's like you're looking four years from now. 298 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: You're like, oh you just wait, I've got a project. 299 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: I've got so I know you can't say anything, but 300 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: is it like a oh yeah, I can say, oh good, 301 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: what do you got? Bring it on? Then? 302 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 2: Well, you know it's interesting because my life is I'm 303 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: already working, Like I don't even know if I'm here 304 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: in this room because I'm like working. 305 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: A year ahead. Right. It was fun. 306 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: I heard an interview with Taylor Swift where she said 307 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: the same thing. I was like, Oh, I really relate 308 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: to this. It's like, I'm already planning my releases for 309 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. 310 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: Twenty seven. 311 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: We just talked about Jfkate Juniors that comes out six 312 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: twenty six, So like, I'm really sort of plotting well. 313 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 3: And I have two goals, to be honest, one. 314 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 2: Of which is to keep as many of my shows 315 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: in California as possible, which is why I'm glad to 316 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: be here today. 317 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: Well done. 318 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 3: And I want to do a. 319 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 2: Vampire show, which I've never done. 320 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: She did a little sci fi. Now we're on the vampires. 321 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I've had vampires in my work, like you 322 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 2: know American horror story Lady gg I famously played one. 323 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 2: I want to do that. And I want to do 324 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 2: a movie about faith. I'm working on my One of 325 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 2: my great friends is Dede Gardner, who runs Plan B 326 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: brad Pitt's company, and she and I are working on 327 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: a faith based movie that kind of puts me in 328 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 2: touch with my altra boy days. Look at that, which 329 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 2: people would never think of me doing. But I want 330 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: to do, like you said, I want to do something 331 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 2: optimistic and about perseverance and forgiveness. And so I'm working 332 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 2: on those things. I mean, vampires and you know, religious. 333 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: Vampires and faith. 334 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 2: It was obviously, well that's the secret of my career. 335 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: Do the opposite of what you just did. That's always 336 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: what I've done. And if you look at my year 337 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 2: roll out, it's everything is the opposite of the thing 338 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 2: they came before it. 339 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: You know, what are the big sports ones you're gonna do? 340 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 3: You know I just did one. 341 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 2: I did the Aaron Hernandez story, which is America sports story. 342 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 2: Give me forgetting come on, yeah, I don't know that. 343 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 3: I'll be like, if you ask. 344 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: Me, you talk a big game about your sports. I mean, 345 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to well connect your story. 346 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 2: My sports thing is my oldest child, who is twelve, 347 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: is wants to be Tom Brady. 348 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 3: Right, He's a. 349 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: Big of course he's twelve number twelve. 350 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a big football or yeah. 351 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: You see you got Giselle and Brady in your back 352 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: of your mind. 353 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 3: Of course, that's right, that's what I wanted to do. 354 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. 355 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 3: Do you know him? 356 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I met him. 357 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 3: He seems really cool. 358 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: See, I mean he's too perfect. 359 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: So I'm kind of living my sports now and I'm 360 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 3: starting to. 361 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: Read his blog every week now. He's got a new blog, 362 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: Tom Brady every Monday. Fantastic, like he like everything he 363 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: does is fantastic. It's upsetting, actually a certain. 364 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 3: What do you mean? 365 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: No, it's just a really well researched and written blog 366 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: he does every week, which is motivating. It's contemporary, it's 367 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: about health, it's about relationships, his relationship to what he's doing. 368 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: It's fresh, it's very thoughtful. 369 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's excellent. 370 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: It's like just interesting. 371 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 3: Do you use his products? 372 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: I haven't. It's interesting. I've started to notice a few 373 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: of them starting to get promoted. 374 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 2: So like your life, this is my last question for you, 375 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: as high pressured as you are, and like what is 376 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: your secret for keeping it all together? 377 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: Like what is your I'm gonna answer that. What's your 378 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: Do you have a morning routine? 379 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 3: I do. 380 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 2: My morning routine is I get up and I have 381 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 2: coffee and no one is allowed to talk to me. 382 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: Like what you just hear that guy? 383 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 2: I have an hour of like quiet reading, meditation. I'm 384 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 2: really cranky, and I try and do some But. 385 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: The kids know how to avoid you, or do you? 386 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 2: I mean they just I go to a room. Yeah, 387 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: they can't get Yeah, I mean anybody can get me. 388 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 2: Like if you have kids, you know, they can always 389 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 2: find devices. 390 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: They don't need you. 391 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 2: But I try and do some like movement. You know 392 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: what do you mean? 393 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 3: Movement? 394 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 2: I try and move I try and go on a walk. 395 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: I try and get on a treadmill. I try and 396 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 2: walk around. And that's part of the my Apple watch. 397 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: I count my steps. I'm very conscious about. 398 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: A cup of coffee. What are you eating every morning? 399 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: I eat the same boring ass. I am a person 400 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 2: of tradition. I have a vegan protein smoothie that has 401 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 2: eight fruits in it. I love that, and then I 402 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 2: have through a the day four to six vegetables. So wow, 403 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: I really work hard on that. 404 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: That's fantastic. 405 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I get a gold medal right, like I 406 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 2: will legit, but it's it's a practice, like you've got 407 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 2: to work at it, and it's not fun. 408 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: It's not you don't enjoy it, you know. 409 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 2: I enjoy the tradition of It's fine. 410 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 3: It's not that it's purple. It looks like blueberries. 411 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: What do you miss? You miss like bacon and eggs 412 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: from the back, pancakes. 413 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: But like, what do you do? What do you what's 414 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 2: your I'm the same thing I do, smoothie. But you're 415 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 2: a big exercise guy. 416 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit three four days a week. Yeah, 417 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: nothing exciting, but no, it's the fruit that's I'm religious 418 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: about it for years and years and years, but I 419 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: love it, Like I can't even imagine not having smoothier 420 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: just fruit until and I say noon whenever eleven thirty. 421 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: You're like a big dinner guy. 422 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: That's all I care about. 423 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 424 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: I live for me too, live for dinner. 425 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 2: And I'm in the middle of like a hideous ninety 426 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 2: day cleanse, So why are you doing that? Just I 427 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 2: just came back from vacation and I was like, this 428 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 2: is gross, Like it wasnation supposed to be the yeah, 429 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 2: but I just felt it was too much and I'm like, 430 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 2: I want to just spend the summer being one with the. 431 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 3: Soul stestn't try and get in some healthy thing, you. 432 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: Know, So an hour of sort of just you time meantime, 433 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 2: and that could also be reading or I stay up late, 434 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 2: you know, Like like I like to review what I'm 435 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: getting ready to present to people, because it's like being 436 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 2: a public It's like being a public speaker. You walk 437 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 2: into a room and I have people who are taking 438 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 2: notes and I perform the parts. My job is to 439 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: have people heading in the same direction, and I've become 440 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: better at it. I think, in the past year. 441 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: Are you a better business person than you've ever been before? 442 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: Or I would say, create more great, great a person. 443 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 2: I always used to think I was a lousy business person, 444 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: but then one day one of my agents said, you know, 445 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: you're really smart at business, and I was like, what 446 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 2: you know. I was like, I'm just like a creative person, 447 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 2: like a dumb artist. But that I but I I 448 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: I make it a daily practice. And if I don't 449 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 2: make my business a daily practice, I feel bad. I 450 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: feel guilty, you know. But I'm also like I'm kind 451 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 2: of insane. I have a very I love collecting art 452 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 2: like I love the I love that kind of stuff. 453 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: It's a I love that, you. 454 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: Know, aesthetic design. 455 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 3: It's my favorite thing. That's my hobby. 456 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 2: That's an art. That's how I like. I work on 457 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 2: a lot of projects like that. I think in another 458 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 2: life I would be a landscape designer or something because 459 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 2: I love that. I'm very odd. But like it's producing. 460 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 2: I'm producing. I have a vision and I love bringing 461 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: people together. Yea to fight as you do the same fight. 462 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: It's it's almost like being a television showrunner is almost 463 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 2: like being a governor. 464 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 3: You know, it's the same thing. It's exactly the same thing. 465 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 2: There's an opening about eighteen months. I'm just saying, can 466 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: you imagine me as the government? 467 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: You have a point of view. I don't know this. 468 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: I'm not so bad. What do you think? 469 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 3: I don't know. If it's a good dig I'll let 470 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 3: me ask you. What are you going to do next? 471 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just you know, this production by 472 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: the way, this production writing thing. 473 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 3: We should flip. 474 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: I've got a lot of I've got a lot of ideas. 475 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: There's a lot of ideas. I've been told you you 476 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: could run a studio. You have the glamour to run 477 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: a studio. You could Jesus what you ever want to? 478 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: I just need a pair of sunglasses. What do you 479 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: need down here? What do you do? 480 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 2: You need a point of view, You need a point 481 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: of view, and you also need to be able to 482 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: lead love that. Yeah, that's it. 483 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: People want to be n You did notice I looked down. 484 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: It's impressive. Yeah, I am very self conscious. 485 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 2: Now, why can't you talk openly about your future and 486 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: what you want? 487 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 3: Is there some day where that will happen. 488 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: I'm not uncomfortable. I'm just moving around. 489 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 3: It's very look at me. I haven't wedding. 490 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: Is there a day where you have given yourself to 491 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 2: make a decision about your future with that one's date? 492 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: I mean, it's what life evolves, you know, it works. 493 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: It's saying you want to create, you want space. 494 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: It's not a linear It's a very hard time to 495 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: be doing what you're doing. 496 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: It's different. I mean, it's yeah, there's a lot of 497 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: a lot of I mean this this got gotten serious, 498 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: very serious. What's going on in DC and what's going 499 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: on here? I mean, you got five thousand military in 500 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: the US city. You know he didn't send military overseas, 501 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: so that I'm here in the United States. 502 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 2: Do you ever speak to him privately? Yep, Yeah, because 503 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: I remember you two having from what I always heard 504 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 2: from you and from people close in that you had 505 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: a very nice relationship. 506 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: Ninety minutes in the Oval office a few months ago. 507 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: We had a really good conversation, and then eight hours 508 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: later tweets out new scum and and then federalizes the 509 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: National Guard. It's a it's a hell of a thing. 510 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: Of course. I no one worked with him more closely 511 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: as a governor, a democratic governor, than I did during COVID. 512 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it you know, it. 513 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: Was extraordinarily collaborative. So it's my mindset is open hand, 514 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: not a closed fist. But what he's doing now is 515 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 1: to vanalyze this country and this democracy and just you know, 516 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: people out on the streets just going about their day 517 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: and folks and masks coming up on mark cars. This 518 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: is different. This is different. So you know, when you 519 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: run for governor, we can talk about some strategies that 520 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: I think may work. 521 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 3: You can run my campaign, can. 522 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: Run your campaign. I'm going to do the creative and 523 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna come up. We're gonna come up with slogan. 524 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I want this. I think this 525 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: faith thing could work, and it may so I need 526 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: this to come out. 527 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 3: For the right. 528 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: I'm shocked my vampire thing. I may want to push 529 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: back the production schedule. We'll talk about faith. I'm only 530 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: going to talk about reconciliation. 531 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: I'm only going to send you copies of my shows 532 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 2: that are literally the sweetest, kindest. 533 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: I just no more. I don't need refrigerators. 534 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 2: You may, but the world does, the world wants it, 535 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 2: deal with it. Listen, they may call you in August. 536 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 2: I do things like that. It's not about the thing 537 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 2: in the refrigerator. It's a question of why is it 538 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 2: in the refrigerator? What happened to somebody? Yeah, no, I 539 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 2: get it's it's it's you know, this is what makes. 540 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: You qualifying to be actually governor. It's it's a human condition, 541 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: the same job. But sincerely, like literally, what is the 542 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: motivation the why? What's the sort of the essence of 543 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: the why? That's important. Politicians don't that. They don't explore that. 544 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 2: Well, that brings us back to the men Indez, you know, parole. 545 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 2: It's just it's the same thing. 546 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: Should I watch it? Before I make the decision. No, 547 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to. 548 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 2: You shouldn't. 549 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: I'm not going to. 550 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 2: And I admire you for your daughter not co opting 551 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: you into watch it. 552 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 3: Did she watch it? 553 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? They watched it. And it's they because there's a 554 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: few of them, not just one daughter. I mean I 555 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: they Yeah, come on, it was this was a cultural phenomenon, Yes, 556 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: took off. I mean they had to be in the 557 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: know when they went to school. The kids, other kids 558 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: were talking about and remarkable, like I've not experienced that. Well, 559 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: I have not experienced that as a father, obviously, not 560 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: in the position I am in where there's real accountability 561 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: on it. 562 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, on the positive side, the 563 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,479 Speaker 2: very idea that it would launch a conversation with your 564 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 2: kids is not a bad thing. No, it's great, And 565 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: I love that they're and I also they have a 566 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 2: point of view. 567 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: They have a point of view, and I'm allowed me 568 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: to explain how this all works. I mean, the idea 569 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: you're talking about with the parole system, commutations, resentencing what 570 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: youth offenders under the age of twenty six, and special 571 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: dispensation that's offered to youth offenders, and you're talking about 572 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: your twelve thirteen year old kids is a hell of 573 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: a thing. So in many ways it was great educational 574 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: It's been a great educational process. 575 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see, I hear that, I feel that. 576 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 577 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I get so many young people who write 578 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 2: me about it. But I guess we'll talk at the 579 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 2: end of August. 580 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about it when we launch your 581 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: campaign for governor California. 582 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 2: You have to resign and then run my campaign. I 583 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 2: would be the worst. I could never do that. 584 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: I'm not convinced. 585 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 2: I can't even run for mayor of West Hollywood. 586 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 3: I can't even do that. I would be too perfect. 587 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you got farming background, We've got the faith. 588 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: I'll mean everything about this. 589 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 3: Maybe I should. 590 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 2: Pray and plant vegetables instead. 591 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 3: Thank you for having men.