WEBVTT - Killer Mom Trial: Prosecution Calls 8 More Witnesses, Defense Continues To Score Points

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, that folks. It is Wednesday, August fifth, and we

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<v Speaker 1>are upset for another day of testimony in the triple

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<v Speaker 1>murder trial of Lindsey Clancy, the mom who did strangle

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<v Speaker 1>her three kids. And if it's anything like the past

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<v Speaker 1>several days, you can expect more drama and maybe even yes,

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<v Speaker 1>more points scored for the defense. And with that, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to this episode of Amy and TJ Roll. Just has

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<v Speaker 1>been day after day. We're not exactly sure what to expect,

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<v Speaker 1>but one thing that has been consistent as of late,

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<v Speaker 1>the defense is making some points and making some examples

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<v Speaker 1>of some of the prosecution witnesses.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true. I feel like each day it feels like

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<v Speaker 2>even though the defense hasn't technically put on its case yet,

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<v Speaker 2>it still has done a fantastic job in doing exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what they're supposed to do for their client, which is

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<v Speaker 2>to take some of these prosecution withhisnesses and call into

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<v Speaker 2>question what they're saying, why they're saying it, and planting

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<v Speaker 2>that seed of doubt that are more than a seed

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<v Speaker 2>of doubt that Lindsay Clancy was sane when she premeditated

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<v Speaker 2>the murders of her children because she wanted to live

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<v Speaker 2>a child free life and faked her suicide so that

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<v Speaker 2>she could get away with triple murder. Look, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>high bar, it seems like emotionally to reach when you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at a mom who seemingly loved her kids. But

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<v Speaker 2>the defense is doing a fantastic job at really trying

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<v Speaker 2>to or poking holes in what the prosecution is trying

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<v Speaker 2>to present to the jury. That this woman methodically planned

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<v Speaker 2>out her children's murders and wanted to ride off into

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<v Speaker 2>the sunset by herself.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, this was a high bar emotionally speaking to understand

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<v Speaker 1>how this woman is capable of this and she not

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<v Speaker 1>be insane or disturbed in some way. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>high bar. But jury, and I think all of us,

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<v Speaker 1>we're willing to listen to the prosecution make its case.

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<v Speaker 1>What we have been listening to so far. However, Robes

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<v Speaker 1>is prosecution witness after prosecution witness making the defense's case.

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<v Speaker 1>They get up there saying one thing, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>defense gets a hold in the cross examination and they

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<v Speaker 1>have to then admitt that the defense theory is sound.

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<v Speaker 1>How many go, Yes, I agree, Yes, that is possible. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you are right, it's Truehart. They haven't challenged the defense

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<v Speaker 1>argument once up there on the stand. Now one of

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<v Speaker 1>them has gone up and said, yep, I think she

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<v Speaker 1>was perfectly sane because blank blank blank.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so interesting because time it's true, because so often

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<v Speaker 2>the insanity defense, I mean, we know this historically, speaking

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the most difficult defenses to put on.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so hard in most murder cases to prove that

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<v Speaker 2>a defendant was insane at the time of the murder

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<v Speaker 2>or murderers in this case, But in the trial of

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<v Speaker 2>Lindsay Clancy, I feel like it's the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>Complete opposite, is exactly what we're seeing. There is a

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<v Speaker 1>treasure trove of evidence and robes. The trail goes for

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<v Speaker 1>months and even years as a woman had mental issues

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<v Speaker 1>severe and all this evidence from everybody talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>much more severe they get. Okay, So now that the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution is supposed to be telling us, proving to us

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<v Speaker 1>with its experts robes that no, it wasn't the case

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<v Speaker 1>because look, she planned it out, she was acting perfectly normal.

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<v Speaker 1>She sounded calm. That's what they told us in opening statements.

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<v Speaker 1>And then their expert got up there and said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when people are insightchosis, they often can appear calm, they

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<v Speaker 1>can make plans and be perfectly normal. Huh, Robs. The

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution case is Roves, and I have seen I know

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<v Speaker 1>you have as well, some legal experts in the analysis

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<v Speaker 1>saying this is not going well for the prosecution to

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<v Speaker 1>the point of embarrassment at some points.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and look it began. Day six began yesterday with

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<v Speaker 2>the emergency room surgeon who examined Lindsay Clancy when she

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<v Speaker 2>was first brought in. This was the first hospital she attended,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was combative with the defense for sure, but

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<v Speaker 2>she testified that the wounds on Lindsay Clancy were, in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>the ones on her neck and wrists that were self

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<v Speaker 2>inflicted were superficial. And even when the defense pushed back

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<v Speaker 2>and said, so you're saying they weren't deep, and she said, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't deep, and so she was really kind of

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<v Speaker 2>doubling down that these were not intended to actually do harm.

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<v Speaker 2>But eventually, and pretty quickly, I guess I should say,

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<v Speaker 2>the defense attorney was able to get her to admit that, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, Lindsay Clancy's injuries were at a level one,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the highest level of injuries. So much so

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<v Speaker 2>that she had to make and was a part of

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<v Speaker 2>the decision to move her to metavac her to another

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<v Speaker 2>hospital where she could be better treated for her egregious wounds.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he got her to admit that, yeah, she

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<v Speaker 2>even died that night at that next hospital, she went

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<v Speaker 2>into cardiac arrest, had a code blue. So for all

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<v Speaker 2>of this talk about superficial wounds, that kind of just

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<v Speaker 2>went away when she was forced to describe the life

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<v Speaker 2>threatening injuries that Lindsay Clancy in fact did.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind where are they saying all the blood came from

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<v Speaker 1>in the bedroom before she jumped, right, They talk about

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<v Speaker 1>blood being all over the place, And I keep hearing

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<v Speaker 1>about these wounds and she was describing them when the

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<v Speaker 1>cups cuts this deep and I'm like, wow, that sounds

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<v Speaker 1>pretty deep. She's called that one the superficial one, but

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<v Speaker 1>because it didn't go down to the muscle intendon, she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't consider it deep. Maybe that's a medical determination. But

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<v Speaker 1>ropes they described, They showed them pictures. There's blood all

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<v Speaker 1>over the place, yet superficial wound. It seems difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>create that. But yes, he's breaking this way. She wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to admit that she was a part of something and

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<v Speaker 1>then were you a part of the de say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it was a group of us kind of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we discussed it among gufs bro She I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why she was so combative. Well, if anybody

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<v Speaker 1>questions your work, I guess you would be defensive.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is where and but what the problem is,

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<v Speaker 2>at least for the prosecution, I should say, when you're

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<v Speaker 2>watching your witness testify to something that you're hoping lands

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<v Speaker 2>with a jury, that these wounds are superficial, that she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really try to kill herself, she didn't really want

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<v Speaker 2>to die. Yeah, when you see that same witness when

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<v Speaker 2>cross examines start getting super defensive, it's not good. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not good for their credibility at all. Obviously it's a

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<v Speaker 2>smart woman. She's a smart woman, she's an emergency room surgeon.

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<v Speaker 2>But getting defensive, getting combative, it's not a good look.

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<v Speaker 1>It suggests you have something to hide, It suggests you

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<v Speaker 1>did something wrong. Right, and again, when you see these

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<v Speaker 1>are the people we supposed to respect up there, they're

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<v Speaker 1>not on one side or another. They just give you

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<v Speaker 1>their facts. Yes, several of the witnesses that he is

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<v Speaker 1>he is getting them worked out rough.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And look, we won't go in chronological order because

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about the blood. So I think it's good

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about now this blood staining in those photos

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<v Speaker 2>that we saw. Yes, the blood on the nightstand, blood

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<v Speaker 2>on the carpet, blood in the basement. Actually, but one

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<v Speaker 2>of the big focuses was that you had a bloodstained pattern. Analyst.

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<v Speaker 2>This was actually the final this was the final witness

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<v Speaker 2>of the day. But she was describing the blood staining

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<v Speaker 2>under the bedroom window and on the shingles. And this

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<v Speaker 2>was a big point of contention because the prosecution is

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<v Speaker 2>trying to suggest that Lindsey Clancy didn't jump, didn't throw

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<v Speaker 2>herself out of the window to kill herself. No, she

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<v Speaker 2>lowered herself and tried to do as little damage as

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<v Speaker 2>possible to make it look like she jumped. But actually

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<v Speaker 2>she kind of just hung out the window and lowered herself.

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<v Speaker 2>And they claimed the blood stained patterns prove that. No.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the blood stained lady. She was nice. She

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<v Speaker 1>was nice under and the guy was coming after. Well

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't coming after. But I'm just saying she she

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<v Speaker 1>held up on new questioning, and she was the type

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<v Speaker 1>of witness it doesn't matter who the information looked good

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<v Speaker 1>for or bad for. She just gave it to Upstraate,

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<v Speaker 1>So I kind of I kind of appreciated that, but

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think as much about the the second part

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<v Speaker 1>of me going down the wall, which was fantastic, the

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<v Speaker 1>court room drama, but the idea of the suggestion with

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<v Speaker 1>the hands, it was important that, yes, that's blood, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it appeared that somebody was trying to jump out

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<v Speaker 1>of the window and not climb out of the wind.

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<v Speaker 1>It was important that point he was making. And red

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<v Speaker 1>brown stains we hear a lot, and they were suggesting

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<v Speaker 1>the reason they call it that is because you see

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<v Speaker 1>and you assume it's something, But that could be blood,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be other things. And he got her to

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<v Speaker 1>admit that, yes, even though it's a bread brown stain

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<v Speaker 1>and technic you don't have the analysis of blood, but

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't it make sense that it's blood all over the

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<v Speaker 1>room and it appears there was are handprint. That was

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<v Speaker 1>another point he got her to admit that, and he

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrated he was kind of holding onto the table in

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<v Speaker 1>the courtroom. Yeah, he was.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a showman, all right. He absolutely is someone to

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<v Speaker 2>watch and you pay attention when he talks, and he

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<v Speaker 2>the big deal was the prosecution was trying to focus

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<v Speaker 2>on the fact that there was a droplet on these shingles,

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<v Speaker 2>and that would imply that she stayed in one area

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<v Speaker 2>long enough that she was trying to lower herself and

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<v Speaker 2>so the blood dripped versus if you jumped, it would

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<v Speaker 2>splatter in a different way. But yes, then we had

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<v Speaker 2>that moment where the defense attorney said, look, so if

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to suggest she's Spider Man down the wall

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<v Speaker 2>of the house, wouldn't there be blood smear all the

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<v Speaker 2>way down and the blood the blood stained pattern. Analyst

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<v Speaker 2>had to say, yeah, we would have seen that. Did

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<v Speaker 2>you see that? No, we did not see that. So

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<v Speaker 2>he scored a really big point with this notion that

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<v Speaker 2>somehow she wasn't actually trying to jump out of the window.

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<v Speaker 1>See, this is another one robes for the prosecution. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're making do you not know that question is going

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<v Speaker 1>to get asked robes. That was for a I understand

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<v Speaker 1>that no matter what level of education you have, you're

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in that jury box. Did she Spider Man down

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<v Speaker 1>the wall? I know exactly what that means. And the

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<v Speaker 1>blood expert, who so far is a really nice lady

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<v Speaker 1>that I like up on the stand just told me

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<v Speaker 1>there is no blood from this fully bleeding lady going

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<v Speaker 1>down the wall. It means she didn't carefully come out.

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<v Speaker 1>It suggests again Robes that this lady tried to kill herself.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, this lady is sitting there at

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<v Speaker 2>the defense table in a wheelchair. So look, I understand

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to say she didn't mean to die, or

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<v Speaker 2>she wasn't trying to die, but she paralyzed herself from

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<v Speaker 2>the waist down. That's a fact that is seen each

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<v Speaker 2>minute of each day those jurors are in court. They're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing a woman who, I would think it's fairly fair

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<v Speaker 2>to draw the conclusion tried to kill herself. No one

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<v Speaker 2>wants to live paralyzed for the rest of their life.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're carefully trying to come down a second

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<v Speaker 2>story window, she didn't do a good job of that. Then,

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<v Speaker 2>even because she fell at least far enough to paralyze herself, they're.

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<v Speaker 1>Telling us that a woman who slashed her own neck

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<v Speaker 1>and her wrists and then threw herself out of a window,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a fake attempt to cover up that she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to kill her three kids because she just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be free. That is their narrative. That's a tough one, baby,

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<v Speaker 1>that's really tough.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm so shocked by that the prosecution felt

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<v Speaker 2>like they didn't already have a sympathetic character. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's understandable that obviously the children are the victims, that

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<v Speaker 2>is where the sympathy is obviously should go towards. But

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<v Speaker 2>still you do have a mother who appears to me

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<v Speaker 2>very sympathetic, and to to try to explain or try

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<v Speaker 2>to convince a jury that she's not that she's a monster,

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<v Speaker 2>that she tried to preserve her own life while killing

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<v Speaker 2>her children. I think it's tough when you just see

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<v Speaker 2>her in that courtroom, how she's responding the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>she's in a wheelchair, and combined with what the defense

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<v Speaker 2>is doing so far, it doesn't feel like the prosecution

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<v Speaker 2>has made much headway at all.

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<v Speaker 1>This trial has solidified what we already suspected is that

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<v Speaker 1>this was a sick woman and the prosecution has chosen

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<v Speaker 1>to do this trial. And maybe this does serve a

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<v Speaker 1>good purpose for us robes because we hear somebody kill

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<v Speaker 1>their three kids, we want to get mad at that.

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<v Speaker 1>Person immediately the stories that came out, and now sitting

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<v Speaker 1>through this trial, they have really confirmed just how sick

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<v Speaker 1>this woman was.

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<v Speaker 2>I would try to completely agree with that. When we

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<v Speaker 2>come back, we're going to talk about the other witnesses

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<v Speaker 2>that took the stand, including two troopers, and why the

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<v Speaker 2>defense got so upset when three toxicologists took the stand.

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<v Speaker 2>It all has everything to do with the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>Lindsay Clancy spoke at the beginning of day six and

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<v Speaker 2>what she had to say created a lot of drama

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<v Speaker 2>later on in the trial. Welcome back everyone to Amy

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<v Speaker 2>and TJ. We are talking about day six of the

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<v Speaker 2>Lindsay Clancy trial. And look, we had an episode on

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<v Speaker 2>this yesterday because it was fairly shocking. At the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of the trial, day day six, we had Lindsay Clancy's

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<v Speaker 2>stand up answer a bunch of questions by the judge

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<v Speaker 2>because she and her attorneys agreed along with the prosecution

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<v Speaker 2>to concede certain facts including DNA, blood evidence, chain of custody,

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<v Speaker 2>all of those things that typically a prosecution would have

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<v Speaker 2>to prove to try and say this person murdered these children.

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<v Speaker 2>She's conceded that, she's admitted that, so they wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>basically say, hey, we don't have to go through all

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<v Speaker 2>of this testimony, dozens of witnesses to try and prove

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<v Speaker 2>some DNA, some chain of evidence, so we can skip

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<v Speaker 2>all that she agreed to stipulate some of these facts.

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<v Speaker 2>We can move on, right, So then why did the

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<v Speaker 2>prosecution end up calling three toxicologists to talk about what's

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<v Speaker 2>in and lindsay Clancy's blood and urine, what we were

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<v Speaker 2>in the children's urine. At a certain point, the defense

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<v Speaker 2>questioned why we have to have so many toxicologists after

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<v Speaker 2>they had already agreed to many of these facts, which

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<v Speaker 2>then created a sidebar. Yes, and then the judge coming

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<v Speaker 2>back and actually telling the jurors about this agreement about

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<v Speaker 2>the stipulation, But it begs the question, why was the

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<v Speaker 2>prosecution pushing it regardless of what had been agreed to earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't give that answer an open court, right because

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<v Speaker 1>I was curious to know, because I was I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get it. After the whole stipulations, things supposed to go faster,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we were going through the same stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>two sides. Why are we giving testimony about something that

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<v Speaker 1>both sides completely agree to? Is the point. That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was listening to some legal analysis, and the

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<v Speaker 2>best guess is that the prosecution still understands that the

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<v Speaker 2>more they can talk about blood evidence, the more they

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<v Speaker 2>can talk about DNA and some of the gruesomeness and

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<v Speaker 2>the crime scene and the photos, all of that you're creating,

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<v Speaker 2>or you're continuing to push the jury to think about

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<v Speaker 2>those kids, to think about what happened to those kids,

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<v Speaker 2>to think about the pain and the injury caused to

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<v Speaker 2>those kids, and then the anger would be directed at

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<v Speaker 2>the mom. The anger would then be directed at the

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<v Speaker 2>defense table. So the more you can keep talking about this,

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<v Speaker 2>the better the chance is they have of convincing a

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<v Speaker 2>jury that she is the monster in the room. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the best guess. But look, then, why agree to move

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<v Speaker 2>on and move from these types of witnesses testifying to

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<v Speaker 2>the exact evidence that they've already agreed is factual.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an emotional miscalculation right now. I mean, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm emotional about the kids, we all are. But your

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<v Speaker 1>next thing, Robes is too like you want to blame somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>I start going back to doctors, to her, her husband

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<v Speaker 1>and loved ones and what was missed and all these things,

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<v Speaker 1>not to blame other folks, but you want to learn

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<v Speaker 1>from it. Robes. We all do to identify this, to

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<v Speaker 1>start talking more about women and postpartum and what that

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<v Speaker 1>really does. Robes. This is incredibly important, but it's also

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<v Speaker 1>important how we talk about mental illness right now and

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening in the courtroom and how the prosecution is

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<v Speaker 1>handling Itbes. It doesn't It doesn't make you hate this lady.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And it doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel right

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<v Speaker 2>coming from the prosecution. That's all I can say.

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<v Speaker 1>Some feels wrong about the prosecution.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it feels like, and that's just from an

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<v Speaker 2>outside perspective. But also they had troopers, two different police

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<v Speaker 2>officers who were there collecting evidence at the scene also

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<v Speaker 2>testify yesterday to and they were focusing on the number

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<v Speaker 2>of prescription drug bottles that they recovered and they lined

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<v Speaker 2>them all up and they showed the photos of them.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've seen the prosecution trying to be this drum

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<v Speaker 2>before that. Even though there were a lot of pill bottles,

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<v Speaker 2>there were a ton of pills in each of the bottles.

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<v Speaker 2>In one of the pills there was still a full

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<v Speaker 2>thirty count the suggestion being that the drugs weren't to blame,

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<v Speaker 2>the suggestion being that the doctors weren't to blame for

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<v Speaker 2>over medicating her, That she wasn't even taking many of

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<v Speaker 2>these medications. And they're trying to imply that even though yes,

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<v Speaker 2>she did have some in her system, the benzo diazepines

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<v Speaker 2>benzodiazepines were in her blood and urine that's to treat

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<v Speaker 2>insomnia and anxiety. As some of the other drugs that

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<v Speaker 2>the defenses pointing to that exacerbated her situation weren't in

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<v Speaker 2>We're still in the pill bottles. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what headway they made there, just trying to say, look,

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<v Speaker 2>she wasn't taking all of these drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I wouldn't some suggest that weren't they supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>help her? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so yeah, and why would you need to take

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<v Speaker 2>drugs because you're suffering from mental illness, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>whole point the defense is trying to bring home.

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<v Speaker 1>I just we'll see how this. I am only a

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<v Speaker 1>half day today, right, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So today is going to be today's day seven of testimony.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be a shorter day. The judge already

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<v Speaker 2>announced that to jurors they will be listening to testimony

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<v Speaker 2>from nine am until one pm, and then the judge

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<v Speaker 2>says that he wants to work some things out with

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<v Speaker 2>lawyers in the afternoon. We don't know what that is

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<v Speaker 2>and will we have been able to see unless it's

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<v Speaker 2>a sidebar. We have been able to see a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of what goes on outside of the jury. Unclear if

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<v Speaker 2>we'll be able to see what's happening in the afternoon session.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be on the record or not be interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you always starts at nine o'clock, if you

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<v Speaker 1>all get a chance as being live stream. But just

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<v Speaker 1>this is something that some hellodrama, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>such an important story, bros. Moving forward in how we

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<v Speaker 1>discuss women and postpartum issues.

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<v Speaker 2>It's huge. This is actually the national spotlight that I

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<v Speaker 2>think is super important for this very this little understood

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<v Speaker 2>yet very serious mental health condition that affects so many

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<v Speaker 2>women different varying degrees obviously from postpartum depression all the

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<v Speaker 2>way to this extreme postpartum psychosis. But it's just a

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<v Speaker 2>shame that it took a tragedy on this level for

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<v Speaker 2>it to reach the forefront. But we'll continue to watch

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<v Speaker 2>all of the events inside that Massachusetts courtroom today and

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<v Speaker 2>bring you the very latest. We always appreciate you listening

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<v Speaker 2>to us. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>sore