1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Habemos Popham. We have a Pope Leo the fourteenth. Now 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: the media are telling you he's an American, he's a 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: White Sox fan. But we have the full portrait of 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: the new Pope and what it means to the church 5 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: on this edition of The Conclave Crew. Welcome to this 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Royal Grande series, The Conclave Crew Vatican Edition, Episode six. 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by our friends at 8 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: Taylor for Gone Capital, Management, Faith, family and Finances. Visit 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: them at Taylorfregan dot com, as well as Floriani Revitalizing 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: Sacred music at Floriani dot org. Who is the new 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: Pope Leo the fourteenth. Let's convene the crew, Father Gerald 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: Murray Cannon, lawyer from the Archdiocese of New York, and 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: Robert Royal, editor in chief of The Catholic Thing dot org. Gents, 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: thanks for being here. I'm Raymond Arroyo. Go subscribe to 15 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: the Royal Grande Podcast on iHeart Apples, Spotify or on 16 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: you Tube at the Arroyo Grande show page and like 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: this episode. Pope Leo the fourteenth, Robert Privos was the 18 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: dark horse candidate in this conflict. We even discussed him 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: in earlier episodes, including yesterday, Robert, you called him out, 20 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: you mentioned him. 21 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: Actually, we were in. 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: That discussion some online. We're giving him credit for that. 23 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: So here I'm tipping my hat to you, Robert. He's 24 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: a sixty nine year old Chicago native an Augustinian priest. 25 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: He spent most of his life as a missionary bishop 26 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: in Peru. Then he was tapped by Pope Francis to 27 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: run the Vatican office that selects and appoints bishops three 28 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: years ago. Two years ago, he was made a cardinal. 29 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: His appearance was greeted with cheers in Saint Peter's Square. 30 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: Chance let's start with the name. I have to tell you, 31 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: I was standing in the square. The Italians were not. 32 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: Too happy with this selection. 33 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: The Americans were jubilant. The Italians were a little less. 34 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: So let's start with the name from Leo the Great. 35 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: There have been thirteen popes with that name, Leo. Why 36 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: do you think he chose it, Father Jerry. 37 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 3: I think he's signaling that he wants to continue with 38 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 3: the teaching of Pope Leo the thirteenth, who is the 39 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: father of Catholic social teaching in the modern era, and 40 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 3: precisely because Leo the thirteenth was a great defender of 41 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 3: the working man, of the rights of workers to organize, 42 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 3: to form unions. But we also have to remember that 43 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 3: he also condemned socialism, and he defended the right to 44 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 3: private property, which in reality is also part of Catholic 45 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 3: social teaching, despite what some social justice warriors occasionally claim. 46 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 3: So I think this is a very important signal that 47 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 3: he is very interested in the social teaching of the Church, 48 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 3: maintaining a presence in the we could say the public 49 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 3: square as regards economic life. 50 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: Bob further reflections on that that choice of Leo I 51 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: was surprised. 52 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: Actually another Leo I. 53 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 4: Was too, I must say, and look, Benedict the sixteenth 54 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 4: chose to follow Benedict the fifteenth, who was early in 55 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 4: the twentieth century and helped to build up a sense 56 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 4: of peace at a time of war. I get the 57 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 4: impression that Leo the fourteenth wants to reach back, as 58 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 4: father was saying, to that foundation of modern Catholic social 59 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 4: thought in Leo the thirteenth. In my book A Deeper Vision, 60 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 4: which is about the modern Catholic intellectual tradition, I have 61 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 4: a great, an intricate and careful analysis of what Leo did. 62 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: And one of the things that. 63 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 4: Leo did was he also created the resurgence of studies 64 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 4: of same time as aquirements, and he linked the two 65 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 4: so much so that my friend Russell Hittinger, who's an 66 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 4: expert on natural law and modern Catholic social thought, has 67 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 4: pointed out that Leo never talked about social thought without 68 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 4: mentioning Thomas. Now, I don't know that Leo the fourteenth 69 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 4: has exactly got that in mind, but I would hope 70 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 4: that he would not just accept the framework of modern 71 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 4: politics and economics, but would actually be reaching deeply into 72 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 4: our Catholic tradition. 73 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 3: Of thinking about society. 74 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 4: And bring something new and dynamic and creative to a 75 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 4: circumstance that is very, very troubling in many ways. 76 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: Father, What did you make of the mozetta that he 77 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: was wearing that red cape that is traditional for the 78 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: pope to wear. I mean, we did not see that 79 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: from Pope Francis. I mean, though he is considered Leo 80 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: the fourteenth is considered to be in the vein of 81 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: Pope Francis, and we'll get altered into that in a moment, 82 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: But contrast that image with that of Pope Francis the 83 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: first time we saw him. 84 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: Yes, Leo made the conscious choice to observe the traditional 85 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 3: practice that popes come out. They're wearing the white cassi 86 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: for the first time, but then they're wearing the mozetta, 87 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: which is red, which is the symbol of a bishop. 88 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 3: They're wearing the pope wears then the red stole symbol 89 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 3: and anything martyrdom. And then there are two martyrs pictured 90 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 3: on that, Peter and Paul, who are the two founders 91 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 3: that we say of the church in Rome. And then 92 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 3: he of course then followed the ritual very carefully, because 93 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: there's a ritual with some prayers which go back, you know, 94 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 3: to the old Mass. Even those prayers they were I 95 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 3: was listening to them. He has, by the ways, Latin 96 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 3: is very good. He said them worst beautifully. He had 97 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: written out his comments in Italian, which probably reflects the 98 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 3: fact that he doesn't think spontaneously in Italian, so he 99 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: wanted to have them written. But they were good remarks, 100 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 3: so I was impressed. He was sending a signal of 101 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 3: continuity with previous posts. Pope Francis, basically we learned from 102 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 3: sources that he viewed that as too much of a spectacle, 103 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 3: and he didn't want to participate in it. But in 104 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 3: a way you could say that Pope Leo was subsuming 105 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 3: his personality right into the office and was stepping away 106 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 3: from making How can we say statements that indicate personal preferences? 107 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: He did say in his first address, and I remember, 108 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, I couldn't make it all out, because as 109 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: we've been commenting it, it was very hard to hear 110 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: in Saint Peter Square or above it. He did say, 111 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: we need to be a sonotyl church and reach out 112 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: in dialogue and encounter. What does that mean, Robert Royle? 113 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 4: Well, look, it can mean any number of things, because, 114 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 4: as we've said over and over against cinidality itself is 115 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 4: kind of an empty sack that could be either filled 116 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 4: or not filled, depending on who the pope happens to be. Yeah, 117 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 4: he really did emphasize the continuity with Francis quite a bit. 118 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 4: But his father rightly says, not only in the way 119 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 4: that he vested himself or was vested for the event yesterday, 120 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 4: but the way he carries himself. He conveys, I've spoken 121 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 4: to a number of people back home in America as 122 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 4: well as here in Rome and the way he conducts 123 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 4: himself is as a serious man. I'm mature man who's 124 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 4: careful about what he says and brings a kind of 125 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 4: I think he brings back a little bit of the 126 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 4: majesty already of what the Pope is like, even though 127 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 4: he's an American and we're not supposed to have, you know, 128 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 4: sort of of that kind of mentality in us. It'll 129 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 4: be interesting to see where that goes, because you can 130 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 4: be you can be in continuity with the previous pope 131 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 4: and yet at the same time practice a certain innovation. 132 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 4: And the very fact that he chose that name that 133 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 4: jumped back a century and more to the name of Leo. 134 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 4: It'll be interesting to see where he goes. 135 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: And I don't think we can predict. Father. 136 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: I thought of you when I heard that we were 137 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: standing on the balcony together. You were doing a hit 138 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: and I was right there, and I thought, my gosh, 139 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: how much time have we spent trying to determine what 140 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: the term citidelity means? And here's the Pope saying we 141 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: need a sonotyl church. I've been waiting for this. What 142 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: is your take on that? And what do you think 143 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: he intends? 144 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 3: Well? I think he's signaling to the cardinals and others, 145 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 3: particularly the cardinals who voted for him, that he is 146 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: going to not stop this Sonadyl process that Poe Francis began, 147 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: because it's quite clear those who criticized the Sonadyl path 148 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 3: were hoping to elect a pope who would put an 149 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 3: end to it. This certainly was my hope, because cinidality 150 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 3: is a vague concept, and it really is a change 151 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 3: from what it originally meant. Cinnidale is based on the 152 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: word sind sined in the modern sense, was created by 153 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: Paul the six after a Vatican two to have a 154 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 3: forum in which bishops throughout the world would meet periodically 155 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 3: to advise the pope on the needs of the church 156 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 3: in the modern world. Pope Francis turned it into a 157 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: meeting of laity, priests, deacons, nuns, and bishops and gave 158 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: everybody an equal vote. And this was indicative. It's kind 159 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 3: of like it was a stage post or a way 160 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 3: station on the way to what they're going to have 161 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty eight, which is the ecclesial Assembly in 162 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 3: which bishops will not be the majority in Rome. And 163 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 3: I wrote a column at the Catholic thing, tearing into 164 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: it which it deserves to be. We are not a 165 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 3: church in which the hierarchy is an appendage. It's a 166 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 3: hierarchical church with synidal experiences. It's not a synidel church 167 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 3: with hierarchical appendages. That's what I'm very much afraid of. 168 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: So it's not clear what Leo means by cynidal church. 169 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 3: But if it means the ecclesial Assembly in twenty twenty eight, 170 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 3: well get ready because there's going to be a lot 171 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 3: of opposition based on the fact that this is completely 172 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 3: at odds with the hierarchical nature of the Catholic Church. 173 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: Well, it's also at odds with the founding of the church. 174 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: The Lord didn't bring all the disciples and everybody following 175 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: him through Galley and say, hey, guys, you all of 176 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: the power to loose and bind. Whatever you bind on 177 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: earth is bond in Heaven, and loosed on earth is 178 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: loosed in earth. No, he gave that only to Peter 179 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: and then to the apostles. It's a very limited group. 180 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: So it does kind of corrupt the vision of church 181 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: governance when you start bringing atheists in and non believers 182 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: in and everybody and their dog in and then you 183 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: and only a select group of cardinals who. 184 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: Agree with you. That's a problem, Bob, I'll give you 185 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 2: the last word on this. 186 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that the next stage to look toward 187 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 4: because for others, right the twenty twenty eight is if 188 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 4: that's going to continue on the way it was originally planned, 189 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 4: that's going to be a big problem. 190 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: Which we know that the grove from the Jameli clinic 191 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: from his really his hospital bed. 192 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 4: But we know that in June, those ten study groups 193 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 4: that were established at the end of the last Senate 194 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 4: in October, that basically took the hot button issues off 195 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 4: the table. Women, deacons, you know, all that sort of stuff. 196 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 4: Their reports are doing June. So presumably those committees have 197 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 4: been working on this all this time in spite of 198 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 4: the fact that Francis was ill. They're supposed to deliver 199 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 4: reports in June. If they do that and they are 200 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 4: submitted to Pope Leo, we can see how he reacts 201 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 4: to that, what he's going to do with him. Does 202 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 4: he immediately kind of publish them, or does he say, well, 203 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 4: you know, let me think this. 204 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 3: Over a bit. 205 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 4: That'll be our first indication. I think our first solid 206 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 4: indication of what he intends to do. 207 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: Look, we always said, and I was told by cardinals, 208 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 1: including many of whom we had meetings and dinners and 209 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: encounters with over the last ten days or so, that 210 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: an American could not be named Pope. America is already 211 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: powerful enough. You don't need an American pope. Yet, Pope 212 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: Leo is the first American in history. Why do you 213 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: think they elected him, Father, I'm told in part because 214 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: of the financial straits of the Vatican, a two billion 215 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 1: dollar deficit, four hundred million dollars in unpaid pensions. 216 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: Father, Why an American? 217 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 3: Well, I think that's one of the two important reasons. Well, 218 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 3: there are number reason but I'll give two that I 219 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 3: think are important. One is precisely this. They understand that 220 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: someone coming what we call the Anglo sphere, in other words, 221 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: the Anglo Saxon world English speaking world, that financial competence 222 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 3: and rigor are normal in the operations of the economies 223 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 3: of England, Australia, Canada and the United States. And therefore 224 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 3: there's hope that he will bring that kind of vision 225 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 3: to the reform here. Because we're talking two billion dollar 226 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 3: pension hold, we're talking major operating deficits every year. We're 227 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 3: talking mismanagement of assets. So hopefully Pope Leo will bring 228 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: in some very serious and powerful minds and voices to 229 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 3: say no, we're going to top to bottom renewal. Secondly, 230 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 3: he really is a Latin American in experience because his 231 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 3: priesthood has lived in Peru at the beginning and then 232 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: at the end when he was a bishop in Chiclio. 233 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 3: His Spanish is perfect, so he is by experience he's 234 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 3: really a Latin American, but he's also in North America, 235 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 3: and so he's both Americans. I think that was attracted. 236 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 3: You know. Other reasons of court has to do with 237 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 3: the fact that he was appointed to this important position 238 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 3: at the Dicastra of bitious Bipope France hasn't made a 239 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 3: cardinal by him, So the continuity with Pope Francis is 240 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 3: assumed by those who voted for him, because they would 241 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 3: say he wouldn't be here to be elected pope if 242 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: it weren't for Pope Francis. Those are some of the 243 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 3: things I think are going on. 244 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: Bob, how do you think this will impact having an 245 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: American pope Pope Leo? 246 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: How will that. 247 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: Impact his relationship with America, which we have to say 248 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: has been tense since Trump came to town. 249 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. Look, I hear some people saying, and this is 250 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 4: part of that over speculation that takes place at a 251 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 4: moment like this. I hear some people saying that the 252 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 4: Cardinals chose him to confront Trump. I think this is 253 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 4: utter nonsense, because what they're primarily concerned about are some 254 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 4: of the issues we just mentioned that are really pressing 255 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 4: on the church at this moment. In fact, it might 256 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 4: actually help that he knows the United States pretty well. 257 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 4: I was a little bit disappointed that he didn't use 258 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 4: any English during his initial address last evening, because look, 259 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 4: he is, Yes, he is very much a Latin American. 260 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 4: Now he's very much a Roman. He's spent a number 261 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 4: of years now in Rome. But darn it, you know 262 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 4: you are who you are. I mean, he started on 263 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 4: the South side of Chicago. I think you ought to 264 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 4: be proud of that. And it's you know, we are 265 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 4: all sensitive to the cultural issues like centidality, homosexuality, you know, women, priests, 266 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 4: all that. 267 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 3: Sort of thing. 268 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 4: But I think he's shown himself to be a safe 269 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 4: pair of hands. And as I said earlier, he's impressed 270 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 4: a number of people. He's even impressed me. I mean, 271 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 4: I'm just seeing him on TV, but he's he the 272 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 4: emotion that he showed last night and the kind of 273 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 4: maturity that he seems to radiate. I think if you 274 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 4: were looking around and saying, look, we need to clean 275 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 4: house here in Rome and calm down a bit and 276 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 4: take some of those practical steps that we know we 277 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 4: need to take, but we don't seem to have been 278 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 4: able to do. You could You could be worse. And 279 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 4: on top of it, he knows a lot of these 280 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 4: bishops who have been appointed because he was the headman 281 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 4: in that that office. So there are a number of 282 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 4: things that come together that could be helpful. He probably 283 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 4: isn't going to look that American to most Americans back 284 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 4: in North. 285 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 3: America, but he is an American. 286 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I want rub it in that that I 287 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 4: won't put rub it in that I projected yesterday that 288 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 4: it's not impossible. 289 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: Well, well we have the video evidence. Unfortunately, or I 290 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: would deprive you of that, but I can't. And look, 291 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: in his first Mass at the Assistine Chapel, the Pope 292 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: used the crozure of Poe Benedict, so so it's being 293 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: reported others say that that Crozier is actually Paul the six. 294 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: I don't know who's right here, but does that have 295 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: any meaning? 296 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: Father? 297 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 3: Yes? And he also began the sermon in English. He 298 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 3: did off the coup remarks, and he could. I think 299 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 3: somebody told them, you know, the Americans are waiting for 300 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 3: you to talk in English at the balcony, which he 301 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 3: didn't do. 302 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 303 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 3: I mean he's stressing continuity, and uh, it's with not 304 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 3: just Francis, but Pope Benedict and even John Paul. He 305 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 3: had quoted John Paul. And let's just say this. The 306 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 3: sermon was a very serious sermon in which he talked 307 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 3: about practical atheism, talked about challenges in the modern world 308 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 3: that the Church faces. He talked about the necessity of 309 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 3: preaching the Gospel to the world christo centric, we would say, 310 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 3: centered on Christ. So I was impressed with the sermon, 311 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 3: and I think the cardinals listening were too. Yeah. 312 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: Look, anytime you mentioned ignacious of Antioch and giving yourself, 313 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: you know, for the faith, that's pretty good stuff. I 314 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: want to give the audience a little taste. This is 315 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: the opening of his homily, which he pronounced in English. 316 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 5: Watch begin with a word in English and the rest 317 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 5: is in Italian. But I want to repeat the words 318 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 5: from the response Orial Psalm. I will sing a new 319 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 5: song to the Lord because he has done marvels, and indeed, 320 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 5: not just with me, but with all of us, my 321 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 5: brother cardinals, as we celebrate this morning, I invite you 322 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 5: to recognize the marvels that the Lord has done, the 323 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 5: blessings that the Lord continues to pour out upon all 324 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 5: of us through the ministry of Peter. You have called 325 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 5: me to carry that cross and to be blessed with 326 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 5: that mission. And I know I can rely on each 327 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 5: and every one of you to walk with me as 328 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 5: we continue as a church, as a community of friends 329 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 5: of Jesus, as believers, to announce the good News, to 330 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 5: announce the Gospel. 331 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 2: Bob, what do you make of that? 332 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 4: Well, look, it's nice. 333 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 3: And we had a pope. 334 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 4: Someone priest pointed out to me a little while ago 335 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 4: that Pope Francis was really the only modern pope in 336 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 4: the twentieth century and on who didn't speak English, and 337 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 4: that doubtless tilted his understanding of the world somewhat. 338 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 2: And I think. 339 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 4: We have to expect that Pope Leo is also because 340 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 4: he's largely now a Latin American and his mentality is 341 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 4: going to be absorbed somewhat into that view. But if 342 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 4: he's very serious about presenting the Gospel to the world, 343 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 4: and he's serious about how the church is going to 344 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 4: form the world at this moment of transition that we 345 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 4: seem to be in a variety of ways, we're going 346 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 4: to have to bring in some new energies. And I 347 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 4: think some of those energies are going to have to 348 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 4: come from English speaking sources, because we're the place where 349 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 4: the modern world has actually succeeded, at least economically, you know, 350 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 4: more or less politically. We have all kinds of crises 351 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 4: in the English speaking world. But for him to step 352 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 4: out with that, I think is going to expand the 353 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 4: mentality a little bit. Because what language you use makes 354 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 4: a difference. 355 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 356 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: Well, and our contry of Father Murray said yesterday on 357 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: the podcast that this should be the basic and foundational 358 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: language used at the that and that it should be English. 359 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 2: Maybe he's listening to the podcast, Father. 360 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 3: Well, in the global world, you want to imitate the 361 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 3: UN start using English. I mean, yeah, it's uh, oh, 362 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 3: I've said I've thought this for a long time. English 363 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 3: is the language. I mean, airplane pilots have to know English, 364 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 3: and it's a practicality that things get done easily when 365 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 3: people can understand each other. So yeah, that would be 366 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 3: a basics that battalion is this minor language in the 367 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 3: old or a world picture. It's important because it's the 368 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 3: language of the Holy See. 369 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 2: We had a few comments. 370 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: Some were saying, oh, Father Murray is saying we should 371 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: replace the Latin with English. No, no, no, he's saying 372 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: the language used to converse in Vatican offices and in 373 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: the Vatican City state right now, it's Italian, it's not Latin. 374 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 3: Yeah no, And let me note this. He's a canon lawyer, 375 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 3: the new Poe, and I'm a canon lawyer, so I 376 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 3: like that. But I like it for other reasons. But 377 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 3: you know, one of which is the laws written in Latin, 378 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 3: because that is a whole history up to this point. 379 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 3: And then with all the different translations, good to have 380 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 3: a reference point. So kind of Lord should stay in Latin. 381 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean office memos in English would be 382 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 3: very practical. 383 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: Father Pope Leo has asked all the courial heads. That 384 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: means all the men who run and women in some 385 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: cases these various dicastries in the Vatican, the Vatican offices, 386 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: he's asked them to stay in their positions for the 387 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: time being, to keep their respective jobs until further Notice. 388 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 2: What does that tell you? 389 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a standard practice when the new pope comes in, 390 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 3: and it's a wise practice because you know, when the 391 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 3: office is reopen after this, you know, momentous time of 392 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 3: the pope's death and the burial and now the election 393 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 3: new pope. You know, there's a lot of work that 394 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 3: has to be done, and if the leader is not 395 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 3: there at each of these departments, it becomes a little 396 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 3: bit difficult the real but the tell, as they would say, 397 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 3: is going to be who does he replace and who 398 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 3: does he keep in place? Because you know, the heads 399 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 3: of these dicasteries were very much disciples of Pope Francis 400 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 3: and often opponents of implementing radical ideas at an accelerated pace. 401 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 3: Even so, we'll get a read on Pope frances on 402 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 3: Pope Leo's continuity program by seeing who's laughed and who's replaced. 403 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: Bob Poblio spent a lot of time in Peru. How 404 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: does that experience that missionary experience shape this pontificate. I mean, 405 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: you heard it in his opening comment when he was 406 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: on the Logia the other day, basically that the pastors 407 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: should smell of the sheep and they have to walk 408 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: with the people. 409 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, Peru has been a very troubled place. Most English 410 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 4: speakers in North America don't know much about Peru, but 411 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 4: Peru went through a terrible period toward the end of 412 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 4: the twentieth century with a movement called Sindero Luminoso, which 413 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 4: was a Marxist import from China. It's just ripped up 414 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 4: the whole society. They began to reform, and they've in 415 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 4: recent decades too, they've had a number of political ups 416 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 4: and downs, let's put it that way. So he's confronted 417 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 4: in check Clio's a relatively small diocese. I have a 418 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 4: personal connection with it because a priest that I grew 419 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 4: up with in my little parish in Connecticut was sent 420 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 4: his missionary down there. He was supposed to be there 421 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 4: for a few years, and he loved it, and he 422 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 4: just stayed the whole time. And you know, we all 423 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 4: kind of fell close to it and where I grew up. 424 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 4: But look, he's seen that I think he was the 425 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 4: vice president of the bishop's conference there, and so he's 426 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 4: seen the turmoil of Latin America. And in a way, 427 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 4: that political turmoil maybe is something that he's thinking about 428 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 4: when he takes the name Leo the fourteenth. But I 429 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 4: would also say that there is an evangelizing turmoil. That 430 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 4: we know that the Pentecostals and the other sort of 431 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 4: evangelical groups are growing by leaps and bounds in these places, 432 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 4: and so you can lament that that's happening, but you 433 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 4: have to do something. And in many of the places 434 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 4: in Latin America that I'm familiar with, the reason why 435 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 4: people leave the churches precisely because they want to get 436 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 4: away from politics. The church is too politicized, either for 437 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 4: liberation theology or you know, something or other. That's going 438 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 4: to be a tough needle for him to thread, and 439 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 4: it'll be interesting to keep an eye on what he 440 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 4: does with that. 441 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: Well, that's a great intro to what we talked about 442 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: the other day, which is really the challenges facing the 443 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: church right now in the post Francis era, if you will, 444 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: and then now in the beginning of the Leo era. 445 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: So I want to talk about how well Pope Leo 446 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: might be disposed or perhaps not to embrace some of 447 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 1: these challenges. 448 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 2: In an earlier episode, we. 449 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: Talked about the collapse of due process father in the 450 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: church canonical norms under Pope Francis. They were just shattered, 451 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: as you mentioned a moment ago, Robert Privos. Now Pope 452 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: Leo is a canon lawyer, tell me restate some of 453 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: the problems that in your mind need addressing, and how 454 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: he may approach these canonical issues and how culpable he 455 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: may be in a way that Pope Francis perhaps was not. 456 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 3: Well since yea, as a canon lawyer, he knows the rules. 457 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 3: He knows why the rules are put in place. In 458 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 3: other words, they're not arbitrary things invented just to keep 459 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 3: the powerful powerful. Were The canon law is designed to 460 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 3: guarantee respect for the rights of everyone in the church, 461 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 3: so the hierarchs have to follow procedures when they are 462 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 3: questions regarding people subject to them. There are a lot 463 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 3: of issues remaining that need to be looked at. We 464 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 3: have sex abuse enforcement, I mean right now we have 465 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 3: bishops and Ketta who was announced to be under a 466 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 3: canonical process over three or four years ago. I can't 467 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: remember how long, but we've never heard another word about 468 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 3: So that process has to be brought to completion because 469 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 3: guess what. This man was convicted in the civil court 470 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 3: in Argentine of confusing seminarians. There's no reason why this man, 471 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 3: if guilty, found guilty and countercross should not be removed 472 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 3: from the priest. Same with Father Rupnik, Marco Rupnik. He 473 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 3: was thrown out of the Jesuits because he wouldn't cooperate 474 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 3: with them and their investigation of sexual abuse of nuns 475 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 3: who were under his spiritual care. So sex abuse is 476 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 3: going to be something very important to look at. Similarly, 477 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 3: we have to look at how investigations are done with 478 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 3: religious orders because Pope Francis had a hostility and this 479 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 3: is noted this I'm not inventing this To more traditional 480 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 3: and charismatic type groups in the church, some of them 481 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 3: had problems. There's no doubt, you know. The Soda Litzio 482 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 3: in Peru was the founder of it was guilty of 483 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 3: sex abuse and others in the group participated, but Pope 484 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 3: Francis abolished the group and a lot of good members 485 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 3: were felt that there was not enough due process. The 486 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 3: Institute of the Incarnate Word is currently under investigation now. 487 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 3: Its founder in Argentina was also found guilty of sexual 488 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 3: abuse of miners or seminarians. But that group is worldwide. 489 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 3: In fact, Pope always called the parish in Gaza, you know, 490 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 3: every night and the pastor there is a member of that. 491 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 3: So there are a lot of groups in France have 492 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 3: similar investigations going on. We never heard the end about 493 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 3: the Franciscans of the Immaculate in Italy and elsewhere. They 494 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 3: were putting under a moderator and no resolutions. So they're 495 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 3: going to be those canonical investigations that need to be completed. 496 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 3: Opus Stay they change the law regarding personal prelators. It's 497 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 3: a complicated canonical thing. Won't go into but you know, 498 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 3: Opus Stay was given the opportunity to submit their own 499 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 3: revised statutes, and they were at a meeting when the 500 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 3: Pope died in which they were going to come up 501 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 3: with their final proposals, so they suspended the statute proposal. 502 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 3: New Pope's going to take that up. So those are 503 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 3: some of the things. These are canonical issues and the 504 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 3: reason they're important is everybody else is watching and if 505 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 3: they feel that if these groups feel they were treated unfairly, 506 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 3: and everyone else is going to be suspicious if fairness 507 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 3: is evident. That's how you have social harmony in the church. 508 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get into some of the other areas that 509 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: Pope will be contending with. The Pope Leo when he 510 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: was Cardinal Robert Privos is being quoted in the media 511 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: as saying this in a twenty twenty twelve addressed Catholic 512 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: pastors who preach against legalization of abortion or the redefinition 513 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: of marriage are portrayed as being ideologically driven, severe and uncaring. 514 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: He went on to call out the media for depicting 515 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: the quote homosexual lifestyle and same sex partners with their 516 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: adopted children as a challenge your thoughts, Bob, on these 517 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: quotes and the upsegment that some gay groups are communicating today, 518 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: they say, wait, this is a departure from Pope Francis. 519 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,959 Speaker 1: He was welcoming us and these comments are just abrasive 520 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: and hostile. 521 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad to hear that. I mean, that's actually 522 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 4: though thirteen years ago, and the question is right now. 523 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 4: Pope France has said a lot of strong things about 524 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 4: pro life, about protecting life in the woman, protecting life 525 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 4: at the end of natural life, but he didn't do much, 526 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 4: and I would like to see some more action and 527 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 4: even drum beating. France has actually discouraged people from doing 528 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 4: from being obsessed and focused on the pro life issues 529 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 4: and the gay issues, and I think that that was 530 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 4: to his detriment because he just kind of in advance 531 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 4: and announced, Yeah, we're going to say this, but we're 532 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 4: not going to do anything as far as the gay 533 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 4: thing goes. In addition to what Father was just saying 534 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 4: about the high handedness that France has often showed towards 535 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 4: these other groups, I would hope that in addition to 536 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 4: following the law, that Leo would look deeply into why 537 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 4: it is that it's been so difficult to move the 538 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 4: needle within the church on homosexuality. And clearly there is 539 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 4: some kind of protective network that exists. It was also 540 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 4: personal when it came aimed to Francis with the cases 541 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 4: of Unchetta, and it appears also with Reupnik to some degree. 542 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 4: But we know that there's some kind of protective network 543 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 4: here that needs to be rooted out. It simply can't 544 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 4: go on that at a time when as we're learning 545 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 4: that the young priests were coming into the church in 546 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 4: the United States and elsewhere are deeply, deeply satisfied being heterosexual. 547 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 4: Homosexuals pretending not to go into the seminary that the 548 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 4: church in terms of its general culture has kind of turned. 549 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 4: There can't any longer be this network that has protected 550 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 4: the Mcharics and the Unchettas and on and on and on, 551 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 4: And he's going to have to look very carefully into this. 552 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 4: John Paul wasn't able to do it, and we know 553 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 4: he would like to have done it. Benedict was not 554 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 4: able to do it, and we know he would like 555 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 4: to have done it. Francis talked about it, he issued 556 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 4: some documents, but was still not very far from where 557 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 4: we were when he became Hopes. So this is a 558 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 4: burning issue life and redefining sexuality in the family in 559 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 4: a way that makes sense and stands strong against the 560 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 4: activism of these homosexual groups. 561 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 2: Father, I want you to invite you into this. I 562 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:12,959 Speaker 2: know you're probably champion of a bit. 563 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 3: Go ahead. Yeah. No, Bob's got a very good point. 564 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 3: And this goes back to what member Bishop Morlino, who 565 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 3: made a speech to the US bishops and says, you know, 566 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 3: we have to confront the fact that there's a homosexual 567 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 3: problem in the clergy and this cannot be tolerated. So 568 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 3: what it basically means is the Vatican has to make 569 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 3: it clear priests who are unchased, meaning they don't live, 570 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 3: you know, Christian teaching about sexual purity, they're unchased, they 571 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 3: are a blot on the priesthood. They have to reform 572 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 3: their lives or be removed. Because you can have a 573 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 3: system in which people are expected to teach a series 574 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 3: of propositions that the Church considers to be the truth, 575 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 3: and yet they reject them in their own lives. And 576 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 3: I'm sure in private tell people, you know, don't pay 577 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 3: attention to this stuff a problem. And then you know, 578 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 3: the more general issue is is it the role of 579 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 3: a bishop as a shepherd to protect the flock in 580 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 3: ways that are going to upset some people. And it 581 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 3: always is, you know, we're not here to please governments, 582 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 3: we're not here to please cooperations, We're not here to 583 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 3: please the homosexual lobby, which says it's unfair that the 584 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 3: Catholic Church stigmatizes what we do. Well, the answer is, 585 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 3: you can go where you want as a person. We 586 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 3: hope you'll embrace Catholicism, but don't try to subvert Catholic 587 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 3: teaching in the name of Christ, saying, well, Jesus was 588 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 3: never severe. What do you mean he wasn't severe. Jesus 589 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 3: is the author of the of the Bible, which says 590 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 3: that homosexual activity is an abomination, so we have to 591 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 3: get to that point. 592 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: Raymond, Are you looking for financial management that reflects your 593 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: deepest values? Taylor for Gone Capital Management actively manages portfolios 594 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: designed for those who prioritize faith, family, and long term 595 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: stewardship throughout their mutual fund, separately managed accounts, or family 596 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: office accounts. 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I read one story where 606 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: Provos ran the visitation that looked into Bishop Ray. Your 607 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: thoughts on what this tells us and do you think 608 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: it might restore or he might restore those bishops back 609 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: to practice? 610 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 4: Bob Well about Strickland, I'm doubtful, although I don't have 611 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 4: any insight, any insight into that that I think was 612 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 4: kind of a personal clash that Bishop Strickland had over 613 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 4: what he thought but Francis was doing, and often his 614 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 4: arguments were well were well taken. This question in France 615 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 4: bothers me a bit more because when someone is described 616 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 4: as being too Orthodox and they have too many seminarians 617 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,959 Speaker 4: coming in and the diocese is flourishing, it seems to 618 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 4: me to be normal human reaction to look at it 619 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 4: and say, hey, why is this working? 620 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: Too many people want salvation, too many people want to 621 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: serve Jesus. 622 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 2: What's happening? 623 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: You know? 624 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 4: People are showing up and they want to be priests. Well, 625 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 4: why is there there anything wrong with that? And if look, 626 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 4: if they're going overboard, and maybe they are, you know, 627 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 4: maybe there's a there's a kind of a spirit of 628 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 4: rebellion that can even take place. 629 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: In these traditional plays. 630 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 4: Well, you don't abolish it, though. What you try to 631 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 4: do is you try to work with him. And we 632 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 4: hear a lot that Cardinal Provost was a listener, that 633 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 4: he would listen and proceed in a kind of a 634 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 4: calm and mature way to make decisions. So I'm a 635 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 4: little worried about that, of course, because it just seems 636 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 4: to me inexplicable. It could be that somebody put pressure 637 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 4: on him. Certainly in the case of the appointment of 638 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 4: McElroy in Washington, d C. We have to think that 639 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 4: that was the hand of the Pope specifically reaching in 640 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 4: there and saying I want him moving from San Diego 641 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 4: to Washington, d C. So some of these decisions may 642 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 4: not be entirely his, but he's going to have to 643 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 4: take on the responsibilities. Now, if we don't want a 644 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 4: church that is just going to continue to collapse, and 645 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 4: you know, it'll have a large number of faithful people, 646 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 4: but it'll continue to collapse. Its influence will continue to collapse. 647 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 4: The evangelization, the carrying of the message of Jesus to 648 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 4: the world begins to be weaker and weaker. If we 649 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 4: don't want that, then we need to take some new directions, 650 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 4: and it's not the ones that we've had the past 651 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 4: twelve years. There was no Francis effect. 652 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 2: Father, Do you want to add anything there quickly? 653 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 3: Well? So, yes. I think it's incumbent on the pope 654 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 3: restore or to give an assignment to bishops who are 655 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 3: removed in ways I consider unjust. Bishop Daniel Fernandez and 656 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 3: Puerto Rico has no assignment. He should be made a 657 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 3: bishop of a diaces or an auxiliary bishop, same with 658 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 3: Strickland and Bishop Ray. He was mistreated and he should 659 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 3: also be given an assignment because the Pope basically removed 660 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 3: them in their diaces as a form of punishment, but 661 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 3: he didn't suspend them, so they still fully function as 662 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 3: priests and mass and confession. This is an anomalous situation. 663 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 3: It shouldn't happen. 664 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 2: Okay. 665 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,479 Speaker 1: We talked about the sex abuse crisis a little earlier 666 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: and how Pope France has shielded friends and colleagues at 667 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: times from justice, ignoring the Christ of victims. It has 668 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: to be said Pope Leo has his own record in 669 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: Peru and Chicago that has gotten some coverage. Since yesterday, 670 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,399 Speaker 1: a number of girls in Peru claimed a priest abuse them, 671 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 1: they went to privos and they claim no investigation was 672 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: ever opened. 673 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 2: What will Pope Leo's approach be. 674 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,919 Speaker 1: Do you think to restore confidence and transparency in the church? 675 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 2: What is required now? Father? 676 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 3: Briefly, well, this case in Peru I read from the 677 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 3: point of view of the complaining people, meaning the people 678 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 3: feel offended by what Cardinal Prevos how we handled the matter. 679 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 3: I think it would be good if we got an 680 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 3: explanation of that. The Peruvian bishops issued a statement a 681 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 3: while ago saying that he did everything right. The candid 682 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 3: lawyer for the three girls who say they're abused by 683 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 3: two priests say he didn't, So I think we need 684 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 3: enlightenment on that. There's also the case in Chicago, whereas 685 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 3: head of the Augustinian Order, he assigned a priest to 686 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 3: live in a been accused by multiple accusations and sexual 687 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 3: abuse of minus. He was put into a rectory which 688 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 3: was located in close proximity to a Catholic grammar school, 689 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 3: and that this was in fact something that Cardinal Supek 690 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 3: had apologized for previously doing a similar assignment. So those 691 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 3: things should be dealt with, and you know, the Pope 692 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 3: if he says, you know, I regret decisions I made, 693 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 3: and I apologize to the victory. It'll be over. I mean, 694 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 3: that's just the way you clear things up. 695 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: Well, as you said the other day, just let a 696 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: due process trial and investigation proceed and then show no 697 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: favoritism to anyone. Everyone is under the same law. That 698 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,439 Speaker 1: would restore I think confidence if we just did that 699 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: over and under before we go. 700 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 2: Willy live in the Apostolic. 701 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 4: Palace, Bob, Yes, yes, yes, I think that what we 702 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 4: saw by the way he presented himself and whatnot. And 703 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 4: remember Francis didn't go to Santa Marta because it is 704 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 4: it's uncomfortable or it's humble. He just didn't want to 705 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 4: be isolated. And I think it's a much better place 706 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 4: for the Pope to be and he probably understands that 707 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 4: as well. 708 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, father agreed. 709 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's face it, it's more humble dwellings than 710 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: the Santa Marta. 711 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 2: I've been to both. 712 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,959 Speaker 1: I can tell you ones like the Hilton. The other 713 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: is like a little hostel. The Apostolic Palace is not 714 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: as the hallways are grand, but the room it's a 715 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 1: tiny room. 716 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's not much and. 717 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: It's drafty in the winter, one last caveat. This is 718 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,879 Speaker 1: not a president or Prime minister. This is the two 719 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,320 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty seventh successor of Saint Peter the Apostle, 720 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: the Prince of the Apostles. 721 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,439 Speaker 2: And there is grace that it comes with that office, and. 722 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: That's getting lost in a lot of these conversations I'm 723 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: seeing in the media. It has power to not only 724 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: remake the church, but the man. 725 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 2: Who holds that office. We will watch the. 726 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: Rise of Pope Leo the fourteenth together and pray that 727 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: God guides him and shapes him in these days to come. 728 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,720 Speaker 1: The Royal Grande Conclave Crew Vatican edition concludes, But we 729 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,919 Speaker 1: I think we're going to keep the posse going. Yes, guys, Yeah, 730 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: let's let's saddle saddle them up. Subscribe to the Royal 731 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: Grande Show on YouTube or the Royal Grande Podcast wherever 732 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: you get yours. 733 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 2: And this series been brought to you by our. 734 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 1: Friends at Taylor for Gone Capital, Management, Faith, Family and 735 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,479 Speaker 1: Finances there at Taylorfrogne dot com. 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