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Speaker 1: me the world wrong one. I know it's the wrong Shrek,

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Speaker 1: but this this one also starts with a I feel

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Speaker 1: pretty good. Who is that? Is that Counting Crows? Oh?

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Speaker 1: That is who? That sounds like I just I just

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Speaker 1: think that's the most popular criticism of Counting Crows is

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Speaker 1: this is just like Headcannon. But what if Shrek two

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Speaker 1: money to them, right. For Shrek two, their salaries got

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Speaker 1: it's basically the same story. So wild. Wow, I didn't

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Speaker 1: so listeners, this is not only our Shrek two episode

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Speaker 1: there's a part where, uh, they're like, hey, Donkey, where's Dragon?

420
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: And he's like, she's been so moody lately, because women

421
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: be moody, women be extreme. They're right, but that that

422
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: is his whole excuse for I guess I don't really know.

423
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: I guess this movie takes place over the course of

424
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: what like two weeks A few weeks. Yeah, that's a

425
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: long time to be away from your wife. On the

426
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: on the on the grounds of she's moody, especially if

427
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: she's pregnant, which might exp plane her mood swings. Yeah, donkey,

428
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: everything of that. I'm calling him out. Donkey's a bad husband, seriously,

429
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: so Donkeys there, he's being annoying. Shrek is all like, Donkey,

430
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: go away, you're bothering me. Classic. We love this dynamic.

431
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: We're always laughing when it's happening. Tried and true. Then

432
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: Fiona and Shrek receive an invitation from her parents, the

433
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: King and Queen of the Kingdom of Far far Away,

434
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: for a royal ball in celebration of their marriage, and

435
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: Shrek is reluctant to go, but they set off anyway

436
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: too far far away. They finally get there. It's basically

437
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, specifically like Beverly Hills, and Shrek is very

438
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: much a fish out of water. He then meets Fiona's

439
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: human parents, who are not happy that Fiona and her

440
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: husband are ogres. Shrek and the King in particular do

441
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: not get along well because everything is about fathers and sons. Yeah,

442
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: her parents are played by Julie Andrews and John Klice,

443
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: so they really which I also like, it doesn't matter

444
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: because it's Shrek. But I'm like, why are her parents

445
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: British but she's American? Oh wow, I didn't even think

446
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: of that. I mean, I I know that, I know

447
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: that children can have different accents from their parents, but

448
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: I just don't. I just felt like the story didn't

449
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: rise to the occasion and give me the answers that

450
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: I needed to understand why her parents were iconic British

451
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: people when she's Cameron Diaz right, Because it seems like

452
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: everyone else in Far far Away also has English accents

453
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: because the fairy godmother, Prince Charming. I think anyone else

454
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: you hear talking who's like a local has an English accent.

455
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: I wonder how like thought through that was, or if

456
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: it really is like a like specifically American audience thing

457
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: of like, oh well, we like the person with the

458
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: American accent because she sounds like us. I have to

459
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: the directors from New Zealand, so who knows, And then

460
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: you've got Canadian Mike Myers doing a Scottish Shrek. If

461
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: nothing makes sense, that's true. I forgot her. Yeah, you

462
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: know what, it's a fairytale land. I just was like, wow,

463
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 1: they really like got the most famous British people who

464
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: had agreed to do the movie, right, Um, okay, So yeah,

465
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: Shrek and the King do not get along, which makes

466
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: Fiona sad and it puts some strain on her relationship

467
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: with Shrek. She sheds a tear which seems to summon

468
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: Fiona's fairy godmother, who is surprised that Fiona is now

469
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: an ogre and that she has gotten married. The reason

470
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: for this is a fairy godmother is Prince Charming's mother

471
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: and fairy godmother and the King had arranged for Prince

472
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: Charming to be the one to save Fiona from the

473
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: tower that she was locked up in kind of a

474
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: fun plot twist. I forgot about that, like overlap. I

475
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: was like, okay, so the fairy godmother has narrative purpose.

476
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: That's you know, that's not guaranteed in these in this genre.

477
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: That's true and I mean spoiler alert, but you learned

478
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: that the fairy godmother has leverage over the king because

479
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: she had turned him from a frog into a human.

480
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: So she keeps like threatening him, being like, don't forget

481
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: the deal that I made for you, and blah blah blah,

482
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: you owe me so genius, amazing writing. The King has

483
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: to make things right, so he hires a hit man

484
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: to get rid of Shrek. He sure does, I do

485
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: kind of miss like I I guess that this still

486
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: might happen in children's movies, but I'm like, wow, he

487
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: literally just hired someone that kills someone murder Shrek. But

488
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: we don't yet get the reveal of who or what

489
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: the hit man is. But just you wait, just wait.

490
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: I knew what the reveal was that I was still

491
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: like wow, I loved it. I loved every second of it. Same. Meanwhile,

492
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: Shrek and Fiona's relationship again is rocky because Fiona is

493
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: upset that Shrek is not making an effort to get

494
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: along with her family. So then the King approaches Shrek

495
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: and is pretending to want to start over and try

496
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: to get along for Fiona's sake, So the King has

497
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: Shrek meet him the following morning, but again it's it's

498
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: actually a trap, and the hit man that the King hired,

499
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: who is revealed to be Puss in Boots voiced by

500
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: Antonio Benderi, is of course true icon Puss in Boots,

501
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: who also has like way less to do with the

502
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: story than I remember. I don't know why, Like Puss

503
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 1: in Boots, he does stuff, but he's also kind of

504
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: like I feel like it almost becomes a joke of like,

505
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: oh wow, now Shrek has two sidekicks. Yeah, and that's

506
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: just kind of what happens. I didn't totally remember this either,

507
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: where so he like attacks Shrek for a few minutes

508
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: and then there's no match for an ogre, so he's

509
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: not going to be able to kill Shrek. So then

510
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: so like, but you would think that that information would

511
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: have been like really important before accepting the job of

512
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: like what was like, what was We're just gonna see

513
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: Shrek kill a cat? Yeah, and then keep walking like

514
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: the plot is confusing. It kills a dog later in

515
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: the movie, remember what I think. There's like this little

516
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: like fluffy white dog that he like just falls on

517
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: and probably crushes to death. I I thought it was

518
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: like Puss in Boots, I was. I felt like he

519
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: was underwritten because I was just like, well, wouldn't it

520
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: doesn't help the dad to send out an assassin that

521
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: would just get killed? And if Puss in Boots is

522
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: such a good assassin, why wouldn't he ask who he

523
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: was killing? And if he could, he does know that

524
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: it's an Ogre though, because the king is like, I heard,

525
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: You're the one to come to if I have an

526
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: Ogre problem, and he's like, you heard correct, So he

527
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 1: knows he's up against Ogre. It's just like the raw

528
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: power of Shrek, specifically that he can't exactly. He's like

529
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: that butt holes to lose, baby, I can't, right, So anyways,

530
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: wild Puss in Boots attacks them, and then it doesn't work,

531
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: and then rather than I didn't know what I would

532
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: have expected to happen, like when I was watching this

533
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: for the first time, But basically then Puss in Boots

534
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: is like, sorry, I tried to kill you. Can I

535
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 1: tag along? And Shrek is like, oh, you're so cute,

536
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: Sure you can tag along, and then like that's the

537
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: that's it. That's kind of the direct, Like I like,

538
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: I don't. I'll be honest, I don't. I'm not familiar

539
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: with the actual lore of Puss in Boots, not a

540
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: character I grew up with. Yeah, me either, So I

541
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: really only know Puss in Boots via Shrek too, which

542
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: is more or less just an extended Zoro reference, right,

543
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: because Antonio Banderas played Zoro, and so we're like, ha ha,

544
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: this cat is zero, so let's give him ten million

545
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: dollars and half him have a little bit of fun.

546
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: So it's it's amazing, is what we're saying. I mean,

547
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't trade it for the world. I just was like, oh, wow,

548
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: he has less of a story than I just assumed

549
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: that there would have been more there than just like wow,

550
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: look at the Zoro cat. Ha ha. Anyways, ye, So

551
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: Shrek quickly realizes that the ng had hired Puss and

552
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: Boots to get rid of him, So then he starts

553
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: to wonder if Fiona would be better off without him,

554
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: if he was some kind of prince charming. You know,

555
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: no one seems to want this ogre around, right, So

556
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: Shrek gets the idea to call upon the Fairy Godmother

557
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: to have her help him. So Shrek, Donkey, and Puss

558
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: in Boots go to the Fairy Godmother's workshop and steal

559
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: a Happily ever After potion, which Shrek drinks and Donkey

560
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: also has some. It takes effect on them and on Fiona.

561
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: To tell me that hot Shrek quote unquote doesn't look

562
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: exactly like wreck It Ralph. It was throwing me for

563
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: a loop. I feel like he looks so much like

564
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: wreck It Ralph when he's turned into Mr. Shrek. I

565
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: see a slight resemblance, But I don't think it's like

566
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: uncanny or anything. He looks you know, they look considerably different.

567
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I think he looks

568
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: a lot like Rocky Ralph. Also, I felt like, I

569
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: don't know, I liked. I think Shrek's hotter as an ogre.

570
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: I'll say it, wow it yeah, I mean beauty. I

571
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: don't I don't see external beauty. I just beauty is within.

572
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: And that's the message of the movie. It just it.

573
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: Shrek is more confident in his ogre body, you know,

574
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: that's true. His his and his butt hole is so

575
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: much looser as an ogre, and that's the way he likes.

576
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: You can tell he's not comfortable with where his butt

577
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: hole is at when he's transformed. Yeah, okay, So the

578
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: potion turns Shrek into a subjectively handsome human man. Donkey

579
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: is turned into a stallion, and then they discover that

580
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: to make the effects of the potion permanent, the drinker

581
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: has to obtain who loves Kiss by midnight, so Shrek

582
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: heads back to the castle to find Fiona, who has

583
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 1: also been transformed back into her human form. But oh no,

584
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: Fairy Godmother and Prince Charming are already there, and they

585
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: trick Fiona into thinking that Prince Charming is the new

586
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: and improved Shrek, and Shrek is convinced that there's no

587
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: way that he can make Fiona happy. He thinks that

588
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: Prince Charming is the man she's always wanted, so Shrek

589
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: decides to leave again. The plot is so weird here

590
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: because it's like, first of all, Shrek and Fiona really

591
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: need to like hit up a couple's therapists and work

592
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: on their communication because the plot of but like at

593
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: least the first movie, it's like a big thing that

594
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: they can't talk about. But this is like a small

595
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: miscommunication that gets taken way out of context, and like

596
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: I was just trying to imagine, like imagine if someone

597
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: you had just married read your journal from junior high

598
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: and was like, she hates me, and it's like, what

599
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: are you talking about? First of all, that was what

600
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: that was a very upsetting journal for not the reasons

601
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: that you thought for like all the descriptions of her

602
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: parents gaslighting her, right, and then it's just so like

603
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: juvenile to be like, oh, you didn't love me when

604
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: you were twelve. It's like she didn't fucking know you

605
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: and she was twelve. What are you talking about? Most

606
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: of my notes about this movie are about his conduct

607
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: in the first like twenty or twenty five minutes or so,

608
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: and like their relationship and like the way that Fiona

609
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: is characterized, the way that Shrek is characterized, and like

610
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: the way they behave in this relationship. I'm just like,

611
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: who get it together? I know, I feel I feel

612
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: for Fiona. And then it's like there's that moment too

613
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: where it seems like fe Jonah is gonna like become

614
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: involved in the action, and then she just doesn't. You're like, right, um, okay,

615
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: So Shrek has left, but Fiona is not warming up

616
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: to Prince Charming. She's like, this isn't the Shrek I married.

617
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: So fairy Godmother gives gives the king some potion to

618
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: give to Fiona to make her fall in love with Charming,

619
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: Like if they the first man she kisses, she'll fall

620
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: in love with him, which is an interaction this like

621
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: exchange of the potion is an interaction which Shrek overhears

622
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: because they've all met up at this tavern. So Shrek

623
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: realizes what's happening, and he takes off and heads back

624
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: to the castle to the ball in order to get

625
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 1: Fiona back, but on the way they get arrested, which

626
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: plays out on screen in this like Cops like TV

627
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: show was the whole and there's like a police brutality

628
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: joke from Donkey that I was like this, no, no,

629
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: this is not conven you to have this discussion and

630
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: this show, this TV show, Yeah, that like that felt

631
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I mean, I'm interested in what

632
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: listeners thought of that, because I was like, this seems

633
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: like an inappropriate joke to be making. And also the

634
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: fact that it was being made in two thousand four

635
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: and a children's movie is like also interesting. I don't know,

636
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: I don't know how to feel about it. And then

637
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: the gingerbread Man loves the show Cops, and it's like, okay,

638
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: you with your why is it? Why is it gingerbread

639
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: Man telling me Blue Lives Matter? Like what's going on?

640
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 1: But so Shrek's friends back at his swamp are watching

641
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: this show, so it's like Ginger, the Big Bad Wolf, Pinocchio,

642
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: the Three Little Pigs, etcetera. So they realized that it's

643
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: like Shrek and Donkey and puss In Boots who have

644
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: been detained. So then they somehow, very quickly, within the

645
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: span of a few minutes to hours, are able to

646
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: get to far far away, even though we saw it

647
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: took Shrek and Fiona days to get there. So plot

648
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: hole much Uh yeah, a loose plot hole, not unlike

649
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: Shrek's loose butthole. Anyway, this was nominated for a put Look,

650
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: we anyone can be nominated for a Palm Day or gosh,

651
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: I need to yeah, I need to write some movies

652
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 1: that are better than Shrek to Okay, So the Shrek's

653
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: friends show up and bust Shrek, Donkey, and Pussing Boots

654
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: out of the like dungeon prison they're in. But they

655
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: still need to get to the castle, past the security,

656
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: past the big mot all that stuff. So they have

657
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: to go to the Muffin Man and have him bake

658
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: a giant gingerbread man so that they can get into

659
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: the castle and crash the ball that's happening. I never

660
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: realized how ridiculous of a plot point. This was until

661
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: rewatching it this time around that like, they're amazing idea

662
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: of getting into the castle is to bake a giant gingerbread.

663
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 1: Man it was I thought it was hilarious in two

664
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: thousand four, I mean, flawless writing let's go to can

665
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: let's do it. So then as Shrek is getting into

666
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: the castle, Prince Charming is dancing with and trying to

667
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: kiss Fiona at the ball and then Shrek bursts in

668
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: and then Fairy Godmother tries to stop him, but she

669
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: gets turned into a bunch of bubbles. And it's now

670
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: it's almost midnight, so Shrek and Fiona have to decide

671
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: happening at once, like if nothing thing is happening and

672
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: yet everything and I mean this climax wowy wow. So yeah,

673
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: the clock is taking down. It's almost midnight. So Shrek

674
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: and Fiona have to decide if they want to kiss

675
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: now and stay humans or wait and then transform back

676
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: into their ogre selves. And Fiona is like, I want

677
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: to live happily ever after with the ogre I married.

678
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: So we're really we're literally returned to one at the

679
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: end of the movie, and it's like, why did this

680
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: movie even happen. Who has grown? What do we We've

681
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: met John Claye and forgiven him for some for some reason. Yeah,

682
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: So then the clock takes midnight, they transformed back to Ogres.

683
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: They kiss, and then Donkey and put some boots sing

684
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: live in Levita Loca and that's the end of the movie. Also,

685
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: I've now as an adult, I can appreciate how the

686
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: music at the end of Shrek clearly happens to get

687
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: it to be feature length. This movie is eighty one

688
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: minutes long, but if you add all of the musical

689
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: numbers of the end, dudes about ninety minutes long. Incredible.

690
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I love a short film, so no complaints here.

691
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: This is basically a short film. Let's take a quick

692
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: break and then we will come right back to discuss.

693
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 1: And we're back. Welcome back to our fifth anniversary party.

694
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: Let's let's discuss. I mean, there's there's a lot of um,

695
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: extremely dated, hateful humor in this movie. We we already

696
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: touched on this movie's very bizarre attempt to reference how

697
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: there's police brutality glorified in cop shows. There is a

698
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: continuous joke about the wolf that goes across this entire

699
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: franchise that is repeatedly I mean punching down at trans people,

700
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: and like the wolf is referred to as gender confused.

701
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: There's like all of these just very flippant ways of

702
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: referring to the wolf, and it's clear the way that

703
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: the movie is written and the way the character is posed,

704
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: that you're laughing at them. I would say this extends

705
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: to a few other characters as well. This movie has

706
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: a real problem with any person or creature or animal

707
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: or whatever who doesn't adhere to a like very rigid

708
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: binary prescribed gender norm because any like literally any expression

709
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: of gender that is not rigidly binary is commented on aggressively,

710
00:46:54,320 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: down to even like Prince Charming wearing glitter, like yeah, yeah, yeah,

711
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: there's there's that. There's like the ugly step Sister character.

712
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 1: There's the Pinocchio the joke where they're trying to get

713
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: him to his nose to grow, so they tell him

714
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: to say, I'm wearing ladies underwear. He says it, his

715
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: nose doesn't grow because he's not lying about that, And

716
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: then there's this long joke about someone who presents as

717
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: a boy wearing women's underwear and like, oh my gosh,

718
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: isn't that so funny and weird and ha ha ha,

719
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: and a children's movie too, is like makes it extra

720
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: insidious of how normalized punishing and mocking any form of

721
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: not very rigid, rigid, rigid gender expression was at this

722
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: time to the point where it could appear in a

723
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: children's movie no problem. And um, I'm assuming in two

724
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: thousand four get very little blowback because that was just

725
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: so deeply normal and to an extent still is very

726
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: very normalized in in mainstream movies. There was also, I mean,

727
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: I think that that similar jokes are are made about

728
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: the wolf in the first movie, and also because I

729
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: am a connoisseur of Shrek the Musical, they had to

730
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: take a line of the wolf's dialogue out of the

731
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: musical because it included a transphobic slur. So this franchise

732
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: has some severe issues that I feel like are very

733
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: reflective of the time it was poised and also reflective

734
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: of like again, who is in the room and who

735
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: is at the top creatively and like this two thousand's

736
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: era edgy, edgy humor that was all dictated by like

737
00:48:53,280 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: vast majority cys people, um, mostly white people and mostly guys. Yeah,

738
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: so yeah. This This movie is um co directed by

739
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: three people, all white guys. So there you go, Wolf Wolf.

740
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: That's what that dog said when Shrek killed it. Yeah,

741
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: so um that was the main thing I noticed as

742
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: far as like, again, we talked about this a lot

743
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: in terms of American comedy movies specifically and their reliance

744
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: on punching down as a source of comedy, especially in

745
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: this era. It was like at the kind of height

746
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 1: of that things have been changing slightly in more recent years,

747
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: but this was like the prime time to be doing

748
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: like punched down humor. And this is no exception even

749
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: though and I think we've talked about this too, where

750
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: children slush family movies are not as frequently perpetuators or

751
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: participants in this type of humor because a lot of

752
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: that type of humor is also would be like maybe

753
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: more like PG thirteen or are rated so they can't

754
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: really get away with it in a lot of cases.

755
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: But this movie found a way to make repeated transphobic

756
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: jokes at the expense of multiple characters in a movie

757
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: that's rated PG or whatever. Right like it's it's which

758
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: again just like shows, I mean, god, we could discuss

759
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 1: movie ratings all all goddamn day. But what is considered

760
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: to be harmful slash offensive? And then who is the

761
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,959
Speaker 1: person deciding that That's a whole other discussion. But yeah,

762
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: this is like so deeply two thousand four, and I

763
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: feel like that's reflected in a lot of the more

764
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: attempted jokes that are simply just punching down. Yeah, that

765
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: sticks out terribly, terribly, And then on top of that,

766
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: the story is just like confusing. God, um, yeah, I

767
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: want to talk about Shrek man. Let's talk about Shrek

768
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: behavior in his relationship, and then also like the way

769
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: Fiona is characterized in that relationship as well, and that

770
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: whole thing because so first, well, the first like five

771
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: minutes of the movie are letting you know that Shrek

772
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: fus where it's just like all these times as like

773
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: trying to have sex with his wife, and it's just

774
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: like I know, And I also I was like, wow,

775
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: I god, it really hit when it's like I just

776
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: was like, wow, this whole musical opening montage is about

777
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: Shrek try and a loosen his butt hole and have

778
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: some fun. And then right after that when they get

779
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: back from their honeymoon, like the honeymoon phase is literally

780
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: over then the relationship. Okay, so basically what happens is

781
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: they get this invitation to visit Fiona's parents, and Shrek

782
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: is like, your family seems really pretentious. We're not going,

783
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: and that's final. And then what ensues after that is

784
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: to me, the movie subscribing to this idea that like,

785
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: my wife is the old ball and chain. Whatever she

786
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: says goes, and I'm just like, it's her world and

787
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: I'm living in it kind of thing where he's like,

788
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: we're not going and that's final, and then we cut

789
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: to them packing up and leaving because apparently off screen

790
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: there was a scene in which Fiona fought to get

791
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: her way, you know, as if to say, like women

792
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: and you know, his wife's are unwilling to compromise, and

793
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, there you gotta do what they say, you know,

794
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: and you're you just have to accept the fact that

795
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: you're quote unquote whipped. All that kind of stuff. So

796
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: that's those were the vibes I was getting from all

797
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: of that. Meanwhile, Shrek is being an absolute asshole in

798
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: these scenes where he's like making assumptions about her family

799
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: and saying like, oh, I don't even want to be

800
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: a part of this family, so you know, he he

801
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: doesn't want to make any compromises or anything like that.

802
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: But it's Fiona who is the one who is being

803
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: presented as unreasonable because she especially because like Shrek turns

804
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: out to be right in this situation, because his assumptions

805
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: about her family end up being correct, and you know,

806
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: he keeps saying this is a bad idea, and he

807
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: turns out to be right. So it makes Fiona look

808
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: like she doesn't really know what she's talking about or

809
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: that like she's being unreasonable, which is really frustrating because

810
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: it's like the Fiona character. I mean, I didn't rewatch

811
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: Shrek one for this, and that's me, but like I

812
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: do feel like the Fiona character, like she's especially for

813
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: a like princess character that's supposed to be commenting on

814
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: other princess characters. I feel like in the first movie,

815
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: she's that's done pretty effectively and she's a very motivated character.

816
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: She participates in a lot of the action, like it

817
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: seems to like successfully subvert, where this movie just doesn't

818
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: seem too as much, which is frustrating because there's I

819
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: think a lot of interesting stuff set up for Fiona.

820
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: But then either it's dropped or like Shrek resolves the

821
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: conflict instead of her resolving her own conflict, and so

822
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: then it just sort of plays into the princess tropes

823
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: that the character was written to subvert of like, well,

824
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: she needs her husband, her hero to resolve her childhood

825
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: trauma question mark. Like it just is all because because

826
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: with with Fiona's story here, I feel like you're given

827
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: like a pretty interesting concept for a kids movie that

828
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: feels like it fits in the world, which is like

829
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 1: that Fiona really wants to maintain a relationship with her parents,

830
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: even though it's clear that her parents have gas lit

831
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: and abused her in the past, and she she like

832
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: wants to find a way to you know, remain in

833
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: their lives and have her husband get along with them,

834
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: and like, I don't know, I was like, wow, this

835
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: is a very adult issue to be working through, you know, Like,

836
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: but she doesn't really get the opportunity to explore that

837
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: at all, Like she's just told by other people and

838
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: things start happening to her, and then I feel like

839
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 1: the Fiona from the first movie is kind of like

840
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: especially by the point that she's being shown a different

841
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: guy and she's like I don't know is this Shrek

842
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: or not like your Fion. Like I feel like Princess

843
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: Fiona would know, you know, like and would get into

844
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: a fight about it, not be like I'm confused, go

845
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: along with it and be like, yeah, something's not right here,

846
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: but I Am not gonna do anything about it, and

847
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep and then like forgive her parents

848
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: for a world of trauma at the very last second

849
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: of the movie where you're just like, uh, huh what Yeah, yeah,

850
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: it's just like I was. So I didn't realize what

851
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: a Princess Fiona stand I was until I rewatched this

852
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 1: movie and I was like, Wow, everything that is cool

853
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: about her. She she doesn't really get to like do

854
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: in this movie. She doesn't get to really participate in

855
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: any action. I feel like we're told that her trauma

856
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: is resolved, but we don't understand why, and like it's

857
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: just like her dad being like, my bad that I

858
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: was going to literally murder your husband, Like that's not

859
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: a like, no, you don't just bounce back from that. Sorry,

860
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: I forcibly incarcerated you for your entire childhood and then

861
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 1: try to murder your husband the second you found happiness whoops,

862
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: like and then and then she's like it's okay, I

863
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: love you. Like I was like, oh, man, not to

864
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: mention force her into a marriage that she was like

865
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: probably not going to want to be in or consent to,

866
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: because like again, he had arranged with a fairy godmother

867
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: for Prince Charming to come and like sweep Fiona off

868
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: her feet. So like, yeah, the king is awful. She

869
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: should honestly, I mean, forgiveness is complicated, but if it

870
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: were me, I would not forgive the king if he

871
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: was my dad. Well that's yeah, forgiveness is complicated. But

872
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: I feel like in a movie like this, it would

873
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: have been kind of cool to see Princess Fiona be like,

874
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't trust you, motherfucker's like, because I just feel

875
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: like that's a message you never get, Like, especially in

876
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: family films, you're always told like your family is your

877
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: family no matter what, which is like not not a

878
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: universally applicable message for a lot of people who have

879
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: difficult relationships with their families. And Fiona is such an

880
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: independent character that it would have been nice to either

881
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: see like her family really make amends with her in

882
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: a way that wasn't just completely bullshit end of movie stuff,

883
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: or maybe some ambiguous like I don't know, like you'll

884
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: have to earn my trust back, or I like the

885
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: real bad as choice would have been, like you know what,

886
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: I found true happiness in spite of you. I don't

887
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: need you in my life. Me and Shrek are going

888
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: to a couple's counseling at the swamp, Like that's that's

889
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: the ending I wanted for Shrek too, because also Shrek

890
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,479
Speaker 1: is like being a real dipshit and you know that's

891
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: I know that's the problem to where So after we

892
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: get those few scenes that are basically there to communicate,

893
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: Fiona is this like kind of naggy like I'm going

894
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: to get my way because what I say goes because

895
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: I'm an unreasonable his wife character. After that, they arrive

896
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: at the castle and there's a scene after the dinner

897
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: scene where Fiona does seem to be acting more like

898
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: the Princess Fiona we Know One Love, where she's like

899
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: calling Shrek out on his behavior, like I can't believe

900
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: how you are behaving. No one is considering what I

901
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: might want in this situation. She tells him he's behaving

902
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: like an ogre even though I would argue that, like,

903
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: Fiona's expectations are similarly kind of uncompromising and a little unreasonable.

904
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: I agree. But but then when she said like, well,

905
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: but I don't know, yeah, they're both kind of I

906
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: was like, wow, this is actually this is this is

907
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: the marriage story. I want to see Shrek and Fiona

908
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: marriage story. Um. But then yeah, because I was kind

909
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: of conflicted about that, because I was like, well, I

910
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: don't think that it's like unreasonable that Shrek is like, no,

911
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to meet these people and get along

912
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: with them. They like imprisoned you. I don't like them.

913
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: I don't like that. Like I think for a spouse

914
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: that is actually maybe a good attitude. Yeah, he's advocating

915
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: for her in a way that I'm like, I'm fine

916
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: with that. And then also, you know, like Shrek's baggage

917
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: is not that phrase. Shrek's baggage emotionally is that he

918
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: was like aggressively rejected from society for a really long time.

919
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: So of course going to the highest fanciest levels of

920
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: the society that rejected him for his whole life is

921
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: going to bring up a lot of ship for him.

922
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: Like I get why he doesn't want to go for

923
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: multiple reasons. That's why I was like, I was kind

924
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: of joking about the good out thing, but like that,

925
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: like I was legitimately reminded of that where there's like

926
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: a scene in the beginning of that movie where Chris

927
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: is like, I'm having hesitations about being a black man

928
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: going to your like rich white family. Obviously it's not

929
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: the same as like, you know whatever in Shrek, but

930
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: like there there is like a like a class difference thing.

931
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: There's a cultural difference thing, Like Shrek has every reason

932
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: to be really concerned about the way that he is

933
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: likely to be treated by this like royal family of

934
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: like who are again like the ruling class and the

935
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: people who are generally responsible for marginalizing ogres like Shrek

936
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 1: and Fiona like will not hear about it, and it's

937
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: just like you need to listen. But then I also like,

938
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: I like, I think that Fiona does need to listen,

939
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: and also think that her refusing to hear him on

940
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: that is like a trauma response on her end, because

941
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: she can't believe that her parents are bad and she

942
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: like That's why I was like, God, this is such

943
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: a rich story. Is It's like wild that they just

944
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: drop it, because I do feel like I agree with

945
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: you that, like Shrek is absolutely right to have, you know,

946
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: issues with going to them and to go in with

947
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: zero trust in these people because of all the reasons

948
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: you just described. And then also it's like Fiona, I

949
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: feel like there's a part of her that knows that,

950
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: but also like that kind of thing that you have

951
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: with in any difficult relationship where you're like, well, if

952
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: I admit that they were wrong to do this, this

953
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: is just going to unravel something and I'm not going

954
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: to be able to have a relationship with them anymore

955
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: because all the funked up stuff is going to start

956
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: bubbling to the surface. Or that's how I sort of

957
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: felt like Fiona was coming from, at least at the

958
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: beginning of the movie, before her motivations became increasingly confusing

959
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: and less relevant to the story. But it just felt

960
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: like she was like, well, I can't like if I

961
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: admit that my parents were wrong to lock me in

962
01:02:54,760 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: a tower and wrong to like judge me for being

963
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: an ogre at night question Mark, then I will have

964
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: to admit all this other stuff, and I'm not ready

965
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: because I want to have a relationship with them. So

966
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: it's like they're so like their stuff is so at

967
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: odds and then they just like don't really explore it.

968
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: And I don't disagree with the story choice that, like

969
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: Shrek is absolutely right, Like I'm glad that the story

970
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: didn't take the choice of like and Shrek just misjudged

971
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: the ruling class. They were actually really cool like that

972
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: at least, it's not that like he's proven right right

973
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: away when they get there and once again Shrek is rejected,

974
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: which is his you know, worst fear, and also what

975
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: he said was going to happen, and they reject Fiona,

976
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: which also hurts them both. And god, yeah, Fiona is

977
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: having like a denial issue in this movie and Shrek

978
01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: is having a protagonist syndrome issue in this movie. There

979
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: are just so many layers. Much like ogres have layers,

980
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: onions have layers, The story has layers. I always appreciate

981
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: their onion carriage. I think that's funny. Yeah, but yeah,

982
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: the movie doesn't feel equipped to like handle all the

983
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: things that it's presenting. No, but I got a very

984
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: interesting setup to I mean, those are two very specific

985
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: outlooks on the situation, both of which in character. I

986
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: see why they feel the ways that they do. But

987
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: then it just goes nowhere. It goes nowhere, and yeah,

988
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: again the way because it doesn't explore it fully enough.

989
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: It just makes Fiona seem unreasonable and like unwilling to compromise,

990
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: and it makes Shrek seem, I don't know, just like

991
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 1: an asshole. And then so there's like the dinner scene

992
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: where like Shrek and the King are arguing with each

993
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: other in that Basically what happens like after the first

994
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: half hour of the movie is that Fiona is relegated

995
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: to a his wife type character where all she's doing

996
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: is just sort of being like Shrek, stop it, come on,

997
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: stop it Shrek, which kind of starts in this dinner

998
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: scene where both of his wives are just like Harold stop,

999
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: Shrek stop. And then for the rest of the movie

1000
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: Fiona sucks is just like yeah, not really participating in

1001
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: the narrative, and every scene she's in after that she's

1002
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: just like, dad, what's going on? Where's my husband? The

1003
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: most annoying thing too, is like she almost sets off

1004
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: to go fine Shrek, but then the plot stops her

1005
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: from doing that, right, Yeah, it's like raining and she's like,

1006
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: I guess never mind right. I was like, wait, why

1007
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: are you throwing this in my face? Right now? This stinks?

1008
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: And then I feel like, I mean, there's not much

1009
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: to say about the queen character, but she's given not

1010
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: like nothing to do except to be like, Harold, what's

1011
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: going on right? Something seems amiss? But what is it?

1012
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: I'll ask my husband, who is clearly the reason things

1013
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 1: are going wrong. She literally doesn't know that her husband's

1014
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: a frog. She's just out of it, man. And then

1015
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: like the Fairy go Bather. I think the Fairy Gabather

1016
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: I thought was like a pretty effective villain. I liked

1017
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: that at least she was like I don't know. I mean,

1018
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: it is all kind of connected to being a mother,

1019
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: but which is not my favorite. But I do appreciate

1020
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: the the onion lairs that that character is given of.

1021
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: Like she shows up with an agenda. She's she's literally

1022
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: like girl boss villing, like she wants power. She's blackmailing

1023
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: rich guys, and you're like, well, you know it's not right,

1024
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: but it's interesting to watch. She's a female business owner,

1025
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: she's a small business owner, so go off, Queen. Um. Yeah,

1026
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: I I was on the surface, I was like, oh,

1027
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool that there's a female villain, especially in

1028
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 1: a I think we've talked about this before, but um,

1029
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: I've noticed a trend in movies where if the villain

1030
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: is a woman, chances are the protagonist is also a woman.

1031
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: And it's rare to see a female villain with a

1032
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: male protagonist because I think the idea that a lot

1033
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: of like writers and storytellers assume is that, oh, a

1034
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: woman wouldn't be a formidable opponent to a man. A

1035
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: woman would only be a formidable opponent to another woman.

1036
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: And I feel like this is especially true in fairytale narratives,

1037
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: where there are a lot of like Disney female villains.

1038
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: You've got your you know, the a Witch from Snow White,

1039
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 1: Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty, Ursula from Little Mermaid. But those

1040
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: are all movies with female protagonists as well, and I

1041
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: think it's kind of rare to see a movie with

1042
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: a villain who's a woman and a protagonist who is

1043
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: a man. So for this movie, I was like, Okay, damn,

1044
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,719
Speaker 1: we we get a subversion of that. So I was like, Okay,

1045
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 1: that's cool. But then I started to think about fairy

1046
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: Godmother's motivation and you like hinted at this, but it

1047
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: is very much revolving around her son, where she's just like,

1048
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: I want my son to be king or something, but

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01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: not because she wants power. It's just that, like, she

1050
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: just wants to elevate the status of her son, and

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01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: everything she's doing is like for her son. I guess

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01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: I sort of I sort of assumed, maybe I'm giving

1053
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: the story too much credit. I sort of assumed that

1054
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 1: she did want an elevated status and she did want

1055
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: power and like, but she never says that, so right,

1056
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: I just sort of assumed because her son was so

1057
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: like dofy that like and so like clearly not equipped

1058
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: to be king that and she was so motivated and

1059
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: capable that it was gonna that it was almost like

1060
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: an arrangement of I guess I was really headcandoning this,

1061
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh, well, you know, he'll become

1062
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: king and then she'll tell him what to do, and

1063
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: that's how she'll get the power that she wants to have.

1064
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: And that was I think I've just been watching Succession

1065
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: too much because I was like, well, clearly there's a

1066
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: chess game going on here, but maybe i'm reading get

1067
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 1: to it too much. I mean, yeah, that would have

1068
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 1: tracked if she was like, I want more power and

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01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: the way I'm going to get it is by orchestrating

1070
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: this thing where my I can gain access to power

1071
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: via my son. And if that was like something she

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01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: clearly articulated, that would have completely tracked for me. But

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01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: she doesn't ever explicitly say that. So yeah, I was

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01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 1: literally just I just watched I just watched Succession for

1075
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 1: the first time, and I was just like, yep, there's

1076
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: I get I know exactly what's going on here. I

1077
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: get it. I understand rich people are so fucked up truly. Okay,

1078
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: So I mean, I I guess if you view I

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01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: guess listeners, what did you think? Was she just being

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01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: mommy or was she being a you know, was she

1081
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 1: going to be like round about queen? Because the Far

1082
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: Far Away does appear to still be a deeply patriarchal structure,

1083
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: so it does seem like the sort of thing she

1084
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: would have to work around in order to accomplish the

1085
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: power she may or may not have wanted, right Yeah, yeah, anyways,

1086
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,480
Speaker 1: so she has more interesting things going on than Fiona

1087
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: in this movie, which sucks. Yeah, yeah, gosh, she's really

1088
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: like neutralized in the middle of the movie in a

1089
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: way that it made me so bummed out. And then

1090
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: you see her like sad youth gaslighting journal and Shrek

1091
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: is like jealous of her crush for when she was

1092
01:10:55,400 --> 01:11:00,919
Speaker 1: twelve Prince Charming. I was like, Shrek, you're not emotionally intelligent, period,

1093
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: and like that's just such a huge invasion of privacy

1094
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: that I'm like, so much of what Shrek does in

1095
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: those first like I don't know, twenty five minutes, I'm

1096
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: just like, dude, you need to really work on yourself,

1097
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: Like you need couples counseling, you need individual counseling. Like

1098
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: problematic there, they're you're you're so insecure and but you're

1099
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 1: refusing to work on yourself. He really does weaponize his

1100
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: insecurity against the people he loves, doesn't He sure does, God, Shrek,

1101
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 1: Shrek is deeply insecure and that is why we love him.

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01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: But also it's like, um, you have to you have

1103
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: to improve Shrek. I think that, you know, I'll say it.

1104
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say something that's very controversial. I think Shrek

1105
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: and Fiona should have dated longer. Okay, I think they

1106
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: should have gotten to know each other better. Hang on,

1107
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they couldn't live together. I'm not

1108
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: saying that they couldn't be in love. I'm just saying

1109
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: I mean, they got married very quickly, and the and

1110
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 1: the strain and the relationship starts to show right after

1111
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 1: the honeymoon. I mean, come on, anyways, did they get married?

1112
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:10,719
Speaker 1: They get married at the end of the first movie,

1113
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: right after only knowing each other for a few days. Yes,

1114
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 1: is that correct? Yeah? Which is I mean, like, that's

1115
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,719
Speaker 1: true love canon, But it's also like Shrek too shows

1116
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: the consequences of true love canon, which is that you

1117
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: don't realize that your husband is so insecure that he's

1118
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 1: ruining your life. So I don't know. I did appreciate

1119
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 1: like that in the moments that Fiona does get to

1120
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 1: advocate for herself, I do. I generally liked those moments

1121
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: where Shrek is being it's so complicated because it's like

1122
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 1: he is right that her family sucks and that they

1123
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: don't have her best interests at heart, but the way

1124
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 1: he expresses that is very is a very selfish, not

1125
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 1: empathetic towards his new wife, So it's like his communication

1126
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 1: is bad, but and then and then when Fiona is

1127
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: just like, well, Shrek, I don't think you have like

1128
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: really considered how much I've changed my life to be

1129
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: with you, And I'm like, damn, she's right, she's right,

1130
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 1: She's right. Damn it. What a complicated relationship. This is

1131
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 1: truly marriage story scenes from a marriage more like the

1132
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: Shrek franchise. Okay, Sjamie, wowie, wow, we're breaking is wide open.

1133
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 1: I wish the Shrek kissed Fiona's armpit like they do

1134
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: in much. I haven't even seen the show. I just

1135
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: know that Oscar Isaac kisses Jessica Chaps Nate's aren't yeah,

1136
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: I all I need to know. I watch that scene.

1137
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 1: I don't get anything about what's happening there, but um yeah,

1138
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:58,440
Speaker 1: Shrek and Fiona's relationship crumbles, which like provides the impetus

1139
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 1: for I. Shrek does everything he does in the movie,

1140
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,799
Speaker 1: which I guess like lends a discussion about the theme

1141
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 1: of the movie or like, you know, the message, the

1142
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 1: moral of the story kind of thing, which is, you know,

1143
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 1: something I appreciate. Again, I think the first movie handled

1144
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: it more effectively, but the message of don't judge someone

1145
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:26,799
Speaker 1: by their exterior appearance or you know, draw conclusions about

1146
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 1: them just because they're an ogre. What happens in this

1147
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: movie does communicate that message to some degree, but again,

1148
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:39,719
Speaker 1: I feel like it gets a little muddled. And also

1149
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: it's like it just in a in like a franchise way.

1150
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, that was the message of the first movie, right,

1151
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 1: so you either need to explore something new or look

1152
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 1: at it from a different angle, or I don't know,

1153
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: something else. But the movie just sort of like, hey,

1154
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 1: remember and I understand like a common theme throughout a franchise,

1155
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, something that like ties the franchise together. But yeah,

1156
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: when you just sort of this movie doesn't like it

1157
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: doesn't like build on that message, and it doesn't even

1158
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 1: communicate that message as effectively as the first movie did,

1159
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 1: and so it just feels like they just tried to

1160
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: do the same thing again, which is like a bummer

1161
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:31,560
Speaker 1: because it's like Shrek has so many lessons to communicate

1162
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 1: to the world, you know, I mean, there is room

1163
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: for it there. The premise is ripe for a lot

1164
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 1: of like meaningful conversation and commentary on that, and the

1165
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:48,639
Speaker 1: story that's set up here is like actually genuinely pretty

1166
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 1: interesting like the conflict between Shrek and Fiona, like, but

1167
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 1: then they just don't really I thought that this movie

1168
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: could have gone in a lot of different directions that

1169
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 1: have been more interesting. If, like, you know, this first

1170
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: the first movie is very much about Shrek's journey, and

1171
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 1: the second movie could have really focused on like Fiona

1172
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how she fits in the world,

1173
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: because keep in mind, she just got out of a

1174
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: tower like less than two months ago. She's like, it's

1175
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 1: still you know, I know that it's like we don't

1176
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: want to like extremely harp on trauma in this children's movie,

1177
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: but it's like this could have been a cool way

1178
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 1: to explore her character and the fact that, you know,

1179
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: if this movie wants to be as like bringing contemporary

1180
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: themes and ideas to fairy tales as it says it

1181
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 1: wants to be, then like let's examine the idea of

1182
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 1: her being like a prisoner of her royal family parents,

1183
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 1: immediately going into a wife role and like being transferred

1184
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: from one controlling force to another controlling force, and like

1185
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: let's have her like figure herself out a little. Like

1186
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 1: I just feel like, yeah, I guess I'm just a

1187
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 1: princess Fiona's stand kind of just like, there's so much

1188
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: with this character that would be more interesting to explore

1189
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,600
Speaker 1: than repeating the message of the first movie in a

1190
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: less effective way. Also, the movie could have explored her

1191
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: identity as a full time ogre now, because prior to

1192
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: this she had she lives half of her life as

1193
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 1: a human and half as an ogre and then decides

1194
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: to become a full time ogre and like what does

1195
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,719
Speaker 1: that mean for her new identity in her her life now?

1196
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: Like there's yeah, there's so many other things are just

1197
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: like other directions the movie could have taken to examine

1198
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: these interesting things that it just doesn't really do. Yeah,

1199
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 1: it feels like a wasted opportunity. However, when you think

1200
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: about it, was the song Accidentally in Love nominated for

1201
01:17:56,040 --> 01:18:00,919
Speaker 1: an Oscar? And the answer is yes, really yes, Counting

1202
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: curls Oscar nominated band the Counting Crows did they Was

1203
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: that an original song written for this movie? It had

1204
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 1: to have been, right if I got nominated for an Oscar? Yeah? Wow,

1205
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 1: they really handed the Counting Crows a golden opportunity that

1206
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:21,639
Speaker 1: the Counting Crows, to their credit, did not waste, Because

1207
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 1: that's a that's a Bob. It's good they were not

1208
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: Who did they lose to? Who did they lose to? Um? So,

1209
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 1: Shrek was nominated, Shrek two, Shrek one was nominated for

1210
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 1: an Oscar for the Best Animated Feature and one. Shrek

1211
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 1: two was nominated and lost to The Incredibles, which is

1212
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: a much better movie, and that makes sense. Who did

1213
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: Counting Crows loose to? I feel like the Oscar for

1214
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: like original song, whoever wins? I'm always like, huh, it's

1215
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 1: like so many shitty songs of okay, let's say there's

1216
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:59,480
Speaker 1: it was a song from a movie called The Motorcycle

1217
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,719
Speaker 1: Diary is Oh that I haven't seen al Ultra Lado

1218
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,919
Speaker 1: del rio is the name of this song. The Motorcycle

1219
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 1: Diary is good? What is that? Yes, it is. It's

1220
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 1: a gayl Garcia bernw my rush your crushed. So of

1221
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: course you've seen it. It's a biopic about early Jega Vera.

1222
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,639
Speaker 1: Oh that's cool. Yeah right, that sounds way better than

1223
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: Shrek too. It's it's a very good movie. And again

1224
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:29,760
Speaker 1: Gayle's in it and he's um hot. Not that that's important,

1225
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: which is what we learned from Shrek. Yeah. I was like,

1226
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: don't you fly in the face of the message of Shrek. Here,

1227
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 1: be careful, watch watch yourself. Yeah, well, well, I just

1228
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 1: wanted to let everyone know that, Yes, the Counting Cress

1229
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 1: are an OSCAR nominated. That's musical group, hilarious. Good for them.

1230
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:56,839
Speaker 1: That for them. Do you have any other thoughts about

1231
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 1: the film Shrek two. I really don't think that I do.

1232
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 1: I think that you know, there was a lot more

1233
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 1: to talk about than I than I thought there would

1234
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: be as usual, and I realized that I, um, I

1235
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 1: I feel like Fiona because isn't like Shrek three. Like

1236
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 1: Shrek three, Fiona has to have five hundred babies. Fiona

1237
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: gets pregnant with a million Gregs and shregs. They have

1238
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: Shreks all her shregs hatch. Oh my god, that's the

1239
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: funniest thing I've ever heard. Um, yeah, that I haven't seen.

1240
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: I've only seen Shrek three once and it was a

1241
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 1: long time ago, and then I never saw a Shrek four.

1242
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,799
Speaker 1: I think this, it's just like I feel like Fiona.

1243
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 1: For a character that starts really strong is forced into

1244
01:20:54,600 --> 01:21:00,040
Speaker 1: a series of very binary, boring roles as the and

1245
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:03,719
Speaker 1: ties goes on. And that's my final thought. Not nice

1246
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 1: to her. Did Pussy Boots get its own Oh my gosh. Yeah.

1247
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 1: Puss in Boots has a spin off and TV series.

1248
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 1: There's also something called Wait, Puss in Boots The Last Wish,

1249
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 1: which is a movie coming out in Wow. Good for Antonio,

1250
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 1: good good. I hope he's I hope those checks are clearing,

1251
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: you know, good for him. I cannot believe. Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then the TV series. My friend worked on the

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Speaker 1: Puss in Boots Netflix series. It sounds like it was fun. Wow,

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01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 1: amazing story, Jane, Thank you. Um. Does the movie pass

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01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 1: the Bechdel test that we think it does, but only

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Speaker 1: the very few I wouldn't say in context. I'm gonna

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01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: say no, yeah, only because even if it does pass,

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01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: it's a barely pass. And I don't think that the

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Speaker 1: themes of the movie make get worth arguing for a

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01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 1: potential pass. I'll say no, yeah, I think by our standards, no,

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Speaker 1: because the few conversations I do remember between women, either

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Speaker 1: Fiona and her mother or Fiona and the fairy Godmother,

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01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 1: the subtext is still something about a man. Yeah. I yeah,

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01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: let's just say no. Let's say no. It's been five years.

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Speaker 1: We're authorities. No where the experts. Yeah, as far as

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01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 1: our nipple scale goes on a scale of zero to

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01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 1: five nipples, how well does the movie fair when examining

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Speaker 1: it through an intersectional feminist lens. I don't remember exactly

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Speaker 1: what each of us gave the first movie. I gave

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Speaker 1: it one nipple. I'm giving Shrek two a half nipple.

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Speaker 1: We went down, it got worse. Um between the we're

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01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: the like awful Joe ooakes made at the expense of

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01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 1: anyone who doesn't fit a very like cis gender gender

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01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: binary quote unquote prescribed norm. Yes, all of those jokes

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01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 1: are horrendous. The way that the women in the movie

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01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 1: are generally not meaningfully included except for the villain. The

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01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 1: fact that like the villain is a more active character

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01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 1: than is ridiculous. The way that they're just you know,

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01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 1: certain stereotypes at play, with the way Fiona is characterized

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01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: as a like his wife ball and chain quote unquote

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01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 1: type of character. It's just, yeah, it's it's all a mess.

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01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 1: Donkey saying that his wife is moody. Come on, and

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01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 1: then we don't even get to see her. Yeah, no, Dragon,

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01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 1: I forgot about how that is also unjust. Wait, I

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01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 1: swear to goodness that there's like a post credit scene.

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01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: Was it in where the hell isn't see? Maybe I

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01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 1: didn't watch post Maybe I didn't treat this enough like

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01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: a Marvel movie, and I stopped watching when I thought

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01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 1: the movie was over. Oh wait, yeah, here it is.

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01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: Hang on, it's like kind of after the first batch

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01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 1: of credits. Oh my god, I'm watching this on Hulu. Brave. Yep, yep, yep, yep.

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01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 1: This is a real thing. Dragon shows up. I didn't

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01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 1: see to the ball after everyone's gone home and she

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01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 1: has all of her dragon donkey babies. She's okay, Well,

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01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 1: this does happen. I knew I wasn't imagines good. We

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01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 1: just need to get one more extremely normative thing in

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01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 1: before then, before we could go home. Cheez Louise is

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01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 1: good grief. So who are you going to give your

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01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 1: half nipple to? I have nipple goes to Puss in Boots,

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01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 1: because I think Puss and Boots is the reason I

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01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 1: loved this movie in two thousand four. You're not alone there,

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01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 1: all right, I guess I'll meet you there. I'll give

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01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,639
Speaker 1: it a half nipple. I I feel like, I mean,

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01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: for all the same reasons the jokes that are at

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01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 1: the expense of marginalized communities in a children's movie that

1306
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 1: is always going to absolutely piss me the funk off

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01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 1: because it's just like, it feels like even you know,

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01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 1: more harmful than when they appear in movies for adults. Um,

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01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,640
Speaker 1: because it's just like, you know, creating transphobia at a

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01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: very ground level for people with very squishy brains, and

1311
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 1: you can't you can't do that. Yeah, and then uh,

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01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, just the general like kind of undermining what

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01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 1: was fun about the first movie by sidelining women and

1314
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 1: just being like, um, yeah, first year in jail and

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01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 1: then you're in wife like this pipeline I don't love.

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01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll do a half nipple and I'm going

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01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 1: to give it to the boot. You gave it to

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01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: Puss and boots, I'm giving it to the Oh okay, yeah,

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01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 1: I gave my boot. Mine went to Puss and yours

1320
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:23,639
Speaker 1: went to boot to boot. So now you know cats

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01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 1: famously have how many nipples? Is that? Well, let me

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01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: draw back to my cat facts knowledge. I believe it's

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01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 1: eight nipples. Well, this one only has one, and half

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01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 1: of it belongs to his boot bummer. Sorry, Puss Nikes,

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01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 1: you know, maybe next time, maybe next movie. Well, well

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01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 1: there you go, there you happy anniversary Kaala, Oh my gosh, Jamie,

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01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: A happy anniversary to you. I love doing this show

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01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 1: with you. I love how much how we've grown and

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01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:06,520
Speaker 1: we're constantly learning, and you know, and knocking out bangers

1330
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 1: of episodes, if I may say so myself, not us

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01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 1: knocking out bangers. Uh no, but truly I love doing

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01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 1: the show with you. I love you, And let's do

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01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 1: fifty more years. Okay it's been Yeah, someday we're gonna

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01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 1: be like it's been eighty four years. It's been eighty

1335
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 1: four years and I can still smell the fresh pod.

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01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 1: The microphones had never been used, the zoom had never

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01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 1: been logged in. We could keep going. Bechtel Cast was

1338
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 1: the podcast of dreams and it was see getting around.

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01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 1: Um we I love you. I love doing this show.

1340
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 1: Here's to five hundred more years. We'll do Shrek three

1341
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 1: for our ten year anniversary. Wow. Wow, I'll hold you

1342
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:04,599
Speaker 1: to that. Well, let's see if the if, the world,

1343
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 1: the integrity of the planet we live on last that long.

1344
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 1: Can't wait. And thank you to our listeners for five

1345
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 1: years of incredible memorials. Yeah, We wouldn't have continued to

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01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 1: release episodes of the show if no one was listening,

1347
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:26,919
Speaker 1: So truly we owe you a debt of gratitude. Listeners,

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01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Whether this is your first episode,

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01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 1: or whether you've been with us from episode one, or

1350
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 1: you came somewhere in the middle, or whether you hated

1351
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: this so much that this is your last episode you're

1352
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 1: out of here. You know what. The spectrum is vast,

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01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 1: But truly, thank you for for listening. We wouldn't be

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01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 1: doing the show without you. Thank you for helping us

1355
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 1: learn and grow. That didn't happen in a vacuum. So

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01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 1: our listeners have been a major part of why the show,

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01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, keeps improving and the reason that we keep

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01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:11,719
Speaker 1: wanting to do it. So and thank you to everyone

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01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 1: who helps make the show. Thank you to Sophie, Thank

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01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 1: you to Aristotle, thank you to Jack, Thanks to all

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01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 1: of our wonderful friends and collaborators, and to all of

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01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 1: our guests. And truly, you know, it sounds like we're

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01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 1: accepting your award a reward and award. Um we're not.

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01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 1: We've never counting, they never won an award. Yeah, we're talking.

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01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 1: It's an honor to be nominated, as I'm sure the

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01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 1: counting crows have aggressively said, many times, oh goodness, sorry, bye,

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Speaker 1: bye bye