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Speaker 2: Was a heck of a State of the Union address?

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Speaker 2: And is Marco Rubio getting ready to be president of Cuba?

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Speaker 2: We've got some things to talk about here. Joel Barry

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Speaker 2: is in the mix. He is managing editor of The

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Speaker 2: Babylon Bee, which many of you love for its humorous

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Speaker 2: takes on so many things. Great to have you on, man,

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Speaker 2: first time. Appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me, Buck, It's an honor.

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Speaker 2: What was what was your sense of the of the

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Speaker 2: State of the Union address aftermath? Because what I took

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Speaker 2: from it was they were talking the next morning CNN

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Speaker 2: was talking about the Epstein files, which which after a

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Speaker 2: State of the Union address is kind of a weird

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Speaker 2: thing unless they felt like they didn't really have much

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Speaker 2: Or what was your big takeaway?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great indication that the State of the

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Speaker 1: Union went really well. Isn't it that CNN immediately wants

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Speaker 1: to change the subject. I mean, Trump, The thing that

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Speaker 1: is so funny about it to me is that Trump

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Speaker 1: he played the same trick on the Democrats that he

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Speaker 1: played last year at last year's State of the Union,

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Speaker 1: where he would say something completely non controversial that ninety

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Speaker 1: should agree with, like the American president should prioritize American

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Speaker 1: citizens above illegal aliens, or you know, calling for justice

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Speaker 1: for the murder of a Ukrainian immigrant. And just the

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Speaker 1: optics of watching these Democrats just with just dour faces,

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Speaker 1: just awful for the Democrats, you know, except for John Fetterman.

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Speaker 1: God bless John Fetterman. You know, he seems like an

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Speaker 1: honest guy. Uh he didn't. He didn't take Trump's bait,

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Speaker 1: but but the rest of the Democrats did, and it

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Speaker 1: was it was fun to watch, and it was an

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Speaker 2: I love this by the way, from the Babylon b

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Speaker 2: This was about Hillary Clinton, who today, as you and

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Speaker 2: it says politician on Epstein list grilled by other politicians

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Speaker 2: on Epstein list. I see, I find I appreciate you

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Speaker 2: guys are making I'm making a joke around this now

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Speaker 2: because you know, people have have gotten so tangled up

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Speaker 2: so many things, right, there's the there's obviously the criminality

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Speaker 2: these politicians now that are playing this this like food

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Speaker 2: fight game of well, your side, you know, your side

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Speaker 2: just feels like it's all so dishonest at this point,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's gross to see how it's kind of

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Speaker 2: Can I point out that Prince Andrew was arrested for

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Speaker 2: They got him later for stealing memorabilia. It was some

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Speaker 2: like there's a reference to Trump in the Epstein files. Okay,

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Speaker 2: ask you about just let's talk theories on this Cuba situation,

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Speaker 2: let's let's look at this thing. So, so there was

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Speaker 2: What's your take on it? You know, all theories welcome.

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Speaker 1: American history. You have a bunch of Cubans. You know,

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Speaker 1: we know how they are when they come over here,

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Speaker 1: when they escape the country, and when they come over here.

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Speaker 1: Those are those the most politically active America loving conservatives

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Speaker 1: that you'll see. So you know, I'm all for it.

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Speaker 1: Why not Cuba? I mean it would, it would the

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Speaker 2: There we go, there we go. All right, man, Well,

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Speaker 2: one thing I want to ask before I let you go,

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Speaker 2: for the Bee. I mean, I know you must read

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Speaker 2: the news and prep. It's like you guys are running

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Speaker 2: a news organization that makes that has a lot of

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Speaker 2: jokes and there's a lot of funny stuff, But is

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Speaker 2: there anything else the know being funny on command? I

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Speaker 2: we'll make jokes, but it's not like be funny. You know.

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Speaker 2: It's like, if there's a moment to make a joke,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it is it is. It is work. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's not all fun in games. We do laugh a lot.

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Speaker 1: In our writer's room, we have a shared slack where

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Speaker 1: of iterate and we riff on the news. It's really

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Speaker 1: all about kind of shots on goal. You know, the

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Speaker 1: more pitches that you have, the more likely you are

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Speaker 1: to find something that's really funny and you can kind

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Speaker 1: do this is that ideas are cheap. They're a dime

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Speaker 1: many ideas as you possibly can. It's just it's just

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Speaker 1: shots on goal. And so that's that's what we do.

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Speaker 1: and it really is a fun way to look at

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Speaker 1: the news. I mean, you know, the news is often

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Speaker 1: always having this mindset of like what's funny about this,

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Speaker 1: it's it's really just a it's a fun way to live,

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Speaker 1: a fun way to look at the news. And we're

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Speaker 1: bit through our headlines with other people, kind of giving

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Speaker 2: Joel, I appreciate your work, man. I think I think

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Speaker 2: the Babylon Beat does great stuff, So I'm a fan,

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Speaker 2: so for where that's worth.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for what you do. Man, appreciate going on

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Speaker 2: the podcast. Appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Buck