Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast knows what a turkey? Holy.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas and I've joined in the
Speaker 1: garage that has just one hero, Mark Sessler. What's up boy?
Speaker 1: How you doing? Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. Yes,
Speaker 1: it is the Friday morning after Thanksgiving and we have
Speaker 1: gathered here in the rented garage, usually the spot of
Speaker 1: the throwback podcast that I do with my buddy bobcast
Speaker 1: show and my bosom buddy. But once again on Thursday
Speaker 1: night games, we keep the tradition of doing it here
Speaker 1: in the garage. Little Chili. I got the space heater on.
Speaker 1: If you hear a minor hum in the background, that's
Speaker 1: because it it dipped into the thirties in l A
Speaker 1: last night and it feels good. Actually, I like that
Speaker 1: it was It reminded me being back in the Northeast.
Speaker 1: Were East coast guys, and uh it's I love anything
Speaker 1: that veers toward autumnal winter seasons. And I know we
Speaker 1: don't have a lot to complain about with the weather here,
Speaker 1: but this was a chilly evening into morning. No quid
Speaker 1: pro quo, no global warming, um Okay, let's go down
Speaker 1: that red. Save it for the political podcast. All right,
Speaker 1: So yes, three games that Thanksgiving and what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: It's essentially a UM. It's like a supersized mini pod.
Speaker 1: So we're just gonna talk about the three games, um
Speaker 1: that we're played. UM. The first game went basically the
Speaker 1: way we expected, with little hiccups along the way for
Speaker 1: the winning team. The second game kind of rearranged some
Speaker 1: feelings about two different teams, and then the last game
Speaker 1: a little bit of a blur. I I wasn't drinking.
Speaker 1: I'd agree with you. I tied it on a little
Speaker 1: bit at the NFL media Wednesday night gathering. Right, you're
Speaker 1: in the Howard Hughes phase of your life now where
Speaker 1: we can't get you to go out anywhere anywhere, so
Speaker 1: you missed it. But it was a nice gathering and
Speaker 1: I definitely hit the Tito's a little harder than I
Speaker 1: should have and that affected you not for the first
Speaker 1: two games the next day, but the but the final game.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, what I was saying was that it
Speaker 1: was a little, um, a little blurry the third game,
Speaker 1: not because of drinking on Thanksgiving, but because just eate
Speaker 1: too much food. It's it's also you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: a long it's a long day of football if you're
Speaker 1: tracking those games. And I wouldn't say it. I'm in
Speaker 1: the Howard Hughes phase. Uh. Your fingernails right now, by
Speaker 1: the way, for the listeners are each seventeen inches long.
Speaker 1: I am. I'm not. I'm not going out as much
Speaker 1: as I used to, which I miss. What I'm really
Speaker 1: trying to do is get you just to feel my
Speaker 1: absence and and and and have that effect your your
Speaker 1: relationship with me. I don't know what I'm talking about. This,
Speaker 1: this is what you got to be careful with though,
Speaker 1: in this new phase of your life. Yeah, that people
Speaker 1: get used to your absence and then you just drift away. Yep.
Speaker 1: Then I'm gone and you're just wandering the streets. I
Speaker 1: think what you need to do is make the surprise appearance,
Speaker 1: which I will do. I didn't know I had you
Speaker 1: gone to Cozy, I would have done what I normally do.
Speaker 1: It from the house is play. You can actually manipulate
Speaker 1: the Cozy jukebox from my house over an app and
Speaker 1: I believe once played It's Raining Men times in a row.
Speaker 1: I could have pulled that. Would that have been your
Speaker 1: choice again had we been at the cozy? It's always
Speaker 1: the choice we did. Uh, there was a listener that
Speaker 1: spotted us. We had the whole gang there, Colleen Gonzo,
Speaker 1: Brassy in the house, Ricky Hollywood, Cynthia Freeland. I believe
Speaker 1: Cynthia Freeland. I guilted her into coming, Eddie Spaghetti and
Speaker 1: his wonderful girlfriend. Uh, the whole gang was there. Uh.
Speaker 1: Who else was there? Thomas Warren, our buddy, Lakisha of course,
Speaker 1: and West and Lukisha did get her hamburger at Hanano's
Speaker 1: at the end of the night, as she will she deserves.
Speaker 1: So it was a great, a great gathering and then
Speaker 1: a lot of football and a lot of Thanksgiving. Ten
Speaker 1: people in the house. I fried a turkey, Uh in
Speaker 1: this garage. I believe you didn't. I don't. And I
Speaker 1: was concerned that I would be smelling um fried meat products,
Speaker 1: and I don't. There's no trace of that. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: kept the garage door cracked open yesterday while that was
Speaker 1: going on. But there's also a little burn mark in
Speaker 1: my rug that will forever memorial analyize um yesterday's activities.
Speaker 1: But anyway, enough about that great holiday. But now we
Speaker 1: spin forward. The season doesn't begin until after Thanksgiving. So
Speaker 1: these games I guess in account. But let's get into
Speaker 1: them anyway, and let's let's not go in order. Let's
Speaker 1: start with the game that most people are talking about.
Speaker 1: It is the middle game, uh in Big d The
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills looking to make a statement, and I think
Speaker 1: they did. Five wide empty at the Dallas fifteen four
Speaker 1: man fru shotgun staff, Alan lock left side, checks down,
Speaker 1: he rubs, sprints, pumps, fifteen ten five till the ends
Speaker 1: of nine, he's in touchdown Josh Allen his eighth rushing
Speaker 1: score of a year, and with three thirty seven ago
Speaker 1: in the third quarter, the Bills a domino twenty two
Speaker 1: to seven edge. I'm the Cowboys Josh Allen, Wow, buddy.
Speaker 1: Two touchdowns on Thanksgiving Day, including that rushing touchdown where
Speaker 1: he's just you know, that was a man as you
Speaker 1: put it on Twitter. I believe Mark So he scores twice,
Speaker 1: doesn't throw an interception, plays clean football more than it
Speaker 1: can be said for the Dallas Cowboys, who lay an
Speaker 1: egg at home in a really important game for them.
Speaker 1: Final score, Bills get the win, and it's an important
Speaker 1: game for the Cowboys, and we're going to get to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. But I think it's almost it's it's unfair
Speaker 1: because even when the Bills have this quote unquote statement
Speaker 1: win that everyone's been saying, Oh, the Bills need to
Speaker 1: be the team that matters after the game, and today,
Speaker 1: I'm sure everyone's just talking about the meltdown of the
Speaker 1: Cowboys anyway. So let's start with the Bills and give
Speaker 1: them the respect they deserve. Because Mark, they fall behind
Speaker 1: seven nothing in this game. Dallas makes it look easy,
Speaker 1: and you know it was playing right into you and
Speaker 1: I's locked selection. In fact, if I could pull up
Speaker 1: the tweet that you sent me, Mark, because we locked
Speaker 1: up the Cowboys woolishly, um going into this game. Your
Speaker 1: tweet after the first score was our lock is gonna
Speaker 1: fly today, and I replied, when Jason witnessed scoring, it's
Speaker 1: looking good. Wow, little Poppus asses Uh. And then what
Speaker 1: happens The Bills score what unanswered points? Uh? And they
Speaker 1: just cruise. So what was your thought, Mark, watching this
Speaker 1: game unfold and seeing its spin away and the Bills
Speaker 1: pull away, which nobody predicted. I thought that the defense
Speaker 1: for Buffalo made a big difference they forced a couple
Speaker 1: turnovers in Dallas Turner in Dallas territory of dak Prescott
Speaker 1: and that you know, they the Bills have had a
Speaker 1: tough time I thought all year closing drives with touchdowns,
Speaker 1: and they got it done this time. And they just
Speaker 1: simply seemed too And we talked about it, josh Alan
Speaker 1: operating as a total raging man, that that that's how
Speaker 1: it was in this game that he used his brute
Speaker 1: power on the ground uh ten rushes for forty three
Speaker 1: yards and in an awesome touchdown run too, and they
Speaker 1: just kind of squeezed the life out of Dallas. And
Speaker 1: you know, and I understand that the Cowboys are a
Speaker 1: talent team both on offense and defense where you want
Speaker 1: to look at these metrics, uh, they kind of rise
Speaker 1: up to the top of the crop in both categories.
Speaker 1: But by the end of the game, it was West
Speaker 1: texting us saying, you know what, I'm kind of done
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys because they they don't close games. And
Speaker 1: that's why we're talking about them afterwards. Because of the
Speaker 1: way that Joe's Jason Garrett and we talked about this
Speaker 1: on our preview pod. I thought was totally out coached
Speaker 1: by Sean McDermott and the Bills. This is a signature
Speaker 1: win in their nine and three and I feel like
Speaker 1: they are hidden away, couched away in Western New York
Speaker 1: and no one talks about them. They played every single
Speaker 1: game in a row at ten am Western West Coast time,
Speaker 1: over and over. You don't see them on Prime time.
Speaker 1: This was the kind of win where suddenly they are
Speaker 1: on the radar because they dropped a massive death bomb
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys. It was it's closed to a death
Speaker 1: bond for Dallas. But somehow they're still in first place
Speaker 1: at six and six and the NFC East. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you this was the story around the Bills that they had.
Speaker 1: Um they had all these wins against teams that weren't
Speaker 1: any good and uh, seven of their eight wins entering
Speaker 1: Thursday were against teams with losing records. But we talked
Speaker 1: about it on Thursday. The this was it. This was
Speaker 1: the stage for the Bills after years and years of
Speaker 1: one pm games that no one was paying attention to.
Speaker 1: Everyone was gonna be watching this game and now they're
Speaker 1: nine in three and not only are they now a
Speaker 1: near lock for the postseason barring a complete clar lock Um.
Speaker 1: You also don't forget about the AFC East because they
Speaker 1: keep winning and they keep the pressure on the Pats
Speaker 1: who have a lot of issues. And this is a
Speaker 1: big thing to watch. I don't think anybody really is.
Speaker 1: But they have the Texans this week New England. Uh,
Speaker 1: they look like a team with their issues on offense
Speaker 1: that would potentially go into a slump. And then that
Speaker 1: leaves the door wide open. Uh for the Bills. Do
Speaker 1: they have They play each other, and they played each
Speaker 1: other in week sixteen, and after that Texans game for
Speaker 1: New England, New England has to play the Chiefs the
Speaker 1: week after. Now then you get the Bengals and the
Speaker 1: Dolphins in there. So it's a tall order to suggest
Speaker 1: that the Bills could win the division. But it's not absurd.
Speaker 1: It's not absurd, it's it's it's the fact that it's possible.
Speaker 1: Here in December, is in early December. Is is fantastic.
Speaker 1: And the Bills are one of the least reported on
Speaker 1: teams in the NFL. And this has to be the
Speaker 1: feel good operation in the entire league right now. And
Speaker 1: they now get basically a half by ten days off
Speaker 1: and they have the Ravens in Week fourteen. So I
Speaker 1: I imagine there are people that will be out there
Speaker 1: and be like, well, yes, they did win and this
Speaker 1: was a nice win, but the Cowboys, it turns out,
Speaker 1: aren't very good. Well that no one will be questioning
Speaker 1: anything about the Bills if they go and play the
Speaker 1: Ravens and somehow win that game. But we'll we'll get
Speaker 1: to that down the road. As far as far as
Speaker 1: the Cowboys go, the reason I locked them up, and
Speaker 1: the reason I'm sure you did too, is just this
Speaker 1: felt like the game where because they are or this
Speaker 1: is I'm going through my mind entering Thursday. They are
Speaker 1: a good team. Maybe they're not a great team, but
Speaker 1: they're a good team. And at home, after the owner
Speaker 1: sounds off and kind of puts everybody on blast with
Speaker 1: the talent that they have on offense, uh that they
Speaker 1: would find a way to get this a win that
Speaker 1: they needed and move forward and move past, because that's
Speaker 1: kind of been a part of the story of the
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett era, that just when it feels like the
Speaker 1: walls are falling in, they get that big win to
Speaker 1: get back on their feet, and in this case, they
Speaker 1: did not, and after the game it's telling so you.
Speaker 1: Of course, one of the best parts of Cowboys games
Speaker 1: is the jerebox UH sweet shots. And it was getting
Speaker 1: darker and darker and darker. And then by the end
Speaker 1: of the game, when reporters catch up with him outside
Speaker 1: the Cowboys locker room, he has tears in his eyes
Speaker 1: talking about what's going on with the Cowboys. Let's listen
Speaker 1: to that. This is not the time for me. I'm
Speaker 1: looking ahead at another ball game, and I'm looking ahead
Speaker 1: it went in full or five straight, five straight and
Speaker 1: helping write a story that they'll talk about that looks
Speaker 1: like you were down and at and got it that
Speaker 1: I made that. I mean that that's the way that
Speaker 1: I'm operating every decision that I make over the next month,
Speaker 1: well being with an and man to get us in
Speaker 1: the Simple Bowl. Now, well, I think it's very clear
Speaker 1: that the coaching change is coming. And you predicted that
Speaker 1: as one of your post Thanksgiving Now that the league
Speaker 1: now that the season matters um predictions, and and and
Speaker 1: I suggested even after that that I thought it could
Speaker 1: happen before week seventeen because of the way this team
Speaker 1: UH operates and the fact that you're going to get
Speaker 1: comments from Jerry Jones after every single game and in
Speaker 1: all week long, and I honestly kind of felt for
Speaker 1: for for Jason Garrett watching him on the sideline and
Speaker 1: just the you know, he's one of these guys where
Speaker 1: you can you can kind of read what's happening inside
Speaker 1: on his face and I just seemed to be like
Speaker 1: a man in pain. And they are lucky Dallas in
Speaker 1: you know, I'm tweeted this out that the NFC East
Speaker 1: is doubling right now, is like a youth hostel for
Speaker 1: small clowns, and it's it's a mess. So you could
Speaker 1: still win that division. You want have about the Bills
Speaker 1: winning the East In the a f C, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: could still win that division because the Eagles are punchless
Speaker 1: and have their own issues too. But the overall direction
Speaker 1: and the inability to play up to the roster's talent
Speaker 1: is ominous. And I think we're looking at the final
Speaker 1: few games of Jason Garrett, who's been there for so long.
Speaker 1: And the problem is the b line with Jason Garrett,
Speaker 1: the in game coaching decisions, uh, the late game crumblings
Speaker 1: that's been consistent with him throughout, and there was you know,
Speaker 1: they were they were I think what they were trying
Speaker 1: to do, if you're Jason Gerett, was be more aggressive
Speaker 1: and show I'm not going to be this hyper conservative coach.
Speaker 1: They went forward on fourth down inside the ten yard
Speaker 1: line against Buffalo and it was an incomplete passed by
Speaker 1: Deak Prescott. Was a killer play for them, and they
Speaker 1: you know, they tried to do certain things that you
Speaker 1: would expect, maybe like a John Harbor of John Harbor,
Speaker 1: and it didn't work out because and that's on the players,
Speaker 1: that's not all on Jason Garrett. But the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: me are a one and done if they get into
Speaker 1: the playoffs, they're just they're not They're not living up
Speaker 1: to their talent. And I thought they did a better
Speaker 1: job of that last year than this year. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: it won't be good enough just to make the playoffs
Speaker 1: and go one and done it. And now that we're
Speaker 1: getting down to the nitty gritty as it were, Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means really, but I use
Speaker 1: the expression. I think that's from a time when men
Speaker 1: were doing a little bit more man work than we
Speaker 1: do work, you mean podcasting and a girl. I don't
Speaker 1: think that nitty gritty is something that we deal with
Speaker 1: on a day to day basis. Yes, now that we
Speaker 1: have it's a smaller picture. We're not above the tree
Speaker 1: tops anymore. To use some corporo jargon, they need to
Speaker 1: essentially their six and six. They gotta go three and
Speaker 1: one down the stretch. They gotta win the division and
Speaker 1: then I think for Jason gard to keep his job,
Speaker 1: they have to then win a wild card game. And
Speaker 1: all of that. By the way, all that still feels
Speaker 1: plausible because this team, when it's in its top gear,
Speaker 1: can hang with a lot of teams. But also just
Speaker 1: maybe it's just not gonna happen with this team and
Speaker 1: maybe with this coach, and it's just time. We'll see.
Speaker 1: They get the Bears, who are now six and six
Speaker 1: at Soldier Field. Uh. I think it's a Sunday night
Speaker 1: game that could go either way too, And I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I just also, you win, so you
Speaker 1: win a wild card game and get waxed in the
Speaker 1: next playoff operation. Is that really a pro Jason Garrett moment.
Speaker 1: I just I think it's just more of the same.
Speaker 1: It's a Thursday night game. Actually, I should clarify that,
Speaker 1: so that's say we'll be covering that game next week
Speaker 1: and maybe that will game when we'll be tolling the
Speaker 1: funeral bells for the Jason Garrett Art because they lose
Speaker 1: that game, well, they'll still probably win the division. I
Speaker 1: don't trust the Eagles to do anything. The Redskins and
Speaker 1: Giants are already dead and buried. It's a messy division.
Speaker 1: Um all right, let us now move to the first
Speaker 1: game we watched. Uh so take it away, fourth down
Speaker 1: play while surveys the defense play clock running down to
Speaker 1: seven Now would Fox Law gets the snap, he's back
Speaker 1: to throw. Blow is looking. Heats it up off his
Speaker 1: back foot down the west side for Godaday, intercepted by
Speaker 1: Eddie Jackson, will go down at the fourteen yard load
Speaker 1: and Matt should ceiling. Eddie Jackson, who had to pick
Speaker 1: six off Thanksgiving a year ago, pick that one off.
Speaker 1: It should end the game. Bears will take over with
Speaker 1: twenty nine seconds left on top by four. Eddie Jackson
Speaker 1: seals the deal with an interception of David Blow. Did
Speaker 1: we get it's Blow? David Blow? Not only do I
Speaker 1: know his last name at this point, I would say
Speaker 1: that I'm one of the biggest David Blow fans out there.
Speaker 1: After whatever, I'm Actually there is a Kendall Freer from
Speaker 1: a Yahoo our friend who used to work at the NFL.
Speaker 1: She and I have anointed ourselves as co presidents of
Speaker 1: the Blowhards, a fan club that will be releasing newsletters
Speaker 1: monthly until no matter what happens to David Blouse's career.
Speaker 1: Would this be happening if you didn't still have a
Speaker 1: gardener Minshew root? Well, she was. She was a huge
Speaker 1: Minshoovian and as as was I. And with him out
Speaker 1: of the picture, we've quickly moved on to David Black.
Speaker 1: Gotta wonder what the mins Humaniacs think about all this.
Speaker 1: I think they would there's a similar energy with David
Speaker 1: blow I would have loved had he, you know, sealed
Speaker 1: the deal versus throwing that interception. All right, so Mark
Speaker 1: has another subpart quarterback to pump up and we have
Speaker 1: a bear win over the Lions. Um for all the
Speaker 1: blow Hards out there, a very nice job. The first
Speaker 1: pass in the NFL is a seventy five yard touchdown. Uh,
Speaker 1: he got them. He had another throw scoring pass, so
Speaker 1: he he played a really nice game all things considered.
Speaker 1: He is a third string quarterback, though, and that started
Speaker 1: to show as the game progressed and the Lions a
Speaker 1: team that just has never found a found a way
Speaker 1: to win this this year. Oh, I guess you could.
Speaker 1: You weren't saying that when they were three one in
Speaker 1: one or whatever. But it's just been kind of a
Speaker 1: nightmare since they've lost eight of nine. And we'll see
Speaker 1: what that means from Matt Patricia. Uh, Mitch Trobinsky was
Speaker 1: the better quarterback on Thursday at Ford Field. He had
Speaker 1: his best game of the season. In fact, this was
Speaker 1: the type of game, although imperfect, that the Bears kind
Speaker 1: of thought they would get on a semi regular basis.
Speaker 1: He threw for over three yards, He threw a top,
Speaker 1: he threw three touchdowns. UM. He made some mistakes UM
Speaker 1: an interception. He also had that puzzling third down scramble
Speaker 1: at the end of the first half where he veered
Speaker 1: left instead of going to for the first down. But
Speaker 1: maybe his hip and his shoulder and all those injuries
Speaker 1: playing into effect. I don't think we should be judging
Speaker 1: the toughness of any man running towards two seventy five
Speaker 1: linebackers trying to end his life. UM. But anyway, nice
Speaker 1: job by Travisky. Really in general, I'll say this for Travisky,
Speaker 1: and I think maybe the toothpaste is out of the
Speaker 1: uh the old tube. Mark. You know I've been using
Speaker 1: that one late. I just like it that work. I
Speaker 1: don't know if the Bears can talk themselves into Trabinsky
Speaker 1: after this year, but he is doing himself a favor
Speaker 1: regardless with by trending upward in the last few weeks,
Speaker 1: and maybe he could end in December hot as well,
Speaker 1: because twenty nine thirty eight three thirty eight almost nine
Speaker 1: yards and ten three touchdowns. The Lions are a bad,
Speaker 1: bad defense and a quarterback, and even an average quarterback
Speaker 1: should be able to have his way. So this is
Speaker 1: progress and the Bears. I'll have to check out where
Speaker 1: we're at with the playoff picture, and I'll do that
Speaker 1: when I throw it to you, Mark. But there's six
Speaker 1: and six and at least they If you're a bearrass fan,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna go into December with a dream. Well,
Speaker 1: you mentioned they played the Cowboys and they also have
Speaker 1: the Packers, Chiefs, and Vikings. So the road is, the
Speaker 1: road is rough, The road is I hope you enjoyed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just like that. That's that's The thing
Speaker 1: for me is the overall arc of some of these teams.
Speaker 1: It's nice when you get this win on the big
Speaker 1: stage and everyone sees it. And Robinsky, you know, I
Speaker 1: tweeted out like mid third quarter that Mitchell Robinsky is
Speaker 1: a thing of the past, and I was proven wrong yesterday.
Speaker 1: Now I don't know what that means overall, because getting
Speaker 1: choked up because he thought he had Strabisky dead and buried,
Speaker 1: and now he's talking about and playing a good game.
Speaker 1: He he, he showed up a lot of yesterday, and
Speaker 1: there was there were moments where I thought Matt Nigi
Speaker 1: looked very steamed at Mitchell Robinsky at the end of
Speaker 1: the first half, and that that was a talking point
Speaker 1: in the broadcast to this is a team with the
Speaker 1: highest percentage of three and ounce in the NFL, and
Speaker 1: they've looked that way. But you got a big game
Speaker 1: from Anthony Miller at wide receiver Allen Robinson. They haven't
Speaker 1: really had their wide receiver show up consistently week after week.
Speaker 1: That has a lot to do with the guy throwing
Speaker 1: the passes. But they took care of Detroit, who tested
Speaker 1: them more than you would want. And and if if
Speaker 1: I'm a Bears fan like I, I don't necessarily know
Speaker 1: if this changes, uh the environment and what I think
Speaker 1: about Mitchell Robinsky. Do you really go into next do
Speaker 1: you want confirm it? Do you want to be confirmed
Speaker 1: that this is your guy? And you go into next
Speaker 1: season with the same problems? Is he growing? Is he changing?
Speaker 1: It was a nice game against what has been a
Speaker 1: pretty bad defense. He also had a terrible interception. Darius
Speaker 1: Slay picked him off on a what I thought was
Speaker 1: one of the one just a typical Mitchell Robinsky turnover
Speaker 1: type scenario. Yeah, it wasn't a perfect game, but it
Speaker 1: was progress. Yeah, that that's kind of what I'm getting at.
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's if Trabinsky, no matter what happens,
Speaker 1: if the Bears decide they have to bring somebody in
Speaker 1: at the very east, at the very least, you imagine
Speaker 1: they'll look to upgrade over at Chase Daniel because one
Speaker 1: of the big mistakes of this Bear season has been
Speaker 1: they put themselves in a position where if Trabinsky didn't
Speaker 1: work out, Chase Daniel is never really an option because
Speaker 1: Chase Daniel is a sub standard backup quarterback with limited upside,
Speaker 1: if any upside at all. So they kind of had
Speaker 1: no choice but to ride with Trabinsky. Um but yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I mean Traubinsky is gonna be the main storyline. You
Speaker 1: give credit to the Bears defense for the first three
Speaker 1: yard passing game all year, and that that's an outlier.
Speaker 1: Like these quarterbacks are throwing yards, you know, in mediocre games,
Speaker 1: and so I like, you're just not getting I just don't.
Speaker 1: I don't really care sometimes about like you need the
Speaker 1: game game to game production, and he's not. He's not
Speaker 1: reliably doing that for the Bears. And that's a nice
Speaker 1: performance yesterday, But come on, let's look at the overall
Speaker 1: body of work. It's very concerning for a number two
Speaker 1: overall pick. I would be stunned if he's there starting quarterback.
Speaker 1: Couldn't you see maybe could you see Cam Newton in
Speaker 1: a Bears uniform? I I just can And I feel
Speaker 1: like he'd fit that team. I just someone that comes
Speaker 1: in and gives them is a veteran that can give
Speaker 1: you a little bit of a different operation than remember
Speaker 1: the Carnival atmosphere about finding a kicker. Imagine what it's
Speaker 1: gonna be like with the Bears and Ryan Pace and
Speaker 1: Matt Naggie finding a quarterback that's gonna be a major storyline. Well,
Speaker 1: and I think because Ryan Pace picked Mitch Robinsky and
Speaker 1: probably wants to see this to the very bitter end,
Speaker 1: like you may not get a different quarterback, and he's
Speaker 1: under a contract, he's under that rookie contract, and his
Speaker 1: trade value probably isn't high. Maybe maybe he's a guy
Speaker 1: that gets floated and trade talks and and you can
Speaker 1: get a mid to late round pick. I don't know,
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens with the future of him. But
Speaker 1: the Bears defense, which has shown signs of life the
Speaker 1: last two weeks. They not that they were ever bad
Speaker 1: this season, but they needed to be dominant like they
Speaker 1: were at their best last year to help float this
Speaker 1: bad offense. And they haven't been up to the task.
Speaker 1: But they held the lines to just two field goals
Speaker 1: in the last three quarters of this game. I did
Speaker 1: have to ask you about what happened at halftime of
Speaker 1: this game because that early Detroit Chicago or Detroit matchups
Speaker 1: in general and Thanksgiving give you that halftime performance that
Speaker 1: gets floated out. There is a big deal with typically
Speaker 1: UH performers that you've never heard of or you're not
Speaker 1: you wouldn't uh, you know, go out of your way
Speaker 1: to watch. This was the Brothers Osborne. I felt for
Speaker 1: them because, yeah, I'm not sure exactly what happened, but
Speaker 1: there was like an electricity uh shortage or a blackout
Speaker 1: right before they started to play. And the brothers Osborne,
Speaker 1: one of them a typical lead singer looking guy, the
Speaker 1: other a bearded fellow who plays guitar and sings. Also
Speaker 1: yeah that I mean like they were stuck on stage
Speaker 1: and the cameras did not veer away from them, They
Speaker 1: just stuck on them and they had to stand there
Speaker 1: and like deal with this a minute plus of energy shortage.
Speaker 1: And this the fake crowd that they put out around
Speaker 1: the bands when they do these things, started just taking
Speaker 1: They're real people, but they're very much a fake credit.
Speaker 1: It's a very fake orchestrated crowd. But just the the
Speaker 1: awkwardness level of that was I want to initially enjoyable
Speaker 1: and then to me, Damna Jing. Yeah, the power outage
Speaker 1: at halftime. I put that in terms of NFL Lord
Speaker 1: just a bit of a bit ahead of Super I
Speaker 1: just thought in terms of yes, in terms of the reach,
Speaker 1: how people will remember it, um, how it will just
Speaker 1: stick in people's minds. Is like one of those unforgettable
Speaker 1: NFL moments. The Brothers Osborne power outage at the two
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions three eight and one versus Chicago Barys six
Speaker 1: and sixty. I'll never forget it. They battled through, and
Speaker 1: I'll give them that they because they did perform the song. Eventually.
Speaker 1: Where was the power outage during the nickelback performance of
Speaker 1: That's when we needed less electricity? All right? Anything else
Speaker 1: on this game? No I I I come out of
Speaker 1: here just very excited about the whole concept of David
Speaker 1: Blow and I hope that he gets more starts than
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford. Look out. Uh. And I did mention the
Speaker 1: Bears defense Roquan Smith, he was the absolute star. Fifteen tackles,
Speaker 1: ten solo, two sacks, two tackles for lost, two QB hits.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, that's one of the best defensive games. Uh.
Speaker 1: We'll see the season all right. Finally, UH, Thursday night
Speaker 1: Football Thanksgiving Night. Uh in Atlanta, Pree receivers left one
Speaker 1: of the right, Brian dropped Saints bring it five, pressure
Speaker 1: and down goes Matt Ryan. The ninth second the game
Speaker 1: for New Orleans and on a way for them to
Speaker 1: clench this victory. Cameron Jordan gets yet another his fourth
Speaker 1: of the game, his eight five of his career, and
Speaker 1: the Saints are thirty eight seconds away from it winning
Speaker 1: the NFC South Well, he's working against the rookie Cantall
Speaker 1: Gary and it's a hand swipe. He knocks the hands away,
Speaker 1: but Gary has no shot. Cam Jordan gets on his
Speaker 1: edge and Matt Ryan is a sitting duck in the pocket.
Speaker 1: Either have either have any time to find anyone down
Speaker 1: the field. And the offensive line of the Falcons another
Speaker 1: tough week. Cameron Jordan's have a day. The Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: defensive end finished with four sacks one if I believe
Speaker 1: nine in the game for the New Orleans Saints, who
Speaker 1: had some issues with special teams down the stretch, they're
Speaker 1: not recover an outside gig. My goodness, someone's gonna get fired.
Speaker 1: But because of that incredible pass rush or that horrible
Speaker 1: Atlanta offensive line or both, the Saints do hold on
Speaker 1: eighteen the final score and with the win. And this
Speaker 1: is one of those things that a benchmark you with
Speaker 1: any team would set when you could clinch it a
Speaker 1: vision on Thanksgiving, you are doing a nice job. And
Speaker 1: that's what the Saints did there. The NFC the South
Speaker 1: champions at ten and two in Atlanta, playing without Julio
Speaker 1: Jones who has a bum shoulder, who knows they might
Speaker 1: shut him down, go to a j green route at
Speaker 1: this point, Uh, they're three and nine. Mark, there's a
Speaker 1: nice moment. Uh, nice night for your boy Taysom Hill
Speaker 1: as well. Two touchdowns and you know that lock I
Speaker 1: had where I said he'd get to seven is very
Speaker 1: much in play. I believe it's five and uh it's
Speaker 1: he Absolutely there's a shot because I think we're seeing
Speaker 1: that Sean Payton loves his versatility and he also had
Speaker 1: a blocked punt. I mean, this guy kind of does
Speaker 1: it all. He's sort of a Bill bella check in
Speaker 1: dream like someone. Alright, you'll see what you're doing here,
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill. That's America is gonna fall for you when
Speaker 1: you when you want to, you know, drop a big
Speaker 1: sandwich proposition on someone. You do it on a handsome
Speaker 1: guy like Taysom Hill, who's a bit of a wild card,
Speaker 1: does it all. Very nice performance by him. Do you
Speaker 1: know there's also a fan group. I'm surprised because your
Speaker 1: your wager that that you wouldn't already be there, but
Speaker 1: I founded it with a handful of other women in
Speaker 1: the New Orleans. Okay, on Taysom Hill, I like that.
Speaker 1: I like that. I like last night what I tweeted
Speaker 1: out was tasty Hill, because that's how I feel about
Speaker 1: this player. At this point, you're tweeting a lot last night. Well,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, like there's no I had no
Speaker 1: no family families up there. So I'm home and like
Speaker 1: I'm watching three straight games. Finger nails are extremely long.
Speaker 1: My only way to communicate with humanity is filled with
Speaker 1: a yellow liquid that's not game. You know, I'm really
Speaker 1: wishing I I popped into that dot that Wednesday night
Speaker 1: get together because this narrative is unfavorable for me. Should
Speaker 1: have done it. But you were tweeting a lot and
Speaker 1: Tasty Hills yet another gem from the Sessler account, tasty
Speaker 1: Hill because he does it all and this I thought
Speaker 1: the game kind of just sort of played. You said
Speaker 1: it was a bit formless. I think you mentioned or well, no,
Speaker 1: at the top of the show you mentioned that there
Speaker 1: wasn't a lot to take out of it. I just
Speaker 1: was like in a in a haze by the end
Speaker 1: of a long holiday by. It was the perfect late
Speaker 1: game because you know, outside of the Greg Rosenthal Um
Speaker 1: Falcons fetish group, like there's just it kind of played
Speaker 1: the script, I thought, the way that you'd expect in
Speaker 1: The Saints are very much alive still for not just
Speaker 1: a by but potentially the first overall seat in the
Speaker 1: NFC if a couple of things go wrong for the
Speaker 1: forty nine. New Orleans is right there. Can I just
Speaker 1: say this though, I and I like the Saints a lot,
Speaker 1: but I'm not like in love with how they're playing
Speaker 1: the last three or four weeks. Now. They they're a
Speaker 1: little bit, i don't know, a little messy, a little
Speaker 1: not as sharp as you'd like their winning. They obviously
Speaker 1: had that hiccup the last time they played the Falcons, uh,
Speaker 1: and they've won every game since. But I'm not seeing
Speaker 1: a team when you look at a team like the
Speaker 1: Ravens or they're not doing that type of damage, And
Speaker 1: I guess it makes you think it plants the seed
Speaker 1: is of all right, Well, we got the San Francisco
Speaker 1: forty Niners next week. Let's see if they can hang
Speaker 1: in that game. I mean, I think the Saints can
Speaker 1: hang with anybody. Yeah, but I think they just need
Speaker 1: to be a lot sharper than they've been in recent weeks.
Speaker 1: I think what I give them is and it kind
Speaker 1: of reminds me a little bit of the Patriots, who
Speaker 1: are not dominating people with blowouts and dropping forty burgers
Speaker 1: on people. Is They've got Sean Payton, who is a
Speaker 1: top two, top three coach in the league. And you know,
Speaker 1: quarter whether Drew Brees has been in the lineup or not,
Speaker 1: they've been in every game. But you're right, they're not.
Speaker 1: They don't strike you as some sort of ruffian absolute
Speaker 1: juggernaut that's gonna just take out anyone they can. The
Speaker 1: Falcons hung around in this game, and the the onside
Speaker 1: kick stuff was bizarre. I mean, for the win, but
Speaker 1: he also he killed them with with miss p e t.
Speaker 1: I'm not in this era where they change the rules
Speaker 1: to make an onside kick impossible to recover, and I
Speaker 1: think was the first onside kick that got called back
Speaker 1: on penalty? Was that a bad call to the but
Speaker 1: he and credit to the rest of the Special Teams group.
Speaker 1: I don't want of just highlight one guy, but who
Speaker 1: put it in the exact spot it was like a
Speaker 1: pinball wizard, like shooting it right in between, like the
Speaker 1: up back that's supposed to be the blocker, but putting
Speaker 1: in a place where it was before Alvin Kamara or
Speaker 1: that anybody else from the hands team could get to it.
Speaker 1: That's a real skill. I feel like that should earn
Speaker 1: you a roster spot for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: I I'm with you, and I am sad to feel
Speaker 1: that this game that was not as much on your
Speaker 1: radar as you would think because you had the glorious
Speaker 1: Mike Arrico announcing along with Tony Dungee and Rodney Harrison
Speaker 1: and Tariko One thing. I these there are these are
Speaker 1: these are These guys are not all created equal. I mean,
Speaker 1: Terrico is just a creative guy. Where the way he
Speaker 1: was describing some of that action late in the game
Speaker 1: in general, what a pleasure. And it's I feel like
Speaker 1: we've been robbed to not have him in our life
Speaker 1: as a after week, there's a lot of We've talked
Speaker 1: about it off off Mike, a lot maybe on Mike,
Speaker 1: but there's definitely a Joe Montana Steve Young vibe with
Speaker 1: al Michael's in the Monte on a Roll and you
Speaker 1: have this guy Tariko, who's an absolute all pro, maybe
Speaker 1: even a Hall of Famer, waiting for his opportunity. And
Speaker 1: and he's he's twenty five years and he's twenty six,
Speaker 1: he's twenty seven, he's twenty eight, he's twenty nine. When
Speaker 1: is he going to get his chance to get behind
Speaker 1: the mic or get on the field to extend that
Speaker 1: uh analogy. I believe that Tariko will be able to
Speaker 1: make his mark, But he's waiting for Alice's Hill. He's
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill, you know, right. Well that's and I'm on
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill Areas Hill, You're right? I I I think
Speaker 1: that maybe there's a little difference there. But you know,
Speaker 1: nice game, uh for the Saints. And and I have
Speaker 1: to say on the falcon side, Matt Ryan shouldn't be
Speaker 1: playing if you can't protect him. That was an atrocity
Speaker 1: what was happening at the end of that game. Even
Speaker 1: as you're trying to get if you're in if you're
Speaker 1: in favor of the chaos theory, and you're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be crazy. Let them go down the
Speaker 1: field after these onside kicks and get the two like conversion.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden there in overtime and everybody's like
Speaker 1: freaking out in the state silence. But it was never
Speaker 1: felt even in danger because they could not protect Ryan,
Speaker 1: who maybe held the ball a little longer than he
Speaker 1: should on some of those sacks too, So it's not
Speaker 1: all on the line, but they just had no chance
Speaker 1: that Cam Jordan was just running free. Uh it was
Speaker 1: a turnstile down the stretch. It was wild and that
Speaker 1: shy Tuttle interception was insane. I mean, Ryan, you know
Speaker 1: heat when you look at some of the mistakes, stiff
Speaker 1: arm Matt Ryan protect this man. And it's a holiday.
Speaker 1: I mean we should be treating people better on a holiday.
Speaker 1: So h C J. Gardner Johnson had an interception as well.
Speaker 1: So sloppy game by the Falcons, and at three and nine,
Speaker 1: it's quite It's funny in the NFL when, like when
Speaker 1: the Dolphins won those two straight and we're showering them
Speaker 1: with praise and then they get killed twice that the
Speaker 1: Falcons are the same situation. Now that all that talk
Speaker 1: about dan Quinn's gonna get his job job saved, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Three and nine, you just imagine that there's
Speaker 1: going to be a change there, and the Saints played
Speaker 1: without left tackle Toron Armstead, who's inactive suffered an ankle injury,
Speaker 1: so they're gonna need him back to be at full
Speaker 1: strength when these games matter the most. But just keep
Speaker 1: stacking wins. That's what the Sins are doing it maybe
Speaker 1: they hit their stride. I think so. And like, you
Speaker 1: know again Jared Cook, who just looks like a like
Speaker 1: he's a tight end, but it's like a big bodied
Speaker 1: wide receiver that is fast and making plays week after week.
Speaker 1: That's a big deal to have suddenly back in Drew
Speaker 1: in the world of Drew Brees, a tight end that
Speaker 1: can make plays. Yes, And that was something we kind
Speaker 1: of expected to happen in August, and it wasn't happening. Uh.
Speaker 1: And Michael Thomas, good job, buddy. Held to six forty eight.
Speaker 1: He still had a pace for the all time catch record,
Speaker 1: but now it's becoming possible he finishes just a tick below,
Speaker 1: which would be good for him. I mean, just in
Speaker 1: terms of the right thing to do right, there's things
Speaker 1: that are bigger than football, and so it is all right.
Speaker 1: And I have one other note unrelated to these three games.
Speaker 1: The Patriots released Nick Folk tough business in the kicker game.
Speaker 1: We're a kicker corner right now. He killed them last week.
Speaker 1: I mean they want they got an append appendectomy and
Speaker 1: instead of just saying all right, get well buddy, maybe
Speaker 1: they're gonna bring him back. Who knows in that situation.
Speaker 1: I always wonder is there a team doctor housed inside
Speaker 1: of the New England complex that somehow had some sort
Speaker 1: of you know, formula to create an append appendectomy situation?
Speaker 1: Because that's that then you don't look like the bad
Speaker 1: guys when you release them. So do you know who
Speaker 1: they signed to replace? I believe it was a former
Speaker 1: Brown's kicker. It is a gentleman who like him or
Speaker 1: hate him. The guy's a pro and he's finally back
Speaker 1: in the It's Kai. So now it's this is what
Speaker 1: you've been asking, you've been asking for. It's a little
Speaker 1: bit of sweet because I don't want any New England
Speaker 1: Patriots kicker to excel. So I'm kind of in an
Speaker 1: impossible situation here. Um, but I'm just happy that this
Speaker 1: era of Kai bawling is over and he deserved to
Speaker 1: be back in the league. Yes, Nick Folk was like,
Speaker 1: you know, on a retirement cruise ship somewhere and they
Speaker 1: brought him out of two years of retirement. Kai should
Speaker 1: have been on this team already, so I wish him
Speaker 1: well again. I'm I'm definitely torn because I hate the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Puts you in a very strange place, no doubt, but
Speaker 1: I do want to see Kai do well. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's just with the Patriots, it's never it's never simple. Well,
Speaker 1: it's you know, you have to ask about the Kai
Speaker 1: locker room dynamic there, because that's something that's sort of
Speaker 1: been tripped. You know, wherever he's gone, that's been an issue.
Speaker 1: So we'll find out in fairness the Kai that's actually
Speaker 1: not true. That's what I've been hearing. Had my reporting
Speaker 1: years ago that Kai's Kai. Yeah, but we've never actually
Speaker 1: heard it reported in NFL circles that I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're reporting it to me, it is rock solid information.
Speaker 1: My report is like in life, Okay, Well, in a
Speaker 1: locker room maybe because he's a kicker, he keeps his
Speaker 1: head down and he's not quite Kai's Kai. If you
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying. Well, I mean, thirty two teams
Speaker 1: have decided that not until you know, deep into the season,
Speaker 1: is he worth employing until now you know so well,
Speaker 1: maybe it all changes now four kickers for the Pats.
Speaker 1: All right, that's it for the Thanksgiving recap. We will
Speaker 1: be back as a foursome on Sunday night recapping the
Speaker 1: rest of the week thirteen games, So make sure you
Speaker 1: return for that. And uh everyone uh. As we turned
Speaker 1: to the Christmas season and the holidays, uh hanka your Kwanza,
Speaker 1: there's anyone that any other category, I hit them all.
Speaker 1: Happy holidays. As we prepare for that, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: get a Christmas tree. My in laws are here, so
Speaker 1: we're gonna make a whole. And in other words, there's
Speaker 1: no break, there's no rest for the weary, there's no rest.
Speaker 1: There's no rest. And I hope that it's a nice tree.
Speaker 1: And how about you just go back into the cave
Speaker 1: picking up the family from the airport in in a
Speaker 1: few hours. So I this narrative that I am like
Speaker 1: hidden away at home. As as you mentioned, Howard Hughes,
Speaker 1: we did try to get you out of the house
Speaker 1: three consecutive days. We couldn't do it. We'll go to
Speaker 1: do it. You know, I was in it. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: just severe a little antisocial. That's where I went, That's
Speaker 1: where I went, he went deep covering. Now you get
Speaker 1: overwhelmed because the kids are gonna be on fire to
Speaker 1: be home. You're gonna be on fire. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: I missed them, though. It's good. It's gonna be on fire.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. We'll see, I mean, hopefully
Speaker 1: she will be of mellow attitude. We'll find out. All right. Well,
Speaker 1: there's a lot, a lot hanging in the balance here.
Speaker 1: Uh So, thank you everybody, And as per tradition for
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