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Speaker 1: Hello again everybody, and once again welcome to Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kickoff Live here, brought to you by a course light

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Speaker 1: as always seen on Giants dot Com. At the controls

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Speaker 1: for us today, Brian con fourth with me, ceeded to

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Speaker 1: my left, my buddy, my good buddy, Paul Datino. I'm

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Speaker 1: Russ Salzburg and you the fans are out there in

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Speaker 1: the number. As always, the call is to zero one.

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Speaker 1: Here I go again. I almost did it, but I didn't,

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Speaker 1: PAULI I was ready to give my phone number again.

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Speaker 1: Why don't I just look down to zero one? Just

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Speaker 1: read it? Two zero one nine nine four five one three.

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Speaker 1: That is to zero one nine four or five one

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Speaker 1: three is uh the number? Just before we do anything,

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Speaker 1: app and UH well, we got an extra day this week.

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Speaker 1: They played the Eagles Monday Night, which, h well, it's

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Speaker 1: never a walk in the park, but that certainly going

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Speaker 1: Monday night, National TV against the an Eagle team that

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Speaker 1: h there you go. Yeah, it's never easy, but that

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Speaker 1: of fact, think about this, the Giants have lost five

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Speaker 1: ten times these two teams have played. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think that I need to remind you Ross, this has

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Speaker 1: been a very cyclical series. It seems as though, you know,

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Speaker 1: and then for several years the other team owns the series,

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Speaker 1: and then it switches again. I mean, if you remember,

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Speaker 1: these teams go on five out of six, seven out

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Speaker 1: now it's been five years that the Eagles have owned

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Speaker 1: the series. At some point it's going to turn around.

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Speaker 1: It just always does. Um. But in any event, certainly

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Speaker 1: the remainder of these. Uh. The schedule h two oh

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Speaker 1: You're on with Russ and Paul. How are you doing today,

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Speaker 1: wonderful guys. Glad to be able to speak to you.

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Speaker 1: To Wise Owls as usual, I don't know if Wise

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Speaker 1: error's version of Dion Sanders. And when I say that,

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Speaker 1: with Bob. Hello, Bob, how are we doing today? You're

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Speaker 1: on with Russ and Paul. Hello, guys, I risked up

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Speaker 1: You hung up on me last week. Um well, let's

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Speaker 1: into our youth leagues about parents treat kids when they're

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Speaker 1: playing these sports. They make it like, well, you know what,

425
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Speaker 1: coach MARVL, that's why you're one of our favorite callers.

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Speaker 1: But listen, you can speak to this better than most

427
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Speaker 1: people because you coach kids, You've dealt with the parents,

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Speaker 1: and you know I've always said this sports is probably

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Speaker 1: and I'll go back to little league and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: That's the first time a lot of these kids learn

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Speaker 1: about disappointment. You know, it's heartbreaking to lose. They cry

432
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Speaker 1: at the end of the game. But sometimes sometimes you

433
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Speaker 1: know the great Roy Campanella, uh, Hall of Fame catcher

434
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Speaker 1: with the Brooklyn Dodgers. Once you know, baseball is a

435
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Speaker 1: great game, uh, he said two things. Baseball is a

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Speaker 1: great game. Uh. But it's a great game until the

437
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Speaker 1: parents screw it up. And then he said, even though

438
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: the game is then as far as pros go, he said,

439
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: even though Paul, the game is, it's a business. You

440
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: still gotta have a lot of little boy in you

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Speaker 1: to play the you know, in that business. I'm gonna

442
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Speaker 1: disagree with you guys just a little bit, all right,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this. I do believe that when George

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Speaker 1: Allen said, you know, every time you lose, a little

445
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Speaker 1: PC has got to die inside. I do believe that

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Speaker 1: losing has to hurt. I do believe when you get

447
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Speaker 1: to the professional level, especially not so much the lower levels,

448
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: but when you get to the professional level and you lose,

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00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: you better hurt and you better be angry about it, because,

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Speaker 1: as Bill Parcels used to say, winning breeds winning and

451
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Speaker 1: losing breeds, he's coach Marvin's not talking about the players.

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Speaker 1: Coach Marvin's talking about the fans. I'm talking the fans

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Speaker 1: he's talking about. I misunderstood. I thought I thought you

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Speaker 1: were talking about Foyers because you were saying about the

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Speaker 1: the Alabama player who apologized, and if he felt so

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Speaker 1: bad about losing that he felt compelled on his own

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Speaker 1: behalf to apologize. I don't think that's a problem for me.

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Speaker 1: I don't think any one player should apologize on behalf

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Speaker 1: of a team because now you're speaking for other teammates.

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Speaker 1: But if he thought his performance cost them the game,

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Speaker 1: then he has every right to apologize if he wants to. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get what coach a head coach, I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: Fall I can't agree with that, but I just for me,

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Speaker 1: I didn't feel that's why he was apologized. He was

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Speaker 1: getting ahead of the curve because of what was going

466
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Speaker 1: to happen to him because as soon as he missed it,

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00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: that was my first thought and how people going to

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Speaker 1: treat him after this game. Okay, the way you said it, Paul,

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Speaker 1: I agree, you know you did. It should hurt when

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Speaker 1: you lose games, when you're the players, and when they

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00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: do hurt. And I always said winning doesn't last that long,

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Speaker 1: because once we win a game, that's it. The next week,

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Speaker 1: we're ready to play next week. But when you're losing,

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Speaker 1: that last to all. The fact that last until you

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Speaker 1: get back on the field again and try to correct

476
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Speaker 1: that law and next the difference between winning and losing.

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Speaker 1: And that's the difference, Coach mar Thank you, buddy, as

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Speaker 1: always for the call, my friend. That is also the

479
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: difference in with football as opposed to all the other sports.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you're playing baseball, or you're playing basketball

481
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: or hockey, you get a chance to clean it out

482
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Speaker 1: quickly the next night. It doesn't happen in football unless

483
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Speaker 1: you're a closer. In baseball, then there's a possibility you

484
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Speaker 1: may not pitch for a couple of days, or even

485
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Speaker 1: the starter notes he's not gonna pitch every five days. Possibly,

486
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Speaker 1: But you know what I'm talking about. I get, I

487
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Speaker 1: get so even the fans get a chance to erase

488
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Speaker 1: last night's lost tonight that kind of do you know

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Speaker 1: one time and I'm going to tell you this, folks.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the great scenes that I vivid etched

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Speaker 1: in my mind forever. Uh, Lawrence Taylor after the playoff

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Speaker 1: loss when Flipper Anderson ran into the tunnel in overtime,

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00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor sat at his locker for fifteen minutes. That

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00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: did not move a muscle. He sat there with his

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Speaker 1: with his with his elbows on his on his knees,

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Speaker 1: and he just sat there and he did not flinch

497
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Speaker 1: for fifteen minutes. He was so angry, he was so

498
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Speaker 1: overcome with emotion, he was so stunned, he was so furious,

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Speaker 1: and not a soul came within yards of him. That

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Speaker 1: it's etched in my mind. I could see it that

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Speaker 1: that is how a player should react after losing a

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Speaker 1: playoff game. But but it should hurt, it should bother you.

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Speaker 1: But no one's disputing that anyway. That's that's what I

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Speaker 1: just I just offer that up because Coach Marvin, you would,

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Speaker 1: you would. It wasn't a scene that I enjoyed seeing,

506
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Speaker 1: but it was one that impacted me a lot because

507
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Speaker 1: you didn't want to go anywhere near a man you

508
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: knew what he was thinking. There's a zillion in one

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00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: scenes like that. You know, Ralph brank Is serving up

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00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: the home run ball to Bobby Thompson and the shot

511
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: heard around the world crying you know, why, me why?

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Speaker 1: That's part of game, That's part of the definition of competition.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to our friend in Columbia, Maryland, Len, how

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Speaker 1: are we doing today? My friend Uran? As always with

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Speaker 1: Russ and PAULI, Hey, guys, how you doing? How you doing?

516
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Speaker 1: I hope you had a happy Thanksgiving? Lenny, Happy Thanksgiving

517
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Speaker 1: to you. I hope everything went well and I had

518
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Speaker 1: a good I had a good one, too good good.

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Speaker 1: Let me let me just say this, um, I saw

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Speaker 1: my first game in nineteen fifty two. Guys, my father

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Speaker 1: took me to see the Giants and the Eagles at

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Speaker 1: the Polo Grounds. God bless, I hate the Eagles. I

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Speaker 1: just want to tell you straight out this, No I

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Speaker 1: hate anymore than the Philadelphia Eagles. But let me let

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Speaker 1: me comment on a couple of things, and maybe I

526
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Speaker 1: can help some folks with my veteran approach to this thing.

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Speaker 1: Emlyntonnelle was simply spectacular. I saw Toll when Tannelle was

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Speaker 1: ready to feel the punt, people stood up when he

529
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: was ready to feel the kickoff. People stood up. Something

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Speaker 1: was going to happen. Interceptions, shocking things, unbelievable returns, both interceptions,

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Speaker 1: and the guy was just great. And that's why if

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Speaker 1: you go into the main gate at MetLife Stadium, right

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Speaker 1: there in the lobby and you look up, there's a

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00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: big picture of Lawrence Taylor, a big picture of em Lyntonnelle,

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Speaker 1: and a big picture of a guy named mel Hind

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Speaker 1: who will make the offensive line all time. I only

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Speaker 1: say that I did not see Hi was behind when

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00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: you before me. But my father always taught me. My

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00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: father always told me that the best player three best

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00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: players that you have us or with Taylor, Tannell and

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Speaker 1: a guy named mel Heind. And my father was never

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00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: wrong Russ. So I'm going with mel Hein. I'm going

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Speaker 1: with Melhi. He'll be with that offensive line he Len.

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Speaker 1: Before you go on, if you don't mind me asking

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Speaker 1: God bless you. Your first game was the nineteen fifty

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Speaker 1: two Dad took you may I ask how old you are?

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00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: I was in nineteen fifty two hours nine years old.

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Speaker 1: Way we used to go visit. We used to go

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Speaker 1: visit my grandmother in the Bronx. We went one Sunday

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Speaker 1: and my father said, you stay in the car. I said,

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00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: where are we going? He said, we're going to a

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00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: football game. I said to him, what's that? He said,

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Speaker 1: you'll see. I was. I was hooked. That's so cool, cooked,

554
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: so cool. You got into it, got into my blood,

555
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, with it. Nineteen fifty two. I had an

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Speaker 1: aunt who lived on the Grand Concourse. Listen to this,

557
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: La Paul. I had an aunt lean who lived on

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Speaker 1: a Grand Concourse. I never remember the address, of course,

559
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: the street from the park near a court house, seven

560
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Speaker 1: fifty Grand Concourse, and on Sundays we go visit her.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it was right near the stadium. You

562
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: could hear the cheers during the game. And I remember

563
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: saying to my father because you used to watch people

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Speaker 1: going wearing the fur coats and the record. You know

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Speaker 1: that's what it was. They looked like Ralph Brant and going.

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Speaker 1: You know those games right, great days, Yes, they were

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Speaker 1: great days. And listen, you know very surprised that straight

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Speaker 1: hand didn't make that final list of defensive lineman. You know,

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Speaker 1: best best pass rusher, combination pass rusher, uh run run block,

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Speaker 1: you know, run player. I have saw a two way

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00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: player best defensive two way player defensive end ever ever,

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Speaker 1: But he didn't make it. You know. They went with

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Speaker 1: Doug Atkins Chicago Bears ferocious defensive end at six ft

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Speaker 1: eight PAULI will remember him and a guy named Billy

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00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: you Er back in the thirties. I didn't see you

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00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: and obviously again, but he was a two way, a

577
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: two way player, and I think they went with you

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00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: it over straight hand simply because he was an unbelievable

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Speaker 1: pass catcher and just a terrific defensive end as well.

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Speaker 1: But Land, I'm gonna take exception to one guy. Land

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00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: before you go, hold on, hold on, Land, before you

582
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Speaker 1: go any further, just so the rest of our audience

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Speaker 1: knows the defensive ends they took, because I will take

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Speaker 1: exception to one of the guys on the list. I

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00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: can't argue like you said about Hitt because obviously way

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00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: before my time and the game was different, so it's

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00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: unfair to argue him. How did you whispell his name?

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00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: Is that? H U A R T E H E

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00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: W I T t ugh Okay? But but but Geno Marchetti,

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Speaker 1: I can't argue that I know enough about him, even

591
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Speaker 1: though I didn't see him play. I do know enough

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00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: about him. I cannot argue with him. But the modern

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00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: guys who I saw play, Deacon Jones certainly has to

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Speaker 1: be there. Okay, Bruce Smith, I've got no complaint about

595
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: Bruce Smith. Reggie White, no complaint about Reggie White. But

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00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: there's one other defense. The event that they took Lee

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00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: Roy Selman of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and I object

598
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: Michael Strahan over le Roy Selman hands down. Yeah, yeah, hey, hey,

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00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: very quickly, very quickly on huff you know, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty six when he started, one of the guys

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00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: they went with was a guy named Joe Schmidt. You

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00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: gotta check this out, a middle linebacker for the Detroit Lions.

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00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: And I think Schmidt got the spot because he was

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Speaker 1: the I think the very first one to really play

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Speaker 1: middle linebacker in the NFL. Remember, if you read your

606
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: history books, they used to play a five man front.

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00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: They had a guy called the middle guard. Yes, but

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00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: then they went to a traditional four three and it

609
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: was about fifty four fifty five. Schmidt with the Lions

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00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: a terrific football player. I'm not taking anything away from

611
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: Joe Schmidt, but I think he made it because he

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00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: was he was the first one he was he was

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Speaker 1: the first one that that that played that middle linebacker position.

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00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: But Russ, I remember that program with it was really good.

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Speaker 1: You remember that. Oh my goodness, yes, I think it

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00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: was She's I think it was like fifty nine, fifty

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Speaker 1: nine nine. It was n okay, nineteen sixty. You know,

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Speaker 1: the only two times in my life I was angry

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Speaker 1: with the Giants. Paul has heard me say this before.

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00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: The first time was when they traded Sam Huff in

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four. I said to myself, I'm never gonna

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Speaker 1: watch another game. And then secondly, and since the fella

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Speaker 1: talked about the Yale Bowl, they made me. They made

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Speaker 1: us go back to the Yale Bowl a second year. Paul.

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00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: You know, the first year was about three quarters of

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00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: a season. I remember, sure, sure about three quarters. But

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00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: when they when they said we're going back for that

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00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: second year, and they never got back for the third

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Speaker 1: year because I think everybody said, we're just not going

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00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: back to stadium and that one year. But but before

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Speaker 1: you go now, because I'm gonna, I'm gonna, we're gonna

632
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: have to send you away. We have other calls. But

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Speaker 1: the middle linebackers. Couldn't you know, I'm just really gotten

634
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Speaker 1: into this. All right. Now, let's stay there, stay there,

635
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: don't go, don't go, don't go. Hold on. Okay, okay, okay,

636
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: the middle linebackers again, for the rest of the audience.

637
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: Who they picked on the hundred team. They took Dick

638
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: bud Kiss. I cannot argue. Jack Lambert, cannot argue, Willy Lanier,

639
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: I cannot argue. I saw all of these guys, and

640
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: I agree with all of them. They took Ray Lewis.

641
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: I understand that one. Joe Schmidt was the old timer

642
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: that you talked about, and I've heard so many things

643
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: about him, it's hard to argue. But here's what bothered me.

644
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: They took Junior say Out. Now here's my problem. Okay,

645
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: the game became much more of a passing game, and

646
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: say I was more of a pass coverage linebacker. But

647
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: I will say this, I personally, myself, I would have

648
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: taken Harry Carson not only over say Out, but over

649
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: Sam Huff as well. Harry Carson made the made the

650
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl and was an All NFL Pro Bowl player

651
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: as not only a middle linebacker in the four three,

652
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: but then also did it as an inside linebacker in

653
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: the three four. And remember he was a converted defensive

654
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: tackle when he came out of college. Do not underestimate

655
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: the value and the incredible uh acumen and talent that

656
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: it took for Harry to be able to make those conversions.

657
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: That to me gives him bonus points. I would have

658
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: taken Harry Carson. Also. Also, you know, if you had

659
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: to pick an inside linebacker in the three four, you know,

660
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: and I think you know, they say how got there

661
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: because they had to pick some outside guys, Paul Well, no, no,

662
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: they're listing him specifically as a middle guy. The outside

663
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 1: guys they took Lawrence Taylor, Ted Hendrix, Jack Ham, Derrick Brooks,

664
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: Bobby Bell, and Chuck bed Nerrick. I can't argue with

665
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: any of those guys. No. Yeah, The only thing I

666
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: would say to you about Harry Listen, we love Harry

667
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: here obviously, but but Huff was to me was spectacular.

668
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: I mean he was he was, like you want to

669
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: know what he from my recollection, he was the first

670
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: defensive player that I remembered like, wow, I don't dispute

671
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: any of that, but Huff played on championship caliber teams.

672
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: His entire career with the Giants. Harry Carson played on

673
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: some real greg that. Okay, Harry played on some really

674
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 1: bad teams. Season in those games against him Brown that

675
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: that that get down to nine nine yards, I get it.

676
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: But he also had guys like that. He was a

677
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: great play But Harry did what he did on some

678
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: really bad teams. I'm going, Harry, I'm sorry, all right,

679
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: thank you, Hey, thanks go Giants beat the Eagles. Please,

680
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: all right, Lenny, thank you very much. To zero one

681
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: four or five one three is the number? A little

682
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: day to talk about history. Kind of fun. Let's go

683
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: to New Mexico and check in with Scott. Hello, Scott,

684
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: you're on with Russ and Paul. Hi, guys, how are

685
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: you helloing? Um, since we're going down memory lane. My

686
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 1: first game, I was actually watching the championship game in Chicago.

687
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: I got invited. I was twelve years old and I

688
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: saw Del Shofter drop the Giants to victory. What was that?

689
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry? Was that at Wrigley Field? Yeah? It was

690
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: an amazing game. And uh, the Giants had every opportunity

691
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: to win that game, and for some reason or another,

692
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: they just couldn't pull it. Off. But as del Shofter

693
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 1: was my idol at the time. You remember that team

694
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: was basically a pass oriented team and Tittle had trouble

695
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: thrown in the wind. The guy said, as you said,

696
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: Schoffner drops a touchdown pass. I see windy conditions. Tittle

697
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: gets whacked in the knee in that game and is

698
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: limping on one leg. He wasn't mobile anyway, and now

699
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: he's only on one leg and the Bears teeed off

700
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: on him. It was terrible. Yeah, also godless. Why why

701
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: he looked eighty five years old when he was thirty

702
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: five years old? He did? But it was an exciting

703
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: game to watch. Uh So that was my first experience

704
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: as a Giant. Where where do you? Where were you

705
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: sitting for two days after that? Where were you sitting

706
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: behind the end zone? Where dropped the pass? Or where

707
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: were he? I was right, there's actually right where he

708
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: had made a cut and he ran into he was

709
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: about three yards defender and had just the open player

710
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: and dropped it. That was that Wow, amazing stuff. I

711
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: just courage you picked my interest? Was Ray Nitchkey on

712
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: that list for then did not make the list? That's unbelievable,

713
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, I can't understand how he could not have

714
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: made that work. You know what, Scott that that's another

715
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: name that he had just thinking about it. I just

716
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: forgot about when I mentioned uh. For me personally, I'm

717
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: not saying the greatest of all time, but uh, sam

718
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: Hoff was the first huge, like mega defensive player. And

719
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: Nitsky was one of those other I mean that look

720
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: on with the Packers. I mean he was another one.

721
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: I mean the linebacker position. Wow, he was the best

722
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: I had seen at the position at the time. So

723
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: but my question today, I want to talk about positive

724
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: for the Giants that a lot of people probably won't

725
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: be talking about. I know, the Giants rank twenty nine

726
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: right now in team defense, but one of the statistics

727
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: that's kind of interesting is they've only given up per

728
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: Russia attempts three point nine yards. That's the sixth that's

729
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: the sixth best in the NFL in New England. San

730
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: francis going Buffalo, We're all going to make the playoffs,

731
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 1: so that part of the defense is doing very well.

732
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: The thing that is something that Carl Banks mentioned a

733
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago is he said that the secondary

734
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: is sort of disconnected, and the question I really have

735
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: is when the team goes into and we've heard the

736
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: comments from Quon Barkley in regards to they practice like

737
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: their attendant two team instead of a two intent team.

738
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: But what is the disconnect? Because, as you guys have

739
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: already alluded to, after twelve games, you're not a rookie

740
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: any longer. And even though the Giants play a lot

741
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: of rookies, they're not the youngest team in the NFL.

742
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: I think they rank eight teams so far as the

743
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: average age. So when you have defects in the secondary,

744
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: it's usually compilation of a lot of different problems. But

745
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: when they practice, since you guys know what's transpiring in

746
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: the practices, where is the disconnect? Why aren't the players

747
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: being able to adapt to whatever the coaches are telling

748
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: them so far as the secondary is concerned. And then

749
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: why are the mistakes so revealing in regards to a

750
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: repetition of the same issue. Well, Scott, first off, and

751
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: I'll let you know Paul answer. But you know, first off,

752
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: what we get to see in practice, what is it,

753
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: scot uh And And of that fifteen twenty minutes, we're

754
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: not seeing a whole lot of the inters. We're seeing

755
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: warm ups, we're seeing special teams and we're seeing individual

756
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: position drills. Now, if you just if you just ask

757
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: me Scott from my opinion, then I'll let you know.

758
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: Paul answer, Um, You've got you know, I mentioned it

759
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: going into this past week game. You got a bunch

760
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: of young guys. Let's say, now, it's Love, it's Baker,

761
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: it's Balantine, it's Beal and uh, couple that with all

762
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: those young guys back that, couple that with they still

763
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: need the guys. The run stopping is okay, it's been yeah, no, no.

764
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying, you need, you need. That's that's

765
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: the next part of the building of that line is

766
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,959
Speaker 1: to get the edge rusher or ed rushers in there.

767
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: But but but I'm not just talking about sacks. No, no,

768
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about sacks. I'm talking about pressure coming

769
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: from that side. I'm not talking about I'm gonna answer

770
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: your question in two ways. First of all, there's no

771
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: question about your comment. The Giants rush defense specifically because

772
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: of their defensive line, more than any other position on

773
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: the field, the defensive line has been stout against the run.

774
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: And I think that, to be honest with you, Leonard

775
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: Williams has really enhanced that in the last month. I

776
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 1: like this kid a lot. I think he's a good player.

777
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: I hope the Giants resigned him. He is very, very

778
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: stout against the run. So let me just throw that

779
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: to you as a comment off of your first comment. Now,

780
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you an example of what you're asking

781
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: about with the disconnect. I can't tell you why it's happening,

782
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: but it's an example. And and why it's so puzzling

783
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: is because you're not going to get a player or

784
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: a coach throw somebody under the bus and sell out

785
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: because if you have that, then you've got a lot

786
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: of cancer in your locker room. And the Giants don't

787
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: want that. This year, they've done a good job of

788
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: cleaning that out. But here's an example, okay, Adams. Davante

789
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: Adams are the Packers. He caught a touchdown the other day.

790
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: It was a uh An eight yard touchdown pass. It

791
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: was second and goal, okay, because I marked this down

792
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: to my notes off the game. It was a second

793
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: and goal from the Giants eight, and Davante Adams runs

794
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: his route and he sits down right in the middle

795
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 1: of the field at the goal line. Okay, I don't

796
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: know if you remember the player. Okay, yeah, Now, now

797
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: here's the problem. Coming off the line of scrimmage, all right,

798
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: there was a player from the offenses right who ran

799
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: a crossing route to the left, and Alec Ogletree stuck

800
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: with that guy man to man. David Mayo, who was

801
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: to the right of Ogletree, had an opportunity to defend Adams,

802
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: but as Adams came into the center of the field

803
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: and then sat down, Mayo passed him off as if

804
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: he was playing zone. That because the receiver coming from

805
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: the other side of the field ran the crossing route

806
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: and Ogletree was playing man on him. What you then

807
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: had was a receiver running to the right side of

808
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: the Giants defense, now being guarded by two linebackers, and

809
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: Davante Adams sitting all alone between the hash marks at

810
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: the goal line with nobody home. It says to me

811
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: one linebacker was playing man, the other linebacker was playing zone.

812
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: That's a very bad mix. Now, so the question is

813
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: did somebody not get the call? Did somebody not understand

814
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: the call? I don't know the answer to that, And

815
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: the only way you're going to know is if you

816
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: were in the huddle, or if one of those players

817
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: sells out the other guy and says, oh, he was

818
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: supposed to play this and he didn't do it. But again,

819
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: that's the last thing you want if you're an organization

820
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: is for guys to be pointing fingers at each other.

821
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: But there's a typical play of how badly crossed up

822
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: the Giants defense Scott. And oh, by the way, if

823
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: there was going to be any help on the play,

824
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: Antoine Buffet was playing too deep and he had no

825
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: opportunity to come up and cover atoms and so touchdown Packers.

826
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: It turns out to be a horrible play. But that's

827
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: the kind of disconnect you're talking about as always, Scott,

828
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: thanks for the call, buddy, all right, thank you, thank you,

829
00:48:54,719 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: all right about this? Here we go, Mr Illness, he

830
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: wasn't right enough jokes. I am happy. It's conven only

831
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: one thing. It is a buddy from Portland, Maine. Charlate, Charlate, Charlie,

832
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: you're on with rust of my happy. Thanks Kevin happy,

833
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: Thanks Kevin, buddy. How was the lobsters for Thanksgiving? They

834
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: were excellent lobsters, Lan Queen. It's the perfect good I

835
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 1: just can't believe you stooped to smoke level playing that music.

836
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: It's an Charlie, no, no, no, no, no, anyway, don't

837
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: do it. When lances around, he'll kill you. Rust. Hey, um,

838
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: just going back in the past. You guys are reminiscing.

839
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: I remember Red Grange and Jim Thorpe. Yeah, yea, I'll

840
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: tell you why. You sound pretty spry for a guy

841
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: who could remember them. God. Hey, the thing is rest

842
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: You were saying, like the secondary is young, but it

843
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: isn't just them taking the mistakes that I agree with, Charlie.

844
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: Couldn't you know it was just them then you could say, okay,

845
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: but it's got did some miscommunication or either that your

846
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: scheme is too complicated because nobody knows what they're doing.

847
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: One is doing zone one playing man one is doing

848
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: the reverse man the reverse zone. They don't know. They're

849
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: never on the same page, so they don't know what's

850
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: going on that. It's got to be coaching. It's gotta

851
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: be partly coaching. Well, Charlie, let's put it this way.

852
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: Like the play that I just described, there are many

853
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: possibilities why that gets messed up. Was it communicated in

854
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: properly was it then called correctly in the huddle? Did

855
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: the players all understand it? Did they all hear it correctly? Wasn't? Maybe?

856
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: As you said, was the scheme too complicated? Were they

857
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: supposed to see something at the line and then make

858
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: an adjustment off of it? There are many reasons why

859
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: that could have broken down. The problem is it can't

860
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: break down if you're going to be a winning football team. Yeah, well,

861
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: I guess we know that isn't happening this year, but hey,

862
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 1: we got four games left. I would love to see

863
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: Eli Manning play those last four games. And uh, you know,

864
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: maybe Daniel Jones ankle is worse than we think, but

865
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: I'd love to see Eli at least get in. It

866
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: ain't gonna happen, Charlie, unless goff a bid. And I

867
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: say goff a bid because I never want anybody to

868
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: get hurt unless he already got hurt. But I'm just saying,

869
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: if it ain't gonna happen, Charlie, I know you got

870
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: Eli ITAs, we love Eli, but it's not gonna happen. Hey,

871
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: but you gotta look at this. You know, what did

872
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: the Bengals in Miami do? They played rookies and they lost,

873
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: and they lost, and they lost. You know what, they

874
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: said enough and they put their veterans back in and

875
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: guess what they won. Bengals finally won a game in

876
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: Miami's won three because if Fitzpatrick and because of Dalton,

877
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: and we should be doing the exact same thing I think,

878
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: and win some games. That's what this franchise. You know

879
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: what I think they ought to like bypass Eli, Charlie

880
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: and call up Phil Sims and see if he'll suit

881
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: up and we'll get him in the lineup. All right, Yeah,

882
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 1: I know you want Eli, all right, Charlie, God bless.

883
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Ela, what would be the perfect

884
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: Christmas present for Charlie. There are times where Charlie just

885
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: leaves me speechless. That's all I can say. No, but

886
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: but you gotta get him in either an Eli jersey

887
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: or Eli pajamas or Eli Eli picture something interesting. Let

888
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: it talk today about the history um of the National

889
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: Football League with these hundred top Yeah. Well, Charlie Harding

890
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: tweets us not talking giants, but just saying with Nichky Nobis,

891
00:52:54,040 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: Tommy Nobis, don't singletary another guy or Lacker, Sorry, he

892
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: doesn't qualify in this list as far as I'm concerned,

893
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: and Chuck Howley saying, uh, you know, those guys all outstanding.

894
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: Hard to choose between them. I don't put her Lacquer

895
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: in that class. He was a glorified strong safety to me,

896
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: and I think he was very much overrated. But having

897
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: said that, certainly all the other guys were quality, very

898
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 1: high quality. He leaked of thee Oh, I gotta go

899
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: look it up. Uh, we did have one other tweet.

900
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: I did want to mention here, and I thought this

901
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: was very interesting. Uh where is it here? He goes, um, oh,

902
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: I want to get back to this guy. Well, let

903
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: me see one second. We got a few lines up,

904
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: and well Paul is looking folks to zero one, four

905
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: or five one three. Got six minutes left in the show,

906
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: so if you want to give us a quick call,

907
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: please feel free to do so. Also want to remind

908
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: everybody if you subscribe to the Giants Audio podcast, you

909
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: gotta make note that Big Blue Kickoff Live now has

910
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: its own dedicated podcast, so you can subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

911
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: Google Play, or your favorite podcast platform. Again, Big Blue

912
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: Kickoff Live is no longer available in the Giants Audio Podcast,

913
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: so please subscribe to the Big Blue Kickoff Live podcast.

914
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: You can still watch or listen to the show on

915
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: Giants dot Com, which is us uh just wear Big

916
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live is of course on the Giants app.

917
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: All right, I found the two tweets I wanted to

918
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: read to you. Russ uh Barbecue East with Barbecue Beast.

919
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: I'm sorry is his name? And he says. All I

920
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: can say is I will be at the Eagles game

921
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: on December twenty nine, and I'm going to give Eli

922
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: Manning a standing ovation that he deserves. I hope the

923
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: Giants do something in halftime. It's a must another Eagle

924
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: Eli Manning fan. And I look and and to be

925
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: perfectly honest, um, I understand that because you know, if

926
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: you're if you're an Eli guy, uh, it's it's gonna

927
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: be sad to see him leave. You don't even have

928
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: to be any like I mean when I say, and

929
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: he like just a football guy, yeah, I mean not

930
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: even just a giant guy. If you are a football fan, um,

931
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: and I really mean this. If you are a football fan,

932
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: I'll even take one step further. If you are a

933
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: sports fan, you enjoy sports. There is no better example

934
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: of how a guy should conduct conduct himself, how we

935
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: should act, and how we should perform better than Eli.

936
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: He has been the entire package from the day he

937
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: arrived the day he's gonna leave, the entire package, you know,

938
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: throw into super Bowl rings, two super Bowl m vps.

939
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's been quite a stellar career, but

940
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: he really has been the perfect gentleman. Uh in every way,

941
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: shape or form. There is nothing negative. There's nothing negative

942
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,959
Speaker 1: to stay about Eli Manning. But as I was saying

943
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: to Charlie, um, it ain't gonna happen unless GoF a

944
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: bid Daniel gets hurt to the point where we can't play.

945
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: And I say GoF a bid because I never want

946
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 1: to listen. We've had enough damn injuries from a giant's

947
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: perspective to fill up five seasons this year, Russ. I

948
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: will say one thing, and that is you and I

949
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: have both been around a long time and been around

950
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: a lot of teams, a lot of locker rooms, a

951
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: lot of superstars. I will say this, if this is

952
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: the last time that Eli Manning suits up in a

953
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: in a football jersey, and we'll talk about this. I'm

954
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: sure the week of that finale against the Eagles. But

955
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to get this out there right now, and

956
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,439
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to say it. Okay, if in fact

957
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: it is the last time Elim Manning suits up, I'm

958
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: glad for him that it is a home game because

959
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: I would like to see him get a standing ovation

960
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: from that crowd as he walks off that field. Too

961
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: many times, I remember Phil Simpson Lawrence Taylor. They finished

962
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: their careers in a playoff loss in San Francisco and

963
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: walked off the field for what turned out to be

964
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: the last time. I really love like when Eric Jeter

965
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: remember his last game, he got that basic to win

966
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 1: the game and the whole stadium erupted. That's the way

967
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: that legends should be allowed to cap their careers. But

968
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: it doesn't always happen that way, you know. That's that's

969
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: everything else. But I do at least like them to

970
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: be able to absorb the home crowds appreciation, much like

971
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor, much like Phil Simms. It doesn't work out that,

972
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,439
Speaker 1: but Eli is going to have his moment. Oh, there's

973
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: no question. The number and everything else. One more Guy

974
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: Mark in Chicago, one of our all time favorites, who

975
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: also has been watching the Giants a long time. He

976
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: wants to chime in, Yeah, Muck calls us alive. He does.

977
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: He says, first Giants in person game October at the Stadium,

978
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: Jim Brown attempts for a hundred and seventy seven yards.

979
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: Who who do you say? Oh? No, you know what?

980
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: Because because it was from Chicago, I had the Bears

981
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: on my so right away he's in Chicago now. But

982
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: for Giants Brown's game, he also was one for one

983
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: passing for thirty nine yards, had three catches for eighteen

984
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: and a touchdown. Mark. I don't know if your memories

985
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: that good or you looked it up. I'm not sure.

986
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: But having said that, the point is, and he says

987
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: he was a man playing against boys. Well, that was

988
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five, and if you know anything about Giants history,

989
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five was in the middle of the Dark Ages,

990
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: when they are guys had gotten too old. They had

991
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: they had either become just so broken down or they

992
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: had started to to to whittle away off the roster,

993
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: had been traded away, etcetera, etcetera. And that was a

994
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: very very bad time in Giants history. They were not

995
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: of the ilk to stop Jim Brown as they had

996
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: in the previous years before when Sam Hoff, as Jim

997
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: used to say, would attach himself to Brown's legs. Well, uh, listen, uh,

998
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: those were some glory years back in the day. I mean,

999
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's good that we have some of

1000
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,919
Speaker 1: the people like Lenn, like Bob, you know, people who

1001
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: oh I love talking back in the day to be

1002
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: able to talk about it was. It was a lot

1003
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: of fun. You said, you heard the crowds at Yankee

1004
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: sh Listen to me. Did you ever get into a

1005
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: game at the old stadium? Yeah? But but but I'm

1006
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: talking about when I was a kid, you know, to

1007
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: go um like maybe I was, I don't know, six

1008
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: seven years old. I'm going to visit my aunt. I'm

1009
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: hearing the roar the crowd, and I look at my

1010
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: father and say, what's that? You know? That was but

1011
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: that was back in the day of folks where people

1012
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: used to keep the little flask in the inside to

1013
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: keep them warm. But they had the big fur coats

1014
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: on the hats, the bula boola all that stuff. Different

1015
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: time times have changed, but those those were fun times.

1016
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: Look at that. Yeah, Okay, now, folks, I'm gonna leave

1017
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: you with this back on December one. Just the other day,

1018
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: I retweeted a tweet from the Old Time Ball Baseball

1019
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: Photos Twitter account. This gentleman, his name is Don Stokes.

1020
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: He is a colorist. What he does is he takes

1021
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: old time baseball photos from yesteryear that are in black

1022
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: and white and he computerized retouches them in color to

1023
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: bring them to life, to give them a new kind

1024
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: of pizzazz, so that it looks like something you would

1025
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: see today. He went and took a photo, the Neil

1026
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: Leafer photo of the Giants sideline at Yankee Stadium with

1027
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: the facade in the background from the nine December game

1028
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: against the Browns. Okay, we all know that's the game

1029
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: when Pat some were all kicked the field goal in

1030
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: the snow. This iconic photo has been seen in black

1031
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: and white literally billions of times over the years, but

1032
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: this gentleman, Don Stokes, colorized it, brought it to life.

1033
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: It gave me chills when I saw it. I retweeted

1034
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: it on December one, Len Charlie UH coach Marvin Mark

1035
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: in Chicago, all of our old time fans, I invite

1036
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: you to go to my timeline and look at that photo.

1037
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: If you don't get chills, something's wrong with you. Because

1038
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: it's awesome. I absolutely love it. You think Paul's a

1039
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: little excited, folks, Hey, I need something to get pumped

1040
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: about it just a little bit. Anyway, I want to

1041
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: thank everybody for being part of our big blue kickoff

1042
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: live here, brought to you by course light. First and foremost,

1043
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: let's thank the man who has taking care of us

1044
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: today at the controls, Brian Confort, to my buddy here,

1045
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: Paul Latino, Amro Salzburg. And most of all, as Paul

1046
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: said to you, the fans out there, because without you people,

1047
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: we have nobody here to be talking to. So until

1048
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: next time, which for me is tomorrow, we'll see you

1049
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 1: then