1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back on. Normally, the show with 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: It takes for when the news gets weird. I am 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: Mary catherin him. 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: And I'm Carol Marcolitz. How are you doing, Mary? 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 3: I'm all right. 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 4: It's it's been quite a news cycle, weird as they come, sad, 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 4: hard to spend a lot of time in. And I 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 4: spent quite a bit of time yesterday, both on TV 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 4: and at home, watching the Charlie Kirk memorial service, which 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 4: took place in a giant. 11 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: Stadium in Arizona. 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 4: Hundreds of thousands of people there, many that had to 13 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 4: go to overflow because they could not get into the 14 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 4: actual arena, and just scores of speakers and beautiful tributes 15 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 4: and videos. And by the way, just as a you've 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 4: been a political operative in the past and someone who 17 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 4: has to put events together, a massive, incredible and nearly 18 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 4: flaw as far as I could tell, logistical event on 19 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 4: weeks notice while they were grieving their boss and friend. 20 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: It's amazing. TPUSA deserves so much praise for it, and 21 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 2: just the event itself was really wonderful. I look, I'm Jewish. 22 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: I loved the Christian themes all the way through. I 23 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 2: thought that I loved that, just just a general talking 24 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: about God so openly and talking about faith so openly 25 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: if you just don't get that very often and in 26 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: a public setting, and this is what Charlie was all about. 27 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: I always, you know, after he passed, I tweeted that 28 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 2: one of my favorite things about him was his open faith. 29 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 2: When you would talk to him, it would be in 30 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: everything that he did, and said, I love that they 31 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: honored that for the most part. We'll get into the 32 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: rest of that. 33 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, you know, I talked to somebody. I 34 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 4: can't remember if I mentioned it here, but I talked 35 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 4: to someone last week who was about my age, maybe older, 36 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 4: has teen or college age kids, and he said, you know, 37 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 4: I thought of Charlie as a political animal, which was 38 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 4: basically my impression of him. Although a fellow Christian, I 39 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 4: knew that, but my kids thought of him. 40 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: As a faith leader. 41 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 4: And I'm just saying, yeah, And I think that was 42 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 4: a shift he had very noticeably made. Again, I wasn't 43 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 4: the demo for all of his content, so I wasn't 44 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 4: always looking at it as much, and I somewhat regret 45 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 4: it now because I think I would have appreciated him 46 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 4: more while he was here. But yeah, I think there 47 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 4: was a shift in what he was doing, and you 48 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 4: saw that reflected in the celebration of his life, which 49 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 4: was a celebration of his faith and the fact that 50 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 4: his influence on people was in large part to make 51 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 4: them think about their own faith, to think about their 52 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 4: own purpose in this life, and to seek the Bible 53 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 4: and truth and Jesus, and that that would have been 54 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 4: the thing that made him most happy. And so I 55 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 4: think that very clearly reflected who he was, and there 56 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 4: were various parts that were beautiful and the I did 57 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 4: note and again the jibes with him being a faith 58 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 4: leader that five, six, seven, ten of the people I 59 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 4: watched speak just told the story of the Gospel. I 60 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 4: think Marco Rubio gave a ninety second explication of the 61 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 4: Gospel that was downright perfect and very passionate. You could 62 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 4: tell that Rubio really believes this. We really picked a winner, 63 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 4: and that guy back in the day, I love that guy. 64 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: I love that guy. 65 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 4: Various preachers who said the same thing avoided the thing 66 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 4: often that people do, which is to deify the person 67 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 4: who died instead of God, who you're actually talking about. 68 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 4: So I thought so much of that was beautiful. I 69 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 4: was on TV with Fox and trying not to listen 70 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 4: to the music too much because I knew I would 71 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 4: cry right if I got too involved in it. 72 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: One of the things that I had heard in the 73 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: last few days was Dana lash tweeted to all of 74 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: the pastors who are not seizing what is a massive 75 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 2: revival and expanding on this in your churches. Why why 76 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: are you scared to talk about this? Why are you 77 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: not standing in the gap? This is the moment. I 78 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 2: think people really need to look at their churches. And 79 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 2: I'll tell you Dana tweeted that she left her church, 80 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: and I said, you know, I'm so sorry because the 81 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: Jewish experience is such that I have left many synagogues 82 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 2: in my life over stupid politics. And I think that 83 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 2: churches should seize this opportunity. It is a moment where 84 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: people are turning to their faith, and I think this 85 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: is such a great time for churches to grow their memberships, 86 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: to expand what people think about God. I think it's 87 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: a really, really important moment. And Charlie would have loved that. 88 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's so much there's, of course, in fighting, as 89 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 4: there is any religion within Christianity, and Catholics versus Protestants, 90 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 4: but about how you live in a secular world as 91 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,679 Speaker 4: a person of faith, and we all have different ways 92 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 4: of tackling it. And I grew up in a very 93 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 4: liberal place where I probably took on too much of 94 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 4: a light touch, like, oh, well, I don't want to 95 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 4: be too pushy, I don't want to be to this 96 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 4: or to that. And Charlie didn't really worry about that, 97 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 4: Like Charlie was just like, this is what I believe. 98 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: Now. 99 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 4: I'm a person who has spoken about my faith in 100 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 4: public life, but it was specifically because I went through 101 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 4: tragedy in public life. I'm not sure I would have 102 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 4: talked about it as much had it not been necessary 103 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 4: for me in that moment. And I've certainly taken from 104 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 4: Charlie that I should just be more bold about it. Bold, 105 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 4: I think is the word for it. And I think 106 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 4: a lot of people are looking for churches that are 107 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 4: bold and serious, not churches. 108 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: That are like, oh yeah, a little bit, just one second, 109 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: same a percynagogue'es same same, yes, yeah. 110 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 4: So at the end of this day, not quite the end, 111 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 4: because the president spoke after her, But Charlie Kirk's widow 112 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 4: Erica kirkk spoke and I want to give my strongest 113 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 4: recommendation that you sit down and watch the whole thing. 114 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 2: It is. 115 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: I think it was about thirty minutes long, probably from 116 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: beginning to end. 117 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 4: She is stunningly poised and strong, I would say from 118 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 4: someone who has been through something similar, although with fewer 119 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 4: eyes on me than she has. That is her faith 120 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 4: that is allowing her to do that. It is that 121 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 4: in and of. 122 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: Itself, is a testimony. 123 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 4: She spoke to Robert Draper of The New York Times and, uh, 124 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 4: you know, everybody talks about Charlie faith, but her testimony 125 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 4: that this terrible thing happened to me and I don't 126 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 4: understand why, but God understands why, and I'm trusting him. 127 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is some very powerful stuff. 128 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 4: And I don't think I'm prone to this type of 129 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 4: exaggeration or anything like that. So I was like gauging 130 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 4: my reaction to this speech. I think that that speech 131 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 4: belongs in American oratory. 132 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: Absolutely mystery. 133 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: She was mesmerizing. She really was. 134 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 4: To match a moment in that way perfectly and to 135 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 4: be so moving, I mean, you know's what's the last 136 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 4: speech that we talked about being part of the annals 137 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 4: of oratorical history in this country, probably like Barack Obama 138 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 4: bursts onto the scene at that DNC with red America, 139 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 4: Blue America. 140 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: Look, he's a good speech giver. Nope, eh, no doubt. 141 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: No, No, I never found him to be that great. 142 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: I can't remember anything he said. Name something he said 143 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: other than like, if you like your doctor, you can 144 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: keep your doctor. 145 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: That what I can name, Yeah, but what else? You know? 146 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: It worth thin? 147 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 4: Certainly like Okay, I'll give you that speech and say 148 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 4: like it was impressive in the room. But I would 149 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 4: wager that there's it's so shallow compared to what she 150 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 4: was doing. It's it And that's partly just because it's politics, 151 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 4: and it is it is less than talking about this 152 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 4: about mortality and faith and life and death. But I 153 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 4: think that one deserves a spot in the in the 154 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 4: history of American speeches in oratory for sure. 155 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 156 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 2: And I mean she brought the house down when she 157 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 2: said she forgives Charlie's killer, which was it was like 158 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 2: a gut punch. I felt it so deeply when she 159 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: said that, how hard that must have been for her, 160 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: How hard it must be to say those words. And 161 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 2: how hard it must be to have that feeling. And I, 162 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just it's beyond my imagination. 163 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 4: Well, and she said right before or that the kind 164 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 4: and I have wondered if she was going there. She said, 165 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 4: the kind of young man that Charlie wanted to save 166 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 4: from this purposeless life, from anger, from feeling like there's 167 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 4: no path for you. That's exactly the kind of person 168 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 4: he was speaking to, right kind that took his life. 169 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: And then she went on to forgive him. 170 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 4: And let's play that clip and we're gonna let it 171 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 4: breathe because it's like two minutes of her in standing 172 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 4: ovation and it is powerful. 173 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 5: On the Cross, our Savior said, Father, forgive them, for 174 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 5: they not know what they do. 175 00:09:46,679 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 3: That man, that young man, I forgive him. 176 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 5: I forgive him because it was what Christ did. 177 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 3: And is what Charlie would do. 178 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 5: The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we 179 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 5: know from the Gospel is love and always love, love 180 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 5: for our enemies, and love for those who persecute us. 181 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 5: The world needs turning Point USA. 182 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: It needs a. 183 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 5: Group that will point young people away from the path 184 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 5: of misery and sin. 185 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: Wow, it's just breathtaking. The fact that she's taking over TPUSA, like, 186 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: I think they're in such good hands. 187 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 4: Well and she I thought she had so many interesting 188 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 4: messages and good, good messages for people who are looking 189 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 4: to have a good relationship or a good marriage. And 190 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 4: in the ways that she and Charlie tried to serve 191 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 4: each other, and you know, an admonition to Christian husbands 192 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 4: where she said, you know, it was a little bit 193 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 4: of a manosphere talk where she said, she's your wife, 194 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 4: is not your slaves, She's not your maid. You know, 195 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 4: this woman is very capable. Yeah, and she is. I 196 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 4: think the left might be end up being a little 197 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 4: dismayed that she she is not the handmaid that they. 198 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: Hope all of us are right right, Yeah, but wow, 199 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: I did so impressive. 200 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 4: And despite the fact that Donald Trump spoke after her, 201 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 4: really the headline of the whole event. You know, it's 202 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 4: hard to outdo Trump, especially if he ends the night, 203 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 4: if he's the final card. But she really nailed it. 204 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 4: My kids watched with me, and I was unsure, like, 205 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 4: is that going to be too much? I let them 206 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 4: watch with me, and one of my kids just kept saying, preach. 207 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: You know which one. 208 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: I feel like, I know which one and then one of. 209 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 4: Them goes, Wow, she's awesome, and I was like, yeah, yeah, 210 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 4: she is, And I'm glad. 211 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: You get to watch her in this moment. 212 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 4: And for me, obviously it's a little bit of like 213 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 4: communicating my story to them without getting into row, you know, 214 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 4: getting too close to it that. 215 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: By the way, last week. 216 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 4: Was the tenth anniversary of my husband his his passing, 217 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 4: So it's been odd to watch her do this, but 218 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 4: empowering to watch her do it and to be very 219 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 4: sure that she's very sure that God has things under control. 220 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 2: You were my hero before that, but just watching you 221 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: after it really showed you in a beautiful new light. 222 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: And I think you've been amazing just the way you 223 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 2: have the way you've handled it with your kids, the 224 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: way you've handled it in public. You do have a 225 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: lot of eyes on you, and I think it's harder 226 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 2: than most people must realize. 227 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 5: Oh. 228 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 4: I do want to thank you so much, and I 229 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 4: also want to throw in thank you to Usha Vance, 230 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 4: who had great advice for Erica Kirk where she said, 231 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 4: this is like the last fifteen minutes of a flight 232 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 4: with your kids, where you have no idea how you're 233 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 4: going to get through it. And everybody's losing it, but 234 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 4: you're going to get through this fifteen minutes and then 235 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 4: you're going to get through the next fifteen minutes. And 236 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 4: when you said that about me, it reminded me of 237 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 4: those days, those early days, And that is such good 238 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 4: advice for anyone going through a crisis, that yes, you 239 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 4: don't know how you're going to get through the giant thing, 240 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 4: but you will get through the next fifteen minutes. 241 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: And I loved how she put that. 242 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Busha has been incredible. I thought j D's speech 243 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 2: was amazing. I thought Don Junior's speech was excellent. I 244 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: thought President Trump's speech was very, very, very good. Just 245 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: all around. I thought it was great. 246 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 4: Can I say they're ragging on Trump a little bit 247 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 4: and I get it because she said I forgive my enemies. 248 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: And he's like, definitely, I definitely don't. 249 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: But that's what you know, I don't want to be 250 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: like That's what I thought, also, like I don't. I 251 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: don't forgive my enemies. 252 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 4: But okay, well, so what she was doing was like 253 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 4: super right, right, right, Oh, she's right. 254 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: You know, we all go, Oh, I wish I could 255 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: do that. I want to be that. Yeah, it's very hard. 256 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 4: He At first, I was like, look, Trump's going to 257 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 4: be Trump, right, So I knew that his speech was 258 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 4: not going to be Erica's speech. However, the part or 259 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 4: he says, I don't believe that about my enemies Charlie 260 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 4: would have. First of all, he's complimenting Charlie, which is 261 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 4: what you should do. Yeah, he's saying Charlie's a better 262 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 4: man than I, which is the thing you should do 263 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 4: at a memorial. He's complimenting Erica. He's being self deprecating 264 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 4: and saying I'm not this person. And he also says, 265 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 4: notably at the end, he says, but Erica, you can 266 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 4: keep trying right to make me that person, which, actually, yeah, 267 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 4: I saw somebody I think it was a bulwark person 268 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,239 Speaker 4: tweeted today these two things can't coexist, and I'm like, actually. 269 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: They need to be literally coexists. 270 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 4: They co exist, and Erica talking to Trump is probably 271 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 4: the closest. 272 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: You get to turning that corner. 273 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 4: Absolutely, that's what our movement is, in some sense, what 274 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 4: any movement is. 275 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the one miss of last night was obviously 276 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson. Look, I used to be a big Tucker fan, 277 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: both both personally and professionally back when he was a conservative, 278 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: whatever he is now, that's not a conservative. And I 279 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: think he's become really a leftist in so many ways. 280 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: I mean, look, his top issue is anti Israel, but 281 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 2: what's his second issue? Like, there isn't one. Yeah, it's 282 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: just grievance all the way down. I don't even want 283 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: to give him kind of the attention that he so 284 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 2: badly craves with this, But we're going to play the 285 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 2: clip just so you could hear the maniacal laughter at 286 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: the end and understand what the what kind of insanity 287 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: this man is fallen under. 288 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 6: Ultimately, he was a Christian evangelist, and it actually reminds 289 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 6: me of my favorite story ever. So it's about two 290 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 6: thousand years ago in Jerusalem and Jesus shows up and 291 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 6: he starts talking about the people in power, and he 292 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 6: starts doing the worst thing that you can do, which 293 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 6: is telling the truth about people. And they hate it, 294 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 6: and they just go bonkers. They hate it, and they 295 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 6: become obsessed with making him stop. This guy's got to 296 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 6: stop talking. We've got to shut this guy up. And 297 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 6: I can just sort of picture the scene in a 298 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 6: lamp lit room with a bunch of guys sitting around 299 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 6: eating hummus, thinking about what do we do about this 300 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 6: guy telling the truth about us. We must make him 301 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 6: stop talking. And there's always one guy with the bright idea, 302 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 6: and I can just hear him say I've got an idea. 303 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: Why don't we just kill him? 304 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 6: That'll shut him up, that'll fix the problem. It doesn't 305 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 6: work that way. 306 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: That's weird. 307 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, And like, look, some people will be like, I 308 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 4: don't know, I didn't this is a dog whistle. 309 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: That I don't hear. 310 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: And look, I get that. 311 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: I'm looking to be fair to people. 312 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, hummus eating Jerusalem residents sunds fairly noticeable to me. 313 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 4: And he's been going down this path. And there is 314 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 4: an open fight over Kirk's legacy, which is a proxy 315 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 4: for the conservative movement on the issue of Israel and 316 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 4: anti Semitism. In Candice Owens notably, I also do not 317 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 4: want to give attention to is trying to hijack Charlie's 318 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 4: story and say that he was coming to different conclusions 319 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 4: and it made him dangerous. And that is something that 320 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 4: Tucker is implying here, right. 321 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 2: Right, He's not just implying that he's implying that it 322 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: might have been Jews who killed him too. Look, look, 323 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: I'm also you know, I hate the whole dog whistle thing, 324 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 2: but the Nazis are real happy online today I came 325 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: across a whole nest of them on Instagram, where like 326 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 2: Tucker said it, he said it, he said it out loud. 327 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 2: He knew what he was doing. He's not sandis Al, 328 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 2: He's not. Oh, he's real smart. He's a smart guy 329 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 2: who knows exactly what he's saying. Look from the doerst perspective, 330 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: at least he admits that it was Jews in Jerusalem. 331 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: You know, the line now is the Jews have never 332 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 2: been in Jerusalem. This is all you know. We just 333 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: got there. So yeah, look, you know, I don't want 334 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 2: to give too much attention, but yeah. 335 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 4: Well I was gonna say to me that the laugh 336 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 4: is to tell because he's saying, look, I'm doing this 337 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 4: kind of like edgy thing, and he cracks up at 338 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 4: the end. 339 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: You don't You don't crack up about Jesus being killed. 340 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 4: No, you don't, right, But in this context, he realizes 341 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 4: he's saying something that's like he am I going to 342 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 4: get away with it, and that to me was the 343 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 4: moment that you go, oh, okay, I see what's going on. 344 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 4: And look, he said many other sensible things in his eulogy, 345 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 4: but like, this is someone's. 346 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: Because he's a smart guy who's not going to just 347 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 2: give you a Jew hating speech at Charlie Kirk's memorial. 348 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: He knows exactly what to do. So it's unfortunate. I'm 349 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 2: sad that he's gone down this path. I used to 350 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 2: really like him, and you know, well, now I just 351 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 2: see him for what he. 352 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 4: Is well, And it's tough because you watch somebody who 353 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 4: I used to like as well in respect in many ways. 354 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 4: And once you guys, you see figures who once they 355 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 4: latch on too anti Semitism as their sort of raisondetra. 356 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 4: It is in everything, and you can find it in everything, 357 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 4: and there's you know, of course, a nest of online 358 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 4: Nazis who will tell you that you're right about whatever, 359 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 4: whatever theory you want to bring to the table. And 360 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 4: it is it's hard to watch. 361 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough, it really is, and you know, it's civilizationally, 362 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 2: it goes the same way I aciety. If a society 363 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: grabs onto anti Semitism, that society collapses. It's just part 364 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 2: of a package of decline. And I hope that conservatives 365 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 2: don't follow Tucker down this path. I have to say, 366 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 2: so far, they're not. Even with his massive audience. Conservatives 367 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: remain barely saying on Jews, barely saying on Israel. Could 368 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: it all change? Of course it could, and obviously conservative 369 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 2: Jews like me are worried about his influence. But for 370 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: now he is a periphery. He is the fringe. 371 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, and I think the rest of that service, 372 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 4: because there were many words said, reflects the fact that 373 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 4: this is such a small part of it. 374 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: Nonetheless disappointing to see in that. Absolutely. 375 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 4: I know we're taking up your time with this podcast. 376 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 4: Takes some of your time, and watch the entire Erica kirkspeech. 377 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 4: I think you will see a generational force in our 378 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 4: not just politics, but in our culture emerging on that stage. 379 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more on Normally. Welcome back 380 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 2: to Normally. Where the left is taking the Charlie Kirk 381 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 2: assassination in a totally new direction, which is obviously very bizarre. 382 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: They've become free speech absolutists with the Jimmy Kimmel firing, 383 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 2: but beyond that. For example, yesterday Destiny, the omni liberal 384 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: who was once considered the sane liberal that conservatives should 385 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 2: be having debates with, said this Charlie memorial is indistinguishable 386 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 2: from a Nazi rally, and fuck anyone who wants to 387 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 2: pretend it's not. And Eric Ericksson retweeted that and said, 388 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 2: the rally in which a widow forgave her husband's assassin. 389 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 2: They really, in so many ways have lost the plot 390 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: with this. What's been going on with the Jimmy Kimmel firing, 391 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 2: It's bananas to me. He lied about who the shooter was. 392 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 2: His bosses asked him to apologize, he refused, and now 393 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: he is suspended. That is an insane chain of events 394 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 2: to defend and to pretend that something about free speech 395 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 2: was going on here. 396 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, he obviously lied. 397 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 4: This is where I'm going to be easier than you 398 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 4: on the on the free speech the brand News for 399 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 4: free speech brigades, because I do think that Brendan Carr 400 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 4: should have shut his mouth. 401 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 2: Listen, if you. 402 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 4: Had shut his mouth, this man would have been out 403 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 4: of a job within a week and a half. Anyway, Arguably, 404 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 4: he might be ready erected because of Brendan Carr making 405 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 4: these implications and threats on the same day as ABC 406 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,239 Speaker 4: had decided to deal with him disciplinarily right, and like 407 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 4: just just don't, just don't don't. 408 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 2: Also just the fact that it seemed like ABC was 409 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: using this as an excuse. I mean, he has said 410 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 2: vile things in the past, I mean really truly disgusting. 411 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: He blamed Republican politicians for school shootings, and then when 412 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 2: there was an outcry the next day, he was like, 413 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: I think that all your Republican voters are mad about 414 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 2: this because you know you're responsible too. He made sure 415 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: to draw the distinction between politicians and the voters and saying, 416 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: if you vote Republican, you're responsible for school shootings. He's 417 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 2: I never found him funny. I thought he was deeply 418 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: divisive and just lacked any humor whatsoever. Give that job 419 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 2: to date, Brigetzi watch the gratings. 420 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 4: Go out, and here's the thing is that, like, first 421 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 4: of all, I think they're full of the news free 422 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 4: speech folks. Obviously I actually agree with them about Carr 423 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 4: and also their enthusiasm for the cause of a millionaire 424 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 4: late night host versus the father of two, who was 425 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 4: shot through the neck for debating on campus, is very noticeable. 426 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 4: And my friend Jessica Tarloff, who I respect and enjoyed 427 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 4: debating with on Fox, said to a New York Times writer, 428 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 4: I believe today that like, it's not fair to say 429 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 4: that they care more about. 430 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: Kimmel than they do about Kirk. And I'm like, I 431 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: think it is. Yeah, I think it is. 432 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 4: And I noticed actually in several of the former Republicans 433 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 4: who became democrats' post Trump era, I followed all their 434 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 4: instagrams from like back in the day, and it was 435 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 4: no mention of Charlie. 436 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: Several posts about Kimmel. 437 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 4: So look, I don't want to do the bean counting 438 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 4: all the time, but it was quite noticeable. And this 439 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 4: is the media has been so used to designating who 440 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 4: the correct victim is for so long, and they were 441 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 4: very uncomfortable with the idea of Charlie being a victim, 442 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 4: just as they were uncomfortable with the idea of Congressional 443 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 4: Republicans being victims when they were shot at in twenty seventeen. 444 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 4: And they wanted to move on another reason that like, morally, 445 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 4: I think it's wrong for the government to be job 446 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 4: owning people, but strategically wrong because you've made him into 447 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 4: this thing that he really wasn't right. 448 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 2: But I agree with you obviously, I think Carr shouldn't 449 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 2: have said anything and let this all play out. But 450 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 2: they're totally using this as an excuse. 451 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I did not. 452 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 2: Believe them at all. I did not believe them that 453 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 2: they really think that the FCC was going to shut 454 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 2: down Jimmy Kimmel. No, Jimmy Kimmel upset his bosses. Everybody 455 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 2: knows how that goes. You know, when I teach my 456 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 2: kids about free speech, I tell them it doesn't include 457 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 2: telling your boss he's ugly. So like, that's how it goes. 458 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 4: We can't live in a world where cancel culture is 459 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 4: like there is no point at which anyone is ever fired. Right, 460 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 4: Only lefties can do whatever they want, including wishing death 461 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 4: upon their neighbors broadcast on the internet, and they can 462 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 4: remain nurses and doctors and teachers like that. 463 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: That does end up being a problem. 464 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 4: I would also like to note that while watching this 465 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 4: service and in consuming all of the vigils and all 466 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 4: that stuff that's happened in the twelve days since Charlie 467 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 4: Kirk's murder. I have heard endlessly about the foreboding nature 468 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 4: of the rights reaction to all of this, and yet 469 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 4: I just want to go through the actual facts real quick, 470 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 4: which is that the number of arrests that have happened 471 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 4: that have been ostensibly related to this have been a 472 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 4: vandalism in Arizona that was on a Charlie Kirk memorial 473 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 4: and an assault in Texas that was on a Charlie 474 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 4: Kirk mourner. The attempted bombing of a Fox News truck 475 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 4: by two men in Utah whose names were left out 476 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 4: of the coverage because it was very obvious that they 477 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 4: will of Middle Eastern descent, and so that was left 478 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 4: out of coverage. Now we have an ABC affiliate shot 479 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 4: up in California by a man who, by all accounts 480 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 4: and including his own online accounts, is a very develout 481 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 4: lefty who was mad at ABC about Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah, 482 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 4: and so I keep being told that we're dangerous, but 483 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 4: all the arrestable offenses from the left up on their 484 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 4: side of the ledger. 485 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. 486 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 4: And by the way, some people are doing really hard 487 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 4: work going through the actual studies of political violence and 488 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 4: just debunking so many of them. 489 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: The data is just off the charts. 490 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 2: Bat Yeah. And the corresponding data to this is that 491 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 2: only ten percent of Democrats believe that Kirk's murder was 492 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,719 Speaker 2: left wing. That's bananas. You live in a bubble that 493 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 2: is feeding you misinformation. And I don't know how to 494 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 2: get through these people. I really don't know. I have 495 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 2: British friends. I had an English friend who posted about Kimmel. 496 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 2: I'm like, do you know what's going on in your country? Like, 497 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 2: you know the stories we get about you guys, Kimmel. 498 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: You know amazing. 499 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 4: I also want I wanted to read one quick tweet 500 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 4: reflecting on the memorial, and he does it in a 501 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 4: nice way. 502 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: But this is a left of center person. 503 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 4: He says, watching the Charlie Kirk memorial, I'm struck by 504 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 4: how extremely culturally distant I feel from this world. Everything 505 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 4: about it feels alien. The aesthetics, symbolism, music, rituals, mythology, gurus, 506 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 4: ideas and norms. It feels like being exposed to the 507 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 4: cultural and symbolic universe of a distant tribe. If I 508 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 4: reflect on this, it occurs to me that this feeling 509 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 4: must be symmetrical, that they must view the kind of 510 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 4: cultural universe I inhabit as similarly. 511 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: Alien in a strange way. 512 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 4: Despite opposing almost everything about this political project, this reflection 513 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 4: makes me feel more empathy for what that project must 514 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 4: feel like from the inside. He's a philosopher University of Sussex, 515 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 4: And no, it's not symmetrical at all. 516 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: We know all about you. 517 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: We spend a lot of time with you guys. 518 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys won't shut up about it. 519 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: The cultural norms are forced upon us all the time. Hilarious, 520 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: he doesn't know that in his head. 521 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 4: Also, I find it so interesting that, yes, this was 522 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 4: a very specifically I think a little bit evangelical, megachurchy 523 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 4: feeling event and the pyrotechnics some people took issue with, 524 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 4: but obviously those were Charlie's kind of signature at these 525 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 4: events and so they wanted to. 526 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: It's also a joyous event. 527 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 4: It was supposed to be a celebration, which I know 528 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 4: can be jarring for people as well, but that's like 529 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 4: how the thing is done. It's interesting to me that 530 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 4: you would watch that and go this is weird, en off, putting, 531 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 4: in bad and the things these people are saying are ichy. 532 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 4: I really that one I have trouble. Yeah, I can't 533 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 4: put myself in your shoes. 534 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 2: Right, not at all. How are the lefties doing with 535 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 2: all this? I mean their poll numbers must be going up, right. 536 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: More, coming up unnormally. 537 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 4: But first, it was nearly two years ago that terrorists 538 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,479 Speaker 4: murdered more than twelve hundred innocent Israelis and took two 539 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 4: hundred and fifty hostages. 540 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: Today it seems as if the cries of. 541 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 4: The dead and dying had been drowned out by shouts 542 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 4: of anti Semitic hatred and the most brutal attack on 543 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 4: Jewish people since the Holocaust has been forgotten. 544 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: It is the world looks away, a light shines in 545 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: the darkness. 546 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 4: It's a movement of love and support for the people 547 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 4: of Israel called Flags of Fellowship, and it's organized by 548 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 4: the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. And on October fifth, 549 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 4: just a few weeks away, millions across America will prayerfully 550 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 4: plant an Israeli flag and honor and solidarity with the 551 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 4: victims of October seventh, twenty twenty three and their grieving families. 552 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 4: And now you can be part of this movement too, 553 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 4: And I know you guys will want to get involved, 554 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 4: to get more information about how you can join the 555 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 4: Flags of Fellowship movement, visit the Fellowship online at IFCJ 556 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 4: dot org. 557 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: That's if CJ dot org. We're back. But normally right 558 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: after this. 559 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 4: We've talked a lot about the alleged Normy saviors running 560 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 4: for governorship gubernatorial races in the Democratic Party. So Mikey Cheryl, 561 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 4: a representative, is running up in New Jersey against Jack Chitdarelli. 562 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 4: I believe this is that's how I say this last name. 563 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 4: And then in Virginia we have a former representative Democrat, 564 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 4: Abigail Spamberger versus Winsome Seres, who is the Lieutenant governor 565 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 4: of Virginia. That's been kind of a hot race because 566 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 4: there's a lot of controversies going on in Northern Virginia schools. 567 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 4: But Mikey Cheryl's getting some exposure lately as well. And 568 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 4: she was on the Breakfast Club with Charlemagne, who, although 569 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 4: I disagree with him on a thousand things to me, 570 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 4: is one of the more interesting people who interviews politicians. 571 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, because he does not fit the lines. 572 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 4: He comes with them with unexpected stuff and he came 573 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 4: at Mikey Cheryl asking her about how she really amped 574 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 4: up her her worth while she was in Comnetre's here's 575 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 4: the question in her response, So. 576 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 7: When news max claimed that you made seven million dollars 577 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 7: from stock trades, what are you talking about? 578 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 8: News Max is, first of all a very questionable organization 579 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 8: that is paying multiple fines. I'm not sure what they're 580 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 8: talking about. 581 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: Well, did you make seven million in stock trades at all? 582 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: I I haven't. I don't believe I did. 583 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 8: But I'd have to go see what what that was 584 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 8: alluding to again, what kind of came from? 585 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't know. 586 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: She loved not impressive. 587 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 2: Not impressive. 588 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 4: Chita really also went after her on this on stage 589 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 4: at a debate, and she was similarly sort of caught 590 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 4: off guard and didn't really have an answer for it. 591 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: These are basic things. 592 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, really, New Jersey and Virginia. I just hope that 593 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 2: they do the right thing. These are two states where 594 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 2: I just feel like so many people are trying to 595 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 2: vote themselves to sanity and they just have people holding 596 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 2: them back. 597 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 4: Now, it's going to take work because these are purplish 598 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 4: to blue states. 599 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: They just are. 600 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 4: Virginia in particular, has a lot of federal employees here 601 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 4: ticked off at doge who are energized. Spamberger is a 602 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 4: decent dish candidate, has been in the past one in 603 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 4: a swing district. But here she is finally getting asked 604 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 4: by Nick Monok, the local ABC affiliate reporter in Northern Virginia, 605 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 4: the tough question, the tough question about how she feels 606 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 4: about the gender policies that allowed a fifty something sex 607 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 4: offender to expose themselves multiple times to women in high 608 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 4: school bathrooms in Arlington Public schools. Whether she thinks those 609 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 4: policies are an issue and should be changed. 610 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 7: Can you tell us directly, do you support biological males 611 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 7: who say they're women using women's locker rooms and bathrooms 612 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 7: and competing the women's sports. 613 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 9: Well, the circumstance as this legal case plays out is 614 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 9: really one of we've had court cases settled or judged 615 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 9: here in Virginia in the fourth District, the former Gavin 616 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 9: Grim case related to bathroom usage, and in fact, the 617 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 9: argument is the assessment is there needs to be much 618 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 9: clearer guidance in terms of what is an executive orders 619 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 9: binding assessment of Title nind versus what has been a 620 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 9: decision of a court. 621 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 7: But do you personally support these policies. You personally support them, everybody, 622 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 7: can you support these locker room or bathroom policies? Congresswomen? 623 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 7: Why can't you answer this question directly? Let's go congresswomen. 624 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 7: Congresse women, do you support these bathroom and locker rooms? 625 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 2: Thank you? 626 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 7: Why can't you answer these questions directly? 627 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 2: She ran away, Carol Sharan way, how could you be 628 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 2: not prepared for that? 629 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: This is like the number one thing. By the way, 630 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: this is. 631 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 2: Again, this is they don't know anything about us. 632 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: Like Also, they don't get asked tough questions very often. 633 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: She gets asked. 634 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 4: I think she got asked recently how to make her 635 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 4: banana bread recipe, like it's very light stuffed. Yeah, enocus 636 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 4: somebody who does have tough questions for Democratic candidates, He 637 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 4: asks her several times. 638 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: She refuses to answer. 639 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 4: I ask you once again, how are they supposed to 640 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 4: be the normy saviors If they can't come out on 641 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 4: the eighty percent side of an eighty twenty issue, they. 642 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 2: Can't be and they shouldn't be. So Harry Aton had 643 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 2: some numbers and he sees things going not super great 644 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 2: for the Democrats and the midterms. He says, Republicans lead 645 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 2: by seven on the economy, lead by thirteen on immigration, 646 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 2: and on crime twenty two points. So yeah, look, I 647 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 2: want the Democrats to lose, but I also want a 648 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 2: normal country and I want them to be more normal. 649 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 2: And I don't know how they learned that lesson unless 650 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 2: they lose repeatedly on the issues that normal people care about. 651 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 2: Crime is an issue that it doesn't matter if you're 652 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 2: a Republican or Democrat, you should be against crime. And 653 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 2: the Democrats have found themselves defending criminals and saying crime 654 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 2: is not that bad. So if they can get to 655 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 2: a place of sanity, that would be ideal. 656 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 1: Yeah. 657 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 4: I think one of my concerns is that Virginia is 658 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 4: purple enough that she'll pull this off. 659 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,479 Speaker 1: And I yeah, it doesn't have to be the case. 660 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 4: The Winsome Sears campaign is working really hard, capitalized on 661 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 4: a bunch of stuff. But if they win that way 662 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 4: without her conceding on immigration, crime or gender issues, they're 663 00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 4: going to continue to spin out. 664 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: They're just I wouldn't adopting this approach, I think will No. 665 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 2: It's not thanks for joining us on normally, I'm actually 666 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 2: going to read a Charlie Kirk tweet that went viral 667 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 2: again this weekend because I think it really sums up 668 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 2: what we all should be doing. Get married, have children, 669 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 2: build a legacy, pass down your values, pursue the eternal, 670 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 2: seek true joy. Eventually we will replace the nihilists. Thanks 671 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 2: for listening.