1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: As Democrats be about in the Republicans. President Trump was 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: sent here to smash conventional norms. I would rather see 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: a congressional solution. It's part of my DNA. This is 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: Bloomberg sound on on Bloomberg d two Friday, folks. Friday, folks. 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: We made it through another week. Texas in Minnesota relaxing 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: some of their lockdown measures. This as the administration now 7 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: saying that they had the guidelines to reopen parts of 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: the economy within the next month or two. President Trump 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: locked in a back and forth, not with the media, 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: not with Speaker Pelosi, but with New York Governor Andrew Cuomo. 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: They're mocking each other now in real time over virus eight. 12 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: It's all turned political. All of that. Speaking of which, 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: the ineptitude, ineptitude and ineffectiveness coming from the halls of 14 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: a deserted Congress. What the heck is going on with 15 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: the all Business Administration loans? When will that get replenished? 16 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna check in with exclusively with Congressman Patrick McHenry, 17 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: Republican from North Carolina. I caught up with him earlier today. 18 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: He's the top Republican on the Financial Services Committee, the 19 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: All important Financial Services Committee, plus that this Tim Carney 20 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: is gonna be on. He's the author of Alienated America, 21 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: so excited to talk to him. He's a senior political 22 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: columnist at The Washington Examiner and a resident fellow at 23 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: the American Enterprise Institute. The a EI has been one 24 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: of the dominant forces in the administration's um uh uh, 25 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: the high and the scenes brain trust, so to speak, 26 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: in handling the um UH coronavirus. Al moters back Democratic 27 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: strategist partner of Brownstein, Hyatt, Farber and Trek and Ugar 28 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: Shamali returns. We made it through another week, and you 29 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: know what. I went on a walk today, walking around 30 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: a Washington d C in between the TV hits, and 31 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: I thought I was on a mission to find pizza. 32 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: And I realized that so many great DC restaurants are 33 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: really being creative in terms of how they are serving 34 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: food on street side curb side coffee shops. You can 35 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: go on their apps, get some local coffee. You got 36 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: to wear the mask, but you can still support the 37 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: local economy. I love it. So I got my pizza. 38 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 1: I want to be you know, polite and not say 39 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: which pizza place, but it's it gave me a lot 40 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: of ideas. So next week, I think what we're gonna 41 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: do is try to uh tap into the ingenuity and 42 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: the genius here in the DC area and all of 43 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: the incredible entrepreneurship that's been going on. Uh it's really inspiring. 44 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: But also to find out how people have been getting 45 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: or not getting the economic aid because the small Business 46 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: Administration has been They've run out of cash, they've run 47 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: out of the loans. I mean, you can't even and 48 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: and the the Republicans and the Democrats they've been fighting 49 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: and fighting and back forth and back and forth. So 50 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: I want to hear from you business owners all next week. 51 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: Reach out to me, d m me at me easy 52 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: to find at Capster really and um, let's talk. Let's 53 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: have a conversation about how the federal government is or 54 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: is not helping you. That was the that was the 55 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 1: start of my conversation, by the way, with Congressman Patrick mckenry, 56 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: who is a Republican from North Carolina. He's the ranking 57 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: member on the House Financial Services Committee. So last week 58 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: we had the chairwoman Maxine Waters. This week we delivered 59 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: Patrick mckenry, the Republican from North Carolina, take a listen 60 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: to my interview with him from earlier today on Bloomberg Television. 61 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: What is going on with the small business administration and 62 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: when our lawmaker is going to re up and reapprove 63 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: some more funds for small businesses. Well, sadly, this has 64 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: become a piece of partisan angling, and I think it 65 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: is quite unfair to the small businesses across the country. 66 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:58,119 Speaker 1: This small business program to pay check Protection program um 67 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: UH is the most popular program converse is authorized in 68 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: my time in Washington. And so what I would say 69 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: is there's a massive pressure on the elected class to 70 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: get on with it and to refill the funds here. 71 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: Um they've gone at an unprecedented pace because there's an 72 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: unprecedented demand amongst small businesses to make payroll and pay 73 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: their rent. And so you know, the the animal instinct 74 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: of the American small business person is there. They want 75 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: to get on with it, and they need this relief 76 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: so they can get on with it. The Congressman, I 77 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: mean to take us behind the scenes here and and 78 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: just remove the partisanship for one second. Process wise, what 79 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: is going on? Why didn't leadership on both sides of 80 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: the aisle actually execute this and get this done well 81 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: because the Democrats have additional requests. They want prioritives. The 82 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: immediate need right now is because the funds have run out. 83 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: The immediate need right now is to refill the money 84 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: and the Paycheck Protection Act. The Democrats want further lead 85 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: for states and for hospitals. Those funds are still widely 86 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: available as a part of the Cares Act. So I 87 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: think at the end of the day we'll have a 88 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: reasonable tradeoff. Cooler heads will prevail because this is a 89 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: very popular program that needs reauthorization and needs more funding. 90 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: It's it's frustrating, I think because every source that I 91 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: talked within the business community, big business and small business, 92 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: they don't understand why this hasn't been executed more effectively. 93 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: Moving on President Trump. Yesterday, President Trump announced guidelines to 94 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: reopen the economy. What's your response to that, Well, I 95 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: think I think it's reasonable. Uh, this is the hands 96 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: of uh cities, counties, and states. They have the main 97 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: police power here, not the federal government, and so to 98 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: put out the metsorts by which we should open the economy, 99 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: I think it's a reasonable thing for presidential leadership to 100 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: be exerted here. And I think that the governors are 101 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: doing the best that they can UH to match the 102 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: needs of their people and public safety and NMIC life here. 103 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: And those trade offs are really tough, very tough, especially 104 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: given the public health consequences and the economic consequences that 105 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: are at stake here. But I think these vestors are 106 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: much needed, quite necessary, of course, uh, and this can 107 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: give the public a better view of the conditions by 108 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: which we get back to economic life. But just how 109 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: do you balance though, the need for public health concerns 110 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: while also the economic fallout that that has been Uh, 111 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: that is a caurred and just devastated the country. Well, look, 112 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: this is a tough, tough thing. We've we've not dealt 113 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: with this. We've dealt with acts of war, we've dealt 114 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: with natural disasters. But this is truly an act of 115 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: God outside of normal consigns and thought processes of government. 116 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: And so those tradeoffs have to be made and have 117 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: to be balanced, and different states, different governors, different officials, 118 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: will come to different conclusions. It's not about ideology, it's 119 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: about the practical trade off between economic life and public health. 120 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: And just the final issue we've talked about this before, 121 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: what does this do for the United States relationship with 122 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: China and the United States relationship with European allies through 123 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,559 Speaker 1: the lens of the Chinese backdrop. Well, I think what's 124 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: clear is the Chinese regime, the communist regime of China lies. 125 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: That is the one thing that's that's clear about it. 126 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: I think the challenge here for US internationally is to 127 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: continue to have an open economy when we've had such 128 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: an earth shattering and earth shaking economic impact of this virus. 129 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,559 Speaker 1: I think in a short run, our relationship with China 130 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: is going to be much hurt by this, by their 131 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: lack of transparency in the initial stages of this disease 132 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: and then UH their propaganda campaign to say that they 133 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with it. UH is deeply troubling 134 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: to Europeans and in those here in in America as well. 135 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: That was Congressman Patrick McHenry, a Republican from North Carolina. 136 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: He is the top Republican on the Financial Services Committee. 137 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: And earlier in the day before that that interview you can, 138 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: by the way, you can check it out on Bloomberg 139 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: dot com. But earlier, prior to that interview, I was 140 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: speaking with some sources on the other side of the 141 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: Aisle Democrats and I gotta be candidate, folks. I mean, 142 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: there is agreement that at minimum China has to answer 143 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: some of these questions that are out there. And that's 144 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: not just that that's been the unifying thread here. Now 145 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: how they go about asking those questions is going to 146 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: be quite frankly, the dominant UH foreign policy geopolitical shift 147 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: at least for the next two years. Coming up, we 148 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: continue the conversation with Tim Carney from the Washington Examiner 149 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: in the American Enterprise Institute. How are they or won't 150 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: they be looking into that wuhan lab. I'm Kevin Cirelli. 151 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg Sound On with 152 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: Kevin Shirley on Bloomberg and one oh five point seven 153 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: f m h D two Brenda Run Burn to Run. 154 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Sirelli. Cheap Boshen, Corey's Boded the Bloomberg Television 155 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: and Bloomberg Radio. We're all working from home, right, so 156 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: I want to give you a little bit about hid 157 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: the scenes window into my life. Right, not too much, 158 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: but we have a video chat open for the show 159 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: for all of our production of match Early and UH 160 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: and Christine Rata and they they they think that if 161 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: they're talking that you can hear them, but but they 162 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: can't because I mute them. Because I'm not. You know, 163 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm a little more ab. I'm a smart There's more 164 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: than meets the I folks, all right, enough about me 165 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: in our video chat. But I'm very excited to welcome 166 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: to the program someone who has really been a driving 167 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: force in terms of the conversation around the questions that 168 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: uh Shi Jinping is going to have to answer. Uh and, 169 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: if not to his own people, definitely to the international community. 170 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: Of course, I'm talking about Tim Carney. He is the 171 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: author of Alienated America. He is a senior political columnist 172 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: at The Washington Examiner and resident fellow at the American 173 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: Enterprise Institute. Tim, first of all, thank you so much 174 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: for your time. And let's begin with the Washington Examiners 175 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: editorial headline, investigate the Wuhan lab. Perhaps the coronavirus pandemic 176 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: began in a Wuhan wet market, as is most commonly claimed, 177 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: but it makes no sense to dismiss the alternate theory 178 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: that it escaped from a Chinese laboratory. How does the 179 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: US investigate China well, first, thanks for having me on. Second, First, 180 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: let's clarify kind of all the different stories that get 181 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: pulled into one, because when I've seen the coverage of 182 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: people have jumped from the words in that editorial escaped 183 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: from a lab, and they've assumed that this implies one 184 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,119 Speaker 1: of four other things. Either that were that we're suspecting 185 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: that this was some bioweapon engineered in the lab. Now 186 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: scientists have basically said it's clearly was a virus that 187 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: was in bats, which is where coronaviruses tend to come from, 188 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: and it wasn't deliberately released. Is not at all what 189 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: anybody either are editorial or Tom Cotton suggested, but that 190 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: this was a lab that really did experiment on study 191 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: and try to better understand coronaviruses. But it's also was 192 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: notoriously bad at security, and that that was one of 193 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: the art. Josh Rogan and the in the Washington Post 194 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: had a piece about our US State Department walked around 195 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: the lab and looked at it and found security labs. 196 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: So that gets to your question, how do we investigate it? Well, 197 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: it's not easy, right, China is pretty good at hiding, 198 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: but what it doesn't want no, um, but there can 199 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: be diplomatic pressure. There were State Department people who went 200 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: in there. What did they find? Can we get more 201 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: people in there? And if not, why not? Yeah, I'd 202 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: like to know what they found. And you know, once 203 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,599 Speaker 1: lawmakers are able to return to UH to Congress, I 204 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: would imagine one of the tools that that lawmakers have 205 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: at their disposal is to hold hearings. Another tool is 206 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: more economic pressure. But you know, this has been a 207 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: common thread over the past several specifically this week on 208 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: this program, that it's we can't look at US China 209 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: relations in a bilateral vacuum. How do you think tim 210 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: the China's lack of transparency at best, to put it simply, 211 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: how do you think that's going to impact Europe's relationship 212 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: with China, India's relationship with China, and other counterparts around 213 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: the world's relationships with China. Well, so this is one 214 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: of the one of the things that really puts Trump 215 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: in a Trump administration in a tricky spot because they've 216 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 1: been trying to sort of combat China. Has been one 217 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: of the recent things that Trump has been talking about. 218 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: They're trying to cast Joe Biden as too cozy on 219 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: China and that kind of thing. But the traditional tools 220 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: that administrations Clinton Bush, Bush Obama used to combat China 221 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: was engaging the rest of the world. That's what the 222 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: Transpacific Partnership was about. Get these Pacific countries to think, Okay, 223 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: I'm in the US orbit, so no, I'm not going 224 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: to reach out to China for building of apport for 225 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: you know, other infrastructure, that sort of thing. And so 226 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: one of the criticisms of Trump that I think has 227 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: some truth is that his disengagement from so much of 228 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: the rest of the world has meant that people looking 229 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: for um, countries looking for an ally, for sort of 230 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 1: a big brother, have turned to China. But now now 231 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: that this Tom Cotton called this the most deadly cover 232 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: up in history. If Chinese dishonesty mel seasons has caused 233 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: this uh pandemic to be as bad as it is, 234 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: or at least sort of yeah, has caused it to 235 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: be as bad as it is, it will be really 236 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: hard for US Sri Lanka, or in India or those 237 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: other countries to trust China again. In a sort of 238 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: perverse way, it's it's a potential opportunity for the US 239 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: to sort of regain that the world leader status. Tim 240 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: Carney's on the line. He's the author of Alienated America. 241 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: He's also a senior political columnist at The Washington Examiner 242 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: and a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. Tim 243 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: seeking with that point. So here in the United States, 244 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are raising and 245 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: asking questions to Shi Jing Ping and to the China 246 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:56,479 Speaker 1: Communist Party. How is europe reacting? How are your are Europeans? 247 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: Do they share in the frustration? Do they share and 248 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: the questions? They've been quiet? Right? Why is that? This is? 249 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: This has always been the case. I mean, I'm old 250 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: enough to sort of remember the end of the I 251 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: saw a rocky for that was part of the Cold 252 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: War and Red Dawn. Okay, we're talking. I feel like 253 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: I'm back in Delco. Go ahead, if you read if 254 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: you read on the Cold War, you see that when 255 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: it came to confronting the Soviet Union, we would lead 256 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: the United States and Europe would sort of either kind 257 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: of get in our in our in our tail winds 258 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: or would be like, oh, you might be going a 259 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: little too far there. That's always been the history of 260 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: the US when facing somebody who might be sort of 261 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: a malevolent global force. And right now China is the communist, 262 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: the largest country in the world. It's a communist. It's 263 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: increasingly authoritarian. We thought it was going in the other 264 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: direction before she's been ping and now it looks like 265 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: it's going in the authoritarian direction. And so no European 266 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: and they do the same with Russia. They don't really 267 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: criticize Putin. Um I mean some ex scent. Trump's criticized 268 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: Putin more than most European leaders. So that's I don't know. 269 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: I don't like to be going off about sort of 270 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: European weenies, but they are not the type of people 271 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: to confront um in the in the Could War era. Uh, 272 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: these communist leaders, you know, I mean, they were the 273 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: first ones to confront the Nazis. Okay, I'll give them that, 274 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: But since then, um no, they haven't been taken the lead. Tim, 275 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on. Appreciate it as always. 276 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: I hope you come back. Thanks for all the work 277 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: that you're doing on this issue and others. And just 278 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: to quote Rocky for what are depressing vacation. Meanwhile, coming 279 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: up next, we check in with other insiders, including hug 280 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: A Shomali to talk more foreign policy and politics. I'm 281 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: Kevin s Really, the chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television 282 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: and Bloomberg Radio. You can't make this up. Are you ready? 283 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: Are you ready for this? Here's your fun after the 284 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: day the Bat Conservation International name today Bad Appreciation Day. 285 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: If you're listening to Bloomberg, you're listening to Bloomberg. Sound 286 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: On with Kevin Shirley on Bloomberg and one on five 287 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: point seven f M h D two. I'm Kevin CEREALI 288 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: cheap Washington corresponding or Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. I'm 289 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: not losing in phones this video chat. They have me 290 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: in stitches in the break Our production team, not Shirley, 291 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: Bob Bryan and Christine Barada working from home, tirelessly and 292 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: all of this technology to put on this virtual show. 293 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: And we hope that you enjoy it, um and we're 294 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: so grateful that you're listening to it. Has anyone else 295 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: made friends with their their balcony neighbors across the road, 296 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: by the way, I've I've talked to so many neighbors 297 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: to meet the neighbors throughout this entire debacle. That's what 298 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'll use a neutral word, debacle is that 299 00:17:54,760 --> 00:18:00,719 Speaker 1: neutral debacle of of COVID nineteen and uh it's been 300 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: What a way to meet the neighbors. You learn a 301 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: lot about your neighbors through the time they spend on 302 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: their balconies. Al matters, no name, no stranger to the 303 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: neighbors of Washington, d C. He's a democratic strategist and 304 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: partner of Brownstein, Hyatt Farber and shrek Al How are you? 305 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: How's the family? A great? Thank How are you holding off? 306 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: You know, I'm bored, but I'm grateful and I am 307 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: not bored with work. But you know, it's you know, 308 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: all things considered, I have nothing to complain about. Al, 309 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: go ahead, No, what were you gonna say? I was 310 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: just gonna say. I like the joke to no more 311 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 1: days and nights and mornings only hours. You know, I 312 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: never liked I never liked the movie Groundhold Day. I 313 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: thought it was the same thing over and over and over. 314 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: But to live it, my lord, it's just brutal. Huh. 315 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: How's Joe Biden doing now? I mean, he's doing about 316 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: as well as he could be. Don't you think he 317 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: has no access to major media, no one's paying any 318 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: attention to him, and yet he's lead eating in virtually 319 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: every poll, including in some states that would shock people 320 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: if you told him a year ago that would be 321 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: the case, like North Carolina or Arizona. So do you 322 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: think if you take us inside a Biden world al 323 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: moder democratic strategists are they trying to recalibrate readjust because 324 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: the entire fourth quarter messaging come the fall is going 325 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: to be all about the recovery from this economic recession. 326 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: I mean, they have to UM, but the readjustment is 327 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: simply to focus on the president uh mismanagement of the situation. UM. 328 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: With more forethought, with more precautions, with earlier adjustments, with 329 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: more use of the Defense Production Act, we could be 330 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: in a different spot. And I think that mess is 331 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: a message they will camera home and they will point 332 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: to the Vice president's experience UH in these very types 333 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: of scenarios when he was in the Obama administration for 334 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: eight years. But see, this is my question with regards 335 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: to this is I don't see that much as a 336 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: significant strategy shift because prior to COVID nineteen, prior to 337 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: the to the shut, to the the global shutdown. They 338 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: were attacking the president on on that same point. They 339 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: were hammering home on the rhetorical approach, and they were 340 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: hammering home on uh not being able to not not 341 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: fit for for serving in office, the temperament argument, so 342 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: to speak. That didn't work in Michigan, it didn't work 343 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, It didn't work in Ohio or pennsyl or 344 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: southwestern Pennsylvania. Might work this time in Pennsylvania if you 345 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: look at the polls and the mid terms. But is 346 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: that a risk because the President saying I want to 347 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: reopen the economy and the Democrats want to keep the 348 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: economy closed and hand out cash. The Democrats are saying 349 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: absolutely not. Republicans don't want to fund the hospitals or 350 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: the healthcare workers. So that's the partisan guide, that's the 351 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: partisan walls, for lack of a better word, that has 352 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: been constructed. But how does Biden offer a new economic 353 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: vision at a time in which the SPA is running 354 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: out of cash? Well, I think that by the fall 355 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: will be out of these groundhold days that we were 356 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: just joking about, and people will have a different lens 357 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: through which to look at this, and his vision will 358 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: be one of economic growth of the recovery that the 359 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: Abamba administration provided, and of the decimated economy that this 360 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: administration has brought us to. And if you think about 361 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: what's happened, while we did have an incredible growth the 362 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: last couple of years, it was very weak in the underbelly, 363 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: and there were so many people who were just getting 364 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: by paycheck to paycheck, and now they're withering, and they're 365 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: withering because this administration didn't buttress the lower middle class, 366 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: in the middle class of this country. It only stared 367 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: at the stock market instead, look at your four O 368 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: one case. A lot of voters don't even have for case, 369 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: well precisely, I mean and even just you know, it's 370 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: it's the congressional ineptitude has just been baffling, to say 371 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: the least, lack of urgency on both sides coming from 372 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: the from the halls of Congress. Sorry pivoting gear switching lanes. Now, uh, 373 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: did you see this the McClatchy d C saying who 374 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: will Joe Biden pick as his running mate? Here's what 375 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: the Vegas betting odds show. Did you do? You know, 376 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: first of all, who Vegas is betting is placing the 377 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: odds on who Biden will pick. Do you know, because 378 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you if you don't, I don't. I 379 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: actually like that stuff until I do check it out. 380 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: It is kind of fun. We shouldn't have Vegas or 381 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: Wall Street betting on the future of our country. Al 382 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: who who do you think Vegas thinks is gonna is 383 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: gonna win? Probably Kamala Harris or any quotes are it's 384 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. There you go, ding, ding ding, we have 385 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: a winner. While pundance I'm reading from McClatchy. While pundits 386 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,479 Speaker 1: are discussing the options, bookmakers in Las Vegas are setting 387 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: betting lines for who Biden will pick. Sites listing the 388 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: odds agreed that Senator Kamala Harris is the favorite. I'm 389 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: old enough to remember that first Democratic presidential debate when 390 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: Harris lacked Biden. Remember that, Oh yeah, I remember it well. 391 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: It was quite effective at the time. Look, he's a 392 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: very personal politician. I think he's gonna go whoever he 393 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: feels most comfortable with and who he thinks would make 394 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: a good president because he is older, and he may 395 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: only do this for one term. If he decides that's her, 396 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: then he'll go with it. But I think that Amy 397 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: Clobastar has got a great shot. Um. I think there's 398 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: another number of other people out there, like Governor Whitmer 399 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: and in Michigan does Map though in Nevada, Governor Grisham 400 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: in New Mexico, uh, and maybe even Stacy Abrams who 401 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: almost won a governorship in Georgia. All those folks are 402 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: probably in the mix. Yeah, those are all the people 403 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: that that were listed. Klobuchar came in uh second actually, 404 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: and then Elizabeth Warren was also on that list. I think, yeah, yeah, 405 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: there's there's uh, you know. I think Clobachar presents a 406 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: different type of offering obviously than Kamala Harris does, and 407 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: especially if you look at the Midwest and when you 408 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: when you look at how the Midwest, especially right now, 409 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: is playing into the reopening argument where factions of the 410 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: United States are going to be reopened before other parts 411 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: of the country. A Democrat to be able to take 412 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: on uh, some of the Midwest argument could really be 413 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: seen as an asset, could it not be? Oh? Absolutely? 414 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: And I think that he has proven electorally and while 415 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: in Congress that she knows how to talk about Democrats 416 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: and Republicans. And when you think back to and the 417 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: narrow margins in which Hillary Clinton lost, UM, all we 418 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: need to do to win the selection is win those 419 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 1: three states back Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. There's not gonna be 420 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: some other surprise like California or New York going to 421 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,959 Speaker 1: the publican column. If Joe Biden wins those three states, 422 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: he will be the president of the United States. And 423 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: someone like Senator Harris, as attractive and charismatic as he is, 424 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: is not going to be attractive to the middle Road 425 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,479 Speaker 1: Republican voters, Obama Trump voters in those three states. And 426 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: so I do, for that reason think the Senator Clovichar 427 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: would be a better selection. So that's what's going on 428 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: at the presidential on the left side of the on 429 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: the left for the Democrats. How is this going to 430 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: impact downballot raceist something you know a lot about. UM. 431 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: How are Democrats going to be trying to win back 432 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: the seats that they want in the mid terms some 433 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen. I think that, UM, that most 434 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: of those folks will be allowed to campaign on their own. 435 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: The Speaker will let those um, those purple district members 436 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: campaign in a moderate lane if they have to and 437 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: agree with the president where they must, to disagree where 438 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: they where they can, as opposed to just being a 439 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: straight uh line picket. In terms of advocacy, I think 440 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: in the Senate, the Democrats have tremendous opportunities in Maine, 441 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 1: in North Carolina, in Arizona, UM and across in Montana, 442 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: in Colorado, and that there's a real chance that we 443 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: could wake up in early November with all democratic control 444 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: of government, which would be quite a shock. And now 445 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: that you don't think a supermajority, if you're putting a supermajority, 446 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: you're if you were, they guess what you bet on 447 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: a supermajority, not of her majority like with President Obama 448 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: when he had sixty. But a Democratic controlled Senate is 449 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: a real possibility. If you look at the state polls 450 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: right now, particularly Arizona, Minnesota, I'm sorry Arizona, North Carolina, Colorado. 451 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: You're looking at likely pickups there. You're throwing Governor Bullock 452 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: in Montana, a very popular guy running extended against Steve Danes. 453 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: You look at Susan Collins, who's running against a very 454 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: good Democratic candidate, Sarah Gideon, and Maine and you can 455 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: see the path where by Democrats take the centate back. 456 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: Bullocks a really interesting political figure. We've had him on 457 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: the program a couple of times, and you know, he's 458 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: one of those interesting political figures doesn't really fit into 459 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: the the the mainstream image of the cable news esque 460 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: type of of fodder that that we inside of the 461 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: belt Way obsessed over. Alt My friend al Matter Democratic strategists, 462 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: uh and someone who I guess is going to be 463 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: watching groundhog Day but also a partner at Brownstein, Hide 464 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: Barber and Shrek. Thank you for the time, my friends, 465 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: Stay healthy, Stay safe. Coming up, Pugar Shamali, we're talking 466 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: about the World Health Organization. And remember you can listen 467 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 1: to President Trump's daily Coronavirus Task Force briefing right here 468 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg nine one coming up in the next hour. 469 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Sireley on 470 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: Bloomberg and one oh five point seven f m h 471 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: D two. Here's the name you want to remember, DROs 472 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: Add Hannem DROs Ad Hannem. He is the Director General 473 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: of the World Health Organization w h O. De DROs 474 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: Ad Hannem uh and he is. If you don't know 475 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: his name now you will uh in the next couple 476 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: of weeks. Sagar Shamali's back because I wanted to ask 477 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: her yesterday about the World Health Organization and the President's 478 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: criticism of it, as well as the questions that lawmakers 479 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: and both parties are asking about the World Health Organization 480 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: and what exactly its role is in all of this. 481 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: Why didn't they did they have tested? They not have test? 482 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know where to start, which 483 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: is but I do know who to start with, and 484 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: that's Agar Shamali, CEO of Granwich Media Strategy. She's the 485 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: former Treasury spokesperson for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence. She's worked 486 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: with both Democrats and Republicans and the span of her 487 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: very multifaceted career her Garth thank you for joining me. 488 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: All right, what's up with the World Health Organization? Thanks Kevin, 489 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: Thanks for that kind of introduction, um to listen. The 490 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: Warmth Health Organization is a U N agency responsible for 491 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: international public health. That is their soul task. And so 492 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: what that means that what they do is they are 493 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: supposed to address global pandemics. They improve health for the 494 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: world's poorest and most vulnerable. So that means they, you know, 495 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: make sure that the administered vaccines around the world for 496 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: measles and polio. They try to make sure that maternity 497 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: health around the world is adequate and and improving, and 498 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: so you know, so they have their hand in all 499 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: of these parts. Um. And they are physically all over 500 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: the world, and they have had some success with certain 501 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: things like especially when it comes to improving health for 502 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: the poor. UM. And they have been good about containing 503 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: the Ebola crisis that started last year, the one that's 504 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: in the Congo up. Yes. Yes, yes, they've made a 505 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: number of mistakes and by the way, it's not the 506 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: first time. They made a number of mistakes now with 507 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: COVID and they've made a number of mistakes in general. 508 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: They are a bureaucratic organization. They're incredibly slow. UM. I 509 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: witnessed it when I was in the government myself. They 510 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: UM when I was at the U S Mission to 511 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: the u N which is how I intimately know this agency. 512 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: UM and Ebola crisis was going on. They didn't they 513 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: didn't move. I mean that that that crisis threatened to 514 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: kill a million people before President Obama made the Digital 515 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: look US for a second because you're saying what if 516 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: you're listening to this, the follow up is just why 517 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: why don't they move? What is it like when you 518 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: say they don't move? Define that spell that out for me. 519 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: What does it mean when you say they don't move? 520 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: Does it mean they're not they're not moving fast with 521 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: their and voting or what are they not doing? Sure, 522 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: you know this is not actually unique to a lot 523 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: of U N agencies that they be that they're slow 524 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: in be au chronic and so in order for them 525 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: to get resources somewhere in order for them to, for example, 526 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: declare a global pandemic, which they did not do with 527 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: COVID until mid March. I mean at this point we 528 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: were quarantined. Really, we were all staying at home at 529 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: least in the Northeast by the time that they had 530 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: made this declaration. You know, So when they said this, 531 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: a lot of us were like, Okay, yeah, I mean 532 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: CNN has made that declaration already, right, So that's what 533 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: I just don't understand. And and I'm a journalist, but 534 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: what you just said, I mean, and and folks who 535 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: are listening, Hagar is as as non partisan as they come. 536 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: And so to the fact that other countries, not just 537 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: the United States, but other countries including the US were 538 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: getting these orders from their government and warnings from their 539 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: government to shelter in place, to stay indoors, the closing 540 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: down of businesses, of churches, places of worship, of schools, everything, 541 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: and the World Health Organization and this leader, Chief Ted 542 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: Drows doesn't even call it a pandemic. Are you to me? 543 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: It's it's almost as infuriating as Congress not replenishing s 544 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: p A. Yeah, oh no, it's it's it's infuriating because 545 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: this is literally one of their biggest roles is to 546 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: do that, because once they declare something a global pandemic, 547 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: there are a number of steps that go into place. 548 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: But it's also about awareness, right, I mean, so we 549 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: are all you know. For example, I live in the 550 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: New York area. I traveled to Washington, d C. In 551 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: early March, and I was a little paranoid. I mean, 552 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: I was wiping down my seat on Amtrak and so on. 553 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: But I shouldn't have been traveling then technically, because the 554 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: pandemic was going on, and yet they hadn't and declared it. 555 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: Already crossing the country, I was just crossing the globe 556 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: I mean all of us were right. It came as 557 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: a surprise to a lot of people. And that's that's 558 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: really unfortunate because that's they're one of their main jobs 559 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: is global awareness, is information sharing as quickly as possible. Um, 560 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: they have resources to help with everything, whether it's tests 561 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: or getting medicine around the world, or you know, whatever 562 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: it might be. But in a in a situation like 563 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: a global pandemic, information is really power, and they really 564 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: lacked on that. And then then and then a big 565 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: piece of that that President Trump is not wrong about. 566 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: He's been inconsistent, but he is not wrong about, is 567 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: their coziness with President Shieling. Well, that's what I want 568 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: to That's this, that's where I want to go on 569 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: the remainder of time. So Ted Ros in China explain 570 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: this dynamic between the top of the World Health Organization 571 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: and right. So, they the chief of the World Health 572 00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: Organization and the agency overall has in general a problem 573 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: with being too friendly with dictators. They and I witnessed 574 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: this again when I was in government. They are very 575 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: close to the Syrian regime and they're close to President 576 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: she And the reason that that they do this, the 577 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: reason may have these cozy relationships is because um, right 578 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: or wrong, they operate in a world where they're not 579 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: really able to do much in in a sovereign country's 580 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: borders without the agreement of the government. Right now, the 581 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: difference that you have in a more democratic nation is 582 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: that a democratic nation if if if you enter the 583 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: World Health Organization comes and says, listen, you have this 584 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: problem and we're here to help, then that a more 585 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: democratic society is going to say like, okay, great, well, thanks, 586 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: come in, whereas a dictatorship that is naturally already threatened 587 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: by criticism or anything foreign is going to be very difficult. Yeah, 588 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, and that it's not I 589 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: hear what you're saying. The follow up, no, I know 590 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: you're not and and I don't hear justification coming from 591 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: you and in any way, shape or form. So so, 592 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: but the but the question that I have is, Okay, 593 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: it's one thing to cozy up to someone, but in 594 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: the midst of a crisis, if the whole point of 595 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: cozying up to someone is to achieve an outcome, and 596 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: the time of crisis, Okay, here's the crisis. Wh O 597 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: why didn't you if you're cozy it up to them 598 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: for so many years so that you could have access 599 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: to the information and get the information to help save 600 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: the world literally from a pandemic. They didn't. They didn't 601 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: even execute their mission. Right, It's a major weakness on 602 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: their part. And you're totally right, but it's it's it's 603 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: even more than a it's a lack of common sense. 604 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: I mean, this is so simple. If you're gonna suck 605 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: up to a dictator, you better get something in return. Exactly, 606 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: you're right. I mean, that's why they do it, right, 607 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: That's why they do it in Syria, That's why I mean, 608 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: ostensibly they do it in China. Is if they're going 609 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: to suck up to President She, then they should be 610 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: able to get their people on the ground, they should 611 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: be able to get proper investigation, they should be able 612 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: to get the truth out. And they were not able 613 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: to get any of that done. And and and in 614 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,919 Speaker 1: the meantime, this has real a real obviously are very 615 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: real effects on the whole world. Right. Um. And by 616 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: the way, President Trump is not the only one that's 617 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: angry about this. I mean, there have been others who 618 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: have voiced concerned. I mean, he's definitely seen it in 619 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: the media. But today the Japanese Prime Minister, yeah, he 620 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 1: came out and he said, you know, yeah, the wh 621 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: has a lot of problems. I too, am not happy 622 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: about their political relationships, especially with President She and we're 623 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: going to be reviewing our funding after this pandemic is over. 624 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: And what the what are the Europeans saying? Well, the 625 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: Europeans are a bit more. I mean they're they have 626 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: not gone into talking about funding. They're not talking about anything. 627 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 1: I mean, they're not talking about China, they're not talking 628 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 1: about the World Health Organization. I don't I don't get 629 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: that her guard. We have to leave it there. I 630 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: cannot thank you enough for your time. Let me tell 631 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: you something, folks. She knows what she's talking about, and 632 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: every time I listened to her, I learned. So Hagar Shamali, 633 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: CEO of Greenwich Media Strategies, giving us another segment of 634 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: her time, so incredibly appreciative, filled with gratitude. The former 635 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: Treasury spokesperson for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, also having done 636 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: intricate work with the United Nations as well, She's had 637 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: a fascinating career. I hope she writes a book and 638 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: That does it for me. We'll be back on Monday. 639 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 1: Right here on Bloomberg, you can list down. You can 640 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: listen to the president's daily Coronavirus Task Force briefing. I'm 641 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,240 Speaker 1: Kevin CEREALI have a great weekend. You're listening to Bloomberg.