1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to I've never said this before with 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: me Tommy di Dario. Today's guest is the brilliant Camilla Luddington, 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: who stars in the ABC hit medical drama Gray's Anatomy, 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: arguably one of the most iconic and legendary shows to 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: hit television. Wealth Ever, Camilla is going into her twelfth 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: season of the series, which is an incredible testament to 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: the power of the show and the impressive character that 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: she has created. She of course, plays the beloved role 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: of doctor Joe Wilson. It is a role in which 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: she shows strength and vulnerability as she navigates her way 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: through these complicated storylines centered around love but also career. 12 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: And I think many of us have been able to 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: relate to her storylines at some point in our lives, 14 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: which is why I know audiences absolutely love this character. 15 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: She is so relatable. Camilla has many impressive credits, but 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: one super interesting one being that she was the voice 17 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: of the iconic Laura Croft in the video game tomb 18 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: Raider and Get This. When the game was released in 19 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, critics praised Luddington for giving the classic icon 20 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: a much needed reboot, and gamers agreed. They bought over 21 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: a million copies in the first forty eight hours of release. 22 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: Come on, how cool is that? Camilla is a gal 23 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: who knew exactly what she wanted at a very young age, 24 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: and she never veered from her dreams. So in honor 25 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: of that, this is an episode for all of my 26 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: fellow dreamers out there. So let's see if today we 27 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: can get Camilla to say something that she's never said before. Camilla, 28 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: it is so nice to meet you. I have been 29 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: wanting to interview for quite a while. I have heard 30 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: of Yes, I've heard amazing things about you. We have 31 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: a few mutual friends, so we're going to have some 32 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: fun today. Are you ready to rock? 33 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: I am, I'm ready. Let's go. 34 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: Well, I have probably the most important and hardest question 35 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: of your life you're about to answer to kick this off. 36 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: Are you ready? 37 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: Okay? Go? 38 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: So. I know you're a Taylor Swift fan, and I 39 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: know you're a Bravo fan. So if you were stuck 40 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: on a remote island and could only listen to one 41 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift song for the rest of your life, while 42 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: hanging out with one cast from any Bravo show for 43 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: the rest of your life, which shaw and which gust 44 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: would it be? 45 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: Do you say a desert island? 46 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: Desert island? So you're stuck forever? 47 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm obsessed, like obsessed right now obviously with 48 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: the new album. But the song Mastermind on the new 49 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 2: album is one of my absolute favorites. So I feel 50 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: like today with this question, it's that song who would 51 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 2: I Bring? I feel like I do you watch New Jersey? 52 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: I'm from New Jersey? 53 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So I love Teresa. I know it's like 54 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: you know, people are like torn on Teresa and Melessa. 55 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: I love Teresa. I feel like if I bought her 56 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: to the island with me, like she could figure it 57 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: out with me, Like we could like get coconnuts together. 58 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: Like I feel like she'd like rally and this. She's 59 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: been through a lot, so I feel like she wouldn't 60 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: be phased by an island. Some say Teresa and that. 61 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 1: Song, you know what? Those are solid choices. I love it. Okay, good, 62 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: good for you. You're gonna survive and last a long time. 63 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: I think I would survive. Yeah, and I'd look good 64 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: doing it with her. 65 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: Yes you would, Yes you would, Yes you would. Amazing. Well, 66 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: another thing that I guess Italianto Survival is you've been 67 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: kicking ass on Grey's Anatomy for now, what are you 68 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: going into your twelfth year? 69 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: My twelfth year. It's funny because I even forget sometimes 70 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, it's ten years. I'm like, wait, no, it's twelve. 71 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 2: Like even I've forgotten, like how many years has been. 72 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: I mean, that is incredible in this day and age. 73 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: So what keeps you coming back for more to the show. 74 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: It sounds cheesy, but I really love my cast and 75 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: every single year we bring on new people and they're 76 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: always amazing, Like we have a new intern class that 77 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: like I just feel like that like influx of new 78 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 2: people keep it really fresh for us. And then I 79 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: have to shout out to our writers because they do 80 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: a great job of every season. I mean it's been 81 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: like twelve for me of being like, hey, this is 82 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 2: probably going to be your storyline this season, and it's 83 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: always like, oh my god, that's I love that. I 84 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 2: can't wait to play that. So the writers keep it 85 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: super fresh for us. 86 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: Well, it's to play a character for over a decade 87 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: is so special. It's so rare, and I imagine it's 88 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,119 Speaker 1: really gratifying for you when you think about your whole 89 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: trajectory on that journey, Right, So, how has that journey 90 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: been for you playing Doctor Joe over all the years. 91 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 2: It's funny because so I joined the show in season nine, 92 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: and I remember thinking, Okay, shows, it's amazing that they're 93 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: in season nine. But like the shows that you know, 94 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: it probably is going to go on for a couple 95 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: more years, Like it's not going to go on for longer, 96 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 2: because like shows just don't go on for that long. 97 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: So I feel like the trajectory of it has just 98 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: been shocking. To be honest, I would never have imagined that, Like, 99 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: you know, twelve seasons later, I'm still on the show. 100 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: But what's been really nice, and I don't know if 101 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: I'll ever get this opportunity again, probably not, is being 102 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 2: able to sit with a character for that long. They 103 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 2: become part of your life. They become part of you 104 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: because you've experienced so much with them, you almost grow 105 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 2: up with them. So it's like when she had a 106 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: one year old on the show, I had a one 107 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: year old when she wasn't getting sleepless nights on the show. 108 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 2: I was literally getting sleepless night. So it feels like 109 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: we've like in some ways obviously completely different, but in 110 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: other ways like parallel to each other, like grown up together. 111 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: And that is just a really unique experience, And. 112 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: What a cool outlet that must be when you're going 113 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: through real world stuff to be like, oh, so is 114 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: my character I can go work this out on set? Right? 115 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? I feel like when she you know, when 116 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 2: I started the show, you know, Joe's like in a 117 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: new space and she's super intimidated by like, you know, 118 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 2: the doctors around her and wants to do a really 119 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 2: good job. That was me. I was entering this show 120 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: that was already iconic. I wanted to do a good job. 121 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: I wanted to impress people, so like that energy she had, 122 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 2: that's how I started too. So it's like, you know, 123 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: she's been she's got settled in her job and her 124 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 2: confidence built. I've gotten settled in the job, my confident, 125 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: you know. So it's just it's a really wild ride 126 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 2: to be on with a character for that long. 127 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: Did you feel that pressure going into the show because 128 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 1: of that very reason? You knew how big it was. 129 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 2: I was a huge fan. I actually wish I had 130 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: not been a huge fan of the show. I wish 131 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 2: i'd seen it in a way because I think my 132 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: first few days on the show, I would have been 133 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: like a lot more relaxed. But I walked on and 134 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: I had watched it from the very day that it 135 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: premiered until then, and I was like, Oh my god, 136 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 2: It's Gray's Anatomy. This is the post it note, this 137 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: is the fridge they had Thanksgiving dinner. You know, it's 138 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: like it's really it was intimidating being a fan and 139 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: then being in it, and also just knowing that fandom. 140 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: They're so passionate and you hope that like you're stepping 141 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: into to like big shoes, you know, the show, like 142 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: you want to be an intern class that they like 143 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 2: and root for, and it takes time. So all those 144 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: things were on my mind when I started, which was 145 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: all really intimidating. 146 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: So how in the world do you say, girl, get 147 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: a grip? But we got work to do, like put 148 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: all that aside and let's get working. 149 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: Because it's a Shonda Rhime's show, fair enough, CRA's Anatomy, 150 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: and you know, like on Grey's Anatomy, anyone can like 151 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: explode in an elevator at any time. So with that 152 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: hanging over your head. You're like, I gotta get it together. 153 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: I don't have a choice but to like rally and 154 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: do the best job that I can do. 155 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: You're like, I'm not getting right off the show today. 156 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, totally. 157 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: What are some of your fondest memories when you think 158 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: about those early days on set of the show. 159 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: It was really exciting. I miss having like a class 160 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: that I came in with, Like I do miss that 161 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: because there was camaraderie there and I'm the only one 162 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: left of my intern class, so I miss that. But 163 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: I also feel like it was good in a way 164 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: to like not know in the beginning how big the 165 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: show was. I knew it, but like I feel like 166 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: it hadn't hit that like streaming situation yet, so it 167 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: kind of kept me in more of a bubble in 168 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: the early days, which I think was good. But some 169 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 2: of them, like I just have memories of filming some 170 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: of the most iconic stuff, like that dinner party where 171 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: Penny comes in and Meredith says, like, this is the 172 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: person who killed my husband, Like, I just have such 173 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: you know, those scenes that have become super iconic. We 174 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: shot for days and days and days, and between the takes, 175 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: like we had so much fun. So those are great memories, 176 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 2: Like you know, Jackson and April's wedding, Like I have 177 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: great memories of that, and like you know, all of 178 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: us just having fun between takes. Those are my memories. 179 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: Well, it's always yeah, it's obviously you guys had a 180 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: lot of fun and the camaraderie on set seems to 181 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: be so special and so amazing. But it's a job 182 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: too write, and with any job there's challenge. So what 183 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: is one of the biggest challenges playing a character for 184 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: that long that we might be surprised about. 185 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: I think that a lot of shows now are sometimes 186 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 2: six episodes, eight episodes, ten episodes. We're one of the 187 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: only shows that are still twenty episodes, twenty two episodes, 188 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: and I think that people don't realize that that means 189 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 2: nine months of the year shooting. And so one of 190 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: the challenges that comes with that is if your character, 191 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: because I've had this and a lot of us have 192 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: had this, if your character is going through really hard season, 193 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: that's nine months of your year that you're sitting in 194 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: that depression with them, or sitting in that trauma with them, 195 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 2: and that with this particular show, because of the length 196 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: of time we film, that can be challenging, and. 197 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: It's hard sometimes to separate that from the real world. 198 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: It is hard because you're going back to it so often, 199 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: so it becomes harder to shake off. You have to 200 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: do a really good job of compartmentalizing. But it's sometimes 201 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: it's really difficult because you have to go you know, 202 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: you have to go really deep so often for so 203 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: many months, like it can the lions can get blurred. 204 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: You can come home and you can you know, you're 205 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: bringing that energy home. You have to be careful about 206 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 2: that well. 207 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: And especially because the show has so many shakeups, right, 208 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: you never know what's going to happen, who's going to 209 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: be around, and that's one of the most I think 210 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: appealing things about the show. It's the element of surprise. 211 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: And one of those shakeups recently was of course Ellen 212 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: Pompeo leaving the show. So what was that like when 213 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: you heard the news and having kind of the fearless 214 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: leader and og character decided part. 215 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: Ways, It's interesting because I feel like Ellen had talked 216 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 2: about sort of being ready to move on and try 217 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: something new, so it wasn't completely shocking. And then for 218 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: us personally and Ellen has said this before, it doesn't 219 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: really feel like she's left. She's doing the voiceover for 220 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: every episode. Still, when she did leave, we knew she 221 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 2: was still going to be in our finale episode, and 222 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 2: she herself was said like, I'm always going to have 223 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: a presence on the show. There's never going to be 224 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: that Meredith Gray is not going to show up. So 225 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 2: I feel like it doesn't feel like she's left. I 226 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: think she's still there obviously to support the show. She's 227 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 2: a producer on the show. So I don't feel like 228 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: Meredith Gray has gone. 229 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: Season twenty it's coming up. Everyone is like, come on, 230 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: let's go. We want we want it, we need it. 231 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: What are you looking forward to? What do you hope 232 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: for with the new season for your character? 233 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: I want her to kick ass as an obe. She's 234 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 2: back to, you know, being a resident, so I really 235 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: want to see that skill set just like her just 236 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: be amazing at her job and so passionate. I'd love 237 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: to see her continue to do more surgery because she's 238 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 2: also a general surgery attending, and then she has her 239 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: baby and Luna has been diagnosed with hearing loss, so 240 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: I want to see her also. I would love to 241 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: see her really diving to learning sign language, Like, I 242 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 2: just think that's a really cool, awesome storyline representation. And 243 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 2: then I want her love life to be a little 244 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: bit more successful, which hopefully, you know, she had a 245 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: big kiss at the end of last season. Hopefully that 246 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 2: means Linc and her are going to be good for 247 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 2: a while. But oh my god, it's our show, so 248 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: you know, who knows. 249 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot we can look forward to in 250 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 1: the new season. And I love that you brought up 251 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: focusing on the hearing loss storyline as well. That always 252 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: touches me. I was actually so I when I was young, 253 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: I was completely deaf and only had half of my 254 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: hearing in one ear, and I had to go through 255 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: corrective surgeries and years and years and years of that 256 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: and then I was lucky that I got restored, but 257 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: I had six years of speech therapy after that because 258 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: I didn't learn how to speak during my formative years. 259 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's something so important to focus on, 260 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: and I like that your show, you know, is leaning 261 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: in that direction, because many don't. 262 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 2: I have the same thing. I was actually diagnosed with 263 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 2: kind of significant hearing loss last year or the year 264 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 2: before it doesn't sound like a lot, but it's about 265 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: ten percent of my hearing. So it just means that, 266 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 2: like in normal situations, I can hear people, but like 267 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 2: in a crowded restaurant, it's really hard for me when 268 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: there's a lot of like ambiance, And you know, I 269 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: was even like one day I might need, you know, 270 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: a hearing aid in my forties, and I hope, I wrote, 271 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 2: if I'm still in the show, I hope I rock that. 272 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: So I love any sort of because I feel like, 273 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 2: you know, not that I have completely lost my hearing, 274 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: but I have a little bit of hearing loss, and 275 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: I love that that is something that's being featured and 276 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: it hasn't you know, I feel like it hasn't been 277 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: done yet with anyone's child on the show, so I 278 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: think it's really nice. 279 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, representation matters, So that's a cool storyline to explore. 280 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: What strikes me about you is you're someone who is 281 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: so excited about the work you do still and it's 282 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: so refreshing. I think in any fields, when I meet 283 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: someone who loves what they do and who is grateful 284 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: and eager for the future of what their career looks like. 285 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: In that particular role. I think it's so inspiring and 286 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: and you've talked about how there's a lot more to 287 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: explore with this character, which to me, it's like, oh yeah, 288 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: I mean you've been on for over a decade, so 289 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: what do you mean by that? Talk to me about that. 290 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: Do you have a ton of different ideas? 291 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 2: I do, And it's hard because I feel I have 292 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 2: so many ideas, And then you know, I do like 293 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: to like pitch to the writers and be like because 294 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: actually the writers are super open. At the beginning of 295 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: every season, they sit us down and they say, like, 296 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 2: what do you think? Like what are things that you 297 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: want want to see? And it's just really it's really 298 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 2: nice to have writers ask you that question because it's 299 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: not always the case. So I'm very careful about not 300 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: saying it because sometimes like our ideas do sort of 301 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 2: manifest into a storyline. But I I'm like, I don't 302 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 2: want to say it because then it won't be used. 303 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: But I do feel like she has long way to go. 304 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: She has, you know, she's still at the beginning of 305 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: this new career. What does that look like, a new relationship? 306 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: What does that look like? And with a baby still, 307 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: you know, she's got a two year old, so what 308 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: is that like? There's so much much story still to tell, 309 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: And even when you think, like god, we've done it all, 310 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: they just do a great job of being like, hey, guys, 311 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 2: this is what we're going to do, and you're like 312 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: what you know? Like, we still get so shocked and 313 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: excited by our scripts. So I feel like she's at 314 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: the beginning. She's kind of starting fresh, even later in life, 315 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: with a lot of the things going on in her world. 316 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 2: So yes, I think there's a lot more story to tell, 317 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: but I don't want to say specifics because I'm hoping 318 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: that maybe one of them would get used. 319 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: That's exciting. That gives a lot of hopes to people 320 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: who want this to continue on for years and years 321 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: to come. So I love that. That's awesome, Camilla. You 322 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: have been through many years on this show, and with 323 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: that comes a lot of personal growth, right and learning 324 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: about yourself and going through real life experiences that, as 325 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: you said, sometimes mirrored your characters. So when you think 326 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: about your career as a whole on Gray's Anatomy, how 327 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: are you different as a human being from when you 328 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: first join the show. 329 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: I would say my confidence has grown a lot professionally, 330 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: because in a way, being on a show like that 331 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 2: is like the best acting class you could ever take. 332 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: Acting is like a muscle that you have to keep 333 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: working at. And when we are lucky enough to do 334 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 2: that many episodes and be thrown so many different storylines, 335 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: we really get to work that muscle a lot. So 336 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: I feel like I've been very fortunate to grow as 337 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: an actress on the show. So hopefully there's that change 338 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: that's happened. And then in my personal life, you know, 339 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: I become a mom, which is like a huge change, 340 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 2: And I think, what's really nice as I get older 341 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 2: is I care less about what people think. That's a 342 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: really nice feeling. That's a really nice feeling. And I 343 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 2: feel like that comes with having children too for some reason. 344 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, I feel like because I feel like 345 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 2: I put myself in their position a lot. So I'm like, 346 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: would I want my daughter Hayden to care about what 347 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: this person thinks of her? No? I wouldn't, So why 348 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 2: would I care? So I feel like it's given me 349 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 2: more perspective. 350 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: That's something that I think we all strive to have, 351 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: to be able to not care what people think. 352 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: It's hard it's. 353 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: Hard, man, it's hard. It's hard. Yeah, I imagine that 354 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: was a practice for you to get to that point. 355 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 2: It was just a natural progression. I'm really good about. 356 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 2: Like I here's another way in which I feel like 357 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 2: I've grown. I feel like boundaries was not something I 358 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: necessarily had in my twenties, and I learned like, oh, no, 359 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 2: boundaries is a really good thing. It's really good for 360 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 2: me to not go online and read all the comments, 361 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 2: Like that's a boundary that I make for myself once 362 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: in a while. I like scroll through, but I'm really 363 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: not taking in all the comments like I would in 364 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 2: the early days, like you know, what's going on, what 365 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: people thinking of storyline? That boundary for me has been 366 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 2: really good. So I feel like even that those are 367 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: ways in which I've been able to be able to 368 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 2: step back and again get that perspective and be like, 369 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 2: is this really part of my world? That my day 370 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 2: to day world. It's not like what this person's saying 371 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: about me, you know, it's just it's it's learning. It's 372 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: being on the job and learning as you go. You 373 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 2: know what works for you and what doesn't work for 374 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 2: you in terms of like your mental health and keeping 375 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 2: yourself afloat in a really crazy industry. 376 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: Well, and I think that's why you're able to continue 377 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: having such a thriving career while maintaining a sense of 378 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: truly who you are, because we all see that that's 379 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: easily lost in this industry. Yeah, and it's sad when 380 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: that happens. But I look at you, and I see 381 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: somebody so accomplished. I see a kick ass mom. I 382 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: see someone who has an amazing career. I see someone who, 383 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: you know, from what I can tell from social media, 384 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: lives her life with positivity and excitement and truly trying 385 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: to be the best version of you that you can be. 386 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: And all of that, to me means you're accomplished. That's 387 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: a very accomplished human being. How do you view accomplishment, I. 388 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 2: Think in one way. I mean there are so many 389 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 2: different ways I feel accomplished, but just being able to 390 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: be a parent, you know, even in my messy mistakes 391 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 2: as a parent, like I feel accomplished that I'm like 392 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 2: keeping two kids alive on a daily basis. But in 393 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,239 Speaker 2: one way that I feel accomplished, I feel like I 394 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: never doubted in a crazy industry that this is what 395 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 2: I would end up doing when so many people doubted 396 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: growing up. You know, like, oh, yeah, she's let me 397 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 2: an actress like good luck and she's waitressing good Luck. 398 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: You know, I feel accomplished proving people wrong. 399 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: That's powerful. That's powerful because you, at the end of 400 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: the day, can say I went for what I wanted 401 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: and I don't have any regrets doing it. 402 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. And even if I'd gone for what I wanted 403 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 2: and it hadn't worked out, I still feel like I 404 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: would have proven people wrong by giving it my everything. 405 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: Man, I'm like sitting here thinking to myself right now, 406 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: what are the times in my life that I have 407 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: felt like I truly, truly, truly didn't care what people 408 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: thought of when I was on the journey to my career. 409 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: And I think you nailed it earlier. It's when you 410 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: get older you kind of step into that more and more. 411 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I definitely do. And when I was back 412 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 2: when I was like waiting tables at Los Angeles, which 413 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: I had to do for a long time, it wasn't 414 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: like a six months jop. It was like I was 415 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 2: waiting tables like four years. I was still working and 416 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: waiting tables because I couldn't afford to just work in 417 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: the industry yet, and I would come up to people, 418 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 2: you know, on my table and they'd be like, chatty, 419 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 2: you know, what do you do And I'm like, well, 420 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 2: I'm actually an actress and they'd be like, you know, 421 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 2: I had so many people that I waited tables on 422 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 2: them were like okay, but what's your plan B or 423 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 2: like good luck you know, and so I feel like, yeah, 424 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 2: you know what, I did it nine pm, Thursday nights ABC. 425 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: You know. 426 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: So I had that constant reminder of people underminding just 427 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 2: strangers underminding what I wanted to do, let alone people 428 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: that I knew, And so, yeah, it does. It feels 429 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: nice to be like, I don't care what you think, 430 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to get your hot wings, but like one 431 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: day I'm going to be able to quit this job. 432 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 2: And that happened, and so yeah, that feels that feels 433 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 2: like a huge accomplishment. 434 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, so you're on one of the 435 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: biggest shows in the entire world, which is a nature puishment. 436 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of parallels between show and 437 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: real life, but if you kind of separate it for 438 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: a minute and think about who is Camilla Ludington without 439 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: Gray's anatomy? 440 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 2: What would you say, who is Kamila Luddington without Gray's anatomy. 441 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: That's an interesting question because it does it when you 442 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: when you're on the show for so long, it ends 443 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 2: up feeling like it is part of your identity because 444 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 2: when you're out in the world also, that's what people 445 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 2: are saying, like, hey, you're a jot, you know. So 446 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: to separate myself, okay, I would say that, you know, 447 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: my accent's all muddy right now. I'm from you know, 448 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 2: I'm from England, but I've just you know, I spent 449 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 2: so many years on the show and I'm filming in 450 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 2: an American action that it's all muddy. But I would 451 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 2: still say that I am still a girl from a 452 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: small town in England with big dreams. I still dream 453 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 2: really big about other things too. I would say that 454 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 2: I'm a mother, and I would say that I'm I'm 455 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: really creative. I like to think of myself as very 456 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 2: creative and fearless. I feel like you can't get into 457 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 2: this industry without being a little bit fearless. So that's 458 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 2: what I would say. I am without the show, and 459 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 2: at some point I will be without the show. 460 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: Is that weird for you to think about? It? 461 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 2: Is weird? Yeah, it's weird. I think it'll be really 462 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 2: hard the day that either I leave or the show 463 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 2: is done, it'll be hard. It'll be hard. 464 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you don't need to think about that for 465 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: a while now. 466 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: I hope. I hope. 467 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: Yeah. But of course, when you grow that attached to something, 468 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: no matter what it is, in any industry, it's tough. 469 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: So that's a true sign you're loving the work that 470 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: you're doing. And I think that's really inspiring. And I 471 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: think it's also inspiring that you just said there's other 472 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: things you want to achieve, because someone from the outside 473 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: might look at you and say, oh, that's it. She's 474 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: hit it. There's nothing more for her, Like after the show, 475 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: she can just kind of coast through life and say 476 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: I did it. But you're like, no, I have other goals. 477 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of different things I want to do, 478 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 2: and there's a lot of things that I can't talk 479 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 2: about that we're even working on right now that are 480 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 2: just different ways of being creative. So no, I hope 481 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 2: that this is just part of my story and it 482 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 2: will be. 483 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: It will be. You have so much going on in 484 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: your life, like any working parent, right, how you take 485 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: that time for you? Like, is it important for you 486 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: to carve out time in your days or weeks to 487 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: have a little self care, a little you time. What 488 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: do you do to just kind of preserve your piece? 489 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is also boundaries, and I think it's 490 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 2: important and it took me a long time to learn that. 491 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 2: Like you also need like boundaries with your children. It's 492 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 2: so easy to not have that because it's like they're 493 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 2: crawling all over you know, I have very young John, 494 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 2: I have a six year old, two year olds, so 495 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 2: they're crawling all over you. They need you all the time. 496 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 2: You're you know, you're constantly parenting. And so I think 497 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: one thing that I'm still learning to do is to 498 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 2: have that boundary of like, okay, you know what, Like 499 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 2: I need even if it's just like mommy's when I 500 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 2: make a cup of tea and I'm going to sit 501 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: outside and I need you guys to just play in 502 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: the playroom and just give me ten minutes because sometimes 503 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: like I don't have the time to go get my 504 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 2: nails done or have a massage or go for a hike. 505 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,719 Speaker 2: Like the reality is my meed time might be just 506 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 2: making a cup of tea and just sitting outside in 507 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 2: the quiet. So it's like finding those little ways to 508 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 2: have boundaries during the day, just to center myself, ground 509 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 2: myself before I go in and deal with the chaos. 510 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 2: Like that to me is as important as oh my god, 511 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 2: I'm going to go to dinner with my girlfriends like 512 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: just that. So finding the moments and having that boundary. 513 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 2: I also think it's really good for them to see 514 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 2: me do that so that they can say, you know, 515 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 2: as they're even as kids, like hey, mommy, I need 516 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: some space, I need I need a second just to 517 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: be in my room, like you know, Lucas is driving 518 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: me crazy, whatever it is, like, I want them to 519 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 2: learn that they can see from me like that, I'm 520 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 2: advocating for myself, even if it's just like, hey, I 521 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 2: need a cup of tea and I want to sit 522 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 2: outside in the quiet but it's hot. I'm learning to 523 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 2: still remind myself to make those moments for myself. It's 524 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 2: really easy as a parent to get caught up in 525 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 2: the daily chaos and then crash out me in the 526 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 2: evening and you're like, what have I done for myself? 527 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: You know, I don't even showered, so yeah, it's a 528 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 2: learning curve. 529 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well and I love that. A question I 530 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: never asked to people is how do you balance it 531 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: all as a parent? How do you juggle it all? 532 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: Because it's you don't like it's you can't juggle everything. 533 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: You can't balance it all. I mean, I'm not a parent, 534 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: but I know that without having kids, I feel like 535 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: I can't balance everything. But I carve out time for 536 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: the things that I can and I do the best 537 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: I can, and that's what we can all do. 538 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, there is not going to be balanced. It's a 539 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 2: juggling act and sometimes you drop the balls and you 540 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 2: have to pick them back up. But like it's just 541 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 2: I think there is an element of just advocating for 542 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: yourself as a parent to even your own children, you know, 543 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 2: and just saying like, hey give me a second, mommy. 544 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 2: It's too loud, like mommy needs, you know, but it's hard. 545 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: I'm learning, and I'll probably they'll be older and I'll 546 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 2: still be learning. 547 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: Camilla, you strike me throughout this conversation as being a 548 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: very I'm going to go for something and nothing's going 549 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: to stop me type of gal. And I love that 550 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: about you, because I think fear can be very crippling 551 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: and discouraging, and for all of us, there's moments where 552 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: it tries to creep up, but we have to kind 553 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: of push it away and keep on going. Has there 554 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: ever been a point in your career where you wanted 555 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: to give up? And if so, why, and if not, 556 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: how do you maintain that mentality? 557 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,959 Speaker 2: I honestly never had a point where I was going 558 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 2: to give up, only because I feel like I never 559 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 2: had a plan B. I didn't have a fallback plan, 560 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 2: so it was kind of do or die. It was like, honestly, 561 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 2: it felt like survival, Like it felt like this is 562 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: the thing that I need to do. It's the only 563 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 2: thing I really feel like I love and I'm passionate about, 564 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: I'm really good at and so that's it. There's no 565 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 2: other path for me, and so giving up has just 566 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 2: never been an option. 567 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: Well it served you who well obviously, so thank god 568 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: you did it. And now are at the point where 569 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: it's time to ask you the very very important question, 570 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: A tough question. You ready for it? Yes, what is 571 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: one thing that you have never said before? 572 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 2: I have never said I hate sweatpants? 573 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: Ever, I need more information. 574 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: The reason I say this is because I've been joking 575 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 2: about this week with my husband. When we go into 576 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 2: a store and I don't know, I really like some 577 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 2: people go into store and see like a beautiful necklace 578 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: or something like, oh my gosh. The amount of times 579 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 2: I go into a store I don't care where it is, 580 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 2: like Target, and I'm like, I'm literally blown away by 581 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 2: a pair of sweatpants and it brings me so much 582 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 2: joy to like, oh my god, these are amazing, Like 583 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 2: nothing brings me more comfort. I'm actually in sweatpants right now. 584 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 2: I'm in According to sweatpants, nothing brings me more comfort than 585 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: a good pair of sweatpants. So if you ever hear 586 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 2: me say that I don't like sweatpants, it's because it's 587 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 2: been written as a line on Gray's Anatomy. You will 588 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 2: never hear that come out of my mouth. 589 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: So you're super fan. 590 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: I'm a bigger fan. I play in the pandemic because 591 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 2: I mean, what we're like, we all lived as sweatpants 592 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 2: and then everyone maybe moved on and I never did. 593 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: And you're also in scrubs a lot, and that's like 594 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: kind of in the family. 595 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 2: It's in the family. But you would think that because 596 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: I'm in scrubs, like I want to get into like 597 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 2: jeans when I'm dumb, But no, I just want to 598 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 2: take it to the level lower and be in like 599 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 2: full of draw string sweatpants. 600 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: You know what, You inspired me to go put some 601 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: on after this. I don't know why I'm not wearing 602 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: them now. 603 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 2: That is self care, That is self care. 604 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: You should trademark that saying sweatpants are self care. 605 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 2: We are sweatpants of self care people. 606 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: Well, on that note, I'm going to put on five 607 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: pairs of sweatpants. Get really comfy, Camilla. I love talking 608 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: to you. You're killing it in all areas of your life, 609 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: and I look forward to continuing to watch you sore. 610 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. 611 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: Thank you. 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