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Speaker 1: all the Combine stuff. Now, it's not like watching football,

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Speaker 1: So enjoy that and enjoy this because we continue our

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Speaker 1: programming from the Combine Combine Media Row not far from

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Speaker 1: all of it that we've been talking about all week.

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Speaker 2: And if you've missed.

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Speaker 1: Any of our shows, they are all in podcast form.

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Speaker 1: Nick Casserio, Dimkko, Ryans, all the great other guests that

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Speaker 1: because to kick off the show from NFL Films.

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Speaker 2: He's a legend.

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Speaker 1: He's actually the nephew of Howard Cosell, and I don't

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Speaker 1: say that much lately because he's his own man, breaks

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Speaker 2: You know him, Greg co.

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Speaker 3: Great to be with you guys, as always, you know

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Speaker 3: I guess, I guess it's another year. You know, I

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Speaker 3: still have a job. That's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, last year we were not looking for a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: This year, we're not looking for a quarterback. Two years

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Speaker 1: to talk to you about quarterbacks. But everything, everything at

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Speaker 1: large in the NFL. But let's start here. I know

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Speaker 1: you watched the Houston Texans, so I did your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on CJ. Stroud Part two in twenty twenty four, and

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Speaker 1: then going into twenty twenty five, is there's a new

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator in town with Houston's Yeah Killy taking over.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought this was a really good kind of

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Speaker 3: learning year for CJ. Stroud. You know, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 3: For whatever reason this year, and it's always easy to

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Speaker 3: was given credit for coming out of Ohio State, he is,

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Speaker 3: wasn't a bad year. I mean, clearly they made it

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Greg, beause you study the game, and as

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Speaker 3: I think there's no question, and it's funny. I just

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Speaker 1: You and I were talking a bit about the Texans defense.

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Speaker 3: They were one of my most favorite defenses to watch.

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Speaker 3: I just when he came out, I liked him, like

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Speaker 3: He's still under contract one more year. Yeah. I mean

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Speaker 4: So we we we saw it the first OTAs like, man,

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Speaker 3: Right, but you're you're there every day. I'm not, you know,

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Speaker 4: But we asked them the same thing, like we're seeing

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Speaker 3: A good, solid player, but he's a Day three guy.

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Speaker 4: But then he gets to OTA's and we're like, well

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Speaker 4: he's he's in control, you know, is everywhere?

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Speaker 3: Gun? I said, Nick, what what was kind of the

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Speaker 4: As you guys saw? And he's probably tackling? Yeah, and

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Speaker 4: rookie year, what do you see? You see that as

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Speaker 4: So they sit him down after the year like, hey,

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Speaker 3: And I'm telling you Greg this past year, his tackling,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no question how much how deep have you

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Speaker 4: Is there a quarterback that's kind of off people's radar

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Speaker 3: Been into the tape. I really like Tyler Shucks tape

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Speaker 3: It's the injury history that probably scares him more than

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right. He can do that.

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Speaker 4: And I think he's very very interesting to me, And

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Speaker 3: But man, you talk about can rip. Well, it's funny

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Speaker 3: And I think that because you're dealing with a kid

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Speaker 4: Right, Greg, what do we learn in the Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: what it's going to be going forward, but it's obviously

433
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Speaker 3: a very good year for running backs. In the draft now,

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Speaker 3: I think Genti will be the only guy that's probably

435
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Speaker 3: a f round pick, But there's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 3: of running backs taken who are going to play in

437
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Speaker 3: the league and contribute in one form or another. But

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Speaker 3: you know, we're not going to sit here and say

439
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Speaker 3: the whole nature of the NFL game has changed. You know,

440
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Speaker 3: everybody's going to run the ball. We don't know any

441
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Speaker 3: of that. You know, it's one year, but it was

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Speaker 3: just pretty interesting that six backs had over three hundred

443
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Speaker 3: carries and backs you wouldn't even think about. I mean,

444
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Speaker 3: Kyron Williams didn't even play the last game of the

445
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Speaker 3: season and at three hundred and sixteen carries.

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Speaker 4: What's interesting about that too is at least three of them, Sakuon,

447
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Speaker 4: Derek Henry, Joe Mixon, were free agent signings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that, Hey, you're not supposed to pay for a

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Speaker 3: running back.

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Speaker 4: And like you said, they've got Sekwon Barkley, so that

451
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Speaker 4: changes kind of the element of the Eagles offense. And

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Speaker 4: as the season goes on, it's like, hey, twenty six

453
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Speaker 4: is pretty dark.

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Speaker 3: Good. You got to get him the football, no question

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Speaker 3: about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see, all right, Greg, what more for

457
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Speaker 1: you doing what you do?

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Speaker 2: I know you love it.

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Speaker 1: As we continue to march through the digital age, how

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Speaker 1: has it evolved?

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Speaker 2: How are things changing for you and what you do?

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Speaker 3: Well, we've been in the digital agent films for a

463
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Speaker 3: long time now, obviously because we're you know, we're a

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Speaker 3: NFL film. H So what I do. I would say

465
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Speaker 3: over the last seven eight years hasn't dramatically changed because

466
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Speaker 3: the way I do my work. But you know, clearly, look,

467
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Speaker 3: there's so many metrics now with the way people evaluate.

468
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Speaker 3: I'm a tape guy, So I'm going to be the

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Speaker 3: first to admit that there may be things that maybe

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Speaker 3: I miss or maybe I'll be wrong on because at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, I'm a tape guy. But

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Speaker 3: I still think bottom line to me, and maybe if

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Speaker 3: you had a metrics guy sitting here, he tell me

474
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Speaker 3: I'm wrong, and I'd be okay with that. But I

475
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Speaker 3: still think as human beings evaluating human beings. When all,

476
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Speaker 3: when push comes to shove, you know, you can some

477
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Speaker 3: guy's gonna run a four to three one out here

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Speaker 3: and people are gonna go, oh my god, that doesn't

479
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Speaker 3: automatically make him a great football player, right, you know,

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Speaker 3: So you still have to evaluate a guy playing football

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Speaker 3: in my view, and you know, you got to evaluate

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Speaker 3: a guy playing the sport. Yes, you know, that's that's

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Speaker 3: what we're doing here, right, you know, And you got

484
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Speaker 3: to understand what a guy is. I'll give you a

485
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Speaker 3: great example. Bullock your safety. I did him coming out

486
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Speaker 3: of USC He was a post safety. That's what he was.

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Speaker 3: And if you drafted him thinking well, he's not a

488
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Speaker 3: post he's going to be more than that, I think

489
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Speaker 3: could get him wrong. So with the Texans, what do

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Speaker 3: you do? He played post safety. He's got a great feel,

491
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Speaker 3: he's got great instincts. He sees it really well. But

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Speaker 3: you're not gonna play him in the box. He's not

493
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Speaker 3: a box safety, though he's gonna miss every sackle. Yeah,

494
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Speaker 3: he's a post safety. He's really good at it.

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Speaker 2: I know you liked Lassa or too.

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Speaker 3: You know what. I liked Lessen coming out. But I'll

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Speaker 3: be the first to admit I thought he was way

498
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Speaker 3: better than I thought he'd be. I mean, this guy

499
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Speaker 3: is feisty, he's competitive. I mean I thought he played

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Speaker 3: great football this year and I thought he was one

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Speaker 3: reason the defense could do what they did.

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Speaker 4: Ye, Kamari was incredible. Yeah, and I mean you're right.

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Speaker 4: We started seeing it about the Jacksonville game. I remember

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Speaker 4: I was like, man, he's near the box a lot,

505
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Speaker 4: making a lot of tackles, and Demiko's like, yeah, that

506
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Speaker 4: was one of the things we loved about him.

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Speaker 3: He freaking tackles now and he relishes it. I mean

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Speaker 3: he's not looking to, you know, do one of those

509
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Speaker 3: Olay tackles and hope he gets the guy on the ground.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this guy tackles. He's got some Cream

511
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Speaker 4: Jackson for sure. Yeah, I mean Cream had that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got that for sure.

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Speaker 2: All right, Greg, thanks a lot for joining. It's always

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Speaker 2: a pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Oh this was great, guys. I loved it.

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Speaker 1: There's Greg Cosell of NFL Films breaking down film all

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Speaker 1: the time. Now AFC South Voices of the teams. That

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Speaker 1: is next, plus the best of Tamico from this week.

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Speaker 1: It's all coming up from the combine here on Texans Radio.

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Speaker 1: Right back to it here on Texans Radio, and let's

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Speaker 1: get right into it. AFC South Voices of the game.

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Speaker 1: Frank Frajie of the Jags, Matt Taylor of the Colts.

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Speaker 1: And there's no voice of the Titans currently because Mike

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Speaker 1: Keith went to the Tennessee Volunteers. And we talk about

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Speaker 1: that among other things in this roundtable conversation. AFC South

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Speaker 1: Voices unite. It's like news team assemble in Ron Burgundy Anchorman.

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Speaker 1: We've assembled, but it's the three of us. Frank Frangie,

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Speaker 1: the voice of the Jaguars, Matt Taylor the voice of

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Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts. I'm Mark VanderMeer voice of the Texans.

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Speaker 1: There is no voice of the Tennessee Titans currently because

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Speaker 1: Mike Keith, longtime only voice in Titan's history, not Oiler's history,

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Speaker 1: but Titan's history, is no longer the voice of that team.

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Speaker 1: He's the voice of the Tennessee Volunteers. So, gentlemen, welcome,

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Speaker 1: great to.

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Speaker 2: Be with you.

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Speaker 1: I want to start there though, Yeah, what was your

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Speaker 1: reaction to Mike going to the Tennessee Volunteers. I get

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Speaker 1: a lot of questions. I know you do. We'll start

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Speaker 1: with you.

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Speaker 2: Frank.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I just think it was inconsiderate

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Speaker 3: for him to leave before we did this.

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Speaker 5: I was shame fother six weeks would have been fine.

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Speaker 5: It would have been that hard to stay for this. Uh.

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Speaker 5: And so yes, I'm mad at him. I'm kidding. I'm

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Speaker 5: not surprised. Mike and I Mike, by the way, Mike's

547
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Speaker 5: one of the best guys of all time. He's in

548
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Speaker 5: the good Guy Hall of Fame we all know. In

549
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Speaker 5: a terrific broadcaster.

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Speaker 3: Mike was a little bit like me, and that he

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Speaker 3: was raised in the college world. Mike. Mike was a

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Speaker 3: ut guy man. I was a Florida guy, Okay, and

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Speaker 3: I was.

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Speaker 5: And so when Mike, the ultimate college guy, got the

555
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Speaker 5: got the Titans job when they started that, I thought, Okay, wow,

556
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Speaker 5: college guy made it to he's doing the NFL stuff.

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Speaker 3: I was the same way Mark.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I was the guy that always covered the

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Speaker 5: Gators and did all those years on Touchdown Radio. So

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Speaker 5: so I always thought, in the back of my mind

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Speaker 5: when Bob Castling got out, Mike would be in.

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Speaker 3: Play if he chose to be.

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Speaker 5: I always believed that, Okay, and I didn't know when

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Speaker 5: Bob Castling, when Bob was a terrific broadcaster, and I

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Speaker 5: didn't when Bob was going to get out, but I

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Speaker 5: always believed if Mike chose, I don't know if he'd

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Speaker 5: get it. But I always Mike such a good broadcaster,

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Speaker 5: such a good person in such a Tennessee vall, that

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Speaker 5: I always believed when Bob Castling got out, Mike would

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Speaker 5: have the the in the mix. He'd be in the mix.

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Speaker 5: So I was not surprised when it happened, and I

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Speaker 5: was super happy for our friend Mike.

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Speaker 6: I really was, and you know, from a from a

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Speaker 6: local angle here in Indiana. You know these brands, you know,

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Speaker 6: SEC Brands, Big ten brands, they are enormous brands. Indiana, Purdue,

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Speaker 6: Notre Dame.

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Speaker 3: Around here. There's a guy.

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Speaker 6: Locally that I grew up just idolizing and Don Fisher.

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Speaker 6: Don Fisher does I you basketball and I you football

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Speaker 6: and has literally done it for fifty years, Like that's

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Speaker 6: not I mean literally five decades. He was, you know,

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Speaker 6: there with the Bob Knight era, called the seventy six

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Speaker 6: team the perfect undefeated team, and called the eighty seven

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Speaker 6: Keith smart shot. I mean, so, I mean these are icons,

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Speaker 6: and so I sort of understood it from that standpoint.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we do NFL games, and I think it's

587
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Speaker 6: the biggest brand, But don't downplay how big these fan

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Speaker 6: bases are and how big the those broadcasts are, how

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Speaker 6: important they are to people in terms of how they

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Speaker 6: consume their fandom in these markets. So I was really

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Speaker 6: happy for Mike and didn't have any heads up on it.

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Speaker 6: I was surprised by it, you know, surprised by it,

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Speaker 6: like a lot of people. But you know, it's it's

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Speaker 6: great opportunity for him. He's going to be doing different things.

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Speaker 6: It's going to be a different challenge and sometimes you

596
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Speaker 6: just have to go home, right And and that's where

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Speaker 6: it all kind of started for Mike, and I think

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Speaker 6: we can kind of understand that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he got a heroes welcome there too.

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Speaker 1: The videos they set up, the way they launched it

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Speaker 1: on social media was real special for Mike. Keith going

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Speaker 1: to be the voice of the Tennessee Volunteers and you know,

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Speaker 1: people ask me about it, Hey, he's going to college.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: To your point, Matt, it's a huge brand. I really

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Speaker 1: don't think state you can't compare it to a lot

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Speaker 1: of other situations. I mean you can, but there's something

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Speaker 1: unique about that in particular.

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Speaker 6: And I really don't think in a lot of cases,

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's a step down. I don't know

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Speaker 6: if you guys would disagree with me.

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Speaker 3: I agree with that. I really don't think.

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Speaker 6: It's a step backwards because of how massive these fan

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Speaker 6: bases are. College is just different. Like people take that

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Speaker 6: it hits home a little bit more than than professional sports.

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Speaker 5: I think, well, I certainly think it's on par I

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Speaker 5: think I think if Dan Hord went from being the

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Speaker 5: Bengals guy to be in the Ohio State guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't see that as a as a demotion,

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Speaker 3: So I agree with you. I think it's on par

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Speaker 3: if the.

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Speaker 2: Brand is big enough. You know, I'm in Texas.

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Speaker 1: So if I went to the University of Texas became

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Speaker 1: voice of the Texans and then UT came calling, you know,

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Speaker 1: I can't even feel that way because I didn't go there,

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Speaker 1: so I don't have that draw and different. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I went to Boston University. If they wanted me to

628
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Speaker 1: come back and do hockey because it's a hockey school,

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Speaker 1: I would say no because I have my dream job.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And I understand the huge nature of these college brands.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 1: I was at the University of Miami. But when I

634
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Speaker 1: was at Miami, we were awesome, right, won the national

635
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Speaker 1: championship at all one, But the job wasn't as big

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Speaker 1: as say Texas or A and M or one of

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Speaker 1: those places.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's an interesting dynamic that he goes from the NFL

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Speaker 1: to there. But I think he's done enough with the Titans.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing left for him to achieve, if you will,

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Speaker 1: other than a Super Bowl championship. Doesn't look like that's

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. Very soon. But he went to a super

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Speaker 1: Bowl and called the Music City Miracle and now he

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Speaker 1: gets to go home.

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Speaker 5: As you said, Frank, Yeah, and I think too. I

647
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 5: think Matt and Mike and I grew up with some

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Speaker 5: college stuff.

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Speaker 3: In our veins. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Matt grew up an Indiana guy. Yeah, Mike grew up

651
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 5: a Tennessee guy. I grew up a Florida guy. So

652
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 5: we we kind of that's how we were. We grew

653
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 5: up with it in our veins.

654
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Speaker 3: Man.

655
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Speaker 5: You know. So that's so where whereas you you worked

656
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 5: in the Northeast, Yeah, you know, so it's a little different.

657
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 2: So it's a lot different.

658
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, as far as college football goes, it's totally different.

659
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: And you know, I love I love college basketball, and

660
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: I still get the chance to do that from time

661
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: to time and through throughout my time with the Texans,

662
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: I've done some Westwood want and CAA tournament stuff and

663
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: things like that. I love college basketball. But we all know, boys,

664
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: there's nothing like Sunday afternoon.

665
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 3: No, that's right, Yeah, that's right.

666
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 6: And and again I think that, you know, I'm not

667
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 6: I don't want to speak for Mike, but it's like

668
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 6: kind of it.

669
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Speaker 3: It goes back to what you were talking about.

670
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 6: You know, you've been there for twenty six years, and

671
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 6: it's not the been there, done that, but it's just,

672
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 6: you know, you want a new challenge, right You're at

673
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 6: the point of you're career where you're very much established

674
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 6: and you want to say, hey, I did everything that

675
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 6: I wanted to do throughout my career, haven't been able

676
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 6: to do this. Let's embrace this challenge and let's see

677
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 6: how successful we can be at doing something I've always

678
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 6: wanted to do.

679
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Speaker 1: The one thing about college that I didn't like. And

680
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: you know, being with Miami was awesome the three years

681
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: I was there, but there were games where we went

682
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: in knowing we're not going to lose, right, you know

683
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: you're not going to lose today. I know appal Asian

684
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: State beat Michigan and we have upsets from time to time,

685
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: and they beat the Aggies too, for that matter, not

686
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: so long ago. But the point is this, in the NFL,

687
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: every Sunday is a death trap. Three hours of amazing drama.

688
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 3: It's an event.

689
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: You just can't beat it. Because I don't know how

690
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: you guys feel.

691
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Speaker 1: We can get into the rest of the conversation now,

692
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,239
Speaker 1: but We had so many games this year where you

693
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: go in, you don't know what's going to happen. You

694
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: go in and this epic drama unfolds in front of you,

695
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: and it's amazing to be a part of it.

696
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: Win or lose, but obviously rather win.

697
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, it's like a

698
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: movie was creat like The Godfather Part two just played

699
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: out right in front of us, live in real time.

700
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: And now we're done with that one and we look

701
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: forward to next week. It's an incredible show.

702
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can tell you this, huse me, Matt. Last

703
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 5: year Jags weren't very good. Why we have coaching changes changes,

704
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 5: But the Jags were four and thirteen. Ten of those losses,

705
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 5: ten of them decide to your point about the movie

706
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 5: and the end of the movie, ten of those losses,

707
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 5: the deciding play was either made or not made in

708
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 5: the last.

709
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 3: Minute eighteen of the game.

710
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 5: You realize that the last minute eighteen of the game

711
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 5: in ten of those thirteen losses. Now more times than not,

712
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 5: the Jags didn't make the play, which is why they're

713
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 5: four and thirteen. But to your point about a movie

714
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 5: script and ending at the demu, MA, I mean it

715
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 5: really happened.

716
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 6: That way well, and also going back to what you

717
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 6: were talking about, Mark, it is truly an event. I mean,

718
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 6: I'm sure people in Jacksonville and Houston and all over

719
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 6: Texas are like people here, but they plan when they

720
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 6: go to the grocery store on Sunday right to make

721
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 6: sure they are ais ais is ass in seat by

722
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 6: one o'clock to watch the Colts. Right, it's still I mean,

723
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 6: obviously the cults are on troubling times here, haven't won

724
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 6: a division since twenty fourteen, but it's still that important

725
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 6: to people. It's still the biggest thing in town. And

726
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 6: the NFL is king because it's once a week. One

727
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 6: NFL game is like sixteen Major League Baseball games in

728
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 6: terms of significance and consequences. Right, It's not like the NBA.

729
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 6: You don't have load management. I mean, all of these games,

730
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 6: like you were saying, Frank, they all come down to

731
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 6: the wire. Parody is king. And that's why the NFL

732
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 6: never goes away. I mean, we just played the Super

733
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 6: Bowl two weeks ago, and here we are again on

734
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 6: Radio row, and two weeks after this we're gonna have

735
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 6: free agency. It never goes away. So NFL truly is king.

736
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 6: But I think right there's still college football, and that's

737
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 6: sort of the marrying of this event is the college

738
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 6: guys in the NFL coming together.

739
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: College is literally the second most popular sport in the country.

740
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: There's NFL football than college football, that's right. Yeah, and

741
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: that's based on the TV ratings, the attention, the attendance

742
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: and all of that. So everyone's gonna have a chance

743
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: to throw questions around. So let me ask you, Frank,

744
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: biggest as Dan Horde, voice of the Bengals, just walks by.

745
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: He's not part of the AFC South Voices round table, Frank,

746
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: biggest story for the Jaguars in twenty twenty five as

747
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: you look ahead, I know you have coaching change GM,

748
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: but Boselli running the show.

749
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: But what's the biggest story?

750
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 5: Ken Liam Cohen, who did such magical work with Baker

751
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 5: Mayfield last year, unlock what's still in there with Trevor Lawrence.

752
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 5: I think that story one, two and three.

753
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 3: Mark.

754
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 5: I think, listen, there's a lot of areas they've got

755
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 5: to get better. They lost thirteen games. That means there's

756
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 5: some personnel issues. I think they've achieved and they're continuing

757
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 5: to achieve. That whole alignment thing. I think what Tony

758
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 5: has done is the leader Tony, Liam, James Gladstone together.

759
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 5: I think that's gonna work. I believe in my heart

760
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 5: they're gonna be on the same page. They're gonna be

761
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 5: pulling in the same direction, which hasn't always been the case.

762
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 5: So I think that part's gonna happen. But can they

763
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 5: unlock Trevor Lawnce. You know the league when if you

764
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 5: have the quarterback, if it's going right, then you're winning.

765
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 5: Matt knows it better than anybody. Nobody's had better quarterback

766
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 5: combination than Peyton Manning Andrew Luck. But when you don't

767
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 5: have it, you're scrambling to find it. And for ten

768
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 5: years the Colts have been scrambling to find it. And

769
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 5: I almost speak for Matt, but I think that's probably

770
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 5: close and agreed. Okay, And so unlocking Trevor Lawrence because

771
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 5: I think Trevor's I think it's all there. I believe

772
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 5: in my heart it's all there. I believe most quarterbacks

773
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 5: are good their best from years five through ten or eleven,

774
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 5: and he's about to start year five. That's the storyline.

775
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 5: Can Trevor Lawrence take the next step by far the

776
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 5: biggest storyline absolutely, what.

777
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Speaker 2: Do you think for the Colts?

778
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 6: The storyline is quarterback, and it's about getting Anthony Richardson

779
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 6: to a point where you know, he doesn't have to

780
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 6: be an elite quarterback, but he has to be middle tier.

781
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 6: You know, we were talking yesterday, Frank that you know,

782
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 6: Anthony Richardson last year completed forty seven percent of his

783
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 6: passes and that was last in the NFL in terms

784
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 6: of completion percentage, last in passer rating and QBR. I mean,

785
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 6: those things are not shocking to anybody if you watched

786
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 6: the Colts play last year. But what is sort of

787
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 6: alarming is that if you look at all the qualified

788
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 6: quarterbacks from a season ago, there were forty of them.

789
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 6: In terms of pass attempts. You know, guys that qualified

790
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 6: out of the forty thirty eight of them completed at

791
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 6: least sixty percent of their passes. Richardson's at forty seven, right,

792
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 6: So you're asking him to complete or improve thirteen plus

793
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 6: points to be third worst. Okay, So he's working this

794
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 6: offseason with a gentleman by the name of Chris Hess

795
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 6: throwing coach. Passing guru is the same guy that worked

796
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 6: with Josh Allen when he had his big jump from

797
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 6: the year two to year three in terms of efficiency

798
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 6: and passer rating and things like that, So that part

799
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 6: is encouraging. You know, last year was very up and down,

800
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 6: both on and off the field. Right he had the benching,

801
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 6: and you know, there was a disconnect between the preparation

802
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 6: and what the Colts thought they needed out of him

803
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 6: and what they were getting, and so there was a

804
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 6: lack of communication between the front office and the quarterback.

805
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 6: So I think they have that cleared up a little bit.

806
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 6: Everybody's on the same page there. But he's going to

807
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 6: have to come in and like we talked about, he's

808
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 6: going to have to prove it. He's going into year

809
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 6: number three, which is a big year in terms of

810
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 6: first round drafted quarterbacks because after the third year he

811
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 6: got that fifth year option. So if they commit to that,

812
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 6: that's essentially two more years of a financial commitment to

813
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 6: Anthony Richardson. Quite frankly, they just have to figure out

814
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 6: who he is, how good he can be. You know,

815
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 6: how serious is he going to take this in terms

816
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 6: of leadership and trying to get better. You know, right now,

817
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 6: he's really good at a couple of things. He's a

818
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 6: good running quarterback, he's a good deep ball thrower, but

819
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 6: everything in the intermediate part of the passing game got

820
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 6: to get way better, right, There's no question about that.

821
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 6: So they're going to bring in competition for him in

822
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 6: the offseason. To what degree that looks like, I don't know,

823
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 6: because you know they're going to explore all the options

824
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 6: free agency, trades, draft, but we know what free agency

825
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 6: looks like for quarterbacks. It's traditionally not all that great.

826
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: Yep.

827
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 6: The draft this year for quarterbacks isn't all that great,

828
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 6: but they're steadfast. They're going to bring in somebody to

829
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 6: push him, and it's going to be a legitimate competition.

830
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 6: The best man is going to win. And that has

831
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 6: nothing to do with Anthony Richardson being drafted fourth overall

832
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 6: like he was in twenty twenty three.

833
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: How about the Texans? That's true big store.

834
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: The biggest story is does new offensive coordinator Nick Caley

835
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: make the big jump for this offense help them make

836
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: the big jump that they need getting back to and

837
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: beyond where they were in twenty twenty three in the

838
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: first year with CJ Strout. I think CJ Strout is fine.

839
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: He needs obviously better protection because he was sacked a lot.

840
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: Needs to get the ball out faster in some instances,

841
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: is there a guy open to get the ball out

842
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: to all those things, It's up to Kelley to solve

843
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: those problems. I always liking it to this. He's the

844
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: head coach of the offense. He got Demiko Ryans the

845
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: head coach, and he's coaching the defense with Matt Burke

846
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: the coordinator. But the head coach of the offense is

847
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: Nick Kelly. Was Bobby Slowan, Now it's Nick Kelly. You

848
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: gotta drive this ship. New o line coach who was

849
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: an assistant Cole Popovich to Chris Strasser, the then offensive

850
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: line coach. They got to put that all together and

851
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: push it forward. Because they dropped ten spots in yards

852
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: per game and other categories. They were not good on offense.

853
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: Got to run the ball better. Mix It looked really good,

854
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: had a thousand yards, looked really good. But you need

855
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: consistent pounding of the ball to make that offense work.

856
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a little bit different, a hybrid

857
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and I think they'll run down hill more.

858
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: It'll be fun to watch, and I think Stroud is

859
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: the real deal, no question about it. I know everyone's

860
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: say he took a step back. Look, the season was

861
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: not as shiny as twenty twenty three, but he's the

862
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: start quarterback on a ten win team, and he made

863
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: some big plays when they had to have them. Didn't

864
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: make every play, but I'll take his play over a

865
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: lot of other guys. And in the playoff game, he

866
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: made some monster plays. I don't know if you remember.

867
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: He dropped the snap, rolled around the right side, hits

868
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: Xavier Hutchinson, big first down, just turns the whole game round.

869
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: Next drive, has a big scramble for twenty seven yards

870
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: to get him in the field goal range. Those kinds

871
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: of things he took the team, put it on his back. Yeah,

872
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 1: and he's he's got to run the ball a little

873
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: bit more. I think we all agree quarterbacks in this

874
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: league you got to run the ball on occasion. You

875
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: don't have to be Lamar Jackson. You don't have to

876
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: be one of these guys who just runs all of it.

877
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: You don't have to be jailing Hurts for that matter.

878
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: But you gotta take it on the ground every once

879
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: in a while to get that big first down, keep

880
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: the chains moving well.

881
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 5: The game's changed to that game. The game has changed

882
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 5: to that. I mean there's no statues anymore. Statues can't

883
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 5: win anymore. With the RPO and spreading the field horizontally,

884
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 5: all the spread stuff, quarterbacks all have to run a

885
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 5: little bit. It'll be very We all three answered that

886
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 5: question about quarterback development. And I and I told Matt

887
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 5: this yesterday. Matt and I did each other's shows. I

888
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 5: it's you and Mark Mark, you and I did. I

889
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 5: told matth this yesterday, and I really believe this. I

890
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 5: would be surprised and I want to be surprised if

891
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 5: Anthony makes it. And I watched him at Florida two

892
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 5: things couldn't stay on the field and wasn't very accurate.

893
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 5: And he's the one I know people that I know

894
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 5: was passing coach back then. And he's a wonderful kid,

895
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 5: and he's real respected the game, grew up in the

896
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 5: games of a community, and it's nice to everybody.

897
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 3: I don't know what your experience is.

898
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 5: He's a wonderful Yeah, he really is, and it's hard

899
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 5: not to root for him on so many fronts. But

900
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 5: but I don't know. I told Matt this. He he

901
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 5: wasn't accurate and he was hurt a lot, and that

902
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 5: was the question. And I don't know, so I'll be

903
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 5: interesting to see what the Colts do. I think CJ.

904
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 5: Stroud is going to be fantastic. I think I think

905
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 5: he was fantastic obviously two years ago everyone said he

906
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 5: had a drop off last year. His stats can lie

907
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 5: a little bit. The times I saw him, he was

908
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 5: poised in the pocket, he was accurate. You know, the

909
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 5: game changed a little bit. I think he's gonna be fantastic.

910
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 6: Well, you mentioned running the football by quarterbacks. That is

911
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 6: the franchise dilemma with the Colts, right, because Anthony Richardson

912
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 6: has been injured four times, or has had experienced four

913
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 6: different injuries, plus the benching for two games, So if

914
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 6: you add it all up, he's only played fifteen games.

915
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 3: In two years.

916
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 6: That is rough, right, And you talk about all the

917
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 6: inexperience that he had coming into the NFL. Right, only

918
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 6: played thirteen games at Florida. He just needs to play.

919
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 6: And that's why I go back to what I said earlier.

920
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 6: They have to figure out the book on Anthony Richardson.

921
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 6: What is he? What can he be? Where can he

922
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 6: get better? Can we continue to build around him? It's

923
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 6: such an important position, you know that. I think the

924
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 6: Colts have had a really good roster, really good nucleus.

925
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 6: But you know, dating back to Andrew Lux's retirement on

926
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 6: August twenty fourth, twenty nineteen. But hey, who's counting? And

927
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 6: I will always shareish say they mean goes without saying.

928
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 6: They have been in search with you know, free agent

929
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 6: quarterbacks and veterans, plug and play guys. And you know

930
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 6: the Carson Wentz thing didn't work. Now Anthony Richardson is

931
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 6: still developing. That's why the Colts haven't. We talked about

932
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 6: this yesterday, Frank. They've never truly bottomed out, right, They've

933
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 6: been close. They're the definition of NFL purgatory.

934
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: Right.

935
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: There's some of our AFC South voices of the game,

936
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: with the play by play voices of the AFC South

937
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 1: Teams conversation coming up. Best of Dimico from this week.

938
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: Let's get to it next time Texans Radio final segment.

939
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: Not a lot of time, so let's get right to it.

940
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,479
Speaker 1: Dimiko rans I promised. Best of Here are a couple

941
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: of cuts sort of back to back in the interview

942
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: that we did with Dimiko at the Combine, and the

943
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: first one is a response to the question Johnny asked

944
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: about how things have evolved and changed for him and

945
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: this is really interesting. And the second one is at

946
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: Breaking News. I asked him about training camp and stuff

947
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: like that because airing minds want to know. And here

948
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: is that segment of the segment we did with Demiko,

949
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: which is also available on YouTube and in podcast form.

950
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 7: When I first started out, we had scouts, and we

951
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 7: had probably different schemes and guys were looking for different things.

952
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 7: You know, there may have been things that were more

953
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 7: important to other staffs that weren't so important to me.

954
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 7: So I just love how you know, Nick and Lipford

955
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 7: and the staff, the scouting staff. It's kind of I

956
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 7: see the language shifting in how we're talking about players, right,

957
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 7: I see like that that common you know, that common

958
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 7: language amongst how we coach our players, what we're asking

959
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 7: them to do. I started to see that show up

960
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 7: in their reports and how they talk about player or hey,

961
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 7: this is a swarm player, this isn't a Demiko guy

962
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 7: or and you started to see that and it's like,

963
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 7: oh man, they understand like what we're looking for.

964
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 8: So it's so much easier now to know the.

965
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 7: Type of players we want and know who to Hey,

966
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 7: we probably need to stay away from this guy at

967
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 7: this point in time.

968
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 3: He's not the guy for us.

969
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 8: So just seeing.

970
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 7: That that come together so quickly, all right, that's been

971
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 7: the cool part about the team building.

972
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 8: This is just such a more smooth.

973
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 7: Transition, I would say this year, just in the interviews

974
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 7: and everything, like, it's just these guys done an unbelievable

975
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 7: job of just picking up the speed on how I talk,

976
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 7: how communicated guys and guys I'm looking for.

977
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: All right, So what event do you like better? This

978
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: or the NFL annual meeting, which is very different. Right,

979
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: this is everybody in the league, as far as assistant

980
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: coaches and front office people and all of that, and

981
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: you're running to people in the halls. It's like a

982
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: who's who, it's a convention, it's a reunion of sorts.

983
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: What do you think?

984
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is more This is more cool. For that reason.

985
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 7: I can run into a lot of you know, some

986
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 7: of my former co workers, guys that worked within the

987
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 7: past at different spots, old teammates I've seen. So it's

988
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 7: it's cool because you're going to run into somebody you

989
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 7: haven't seen in a long time, and it's going to

990
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 7: be that reunion to annual meeting is a.

991
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 8: Little more like yeah, very more formal.

992
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 7: And if you're not anybody black time quarter zip, I

993
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 7: like the quarter zip.

994
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good.

995
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:12,959
Speaker 2: Coach.

996
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: I know you're still planning a lot of things for

997
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: the offseason. In the preseason. Last year of the Hall

998
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: of Fame game and a long preseason all that camp.

999
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: This year more of a normal up, put out an

1000
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: air quotes camp or is it? What are you thinking

1001
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: here as far as where we sit right now as

1002
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: far as your summer plans, because I know you like

1003
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: these joint practices if you can put something together for sure.

1004
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 7: We're still working through getting a joint practice. You know,

1005
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 7: there could be potential of going to Detroit and having

1006
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 7: some joint practices there. Uh So, a lot of a

1007
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 7: lot of things, are you know, talking to the head

1008
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 7: Coach's why it's good to be here and talk with

1009
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 7: head coach and see.

1010
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 8: Who is up for the joint practice.

1011
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 7: And I like to do the joint practices in the

1012
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,959
Speaker 7: second or third before the second or third preseason game,

1013
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 7: not so much the first one.

1014
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 8: I want to just you know, I think guys.

1015
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 7: Aren't ready by that first preseason game to do joint practices.

1016
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 7: So we'll be on our own in Houston hopefully may

1017
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 7: we may move around a little bit.

1018
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 8: It's steal a lot of discussions. Sometimes it's for me.

1019
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 7: I'm trying to run from the heat as much as

1020
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 7: i can. It's because I know how taxing it is

1021
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 7: on our players.

1022
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: Okay, and as far as Gup might say, that's all

1023
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: we have to say about that, because the head coach

1024
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: did talk more, and you can catch that stuff on

1025
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: YouTube and in podcast form wherever you get your podcasts,

1026
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: and this entire show as well. I just thought the

1027
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: training camp thing was interesting. We all love training camp

1028
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: at the Houston Methodist Training Center, but the team also

1029
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: needs some time to be away from the heat like

1030
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: they got last year in Cleveland, and they've done from

1031
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: time to time visiting other places. So we'll see how

1032
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: they scheduled that. As I said, this entire show in

1033
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: podcast forms soon enough. Area forty five in full form next.

1034
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Speaker 1: Don't miss a second of that. Thanks so much for

1035
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: listening all week. Thanks so much for listening all week.

1036
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: More Combine content coming your way next week as we

1037
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 1: get back in the Hyundai Texans Radio Studio.

1038
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Speaker 2: Have a great night, great weekend. Go Texans.