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Speaker 1: This is kJ Live with Chris john Sillis and Chris

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Speaker 1: is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and

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Speaker 1: entertainment industry. Now here's Chris Johnson. You're now keeping k

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Speaker 1: J Live. Today's very special guest on this shows a

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Speaker 1: man I've known converting my entire life. He is a

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Speaker 1: big reason I'm the person I am today, the basketball

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Speaker 1: player and the human being. Please welcome in. Crinshaw High

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Speaker 1: School Varsity boys basketball head coach Ed Waters is in

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Speaker 1: the building. What's up? Hey, what forever? Let's go? Man. Hey, Hey, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I've been so glad to um have you on. People

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Speaker 1: don't know this, but we actually recorded pilot years ago

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Speaker 1: before podcasting was a bad me you Marcus, we were

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Speaker 1: remember that whole thing, but we recorded Hey the back

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Speaker 1: garage man, So we've been at this thing for a while.

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Speaker 1: But but I wanted to bring you on the show,

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Speaker 1: and because you know, I want to just talk about

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Speaker 1: in the beginning, just sort of how you got in

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Speaker 1: fell in love with the game. That's a lot of

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Speaker 1: the times I want to get people's respectives about the

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Speaker 1: foundations and the roots and why they chose this path.

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Speaker 1: We're a different breed basketball people. And so if you

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Speaker 1: could just expand on that force a little bit. What

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Speaker 1: started you off? Man? You know, to be quite honest

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Speaker 1: with you, Uh, my family moved to the West Side,

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Speaker 1: and the first thing I found out was that there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of a lot of sports going on,

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Speaker 1: a lot of athletes. I haven't had experienced that. And

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Speaker 1: we used to play. They used to play in the

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Speaker 1: alley over off of Vaness backboard on a garage. And

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Speaker 1: the problem from me us I was a left hander

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Speaker 1: who didn't have any skills. It's the worst combination ever.

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Speaker 1: No skills. Come on, no I had I had no skills.

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Speaker 1: It was the worst combination ever. So because I didn't

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Speaker 1: back there by myself. I was my own first personal trainer,

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Speaker 1: um and so uh. And as time went on and evolved,

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Speaker 1: I started getting picked. I become became the number one pick.

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Speaker 1: And when you're young like that, trying to guard a

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Speaker 1: left handers really really tough. People don't really figure out

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Speaker 1: what you can do. And so that part in terms

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Speaker 1: of player UH got me involved. And then I was

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Speaker 1: in a great vortex. I began to learn the game

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Speaker 1: between van as Park out of Bony Elementary and UH

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Speaker 1: and and Rancho Park and between those parts, this is

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Speaker 1: where I fell in love with the game. Who are

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Speaker 1: some of the contemporaries, some of your contemporaries, some of

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Speaker 1: the athletes that you came up with. I know, my

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Speaker 1: dad tells stories. I know if I think back into

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Speaker 1: that eventually, you know, made something out of themselves. On

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Speaker 1: the leg side. Who were some of the contemporaries that

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Speaker 1: you were competing against at that time? Well, you know

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Speaker 1: they were at UH coming up to Audubon Junior High

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Speaker 1: the beautiful jump shot I had ever seen was Luther

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Speaker 1: Phil y'all who played in Loyal and he had a body,

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Speaker 1: who eventually played at Crenshaw and had a brother, Eddie

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Speaker 1: Johnson was the master of ceremonies that Autuba. He he

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Speaker 1: I have to tell you, Chris that the open run

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Speaker 1: greatest run today for me ever, because you're now just

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Speaker 1: and coming home in the summer, uh and getting and

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Speaker 1: you guys call your own fouls? What score did you

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Speaker 1: atmosphere pick up basketball back there? The atmosphere was that, uh,

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Speaker 1: So now you're talking about out, you're going to nine,

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Speaker 1: of that. But it wasn't did he get violent at

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Speaker 1: all that were there fights back then? Or how did that?

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Speaker 1: How do how does this stuff handled? Back then? It

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Speaker 1: was It wasn't violent, but you had stuff like don't

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Speaker 1: and then and then and then you know, people would

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Speaker 1: no violence. Yeah, that's great, that's great to know, because, um,

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Speaker 1: always wondered about this. What is the origin of the

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Speaker 1: nickname Bosco? At the time, there was a h an

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Speaker 1: You don't have a real throw your bossco Hey, but

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Speaker 1: Bosco was legendary. Man. I remember your game early on,

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Speaker 1: But interesting enough, the basketball swag was still going on

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Speaker 1: because people like Kenny Tyler red Gonzaga University, and so

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00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: the great days that we had there. I remember how

429
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: guys the hawk guys baby, and I remember having to

430
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: talk with you and I was I remember telling you

431
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: that that because nobody could really guard you because your side.

432
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: But I remember telling you that if you learn this

433
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: footwork on the inside, your game on the outside is

434
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: gonna be that. And you know, one of one of

435
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: your one of your your skills is footwork. UH. And

436
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: I take it all the way back to that, because

437
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: you were playing inside with us. I wouldn't let you

438
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: play outside. You weren't shooting any Jimmy, we're going, We're

439
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: going to the hall. UH. And from ole wood Y

440
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: m c A. A coach saw me there UH at

441
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: Washington and asked me to come over and coach the freshman.

442
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: I coached the freshman there and we won the league.

443
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: Crenshaw was in the league. We we uh, we we

444
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: won the league. I then connected with UH. With Crenshaw,

445
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 1: I coach with coach West for a couple of years.

446
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: And I left there and I got an assistance job

447
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: in Central Washington University in Ohio UH and Central State,

448
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: Central State, I mean, I'm sorry, Central State University. Yeah.

449
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: Uh and Uh Kevin Porter, who used to play in

450
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: the league was the head coach at the time, and

451
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: so I got that experience. Then I came back uh,

452
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: and I got with UH. I came back, I got

453
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: with Crenshall for a second stint. I would end up

454
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: doing three stints with West. So after my second stint

455
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: with Coach West, I went and took over at Jefferson

456
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: High School on the east side, and I couldn't get

457
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: any of my boys to come over there and help me.

458
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: I said, hey, man, I'm over on the other side

459
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: of Hooper. They can say in Hooper it's Hooper. But

460
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: I went over there and Chris. What we did over

461
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: there energized the entire community. Football was kind of the

462
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: thing over there. I had guys from the community playing ball,

463
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: and uh, I never I never forget. Crenchyall came to

464
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: jeff to play and they had, you know, Marcus Williams,

465
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: all the six six guys, and Uh, I heard it halftime,

466
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: Coach West went into his guys because we're only down there.

467
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: We we we're down only by three, only by three,

468
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: And they told me Coach West was going banana. So

469
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: I had a great time over there, and then I

470
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,719
Speaker 1: left Jeff and came back over to Crenshaw. Uh with

471
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: with with coach, and eventually after you left, I took

472
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: over the head coaching position. Well if your first stint,

473
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: I believe that Crenshaw was with me, right, that was

474
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: our was that our era of yes? Yeah? Yeah, and

475
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: so that that that era because I had been in

476
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: Montclaire prep um, you know, I had. I was in Montclair.

477
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: Then I went to Italy and you know, I got

478
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: held back over in Italy and come back and repeat

479
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: the aid go here and go there. So I'm everywhere.

480
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: But then my dad, you know, he's like, why don't

481
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: you go to Crenshaw. I guess because Bob Webb, my

482
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: coach at Montclaire was retiring low key and so we

483
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: weren't really rolling with the next staff that we're coming

484
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: was coming in. So my dad at breakfast one morning,

485
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: just you know, comes up with this question kind of

486
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: you know, over pancakes, you know, what do you think

487
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: about transferring to Crenshaw, And I'm just I was just

488
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: kind like huh like, uh, I was, I don't know,

489
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: I've been chilling in bell Air. I was. I was

490
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: over at Montclair Prep for the last couple of years.

491
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: So I was kind of, you know, a little hesitant

492
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: about the Shaw. It wasn't It wasn't until he took

493
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: me down to the run. Uh where I got where

494
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: I got the hoop against them guys in the small gym,

495
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: and where I realized, like yo, I could really play

496
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: on this level. And you know, I decided to make

497
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: the move. Eventually, you know, we had a relationous run

498
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: at the Shaw. I wanted to ask you what was

499
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,239
Speaker 1: your favorite memory of that first season together when we

500
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: were at Crenshaw. We we ended up winning state, finished

501
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,719
Speaker 1: number five in the country. What was your favorite memory

502
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: of that season? Well, first I have to add in

503
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: that you should know that I was over Southwest College

504
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: at the time with with Joe week Uh and he

505
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: you know and uh and he didn't have a gym,

506
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: so it's practice as were at Crenshall. But I had

507
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: that job and Joe weakly told Southwest even though there

508
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: wasn't a position, they had to find a position for me.

509
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: And so it was my first paid coaching position. But

510
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: then you, Tremaine and Rico decided you were going to

511
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: Crunchhall and we're all being together a triple threat. I

512
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: left a paying job to come. I didn't realize that.

513
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I didn't know that I left

514
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: a paying job because because of you, guys, and and

515
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: and it started with you, you know, and then the

516
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: rest of them was apoll up. But I left a

517
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: paying job to come with that. So that that's gonna

518
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: be a great memory, just that process. But you know,

519
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: your lay up, I mean it, it's still there. You

520
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: just see it happening, you know, you know, I gotta

521
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: tell you, man, you're your desire to be the best

522
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: and your passion is something I experence. It's still like

523
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: at the top three of my stuff in terms of guys,

524
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 1: because and and the craziest thing about you, which is

525
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: its super funny to me, it's like you did not

526
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: care if you were going to take every single freaking shot.

527
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: You cared about nobody, and I mean you, you had

528
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: no sympathy for nobody. You felt that you needed to

529
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: take every shot. And if you were gunning and they

530
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: were telling you, hey, you wouldn't hear none of that

531
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: next shot. But because of that, you were already always

532
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: ready for the big shot. Facts if you're get ready

533
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: for it, whine because that's how you treated it. I

534
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: can score or anytime, I'm gonna do that, and I

535
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: don't care how you guys feel, man. So that that

536
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: right there is another great memory for me, that passion

537
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: that lay up and that whole city. You can't you

538
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: can't single out anything with that first year because so

539
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: much happened, you know, so you know, Theermaine focus is there,

540
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: Rico is there. Rico I eventually we get up the

541
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: Central State to play before he went to Fresno. So

542
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff going on there. It's just

543
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: that whole time. It's just a great, great experience for me.

544
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean that that was some of the

545
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: best time times in my life. Um, being at Crenshaw

546
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: for those two years, you know, just being immersed in

547
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: that Crenshaw culture, being you know, just that that whole thing,

548
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: rolling on the Shaw South sit trial. I mean it

549
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: was it was like so much fun. But the thing

550
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: that stands out for me, um, was just how hard

551
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: every thing was, Just how difficult, how taxing mentally and

552
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: physically practice was, our workouts are preseason conditioning. I mean,

553
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: it was the hardest thing I had ever experienced. I

554
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: literally my body. People don't remember this, but I actually

555
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: transformed my body during that training camp. I was if

556
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: you remember, like my first game against Garfield, if you remember,

557
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: I had to wear the short shorts. But I looked

558
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: back at those pictures. I looked back at those pictures.

559
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, I was in kind of decent shape.

560
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: But I didn't even realize. I didn't even realize it

561
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: because we were just I was just like waking up, like,

562
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: oh man, I got this ship today, like whoa. Because

563
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: we were we were running. We were run like three

564
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: miles and have to run the ridge. We'd come back,

565
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: come back to campus on the run, people in cars

566
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: following us and on the round was crazy. And and

567
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: then and then you remember, and then we get back

568
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: and we still gotta do more running, and we gotta

569
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: do callisthetics. We outside, we're doing publics, we're doing push us.

570
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: Coach Ducket got us on the jump ropes, We're doing

571
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: all types of stuff and that. And that's before it's

572
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: like three hours of stuff and then we go into

573
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: the gym and spend two hours on defense. It wasnbelievable.

574
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, I'm make no mistake about

575
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: it that those y'all coaches on that staff. It was

576
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: my It was the sickest coaching experience I ever had.

577
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: It was the most taxing and it got the most

578
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: out of me I had never been. I had never

579
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: gotten so much out of me. That's what I did

580
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: with y'all and that whole crew. You you Coach West,

581
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: coach Ducket, coach Stevenson, coach you know, it's like nine

582
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: ten coaching manner. It would come through, but the whole crew,

583
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: it was a whole crew of men coaches that were mentors.

584
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: And you guys were talking to us after every practice,

585
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: so it would be your time, or would be coach Step,

586
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: it would be coach Duet, so somebody be talking to

587
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: us every day. So we're just getting this this positive

588
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: role model, super duper reinforcement. Keep stay on the right path,

589
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: don't be doing no bs, don't be spooning up no

590
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: on the rail man. That that that stuff that y'all did,

591
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: and I looked back on it now, those talks and

592
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: that that level accountability, man, is a lot of reason

593
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: why a lot of us, a lot of us stayed

594
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: out of a lot of trouble. And it kind of

595
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: kept our head on straight. Man. I really appreciate you,

596
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: uh for for that time in my life especially. Um.

597
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: I also remember and you talked about my passion for

598
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: the game, and I'll tell you where I got it from.

599
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: My passion for the game was based on the competition,

600
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: the environment of competition that I grew up in around you,

601
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: my dad, when we're being there in the summers and

602
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: every dog on thing was a dog on competition. Remember

603
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: we do the off brand, I mean think we put

604
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: tea and we've been doing stuff outside I mean any game,

605
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: We've been doing all type of other sports. Hey, it

606
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: was about winning. So I always wanted to beat you.

607
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: So I played one on one. Remember the wooden said

608
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: that we got to the fight. What's I remember? You

609
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: like being on top of me? Like I didn't remember

610
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: that home, I'm on the floor, I think a third

611
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: teen trying to kick you or doing all type of stuff.

612
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: But all that to be said, all those days of

613
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: the Front are bell air, Um, you know Front driveway

614
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: one on one games, didn't running the hill together and

615
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: then we remember, I remember we used to hit the

616
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: dudes together and you made it. You just showed me

617
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: you can make it. All the way to the top.

618
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: You passed out though you you were like passed up

619
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: for like thirty seconds that came back, but you made

620
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: it all the way to the top. So it's like

621
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: all those things that I was privy to, and you guys,

622
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, we treated me like a brother. So I

623
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: was kind of involved in all that with y'all. That's

624
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: why I was so passionate about everything. Man. You guys

625
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: don't understand even at ingle one. Why going back to

626
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: that when you and my dad you talk about Bill

627
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: on Georgetown Dollar Bill, I still remember his game, dog

628
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: like I hold onto that like I held day Ron Bill,

629
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: like I held onto that. Like that drove me to

630
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: the level the level I gotta be back. I gotta

631
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: be nice for day Rod, I gotta be n for

632
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: Bill and so I So my career, I used to

633
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: treat things with the level of seriousness. So you know

634
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: every matchup I had, man, I was in there, it

635
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: was it was it was personal for me. Sometimes I

636
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: would go overboard, but my passion I was serious. Man,

637
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: I was serious. Man, I was definitely you were serious.

638
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: The word Oh lord, no, those are some good times, man.

639
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: Talk about just when coach West retired, Um and it

640
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: was a it was a process of trying to figure

641
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: out who the next coach was going to be. You're

642
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: involved in that. I just talking a little bit about

643
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: that process and how you felt when you were named

644
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: head coach at probably the most legendary program in high

645
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: school basketball. Well, the true thing about it is that

646
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: despite the fact that I came back over to Crunchhaw

647
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: uh for my third stint, kind of prior to it

648
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: was gonna happen. There wasn't this man, I want to

649
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: be the head coach at Crunshaw thing. What really was

650
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 1: happening was that there was an accreditation issue at that

651
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: was brought up at the school and I came to

652
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: a meeting, and when I learned about what it was

653
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: really about, the school was really actually on probation. West

654
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: Chester had been on probation too. That was not in

655
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: the news. We were in the news for because we're Crenshaw,

656
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: and that whole negative feel about where they were going

657
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: toward us was really really uh. It really got to

658
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: me and I asked Coach west if I could come back,

659
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: but for the first time in my third stent, he

660
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: didn't answer me like he normally did, and so fast forward.

661
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm kind of chilling and waiting to see, hey, am

662
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: I gonna get back here? And then he tells me

663
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 1: it was like a godfather saying, I met your dad's marriage.

664
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: We're in the Marina del Ray at that spot getting married,

665
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: and Coach West was there. And right after your dad,

666
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: you know, I married, Coach West said I'll see you

667
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: the jim on. Uh nice coach, just like that and

668
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: so and then moving into that, and then of course

669
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: a lot of speculation, uh start happening around, you know,

670
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: who was gonna be, you know, the next person and

671
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: all that, and I mean you have folks like you know,

672
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: John Williams applied. I remember they talked about how thick

673
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: of Adosier he turned in with all of his stuff,

674
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, of course, Maurice Duckett, who had been with

675
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 1: Coach all those years. I was coming off of what

676
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: was the only in the history of of l a

677
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: a j V championship, and we won a j V championship,

678
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: got you know, went down the city hall like we

679
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: were varsity, got acknowledged and we went, you know, twenty

680
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: six and old and so my and I was right there.

681
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: So that kind of had me in the midst, whether

682
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to or not, I was real prevalent. I

683
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: was right there as assistant. I had been there, and

684
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: so a lot of stuff was going on. And what

685
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: you know, what's crazy and all this, Chris, is that

686
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: people have so many opinions about this position, about evolution

687
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: of this position, and people tend to think, for some

688
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: reason that they have some greater passion than I do

689
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: about crunch Yall High School. This is my neighborhood. I

690
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: went forty two out of buying Crunchyall. I mean when

691
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: and Coach West found me and Crunchyall because there was

692
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: no y m c A building. Crunch Yall was a

693
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: y m c A on Saturday, and he saw me

694
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: playing on the side court and told somebody, I gotta

695
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: have that, little man. And so when people are acting like,

696
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, they're way more passionate about what happens here

697
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: and than me, I just look at it. But they

698
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,959
Speaker 1: don't understand my My roots go go go, way way back.

699
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: I don't talk about it. But it's interesting that that that,

700
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, what happened in that evolution, everybody had their

701
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: own coach. Everybody still has their own coach, but there's

702
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: things that's happened to me to let me know that

703
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: this is really where God wants me to be. I've

704
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: had you know, I had a health challenge and Gob said, no,

705
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: it's just the time out. You're rolling back, and uh

706
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: and here I am. Yeah, we're glad. You know that

707
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: was scary. Yeah, I don't think I talked to you.

708
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: I sent you a note, but I didn't talk to you.

709
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: But I'm really thankful you know you're straight after that

710
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: because I heard about that and it was like people

711
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: were like shoop. You know, it was like everybody was shook. Bro.

712
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, thank god. Fox Sports Radio

713
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716
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Speaker 1: R to listen live. Coach West Man, I mean, I'll

717
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: tell you I always wanted just to reminisce about and

718
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: just kind of give Coach West his flowers, just for

719
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: giving me that opportunity to Shaw, pushing me at Crenshaw,

720
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: holding me to a standard, not taking it easy on me,

721
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: and then making some tough decisions that you know, he

722
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: felt like probably was gonna teach me a lesson in

723
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: the long term about respecting authority. UM that I needed

724
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: to learn at that time in my life. You know,

725
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: my senior year, we're down in Myrtle Beach. We stopping McDonald's. Um,

726
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, they're the decree is no soda. So yeah, wait,

727
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: no soda. So I'm like, okay, cool, no soda. So

728
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: the whole team going to the McDonald's, this and that.

729
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: You know, I go get a high seat. You know,

730
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: it's not soda, it's not carbonated high seat, the orange drink.

731
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: And you know, Duckett, you know, Coach Duckett is like, y'all,

732
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: y'all what you're doing, take that, you know, throw that

733
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: away and this and that. And I'm like nah and

734
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: this and that. So coach ended up benching me and

735
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: ended up, um, you know, not being a good look

736
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: for me because of disciplinary problems I should have avoided.

737
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: But as I was so mad at him for a

738
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: while about that, especially through college, I felt like it

739
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: messed up by McDonald's game opportunity because we had all

740
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: them voters down there for Myrtle Beach and I just

741
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: had twenty one in the first game, and so I

742
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: was like, yo, I'm about the ball out. Um. But

743
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: when I look back on it and having had kids

744
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: and having you know, and you know and understand you

745
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: know about authority and and and telling, and when it's

746
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: respecting authority, it's like here, it's like period and so

747
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: and and I kind of came to Coach with that,

748
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: you know. I just and I just always appreciated Coach

749
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: West for just just the father fit, just the way

750
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: he welcomed me in because I was a little you know,

751
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: at first it was a little nerves nervous to be

752
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: at the show, but it was but he welcomed me

753
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: in and he treated me like one of his own.

754
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: So shout out to Coach West. And I just wanted

755
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: to give him flowers man just for his contributions to

756
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: the game. Man one of the greatest ever. Um. How

757
00:42:53,000 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: many years you've been at Crinshaw. When you think about it,

758
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: um at the Shaw and your track record, well, your

759
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: your career record, it's tough to follow alleged a legend

760
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: like Coach West. I mean you're talking about someone of

761
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: the one eight hundred games, sixteen city championships, I believe,

762
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: eight state championships. How do you reconcile following allegen. You know, um,

763
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: you know, following Coach West was gonna be a big deal.

764
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: I remember, Uh, I did a kind of gathering for

765
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: him that had kind of like five people there, a

766
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: lot of folks, and it was so funny because I'm

767
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: looking around and these are all of the people who

768
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: had so many opinions about who the next coach was

769
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: gonna be. I'm sitting there with them and I'm looking around.

770
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: And then I had an issue at that at that

771
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: event because everybody wanted to speak, and so I separated,

772
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: Like if you didn't go to the NBA, you couldn't

773
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: get on this mike, you know, And and so I

774
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: had so much stuff going on. But um, that has

775
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: been a challenge for uh, not only you know, me

776
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: as a coach, but for the players to in terms

777
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: of the expectations and so. But what we what I've

778
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: never done, is trying to make, you know, a lot

779
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: of excuses about you know, how we can succeed and

780
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: what we're able to do. You have to understand that

781
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: Coach West took over twenty eight years old. He was young,

782
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: and probably his kind of disciplined aspects came from being

783
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: in the South, from Texas because he you know, a

784
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: lot of his characteristics reminds me of my stepdad who

785
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: came from Houston, and you know, like it or not,

786
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: there's another level of accountability and family that goes on

787
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: in the South, and so Coach West. Uh. He was

788
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: a disciplinarian, he was organized. This is a weird thing,

789
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: but I just remember that he had great handwriting, probably

790
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: because mine is terrible. No, he did, I've seen it.

791
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: I he does. He had great penmanship, and that always

792
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: set up because it's him and my mother to have

793
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: some of the greatest penmanship. And I also think that

794
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: it's something that it's some it's something that's a part

795
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: of this it's a it's a something that's part of

796
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 1: their success and somehow I don't know how to explain it,

797
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: but that's that stuck out to me. But when he

798
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: took over, of course, the the the school was at

799
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: a great time civil rights and and the benefits of

800
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: civil rights were evolved. Tom Bradley, first black mayor of

801
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: l A was there. There was a lot of good

802
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: stuff going on and then had you know, your pick

803
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: of a litter from kids that were there, you know,

804
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 1: And so his background in spending time at John Muir

805
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: Joe weekly, being at UH, at Dinker Park UH and

806
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: crunch y'all High UH erecting itself. A lot of stuff

807
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: came together is as soon as the very first year UH.

808
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: And he was taking over for Coach Ryan, who ended

809
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: up going over to cow stead of l A. And

810
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: after the West was successful, Coach Ryan wanted to come

811
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: back and administration wasn't feeling it, and then UH it

812
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: goes on from there and and one of the things

813
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: I remember about him, and even at the way he

814
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: trained your your the way he trained your dad, and

815
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: it's something that I carried over was that he would

816
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: be in the gym with your dad, just him working

817
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: on stuff, you know. And Coach West was you know,

818
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: a personal trainer as well as a coach. And I

819
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: always said to myself when I was coming up, it

820
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: didn't matter if I was in the gym with one

821
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: kid or not. You know, it's just seeing that kid

822
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: get better, UH, which which you know Coach Wes ended

823
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: up doing. And then Coach West kept up with the trends.

824
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: You know, he got the rebounding machine, he got he

825
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, he pass the pastor he had the passer,

826
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, in the spring ball would spring back off.

827
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: He had he had the leaping machine, you know, and

828
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: he and he had all of the things. You know,

829
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: he was studying. Uh, he was studying U and L

830
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: V and and they're they're they're running machine under Tark.

831
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: And obviously our colors were close enough to U. C.

832
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: L A. Where he took a lot of John Wooden's

833
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,479
Speaker 1: you know kind of stuff. He would go to the games. Uh,

834
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: Coach West was a study of the game. And I

835
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: and he went to basketball coaching clinics. And I remember

836
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: when I was taking over his office. I've got a

837
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: lot of copious notes, uh that that he left behind

838
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: that and when you look at it today, it's still

839
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: applies like when coach West. So things that stand out

840
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: about Coach West. I remember first, I'll say my my

841
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: junior year when he started tinkering with my shot. Um.

842
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 1: He had me doing this thing called the shot pocket.

843
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: And it's like catching it right here, and it's hey,

844
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: don't bring the ball below hey. So so I would

845
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: just go but look, it's catching it here and you

846
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: go straight up and it's not like catch dip and

847
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: then go up. Now that there's different philosophies nowadays. But

848
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: for that, for me, that ended up changing the trajectory

849
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: of my jump shot and I and I developed a

850
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: butter jumper. When I got to U c l A.

851
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: You know, I was like, I have one of the

852
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: highest true shooting percentages of all time my sophomore year

853
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,479
Speaker 1: at U c l A. The only people that ranked

854
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 1: with me or Steph Curry, Clay Thompson and like Adam

855
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: Morrison like those, It's like sixty some point six three

856
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: eight or something crazy. And I just started looking it up,

857
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 1: like this is a couple of years ago. I started

858
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: looking it up, like, damn, my true shooting percentage was high.

859
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 1: And I started looking it up. I'm like, damn, step

860
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: shooting was only sixty two and Clays was like sixty one.

861
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm like when I was in college, but Coach West

862
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: showing me that little trick tapering my shot had me

863
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: had me had me going cracking. And then it was

864
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: my senior year, um in practice, I think he, I

865
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: don't know where this came from, but he came up with.

866
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he had brought like a note of like

867
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: Ralph Miller at Oregon State and the two guard front

868
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: was it or or what was that It was something,

869
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 1: but it was sick. It was he read one four

870
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: one fo Yeah. Yeah. And and actually what we call

871
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 1: Ralph Miller called it three lane rush. When you're passing,

872
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: you got run around the cone and get back. We

873
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: had another nack Ducket had another name for. But he

874
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: got a lot of tenants from Ralph Miller, who was

875
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: a great coach of course at the time. Yeah. Absolutely,

876
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: And that stuff was always impressive just for a coach

877
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: to come in like he had been just in the

878
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: lad thinking about this all night long, or Chris, I'm

879
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: gonna put Chris over here. I got. It's like he

880
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: was like masterminding stuff. And it really resonated through the

881
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: excitement he would have when he taught us. He would

882
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: have this extra peppin hist step when he was teacher

883
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 1: mode when he was teaching this stuff. He'd be jogging

884
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: around and Chris, you know, he would get into it.

885
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: And that, to me, that always resonated to have such

886
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: a legendary coach that hands on with it. Um what

887
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: in your opinion, and as you've seen, the game sort

888
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: of evolved from our my era when I was in

889
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: high school to coaching up till today. What do you

890
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: think has been just the biggest difference and change in

891
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: high school basketball from eras of the nineties two thousand's

892
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: when you were at Jefferson and you know, starting your

893
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: early princh your career until two thousand and twenty two. Today, Well,

894
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's uh, there's so much emphasis on

895
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 1: personal training. And I mean, and when you start talking

896
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: about this, one of the things that I would would

897
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: like to see happen when you start talking about the

898
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: comparisons of whether it's players or whether it's processes, is

899
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: that there are no absolutes in this. You know, I

900
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: don't want coaches and guys the day to say, hey,

901
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: this is what you do. It is small sided games.

902
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: And at one on one Bro, we always had small

903
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 1: side of games. Was hey, we all supposed to meet

904
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: up at the spot, but everybody ain't there yet, So

905
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: me and you're gonna play one on one, you know

906
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: what I mean? I was playing one on one like

907
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: place please please? And then because I was running away

908
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: from my chores. You know, I leave the lawnmower on

909
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: one side, I'd be by myself. But guess what I'm

910
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,919
Speaker 1: working on my game by myself, you know, my own

911
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: personal training. But what what today is is that there

912
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 1: is the the the access to knowledge, it's tremendous and

913
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: uh and the the access to uh watching games, the

914
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: access to uh so many different philosophies. I mean, you

915
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: got the highest level and then you've got some of

916
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: the highest level coaches at the D three level, you know,

917
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: who are doing a crazy amazing stuff. Their five outs

918
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 1: looks like some some some stuff you haven't ever seen,

919
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: and so kind of the big difference is really the

920
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: expansion of the knowledge and the opportunity. You know, I

921
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: used to go to library to look up stuff, you know,

922
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: sit in front of the computer now and do do

923
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: do that same thing. So that big obviously, you know,

924
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta qualify when you start talking about

925
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: the athleticism, because there have been some guys that's what. Yeah,

926
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 1: that's that's one of my big things. Man. You just

927
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: can't say, hey, it's so athletic. No, crinch yall had

928
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: some guys, you know, please that Louisville you know, Dunking,

929
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: you know, Tremaine, Stevie, Stevie Thompson. I mean, uh, we've

930
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: we've had some athleticism. So let's let's just not throw

931
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: everything out and just recognize each other's stuff and and

932
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: combine it. And what's what What's what's interesting for me

933
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: is that the terminology has changed, but a lot of

934
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: the stuff, it's stuff that was was was being done.

935
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: There is this big push now that one on one

936
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: basketball is number one way to uh to learn the game,

937
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: that three on three basketball is the greatest way to

938
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: learn the game because you get more reps and you

939
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: and you have more spacing. And then the whole thing

940
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: about the best way to learn the game is to

941
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: play the game. And so now in scrimmages, coaches are

942
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: are are tinkering but really trying to get out of

943
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: five on five, which you could get and setting up situations.

944
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: I mean, we had a situation the other day. We're

945
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: gonna start from a dead ball and and and and

946
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: and how are we gonna deal with that? You know,

947
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: So setting up situations and trying to give kids information,

948
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: uh that that's important, but it's more challenging because people

949
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: kind of say it kind of off handedly, but there

950
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: there are some attention spaning issues, uh, and you have

951
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: to really really figure out, uh, how you're gonna keep

952
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: you know the attention of your players, how you're gonna

953
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: get them to buy in and uh and I think

954
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: it's more challenging it used to be. You're going to

955
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: do exactly what I tell you to do. There's no

956
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: questions to it. And everybody understood that that. Everybody's lining

957
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: up like in the army today because kids have so

958
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: many different experiences between a you, between traveling and uh

959
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: and and and those type experience. When they get back

960
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 1: to the high school plane, they you know, they've done

961
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: some things and they're trying to see, you know, kind

962
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: of how this measures up. So it's a good and

963
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: a bad with everything, but nothing is absolute. We need

964
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: to figure out how to combine the two, you know,

965
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: and we need to quit age discriminating against against each other.

966
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: You you can't hear me. You're you're you're listening, but

967
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: you can't hear me because you think I'm back from

968
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: another era. But I'm actually saying some things that can

969
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: have some value. And I need to listen to you

970
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: too so I can see the value out of what

971
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: you're saying. We're still challenged to get to that point.

972
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,000
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973
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,000
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976
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: my thing about this stuff, Like I know that when

977
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: I was coming up, I definitely we definitely had some

978
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: age stuff going on with y'all generation, But there was

979
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: never this level of disrespect of your generation. Like we

980
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: knew what time it was with y'all because having been

981
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: in the gym's been in the workouts, been up and

982
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: close and seeing it and it's like, oh no, this

983
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: is real ship right here. So for for the people today,

984
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: it's sort of characterized the players back then as plumbers,

985
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,959
Speaker 1: is you know, repair men, and you know they weren't,

986
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: you know, having second job. It's the funniest, it's hilarious.

987
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: But but my thing about it is, it's like, man,

988
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: that's a complete disrespect of of people that played this

989
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: game at a high level. And that's the part I

990
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: don't like. I think on the high school level. You

991
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: made a great point when you said, hey, it used

992
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: to be you're gonna do what I say, you do

993
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: when I say it. The power of the head coach

994
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: has been sort of you know, I don't dilute it

995
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: if you will because of you know, the parental involvement.

996
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: Look for me, two thousand five, I was coaching the

997
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: Bourbon Day. We had a great group. Are Allen Gerard's

998
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: got Gerard's name, but we had a great group. But

999
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: those kids were locked there. The personalities of those kids

1000
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: were sort of like, they're gonna listen to what we

1001
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: said as coaches. It wasn't a lot of it wasn't

1002
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: a lot of talking back, it wasn't a lot of questioning. Okay,

1003
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: this is pre this is pre YouTube, this is pre

1004
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: social media. So I also got a chance to coach

1005
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: my son, William, a lefty at Palisades in two thousand

1006
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: and six, fourteen or fifteen and sixteen. So I got

1007
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: to see ten years later just how the mindset of

1008
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: the kids shifted. Everybody knew everything now they got you know,

1009
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: everybody knows that. No, they know more than you. Everybody

1010
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: knows everything. I'm just like, well, I know everything. Then

1011
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: why the hell are we not reading it in the day? Well, well,

1012
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: and and and also there's some definitions to disrespect. Uh

1013
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: So a kid may not say a thing to you,

1014
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: but he ain't running as hard as he could and

1015
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: not because he's tired. No, it has nothing to do

1016
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: with that. That's his message. You know, I kicked the

1017
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: kid out of a practice yesterday because of that message,

1018
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, no one kid

1019
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: can can can be the definer of your program, and

1020
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: if it is, you're gonna fail. The kids sent me

1021
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: a long text of apology the other day, and probably

1022
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: he was dealing with someone who had never told him no,

1023
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: and who had never told him that his ship may stay.

1024
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: And so you know, these different levels of respect. Disrespect

1025
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: goes on. But I've been very, very fortunate in my

1026
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: tenure the yesterday and always kind of looking at things

1027
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,919
Speaker 1: because they have been, you know, repeatedly doing the wrong thing.

1028
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: One of the biggest problems I have in coaching right

1029
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: now in the practice session is that when you're in

1030
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: drills and the next guy up doesn't go when he's

1031
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: supposed to because he's thinking about all kinds of randomness,

1032
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: and then the guy after him does the same thing,

1033
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: and you're thinking, oh, we didn't you hear me say that.

1034
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: That's one thing. But what I did yesterday and I

1035
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: never ever do this, I said. I called him over

1036
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: to the white board, I said, look, we've got three hundred.

1037
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: We've played three hundred and sixty six games, you know

1038
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: in my tenue with my staff, and um we've won

1039
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: two and so we've lost. And I said, I'm not

1040
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: trying to tell you guys that I am this great coach,

1041
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: but I'm just trying to tell you I do know something.

1042
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: I know something and everybody that wants us to be,

1043
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, on top of the mountain. I it got

1044
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: described to me by a guy who was evaluating, you know,

1045
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: our program, our team. He said, well, you know, Crenshaw

1046
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: is not on the mountain, but you're on the hill,

1047
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: you know. I said, Okay, we laughed about that at

1048
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: what that man. But everybody wants us to be on

1049
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: the mountain. And so when I was talking to my guys,

1050
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: we were talking about where we are are what we

1051
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: could do without dousing their confidence, because that's a huge

1052
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: thing that you have to really, you know, deal with

1053
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: with young black men that you can't take away their confidence.

1054
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: And if you get on them, you gotta find a way,

1055
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,919
Speaker 1: uh to bring to bring them back up. Yeah, it's

1056
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: a double edge, like you gotta be able to pull them,

1057
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, criticize them constructively and also big up them,

1058
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: you know when they do do something right. That's something

1059
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: I definitely learned that I didn't do a lot of.

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Speaker 1: I was just Mr. Negative negative Nelly. I was always fighting,

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01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: you know. He it was. It was a frustrating coaching

1062
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: your son and is one of the most frustrating things

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01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: that there is for a man that has played the

1064
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: game to do, because because he's he comes from you,

1065
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: and so you hope and you and you wish that

1066
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: he would think like you, like you guys would be

1067
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: connected mentally, so he'd be out there doing what you're

1068
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: telepathically sending him in his head right now, but he's

1069
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: doing something completely different, and so it's just like that

1070
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: part was frustrating, But we learned, and I like what

1071
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: you said with situations creating situations to communicate to this generation,

1072
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: you gotta give them stuff in small doses, and you

1073
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: gotta and you gotta, you gotta set up sit you wastions,

1074
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: so we can't really give you the whole action. We

1075
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: gotta give you, guys this quick hitter. We did give

1076
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: you this little quick action right here, and then they're

1077
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna lock into that because once they sometimes

1078
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: and and what I struggled with was just the retention

1079
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: aspect of things. UM. Sorry, I got this flashlight. I

1080
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: don't know why, but the retention aspect of everything, It's like, dang,

1081
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: I thought I just went over that. Um I found

1082
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: myself saying that a lot. And these kids, they didn't

1083
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: really retain the information when I was coaching. But again,

1084
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: the kids evolved, the game evolves, and uh, I think

1085
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: it's in a good place uh today. UM, do you

1086
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: think in your heart of hearts that french Shaw High

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01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: School can return to sort of that that mountaintop? And

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01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: I know you guys have won a city championship? Okay

1089
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: in your tenure, can you win an open division championship?

1090
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: Can you win another state championship? Or is that even

1091
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: or do you do you even think of it that way? It?

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01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: Or those long term goals or how do you approach that? We?

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01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: You know, uh, this growing aspect not only in Los

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01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: Angeles but around the country. Two uh and and you

1095
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: see it of course in football, to get all of

1096
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: the best teams in the best spot in one place.

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01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: I mean that's how your Open Division started. You know

1098
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna get the best eight teams and then you

1099
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: left something. Uh, you know for the other schools in

1100
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: your Division one. We a core one, you know, two

1101
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: back to back Division ones. They did not say it

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01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: wasn't added to the other six team. We have eight team. Now,

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01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: I didn't know you want back to back where I've been.

1104
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: I remember the one Okay coach. Yeah, we went back

1105
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: to back and that's when they said, wait, man, we

1106
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: gotta change up some things in this movie, and so

1107
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: and so and so what happens is is that we

1108
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:29,439
Speaker 1: still talk about state, We still talk about open um.

1109
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: You have coaches who really don't want to go to

1110
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: the open for certain reasons. The open division, you know,

1111
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: depending on how you may finish up, it's always gonna

1112
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: guarantee you a state birth, you know. So you have

1113
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: to look at it like that. Uh, you know, people

1114
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: don't want to be eight and have to play one.

1115
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: But with all that being said, the beauty about this

1116
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: game is actually those matchups and those aspirations and those

1117
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: abilities and crunch winning and open and crunchhaw going to

1118
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: a state when everybody think that that's not possible. And

1119
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: so that's one of the beauties of this game. And

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Speaker 1: I've been in underdog situations, Uh, and a lot of

1121
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: my own basketball career or whatever. And so, uh, that

1122
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: challenge is something that we talked about. We you know,

1123
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: we're breaking huddles one, two, three state you know, yeah,

1124
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: we're breaking holes and and and one thing about this

1125
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: generation in terms of retention is that you need short,

1126
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: sweet messages like that. You know, the when we won

1127
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: the uh my first championship, our matra was united. We

1128
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: standing about it, we fall We said that every single day,

1129
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, and that carried over to something. So you

1130
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: need these short messages. In politics is about messaging. Stopped

1131
01:04:56,040 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: to steal that thing? That's that that seems so simple,

1132
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: but the relation of it so uh is killing. But

1133
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: our goal, Chris, is to to win state championship. What

1134
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm encouraged by is this, for some reason, while everybody

1135
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: has talked about the lack of enrollment at our school,

1136
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: and kids are going here, kids going there, just in

1137
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: the basketball program, right now, I have graduated like thirteen

1138
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: families who kept sending the next kid there. Uh and

1139
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: right now I have um, I have seven ninth graders

1140
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: in our program when people are saying they're not coming

1141
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,919
Speaker 1: to school. And another very very interesting thing that we're

1142
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: actually gonna get some playoff of you know, working on

1143
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: the article now, Chris. Between the girls basketball program and

1144
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: the boys basketball program, they're like twelve siblings, you know,

1145
01:05:55,120 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: one place girls basketball, the other one places. Well, we

1146
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: got three girls that that came in to you know,

1147
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: all together on transfer status. That's another family. I'm benefiting

1148
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 1: off of families because one mother told me, I'm gonna

1149
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: see how you treat the ninth grader before I decided

1150
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna saying the other two. And that's happened

1151
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: with me. And with that right now, I've got this

1152
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: synergy there that speaks totally against what the news is saying,

1153
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: what people are saying, We got people connected. I got

1154
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: an unbelievable group of parents and it's because of that

1155
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: that I feel that people kids, somebody's gonna return to

1156
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: the school. One thing I can always say, I'm sorry

1157
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: using your platform for this, But if you come to Crunchyhall,

1158
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: it's like not even any question, and you can who

1159
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: that you you gonna you go to ball. You know,

1160
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: it's not like all of these guys are there and

1161
01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: you're you're fighting against all of these guys. A Mark

1162
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: Lamar Harris came to me in one year from View Park,

1163
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: hadn't played any ball, no confidence. And because it's not

1164
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: all of these guys there, he's player of the year

1165
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: in his first year. Yeah. Now because and now he's

1166
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's gonna he's gonna end up graduating

1167
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: from Cumberland College in Kentucky, having a having a great career.

1168
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: But it's uh so, so it's a place where guys

1169
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: can come and they're they're gonna ball out. Not because

1170
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm not pitching it. It's just the reality of you know,

1171
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of guys you know, you I

1172
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: got you know, half my team's never even played on

1173
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: the AU team, you know what I mean. It's like that,

1174
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,439
Speaker 1: that's like that's like real stuff. Yeah. No. And and

1175
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: to leave you on this note, one of the one

1176
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: of those guys that you did have Kevin Bradley Jr.

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01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 1: kJ Bradley UM watching his game. His development is it's

1178
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,919
Speaker 1: been really a revelation. Yeah, he's a big time back

1179
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: football player and I feel like he really has a shot.

1180
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: Just talk talk about kJ a little bit, man, And

1181
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: and can you replace somebody like that? You know, you know,

1182
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: we're you know, we're really Guard University. You know, you go,

1183
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: you go down the line and it's super unbelievable. Kevin Ali,

1184
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,879
Speaker 1: Marcus Williams, you know, and so and so what happens

1185
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: is is that kJ had a different challenge because his

1186
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: dad was player of the year back to back place.

1187
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: Imagine you're going to crunch y'all. Your dad is back

1188
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 1: to back player of the year and uh, and you

1189
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: got the same name as him, you know what I mean.

1190
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: And so they didn't come to Crunchhall the first year

1191
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: because of that. His dad didn't want that pressure. But

1192
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: the kid was always coming up after school and just

1193
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: sitting there because his dad was on my staff and

1194
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 1: the kids still in the seven eight grade and he's

1195
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: sitting there and and and me and him, are you know,

1196
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 1: clowning and whatever? Because you know, Chris and you get

1197
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: back to the mind Angelo, people remember how you make

1198
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: you feel, and so you know, this kid felt a

1199
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: certain way. And when I met with met with him

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01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: and his mom, Uh, they said they were coming to

1201
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: Crenshall because of me. After that conversation. But at the

1202
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: bottom of it was that his dad didn't want to

1203
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: push him anywhere. His mom, you know, went to Palisade

1204
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: so that thought is in there and then and then

1205
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: there there's him. And so he ends up saying telling

1206
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 1: his dad this is where he wanted to go, and

1207
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: his dad stayed out of him. I called his dad

1208
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,600
Speaker 1: and told him he he was coming to crenchyall. He

1209
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. You know what, we thought it was

1210
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: gonna be a big challenge. But what you what what

1211
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:47,600
Speaker 1: what you had in him is what you don't have.

1212
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 1: And most of your player an unbelievable Jim rat. I mean,

1213
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 1: that's another difference, Chris, between back then and now. I'm

1214
01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: not I've had guys come to open run. Is they

1215
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: got their shoes in their hand and they come in

1216
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: the door and they don't look like it's all that

1217
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: they bounced. They bounced, they show up, they show up,

1218
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: and then if it doesn't look, yeah, they don't. They

1219
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: don't see any guys that's raped and they don't see

1220
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: any happened so much. And I have a great open

1221
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 1: run with the last open run I had Tuesday, Tuesday night,

1222
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 1: No it was it was during the summer. It was

1223
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 1: a Tuesday night, lady uh, And we ran it like

1224
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: twice a week, just open run. Guys in town that

1225
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:36,759
Speaker 1: whatever generational going against all of the stereotypes of black

1226
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 1: men getting together having fun, no fights, no nothing going on,

1227
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: everybody respecting me when I got to break the calls

1228
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: and and all that. But kJ was one of those guys.

1229
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: kJ has earned the absolute right. kJ was working out

1230
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: three times a day during the summer morning. Then you

1231
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: come over with us and any go to another trainer

1232
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 1: and just think he's doing that stuff for like the

1233
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 1: last two or three years, you know, and wanting to

1234
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,719
Speaker 1: do that, and it was just a matter of time.

1235
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 1: As you know, many players uh in the city are overlooked.

1236
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 1: There are some preconceived The biggest preconceived notion is that

1237
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: the players are not gonna be helped. I've got a

1238
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,719
Speaker 1: kid in u c l A right now who played

1239
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: for me for four years and got into u c

1240
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: l A with a four point two. Damn they don't

1241
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: They don't know that the way from U. L A.

1242
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: And so like people, you can't go to college if

1243
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: you don't have the academics. So the academics must be

1244
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: there because guys are going to college. But but but

1245
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: speaking of kJ, he stayed down, he grinded and uh,

1246
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 1: he never got upset. He felt dish, you know, but

1247
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: he never got upset and he kept doing the same

1248
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: thing that UM that he's been doing. And this is

1249
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: one of the the guys that you know, earned it

1250
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: and he's just not gonna do anything to get better.

1251
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: So matter of fact, I think Santa Barbara offered him

1252
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: two weeks ago, uh, setting up for a big I

1253
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 1: think Long Beaches on his tip. He played in the

1254
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 1: Jamboree j C Jamborees is one of the great places

1255
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: to recruit. His team went three and one, UM, and

1256
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: so he's you know, he's he saw it after Now

1257
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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1260
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: search f s R to listen live. No, definitely, I

1261
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: mean we I saw him the Drew League against men

1262
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: and he was absolutely destroying people. Uh. This his pace,

1263
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: the control, you know, the stop and go that the has,

1264
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: you know, just the stuff, and then the smooth nature

1265
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: of everything that he does. I mean it's like, really,

1266
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: I don't I don't get excited over a lot of guys,

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Speaker 1: but if I do see a guy game that I

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Speaker 1: like a lot, Like I get excited, and kJ is

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01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,759
Speaker 1: one of those guys that that I truly got excited about.

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Speaker 1: But man, I think it's dope what you just talked about.

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Speaker 1: The academics. The kid that got the four point two,

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01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 1: that's that U c l A. That's that's something that's

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Speaker 1: overlooked in the big misperception. Misconception of the city guys

1274
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,520
Speaker 1: is that you know, everybody's gonna be a non qualifier, etcetera, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: Where you're in, you're proven that stereo type Brown. You

1276
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:27,759
Speaker 1: had another player, Kevin Brickway. I believe he graduated recently,

1277
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Speaker 1: right or was it one of the Brickway brothers or Yeah,

1278
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 1: he's almost he's almost four years ago. First of all,

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Speaker 1: with them, all three of them are college graduates. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I coached all three of them. One went to

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Speaker 1: San Diego State, one is at Irvine. Now. Yeah, Kevin

1282
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,759
Speaker 1: went up to Regions full scholarship forty eight thousand dollars

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01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 1: a year, uh and still was not totally developed. Now

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01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 1: he has since he spent three years there, he has

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01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: since uh left there. I think he's gonna end up

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01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 1: at Uh. He's got like two years. I think he's

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Speaker 1: gonna end up in San Francisco State or something or

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01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 1: something like that, and uh and uh and so no,

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Speaker 1: he said he's gonna be all state. Easy. I take

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Speaker 1: that you used to be Hayward Beautiful campus if you've

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01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: been up there, but uh, yeah, he's there. The greatest

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Speaker 1: story for me so far is uh is Cedric Lockridge.

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Speaker 1: Cedric was uh. The streets were calling him all of

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01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 1: his life. He got into crunchhaw. He's the streets were

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01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 1: still battling him. He graduated and went up to Lankston

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01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 1: and tried to walk on. That didn't work out. He

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01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 1: called me. You know, he's two years out of school.

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Speaker 1: He called me one day and I said, what's going on? Man?

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01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 1: He said, Man, coach, I gotta get out of here.

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01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about my life right now. I called

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01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: Imperial Valley College two years ago. I said, when you

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01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:52,640
Speaker 1: go up there? But I said, there ain't nothing to

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01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 1: do up there. He said, that's exactly where I need

1304
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,719
Speaker 1: to be. He went up there and led the state

1305
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 1: in scoring, and then he had like a grip of

1306
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 1: division two's and divisions three on his tip. And he

1307
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: ended up signing with Southern Alberta or University. And I said,

1308
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: why did you choose them? He said, because I want

1309
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: to play international basketball. And they had about four guys

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01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 1: that went international. And I went to his barbecue, Chris

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01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: about two weeks ago. I mean, I mean, I'm teary

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Speaker 1: eyed because he made it. Man, he's he's in Canada.

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01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 1: Now that's a great story. Man. That that see, that's

1314
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: what that's the beauty of this game. Where basketball can

1315
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:34,480
Speaker 1: take you where a commitment and then where right leadership

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01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 1: mentoring can take you as well. I mean, I had

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Speaker 1: a kid and you remember the Maria, so I went

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Speaker 1: to do oh man, he's one of my favorite so

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01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 1: he was one of my favorite all time stories. So

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Speaker 1: when I had him with the pumps, I had to

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01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: fight for him to get I had him in l

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01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 1: with the pumps, but I had to fight for both

1323
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: of them. But yeah, I had both of them, so

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01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: and I was picking l up and so I was

1325
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 1: thinking them up too, but he offered like something forty

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01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: eighth in Hoover, I can l up dropping him off. Look,

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01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: So that's why that's why just like I saw Lamar

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Speaker 1: this summer, I don't know if I sent you the video,

1329
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 1: but that he had that um, he was viral. He

1330
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 1: went viral this summer. I don't know if he saw

1331
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 1: the video. So I saw that I saw doing that.

1332
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: But Mark, But back to the Maria, So I hadn't

1333
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: heard so the Mari. I coached him up. And this

1334
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: is the kid that was eligible one year of high

1335
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: school basketball at North bad He had struggled with great

1336
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:32,839
Speaker 1: he hadn't played competitively. He was you know, look, uh Hilliard.

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01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 1: So I did. I did Nabons game, you know, I

1338
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 1: think it was a city championship or something during that

1339
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: crew in two thousand and fifteen. I did their game

1340
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 1: and then I saw the Maria and I was just like,

1341
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 1: who is this dude? He was just six or four

1342
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: just out there. I was like yo. So after the game,

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01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: I interviewed him as player of the game, and right

1344
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: after we cut off camera, I'm like, yeo, man, I'm

1345
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: coaching the pump team. Man, you're trying to run with

1346
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 1: me this summer. What's happening? So I swoop him up

1347
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 1: right there. Um, so fast forward, So he plays for

1348
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: my team. You know, I mean, this is a guy

1349
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: that three six on the Ball Brothers. He did a

1350
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: three sixt we playing the Ball Brothers. He three sixty

1351
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 1: and like looking at LaVar running by. I mean, he's

1352
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 1: just he was just an unbelable town. So fast forward too,

1353
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: I believe one I hadn't heard from the mari A

1354
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 1: I had. I didn't know what Maria was up to.

1355
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: I know he went to Juco and I didn't know anything.

1356
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 1: And then I'm reading on the on the internet. I

1357
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 1: think ESPN he set like a record for rebounds by

1358
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: a guard in the game Division one basketball at Or Roberts.

1359
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 1: He had like eighteen rebounds in the game. They make

1360
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: the tournament. This fool graduated from Oral Roberts. He's at

1361
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 1: Dominus right now getting his master's degree, and he's got

1362
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 1: think he's gotta getting married. I think he's getting married. Man.

1363
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 1: It's but it makes you just on the inside, bro,

1364
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 1: Like when you talk about teary eyed. These are the

1365
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: type of dudes. These situations. If you see where these

1366
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 1: kids go through and what they have to overcome, man

1367
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: to make it, man, and when they make it, it

1368
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: is the most amazing feeling. And just to be humble

1369
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 1: to know that, you know, I might have had a

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01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: little bit of something, dude, then put and put them

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Speaker 1: in certain places and people. Man, it's just it's just

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01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: it makes everything all worth everything, honestly, guys. So man,

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01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: I feel I feel you on that you're doing that

1374
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 1: that good work over there, and keep it up. Man,

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01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: I appreciate you today taking the time. Brother. We spent

1376
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 1: about an hour and a half on. I know we'd

1377
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: go an hour and a half more. I know you

1378
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: got stuff to do, coach, but best of luck. Uh

1379
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 1: this year, I hope I'm gon stopped by a few games.

1380
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm getting back into the high school thing, so I'm

1381
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come through back to the show. I haven't

1382
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 1: been to a game in a while. I need to

1383
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: come see you. Um. But but man, I appreciate you

1384
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 1: for coming on, my brother. Thank you for having me. Man,

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01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 1: it's been fantastic. And uh, I'm proud of you. I'm

1386
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 1: proud of what you you're doing here, and I'm proud

1387
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:56,480
Speaker 1: of the time you put in the wheel, as difficult

1388
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,679
Speaker 1: as it may be, because you know, also he comes

1389
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: from you, so you learned something about yourself in that process.

1390
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: So so have a good griet man. Thank you again,

1391
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 1: all right, and talk to you later. Brother, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: Edwaters