Speaker 1: What is up? What is happened? In this is the
Speaker 1: Beatdown Podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm your host, senior writer for The Walton Commander, Zack Selby,
Speaker 2: And Hey, we got to win to talk about as
Speaker 2: the Commanders took down the New York Giants twenty one
Speaker 2: to eighteen, nevermind that it took seven field goals, as
Speaker 2: Austin tiber tried it out there and broke a franchise record,
Speaker 2: and how many touchdowns they could have scored pointers that
Speaker 2: they won, gritty game they're won, and one on the record.
Speaker 2: But now they do have another challenge and that that
Speaker 2: will not be enough for seven field goals. It will
Speaker 2: be the Cincinnati Bengals, who they are going to play
Speaker 2: in primetime on Monday at Football at pay Course Stadium.
Speaker 2: And how the Commanders do this even though it feels
Speaker 2: even though they are rozhero and two, how do how
Speaker 2: do they come out with an upset here? And we're
Speaker 2: going to debate that and with me we have Scott Jackson.
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Speaker 3: Guys, how y'all doing careful with that forever? Okay, very good?
Speaker 4: Yeah, chick forever? Huh do you like that intro?
Speaker 2: That's tremendous as someone who is just cracking into thirty forever?
Speaker 1: Is you know anything previous nineteen ninety two?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well, yes, I have been in the business.
Speaker 5: Loan's you've been alive, So that's true, Zach.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is not the age you there.
Speaker 2: But all right, so before we get into the nitty gritty,
Speaker 2: we're gonna explain exactly what we're gonna what's gonna be
Speaker 2: happening over the next thirty minutes or so. We're going
Speaker 2: to debate on three questions, one on offense, one defense
Speaker 2: and more general question here. Uh, and these guys will
Speaker 2: be given points, but they it was more the more
Speaker 2: subjective than anything else. We should be more important is
Speaker 2: the information and the takes that these guys have because
Speaker 2: they are some of some of the experts that we
Speaker 2: have here who cover the Washington Commanders. But since it's
Speaker 2: my podcast, I can decide who the winning the loser
Speaker 2: is sendence without further ado, Let's just get into it.
Speaker 2: Starting with one of the biggest questions Washington has to answer,
Speaker 2: how do you get to put.
Speaker 1: Pressure on Joe Burrow?
Speaker 2: Because you know his numbers don't literally look all that
Speaker 2: book tackle the rights around the middle league and yards
Speaker 2: middle league and in passerating in QBR right now. But
Speaker 2: this is still a guy who had bat to back
Speaker 2: four thousand yard seasons with the comeout player of the year,
Speaker 2: has thirty plus touchdowns in.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: This guy is still going to be able to hurt
Speaker 2: the Commanders in a lot of different ways. It's an
Speaker 2: interesting challenge for Joe a junior. So, uh, shape will
Speaker 2: start with you, what is the what can Joe junior
Speaker 2: do to put more pressure on Joe Burrow?
Speaker 5: Well, first off, you know, Scotty, did you know this
Speaker 5: was a half an hour? And did you know we
Speaker 5: were debating each other?
Speaker 3: I mean I did not know.
Speaker 4: Now I'm learning all this as well, and I didn't
Speaker 4: know we you know, we had to score points.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, this is this is news to us young
Speaker 5: to the young guy, the senior writer.
Speaker 3: Uh, just a little lacking in the info. This is
Speaker 3: gonna be great.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna come as best like to simply
Speaker 5: can what can Joe Witt Junior do?
Speaker 4: Ah?
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a great it's a great question.
Speaker 5: Well, first off, he'd love to take Cliff Kingsbury out
Speaker 5: to dinner and say, hey, dude, can you hold the
Speaker 5: ball for an extra long amount of time? Can you
Speaker 5: get can you win the time possession battle? That's number one?
Speaker 5: Keep the Bengals offense off the field. I don't know
Speaker 5: what Joe Witt Jnr. Can do other than have his
Speaker 5: guys step up. Well, we had one sack last week Cleveland.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't know because quite frankly, I don't have confidence
Speaker 5: in the secondary yet. I don't have that yet, So
Speaker 5: I don't. They got to figure out a way to cover.
Speaker 5: And can you push Joe Burrow a little bit? Sure
Speaker 5: you can, but I'm gonna fail. I'm gonna sorry now,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna lose this opening battle because I don't know
Speaker 5: if you can put extra pressure on Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 5: You can't blitz and leave your your corners on an
Speaker 5: island because right now the commander's corners have proven that
Speaker 5: they can't be on an island yet.
Speaker 3: It's they're not there yet.
Speaker 5: Communication issues are an issue, all of it. They got
Speaker 5: better last week, but right now I'd love for them
Speaker 5: just to be able to cover more than pressure Joe
Speaker 5: burn Now, I don't want Joe Barrow sitting back there,
Speaker 5: you know, doing his thing so much.
Speaker 3: We got we got issues.
Speaker 2: So just this on aside for a second. The opening
Speaker 2: the opening text that I sent both of you highlighted
Speaker 2: that yes, you two would be debating over three questions
Speaker 2: about about the team, and it would be at the
Speaker 2: end here it said it will take you about thirty minutes.
Speaker 5: So just just so you know the technical information, is
Speaker 5: this the text from like two weeks ago?
Speaker 3: Don't Yeah, you don't have that?
Speaker 4: It is?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, you know I'm a senior now, so my
Speaker 3: memory doesn't quite work as well as you used to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you already said chick's been around forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I already been around forever. Apparently the memory is
Speaker 1: not around for that completely.
Speaker 3: Am I talking with again? I'm sorry? Okay, good? Uh
Speaker 3: that's that's my that's that's my that's my answer right now.
Speaker 3: I don't I just Tehn JR. Can can?
Speaker 5: I think he's got to really get his backers and
Speaker 5: secondary guys covering more than pressuring Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3: I'd love for them to pressure.
Speaker 5: And and but you know, the two DT's in there,
Speaker 5: they're they're some of the best. But I haven't seen
Speaker 5: a whole lot of pressure so far in the first
Speaker 5: two games.
Speaker 2: Fair point on that, now, Scott, I'm gonna go over
Speaker 2: to you because Chick also brought up a good point
Speaker 2: about the communication errors and it's you know, and dan Quin.
Speaker 2: So they did get a little bit better against the Giants,
Speaker 2: but he's tried as going from a D to a C.
Speaker 1: Uh So, how what kind of problems now?
Speaker 2: They do have Jamar Chase, they have Tiggins Higgins who's
Speaker 2: training towards playing on Monday. Uh So, Scott, like, what
Speaker 2: what is your biggest issues with the secondary going against this?
Speaker 1: Uh? This, these wide receivers that Joe bur is gonna
Speaker 1: be thrown to, Well.
Speaker 4: I mean it's a it's a huge, huge challenge. I
Speaker 4: mean this, you know, Cincinnati has not been great, although
Speaker 4: they were a lot better last week against that Kansas
Speaker 4: City defense and even with like a very small production
Speaker 4: from Jamar Chase. And you know it's gonna come for
Speaker 4: Chamar Chase at some point or another. That's what's that's
Speaker 4: what's goind of were you and look that the commanders
Speaker 4: have had an issue getting home with four. Uh, they've
Speaker 4: had an issue even when they blitzed his chick pointing
Speaker 4: out of the back end. You don't want to make
Speaker 4: a living doing that against Burrow Beau. He he'll carve
Speaker 4: you up with the blitz. And you know he's sneaky
Speaker 4: mobile too. I mean he can still move despite that
Speaker 4: a cl injury his rookie season, So he's he's a
Speaker 4: guy that can beat you with his legs when he
Speaker 4: needs to as well if if you're if you're undisciplined
Speaker 4: and lead gaps open or and he's also going to
Speaker 4: climb in the pocket and throw it on the move.
Speaker 4: So I would be you know, I would be more
Speaker 4: along the lines that you got to really try to
Speaker 4: mix it up and just hope, you know, really to
Speaker 4: me this game, you know, you know, jumping ahead to
Speaker 4: question three, it's really about about taking the air out
Speaker 4: of the football, you know, more than anything, kind of
Speaker 4: like you did last week. They did. They did a
Speaker 4: good job with that last week, taking the air of
Speaker 4: the football, limiting the Giants opportunities. But I really think
Speaker 4: that's what your your mindset has to be going in
Speaker 4: this game. But a small is like, okay, we could Joe,
Speaker 4: what Junior do? Yeah? Mix it up. You know, you
Speaker 4: can't get started. You know, if you find something that's working,
Speaker 4: obviously stay with it. But I would imagine, you know,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be a mixed bag of like, we're gonna
Speaker 4: try everything and see what sticks here with this guy,
Speaker 4: and you're gonna you know, you're gonna hope that your
Speaker 4: secondary gets their hands on some footballs. I mean, you'll
Speaker 4: get some picks. I mean, certainly, I think we expect
Speaker 4: that at some point from this defense, just seeing how
Speaker 4: it funkes into the past and what these two guys
Speaker 4: did together in Dallas. But you know, these guys look
Speaker 4: like group they haven't played a ton of snaps together,
Speaker 4: which they haven't, which is kind of this theme around
Speaker 4: the NFL right now with a lot of teams. So
Speaker 4: hopefully it just keeps getting better each week. But this
Speaker 4: is no doubt the hardest spot they'll be in in
Speaker 4: the first three weeks.
Speaker 3: Can I make an addendum?
Speaker 1: One addendum, please go ahead.
Speaker 3: I think the.
Speaker 5: Other thing is Jamen Davis was inactive last week healthy trash.
Speaker 5: I think he plays this week, and because he can
Speaker 5: do so many different things and he can bring some
Speaker 5: pressure off the edge.
Speaker 3: Love to see him.
Speaker 5: I mean, if I if I, if I have Davis
Speaker 5: and that's the guy I'm going to send to go
Speaker 5: after Joe Burrow, That's the guy I'm going to have
Speaker 5: shadows somebody out of the backfield, all that jazz. They
Speaker 5: had to do it last week because they need an
Speaker 5: extra BT in the lineup.
Speaker 3: But I think if you have.
Speaker 5: Jam and Davis in that on that active roster, he
Speaker 5: might I'm gonna go back to my old school English,
Speaker 5: he might could be a difference maker.
Speaker 2: So you touched something I want to I want to
Speaker 2: expand on here is you know Joe Burr has been
Speaker 2: sacked six times. Four of those sacks have come on
Speaker 2: third downs. So do you expect chick that they're going
Speaker 2: to probably you know, obviously Joe Junior is going to
Speaker 2: see that because you know that Joe Burrow likes the
Speaker 2: hole onto the ball and make thing. He's supposed to
Speaker 2: play downfield. Do you expect them to bring jam and Davis?
Speaker 2: Do you expect them to bring maybe you know, four
Speaker 2: or five? Maybe you know, six defenders on some occasions
Speaker 2: to get to get the speed up pressure for Burrow.
Speaker 5: Well, I think surely third down would probably be the
Speaker 5: normal one for Joe Witt Junior.
Speaker 3: Can we call him j w J or something or
Speaker 3: just aware.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's too many Joe's in this spot.
Speaker 3: So long, so long. Again. I'm a senior, so it
Speaker 3: takes me a while to say these things.
Speaker 5: Uh I uh, yes, I mean if if you can
Speaker 5: get him in a third and and know above five yards,
Speaker 5: then yeah, I wouldn't send six, not with.
Speaker 3: That defense right now. No, but I would certainly send an.
Speaker 5: Extra body and see what you know, early on, early
Speaker 5: on the first few h possessions, to see how they
Speaker 5: handle it. And these are smart guys, they're gonna you know,
Speaker 5: they're they're seeing the pictures in the film directly after
Speaker 5: a series. They'll see what Cincinnati's doing and how they're
Speaker 5: trying to protect and and and and then you figure
Speaker 5: out a way, uh to send maybe an extra another body.
Speaker 5: But right now, i'd love to see Jamie Davis in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely think he's gonna be. I think he
Speaker 2: could possibly be, uh you know backer there for sure.
Speaker 2: Enow Scott I'll bring this to you before we hitd
Speaker 2: On too. The next question here is that the the
Speaker 2: Commanders are eleventh and pass Rush Win Win Ray, but
Speaker 2: they're last in our time for last in sacks the season.
Speaker 2: So I mean, do you say that they eight are
Speaker 2: able to get to Burrow? Do you think that's going
Speaker 2: to be able to help the secondary as they try
Speaker 2: to you know, contain chase and takings if he plays,
Speaker 2: and all these other receiver options that they have out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if you could speed him up like
Speaker 4: anybody right, like get him out of their rid and that,
Speaker 4: that's great. If you can get home more importantly, which
Speaker 4: they obviously you've just pointed out, they have not betting
Speaker 4: able to do, which has been a little bit frustrating
Speaker 4: in these first couple of games. But yeah, look what
Speaker 4: you got to do. As you've seen with Burrow, I mean,
Speaker 4: they're not going to beat you running the ball. The
Speaker 4: Bengals do not run the ball well, I mean losing
Speaker 4: Joe Mix and you know we're moving on from Joe
Speaker 4: Mix and everyone to look at that has not proved
Speaker 4: to be really smart in these first few weeks. And
Speaker 4: then obviously we haven't seen that the ft Higgins. So
Speaker 4: maybe he's the you know, the key that opens up everything.
Speaker 4: But but yeah, I would like to think that, you know,
Speaker 4: if you can get home on a few of these,
Speaker 4: because he will hold it a tick longer to make
Speaker 4: the big places. You pointed out, he's not afraid to
Speaker 4: try to extend. He's ultra confident and you know he's
Speaker 4: he's you know, they was talking about his wrist injury
Speaker 4: or whatever. I don't know, man, it looked like you
Speaker 4: was throwing the ball to fine. I mean last week
Speaker 4: it gainst the Kansas City Save the player too. He
Speaker 4: was he was pretty dang sharp. H you know, they
Speaker 4: had a shot to win that ball game. But anyway, yeah,
Speaker 4: I would I would hope to think that, yeah they can,
Speaker 4: they can actually get home this week or at least
Speaker 4: speed him up. And you know, you created some turnovers, man,
Speaker 4: That's that's what's gonna take. Steal some possessions here and
Speaker 4: shortening their amount of possessions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And you know, I do I do
Speaker 2: think you know, you mentioned a good point about about
Speaker 2: Joe Burry being able to hold onto the ball for
Speaker 2: a tick longer, and I think that really is going
Speaker 2: to be able to help them get get this offense
Speaker 2: off the field, because the Bengals offense has been.
Speaker 1: Sputtering a little bit.
Speaker 2: Even you know, even though you t Hagens hasn't been
Speaker 2: like is not gonna be the the whole factor into that.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of a thing evolved into it.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, the Bengals offense is not
Speaker 2: where you would expect it to be over the first
Speaker 2: two weeks. So we're gonna move on to the next question.
Speaker 2: But first score up Tate. As Chick predicted, he is
Speaker 2: currently losing.
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: I did like the point you brought up on Javi
Speaker 2: Datis because I do think he's going to be able
Speaker 2: to play a big factors game with his speed, his
Speaker 2: quickness off the edge.
Speaker 1: I think that's something that the.
Speaker 2: Commanders were kind of missing, uh last week with him
Speaker 2: being a healthy scratch. So I expect him to be
Speaker 2: to be a pretty big player in this game. Going
Speaker 2: on to the offense side of the ball, the speaking
Speaker 2: of struggles with with the offense, the Commanders have, you know,
Speaker 2: they had six scoring opportunities in the red zone and
Speaker 2: they came away with field goals on all of them,
Speaker 2: So it could very could easily have been a blowout
Speaker 2: honestly if they had been able to execute and finish
Speaker 2: on those drives. But for several reasons, false starts, lack
Speaker 2: of lack of production in certain areas, they were only
Speaker 2: able to come away with twenty one points on seven
Speaker 2: seven trips. You know, I guess if you count the
Speaker 2: seventh one outside of the twenty one yard line. But
Speaker 2: you know, Scott will start with you a simple question here,
Speaker 2: what do the commanders do to fix these red zone problems?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Is there something simple to it is a little more complicated,
Speaker 2: like is it just getting work more together?
Speaker 1: Like how do they how do they able to finish in.
Speaker 2: The red zonees put up touchdown because they're going to
Speaker 2: need that against the Bengals.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt. I hope they can get there five
Speaker 4: six times again, it'd be great. Well, well, first and
Speaker 4: foremost you hit it. I mean, just don't beat yourself.
Speaker 4: I mean, last week, how do we know what they
Speaker 4: could have done in the red zone with all those
Speaker 4: false starts and you know, pre staff penalties absolutely murder you.
Speaker 4: I mean, they had a fourth and a half yard
Speaker 4: and you feel good about the way they're moving the ball,
Speaker 4: The opening drive and send it rocks and they got
Speaker 4: to kick the field goal, I mean, and then you
Speaker 4: had the one cause me on the I think it
Speaker 4: was on the first and goal that set them back,
Speaker 4: you know, so they just kept moving themselves backwards once
Speaker 4: they would get down there with either penalties or or
Speaker 4: you know, negative plays. You just can't have that kind
Speaker 4: of stuff. So I would say, you know, obviously just
Speaker 4: a cleaner operation. We'd love to see if those plays
Speaker 4: were good or bad. You know, we don't know. MENA
Speaker 4: see Brian Robinson the Wildcat, I'm getting excited and then
Speaker 4: the play doesn't go off and I'm like, well, I
Speaker 4: don't know that would have worked tonight. And you saw
Speaker 4: it the week before and it worked some success against Tampa.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I thought the week before the red zone
Speaker 4: they were good. And I granted a lot of that
Speaker 4: stuff was when they were down, you know, and it
Speaker 4: was late and you know, you ever want to see
Speaker 4: Jadie and take those kind of hits, But they were
Speaker 4: effective down there with some of those three option looks.
Speaker 4: So I think, you know, in this game, you know,
Speaker 4: hopefully again opportunities number one of the red zone smarter
Speaker 4: with you know, you don't urt yourselves. But let's see
Speaker 4: if these plays work. But I like the idea of
Speaker 4: Ertz down there, like the idea of a quarterback option
Speaker 4: down there, whether he keeps it, throws it, or runs it.
Speaker 4: And obviously keep the keep hammering the rob An Eckler
Speaker 4: because that's been working for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, shake the committeers put at four and
Speaker 2: twenty five yards of offense, which is one of the
Speaker 2: best days they've had in you know, over a year.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, they only had I think
Speaker 2: about less than thirty yards on plays inside the twenty
Speaker 2: yard line. So what are they able to do to
Speaker 2: get more production out of their offense to stop stalling
Speaker 2: in these scoring positions? You know, obviously b rob is
Speaker 2: important factor there, but Jade and Daniels didn't really hit
Speaker 2: his targets as he as he would like to. So
Speaker 2: what can they do to keep the momentum going outside
Speaker 2: of the twenties and pring it inside the twenties.
Speaker 3: First off, Scotty is.
Speaker 5: The Russian judge scoring this competition because he literally said,
Speaker 5: you know, he liked my point about Jamon Davis and
Speaker 5: I still took the l anyway. So here's the deal
Speaker 5: and my wife brought this up and it's an excellent
Speaker 5: point and she's not a football expert, nor am I.
Speaker 5: Really what can they do well? As Scotty said, he's
Speaker 5: got to stop beating yourself. It's it's a it's a
Speaker 5: concentration thing, it's a it's a paying attention thing. And
Speaker 5: to get five false starts is ludicrous. You can't kill
Speaker 5: yourself and flat out the rookie made some bad throws
Speaker 5: down in the red zone, simple as that, he's going
Speaker 5: to do that. He's a rookie, left some passes in
Speaker 5: the dirt, missed opportunities. That's what they did. What can
Speaker 5: they do well? You got to pay attention and be better.
Speaker 5: Simple as that.
Speaker 3: Pay attention and you have to be more disciplined.
Speaker 5: That's what coach Quinn told me on Monday, was disciplined.
Speaker 5: Got to be more disciplined in everything you're doing. When
Speaker 5: you leave that huddle. You have to know exactly what
Speaker 5: you're doing and then not cost your team, simple as that.
Speaker 3: It's really that simple. You can physically.
Speaker 5: Execute as much as you want, but if you're crushing
Speaker 5: your squad before you ever snap the ball and you're
Speaker 5: going backwards, well you just you put your foot up
Speaker 5: in a hole that you just and you do it
Speaker 5: more than once. You just can't dig out of the
Speaker 5: fact that you're owing a six in the red zone
Speaker 5: with an offense that's you know, been garnered.
Speaker 3: By Cliff Kingsbury. You can't have that. That cannot happen
Speaker 3: and expect to win a football game.
Speaker 1: No, you're you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2: I mean it's the procedural stuff that's really putting the
Speaker 2: put the team back because there was a lot I mean,
Speaker 2: it wasn't even just in the red zone, right, there
Speaker 2: was a lot of moments they were on the first
Speaker 2: down panels, they were automatically going from first and first
Speaker 2: and ten to first and fifteen or and that it's
Speaker 2: hard to build momentum and sustain drives when you're starting
Speaker 2: off behind the sticks like that.
Speaker 1: Colin did also.
Speaker 2: Mention I want you to expand on this, like he
Speaker 2: mentioned a silent counts and things like that. Do you
Speaker 2: think that's do you think as simple as is that?
Speaker 2: Or is you know it's they're just playing more together
Speaker 2: and getting these being these taking these lumps and not
Speaker 2: not being able to produce. Like what is is if
Speaker 2: the fall starts, canna be able to get be fixed
Speaker 2: by these silent counts, because right it's gonna be very loud.
Speaker 3: It'll be loud.
Speaker 5: And Cosby said that there's still a young Scott, but
Speaker 5: I just think that's an excuse.
Speaker 3: You can be young like you want.
Speaker 5: In practice, you blare the music and they do that
Speaker 5: in the bubble as well, and you learn how to
Speaker 5: go off a silent count. The veterans know how to
Speaker 5: do it. I'm sure Ben said it in college, had
Speaker 5: to do it at some point. That's just got to
Speaker 5: be practicing. Jaydon Daniels has been in huge football games
Speaker 5: in college with stadiums that were more packed than some
Speaker 5: NFL stadiums will play in this year, so he's he's
Speaker 5: well aware of what needs to take place. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: just it just bears down to discipline, and I know
Speaker 5: that the on line coach will be working this week
Speaker 5: to make sure that that's all tightened up.
Speaker 1: As I say, now, Scott, before we move on you
Speaker 1: real quick.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Brian Robinson, and you know the kid had
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty three rushing yards as part of
Speaker 2: the two hundred and fifteen rushing your day for the team.
Speaker 2: Do you expect that to continue to think do you
Speaker 2: think he's going to be able to build on that
Speaker 2: because this bangles defense. If there's one thing they do poorly,
Speaker 2: it is defend the run, especially up the middle of
Speaker 2: their devisit tackles all on the injury report right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I love that matchup. That's the best matchup is.
Speaker 4: We were obviously both just kind of like dreading talking
Speaker 4: about the matchup for the defense. I actually liked the
Speaker 4: offensive matchup when it comes to the strengths of this team.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I think you can definitely found
Speaker 4: the rock on him and that's what they're gonna want
Speaker 4: to do. And you know, again, I just think Brian Robinson,
Speaker 4: we've seen it from the get go when the staff
Speaker 4: got in there, he's just so excited and he's he's
Speaker 4: running with such an attitude and it you know, he
Speaker 4: just feels like he's unleashed because clearly last year he
Speaker 4: was underutilized way too often. Is frustrating, you know, and
Speaker 4: it's great. I like the way to use him an Ecklert.
Speaker 4: I think each week you'll see that expand a little bit,
Speaker 4: so that that's been really exciting to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has.
Speaker 2: I think we were all very excited to see him
Speaker 2: carry the ball seventeen times and come up with, you know,
Speaker 2: two thirty plus yard plays, which he only even had
Speaker 2: that many for his entire career heading into the Giants game.
Speaker 2: So Scoreton for the last question, shout out to your wife, Chick,
Speaker 2: because she helps.
Speaker 1: You out a lot. You are now within one point
Speaker 1: of Scott.
Speaker 4: Phone a friend next time for the question three, you.
Speaker 3: Can call my wife, call Chase.
Speaker 1: Please, we do a phone.
Speaker 2: A friend here, we can do We can do that,
Speaker 2: all right, So last question. So there's gonna be several
Speaker 2: commanders players are gonna have to play big roles uh
Speaker 2: in in this game if they are able to get
Speaker 2: a win. But we're gonna stick to two here, and
Speaker 2: you mentioned one Brian Robinson Scott, but we're gonna mention
Speaker 2: another Benjamin Saint Juice, who it seemed like he he
Speaker 2: was performing the bet the better of the secondary. As
Speaker 2: you know, he went against Millie Nabors quite a bit,
Speaker 2: had a couple of pass breakups, and I think he's
Speaker 2: gonna be he's gonna be busy going up against Higgins
Speaker 2: and Jamar Chase.
Speaker 1: So, uh, Chick, we will start.
Speaker 2: With you who needs to have a bigger game. Benjamin
Speaker 2: Saint Juice or Brian Robinson.
Speaker 5: Well Higgins practiced on Thursday. Start check him in the lineup.
Speaker 5: And what I liked about the Benjamin Saint Juice last
Speaker 5: week was he basically was very honest and said, look,
Speaker 5: we gave up the underneath throw because they got beat
Speaker 5: like a redhead stepchild. Uh no offense seck uh uh
Speaker 5: you know in the first game deep and and so
Speaker 5: they made they basically said, you can beat us underneath,
Speaker 5: You're not going, you know, getting behind us. But my
Speaker 5: answer is Brian Robinson. And here's why. This is a
Speaker 5: guy who obviously we know his store. He season gets
Speaker 5: shot and and comes right back and starts play year
Speaker 5: and last year we all know it. He was completely
Speaker 5: ignored in that Eric Dean of the offense. One of
Speaker 5: the reasons that Eric enemy is no longer here.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: He's a guy who runs angry, but he's got a
Speaker 5: smile on his face because he knows what's coming in
Speaker 5: this Cliff King's Ferry all up offense. And what he
Speaker 5: did last week was not only run the ball, but
Speaker 5: kens the ball and the combo of him and Austin Eckler.
Speaker 5: So it's a bus decision when b Rod gets to
Speaker 5: the line for DBS, because he is a load and
Speaker 5: he is coming hard, they have to tackle differently for him.
Speaker 5: Then all of a sudden, here comes to change the
Speaker 5: pace with Austin Eckler. Where you think you can break down,
Speaker 5: you can't break down because he's so shifty, makes moves.
Speaker 5: We saw guys catch air last week a couple of
Speaker 5: times with Austin Eckler. So a b Rob is having
Speaker 5: that kind of day that opens up everything for that
Speaker 5: offense and it has Cincinnati's defense going where's it coming from?
Speaker 3: The nest?
Speaker 5: Benmon Saint Jus just has to play his position. He's
Speaker 5: only one guy in that defense. But a b Rob does.
Speaker 3: What he could do.
Speaker 5: He creates a whole new offense for this team and
Speaker 5: creates a whole lot of problems for Cincinnati because they
Speaker 5: then don't know where it's coming from. Because not only that,
Speaker 5: but Austin Eckler, Terry McLaurin gets opened up. And oh,
Speaker 5: by the way, Noah Brown, not too shabby, not too
Speaker 5: shabby at all, and he'd creates something. So if b
Speaker 5: Rob is doing his thing, that just opens up a
Speaker 5: whole lot of.
Speaker 1: Lanes Scott what you got for me?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would like to be different, but I'm totally
Speaker 4: a chick. Obviously. I tip my hand in the first question.
Speaker 4: You know, look, first of all Saints, you's played great
Speaker 4: last week. He was our defensive player of the game
Speaker 4: and all that stuff because he was the past breakups,
Speaker 4: the the peanut punch was the big one of the
Speaker 4: biggest plays of the game because the steels possession for
Speaker 4: you and you score on it and the Giants don't
Speaker 4: get to score. So I think he was great. I
Speaker 4: think keep doing what he's doing. I think just keep
Speaker 4: building for him. I'm I'm confident he can do that.
Speaker 4: But this is a tough matchup. I mean, whether he
Speaker 4: gets Higgins or Chase or whoever. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 4: not easy. But b Rob can dictate the way this
Speaker 4: game's played like this can change the way the game's played.
Speaker 4: You know how this works, especially with a guy like
Speaker 4: Zach Taylor. You know, one of these wiz kid offensive coaches.
Speaker 4: They didn't get a little antsy if their offense isn't
Speaker 4: get a lot of opportunities in rhythm, and then they'll
Speaker 4: do things impatiently sometimes, you know, because they haven't been
Speaker 4: on the field. So if you can take the air
Speaker 4: front of the football, keep Joe Burrow and his weird
Speaker 4: haircutting bleached hair on the sideline as long as possible.
Speaker 4: I think it really changes everything. Takes the crowd out
Speaker 4: of the game, I mean, really just sucks the life
Speaker 4: out of the other team. And I think you saw
Speaker 4: that last week in some degree with the Giants. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's old school football. It's not you know this kid
Speaker 4: in Cincinnati, you know, calling Cliff Kingsbury college offense or whatever.
Speaker 4: Man he's playing with. The defense gives him right now, right,
Speaker 4: this is the new NFL where you're not gonna let
Speaker 4: anybody beat you over the top. Dare people to be
Speaker 4: patient and running. And Cliff Kingsbury's doing what he's supposed
Speaker 4: to be doing, and so was this team. And I
Speaker 4: think it kind of plays their hands. I mean think
Speaker 4: I think one of the things we slept on we heard, Hey,
Speaker 4: Cliff kings here is the new OC. We're like, oh,
Speaker 4: air raid, man, they're gonna be throwing fifty times, They're
Speaker 4: gonna be you know, the shotgun and all the stuff.
Speaker 4: But you know, when he went back and looked at
Speaker 4: those years with Arizona. They actually ran the ball really well.
Speaker 4: I mean they were you know, and it wasn't just
Speaker 4: Kyler Murray. The running backs could really get some good space.
Speaker 4: So I'm excited to see b Robin this game and
Speaker 4: Eckler and you know, like I chick said, that could
Speaker 4: open other things that you know, everybody's been begging for
Speaker 4: Terry to get some opportunities. But they're gonna be patient.
Speaker 4: Just don't tourst it, you know. And I think Jayden,
Speaker 4: you know, had the right mindset when he talked to
Speaker 4: everybody on Thursday about this. He's got to wait for
Speaker 4: it to happen. But yeah, Noel Brown was great last week.
Speaker 4: Hect Hommy Brown. You got opportunity to make a really
Speaker 4: nice player that that wide receiver screen, you know, really
Speaker 4: was close to breaking that one to a freat figure gardage.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think these guys. I think the offense
Speaker 4: is headed the right direction allot the way Hurst was involved,
Speaker 4: and I think all that stuff starts with b rob
Speaker 4: So he's by far the most important part of this
Speaker 4: football game. You know.
Speaker 2: Be Rob had carried about seventeen times on Sunday. He
Speaker 2: had that he had that toll or surpass it just
Speaker 2: four times all of that season. So I fully expect
Speaker 2: there could be another big averag from Brian Robinson this week.
Speaker 2: Uh every time, you know the Patriots and the Chiefs,
Speaker 2: they when they when they beat the Bengals, they were
Speaker 2: hear the ball thirty plus times. So I would fully
Speaker 2: expect you. And there's not going to be a word
Speaker 2: like it's going to be all gash plays all the time.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a coming where where that defense is
Speaker 2: going to win a couple of times. But the good
Speaker 2: thing about b Robb is that he's able to plow
Speaker 2: through those guys and keep his legs churning and come
Speaker 2: up with these with these really gritty plays and.
Speaker 1: Occasionally has the speed to bust out of there.
Speaker 4: All right, So.
Speaker 2: After hearing everyone's points, I have tallied up the scores
Speaker 2: and Chick, it looks.
Speaker 1: Like you are the victim by one point. How you
Speaker 1: feel about that?
Speaker 3: It's Gotti hate it.
Speaker 4: I didn't know, Like first of all, I didn't even
Speaker 4: know where allowed to use spouses. I mean, I could
Speaker 4: have my wife up here telling me some proud you
Speaker 4: could have could have next time.
Speaker 1: Next time.
Speaker 2: You'll have to keep in mind that it is a
Speaker 2: group effort, not just not just one.
Speaker 4: Next time, I'm just gonna refer to a Selby article
Speaker 4: and then I'm sure i'll win immediately.
Speaker 1: Oh, in that case, that is definitely going to be
Speaker 1: a win.
Speaker 4: I read this from you, Zach this week, and you know,
Speaker 4: I'll see how that gets me.
Speaker 5: I just want to I just have one I mean,
Speaker 5: this is, this is I think this is the key
Speaker 5: to this entire week.
Speaker 3: And I have one question, and that is what kind
Speaker 3: of hair product do you use?
Speaker 1: Zach oh Man?
Speaker 2: You know, uh, it's a really simple palm made. I
Speaker 2: use a very kind It's the it's the Dove palm
Speaker 2: mad Uh Okay, yeah, not a whole lot, you know,
Speaker 2: just just a dabble, do you And you know my
Speaker 2: hair every day you gotta get the heat protected to
Speaker 2: make sure, you know, you know, mess up your hair
Speaker 2: because you're your blow drying your hair every day.
Speaker 3: But heat protected.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've never heard of this in my natural born life.
Speaker 2: Well as someone who is fallically challenged, I would imagine it.
Speaker 3: Hey, I can grow let's let's be I can grow
Speaker 3: a full head of hair.
Speaker 5: I just don't I don't want to see any of
Speaker 5: the Grayce. I grew hair a couple of years ago.
Speaker 5: We're really going off topic here. I grew hair a
Speaker 5: couple of years ago and died it blonde for a
Speaker 5: bet with somebody on on social media.
Speaker 3: And when folks don't know, uh, as I grew up,
Speaker 3: I grew it.
Speaker 5: We took a picture of it, and I won a couple,
Speaker 5: let's just say, a fair amount of dollars from somebody
Speaker 5: on social media because they said that I was folloic
Speaker 5: a challenge and couldn't grow hair. Uh.
Speaker 3: They were drastically wrong.
Speaker 5: So I can grow it, uh and bind you my
Speaker 5: The top hairline is receeating like Daryl Green on a
Speaker 5: on a fly pattern.
Speaker 3: But I can still grow the full head. But I
Speaker 3: don't like the way it looks.
Speaker 5: So I think when I retire in about seventeen years,
Speaker 5: I'll let it wave out.
Speaker 2: You know, I stay corrected for sure, and hey, you
Speaker 2: know what the look works for you.
Speaker 1: Chick, I'll all that and I'll give you that appreciate.
Speaker 4: That's why I'm offended about Joe Burrow. Somebody, as you know,
Speaker 4: as you get older, doesn't grow as well as it
Speaker 4: used to, and you're like, well, what, how dare this
Speaker 4: guy Brouin a perfectly good head of hair with whatever
Speaker 4: he did to himself.
Speaker 3: How dare that's very yeah, I don't know what that is.
Speaker 3: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 5: I'm sure in that locker room, that Bengals locker room,
Speaker 5: they must be thinking, Joe, seriously, what do you what
Speaker 5: do you want?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Tom Cones for all of us, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure Joe Burrow myself, we'll be dealing with several
Speaker 2: follicle challenges as we as we get into the fifties
Speaker 2: and sixties. But guys, this has been fantastic. I really
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