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Speaker 1: at this day and age. Oh I think that's Nancy.

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Speaker 2: Hi, it's Nancy.

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Speaker 1: Oh, come right up, Nancy Hi, Vera, Nancy Karrigan. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Vera Wang. We're so excited to have you here.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much for having me. I'm so nervous.

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Speaker 2: I'm just a tomboy from stone and Massachusetts who happens

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know where Stonem is, but I know

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Speaker 1: that we can make you look stone beautiful on that

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Speaker 2: Oh what would I do without you? Vera? Did you

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Speaker 2: get the cassette tape I sent you with the music

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Speaker 2: I'm Gonna skate.

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Speaker 1: To, Yes, the Beauty and the Beast soundtrack.

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Speaker 2: Yes. Did you think it was beautiful? Oh?

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Speaker 1: It really inspired me to create some of these sequinned designs.

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Speaker 2: I grew up wearing hand me down jeans from Annon hope.

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Speaker 2: So the fact that you're dressing me is it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Let me show you this one particular spandex outfit. I

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, let me try this on. This is beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I've never felt more bird like in

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Speaker 1: Wow. I know you're just five to three, but you

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Speaker 2: This will help me do a triple toe loop Axle

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Speaker 1: Oh, don't worry. I won't tell the press any of

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Speaker 1: your not that vicious remarks about your fellow competitors.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Vera. You know Donna Karen actually offered to

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Speaker 2: Vera Away.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I've always said my designs look

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Speaker 2: Never had them. I'm kind of a tomboy.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned that, but I like men. Good luck at

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Speaker 1: the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Who's that knocking at the door.

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Speaker 2: It's all your friends.

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Speaker 1: You've filthy horse, your husband's gone, and we've got books

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Speaker 2: It's Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: It's books, it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoir. It's Martini.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity book Club. Read it while it's hot. Celebrity book Club.

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Speaker 1: Say it loud and cloud Celebrity book Club.

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Speaker 2: I brought the queer vow. Hey, best friend, how are

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Speaker 2: you on this cold cold morning?

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Speaker 1: On this wintry morning, it's icy cold? You might even say, hmmmm,

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Speaker 1: I'm curled up in my gorgeous Margella cardigan, which at

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Speaker 2: I've literally addicted to books. I'm going back to like

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Speaker 1: You have another book that we've somehow read this week.

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Speaker 2: Can you believe it? Ken? You believe me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which I saw prominently displayed at Bronson Noble.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because she doesn't have a movie. No, we are

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Speaker 2: Caragan and her book in my own true words what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thoughts for my need for gender reformation stops is.

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Speaker 2: Well, also, do you think she had such Eastern European

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Speaker 2: I know there's been a lot of construction the big

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Speaker 1: So you do not wear that out to legal seafoods

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Speaker 2: And when you're at legal seafoods, you act like a

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Speaker 1: Yes, the insane attack. So before Tanya goes ahead and

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Speaker 2: Which Tanya still does not lay claim to have organizing.

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Speaker 1: was just like, Nancy, what are you doing? Your routine

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Speaker 1: and that lack of consistency is killing you. You need

438
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Speaker 1: to have a routine.

439
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 2: This book is so boring and I almost broke at

440
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 2: this part because she should really stretched out. She goes,

441
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 2: sometimes you stretch, sometimes you don't, right.

442
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 1: Because even when she's trying to be so like I

443
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 1: had the like medium tough childhood of like skating a lot.

444
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 1: And it wasn't even that her parents were that tough.

445
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: Like her mom would just be like, honey, if you're tired,

446
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: go back to bed.

447
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 2: And then she'd be like and then I would decide

448
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 2: I'd want to skate. So I'd say, Mom, I do

449
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 2: want to skate, and she would say, I guess I'll

450
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 2: make breakfast.

451
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: You're just like, wow, I'm on the edge of my

452
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 1: seat and answer.

453
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 2: It's also so this like no emotion thing where she's

454
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 2: always being like so modest and be like I never

455
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 2: wanted to be a star. But I also never even

456
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 2: like expressed why I loved skating so much. I just

457
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 2: wanted to do.

458
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: It, you know, And that maybe is this you know,

459
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: Massachusetts puritanical, tight lipped, irish kind of energy that's happening there.

460
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: Because I'll say this, please be honest, I would say

461
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: that her skating is not like tight, it's not so

462
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: like artistic and creative and like she does have grace

463
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: and poise and like that it makes her very early

464
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: nineties like American figure skater.

465
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: She is more graceful, poised, early nineties pointy faced where

466
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,719
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, now we have who's the famous

467
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 2: gay guy who's skates, Oh, Johnny Weir.

468
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's no Johnny Weir.

469
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah that's what I'm saying. She's she's no Johnny insane

470
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 2: fat but like you know, it was nineteen ninety three. Yeah,

471
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 2: she's also taller. I just feel like she has three

472
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 2: Oh I imagine she's like five eight.

473
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 1: I mean that's because of the elegance and grace and

474
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 1: I her long neck, and there's a swan like quality

475
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: to her. And again, like I will say, being pale

476
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: is very winter coded, which makes her very good at

477
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: like the Winter Olympics, and like makes people root for her.

478
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: And I think the dark hair and the pale skin

479
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: is very like the contrast is like very intense.

480
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: Yes, And she she has about ninety five relatives who

481
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 2: live in the Greatest Stone Amara, as she listed at

482
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 2: the beginning of the booth.

483
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: I live eight miles away from my parents. My brothers

484
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: live within ten to fifteen minutes. And you're like, was

485
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 1: this necessary?

486
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like this is all you're going to give us.

487
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: And then at the end of the book she goes,

488
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,959
Speaker 2: this is after she spends about two minutes on like

489
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: Tanya's whatever bodyguard like decapitating her. She goes, on a

490
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: personal level, I'm married. Now, It's like.

491
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: Okay, and that's the end of that sentence.

492
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 2: Okay. Here's how she describes the attack.

493
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 1: Kind of just just to preface it a little bit

494
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: more so, like she had been training so much and

495
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: was now like in a really good position and like

496
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: she actually was like being kind of best in the world.

497
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: Christie retires between the ninety two and ninety four Olympics.

498
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 2: And she goes there was a whole new group of girls.

499
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: Yep, and you're like, okakay, and then there's like Kwan

500
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: is kind of coming up but still young and untested whatever.

501
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's not like hanging with Kwan. And also

502
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 2: I would say in her like her first Olympics was

503
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 2: she said it was the most fun she's ever had

504
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 2: in her life. She would go up to anyone in

505
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: a USA jacket and they would just have lunch and laugh. Though,

506
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 2: I feel it's like the Olympic village now is like

507
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 2: so sexy and like everyone is fucking yeah.

508
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: It's like the tinder's going all the way off at

509
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: the Olympic Village now. I'm sure there's so many Rahmen activations. Definitely,

510
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm like back then it was very just like you're

511
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: going to a mess hall and you're getting like carrots.

512
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 2: I think it's like they're having like one slice of

513
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: pizza hut.

514
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

515
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 2: And then like her craziest stories, she goes skiing with

516
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 2: the downhill skiers.

517
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: And they couldn't believe that she could keep pace. Yeah,

518
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: I'm a tomboy from Stoneham. I can keep pace with you.

519
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: Skiers from the Olympics for.

520
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 2: The type of girl who like, it's a very mess

521
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: to say I have a lot of brothers. Yeah, like

522
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,239
Speaker 2: I would say that's a defining factor of the New

523
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: England area. Yes to bros, whether you're from Maine, whether

524
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: you're from Stoneham or New Hampshire, because it means.

525
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, Shua, we're a brother town.

526
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're brother town. You have a pickup trump.

527
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: So in the lead up to the nineteen ninety four Olympics,

528
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: Nancy is doing her best skates ever. She is poised

529
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 1: to be the number one figures here in the world

530
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: post Yama Gucci taking a goddamn seat bye, And it's

531
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: very like already there's this rivalry between her and Tanya,

532
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: like middle class Nancy, trashy West Coast Oregon. Tanya a

533
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: child of divorce, and Nancy is like, my parents are

534
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: happily married and my mother is legally blind.

535
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 2: And also again, Tanya had this crimped hair, right, the

536
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: hair of a wore, the hair of a whore. And

537
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: this is before Portland, Ya, honey.

538
00:26:53,400 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: Okay Portland didn't mean like so fixy bike and choice guns. Yes,

539
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: that's vibes. Okay, what I was really surprised by was

540
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 1: so the attack was in Detroit, in the same like

541
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: convention center where these championships were going on. There was

542
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: a car show.

543
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: Why did that surprise you?

544
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: It really adds tex sure to this.

545
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 2: She adds kind of a water game.

546
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's Watergate, but b it's like, you know,

547
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: it's like so Javets and we're going to the dog show,

548
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: but there's also like a boat show happening, yes, and

549
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: it's like there's just a lot of chaos. Chaos is

550
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: raining and also like they did hit her with a

551
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: tire iron, which is like kind of a car car.

552
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: No, you're right. It adds to this like eighties and

553
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: nineties thriller thing where you're at a hotel, there's a

554
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: car conference, there's a boat show, and there's like all

555
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: these people in polos and business women with folders walking

556
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: by and they're like dressing up as a Honda salesman.

557
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

558
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: So, Nancy, I didn't know this was already having a

559
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: little bit of ankle and knee trouble before the attack,

560
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: and then she literally just describes it as being like

561
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 2: in a hallway and then all of a sudden being

562
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: knocked out.

563
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: She sees a guy out of the corner of her

564
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: eye and then all of a sudden he strikes her

565
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: and she's just like it was unimaginable pain. And we've

566
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: all seen the famous video. She's crying, he's holding her.

567
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: And what I think is so interesting is that video

568
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: instantly endeared her to the world, like you're seeing, you know,

569
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: this little snow angel, our girl from Girl from Stone

570
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: Girl get literally stoned. And there she is, and she

571
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: couldn't be more fragile.

572
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 2: Well in those skate outfits, excuse me, Nancy Kerrigan. All

573
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: of her outfits are done by Vera Wang. Vera Wang,

574
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: and Vera Wang listens to her skating music to become

575
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: inspired to make the dress.

576
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: Okay, So at one point she skates to Beauty and

577
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 1: the Beast and then she falls a bunch and then

578
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: there's a headline that's like it was more Beast than Beauty,

579
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: which is really no. Another point, she skates to Born

580
00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: in the fourth of July, which I think is a

581
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: great choice for her because it's so like East Coast and.

582
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: Like America early nineties.

583
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: Here's my question, Yeah, what would you skate to? Oh?

584
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: Such a good question, I think I would be so

585
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: America and I would surprised skate to two choices. I

586
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: would go Bruce Springsteen and.

587
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: Do hot, copying Nancy Gert No, I would.

588
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: Do I'm on Fire. I would do kind of a

589
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: sexier track.

590
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, an eighties song with those like big toms, you know,

591
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: I feel like that can those are good for jumps

592
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: like bam yeah.

593
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: Or like a Virgin, which is favorite. I would also

594
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: do it. I feel like skating to Taylor. Oh may

595
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: say to Romeo and Juliet.

596
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: Mean white Horse or sorry, love story, love story baby,

597
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: just say.

598
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: And there's like this crazy finale.

599
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: Wow. I didn't even consider Taylor.

600
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: Because it makes it too real, right, So.

601
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: Actually I was thinking for me, but actually for you

602
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: more would be Fergie, be Italian.

603
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: It's big white yeah, like I could be so sweeping

604
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: but like fun at the same time. I think if

605
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: I was a zamboni driver, which I was always to

606
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: a zamboni routine to yeah, god, there's like a smr

607
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: stuff when you see a zamboni make the ice smooth?

608
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: Oh god, nothing is cooler. Let me just say this,

609
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: please be honest.

610
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: When I see a freshly zambonied court, yes, because it

611
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: looks too slick, it looks wet. I get nervous for

612
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: the skaters.

613
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: Not even for you, You're for others.

614
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: I want a little bit of the scrunch and the

615
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: powder there, just to like give me a little bit

616
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: more friction.

617
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't personally want to get on

618
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: a freshly zambonied but just.

619
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: The look of it is beautiful. Maybe you should have

620
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: a freshly sambonied ice wall in your home.

621
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: I love that it's an activation. I went skating last

622
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: winter or something, and I really related with Kerigan because

623
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: she talks about if you have the wrong skates, you

624
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: can like seriously hurt yourself. And at first they gave

625
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: me these two tight skates and like my feet were

626
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: sticking out so bad, and I was like, literally it

627
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: was never in more pain in my life. And then

628
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: I asked for a different pair and I was skating

629
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: beautiful around these fourteen year old teens who were skating

630
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: faster than me.

631
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: But so it is all about the right skate.

632
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: It's all about the right.

633
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: Skates, Okay. I think that I would skate to h

634
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: part of me things Jimi.

635
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: Or Kwi oh virtual ones. I mean that done.

636
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: It could be this like conceptual like piece about technology

637
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: and I'm like pulling out like a keyboard and like

638
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: breaking in and like dressed like a USB drive and

639
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: it's like virtual insanity.

640
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: Oh but you're also skating the Apple symbol.

641
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and it's like so adbusters triple LUTs. I

642
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: kind of love that.

643
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually perfect no notes.

644
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: Okay, here's the thing about Nancy though, where it's like

645
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: she did nail her ninety four routine and I kind

646
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: of do think she should have won the gold, just

647
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: because it's like, you know what, she fully got hit.

648
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: Give her the gold.

649
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: That was just really insane.

650
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: To give it to the fourteen year old Ugrainian.

651
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: To be watching the Olympics after us stoneum girl got

652
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: hit and watching her get silver.

653
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, because she actually did nail the routine, and it's

654
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: kind of like, isn't that what it's all about? Grace

655
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: under pressure, poise after a fall. It's really wild, like

656
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: just give her.

657
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: The But the Olympics, even if she was the most perfect,

658
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Speaker 2: I feel like they want to show how judging focus

659
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: they are that they're like, oh well no, because if

660
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: we give her the gold, everyone's kind of think we

661
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: just gave her the gold because she had a.

662
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: Great pr No, I know it, they overcorrect trying to

663
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: seem like they're impartial. I mean, you remember the twenty

664
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: eighteen Peong Chang Olympics. Hardly remember that insane little Russian

665
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: girl like Evgenya like Medgyiv. Yes, who like is the

666
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: one who does the sailor moon routines?

667
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, And.

668
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: She's so fun and like she nailed her routine to

669
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: the wall, got the highest score in like the history

670
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: of Olympic judging, and then her teammate right after her

671
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: got a higher score and won the gold, just because

672
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: her teammate was like more kind of like muscular in

673
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: my opinion, and they were trying to be like, oh,

674
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: her jumps were like more powerful, and I'm kind of like,

675
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, where's the respect for artistry?

676
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, the Olympics hates.

677
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: Fun, Yeah, they really do. Although I do have to

678
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: say when most ice skaters, Nancy included, are trying to

679
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: do like fun, it's so weird and stilted in.

680
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: Fat well, yeah, because I mean, I guess that's why

681
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: I also liked Tanya, because she was being like more

682
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: makeup and trashy and outfits. Yeah, and there was like

683
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: more grit because it's like Nancy was stiff and doing

684
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: the things, but it's like Tanya's was like badass. She's

685
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: hitting the things, but just like it's smooth, but it's

686
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: not smooth.

687
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: It's pomped well, you know. And that's I guess why

688
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: I liked Nancy's ninety four Lillehammer performance. It's because it

689
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: had the most personality because she had been hit. Ye,

690
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: suddenly there was a story there that wasn't there before.

691
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: And it's like her story of just being I was

692
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: kind of a tomboy. It's not crazy.

693
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: I was kind of a tomboy and I skated a

694
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: lot in Cape Cod like didn't really do it for me.

695
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: So she does say that she does think Tanya knew,

696
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: and she says that in the book, which I did

697
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: appreciate what that was probably the closest thing to dirt

698
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: in the book where she was just like the Olympic

699
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: committee decided that Tanya did not have advanced knowledge, so

700
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: she was allowed to compete in the Olympics with me,

701
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: But like, I think it was clear that she did

702
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: because the investigators like had concluded that she did. So

703
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: she thinks that Tanya is an absolute snake and full

704
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: of shit and it wasn't just like her ex does

705
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: the movie suggest that she knew that. The movie kind

706
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: of gives her the benefit.

707
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: Well, the whole thing is because her ex husband was

708
00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 2: really abusive, right, So I think basically it is kind

709
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 2: of like maybe the abuse of husband like told her

710
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 2: this was a good idea.

711
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: I feel the movie kind of makes it seem like

712
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: she was a little like, ooh, don't do that, Like

713
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: but if.

714
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 2: You do, I don't know, yeah, like a little bit,

715
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: I'm looking the other way. So it's like ex husband,

716
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: but then also this like huge bodyguard and then this

717
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: other guys involved anyway, So their interaction after the hit

718
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: is like Nancy Kurrican is I f really trying to

719
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: get a little bit of like intel, because she says

720
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: to Tanya like, hasn't been a good year for both

721
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: of us?

722
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: Oh wait, But I feel like that's also just her

723
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: being kind of when you run into your ex coded

724
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: a little bit where you see your ex and you're

725
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: just kind of like like, oh, hey, it's crazy crazy, right,

726
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: And Tanya was just like hello, and like that's just

727
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: an insane thing to say. To someone who's like under

728
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 1: investigation for hiring her ex husband to like kill you.

729
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like one thing to say to your ex. One

730
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: thing to say be like, oh your ex husband like

731
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 2: kid me with a crowbar? Year? Am I right? Holiday shopping?

732
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: One more thing about expensive uniforms. There's a Boston children's

733
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: dance company based somewhere in the North Shore that keeps

734
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: on calling me even though I've told them they have

735
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: the wrong number. And the reason why I'm so insistent

736
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: on telling them they have the wrong number is because

737
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: clearly they think I am a mom who is always

738
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: forgetting to pay for the child's costumes. Like it's been like, hey,

739
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: we haven't received the check for Betsy's lessons yet and

740
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: the costumes, so just give me a call back when

741
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: you can and maybe resend the check. And they all

742
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: seem like really important questions for this girl's dance career,

743
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: I know, and it sounds expensive.

744
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: I wonder if she's so dance mom or if the

745
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: girl so motivated. That's the question. Is the girl a

746
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: nancy or is like the girl just being forced into it?

747
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: God, I don't know.

748
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: Maybe the girl's more of a nancy. And this is

749
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: why this mom is not always paying because she doesn't

750
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: have the money, but she's trying to describe it.

751
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: That's what I think it is. Yeah, I don't think

752
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: this mom is the stage mom, because then I don't

753
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: think there would be this wrong number confusion.

754
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. One thing I thought was interesting about

755
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: this book, probably one of the more interesting parts was

756
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: like some of the skating descriptions when she talks about

757
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: what you do if, like you think you can't totally

758
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: make a rotation. So in skating, it's all about the jumps,

759
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 1: and it's all about the triple jumps, triple axul, triple toe,

760
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: triple Saukow, triple lutz.

761
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, sawcow, that was a new term I learned.

762
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: Okay, they're always saying that when you went to the books,

763
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: they're always like triple Saukow, triple toe, triple toe, and

764
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: triple salkow. She landed it into the triple lutz. But

765
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: I think it's named after someone whose name was Saukou.

766
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, I remember watching the twenty eighteen Winter Olympics.

767
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: And they're always just being like a triple tow, triple toe.

768
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: I guess I was just like triple toe. It's like

769
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 2: all triple lutz and I've missed the soucow and that's

770
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: that's on me.

771
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: So what's interesting about it is if you like feel

772
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: like you're not going to fully make a rotation, you

773
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: can be like, you know what, I'm only gonna do

774
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: a double and like then they know, like the judges

775
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: know you're supposed to do a triple there, and like

776
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: you'll get less points for it. But if you're watching

777
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: at home, it kind of looks like you just landed

778
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: the jump and nailed it. But then if you really know,

779
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: then you're like, oh, she actually like didn't have enough speed,

780
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: so she only did two. But you're Something else I

781
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: learned from this book is that you always leave room

782
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: later in the routine so you can put in an

783
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: extra jump if you missed one. So it's actually a

784
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: little less regimented than you might think. And I think

785
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 1: that's interesting that you're making all those calculations on the ice,

786
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: which makes it that much more impressive.

787
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: It needs the element of surprise, because how else would

788
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: you win if you didn't have that space right to

789
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: throw in something crazy. Yeah at the.

790
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: End, I mean you win because you're hoping that other

791
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: people also like get more deductions and fuck.

792
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: Up, Wow, I didn't know you thought of it in

793
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: such a negative way. I'm a good sportsman, so yeah,

794
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: I actually don't celebrate when I'm off the ice, and

795
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 2: I also just look for the element of surprise.

796
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: But I appreciated that she was giving a little bit

797
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: of insight into the into the actual like mechanics of skating,

798
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: even if she doesn't really give that much insight I

799
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: would say, into the artist, the skating, into the kind

800
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: of like artistry.

801
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: Well, the thing I found interesting was about like the

802
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: use of music when you're doing figures, when you're learning,

803
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: like you have to work up to be able to

804
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,479
Speaker 2: skate to music, like that's a treat. Yeah, you don't

805
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 2: just get music all of a sudden, which makes sense.

806
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 2: I always get distracted.

807
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: I guess I've always felt though that in every ice

808
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: skating performance I've ever seen that it doesn't like totally

809
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: sync up in this way where I'm just a little

810
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: bit like what if it's SYNCD more.

811
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: Well, I think it has changed because people have gotten

812
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: more liberal and funky. And her choreographer, she had a

813
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: coach and then she had a choreographer, would spend hours

814
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: in probably some tiny office, okay in Lowell listening to tapes,

815
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 2: listening to CDs and then editing the tapes.

816
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: Well, no, this is the crazy part. It's like they're

817
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: doing this all in you know, some sort of like real.

818
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 2: She'd be like editing a Miles Davis cassette from Strawberries

819
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: just like another word.

820
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: She's driving to a Strawberries and Dan verse to try

821
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: to get like this whatever back issue of Miles Davis.

822
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't like they do now, and you know they

823
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: have access to every song.

824
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: I feel like they are just like, oh that's a

825
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: fun song. I want to sting to it. You know,

826
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: you're not rabbing a song.

827
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: And I think, and we need to celebrate her coaches

828
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: and greographers from making an effort on the real to

829
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: real and the choreographers.

830
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: Way did you know? I was like on her Instagram

831
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: Nancy now like she has like a jam and stonem

832
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: and she's like always chilling for like a mattress company,

833
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: which is so former athlete. That's very Dan Marino.

834
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 1: That drags like a local mattress not just like purple

835
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: or like some new one.

836
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: I think it's like a local mattress chain company.

837
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: Also, what's so Stoneum about Nancy Kerrigan is that her

838
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: like main charity is the Lions Club.

839
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's like it's like Lions Club. And then

840
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: we do an array of charities. Oh well, and she

841
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: is very like for Sight because her mom's like half blind.

842
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: Right, and we celebrate her mom's disability and are working

843
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: to raise awareness. Also, when she finishes many for Olympics,

844
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: she goes on a Campbell's soup tour.

845
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: That was in sanat and she goes and I went

846
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 2: on a professional Campbell's soup tour, oh, which reminded me.

847
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: So she gets in the professional circuit and again how

848
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 2: like figure skater pilled childhood was. I remember going to

849
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: the Fleet Senna with my sister and my mom and

850
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: her mom and her friend's mom to go see a like,

851
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: you know, Olympics on ice and we did see Michelle

852
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: Kwan and we saw like a bunch.

853
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: Of people another silver medalist. I feel like silver is

854
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: actually where all the most famous girls are, like the

855
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: girl I just mentioned silver, Michelle Silver, Nancy Silver, because.

856
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: Gold you burn out. Yeah, I think you can be

857
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 2: silver and then get on that circuit, right, Campbell.

858
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: Soups, Campbell circuits and Campbell's pipes really fun.

859
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 2: I remember being so like in my huge Patriots jacket,

860
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: like popcorn watching with Guano se what does she win?

861
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: What does she eat?

862
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: How does she live?

863
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: Does she fair away? But now I feel she's so

864
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: like Kathy Ireland, like I feel like she's so like

865
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: white cotton turtleneck.

866
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: She is kind of which again still so like ninety

867
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: I mean just picturing the most like sitable like white

868
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: turtleneck and like stonewashed, like tapered jeans, tapered and cropped.

869
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: I think she also was like tapered and cropped.

870
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: She's like cinnamon mom Christian Winter style cinnamon. Like. I

871
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: think she's wearing like a big burgundy turtleneck from Macy's.

872
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: But I do wonder if now in the current current Nancy,

873
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: I do think she is Macy's. But is she a

874
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: little bit more like almost like a velvety It's like

875
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: with that weird material, It's like a lot like is

876
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: a cardigan, but it's not.

877
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: I think she is very like Amazon clothes. Okay, and

878
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 2: I think she wears like Sketchers sneakers or just six

879
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 2: Nikes from Coals.

880
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you think her glamour puss days are so

881
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: behind her.

882
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 2: I think she has some gowns for the Lion.

883
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 3: But I think when she goes out to like whatever,

884
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: like the wild Flower like in Stoneham, like the one

885
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 3: like nice restaurant in Stoneham that's having the most balsamic

886
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 3: clays mozzarella, she's wearing like a collared shirt under a

887
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: sweater and she being just like kind of preppy.

888
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: I think she's in a cowl nuts sweater that has

889
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: like buttons and random places.

890
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: Okay, I actually know now. I think she's even less glam.

891
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: I think she's like a half zip.

892
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: Because her husband's definitely in a quarter zip. He's an

893
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: a Nautica quarter zip. And then she's in like kind

894
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: of a crazy cowl man.

895
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: And then no, I think she's an Amazon half zip.

896
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: It was burgundy.

897
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: It's red.

898
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: No it's not. It was bright red in two thousand

899
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: and five, and fine, it's burgundy, Okay, burgundy halfsip.

900
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: What does she eat?

901
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: What does she eat? It's like nineties health. I think

902
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 2: it's chicken breast, breast. She's like me, yeah, she loves breast.

903
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: Can I say you were dragging me for like making

904
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: breast the other day? And I tried to cook thighs

905
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: recently and it was really difficult and like wasn't working.

906
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: I cooked breast the other day for chicken little soup.

907
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 1: I slayed it. It slammed, it was so good.

908
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: Well, how did you? I feel like you didn't let

909
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: it seer long enough.

910
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: But it's harder to let it. See there's a less

911
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: serviceer that's going to touch the pan went searing with

912
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: the thigh.

913
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: No, I think we need a full cooking lesson on thighs.

914
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: Moving on, I'm just.

915
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: Saying you're angry. I'm literally have fun with your breast.

916
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, literally experiment.

917
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: I tried and it was hard, and so I went

918
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: back to breast.

919
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: Okay, keep on going. We can do hard things. Okay. Yeah,

920
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: And she's like packing lunches and she's like slow cooker,

921
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: like she's herbed pork tenderloin.

922
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: Oh, she thinks she's so my mom and doing this

923
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: like one New York Times taco recipe, but she's like

924
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: a Boston Globe taco rescipse.

925
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 2: It's a Boston Globe taco recipe. Yeah, but also just

926
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 2: like an herbed roasted pork line.

927
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: Okay, how does she live I'm picturing this like dark,

928
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: having mahogany desk in the office stacked with Boston heralds,

929
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: and she's just like, Tom, where's that recipe. She's going

930
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: through all these old hairs.

931
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: Going through the halls, being like I can't find the recipe.

932
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: Where's that pesto recipe?

933
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 2: And then she's like pulling up maybe like a Nigella

934
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: Losson book Randomly.

935
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: I don't think she's so Nigel Losson. I think she's.

936
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 2: A little bit more Martha Stewart, Yes, joy of cooking.

937
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: She has a Connecticut energy about her.

938
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: It's more the Jaws. It's very Connecticut. Yeah, Connecticut people.

939
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: Maybe Nigel is too far. Clearly, I think she has

940
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 2: deals with.

941
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 1: She's a little bit more printed out recipes for Martha

942
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: Stewart dot com. And that's what's on her vial on

943
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: the heavy mahogany.

944
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: Typing right now, and she's like, Tom, we need more ink.

945
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: No, they're loading up on the HP cartridge is left

946
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: and right.

947
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: And I feel like she has like a deal with

948
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: Jordan's furniture or something else where, like she's doing an

949
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: ad for them or something, and she's getting like a

950
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: three piece leather couch.

951
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: Okay, it's funny you just said leather. I was like,

952
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: they're definitely big. They're definitely like huge couches, but I'm like,

953
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 1: I actually thought they were more like soft fabric.

954
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: Well, the upstairs of her home as carpeted for sure. Yeah.

955
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: The Stone of Winters, Yeah, Stone and Winter is like

956
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: carpeted stairs up to the carpeted upstairs. Yes, and then

957
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: I think the downstairs had would she.

958
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: Has a doll. But the houses are really clean.

959
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: They had Ariano rugs for a long time, and then

960
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: like two years ago they got new overstocking, which is

961
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: now part of the bed and Beyond family.

962
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: I think it's like there's a rumba up in that

963
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: house that's always going and it's like scaring in the

964
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 2: Golden Retriever.

965
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: That house.

966
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 2: Who are you in the book?

967
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 1: Okay, you wish you were talking.

968
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: I wish I was talking.

969
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: So do you I know?

970
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 2: Hmm, oh you know who you are? You're like spending

971
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: too much time editing the Miles Davis tape. Yeah, here's

972
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 2: a choreographer being.

973
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: Like I'm not the real to real, just being like

974
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: I need to like get it perfect.

975
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: Perfect, and they're like we need the track for her

976
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 2: like and I'm just like an Errigansett show.

977
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: It's another two days until regional is in Naragansett.

978
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: Would she was being like, oh, that's a homesick when

979
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 2: I go to Rhode Island.

980
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: She was just like when we did the Cohasset Cup,

981
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: I was homesick.

982
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 2: I am maybe I'm like one of her brothers who's

983
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: giving her the green sweat shirt.

984
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: You're so giving.

985
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: Oh wait, I'm the blind mom who needs the TV

986
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: like near to me.

987
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: I am raising awareness for your site issues the Lions

988
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: Club in Okay.

989
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: Okay, listen, Nancy.

990
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: I give this book two tire irons out of five.

991
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 2: Maybe that girl. I give this almost like a zero sorry,

992
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: zero point nine stonehum small businesses.

993
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: Out of five little in this book.

994
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: This is not qualifying for championships. It's not qualifying for regionals. No,

995
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 2: it was so.

996
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: Literally eighth place at regionals, just like you missed every job.

997
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's no t there's literally nothing in this book.

998
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: It's for eight year olds.

999
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: On a personal level, I got married.

1000
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: But Nancy, and you always will be and you should

1001
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: have won gold.

1002
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: Hell yes, and like you're a beautiful skater. And like

1003
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 2: I will remember you always and forever.

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Speaker 1: Ghost Ghost stone Umte.

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Speaker 2: This episode of Celebrity book Club with Stephen and Lilly

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00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: was originally conceded and produced in Stoneham, Massachusetts, with the

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Speaker 2: rink prolonged projects. This podcast is produced by Dabby Masts.

1008
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: She lent me a pair of custom ice skates that

1009
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Speaker 2: I did end up breaking my foot on, but it

1010
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: was still very nice of her. Supervising producers Abu Zafar.

1011
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 2: He made me my first skating dress. The executive producer

1012
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 2: is Christina Everett. She's a legend in this industry. She's

1013
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: now retired in the North Carolina. The atwork is done

1014
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 2: by Teddy Blanks. I will be auctioning some of his

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Speaker 2: paintings off to the Lions Club in Danvers this Saturday

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Speaker 2: and ask for Betsy. The theme song was Roused You,

1019
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Speaker 2: done by Stephen Flip's horse. I skated to one of

1020
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Speaker 2: his songs once and then I was disqualified because it

1021
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Speaker 2: was too rambunctious. God what else?

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Speaker 1: I think?

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