Speaker 1: Hell I Suck at Dating with de Nungler and Jared
Speaker 1: Haven and I heard radio podcast What's going on? Everyone,
Speaker 1: Welcome to a special Sunday Quick episode of Help I
Speaker 1: Suck at Dating. We had to do this. Well, you
Speaker 1: don't have to do it, of course, we don't have
Speaker 1: to do anything, but we wanted to do this. Um,
Speaker 1: Jared especially wants to do this because because there was
Speaker 1: a big proposal and Bachelor Nation biggest proposal of the
Speaker 1: year perhaps, and um, yeah, we just want to take
Speaker 1: a second talk about it. So. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys saw Kalin's Instagram post the other day, but
Speaker 1: Kalin proposed to me, Calin proposed to you. We said
Speaker 1: so when Klein was on the podcast, she said she
Speaker 1: was going to do it before years over, and it's
Speaker 1: still two so she's stuck to her promise. Did you
Speaker 1: know who was coming? She squeaked it in I she
Speaker 1: she is suspicious that I think that she thinks that
Speaker 1: I knew that it was coming, but I had no idea.
Speaker 1: She just said maybe a few weeks ago or a
Speaker 1: month ago, that to save December at two thirty because
Speaker 1: she's got a date plan for me, and I thought
Speaker 1: she just like what I thought it was was I've
Speaker 1: I've been talking to her about wanting to do the
Speaker 1: there's like a speedway here in Vegas where you can
Speaker 1: like drive a Ferrari around a race track, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that sounds so cool, and we've like tried to do
Speaker 1: it in the past, like when my brothers are here,
Speaker 1: but it hasn't worked out. And so I thought that
Speaker 1: she was like just planning, like this is a fun
Speaker 1: thing that I've wanted to do for a long time.
Speaker 1: And then we started driving the opposite direction, so I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, can't be that. And then I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're taking me on a helicopter ride over red rocks
Speaker 1: because we've been talking about I want to do that
Speaker 1: for a long time too. And then we pull up
Speaker 1: and and like she hadn't told me anything of what
Speaker 1: we were doing or anything like that. And then we
Speaker 1: pull up and I see horses, and I look at
Speaker 1: her and I go, you son of a gun, because
Speaker 1: she knows I I it's not that I hate horses.
Speaker 1: I have a fear of them. I don't trust them,
Speaker 1: and they're so powerful and big and muscular and strong
Speaker 1: that like if a horse doesn't like you, and you're
Speaker 1: on it, good luck, because yeah, you're gonna get dragged,
Speaker 1: you're gonna break some bones, and it's nothing that you're
Speaker 1: doing wrong theoretically. Like I, you know, I grew up
Speaker 1: riding motorcycles. I still ride motorcycles. A motorcycle doesn't have
Speaker 1: ulterior motives. A motorcycle does what you tell it to
Speaker 1: do a percent of the time. Horses not so much.
Speaker 1: So people make that comparison sometimes not a good comparison.
Speaker 1: In my book, horse motorcycle doesn't have alternative motives until um,
Speaker 1: the future comes and the machines turn on us. But
Speaker 1: that's still along waves away. I would agree I've never
Speaker 1: felt less in control or less powerful than when I
Speaker 1: was on a horse, because I agree my horse there,
Speaker 1: you know, they tell you like, oh, go like this
Speaker 1: to go left, go like that to go right, and
Speaker 1: then go like this to stop the horse. And then
Speaker 1: we were rodding, and then I went like this to
Speaker 1: stop the horse, and the horse didn't stop, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, this is all this is
Speaker 1: literally all I have. There's nothing else I can do.
Speaker 1: And then finally the horse slowed down after a couple
Speaker 1: of seconds. But for a good three seconds. I was like,
Speaker 1: I got nothing. I'm done. And like the way that
Speaker 1: I kept keep rationalizing it in my head is like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: it's a horse, and like it doesn't want to do
Speaker 1: anything crazy, it's not going to try to hurt itself,
Speaker 1: but like it could stumble. I was getting on my
Speaker 1: horse and I still had no idea what her plan was.
Speaker 1: But I was just getting on the horse to like
Speaker 1: start the ride, and it was like a big horse.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I was like asking the girl
Speaker 1: that was guiding us. I was like, hey, this this
Speaker 1: horse can support my weight? Right, Like you know, I'm
Speaker 1: a big guy. I'm I'm I'm heavy, swarz and get
Speaker 1: out of here that horse. You're like a fly on
Speaker 1: the back of that horse. I'm a bigger than average
Speaker 1: human being. I would definitely say that's true. And I
Speaker 1: was getting on the horse. Issue carry your tiny ass, okay.
Speaker 1: So Klin under reported my weight. She thought I'd wagh
Speaker 1: a d eighty five pounds. I am two hundred pounds
Speaker 1: on a good day. And I was getting on the
Speaker 1: horse and I was like, can this horse support my weight?
Speaker 1: And the guide goes, oh, yeah, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: This horse can support up to two hundred pounds, and
Speaker 1: I was like up to two I am like, if
Speaker 1: I get on an elevator and the weight limit is
Speaker 1: a thousand pounds and I'm looking around and we're at
Speaker 1: a thousand pounds, I'm getting off the elevator, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, that's you don't want to be
Speaker 1: on the upper end of that spectrum now, I always
Speaker 1: want to be below. I think about that with planes too.
Speaker 1: Anytime Ashley's luggage is overweight and it's like sixty pounds,
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, what if every single person on this
Speaker 1: plane has an overweight bag? Are we gonna be able to,
Speaker 1: you know, get up? Or were getting dragged down here? People?
Speaker 1: Well the sidebar the airplane thing is ridiculous to me.
Speaker 1: You can't have over fifty pounds and your check luggage.
Speaker 1: Oh but if I just move it to my carry
Speaker 1: on then it's okay. Excuse me. The same amount of
Speaker 1: weight is going on the airplane. What is the purpose
Speaker 1: of me having to move way out of this bag
Speaker 1: and put it in this bag? If it's all going
Speaker 1: on the airplane, it's all the money scheme, It's all
Speaker 1: it is. It is it really is. Anyways, back to
Speaker 1: the story, So get on the horse. I'm terrified because
Speaker 1: the horse is big. But we're walking and like it's
Speaker 1: all like stumbling. But I'm like looking at its shoulders
Speaker 1: as it's clumping around, and I'm like, this horse is
Speaker 1: so mad because it's working so much harder than it
Speaker 1: wanted to right now, and I don't have the knowledge to,
Speaker 1: you know, wrangle it in any certain direction. Like you're
Speaker 1: saying you pull left, you want to go left, but
Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't happen. So I'm kind of freaking out.
Speaker 1: I'm like obviously a big advocate for like facing my
Speaker 1: fears and doing things that frightened me. I was telling
Speaker 1: Kalen this scenario was my nightmare because the reward isn't
Speaker 1: worth the risk. If you go skydiving, the reward is amazing.
Speaker 1: You have an incredible adrenaline rush, you have so much fun,
Speaker 1: and yeah, there's a lot of risk involved, but riding
Speaker 1: a horse, in my opinion, is not fun. So I'm
Speaker 1: taking on a lot of risk to do something that
Speaker 1: isn't fun. I don't understand, Like the math doesn't math
Speaker 1: for me. Wait a minute, wait a minute, I mean,
Speaker 1: how fast are you going on this horse. We didn't
Speaker 1: even get up to a gallop. It was a walk.
Speaker 1: My point being, what is your risk? I mean, you
Speaker 1: can get thrown off the horse. Do you honestly think
Speaker 1: at a walking pace that you are going you are
Speaker 1: in I mean you could maybe break a bone. I'm
Speaker 1: not denying this, like you fall wrong, but the horse
Speaker 1: I don't think is trampling you. So if you're telling
Speaker 1: me that the risk of death with skydiving you find
Speaker 1: more bearable than the risk of potentially a broken pinky
Speaker 1: finger by falling off a horse that's walking. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: if we were to like put on a graph, you know,
Speaker 1: like maybe like the y access would be risk and
Speaker 1: the X axis would be reward, skydiving is somewhere in
Speaker 1: the upper right hand corner high risk but high reward.
Speaker 1: Horseback riding at any speed high risk, low rewards. So
Speaker 1: it's too far there's the risk, I find You're you're
Speaker 1: over No, it's not that high of a risk. Well,
Speaker 1: not even galloping on a horse, well, just walking trotting.
Speaker 1: We were walking through like a river bed, so it
Speaker 1: was sandy and rocky, and every step he took I
Speaker 1: was like, what if this is the step where he
Speaker 1: snaps an ankle, falls to the ground, rolls over the side,
Speaker 1: rolls up on my bad leg. That horse weighs, you know,
Speaker 1: a thousand pounds. You could it could shatter a leg.
Speaker 1: It could literally if if it just like rolled an
Speaker 1: ankle turned onto its side. I'm not bailing in time
Speaker 1: to get off out of the way of this horse
Speaker 1: falling on top of me. And then all of a
Speaker 1: sudd I'm on the ground and this pund beast is
Speaker 1: on top of me, scrambling to get back up. Who
Speaker 1: knows where it's thrashing and throlling about. It could kick me,
Speaker 1: It could do anything. You don't know. The thing is,
Speaker 1: you don't know. Would you rather have the thousand pound
Speaker 1: horse fall awkwardly on your leg or splat on the
Speaker 1: ground from five thousand feet in the air well, obviously
Speaker 1: the horse, But the thing is a parachute. A parachute
Speaker 1: doesn't have a brain of its own to have a
Speaker 1: reaction to something like if there's a mouse that screwies
Speaker 1: across the path, maybe the horse, you know, rears and
Speaker 1: I fly off the back. There's the possibilities are endless,
Speaker 1: you know. I feel like para is a bad name.
Speaker 1: Bro I am anti horse. It's my one fear that's
Speaker 1: like just like there are other fears, yeah, okay, being
Speaker 1: poor or going to jail, sure, but like it's my
Speaker 1: one legitimate feer that I have in like every rational fear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go. It makes me. It makes me so
Speaker 1: happy that Kaylin planned an engagement around your fear after
Speaker 1: you dragged her through that eleven mile talk about high risk,
Speaker 1: dangerous hiking adventure to get to a beautiful beach in
Speaker 1: which you had a beautiful engagement and it was quite fantastic.
Speaker 1: But it makes me happy that she didn't do something
Speaker 1: that you want to do. She was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm going to do something that I want to do,
Speaker 1: and it just so happens that Dean is also quite
Speaker 1: terrified of this, so you know what, He's gonna have
Speaker 1: to conquer his fear. And then that is when I
Speaker 1: Kaylin Miller Keys will propose to Deed. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: the rationale behind it. She was like, you made me
Speaker 1: face my fear on the hike of heights, and so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you face your fear of horses and
Speaker 1: proposed to you. There. Um, she did run over her
Speaker 1: alternative plans like this was like her d option I
Speaker 1: think number one. She wanted to do everything like zero
Speaker 1: gravity or planes where they take you up really high
Speaker 1: and then drop really fast and you have like zero gravity.
Speaker 1: She wanted to do that, but it's like way too expensive.
Speaker 1: She wanted to get my brothers out here and go
Speaker 1: on a rock climbing trip and do it there. But
Speaker 1: those are like my things, like you're saying, those are
Speaker 1: like things that I would enjoy, which don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: I would love those things. But she wanted to do
Speaker 1: something similar to what I did with her, where it
Speaker 1: was my thing that I wanted to do and I
Speaker 1: knew she would have a good time and it would
Speaker 1: all work out that way. So she was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Dean on something that's gonna make him
Speaker 1: face his fears like he had to do to me.
Speaker 1: So we rode on these horses for not even very long,
Speaker 1: like twenty minutes out into the desert, and it was fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was fun. It was fun. Uh it
Speaker 1: did it did ease my my my like hesitancy with horses.
Speaker 1: It did, you know, kind of bring me around a
Speaker 1: little bit. And we wrote out and then we you know,
Speaker 1: stopped for a water break or whatever, and then she
Speaker 1: got down on it and asked me to marry her,
Speaker 1: which is really nice. It was a nice experience. It
Speaker 1: was something that we had planned to do ever since
Speaker 1: we agreed that we wanted to get engaged, that you know,
Speaker 1: I would propose to her and she would then propose
Speaker 1: to me, because you know, I do believe that when
Speaker 1: a guy asks a girl to marry her, that is
Speaker 1: her basically agree of course, agree to marry him. So
Speaker 1: it's like yes, you're both serving your part or your
Speaker 1: role in the relationship by asking and then the other
Speaker 1: person saying yes. But I wanted it to kind of
Speaker 1: be like a uh. I wanted her to get the
Speaker 1: experience of like asking me the same question because it,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it does kind of go both ways
Speaker 1: where it's like, well like I don't know where I'm
Speaker 1: going with this, but like I want to marry you,
Speaker 1: and she said yes, and so now I want her
Speaker 1: to ask to marry me, and so I can say
Speaker 1: it's kind of like interchanging vows when getting married, because
Speaker 1: it's not like one person at the altar says, will
Speaker 1: you be you know, take me as your lawful. Whatever
Speaker 1: the hell they say, I can't remember was years ago. Anyway.
Speaker 1: It's not like one person says it and the other
Speaker 1: person says yes and they're like okay, good to go.
Speaker 1: It's like you both say and you both say yes.
Speaker 1: So I understand the logic where you said, I want
Speaker 1: both of us to propose, and I want both of
Speaker 1: us to say yes. Yeah, we're equal partners, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to. I think both of us wanted to feel
Speaker 1: like equal partners in the engagement process. Did you make
Speaker 1: her sweat it out? Did you say yes immediately? Or
Speaker 1: you were like, oh, well, I do hate I should have.
Speaker 1: I did it. It was kind of abrupt, uh, similar
Speaker 1: to how I did it. There was no like pre
Speaker 1: speech where it was like I love you so much,
Speaker 1: I want to spend the rest of my life with
Speaker 1: your blah blah blah blah blah, will you marry me?
Speaker 1: It was just like a quick will you marry me?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my gosh, of course yes,
Speaker 1: I would love to. And so now I have two rings?
Speaker 1: Two rings? Which one did she give you the one
Speaker 1: on your pinky? No, that's that I've warned that for
Speaker 1: a while to rings ring finger. Which one did she
Speaker 1: always wear this one obviously worn of that since like
Speaker 1: six months into our relationship, and then she gave me
Speaker 1: this one, which is nice. Yeah, it's nice. So I
Speaker 1: got some more jewelry. There's a nice inscription on the
Speaker 1: inside that says vel Crow Forever on it because early
Speaker 1: on in the relationship I did nixt podcast and I
Speaker 1: called her Velcrow and it's kind of been like our
Speaker 1: little joke. So there's an inscription on the inside. And
Speaker 1: now I've got a nice ring. But my question now
Speaker 1: is like when we get married, do you wear both?
Speaker 1: Is she gonna put a third ring on my finger?
Speaker 1: Do I take these rings off and then have asked
Speaker 1: her to put them back on my finger when we
Speaker 1: get married? Well, usually, like for me, I never wore
Speaker 1: any type of engagement ring. This is my wedding band,
Speaker 1: So during a when I was engaged, I got nothing
Speaker 1: on my hands, and then obviously when I got married,
Speaker 1: that's when the wedding band went on. So I'm imagining
Speaker 1: that's your engagement and wedding band that she gave you.
Speaker 1: So you'll still wear two rings if you choose, unless
Speaker 1: you move on from the first one. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: thinking I would get myself a wedding band like you have,
Speaker 1: but I would put it on my other hand, on
Speaker 1: my right hand. I think you're just confusing everybody. Now,
Speaker 1: I just want to I want an excuse to wear rings.
Speaker 1: I like rings. I'm a ring guy. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I think they're cool. It's like a minimalistic piece of
Speaker 1: jewelry that doesn't get in the way of anything. It's
Speaker 1: not uncomfortable. You never have to take it off. Do
Speaker 1: you wear when you rock climb? Oh? Yeah, which I
Speaker 1: know is a bad idea. Are you ever afraid of
Speaker 1: just your finger getting ripped off by a rock? You
Speaker 1: know you hear stories of that happening, But you there's
Speaker 1: there's a story for everything these days. Like my brother,
Speaker 1: for instance, is married and rock climbs quite a bit.
Speaker 1: He always takes his off because he's worried about it. I. Um,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just an idiot, and I don't think
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen to me until it does, and then
Speaker 1: I'm boom, all of a sudden without finger. That's your story, now,
Speaker 1: that's that would be my story. Yeah, all right, well
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it. Um, I thank you Jared for
Speaker 1: letting me talk about my engagement, my second engagement. Um,
Speaker 1: whatever it helps, ratings, whatever else, ratings. It was interesting
Speaker 1: too experience it again, like you know, we already got engaged,
Speaker 1: were already proposed or proposed and engaged, you get married.
Speaker 1: It was it was a cool exp is gonna do
Speaker 1: it again? So yeah, I think Ashley should propose to me. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's happening. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: heard that, doesn't sound like that's going to happen. It
Speaker 1: was cool. I would recommend it if anyone's thinking about
Speaker 1: joint proposals or dual proposals and they're in a relationship. Um,
Speaker 1: it was a good experience for both of us. I think, uh,
Speaker 1: maybe we can get Kalen one of these days to
Speaker 1: talk about it, maybe from her side. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: so you're saying there's no chance, like you so we
Speaker 1: would never actually doesn't want to renew ever renew our vows,
Speaker 1: which something totally down with, but you never proposed just
Speaker 1: for some giggles now to be like, hey, let's renew
Speaker 1: our love in some different way. That's a no, guys,
Speaker 1: Maybe she'll come around one of these one of these days. Um. Alright, well, listeners,
Speaker 1: if you're out there and you're still listening to this podcast,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us on Sunday's special
Speaker 1: bonus episode of Help I Second Dating Jared as always,
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us, glad if I figured out
Speaker 1: maybe maybe we'll get a cup of coffee. Man, you
Speaker 1: look tired over there, dude, I definitely it's all I've
Speaker 1: been thinking about, Like, I need more coffee in my life.
Speaker 1: If right now I've only had one cop I'm usually
Speaker 1: three deep now. I like how also as actually just
Speaker 1: sitting on the floor in the room next to you,
Speaker 1: it's kind of I'm jealous. I wish Kylin was on
Speaker 1: the floor next to me. It's very nice. It's like playtime.
Speaker 1: Be sure to tune in to Thursday's episode because we
Speaker 1: have a great co host with us. Jenna Cooper will
Speaker 1: be joining us and you're not gonna want to miss that.
Speaker 1: She's a fantastic person, Um, and she talks a lot
Speaker 1: about stuff that was in the headlines a few years ago.
Speaker 1: It's a very open standard about it, so uh and
Speaker 1: interesting podcast. Definitely check it out Thursday. Yeah, check that out.
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