WEBVTT - Keeping up with Kelly 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:10.799 It's with Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Hello nine O 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.240 two one, OMG years um, it's another episode of nine 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:15.920 O two and oh, but today it's a little bit 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:20.560 different because I am here just with my friend Amy Sugarman, 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:25.560 and we are sons Tory. She's out today. We miss 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:28.640 her very much, but show must go on. So here 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:30.640 we are. I don't know what we do. Want to 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:35.040 recap the next episode? Oh yeah, because I watched it already. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:39.000 There's me too. There's important to stuff. We're ready for 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:41.479 the next episode, but we're gonna wait. So we're doing 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:43.720 something special today that you know, maybe a little, but 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.760 you don't totally know. You guys are surprising me. Is 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:52.279 there a cake involved? No, and you're gonna like I 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:53.959 think you'll like it, but I don't know if you're 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:55.520 gonna love it as much as we would love a cake. 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:59.120 It's gonna be hard to top a cake for me. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.120 What we wanted to do is do even though we're 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:05.080 in season four, right, so we're only going to do 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.880 it really through season four, A deep dive into Kelly 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.160 where you sort of step out of yourself and you're 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:14.600 gonna really look like bird's eye view onto Kelly because 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:19.800 I've got a bunch of questions, Ah, the first one 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:23.200 being do you like Kelly? So for everybody listening, we're 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:27.520 gonna really dive deep, and we've got fans and listeners 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:31.920 coming on with their questions, and we got some fans 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.920 that consider themselves Kelly experts. Where I have questions for 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:38.880 all of you. Okay, okay, okay, this is gonna be fun. Yeah, 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:40.920 I think it's cool. Like I actually wish that I 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:42.560 was a therapist because I think that would have added 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:44.600 to it, or if we found a therapist. But my 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.080 first question, is this going to be like therapy? I 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.080 think so? But you have to be both because you're 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.440 Jenny and Kelly, so you have to really look down 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:54.840 in through Kelly, guys and Jenny. So my first question 0:01:54.880 --> 0:02:00.080 for Jenny. Okay, that's me up until season four, so 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.080 we're only going you can't like, try to think past it. 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:09.639 Do you like Hellie? Do you like her right now? Yes? 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:15.240 I like her. I think she's a good friend minus 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.520 the little thing you know that the Dylan and friend 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:21.480 a thing. Yeah, other than that, Other than yeah, good friend, 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.880 I think she's a good friend. I think she's learning 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.680 so much about herself. I mean that that age that 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:32.880 she is is so hard to navigate. Anyway, I think 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:36.240 she's doing the best she can given her circumstances where 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.560 she came from her mom and you know, her dad 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.639 leaving her. There's a lot of HAMA in this girl's life. 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.800 There's a lot of baggage, and so I feel like 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.760 she's doing that so much. We gloss over the fact 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.200 that she really doesn't have a father figure and her 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:57.840 mother was like a major drug guy, right. Her mother 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.800 was obsessed with herself. She was, you know, and you know, 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.839 a model. She was all about her. She was all 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:07.960 into the drugs and the parties and all of that. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:11.640 But she just had this little girl kind of attached 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:13.840 to her. I think for the whole ride. I think 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:18.480 Kelly probably saw way more than she should have as 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:23.000 a young girl and grew up way too fast. Hmm. 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.919 And I sort of was thinking all about this last night. 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:30.799 It's like, even though the quote blended family went well, 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:35.920 right like that David and Kelly became siblings and Aaron 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:40.119 comes along, we don't even take into account how complicated 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.480 that is. Like they gloss over it a little bit. 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:47.240 I mean it it reared its head at times. But 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:51.640 like that's a major life change for a teenager two 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:55.080 that I actually think Kelly handled well. I feel like 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.480 she was well versed in challenges at that point, like 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.680 she had had so much stuff that had gone down 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:06.560 with her, and I feel like when she I don't 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.440 think she was ever on board for the whole Jackie 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:15.360 and mel situation, Like she just didn't get it because 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:19.520 nobody got it apparently right and rightfully, so they didn't 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.320 get it, but Mel and Jackie didn't even get it. 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.839 But I think she was more she was excited about 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:29.800 having a family, having some sort of sense of security 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:33.400 and that like, you know, something to tie her down 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:37.120 to the ground and keep her, you know, in her, 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.480 in her body, you know, like on this planet, because 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.440 she was just kind of all over the place. And 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.640 I feel like that family, that family sort of structure 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.560 was really good for her. And she liked having a brother. 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.280 She loved having like a you know, step brother, Dave, 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:59.520 David Dave, I called him Dave, that's my oops. Yeah, 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.800 she liked having stepbrother. And then of course, you know 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.920 who doesn't want to have a cute little baby. I mean, 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:12.240 it's weird because Kelly It's funny because Kelly is seventeen 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:16.359 eighteen and the baby came around that age. Right. I 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.880 have daughters the same age as Kelly who just got 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:24.920 a brand new baby into their lives. It is life 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:28.440 that'll imitate art. Who knows. I mean, it is so true. 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.479 It's like, and I know you're navigating that, and it's 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:38.000 not just unicorns and rainbows, No, it's there's there's a 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:41.080 lot of emotions from a lot of different people at 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:45.599 all times, and navigating all that is really tricky. When 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.839 did you have that moment where you're like, oh my god, 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:51.359 my kids are living in a similar obviously very different 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.880 situation to what you went through it with this character 0:05:55.120 --> 0:06:01.880 just now, right, it's really interesting, do you know what 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.560 I mean? Like obviously, yeah, I didn't even think about it. 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.880 I didn't put the things together until just now. So 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.400 many years ago, twenty plus years ago, when you've had 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:14.600 your started having kids like you never would have ever envisioned, 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:20.640 you know, so parenting and all these things that Kelly 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:26.840 actually experienced. Yeah, and now being able to have seen 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:31.119 it through you know, a young person's eyes by playing Kelly, 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:34.760 and now I'm still continuing to see it through my 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.960 young daughter's eyes and feel all the feelings that they're 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.520 going through. But I'm also seeing it through Jackie's eyes 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:44.160 now and feeling all the things that Jackie is feeling, 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.200 So I got a lot of feelings. It's it's almost 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.760 ironic we're having this conversation today instead of in a 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:55.640 week after because in the next episode I won't. But 0:06:55.720 --> 0:07:01.640 we see so much of actually what a good and 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:06.000 very emotionally invested mother Jackie is and what an amazing 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.760 sibling Hellie is, So we really it's almost like a 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:14.200 good whatever the word is fortuitous. I don't know the 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:16.800 how you say the future, but it's like you you 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:18.880 see some of what we're talking about really come to 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:25.160 fruition in the next episode. It's weird cool. It's weird, 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.720 for sure, but it's cool because I mean, life is 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.480 like that. You you've got to have some way of 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.040 dealing with stuff, like you learn along the way, and 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.400 if you don't take those tools and those little lessons 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.920 that you've learned, however you've learned them, I learned them 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.840 on TV, but they're still applicable to real life because 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:47.680 these characters were so based in real real people. So 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.600 if you can ask all that stuff elved. Yeah, and 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:55.679 as the time evolved, you became more the same person. Yeah. 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:59.040 Maybe Kelly and me, I mean yeah, mean Jenny and Kelly. 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.640 As the year went on, as we're getting into season five, 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:07.280 six seventy eight, yeah, you start to really merge morph. Yeah. 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.360 I mean, I know we have people waiting, So I'll 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.240 ask one more question. Well, okay, two more questions really fast. 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.200 What would be three words you would use to describe Kelly? 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:24.040 Oh God, what you could have given me these questions beforehand? Sugarman? Um? Okay, 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.080 like three words? That's so hard. I feel like she 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:37.360 is very compassionate. M. She is an impath yes, Um, 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:42.800 for sure. She gets very invested in her friends and 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:49.959 cares so deeply about whatever they're going through. M. One 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:55.559 another word that I mean, she's begrudgingly trust trusting, like 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.760 her nature is to trust people, but she keeps getting hurt. 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:04.800 Creepy sears. For a minute, she trusted her dad, you know, 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.320 she trusted her mom so many times, and that ball 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.120 was dropped. She wants to be a very trusting person, 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:15.720 but she's been throwing some curveballs in that area. What's 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:19.320 another word? I like those words? I spent a lot 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.680 of I did get the questions ahead of time. So 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.160 two words for me that really describe because I always think, 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:28.120 why do I like Kelly right, especially since so many 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:32.040 people are like team Brenda and the whole thing. Kelly's complicated, 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.760 which I like, She's not the one note. She's not. 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.760 She's not just what you thought in the first episode. 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:43.160 It's pretty popular, you know, the cool girl. That's a 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.520 good word. She's complicated. And I also find her to 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:52.600 be evolving. She is really evolving and finding herself, which 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:54.720 we will play this one clip because as we go 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.320 to the college, how could you not? Which I find 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.199 that she's evolving so much, which is why I think 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:04.200 I choose me resonated so much because the Kelly we 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:08.000 first met almost get like chills. Oh my god, it's 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.079 like my whole body's that Kelly when we first met 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:15.400 her would have never ever said that. No, that Kelly 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:21.800 that we first met was so timid and scared and skeptical, 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.000 like she was all the things that aren't going to 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:29.320 serve her best moving forward. I feel like, yeah, and 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:35.880 she was definitely like pigeonholed into this the stereotype that 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:39.959 everybody had of her, and she bought into it and 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:46.200 she believed it too until she didn't. HM complicated, thus 0:10:46.240 --> 0:11:01.320 the evolving So Tom, you've met before. Tanya was on 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.480 another one of our episodes, and this is her sister Leah, 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:07.760 and I texted her last night because I wanted to 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:11.360 get fans, real fans, to find out what they think 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.040 of Kelly and to be able to say it to you. 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.360 So why don't we to start with that for Leah 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:19.080 and Tanya? What is it that resonates with you guys 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.560 about Kelly? What do you like about her? And don't 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:28.360 be afraid to tell Jenny what you dislike about her? Okay. Well, 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:31.600 one of the things that I loved so much about 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:36.000 Kelly's character, like ARC, was that no matter what she 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:41.120 went through, she handled it with grace, She handled it 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:45.840 with dignity. She showed her vulnerability, and she showed real growth. 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:50.120 And I know, like for TV, part of that was 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.240 just for the drama of the show and whatnot, but 0:11:53.480 --> 0:12:00.319 for young women watching, it was really you know, inspirational 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:04.679 for us to see her do that. So, yeah, that's 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:06.640 so cool. One of the things that I loved most 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:12.120 about her, um, you know, she felt a connection with Dylan, 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:16.040 and she messed up the entire friend group because of it. 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.200 But in the end, you know, she was able to 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:25.480 repair those friendships and the whole whole friend group bond 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.960 stayed together. So I you know, I think they put 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.160 her through a lot of different things, but in the end, 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.240 it was about her just being vulnerable and her growing 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:37.320 from each and every experience that she went through. And 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.800 I was just piggy piggyback off of that saying I 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.400 didn't even really like I was. I was team Brenda 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:47.680 when I first thought the film, to be honest, Brunetts right, 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:50.320 and I was always the new kid. My family and 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:52.720 I traveled every two to four years, we'd move around, 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.880 so I was very I understood where's what she was 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:59.439 coming from. Yeah, But as she has if I have 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:05.960 watched again and again, I'm now more team Kelly. Why 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:10.920 what because of the journeys that she Yes, Yes, that 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.680 character went through the most out of everyone on the show, 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:19.640 and I think the biggest, the drastic, the drasticum drastic 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:23.800 experiences and the biggest transformation of every out of anyone. Like, 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.800 nobody liked Kelly in the beginning. She was a rich, 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:30.880 stuck up spoiled entitled, but by the end, you see, Wow, 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:34.319 she's one of the best friends of everybody. She also 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.880 was there the longest. I felt like you you really 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:40.240 got to see her really grow through the whole show. Yeah, 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:43.080 and then let I mean, let's also talk about like 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.800 her fashion, like that was something to really look at, 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:49.679 like her mazed and clothes you wanted those clothes, um, 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:52.200 and I just yeah, I think we talked a lot 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.400 about this her my sister and I about how she 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.480 just really you really felt for her. In every episode 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:00.360 it just kept you kept feeling more and more strongly 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.079 for her. And as an adult, I feel that more 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.720 than I did back then. I think I'm so glad 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.240 about the fashion too, because I think it is there 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.920 is something like they use the word these days, what's 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:14.080 that word they use on social media inspirational and like 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.720 aspiration aspiration. I don't even know what the difference as 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:25.080 you guys, thank god we have ATOK. So it's funny 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.960 when you say the clothes, like we're talking about her 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:29.960 in such a deep way, but at the same time, 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:33.600 it's like, that's why we watched this show. People in 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.880 fancy cars and fancy clothes like and you wanted that, 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.680 so I did think that doesn't belittle the character. It 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.600 actually is such an important aspect of why this show. 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.120 Thirty years later, we're all like, like, it wasn't that 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.000 people go on Instagram to find people to come on. 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:52.240 Today everyone's like pick me. I mean, like the Beverly 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.960 Hills of it all, and the scenery of that, like 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:59.040 beautiful place and all the other beautiful people in cars, 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.880 and the makeup and the hair in the clothes. Everybody 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.840 want they wanted to see that because there was no 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:09.440 Internet back then. They hadn't if you lived in you know, Ohio, 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.200 you had no idea what it was like in Beverly Hills. 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.040 So getting to see that was so exciting for people. 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:18.720 And I didn't really even think about that until I 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.880 became an older person able to think along the deeper levels. 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:24.960 But I feel like now I really understood why it 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.720 was such a hit with people. I mean, gosh, I 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:32.000 grew up overseas in different countries and I didn't know 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.760 anything about Beverly Hills or La at all, so it 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.800 was so, oh, that's what I'm getting into. Obviously, I 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:39.760 moved here a few years ago, and it's not like 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:43.640 that exactly everywhere. I wanted to ask Leah how long 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:48.080 it took for you to overcome? And I'm using these 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:49.800 words obviously you know we're talking about TV show. I'm 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:53.960 not crazy, but what happened with Kelly and Dylan when 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.760 you were team Brenda? Like, how long before you, as 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:02.440 a fan forgave her and liked her again? I mean 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:06.520 I was rootings for the Brenda Dylan relationships so hard. 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.000 Oh my gosh. I just loved him and I wanted 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:13.440 them together so bad because I loved her. But I 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:18.040 think once you really figure see visually see like, well, 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:23.280 Kelly and Dylan just amazing, this amazing chemistry that he 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:27.400 didn't have with Brenda. I think Brenda was great as 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.680 friends with Dylan. They were great friends eventually. Yeah, But 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.600 so I think you just over time you see that, 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:37.800 you see that relationship and obviously, like spoiler alerts, Jenny 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.680 like Brandon is you know the real one? And again 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:46.160 what I'm sorry I thought, though, I think I'm glad 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:48.400 you've said that too, because I think there's so much 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:54.720 Jenny and Luke in Yes, Kelly and Dylan definitely, like 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.320 I know Jenny very well and I had the great 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:02.280 luck fortune of meeting Luke very a few times and 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:06.840 you do see that, You're like on the podcast so 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:10.320 much too, So now it's like, oh, that chemistry was real. 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.320 Like you guys, you maybe could have had a moment 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.919 in real life. You know, you kind of alluded to 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.639 that a little bit on the podcast. You had you 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.760 had an amazing friendship, and you've talked about that. So 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.960 it's like, as a Kelly fan from the beginning, I 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:30.000 never switched teams. I was always counting. It's like, oh, 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.480 that's so nice. They got along in real life and 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.080 they had a special bond and a special connection and 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.520 that came through. That came through on the show. For sure. 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.159 I'm so glad. I mean, being able to have that 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:44.960 relationship with him was what I was, you know, the 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:46.960 so lucky to be able to work with him and 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:52.800 be his friend. And I'm just really grateful for that 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:56.080 whole experience. I saw a TikTok last night, weirdly of 0:17:56.320 --> 0:18:01.840 Leo Leonardo DiCaprio, like I know him Leah talking about 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:06.120 Luke Perry really coming up in Hollywood and how Luke 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:10.480 Perry was like at that time, James Dean, he said, 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.760 I don't want to get it wrong, but I'm paraphrasing, 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:17.040 but just talking about how that was such a superstar 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.840 and not just like famous, but like the way he 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:25.600 you know, had that energy, that star energy, and how 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.919 everyone looked up to him and admired him, and it's 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.359 like quality that they talk about, right, he had that 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:34.439 equality and he was such a beautiful man. He was 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.760 so handsome, oh my gosh. And and behind his eyes 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:39.760 there what you like you said before, there was a 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:43.360 complication behind his eyes, there was some sort of intrigue 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.440 that you wanted to know, like what's going on? And there? 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.640 Why are you the way you are? I had such 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.360 an in my own head last night trying to figure out, 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:55.080 like who is the leader of this group? Right? Like 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.800 you know, in most like popular groups in high school, 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:00.720 not so much in college, but high school for sure, 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.239 there's always sort of the the leader, and it's like 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:07.280 is the leader Dylan? Is it Brandon? Is it Kelly? 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:14.560 I'm never clear it was Brandon, yeah, but each episode 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:18.560 it kind of changed, right, Yeah, the a storyline that 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:20.240 he was kind of the leader of the pack that 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.920 that episode, I think, right, and I think in five 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:26.439 more seasons, six more seasons, if we had this conversation again, 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:30.040 I think we would say, Kelly, maybe by the end 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:36.000 of the series. It definitely is exciting, can't wait to 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:40.240 watch it. Hang in there, hang in there? Did you 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:44.440 you guys watch it together? Was it ever like sisters? When? Yeah, 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:48.760 it was teamed Kelly and remember remember I used to 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:52.439 record it and send it to her overseas, so on 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:56.440 a VHS you would send yeah. Yeah, when the DVD 0:19:56.640 --> 0:20:02.000 set came out, we definitely have watched many of episodes together. Yeah, 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:06.280 that's so fun, I know. Yeah, a full disclosure. I 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:10.600 am very good friends with Tanya, and so we text 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.560 obviously lots of things about the show, about the podcast 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:15.040 and like what do you like, what do you not like? 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.280 What do we need to do to the good? So 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:19.879 interesting is I have a handful of friends that literally 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.720 could teach a college class on this show, which I'm 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:26.040 sure there is in one of these colleges like Good, 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:29.919 Bad and the Ugly, Right, I mean, yeah, our age 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:34.119 group we've watched that show. Like I'm saying we because 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:37.560 I really feel like I know our fan base so well. 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:42.960 The people that watched that show were so committed to it. 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:46.720 You had to commit to watching it because it was 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:48.960 on once a week and it was at a certain 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:50.480 time and you had to be there, and if you 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:54.600 weren't there, you missed it, right and when and young people, 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.120 when they commit to something like that that they're actually 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:00.280 interested in or that makes them feel something or gives 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:04.160 them a voice, they forever that they'll remember that those 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:07.600 characters gives them a voice. Somebody was talking about how 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:10.440 like there are things you learned back when we were 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.760 teenagers from nine o two one er. That was like 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:15.520 real life shit, do you know what I mean? Like 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:20.240 you don't do this, don't do that, don't do Crystal 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:24.720 myth I'm learning right now, I'm David. That's not good, right, 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:28.200 Oh boy, so much? But yeah, I mean you really 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:30.639 do have to give some credit. I wish Tory was 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:36.120 here to Aaron Spelling for being so extraordinarily brilliant to like, 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:39.600 and Darren Starr of course too like and actually he's 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:44.280 so prolific. Still it's really interesting ahead of their time really, 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:48.359 and also our showrunners from Day Want, Chuck Rosen and 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:52.920 his wife Karen, and then of course Steve and Jessica. 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.760 I mean, yeah, they lived and breathed these characters and 0:21:56.880 --> 0:21:59.040 they meant so much to them and Chuck. I mean, 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:04.040 he really really put everything he had into this show 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:09.199 and you can feel it. And luckily he had you know, 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:13.800 he had Aaron watching from his offices and and Darren 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:17.240 watching from his desk, you know, and everybody working together 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:22.680 to make something that was memorable for people. Totally. Yeah, 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:27.280 you always forget the boots on the ground. Oh yeah, 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:31.760 there's a whole behind the scenes past, right for sure. Yeah. Well, 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:33.719 there was something else that we were talking about in 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:37.320 regards to Kelly specifically, is that she was kind of 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:40.919 like the first first of like hair Clue List or 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:43.760 mean girls, like the first of that that both kind 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:47.639 of female characters. Yeah that, I mean, I don't know 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:51.120 if like Heathers was that before A round the same time, 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:53.440 I round the same time, Yeah, around the same time. 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:56.440 There seemed to be a flock of those types of characters. 0:22:56.680 --> 0:23:00.679 But it's interesting because we also were saying Kelly Cross 0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:03.479 in those first couple of episodes as like you were 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:07.159 saying the rich girl started bitch, she sort of you know, 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:10.160 stuck up, and then all of a sudden she wasn't 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:12.560 that anymore, you know, like her story came out and 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:15.479 then the fact that she'd been with Steve or whatever. 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:19.399 But then she like leveled out, and I think the Twins. 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:21.800 The Twins came in and it was supposed to be 0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:25.560 obviously a show about Brenda and Brandon, and then it 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:29.160 was this group of friends and each each friend kind 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:33.960 of led that particular storyline or whatever. Yeah, um, And 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:37.080 I like I loved seeing Kelly in her vulnerable sense. 0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:39.960 Oh yeah, that it was refreshing, like, oh, wow, you're 0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:43.639 not perfect. Yeah, you're not perfect. Yeah. I think it 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:46.640 was so much more fun to get to play um, 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:50.240 originally the bad girl, the bitch, you know, the spoiled whatever. 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:53.280 I knew that that was those were my marching orders. 0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:56.520 But I know that if you sit down with me 0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:59.160 for five minutes, you know that I that's there's more 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:03.879 to the story. And so I think that the producers 0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:06.760 and the writers and everybody involved were really leaned into 0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:11.680 that and said, oh, there's so much more we can Yeah, 0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:17.359 let's explore what's going on. And the representation of a 0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:21.560 young girl girlhaage, like super confused and super in over 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:23.879 her head and out of water. You know, all the 0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:27.879 things that young girls especially then were Now we're all 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:30.200 you know, we all know, way too much, too early, 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:33.920 but she was just figuring it out as she went. Well, 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:36.800 we all benefited from that. So I'm glad that they 0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:39.560 that because we got to see all different sides of Kelly. 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:42.960 I'm glad. I'm so glad we'll let them go. But 0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:45.480 I'm so glad they brought up the relationship with Steve 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.639