Speaker 1: It's with Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Hello nine O
Speaker 1: two one, OMG years um, it's another episode of nine
Speaker 1: O two and oh, but today it's a little bit
Speaker 1: different because I am here just with my friend Amy Sugarman,
Speaker 1: and we are sons Tory. She's out today. We miss
Speaker 1: her very much, but show must go on. So here
Speaker 1: we are. I don't know what we do. Want to
Speaker 1: recap the next episode? Oh yeah, because I watched it already.
Speaker 1: There's me too. There's important to stuff. We're ready for
Speaker 1: the next episode, but we're gonna wait. So we're doing
Speaker 1: something special today that you know, maybe a little, but
Speaker 1: you don't totally know. You guys are surprising me. Is
Speaker 1: there a cake involved? No, and you're gonna like I
Speaker 1: think you'll like it, but I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: gonna love it as much as we would love a cake.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard to top a cake for me.
Speaker 1: What we wanted to do is do even though we're
Speaker 1: in season four, right, so we're only going to do
Speaker 1: it really through season four, A deep dive into Kelly
Speaker 1: where you sort of step out of yourself and you're
Speaker 1: gonna really look like bird's eye view onto Kelly because
Speaker 1: I've got a bunch of questions, Ah, the first one
Speaker 1: being do you like Kelly? So for everybody listening, we're
Speaker 1: gonna really dive deep, and we've got fans and listeners
Speaker 1: coming on with their questions, and we got some fans
Speaker 1: that consider themselves Kelly experts. Where I have questions for
Speaker 1: all of you. Okay, okay, okay, this is gonna be fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's cool. Like I actually wish that I
Speaker 1: was a therapist because I think that would have added
Speaker 1: to it, or if we found a therapist. But my
Speaker 1: first question, is this going to be like therapy? I
Speaker 1: think so? But you have to be both because you're
Speaker 1: Jenny and Kelly, so you have to really look down
Speaker 1: in through Kelly, guys and Jenny. So my first question
Speaker 1: for Jenny. Okay, that's me up until season four, so
Speaker 1: we're only going you can't like, try to think past it.
Speaker 1: Do you like Hellie? Do you like her right now? Yes?
Speaker 1: I like her. I think she's a good friend minus
Speaker 1: the little thing you know that the Dylan and friend
Speaker 1: a thing. Yeah, other than that, Other than yeah, good friend,
Speaker 1: I think she's a good friend. I think she's learning
Speaker 1: so much about herself. I mean that that age that
Speaker 1: she is is so hard to navigate. Anyway, I think
Speaker 1: she's doing the best she can given her circumstances where
Speaker 1: she came from her mom and you know, her dad
Speaker 1: leaving her. There's a lot of HAMA in this girl's life.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of baggage, and so I feel like
Speaker 1: she's doing that so much. We gloss over the fact
Speaker 1: that she really doesn't have a father figure and her
Speaker 1: mother was like a major drug guy, right. Her mother
Speaker 1: was obsessed with herself. She was, you know, and you know,
Speaker 1: a model. She was all about her. She was all
Speaker 1: into the drugs and the parties and all of that.
Speaker 1: But she just had this little girl kind of attached
Speaker 1: to her. I think for the whole ride. I think
Speaker 1: Kelly probably saw way more than she should have as
Speaker 1: a young girl and grew up way too fast. Hmm.
Speaker 1: And I sort of was thinking all about this last night.
Speaker 1: It's like, even though the quote blended family went well,
Speaker 1: right like that David and Kelly became siblings and Aaron
Speaker 1: comes along, we don't even take into account how complicated
Speaker 1: that is. Like they gloss over it a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean it it reared its head at times. But
Speaker 1: like that's a major life change for a teenager two
Speaker 1: that I actually think Kelly handled well. I feel like
Speaker 1: she was well versed in challenges at that point, like
Speaker 1: she had had so much stuff that had gone down
Speaker 1: with her, and I feel like when she I don't
Speaker 1: think she was ever on board for the whole Jackie
Speaker 1: and mel situation, Like she just didn't get it because
Speaker 1: nobody got it apparently right and rightfully, so they didn't
Speaker 1: get it, but Mel and Jackie didn't even get it.
Speaker 1: But I think she was more she was excited about
Speaker 1: having a family, having some sort of sense of security
Speaker 1: and that like, you know, something to tie her down
Speaker 1: to the ground and keep her, you know, in her,
Speaker 1: in her body, you know, like on this planet, because
Speaker 1: she was just kind of all over the place. And
Speaker 1: I feel like that family, that family sort of structure
Speaker 1: was really good for her. And she liked having a brother.
Speaker 1: She loved having like a you know, step brother, Dave,
Speaker 1: David Dave, I called him Dave, that's my oops. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she liked having stepbrother. And then of course, you know
Speaker 1: who doesn't want to have a cute little baby. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's weird because Kelly It's funny because Kelly is seventeen
Speaker 1: eighteen and the baby came around that age. Right. I
Speaker 1: have daughters the same age as Kelly who just got
Speaker 1: a brand new baby into their lives. It is life
Speaker 1: that'll imitate art. Who knows. I mean, it is so true.
Speaker 1: It's like, and I know you're navigating that, and it's
Speaker 1: not just unicorns and rainbows, No, it's there's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of emotions from a lot of different people at
Speaker 1: all times, and navigating all that is really tricky. When
Speaker 1: did you have that moment where you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: my kids are living in a similar obviously very different
Speaker 1: situation to what you went through it with this character
Speaker 1: just now, right, it's really interesting, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like obviously, yeah, I didn't even think about it.
Speaker 1: I didn't put the things together until just now. So
Speaker 1: many years ago, twenty plus years ago, when you've had
Speaker 1: your started having kids like you never would have ever envisioned,
Speaker 1: you know, so parenting and all these things that Kelly
Speaker 1: actually experienced. Yeah, and now being able to have seen
Speaker 1: it through you know, a young person's eyes by playing Kelly,
Speaker 1: and now I'm still continuing to see it through my
Speaker 1: young daughter's eyes and feel all the feelings that they're
Speaker 1: going through. But I'm also seeing it through Jackie's eyes
Speaker 1: now and feeling all the things that Jackie is feeling,
Speaker 1: So I got a lot of feelings. It's it's almost
Speaker 1: ironic we're having this conversation today instead of in a
Speaker 1: week after because in the next episode I won't. But
Speaker 1: we see so much of actually what a good and
Speaker 1: very emotionally invested mother Jackie is and what an amazing
Speaker 1: sibling Hellie is, So we really it's almost like a
Speaker 1: good whatever the word is fortuitous. I don't know the
Speaker 1: how you say the future, but it's like you you
Speaker 1: see some of what we're talking about really come to
Speaker 1: fruition in the next episode. It's weird cool. It's weird,
Speaker 1: for sure, but it's cool because I mean, life is
Speaker 1: like that. You you've got to have some way of
Speaker 1: dealing with stuff, like you learn along the way, and
Speaker 1: if you don't take those tools and those little lessons
Speaker 1: that you've learned, however you've learned them, I learned them
Speaker 1: on TV, but they're still applicable to real life because
Speaker 1: these characters were so based in real real people. So
Speaker 1: if you can ask all that stuff elved. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: as the time evolved, you became more the same person. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe Kelly and me, I mean yeah, mean Jenny and Kelly.
Speaker 1: As the year went on, as we're getting into season five,
Speaker 1: six seventy eight, yeah, you start to really merge morph. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know we have people waiting, So I'll
Speaker 1: ask one more question. Well, okay, two more questions really fast.
Speaker 1: What would be three words you would use to describe Kelly?
Speaker 1: Oh God, what you could have given me these questions beforehand? Sugarman? Um? Okay,
Speaker 1: like three words? That's so hard. I feel like she
Speaker 1: is very compassionate. M. She is an impath yes, Um,
Speaker 1: for sure. She gets very invested in her friends and
Speaker 1: cares so deeply about whatever they're going through. M. One
Speaker 1: another word that I mean, she's begrudgingly trust trusting, like
Speaker 1: her nature is to trust people, but she keeps getting hurt.
Speaker 1: Creepy sears. For a minute, she trusted her dad, you know,
Speaker 1: she trusted her mom so many times, and that ball
Speaker 1: was dropped. She wants to be a very trusting person,
Speaker 1: but she's been throwing some curveballs in that area. What's
Speaker 1: another word? I like those words? I spent a lot
Speaker 1: of I did get the questions ahead of time. So
Speaker 1: two words for me that really describe because I always think,
Speaker 1: why do I like Kelly right, especially since so many
Speaker 1: people are like team Brenda and the whole thing. Kelly's complicated,
Speaker 1: which I like, She's not the one note. She's not.
Speaker 1: She's not just what you thought in the first episode.
Speaker 1: It's pretty popular, you know, the cool girl. That's a
Speaker 1: good word. She's complicated. And I also find her to
Speaker 1: be evolving. She is really evolving and finding herself, which
Speaker 1: we will play this one clip because as we go
Speaker 1: to the college, how could you not? Which I find
Speaker 1: that she's evolving so much, which is why I think
Speaker 1: I choose me resonated so much because the Kelly we
Speaker 1: first met almost get like chills. Oh my god, it's
Speaker 1: like my whole body's that Kelly when we first met
Speaker 1: her would have never ever said that. No, that Kelly
Speaker 1: that we first met was so timid and scared and skeptical,
Speaker 1: like she was all the things that aren't going to
Speaker 1: serve her best moving forward. I feel like, yeah, and
Speaker 1: she was definitely like pigeonholed into this the stereotype that
Speaker 1: everybody had of her, and she bought into it and
Speaker 1: she believed it too until she didn't. HM complicated, thus
Speaker 1: the evolving So Tom, you've met before. Tanya was on
Speaker 1: another one of our episodes, and this is her sister Leah,
Speaker 1: and I texted her last night because I wanted to
Speaker 1: get fans, real fans, to find out what they think
Speaker 1: of Kelly and to be able to say it to you.
Speaker 1: So why don't we to start with that for Leah
Speaker 1: and Tanya? What is it that resonates with you guys
Speaker 1: about Kelly? What do you like about her? And don't
Speaker 1: be afraid to tell Jenny what you dislike about her? Okay. Well,
Speaker 1: one of the things that I loved so much about
Speaker 1: Kelly's character, like ARC, was that no matter what she
Speaker 1: went through, she handled it with grace, She handled it
Speaker 1: with dignity. She showed her vulnerability, and she showed real growth.
Speaker 1: And I know, like for TV, part of that was
Speaker 1: just for the drama of the show and whatnot, but
Speaker 1: for young women watching, it was really you know, inspirational
Speaker 1: for us to see her do that. So, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: so cool. One of the things that I loved most
Speaker 1: about her, um, you know, she felt a connection with Dylan,
Speaker 1: and she messed up the entire friend group because of it.
Speaker 1: But in the end, you know, she was able to
Speaker 1: repair those friendships and the whole whole friend group bond
Speaker 1: stayed together. So I you know, I think they put
Speaker 1: her through a lot of different things, but in the end,
Speaker 1: it was about her just being vulnerable and her growing
Speaker 1: from each and every experience that she went through. And
Speaker 1: I was just piggy piggyback off of that saying I
Speaker 1: didn't even really like I was. I was team Brenda
Speaker 1: when I first thought the film, to be honest, Brunetts right,
Speaker 1: and I was always the new kid. My family and
Speaker 1: I traveled every two to four years, we'd move around,
Speaker 1: so I was very I understood where's what she was
Speaker 1: coming from. Yeah, But as she has if I have
Speaker 1: watched again and again, I'm now more team Kelly. Why
Speaker 1: what because of the journeys that she Yes, Yes, that
Speaker 1: character went through the most out of everyone on the show,
Speaker 1: and I think the biggest, the drastic, the drasticum drastic
Speaker 1: experiences and the biggest transformation of every out of anyone. Like,
Speaker 1: nobody liked Kelly in the beginning. She was a rich,
Speaker 1: stuck up spoiled entitled, but by the end, you see, Wow,
Speaker 1: she's one of the best friends of everybody. She also
Speaker 1: was there the longest. I felt like you you really
Speaker 1: got to see her really grow through the whole show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then let I mean, let's also talk about like
Speaker 1: her fashion, like that was something to really look at,
Speaker 1: like her mazed and clothes you wanted those clothes, um,
Speaker 1: and I just yeah, I think we talked a lot
Speaker 1: about this her my sister and I about how she
Speaker 1: just really you really felt for her. In every episode
Speaker 1: it just kept you kept feeling more and more strongly
Speaker 1: for her. And as an adult, I feel that more
Speaker 1: than I did back then. I think I'm so glad
Speaker 1: about the fashion too, because I think it is there
Speaker 1: is something like they use the word these days, what's
Speaker 1: that word they use on social media inspirational and like
Speaker 1: aspiration aspiration. I don't even know what the difference as
Speaker 1: you guys, thank god we have ATOK. So it's funny
Speaker 1: when you say the clothes, like we're talking about her
Speaker 1: in such a deep way, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's like, that's why we watched this show. People in
Speaker 1: fancy cars and fancy clothes like and you wanted that,
Speaker 1: so I did think that doesn't belittle the character. It
Speaker 1: actually is such an important aspect of why this show.
Speaker 1: Thirty years later, we're all like, like, it wasn't that
Speaker 1: people go on Instagram to find people to come on.
Speaker 1: Today everyone's like pick me. I mean, like the Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills of it all, and the scenery of that, like
Speaker 1: beautiful place and all the other beautiful people in cars,
Speaker 1: and the makeup and the hair in the clothes. Everybody
Speaker 1: want they wanted to see that because there was no
Speaker 1: Internet back then. They hadn't if you lived in you know, Ohio,
Speaker 1: you had no idea what it was like in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: So getting to see that was so exciting for people.
Speaker 1: And I didn't really even think about that until I
Speaker 1: became an older person able to think along the deeper levels.
Speaker 1: But I feel like now I really understood why it
Speaker 1: was such a hit with people. I mean, gosh, I
Speaker 1: grew up overseas in different countries and I didn't know
Speaker 1: anything about Beverly Hills or La at all, so it
Speaker 1: was so, oh, that's what I'm getting into. Obviously, I
Speaker 1: moved here a few years ago, and it's not like
Speaker 1: that exactly everywhere. I wanted to ask Leah how long
Speaker 1: it took for you to overcome? And I'm using these
Speaker 1: words obviously you know we're talking about TV show. I'm
Speaker 1: not crazy, but what happened with Kelly and Dylan when
Speaker 1: you were team Brenda? Like, how long before you, as
Speaker 1: a fan forgave her and liked her again? I mean
Speaker 1: I was rootings for the Brenda Dylan relationships so hard.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I just loved him and I wanted
Speaker 1: them together so bad because I loved her. But I
Speaker 1: think once you really figure see visually see like, well,
Speaker 1: Kelly and Dylan just amazing, this amazing chemistry that he
Speaker 1: didn't have with Brenda. I think Brenda was great as
Speaker 1: friends with Dylan. They were great friends eventually. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: so I think you just over time you see that,
Speaker 1: you see that relationship and obviously, like spoiler alerts, Jenny
Speaker 1: like Brandon is you know the real one? And again
Speaker 1: what I'm sorry I thought, though, I think I'm glad
Speaker 1: you've said that too, because I think there's so much
Speaker 1: Jenny and Luke in Yes, Kelly and Dylan definitely, like
Speaker 1: I know Jenny very well and I had the great
Speaker 1: luck fortune of meeting Luke very a few times and
Speaker 1: you do see that, You're like on the podcast so
Speaker 1: much too, So now it's like, oh, that chemistry was real.
Speaker 1: Like you guys, you maybe could have had a moment
Speaker 1: in real life. You know, you kind of alluded to
Speaker 1: that a little bit on the podcast. You had you
Speaker 1: had an amazing friendship, and you've talked about that. So
Speaker 1: it's like, as a Kelly fan from the beginning, I
Speaker 1: never switched teams. I was always counting. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's so nice. They got along in real life and
Speaker 1: they had a special bond and a special connection and
Speaker 1: that came through. That came through on the show. For sure.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad. I mean, being able to have that
Speaker 1: relationship with him was what I was, you know, the
Speaker 1: so lucky to be able to work with him and
Speaker 1: be his friend. And I'm just really grateful for that
Speaker 1: whole experience. I saw a TikTok last night, weirdly of
Speaker 1: Leo Leonardo DiCaprio, like I know him Leah talking about
Speaker 1: Luke Perry really coming up in Hollywood and how Luke
Speaker 1: Perry was like at that time, James Dean, he said,
Speaker 1: I don't want to get it wrong, but I'm paraphrasing,
Speaker 1: but just talking about how that was such a superstar
Speaker 1: and not just like famous, but like the way he
Speaker 1: you know, had that energy, that star energy, and how
Speaker 1: everyone looked up to him and admired him, and it's
Speaker 1: like quality that they talk about, right, he had that
Speaker 1: equality and he was such a beautiful man. He was
Speaker 1: so handsome, oh my gosh. And and behind his eyes
Speaker 1: there what you like you said before, there was a
Speaker 1: complication behind his eyes, there was some sort of intrigue
Speaker 1: that you wanted to know, like what's going on? And there?
Speaker 1: Why are you the way you are? I had such
Speaker 1: an in my own head last night trying to figure out,
Speaker 1: like who is the leader of this group? Right? Like
Speaker 1: you know, in most like popular groups in high school,
Speaker 1: not so much in college, but high school for sure,
Speaker 1: there's always sort of the the leader, and it's like
Speaker 1: is the leader Dylan? Is it Brandon? Is it Kelly?
Speaker 1: I'm never clear it was Brandon, yeah, but each episode
Speaker 1: it kind of changed, right, Yeah, the a storyline that
Speaker 1: he was kind of the leader of the pack that
Speaker 1: that episode, I think, right, and I think in five
Speaker 1: more seasons, six more seasons, if we had this conversation again,
Speaker 1: I think we would say, Kelly, maybe by the end
Speaker 1: of the series. It definitely is exciting, can't wait to
Speaker 1: watch it. Hang in there, hang in there? Did you
Speaker 1: you guys watch it together? Was it ever like sisters? When? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was teamed Kelly and remember remember I used to
Speaker 1: record it and send it to her overseas, so on
Speaker 1: a VHS you would send yeah. Yeah, when the DVD
Speaker 1: set came out, we definitely have watched many of episodes together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so fun, I know. Yeah, a full disclosure. I
Speaker 1: am very good friends with Tanya, and so we text
Speaker 1: obviously lots of things about the show, about the podcast
Speaker 1: and like what do you like, what do you not like?
Speaker 1: What do we need to do to the good? So
Speaker 1: interesting is I have a handful of friends that literally
Speaker 1: could teach a college class on this show, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure there is in one of these colleges like Good,
Speaker 1: Bad and the Ugly, Right, I mean, yeah, our age
Speaker 1: group we've watched that show. Like I'm saying we because
Speaker 1: I really feel like I know our fan base so well.
Speaker 1: The people that watched that show were so committed to it.
Speaker 1: You had to commit to watching it because it was
Speaker 1: on once a week and it was at a certain
Speaker 1: time and you had to be there, and if you
Speaker 1: weren't there, you missed it, right and when and young people,
Speaker 1: when they commit to something like that that they're actually
Speaker 1: interested in or that makes them feel something or gives
Speaker 1: them a voice, they forever that they'll remember that those
Speaker 1: characters gives them a voice. Somebody was talking about how
Speaker 1: like there are things you learned back when we were
Speaker 1: teenagers from nine o two one er. That was like
Speaker 1: real life shit, do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: you don't do this, don't do that, don't do Crystal
Speaker 1: myth I'm learning right now, I'm David. That's not good, right,
Speaker 1: Oh boy, so much? But yeah, I mean you really
Speaker 1: do have to give some credit. I wish Tory was
Speaker 1: here to Aaron Spelling for being so extraordinarily brilliant to like,
Speaker 1: and Darren Starr of course too like and actually he's
Speaker 1: so prolific. Still it's really interesting ahead of their time really,
Speaker 1: and also our showrunners from Day Want, Chuck Rosen and
Speaker 1: his wife Karen, and then of course Steve and Jessica.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they lived and breathed these characters and
Speaker 1: they meant so much to them and Chuck. I mean,
Speaker 1: he really really put everything he had into this show
Speaker 1: and you can feel it. And luckily he had you know,
Speaker 1: he had Aaron watching from his offices and and Darren
Speaker 1: watching from his desk, you know, and everybody working together
Speaker 1: to make something that was memorable for people. Totally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you always forget the boots on the ground. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a whole behind the scenes past, right for sure. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: there was something else that we were talking about in
Speaker 1: regards to Kelly specifically, is that she was kind of
Speaker 1: like the first first of like hair Clue List or
Speaker 1: mean girls, like the first of that that both kind
Speaker 1: of female characters. Yeah that, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: if like Heathers was that before A round the same time,
Speaker 1: I round the same time, Yeah, around the same time.
Speaker 1: There seemed to be a flock of those types of characters.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting because we also were saying Kelly Cross
Speaker 1: in those first couple of episodes as like you were
Speaker 1: saying the rich girl started bitch, she sort of you know,
Speaker 1: stuck up, and then all of a sudden she wasn't
Speaker 1: that anymore, you know, like her story came out and
Speaker 1: then the fact that she'd been with Steve or whatever.
Speaker 1: But then she like leveled out, and I think the Twins.
Speaker 1: The Twins came in and it was supposed to be
Speaker 1: obviously a show about Brenda and Brandon, and then it
Speaker 1: was this group of friends and each each friend kind
Speaker 1: of led that particular storyline or whatever. Yeah, um, And
Speaker 1: I like I loved seeing Kelly in her vulnerable sense.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that it was refreshing, like, oh, wow, you're
Speaker 1: not perfect. Yeah, you're not perfect. Yeah. I think it
Speaker 1: was so much more fun to get to play um,
Speaker 1: originally the bad girl, the bitch, you know, the spoiled whatever.
Speaker 1: I knew that that was those were my marching orders.
Speaker 1: But I know that if you sit down with me
Speaker 1: for five minutes, you know that I that's there's more
Speaker 1: to the story. And so I think that the producers
Speaker 1: and the writers and everybody involved were really leaned into
Speaker 1: that and said, oh, there's so much more we can Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's explore what's going on. And the representation of a
Speaker 1: young girl girlhaage, like super confused and super in over
Speaker 1: her head and out of water. You know, all the
Speaker 1: things that young girls especially then were Now we're all
Speaker 1: you know, we all know, way too much, too early,
Speaker 1: but she was just figuring it out as she went. Well,
Speaker 1: we all benefited from that. So I'm glad that they
Speaker 1: that because we got to see all different sides of Kelly.
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm so glad we'll let them go. But
Speaker 1: I'm so glad they brought up the relationship with Steve
Speaker 1: because I think that it's one of the things that
Speaker 1: really stands out about Kelly. And we're saying loyal and
Speaker 1: she had that passed with him, which we never really
Speaker 1: were privy toight, we just know that it happened, and
Speaker 1: I think we see the importance of that, the significant
Speaker 1: of that, the loyalty you have even come out with
Speaker 1: you know what happened at the Keg House with the
Speaker 1: you know eny girl that said it's like you realize
Speaker 1: that no matter what, Kelly is going to be loyal
Speaker 1: to these people is even if it's an ex boyfriend,
Speaker 1: she is going to be fierce about it. Right. They
Speaker 1: were great friends. Stephen Kelly were really good friends. You
Speaker 1: have always It's so as you say that because like
Speaker 1: maybe I learned that from Kelly. Maybe I because I
Speaker 1: am an extremely loyal person, like loyal to a fault,
Speaker 1: and I'm wondering just now, like where did I learn that?
Speaker 1: That must be one of the places that I learned
Speaker 1: that from because that I was modeling it for myself.
Speaker 1: For sure. I can even in my mind see them
Speaker 1: dancing at the prom and they always have that connection.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it was Jenny and Iron
Speaker 1: or just Kelly and See, but like the chemistry and connection,
Speaker 1: and it is a different chemistry then with Luke. It's
Speaker 1: much more of this friend you might like brother's sister,
Speaker 1: but like a friend. Yeah, that's definitely Jenny and I.
Speaker 1: We that's our relationship. And they they really just kind
Speaker 1: of wrote what they saw. I mean, even whatever they wrote,
Speaker 1: we played it in a way that was through our eyes.
Speaker 1: And you know, so it has so much of us
Speaker 1: in it, So that's right. They can't write those facial expressions, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I find it so interesting that even now, as I
Speaker 1: mean an adult woman in your very early fifties, you're
Speaker 1: learning so much of what you experienced on that show
Speaker 1: you you drew from in your real life. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's so interesting to me as an as an actor
Speaker 1: that that's what you do, because how could you not
Speaker 1: you spent so many waking hours working on that show
Speaker 1: and becoming you know, such good friends and having such
Speaker 1: good connections and relationships with these people that wow, you're
Speaker 1: looking back going from you know, you're connecting. I'm learning
Speaker 1: so much by watching the show back. It's crazy. I
Speaker 1: never thought doing nine or two and nine or two one,
Speaker 1: OMG would be like therapy for me. It's been so
Speaker 1: cathartic and like, I've just had a different perspective on
Speaker 1: so many things and then was able to, like you say,
Speaker 1: parlay that into my real life and say, wow, that's interesting. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. Well, we really appreciate you. Yes, thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank youth. Talk to you guys. So fun all right,
Speaker 1: bye bye. So then Ricky's next Jenny, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: to have a sister, wouldn't it be fun? Age They
Speaker 1: love the show like, oh we both do, Ricky, Like, um,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it,
Speaker 1: of course. Thank you. Where are you calling from because
Speaker 1: do I hear an accent? Yes? Are you alive? Are
Speaker 1: you live from there? Or where are you calling? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm live. Yeah, I'm in Australia. I know. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I didn't know you were actually in Australia. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can hear your you can hear the Australian is
Speaker 1: what time is it? What time is it? There? Is
Speaker 1: it a normal time? It's just going past eight o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning. Okay, that's too bad. God, that's fine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: actually worked out perfectly. So yeah, oh my gosh, we'll
Speaker 1: have at it. Asked me, what do you want to go?
Speaker 1: You can say the bad of kel me good anything.
Speaker 1: I've got plenty. But I'm sure you watch timels. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess it's more sort of you know, back of
Speaker 1: house stuff. If that's okay, It's not about Kelly herself. UM,
Speaker 1: I'm what I'm really actually curious about, surprisingly is, um,
Speaker 1: your relationship with Kathleen Robertson. Um, just because I really
Speaker 1: loved the college years and especially the beach apartment times
Speaker 1: with the three girls. Um. I just loved their dynamic
Speaker 1: and everything. Um. And we just heard a few times
Speaker 1: how close Kathleen and Tory were. I'm just wondering if
Speaker 1: you and Kathleen were more co workers than friends, or
Speaker 1: you know, if there was a good friendship there, and
Speaker 1: if you had any fun or interesting stories from your
Speaker 1: time working with her, you having't babies at that? What
Speaker 1: you would actually come in on the show like four
Speaker 1: or five? Yeah, you're actually only a few episodes away
Speaker 1: from meeting her. Really, Yeah, I thought, I guess I'm
Speaker 1: so exciting season five. But is it at the end
Speaker 1: of four. She makes a few appearances in four, and
Speaker 1: then she really comes in in five. Well, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Nobody's really ever asked me this question or asked me
Speaker 1: about questions you maybe had heard four two. So, um, no,
Speaker 1: you you kind of nailed it. I was more of
Speaker 1: a cast mate with Kathleen than a good friend. Um.
Speaker 1: I think she and Tory gravitated towards one another, they
Speaker 1: were closer. Um, but I always really loved working with
Speaker 1: her and loved you know, we was always a good time.
Speaker 1: I know that. And um, she was just a great,
Speaker 1: solid person and had a great work ethic which I
Speaker 1: really loved working with. And um that. Yeah, it didn't
Speaker 1: go much further than that, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: In my recollection, I hope I'm not wrong. I hope
Speaker 1: we didn't hang out all the time, and I'm forgetting it.
Speaker 1: But what year did you get married to Peter? Me?
Speaker 1: I was married before Peter. I know, but what year
Speaker 1: did you get married to Peter too? I don't not during,
Speaker 1: not during nine o two one or during Okay, thank
Speaker 1: god Reggie's here, so it's torture. That's so sad. But sorry,
Speaker 1: I've forgotten these things. Two thousand and one, Okay, what
Speaker 1: was the date Ricky was in January? Or yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I only remember because I was I was fourteen or
Speaker 1: people at the time. I remember it was on entertainment tonight.
Speaker 1: It's like coming up some celebrity wedding. I was like
Speaker 1: some nowhere. I don't even care about December. It was
Speaker 1: you with that incredible headge. Did you watch nine two
Speaker 1: one zero in Australia? Yes? I mean I was only
Speaker 1: four or five when it actually started, but my oldest sixteen,
Speaker 1: so she would watch it, and I was sort of
Speaker 1: forced to watch them in that sense and memory, being
Speaker 1: about seven years old, and I remember this guy ideal
Speaker 1: and had to choose between brunette and the blonde, and
Speaker 1: for some reason, this little seven year was like, I
Speaker 1: wanted to choose the blonde, and luckily for me and
Speaker 1: here we are, Oh my god, to keep going. I
Speaker 1: want to hear your question that maybe Jenny's never heard before. Um, well,
Speaker 1: so I know that it's hard for actors to watch
Speaker 1: themselves back and you know, have a look at work.
Speaker 1: But now that we're about well you're about a third
Speaker 1: of way through watching, you know, not each one in itself.
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, how are you finding are you looking
Speaker 1: at are you seeing things? You're like, Oh, I wish
Speaker 1: I'd delivered that differently, or interpret that differently, or you know,
Speaker 1: that's I'm really proud of how I've done that. I
Speaker 1: think that's exactly what was right for the character, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Like how is it now watching your work back all
Speaker 1: these years later? I mean, that's a good question. Again.
Speaker 1: I look, I don't like watching my current self now,
Speaker 1: Like I don't watch what I'm doing right now, But
Speaker 1: watching that young girl do this show is so much
Speaker 1: fun for me because it's as if it's a different person.
Speaker 1: But I do have this really like motherly sort of
Speaker 1: connection with her in a weird way, because she was
Speaker 1: so young and so green and so naive and so
Speaker 1: just like really thrown into this crazy world of fame
Speaker 1: and you know, all the things that came along with
Speaker 1: being on the show. I feel like watching Kelly, watching
Speaker 1: myself play Kelly. I'm really proud of her. I'm really
Speaker 1: I'm proud of what I was able to do as
Speaker 1: an actress with absolutely no training to speak of and
Speaker 1: no experience really, and that really, I think it taught
Speaker 1: me to sort of act in a way where it's
Speaker 1: it's more about organic, real feelings through the characters body, image, wardrobe,
Speaker 1: makeup all those things. So like, I feel, I feel
Speaker 1: what Kelly's going through, and I think that that is
Speaker 1: a testament to even though I had no idea what
Speaker 1: I was doing, to my ability to play her that way,
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm just so grateful that, um they
Speaker 1: let me do that, you know that that's that's where
Speaker 1: I learned sort of going off that as well then,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, you guys were doing over thirty episodes.
Speaker 1: I see a year crazy by the way, the amount
Speaker 1: of episodes is just nuts. Yeah, it was like child labor,
Speaker 1: weird broken somewhere like that would include you know, like
Speaker 1: the doubles that you've mentioned, and I can only imagine
Speaker 1: how um, you know, promotional things you have to do
Speaker 1: for the show and everything as well. How was it
Speaker 1: working on that, Like was it just so quick, like,
Speaker 1: we don't have to time it on the tank. We
Speaker 1: don't have time to really look at this scene and research,
Speaker 1: you know, especially as these went on, Your your character
Speaker 1: went through so much that was it hard? Were you
Speaker 1: wanting to do more research or preparation than time allowed?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean especially with like the meteor stuff
Speaker 1: that I had to do, you know, all the crazy
Speaker 1: things that Kelly went through. Um, I would have loved
Speaker 1: a little more time to prepare. But it was literally
Speaker 1: read this script, get it memorized, show up on set,
Speaker 1: do your job, go back, memorize something else, and do that.
Speaker 1: You know, we never had any time for any rehearsal
Speaker 1: to speak of, or like any you know, sitting around
Speaker 1: talking about the characters. There was none of that. We
Speaker 1: were really just flying by the seat of our pants. Yeah. Sorry,
Speaker 1: one more, Ricky, got one that's gonna stump or try
Speaker 1: try try one more. None of us I'm writing too,
Speaker 1: like the ghostie side of things and everything. But um,
Speaker 1: and you might not want to answer this, and that's
Speaker 1: absolutely funn I understand it now. I hope he does.
Speaker 1: There was an actor that was costing your love interest
Speaker 1: in the seventh season. Um that both you and Larry
Speaker 1: Mullen have mentioned that you didn't enjoy working with who
Speaker 1: was it? Who was it? Dalton James play. I think
Speaker 1: it was when you went tour they were promoting Mystery Girls,
Speaker 1: and I remember I saw you playing. It was like
Speaker 1: an actually, why don't you want to a game where
Speaker 1: you probably catch you, Oh, your boyfriend's in order, and
Speaker 1: I remember you, well, yeah, Well it's so weird because
Speaker 1: I honestly can't like remember any like weird thing I
Speaker 1: had with him, or like I didn't dislike him in
Speaker 1: that I can recall. Maybe there just wasn't chemistry. I
Speaker 1: think that that was more it that I just didn't
Speaker 1: feel like a fit for Kelly, and so maybe he
Speaker 1: wasn't my favor. You know, it's so funny, and I
Speaker 1: know I'm obviously I'm not answering the question because what
Speaker 1: the hell do I know? But like when we were
Speaker 1: about to interview Paul Johansson, we all were like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, because John Sears sucks so bad that you
Speaker 1: get confused. You're like, okay, But Paul Johanson was like amazing,
Speaker 1: and he's such a nice, cool guy and he was
Speaker 1: such a great guest and everyone loved him, and like,
Speaker 1: it was so much fun and he was amazing that
Speaker 1: I do think, and even I, like have interviewed Paul
Speaker 1: a million times. I even was like, oh, John Sears, Oh,
Speaker 1: I wonder what can Dalton's character like characters sucked all right?
Speaker 1: His character was supposed to be, you know, a good
Speaker 1: combination of Brandon and Dylan because Kelly was between them
Speaker 1: sort of at the time, and I never saw that
Speaker 1: sort of you know, Brandon dealers about him. But I
Speaker 1: was just sort of, yeah, curious, But that's absolutely fine.
Speaker 1: I think that's so funny. And I know I'm getting
Speaker 1: I'm getting over my skis. But the two guest stars
Speaker 1: that always stand out to me or I don't know
Speaker 1: if they were guest stars or like semi regulars whatever
Speaker 1: you call Jamie Walters and then the cutie that I
Speaker 1: always say his name. His name's out of my head.
Speaker 1: But the dates I think Donna like that cutie. I
Speaker 1: think he was like, oh, which one before that? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I said his name the other day. I
Speaker 1: was waiting for which one, Briton. Nope, Now I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to look while we have the next question. And
Speaker 1: it's so weird how certain people with you know, arcs
Speaker 1: stand out to you, like where you're like, you know,
Speaker 1: like certain guests are certain people and you just totally
Speaker 1: don't forget them, and then others you're like personal was on.
Speaker 1: It's so bad. I feel terrible because if I had
Speaker 1: a visual, I would remember it in a heartbeat, like
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh yeah, yeah, seen Alice. She didn't
Speaker 1: do that many episodes, but she is like practically in
Speaker 1: the core cast. It's like so interesting how much she
Speaker 1: stands out and how certain people you forget. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Sorry, that's all I got. Thank you
Speaker 1: for that. Good day. Wow, Thank you. I hope you
Speaker 1: have a great day. You have a whole day ahead
Speaker 1: of you. Thank you a getting so much good time.
Speaker 1: I really do appreciate that. Oh my god, you gotta
Speaker 1: come back when we do the deep dive into Donna,
Speaker 1: because this is a deep dive into Kellers now and
Speaker 1: I I just it's such an honor to you to
Speaker 1: be he's sitting with do you. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it, And thank you for doing this
Speaker 1: podcast as well. Um, it's awesome. Thank you. I'm so
Speaker 1: glad you like it. I love these people. Sarah will
Speaker 1: take Sarah next. But oh my god, I mean our
Speaker 1: fans for this crazy to be you, to have people
Speaker 1: just love your work, love you love that show. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's be real, they really love that show. And I
Speaker 1: can't get why, like like celebrities get kind of addicted
Speaker 1: to that, like and how it would be so hard if, like,
Speaker 1: you know, you didn't ever get that, because it's like
Speaker 1: it's it is sort of like it's such a nice feeling.
Speaker 1: It's better than people saying I hate you, you suck.
Speaker 1: I really have to remember that actor's name. He's just
Speaker 1: super cutie. I'll think of it. I cannot think of
Speaker 1: his name. I can, Daddy, I'll get it. I'll get it. Hi, Why,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so excited. I'm so excited. You
Speaker 1: don't even know. It's like Amy, I wish that I knew,
Speaker 1: I would have like looked like her in my office
Speaker 1: right now. So the reason I wanted Sarah to come
Speaker 1: on was also to sort of analyze, like a lot
Speaker 1: of the people had questions for you, but I wanted
Speaker 1: people that could also analyze Kelly, like the good, the bad,
Speaker 1: and the ugly, like you said, Jenny. So Sarah will
Speaker 1: you say, like, what is it that you're drawn to
Speaker 1: with Kelly and what do you not like and why
Speaker 1: do we you know, we get mad at her, but
Speaker 1: we forgive her on the Dylan thing like it. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many things. There's so many things.
Speaker 1: There's also season one Kelly, and then there's like every
Speaker 1: other season Kelly, so I will say that there's definitely
Speaker 1: a separation there. My favorite Kelly was definitely like season two,
Speaker 1: season three, season four, because I actually the Dylan. I'm
Speaker 1: probably talking in circles, so stop me, but the Dylan
Speaker 1: and Kelly storyline was my favorite, as I'm sure it
Speaker 1: was many other favorites. I was definitely a team Kelly
Speaker 1: all the way. But I felt and watching those episodes now,
Speaker 1: and I know, if you guys discussed on the pod today,
Speaker 1: we would have been so upset at your character for
Speaker 1: doing something like that. But there was something about that
Speaker 1: storyline back then that I was never mad at Kelly
Speaker 1: for doing that. And I also didn't hate Brenda, so
Speaker 1: it wasn't like I was team A or Team B
Speaker 1: or Team B or K. I should say, I just
Speaker 1: just saw the chemistry and the attraction and that storyline
Speaker 1: and how Kelly has flourished from season one to two
Speaker 1: at that point, I guess it was three, and how
Speaker 1: your life evolved from that point on, And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I was just rooting that storyline to me still, I
Speaker 1: still watch it all the time on Paramount now, and
Speaker 1: that that I think was like the peak of when
Speaker 1: people really got to know Kelly and whether they hated
Speaker 1: her or not. But I mean, like obviously they knew
Speaker 1: her a lot, like throughout, you know, all of like
Speaker 1: this this stuck with Jackie from season one, um and
Speaker 1: all the problems obviously that you've had throughout the entire series,
Speaker 1: you mean, poor I'm not really doing this through right
Speaker 1: now because yeah, yeah, so to season four. But I
Speaker 1: do think that there was a season one Kelly and
Speaker 1: then there was beyond that everybody really fell for. And
Speaker 1: my favorite thing about Kelly, and I'll say this is
Speaker 1: that I think girls loved her and guys loved her equally.
Speaker 1: I think girls were in love with her and guys
Speaker 1: were in love with her in sexual and non sexual ways. Right,
Speaker 1: We talked about that a little bit. She's a girls
Speaker 1: girl definitely through but also every guy had a crush
Speaker 1: on her, but all so we'd like hang out with
Speaker 1: her and like want to Like Steve, we were talking
Speaker 1: about the beach with her, you know, and she's a
Speaker 1: loyal girlfriend and a loyal ex girlfriend exactly exactly. I
Speaker 1: think that's cool. I think that's a good um take
Speaker 1: on it, because yeah, being a good friend was really
Speaker 1: important to Kelly, and I don't think it mattered if
Speaker 1: it was a girl or a boy. And I don't
Speaker 1: think Kelly really led with her sexuality or her like
Speaker 1: you know, look at me, I am the hot girl.
Speaker 1: Like she never really did that, So it didn't it
Speaker 1: didn't like put people off, you know, especially girls that
Speaker 1: she was just I don't know, there was like a
Speaker 1: comfortability with her, I think right right, Like she wasn't
Speaker 1: like that villain that I think that she was like
Speaker 1: casted to be or mean you know that you were
Speaker 1: casted to play that season one that Beverly les Brat.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe she was a little bit then, but
Speaker 1: I think you evolved into the role and I think
Speaker 1: that she became that girl's girl where she wasn't just
Speaker 1: showing off and she you know, she was real and
Speaker 1: she was just somebody that like I wanted to be
Speaker 1: friends with like I wanted to be here, and this
Speaker 1: is a weird topic, but it's like she's so pretty, right, right,
Speaker 1: But she's not so pretty that you're like, I hate her.
Speaker 1: She's so pretty, right, She's more like so pretty that
Speaker 1: you're like, I love her. She's so pretty? Do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Right? But how would you saying
Speaker 1: if it was the other way? Like, right, right, I here,
Speaker 1: she's so pretty because there are those people that are
Speaker 1: like there's a couple, there's people in Hollywood that where
Speaker 1: they're like, they're beautiful, but there's something sort of like
Speaker 1: where you're like, I don't want to hang out with that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: where she's not that Like, No, Kelly's a good hang.
Speaker 1: I'm a good hang. Kelly's a good I agree, I agree? Yeah,
Speaker 1: uh huh. I think that's interesting. So I asked, um,
Speaker 1: thank you, by the way, Sarah, what would be three
Speaker 1: words you would use to describe Kelly? And luckily so
Speaker 1: for people listening, Sarah didn't hear the beginning. So I
Speaker 1: want to know, like from you, what would be the
Speaker 1: three words you would use to describe money. Um, So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go I'm gonna say sexy Kelly, like those
Speaker 1: scenes with Dylan in season three, like they just say
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I never really saw her sexy. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I want to say that, yeah, sexy.
Speaker 1: I want to say confident, but I feel like there
Speaker 1: was a vulnerability about her, so um, loyal, loyal, loyal, loyal.
Speaker 1: M I do want to say confident though, because I
Speaker 1: do think that she knew how to own who she was,
Speaker 1: like down the halls of Les Beverly, like she knew
Speaker 1: she was Kelly Taylor, and she knew she was you
Speaker 1: know who her place was there. But yeah, confidence good.
Speaker 1: We've seen that recently with Steve being confident to stand
Speaker 1: up for him and then also with John Sears being
Speaker 1: confident to go now that I know you're a pig,
Speaker 1: I'm out. It took her, but once she by loser. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm actually I don't know if you're at this point,
Speaker 1: but I was watching, UM, so I was telling Amy,
Speaker 1: I'm like rewatching with you guys as you're listening, Um,
Speaker 1: I'm paramount and I was watching. There's a scene when
Speaker 1: you were off at the retreat with Brandon and he's
Speaker 1: with Lucinda and you're still okay. I don't think you
Speaker 1: are that far I want to talk about it. We
Speaker 1: retreat and I'm so greed. We're about to watch the
Speaker 1: episode where they go scheme, we're about to talk about okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So I'm a little ahead of you. You're just like,
Speaker 1: I know, I watched it when I get ready for
Speaker 1: work in the morning, and I'm just like, first of all,
Speaker 1: I love people that I watch it. It's like a
Speaker 1: sexiness about Kelly, like as a woman that I could say,
Speaker 1: like I think that she exuded like I don't know,
Speaker 1: there was just something so like I don't, I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't explain it. It's a good word. I can't
Speaker 1: let you watch it. I mean, Kelly, Dylan, Kelly and
Speaker 1: Dylan together, it's like you wanted your TV to just
Speaker 1: like combust. Like I actually like Kelly and Dylan right
Speaker 1: now in the phase we're in another sort of reunited.
Speaker 1: It's not totally clear. It's very comfortable. They seem very
Speaker 1: comfortable with themselves, each other and the relationship. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: has season fourgotten to that point. I agree, I agree,
Speaker 1: But I just I know that there's was, like you know,
Speaker 1: there were so many different like sides, especially I know,
Speaker 1: like Amy, you were saying like your Instagram was just
Speaker 1: blowing up during the season three rewatch of all of
Speaker 1: that and Team Kelly and Team Brenda, and it's it's
Speaker 1: I think that will forever be like the hottest storyline.
Speaker 1: Good years later, it's crazy to me because I again, like, like,
Speaker 1: am I wrong for thinking there was nothing wrong with that?
Speaker 1: Like they just totally I guess I'm wrong. I guess
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I think I'd say, maybe only a little
Speaker 1: bit wrong, Like it was bad, it wasn't messed up
Speaker 1: that she went out with her bed friend. It is
Speaker 1: so my boyfriend, but he was her ex boyfriend. But
Speaker 1: when yeah, but then it's yeah, a little it was
Speaker 1: when I wouldn't and I would never do that to
Speaker 1: a friend, especially I just wouldn't. But as I'm watching that,
Speaker 1: I just didn't feel like, I know, I don't I
Speaker 1: agree with you. I don't think that I would. Yeah,
Speaker 1: condone that now, well and that's really weird. Okay, So
Speaker 1: thirty years later, right, we get like people are mad
Speaker 1: mad and they're like, yeah, you suck, and like they
Speaker 1: get so blurred like you're not Team Brenda, why don't
Speaker 1: you like Shannon? And I'm like like what but here's
Speaker 1: what's so weird. If we're to buy into the characters,
Speaker 1: Brenda is fine with it now it's like very weird.
Speaker 1: Like so Brenda over at Dylan's with you, playing with
Speaker 1: the sister, it's all hunky dory. So they're still mad
Speaker 1: even though Brenda's not mad right right. I have loved, though,
Speaker 1: to see like what I want to love more, see
Speaker 1: more meat around that, Like how did they come to
Speaker 1: being able to hang out together? And how did Brenda?
Speaker 1: You know, what was her emotional journey with that more
Speaker 1: than just like the sad way stuff, but like getting
Speaker 1: to like being okay with it and becoming the friend
Speaker 1: group again, Like I just sort of maybe some of
Speaker 1: the confidence. I don't know. Yeah, I have heard about
Speaker 1: that a lot too, because as I'm watching those scenes,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, if I were Brenda, I could not
Speaker 1: be happy hanging out with these two right now in
Speaker 1: this big group no way, and just seeing and Kelly
Speaker 1: and Dylan all lovey and hugging. And then she's just
Speaker 1: sitting there, but she she's making the character think that
Speaker 1: this is perfectly fine and I'm okay with it. Well,
Speaker 1: but it flares up. Think about Thanksgiving? Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: like bitter and then but I want to see that,
Speaker 1: you know, like when you watch The Bachelor and you
Speaker 1: see the girls are really melting down. You know, I've
Speaker 1: never watched The Bachelor. I watched The Bachelor. Now this season,
Speaker 1: I'm in, Okay, it's so weird is now you're watching.
Speaker 1: It's not even that I have been so bad I
Speaker 1: can't not watch it, but it's like I want I
Speaker 1: want to see the meltdowns with Brenda and Kelly a
Speaker 1: little bit more like I want to see the inner
Speaker 1: workings of like what as women young women? Like what
Speaker 1: how did that happen that they came back together? And yeah,
Speaker 1: we never really got to see that, And I agree,
Speaker 1: it just would have been nice to really explore the
Speaker 1: dynamics because it's just like a couple episodes one by
Speaker 1: and then they're friends again a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, No.
Speaker 1: I also wonder Sarah will let you go in a second.
Speaker 1: But I also wonder too, like because when you when
Speaker 1: you rewatch and like you get these clips on TikTok,
Speaker 1: they that clip on TikTok of the the walk. Remember
Speaker 1: when you have to do the walk with her to
Speaker 1: find you know and tell her, Oh, my god, I
Speaker 1: heartbreak watch today. So maybe we've watched that so much
Speaker 1: that it's like imprinted in us. But we didn't watch
Speaker 1: these all happy happy, they're fine, They're fine as many times,
Speaker 1: so we're like, oh, that's messed up because we saw
Speaker 1: it thirty times and we've only seen them like so happy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that all that tension and all that drama really
Speaker 1: did stick out for people, and I think stick with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah a little bit. Wait, Sarah, you rock. We'll have
Speaker 1: you back for sure. No, I would love to talk
Speaker 1: about this all day. Thank you and Jenny. I Um,
Speaker 1: I am going to nineties Con and I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: I told Amy I was using my magic every which
Speaker 1: way I I am. So I live in the city,
Speaker 1: so it's a two hour car ride, I'm getting it's
Speaker 1: only two hours from the city. So yeah, it's a Hartvard, Connecticut. Wait, Sarah,
Speaker 1: do you have a husband. I do. Does he think
Speaker 1: you're nuts? Yes? He saw my likes my like, he's like,
Speaker 1: you are really good at your job. I can't eat
Speaker 1: like the way. I literally was like calling up everyone
Speaker 1: that I knew, like Amy. I bothered Amy. I was
Speaker 1: like I would have made it happen. But I was like,
Speaker 1: I have to get to this nineties con please, yes,
Speaker 1: I need like I need like a group picture because
Speaker 1: you know, you guys are all gonna be there, like
Speaker 1: you can get right next to my eye in and
Speaker 1: feel good about it, and Shannon is going to be there.
Speaker 1: I've never Jenny. I actually went to your book signing
Speaker 1: years ago at UM Ridgewood in Ridgewood, New Jersey at
Speaker 1: Bookends or something. I think that I've met you and
Speaker 1: Crazy and I met Tory, but I, um, I've never
Speaker 1: met Shannon and um Jason. I saw like they keep
Speaker 1: adding people like I saw, wait, Jason's going, He's on
Speaker 1: the website what and they added um like Rebecca Gayheart
Speaker 1: now is going and god yeah, like they're adding all
Speaker 1: these people and they're crazy. There are so many like
Speaker 1: Saved by the Bell and full House and full yeah yeah, Charmed, Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm going to see you in Crime Crime Can.
Speaker 1: There's your other weekend So just revealed herself, don't you
Speaker 1: Crime Can? I promise? Okay, guys, Oh my god, Na,
Speaker 1: he is coming. I'm so excited. I am excited for you.
Speaker 1: That's so cute