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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale, Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Our number two from OTAs here on day number four.

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Speaker 2: It's a special edition of the Drive. Wes Shuler, Dale Lallie,

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson with you here as practice is ongoing on

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Speaker 2: a beautiful June day in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 3: We aren't talking about practice.

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Speaker 2: We are talking about practice, not the game, practice practice.

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Speaker 2: But it is exciting. As we mentioned, this is what

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Speaker 2: June is supposed to feel like. It's it's you know,

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Speaker 2: it's not certainly not even close to ramped up all

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Speaker 2: the way to ten. But it is football. It is

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Speaker 2: happening in front of us, and it is an important

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Speaker 2: part of the process.

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Speaker 4: No question about it. I mean again, it's it's phase one.

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Speaker 4: People get too excited about this stuff. They get too

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Speaker 4: excited about who's not here for now. I mean that's

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Speaker 4: a big thing. You hear all over the pecking order

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Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff. But no, I think

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Speaker 4: it's really valuable. It's three weeks of more or less

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Speaker 4: being together.

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Speaker 3: What's up. Everybody won't be here next week, yes, exactly, exactly.

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Speaker 5: I mean next week we have Next week, we'll have even.

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Speaker 2: At least they better begu there while it's gonna getting

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Speaker 2: a little lighter.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we use the analogy if last week was kindergarten,

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Speaker 4: this is first grade.

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Speaker 5: Next week will be like third grade, you know, like

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Speaker 2: It's moving up into the intermediate school, right, you leave

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Speaker 2: the elementary school into the intermediate or the you know,

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Speaker 2: intermediate school before you go to middle school type thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an orientation for training camp next week. I

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Speaker 4: think you'll see a little bit different tempo. All the

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Speaker 4: big dogs will be here and all that stuff too.

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Speaker 4: It's not like they'll be blocking and tackling and whatnot,

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Speaker 4: but sure.

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Speaker 2: But and not just on the field too, Like what

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Speaker 2: they do in the facility behind us gets ramped up

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Speaker 2: next week as well.

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Speaker 5: Too, especially the position meeting room from the I'm sure

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Speaker 5: Cam Hayward, TJ. Watt, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: Are gonna be look at the young guys like you

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Speaker 4: don't know that yet. Come on, man, you've been here

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Speaker 4: for two weeks. We know that, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is week number three. It's time to start

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Speaker 2: finding new mistakes, right that's yeah, that's another one. That

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Speaker 2: you hear the same mistakes you're making week one. You

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Speaker 2: better be finding new ones, week two, new ones, week three,

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Speaker 2: you better be improving and getting to the next level

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Speaker 2: in the process.

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Speaker 5: And you hope there's no injuries, you know, knock knock

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Speaker 5: on work, absolutely, and you know.

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Speaker 4: A nice break that everybody needs, and you hope that

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Speaker 4: nobody's doing dumb stuff from that point.

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Speaker 5: And then it's real, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, six seven weeks of let's not hear anybody's name

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Speaker 2: in the headlines, and let's all make it to La

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Speaker 2: Trobe in one piece, and yeah, absolutely, kind of the

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Speaker 2: the final boxes that we're checking here before all eyes

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Speaker 2: upon latrobe. Before we get to that, we've got plenty

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Speaker 2: of other things to discuss, plenty of other conversations. And

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Speaker 2: you know, guys, this time of year it is and

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Speaker 2: we repeat this a million times. But for those who

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Speaker 2: might just be jumping into the to the show here,

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Speaker 2: we are not allowed to detail exactly what is going

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Speaker 2: on out here. In practice, we can give you some

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Speaker 2: observations and things like that, but it's not like training

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Speaker 2: camp where we can do some pseudo play by play

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Speaker 2: of what's going on and really paint a picture for you.

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Speaker 2: I think that you know, allows some bigger picture conversations

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Speaker 2: this time of year, and one that I always like

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Speaker 2: having the kind of appeals to. I think the sports

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Speaker 2: dork in me that I know you guys share as

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Speaker 2: well too, and the football geek is when you bring

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Speaker 2: in new coordinators with new philosophies. The first year, the

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Speaker 2: when Arthur Smith gets here last year, the majority of

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Speaker 2: and he's got a big say in those things obviously,

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Speaker 2: And this isn't just on offense, you know, or you

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Speaker 2: he's the one that I do all the hours of radio.

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Speaker 5: With every week.

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Speaker 2: His first four years in Buffalo, he had three different

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Speaker 2: he talks about how I can't remember if it was

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Speaker 2: to odd, or if they were four to three then three,

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Speaker 3: Twe those are changes crazy, right.

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Speaker 2: And those are massive changes, particularly when you're asking hand

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Speaker 2: those things are a little more noticeable when it's a

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Speaker 2: change that drastic on the defensive side of the football.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but there's still obviously plenty of that with

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Speaker 2: the time where and again we've kind of struck down

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Speaker 2: the John new Smith conversation. But you know, maybe where

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Speaker 2: you're looking at some guys who might really not necessarily fit,

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Speaker 2: but where you're going out and you're saying it's time

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Speaker 2: trying to do, right, Red paint to paint the barn rent.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'll start with a defensive example that I'm

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Speaker 4: And obviously this isn't how it went. There's no fact

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Speaker 4: of Pitt He's right next door. He's a certain type

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Speaker 4: of defensive tackle. He is vastly undersized, but the Steelers

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Speaker 4: have scouted him as a scout. Everyone doing due diligence

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Speaker 4: and like, this dude is incredible special. I think he's

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Speaker 4: gonna be one of the best two or three players

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Speaker 4: draft him under Lebaux. I mean, what's he going to

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Speaker 4: new scheme perfectly, and we're trying to find one and

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Speaker 4: there isn't one.

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Speaker 5: Close to that level, you know, like right exactly.

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Speaker 4: You know, Oh, Steelers get stale with their coaches being

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Speaker 4: around all the time, it's a huge advantage. I mean

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Speaker 4: I've cited this six thousand times. When I scouted for

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Speaker 4: the Browns, we were a four to three Miami the

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Speaker 4: U attacking old school defense. Butch David gets fired. Romeo

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Speaker 4: you know, Like I still have reports on the guys,

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Speaker 4: but it's like I'm scouting for the old team, not

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Speaker 2: Like they're scouting for an Italian meal right now, we're

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Speaker 4: And to use that example, you know, like get back

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Speaker 4: to Arthur Smith, All good coaches realize that this is

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Speaker 4: not a restaurant where I can get the same ingredients

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Speaker 4: every week. I'm gonna make my lasagna the exactly. I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna make a big Mac a big Mac, whether it's

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Speaker 2: Or I've got a red pain, I'm making the food.

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Speaker 4: Right right, and I can order red paint every time,

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Speaker 4: you know. Like so, any good coach realizes, year to year,

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Speaker 4: week to week, month to month, I'm not gonna have

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Speaker 4: the same ingredients where McDonald's has the same little chopped

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Speaker 2: Macs the same just drop it off the same thing

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Speaker 4: But we want the same ingredients as close as we can,

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Speaker 4: you know. And in terms of I'm the best big

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: So for this example, when they hired Smith, it worried me.

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Speaker 4: And still I don't know where how the woods here

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Speaker 4: is with the previous regime. Even after Canada was let go,

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Speaker 4: I thought a lot of their most effective run plays

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Speaker 2: Linemen and Harris's bread and Butter, and that was.

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Speaker 4: Dodgy's bread and Butter. And I was worried they would

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Speaker 4: scrap that and just go entirely zone. Well, nobody goes entirely.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it would predominantly. And it does worry me

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Speaker 4: that they're less way less inclined now to use power

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Speaker 5: But they're not. That's the way. I mean, that was

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Speaker 5: their decision, and it's fine.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't mean it's a wrong decision by any means,

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Speaker 4: but there was a good thing going that they got

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Speaker 4: away from. Now that doesn't mean that this new scheme

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Speaker 4: can't be way better, because I think it is already

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Speaker 4: to be. Frank I mean than his predecessors, just in

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Speaker 5: And his history of devising run scheme is really really good.

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Speaker 4: He makes a lot of things look the same until

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Speaker 4: they're not, you know, right, And a lot of big people,

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Speaker 4: a lot of tight ends, and a lot of outside

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Speaker 4: zone and zone stuff in particular, which is really hard

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Speaker 4: to defend. I mean, it's a lot of big people

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Speaker 5: And over the last.

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Speaker 4: Couple of years they've drafted a lot of athletic linemen.

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Speaker 4: You know, you don't want the three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: pound guard. We all love Ramon Foster, but like that guy,

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Speaker 4: doesn't you know, he's the Aaron Donald in the Lebau conversation,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, not for us anymore, you know,

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Speaker 4: and certainly a zone runner like Caleb Johnson as opposed

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Speaker 4: to a man runner like Nausey. Now, if they would

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Speaker 4: have kept the same scheme with Nausee still be around,

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Speaker 4: in the future, they knew he wasn't coming back. I

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Speaker 4: mean basically probably the day they hired Arthur Smith, like,

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Speaker 4: we got one more year in Nausey, and at that

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Speaker 4: wear and tear in his body. We'll draft the zone run.

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Speaker 4: And so this year I would think you're going to

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Speaker 4: see much more Arthur Smith concepts.

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Speaker 5: And even Pickens versus Mech. I mean it.

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Speaker 2: Affects every position, absolutely.

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Speaker 4: So this is gonna sound cruel and mean, but this

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Speaker 4: what do you like? You know, what do you give

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Speaker 5: That he plays the way he does.

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Speaker 5: And I'll just put it out there.

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Speaker 5: Now you gotta go right, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: No, no, and now all the defensive coordinators know how

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Speaker 5: And he should have say he's earned it too.

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Speaker 4: Because Smith and Lafleur were together.

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Speaker 4: He's done the Laflora offense, which is the Smith offense

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Speaker 2: It's but at seven yards I needed it eight and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I'm not gonna throw it to I mean,

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Speaker 5: You know, like it's easy to say, boy, Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 5: I want them to be. And I'm very very particular.

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Speaker 4: You'd like him to get here sooner than later, you know,

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Speaker 4: To popular belief, it's not like they signed Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 5: And meet in the middle.

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Speaker 4: And I'll bet a bazillion dollars that was as much

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Speaker 5: You know, how do I marry what I do with.

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Speaker 2: What you do? In those same conversations with with Russell

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Speaker 5: Yes, they don't come in before and kind of audition

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Speaker 5: Super quick on Rogers too. I called it ahead.

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Speaker 2: We've got nothing but time then.

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Speaker 4: I mean things that he's going to do no matter

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Speaker 4: He's going to be aggressive as could be on those situations,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt, And that is obviously something that

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Speaker 2: Those guys like that never lose. Yeah, no, without a doubt.

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Speaker 2: Got to get to a break here, But as we

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Speaker 2: That offense, that running back room, all of that and more.

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Speaker 2: from OTA's Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: At least is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Williams on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Rocking and rolling here from the south side is practice

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Speaker 2: is underway. We've got the offensive lineman here in front

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Speaker 2: of us defense and the rest of the offense across

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Speaker 2: the way on a be a utiful day here on

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Speaker 2: the south side of the sun is shining, the mood

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Speaker 2: is high. Our guy Rob King going to join us

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Speaker 2: in just a few minutes. Offensive lineman working on some

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Speaker 2: technique over here, Matt. Not to get too specific, but

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Speaker 2: you know, yeah, I thought and some technique. Yeah, what

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Speaker 2: are you saying again?

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Speaker 4: This is not divulging, you know, scheme secrets or anything.

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Speaker 4: But they had offensive linemen on their back with a

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Speaker 4: medicine ball right above them, dropping it with extended hands.

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Speaker 2: Pretty cool.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And really what.

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Speaker 4: They're working on, it's a huge, huge thing of offensive

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Speaker 4: line play. Is that six inch punch. Punch punch. You're

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Speaker 4: in tight quarters? Yeah, I can punch like Tyson when

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Speaker 4: I come from here to you know from where that's

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Speaker 4: not where you're coming from. That's not where you're coming from.

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Speaker 4: You have hands in front of your chest, and it's.

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Speaker 5: A short, really really powerful.

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Speaker 4: Kill bill, you know, right right getting out of the

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Speaker 4: coffee right exactly that type of thing where short area

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Speaker 4: of power is really really important. And what I found

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Speaker 4: interesting is another thing people don't necessarily think about with

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Speaker 4: offensive line play and punching is if you're punching with

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Speaker 4: two hands, I often have to take my shoulders, have

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Speaker 4: to go with me. You know, they're not always right

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Speaker 4: in front of my body. If they are great, I

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Speaker 4: can blast them with two hands and I'm gonna get

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Speaker 4: better power. But the really good offensive lineman independent hands

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Speaker 4: is really important. And like they when they were dropping

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Speaker 4: the medicine ball, they were doing two hand punches, but

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Speaker 4: they were also doing just left or just right, even

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Speaker 4: though it's the same.

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Speaker 5: Weight and it's harder. But think about like.

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Speaker 4: Webby going back with all those highlights and he's got

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Speaker 4: to the white hands and he's knocking knocking this guy

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Speaker 4: with one or knocking this guy with another. If you

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Speaker 4: can win with independent hands, especially a tackle against edge

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Speaker 4: rushers and guys like that, at you might not be

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Speaker 4: able to get two on If I got to get

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Speaker 4: two to get to the outside edge and then TJ

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Speaker 4: crosses my face and I'm kind of hamstrung here, I'm

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Speaker 4: in trouble.

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Speaker 3: So it was just a cool little drilled as we

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Speaker 3: watched twist his arms around that right and are you.

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Speaker 6: Just talking shoulders square there?

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Speaker 7: Because also when you're if you're zone blocking and a

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Speaker 7: lot and a lot of pulling going on.

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Speaker 6: Right, it's the same thing.

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Speaker 7: Right, you're gonna use that lead hand that inside great

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Speaker 7: try to push guys off.

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Speaker 5: Or even on double team.

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Speaker 4: So I'm only gonna get you know, I'm attacking his

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Speaker 4: outside shoulder with my hand while this one's looking for

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Speaker 4: the next guy.

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Speaker 5: You know, no questions, A great point, no question. So

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Speaker 5: strength power coordination for independent hands and length and armlengths

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Speaker 5: is massive. Is It's absolutely huge? Why does arm length matter?

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Speaker 2: That's get your hand on somebody.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't decide dale sexy or painful with that voice.

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Speaker 2: Okay, another thing like with arm length to it just

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Speaker 2: it just dawned on me.

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Speaker 4: But like Khalil Max, one of the best in the

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Speaker 4: last ten years of using like a one arm technique.

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Speaker 4: If he comes off the edge, even if you're a

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Speaker 4: long armed guy, and he stabs you with one arm

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Speaker 4: and only gives you his width and has that kind

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Speaker 4: of power, He's going to be harder than you no

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Speaker 4: matter what.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man.

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Speaker 3: And he's giving you no surface, no surface to hit.

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Speaker 4: And if he has enough power to at least shock

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Speaker 4: you or sustain your breastplate with one long arm technique,

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Speaker 4: then this guy over here can do damage you know,

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Speaker 4: or you know, grab you through, rip you through whatever

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the program, The King in

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Speaker 2: the Castle, the voice of Pittsburgh Steelers Rob King.

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Speaker 3: Published author.

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Speaker 6: I haven't heard that published author. Oh yeah, we got

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Speaker 6: it all going. I guess he.

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Speaker 2: Even does some TV as well too, But kind enough

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Speaker 2: to join us here on radio. What's up? Kicker?

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Speaker 6: Paul skeins later today, double dipping? Going on?

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Speaker 7: That? Is that? Here?

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Speaker 2: Is that a road game?

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Speaker 6: That is here? They're home for the next nine days.

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Speaker 6: He's always cracked up to be Oh my goodness, gracious.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know, I've told this to people, and

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Speaker 7: you know, I remember growing up in New York and

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Speaker 7: and really yeah and uh and loving you know, I

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Speaker 7: grew up as a as a Mets fan back in

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Speaker 7: the day and loved Doc goodin you know, watching watching

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Speaker 7: him come up. But for and and his first couple

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Speaker 7: of years were sensational. He came up to a nineteen

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Speaker 7: year old yeah you know. Uh, Skens came up as

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Speaker 7: a as a gray haired twenty one year old last year,

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Speaker 7: you know, so so there was a difference in age,

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Speaker 7: but as far as just you know, uh, oh thank you.

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Speaker 2: Because he has a chair. He has a chair.

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Speaker 5: I've got a chair.

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Speaker 7: Just as far as pure you know stuff, knowing how

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Speaker 7: to use his ability to grow.

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Speaker 6: Like my own private nickname for him.

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Speaker 7: Is the Terminator, but you know the first Terminator movie

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Speaker 7: where not only is he physically scary, but he's learning.

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Speaker 6: You know, he's learning, he's learning mentally as he.

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Speaker 2: Goes to play. He flies a kind of relentless.

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Speaker 7: Relentless, all those things. And this guy's been a pitcher

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Speaker 7: for two years. Two years. He's a catcher.

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Speaker 6: He was a catcher, relief pitcher.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 7: So he's he's uh and I mean you know he's uh,

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Speaker 7: it's uh. You know, everybody gets to that level working hard.

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Speaker 7: You can't get there without it. But he's got it.

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Speaker 7: He's got a different level of that. Everything's a different

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Speaker 7: level of that guy, I've never seen anybody like.

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Speaker 5: I know it's on Pirates Nation Radio, but I've quoted

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Speaker 5: you before.

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Speaker 2: That Johnny Rodger that you.

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Speaker 4: Thought he was the best pitching prospect you've ever seen ever.

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Speaker 4: I mean we're going back there, bombceiver, Doc Good and

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Speaker 4: Fernando Allawa, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Walter Johnson, Warrick Spond those guys. Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 5: So I can't even think of a football equivalent.

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Speaker 7: No, I think he's uh yeah, yeah, maybe maybe LT

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Speaker 7: because he just it's just a.

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Speaker 5: Different, different everybody else, right.

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Speaker 7: Than everybody else, right exactly right off the bat. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: you know, I don't I don't say that lightly. I've

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Speaker 7: thought about a lot. I've I've talked to other baseball people,

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Speaker 7: and I think other people would agree that never seen

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Speaker 7: anything like them.

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Speaker 6: Wow. So there we go. Yeah, we've got football practice

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Speaker 6: front of Ustown.

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Speaker 2: We have never seen we have never seen anything like

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Speaker 2: Rob King here in these parts in western Pennsylvania. Uh So, Kinger,

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Speaker 2: I mean you are you're a savvy and astute sports mind. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know you do the football, you do the baseball,

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Speaker 2: you do the hockey. A little bit of this, a

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Speaker 2: little bit of that. Published author trilogy fantasy novels is

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Speaker 2: what Ornstone.

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Speaker 6: Go out and buy it available on Amazon.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, that's Rob J R. R. King sitting sitting next

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Speaker 2: to us here. I know that you've been kind of

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Speaker 2: back and forth around with some of these practices, not

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Speaker 2: all these practices, correct, Uh, what are you looking for?

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Speaker 2: What are you observing? Who you've been talking to? What's

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Speaker 2: at the forefront of your mind out here on day

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Speaker 2: number four of OTA.

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Speaker 7: So a little different than what you guys are looking

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Speaker 7: at and a little different than I would be looking at.

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Speaker 5: Pronunt, I mean.

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Speaker 6: Exactly why yay fowl?

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 6: Uh like did you hunter?

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Speaker 7: Fo?

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Speaker 5: Okay, I will work on it, foul.

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Speaker 3: I had a very nice conversation yesterday, by the way,

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Speaker 3: as much as I could confirm. Uh yeah, yeah, Black's

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Speaker 3: high school coach, and uh he's an interesting guy, just

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Speaker 3: from the fact that I was watching some of his

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Speaker 3: high school tape. He was standing up as an outside

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Speaker 3: linebacker slash left tackle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, he played on the edge.

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Speaker 3: They used him on all kinds different stuff.

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Speaker 5: And uh, I know you did say something really athletic.

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Speaker 7: I mean he's big enough where they could have just

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Speaker 7: gone out with ten. He could have been both left

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Speaker 7: tackle and the outside guy. Right, he's a big human being.

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Speaker 3: He was like he played in high school at two fifty.

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Speaker 5: Wow, that was one hundred pounds ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because he was playing basketball, he was running track.

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Speaker 5: I loved playing that back.

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Speaker 3: He did all that stuff. I agreed, Yeah, played big,

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Speaker 3: you know baseball, that's awesome.

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Speaker 4: And not to words your mouth, I remember you talking

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Speaker 4: to Kirk Farrens for the y y Ye Black story

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Speaker 4: and said something along the lines of he was better

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Speaker 4: than I'm not gonna throw out the names, but he

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Speaker 4: was better than some of the guys that were drafted

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Speaker 4: way ahead of him in yes.

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Speaker 3: Years, Like it was they were at the same prospect camp.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and a guy who got drafted in the first

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Speaker 3: round out of Iowa to the Yah Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: was the better prospect. He just happened to put on

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Speaker 3: eighty pounds in college.

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Speaker 5: That's crazy, eighty eighty And he doesn't look fat. It's

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Speaker 5: not like he's just eating pizzas. And he's one of

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Speaker 5: those rare body types.

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Speaker 6: So and I know you asked the question, so I

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Speaker 6: will try to answer it.

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Speaker 7: So and I've told this to people like when I

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Speaker 7: was watching for years as a fan, or somebody who's

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Speaker 7: gonna be doing a pregame show or whatever much too.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure my wife's annoyance. I would I would, you know,

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Speaker 7: I'd be watching a game and I'd freeze it. I'd

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Speaker 7: be like, like, look, this guy's coming up. They're gonna

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Speaker 7: they're gonna roll into a covered you know, cover three

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Speaker 7: from this cover two shell, and this guy's gonna come.

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Speaker 7: And my wife's like, can we just watch the game.

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Speaker 7: And I don't really watch games or practices that way anymore.

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Speaker 7: I'm looking at the position groupings making sure I've got

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Speaker 7: the guy's memorized.

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Speaker 6: I'm not really and I'm sure I just watched the

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Speaker 6: seven shots, you know, to see who's doing what.

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Speaker 7: And you want to see along the way, has the

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Speaker 7: ball coming out of Will Howard sand or Mason Rudolph's

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Speaker 7: sand or who looks sharp running things? How do you

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Speaker 7: know intrigue by a lot of the same players that

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Speaker 7: other people are maybe even outside the draft picks like

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Speaker 7: DJ Thomas Jones, Sebastian Castro, another Iowa guy. How are

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Speaker 7: they looking? How are they moving around? But my job

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Speaker 7: is to is to know the numbers and and and

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Speaker 7: call the game. It's a little different than than how

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Speaker 7: I used to watch games or how i'd watched practices

661
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 7: from a couple of years ago.

662
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 4: So but still I've actually been and I know you

663
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 4: haven't done it for years after years after years, But

664
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 4: if it's a team that you don't see often, how

665
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 4: hard is it for you to learn the opponent in

666
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 4: five six days or whatever. Well, I think that, and

667
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 4: you don't have to know their ninetieth guy like you

668
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 4: do in the Steelers the preseason.

669
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, but preseason preseason is is tougher, and I'll

670
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 7: start digging into some of those guys over the next

671
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 7: couple of weeks.

672
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 5: But I did last I wouldn't expect people to know

673
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 5: the Bucks eightieth guy.

674
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: I better know who he is, though, I guess, I guess,

675
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: And when he gets caught up, when he gets caught

676
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: up on a random Tuesday afternoon in July or right, I.

677
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 7: Guess I'll start a little bit on some of those

678
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 7: other opponents. Now that's what I did last year. I

679
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 7: just kind of worked backwards so that when I got

680
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 7: ready for so, you know, trying to trying to kind

681
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 7: of boil it down to a to almost like a

682
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 7: forty six or whatever. You'd be memorizing for an opponent.

683
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 7: So if I look far enough ahead and and uh,

684
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 7: you know, the more you do.

685
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 6: It, you know, I wish i'd.

686
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 7: I didn't realize this till my junior year of college

687
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 7: that the teachers were actually right, Like the longer you

688
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 7: study it for a test, the better you did to amazing.

689
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: If you shut up the class, you had a better

690
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: chance of succeeding.

691
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 7: So Rob versus all of the the combined knowledge of

692
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 7: teachers over the years, I wanted to lose it, right, Yeah,

693
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 7: so you know, so I think that. So I'll do

694
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 7: a little bit of that and then you know, as

695
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 7: Wes can attest to, when I get on the when

696
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 7: I get on the plane, I am digging into the

697
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 7: next team on the way home. I got I got

698
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 7: the rosters printed out, just because it's a length the

699
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 7: time thing. You know, the more you do it and

700
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 7: the more you look at it, the more aware you

701
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 7: are those guys. And it has to be like a

702
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 7: like a different language.

703
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 6: You just have to be able to.

704
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 3: Ship behind going over pronunciations.

705
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: That makes sense, Yeah, muttering to myself with his with

706
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: his little book light because he doesn't want to turn

707
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: his airplane light on.

708
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 6: He's so nice.

709
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to book He's got the book lights

710
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: so he doesn't mess up anybody's sleep.

711
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, but yeah, so I.

712
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 4: Would also think it's hard for you, unlike me, to

713
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 4: watch the rest of the league on Sunday. I mean,

714
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 4: like you might watch Thursday night game, Monday night game,

715
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 4: but like a corner for the Bills is starting to

716
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 4: play a lot, I don't know that probably until game week.

717
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's no way I'll ever know as much about

718
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 7: the league as you will, not a chance, and as

719
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 7: many no matter how many, no matter how many years

720
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 7: I put into it, you know. So I mean, just

721
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 7: you know, I don't want to bore people forever with this,

722
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 7: but like so lasts last year Wednesday, this is the

723
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 7: time of year for this day. It is so last

724
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 7: year Wednesday was my day. Wednesday was my day to watch,

725
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 7: you know. And thank goodness for the forty five minute condensed.

726
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 6: Games on the NFL.

727
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 5: He so much easier than I probably.

728
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 7: Watched, like, yeah, eight hours of tape on Wednesday, just

729
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 7: the same opponent, rolling to watch three or.

730
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 6: Four games just always kind of clear my head and

731
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 6: then boom right.

732
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 7: Back to three or four games to the point, so

733
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 7: so hopefully get to the point and right, you know,

734
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 7: what they're trying to And then maybe Friday I would

735
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 7: actually like and I'm calling the games. I go along,

736
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 7: you know, you know, in my living room, and just

737
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 7: to make sure I've got the numbers correct. And then

738
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 7: maybe Friday like, so call bills.

739
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 5: Will you call it like you're the Bills announcer.

740
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 6: I would, Yes, they're playing, right, I don't care who

741
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 6: they're playing. I don't care. I don't care who makes

742
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 6: it tackling for the Bears, So I'm just looking at them.

743
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 7: And then and then, you know, I always feel like

744
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 7: on a on a Sunday game, I better be able

745
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 7: to be like maybe ninety percent ready for a call

746
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 7: by a Thursday, you know. And then the rest of

747
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 7: the time it's just kind of you know, tweaking and

748
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 7: trying to pick up notes and interesting anecdotes about guys

749
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 7: which you pick up along the way. But you know,

750
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 7: the number one job I have is to call the game,

751
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 7: you know, and then and and be right on the

752
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 7: numbers and be right on and be able to do

753
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 7: it without thinking, without consulting my charts and all that stuff,

754
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 7: memorize it obviously. Yeah, and that's that's the way. I

755
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 7: mean when I was doing high school games. Is the

756
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 7: difference in high school games was you had to memorize

757
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 7: both rosters every week.

758
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 5: On a team.

759
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 6: You're no, there's no team.

760
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 5: You're not wearing Steeler gear, You're not wearing methyl Park

761
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 5: gear or whatever.

762
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 6: But you know what I have to tell you, I

763
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 6: I love it.

764
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 7: I love memorizing rosters. I love watching tape. I love

765
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 7: watching football.

766
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 5: I also learn so much about the opponent.

767
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then and then and then you know, flush

768
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 6: it and move on.

769
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 4: And you know, my process is so much different. But

770
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 4: when I started digging into the stats and the tape,

771
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 4: and I mean, you learn so much more about.

772
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 5: The opponent by Wednesday Thursday. Yeah, And a lot of

773
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 5: the work is done for you if you dig up

774
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 5: the right stuff right right.

775
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 7: And by the way, that is, uh, that's invaluable stuff

776
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 7: for me. So you know, my job isn't necessarily to

777
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 7: have all that information, but certainly.

778
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 3: Some of it.

779
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 5: You know what, it paints a picture.

780
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 6: It paints a picture, so.

781
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 7: You know that's you know, I think traditionally your stats

782
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 7: have come out on a Thursday morning, right, Matt stats,

783
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 7: I don't remember.

784
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 2: But so for people, lady was up Wednesday night, almost

785
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: started chat last night.

786
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 7: By the way, Matt Williamson will give you what six

787
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 7: seven pages. It's the Bible of stats and statistics and

788
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 7: trends and other things. And that comes out by Thursday.

789
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 7: Another reason for me to have kind of a pretty

790
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 7: good grasp of a team by the time I go

791
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 7: to bed Wednesday night.

792
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 4: Sure, then Thursday, the average listener doesn't need to know

793
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 4: Darnell Mooney's yards per route run, but you at least

794
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 4: have a better picture of how they're using them.

795
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, How often are they in

796
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: twelve or thirteen personal right right?

797
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 6: Exactly all right?

798
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 7: And that may and that may send me down another

799
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 7: rabbit hole of stuff to look at. That'll that'll be

800
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 7: relevant to me. So so Matt's stats is like a

801
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 7: cornerstone of part of my research for forgetting the you know,

802
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 7: getting getting ready for uh for the broadcast. So those

803
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 7: are the things I'm trying to polish up on Thursday Friday,

804
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 7: and then maybe I'll watch one last I'll save like

805
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 7: one last game and just call it make sure, okay good,

806
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 7: I got them cold. On Friday finish up my charts

807
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 7: on Friday or Saturday, and then go call a football

808
00:35:58,719 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 7: game and.

809
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 6: Do it again. It's awesome.

810
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 5: And then I bet like the inactives come out and

811
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 5: you're like, I did so much work.

812
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: And that guy right first, the first thing he says

813
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: every Sunday or you know, Saturday, Monday, Thursday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

814
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: all the different days that Christmas, you know, all these

815
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: different days that we play games. Now, walks into the

816
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: booth before the games, looks right at me and dan

817
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: Quinland and goes, we got an actives yet, we got

818
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 2: an actives yet? You guys, see you you've seen any

819
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: inactives yet.

820
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 7: And then invariably somebody will be called up and you're like,

821
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 7: who that I know? The Ravens cold, Who the heck is?

822
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 7: You know, eighty four or whatever? So now now now

823
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 7: you're going over to the other booth and calling on

824
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 7: their gay Jerry Sandusky, by the way, great guy. No

825
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 7: you go, you go in, Hey, Jerry, who the heck

826
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 7: is eighty four? Oh well, we called him up a

827
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 7: couple of days ago. So there's always a couple of

828
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 7: last things like.

829
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 5: That, and you know something about the guy. Then at

830
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 5: least too, you know.

831
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, and there's something you know when the routine is

832
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 7: fun and we're we're so lucky to do what we

833
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 7: do and have the routine be fun, you know, the

834
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 7: routine be enjoyable. The routine get you excited. I mean,

835
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 7: if there's if there's a time, toughness to people all

836
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 7: the time. So I used to play pick up basketball

837
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 7: the Why three or four days a week and unfortunately

838
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 7: uber competitive. Same way with my golf game, you know.

839
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 7: So if I had a bad day at the Why,

840
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 7: I'd be you get off the court at one point thirty.

841
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 7: Maybe I'm driving to work at three o'clock, I'm still steamed.

842
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 7: I've got home, I've showered, I've packed my lunch, I'm

843
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 7: in the car, I'm still madame. And then halfway in,

844
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 7: I'm like, hey man, I gotta I got a ball

845
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 7: game today.

846
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 6: So all always good for the world, you know.

847
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 7: And that's the way I think, that's the way we

848
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 7: all feel about our jobs, right, and gets you excited

849
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 7: and gets you looking forward to it.

850
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: You gotta have a short memory, I mean, all these

851
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: guys right right, totally totally. Now, there are there are

852
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: absolutely times that this feels like work, But it's still

853
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 2: a lot of fun during those times that it feels

854
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: like work. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot better

855
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: than being in an office or you know, swinging a

856
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: hammer on a roof for the the you know, a

857
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 2: dozen other things up today. I will see it.

858
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 7: You know. One of my commutes is from our station,

859
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 7: uh you know, on the on the I guess they

860
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 7: call it the north Shore as opposed to the north side,

861
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 7: right across the river. And we walk over into the

862
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 7: ball game to do a pregame show, and every once

863
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 7: in a while a glance over those buildings downtown with

864
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 7: all those office buildings and think, I am so glad

865
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 7: I'm not going to one of those for work, and

866
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 7: I'm not.

867
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 5: I'm not sure a lot you'll love it.

868
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's just not right. It's not it's not

869
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 6: you know, somebody asked me, what what is?

870
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: What is?

871
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: You know?

872
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 7: An intern came in, what's one of the best things

873
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 7: about your job? And I said, I love it all

874
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 7: And he started to walk in. I said it one

875
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 7: more thing. No meetings, Like you know, I'm not. My

876
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 7: wife's in meetings.

877
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 5: All the time.

878
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 7: Her mind is my mind is I'm I'm I can't

879
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 7: even listen to a book on tape. I'm like, wait,

880
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 7: what did they just say? I gotta I gotta rewind it.

881
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 4: I think my only meeting of the week is with

882
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 4: with YouTube. Whenever we figure out what we're going to

883
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 4: talk about in the video room, exactly fifteen minutes of

884
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 4: oh they're outside zone games pretty good, or this wide

885
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 4: out needs double work.

886
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 6: Five minutes of busted chops, five minutes. Right, you didn't

887
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 6: give it away, we go exactly.

888
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: Not too shabby, Fellas, not too shabby, Kinger, you got

889
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 2: time for another segment? Sure? All right, we'll continue the

890
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: conversation with Rob king to close out this eleven o'clock hour.

891
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: We'll have Jalen Warren sit down with us for a

892
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: few minutes in the next hour as we continue to

893
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: bring you all the coverage from Day four of OTAs.

894
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: Here on the South Side, it's a special edition of

895
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.

896
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: At least is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

897
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: williamsonsha on your twenty four to seven home of the

898
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 1: Black and GOLDNR. Steelers Nation Radio.

899
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: The train is rolling on by on the South Side.

900
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 2: It's all happening down here at the upmc rooney Sports Complex,

901
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: week number two of OTA's practice number four of six

902
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: of the optional phase. Here, of course before next week

903
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 2: is capital two thirds two thirds of the way through.

904
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Speaker 2: Correct some math for you, As of course, next week

905
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 2: will be with a capital M mandatory for the three

906
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: practices of this particular phase of the off season. Rob

907
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: King hanging out with us for another segment. All right,

908
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: king Er, I gotta know this too, do you often?

909
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: How often?

910
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 7: Not?

911
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 5: Really?

912
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: Sometimes find yourself crossing name signals with all that you balance.

913
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 2: So for example, and I don't know, this is the

914
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: one that comes off on the top of my head.

915
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: I'm sure I could come up with a better one,

916
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 2: but you'll get what I'm saying here. O'Neil Cruz is

917
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: a big name Pittsburgh Pirate. There was a big name

918
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 2: wide receiver for the New York Giants for a while

919
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: called Victor Cruz. He ever find yourself like crossing your

920
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: signals of somebody's first name, similar names, different sports with

921
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: all those plates that you're juggling.

922
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 6: I think that I've had to bite my tongue with

923
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,479
Speaker 6: high Smith and now call MAlonzo heisch.

924
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: That's what I mean.

925
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 3: That's there is no calling Max Crosby Sidney Crosby right.

926
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 7: Right, Yes, for years I called Brian McCrae the outfiot

927
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 7: for the Mets, Hal McCrae.

928
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 6: Who was his dad.

929
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 3: That's understandable.

930
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 6: I I remember I was called right and I didn't

931
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 6: add to junior and that.

932
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 7: Very wady, so you know the and and there was

933
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 7: a coup when we were when I was first when

934
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 7: I first moved to Pittsburgh, we were doing Saint Louis

935
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 7: Show and Pittsburgh Show out of the same region, and

936
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 7: the shows are similarly named Midwest Sports Report and Pittsburgh

937
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 7: Sports Tonight or something like that. So once or twice

938
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 7: I would start to say the other show not Pittsburgh

939
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 7: or Midwest, but then confused, like the end of it,

940
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 7: you know, uh, Midwest Sports Tonight or Pittsburgh Sports Report

941
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 7: when it was Midwest Sports Report, Pittsburgh Sport Today. And

942
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 7: then the only one I ever remember saying once on

943
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 7: the air was Rams quarterback Cordell Stewart. I did say

944
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 7: that once on the air as opposed to Steelers quarterback.

945
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 7: But for the most part, I think this is compartmentalized.

946
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 7: This is different from bay, you know what I mean.

947
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 7: So I think, but some of those things are are

948
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 7: and you hope you've built up enough in the in

949
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 7: the bank of trust and goodwill so that the person

950
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 7: at home, Uh, that's one slide here, that's what that's

951
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 7: that's a fout town who slide here, That's right. So

952
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 7: so that's what you hope and not by he doesn't

953
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 7: know how mc cray from Brian mccraig. H. So you know,

954
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 7: you hope that you have some some grace from the

955
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 7: from the listeners, but you might get it doesn't make

956
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 7: me happy.

957
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 6: I don't I don't like doing it.

958
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 4: So you guys all remember Travis Fredrickson. He was a

959
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 4: perennial Pro Bowl center for Dallas, really really good player.

960
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 5: Everyone knew who he was.

961
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 4: And I'm doing a lot of national stuff in podcasts

962
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 4: and all the time, but no one else knew but me.

963
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 4: Was our backup center when I was a pit was

964
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 4: Rob Frederickson. Swell fella, not so good at football.

965
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 5: He was a walk on. No one knew who Rob

966
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 5: Frederckson was. So I would call Travis Rob all the time.

967
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 4: And I'm the only one that got the angle on

968
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 4: the planet unless you were on Pitt's team, which nobody was,

969
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 4: and so they're like, who.

970
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 5: Are you talking about? Talking about the Giants, Like I'm

971
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 5: talking about like the best center in the league. And

972
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 5: they're like, that's not that.

973
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: He was.

974
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 3: Speaking of that. Frank Ragnow retire weekends. It's kind of

975
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: I don't know if that caught them by surprise.

976
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 5: I was wondering about that too.

977
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 3: I don't think they draft up one though, did they?

978
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 5: They drafted two.

979
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 4: Interior linemen and Mahogany from Boston College last year fell

980
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 4: He should have been a third or fourth round pick.

981
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 4: He fell to the sixth because of injuries.

982
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 5: But he can.

983
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 4: He has a center background, so they have addressed interior line.

984
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 4: None of them are like rag Now though, top three guys,

985
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 4: so maybe they sort of saw it coming or.

986
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 5: Right, he's had some bad injuries.

987
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: It's almost a the Castro like retirement. Yeah, very similar.

988
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 4: Great example because okay there, they'll be okay there, but

989
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 4: you lost Zeitler, who was really good. I thought all

990
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 4: those into your guys were more Zeitler driven. We're just

991
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 4: gonna throw three guys at the right guard position and

992
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 4: go from there. Now it's two spots. Think it's a

993
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 4: little hairy, you know.

994
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: And again it happens, you know, after the draft.

995
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 4: Right, I mean, now there's there's no centers out there.

996
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 4: I mean you'll get one that's not close, but still there.

997
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 4: They're gonna be weaker there by a lot.

998
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 7: Right.

999
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 6: It is interesting the cycle of teams.

1000
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 7: And you know how again, uh, you know, people, I

1001
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 7: understand people want more from the Steelers. The Steelers have

1002
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 7: stated they want more from the Steelers. But how difficult

1003
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 7: it is to maintain your position at the top, you know.

1004
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 7: And it'll be interesting over the next couple of years.

1005
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 7: The Lions haven't gotten quite there yet, you know what

1006
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 7: I mean? And it is there is the windows starting

1007
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 7: to come down a little bit, you know what I mean.

1008
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 5: It's not going up.

1009
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 3: You start losing the attrition s.

1010
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 6: Can you maintain it?

1011
00:44:58,719 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 7: You know?

1012
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 4: Absolutely could win the super here, no one would say

1013
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 4: that's crazy talk. But you're picking at the end of

1014
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 4: the round. You're not having three first round picks anymore.

1015
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 4: After the Stafford trade, all of a sudden, you've had

1016
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 4: to pay Soul and Saint Brown.

1017
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 3: People start cherry picking. Some of your right agents.

1018
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 4: Both your coordinators are on other teams, as are a

1019
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 4: lot of other coaches like, you're losing more than you're

1020
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 4: gaining consistently, and the division's probably the hardest one to leap.

1021
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 3: Right, It's one of the things to me. I know,

1022
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 3: some Steelers fans scoff at the at the twenty one

1023
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 3: consecutive non losing seasons. That's the thing, right, It's really

1024
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: hard to stay at that level.

1025
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mentioned this off the air.

1026
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 4: I just happened to find the graphic and I threw

1027
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 4: it on Twitter and it got so much response, good

1028
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 4: and bad.

1029
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 5: Most regular season wins in the two thousands, the Steelers

1030
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 5: are second behind the Patriots, and a million people are like, well,

1031
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 5: tell me how many playoff wins I've had. They're fifth, right,

1032
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 5: you know it's pretty good. Yeah, for twenty five years.

1033
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: Into three Super Bowls and that you know, one games.

1034
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 5: And how many division titles and right, and I.

1035
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 7: Still, you know, I still bring up the Bills into

1036
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 7: the Bills windows not closed yet. But they went twenty

1037
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 7: years without a winning season, right, twenty years, twenty years

1038
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 7: of no hope and still follow that you're gonna say,

1039
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 7: followed by close but not not good enough.

1040
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: The Lions went thirty years without a playoff appearance.

1041
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 6: It's it's it's crazy thirty years to playoff win part

1042
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 6: and again and again.

1043
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 7: Uh, that's not to that's not to you know, make

1044
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 7: light of of the fans wanting more because the Steelers

1045
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 7: is said they want more. We understand that. I get that,

1046
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 7: but I but and and you know, you know you

1047
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 7: don't want to celebrate it. Okay, fine, the Steelers probably

1048
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 7: don't want to celebrate it either. They want to celebrate

1049
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 7: playoff wins and chance the division titles, and.

1050
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 6: That's why they want to celebrate. So I understand that.

1051
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 7: But just when you think about how almost impossible it

1052
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 7: is to do what they've done, it it's only been

1053
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 7: done one at a time in NFL history.

1054
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 4: Just to cite this, I mean, it's I just think

1055
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 4: it's really eye opening that since two thousand, the Patriots

1056
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 4: have two hundred and seventy regular season wins. But they're

1057
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 4: trending the wrong direction lately. They're having some downtimes now too.

1058
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 4: The Steelers are second at two point fifty five. Packers, Ravens, Eagles, Colts,

1059
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 4: those are the teams right behind their chiefs, gaining on

1060
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 4: everybody quick, but their second with two point fifty five.

1061
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 4: The Browns have one hundred and thirty nine, the Jags

1062
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 4: have one hundred and fifty three, the Lions, who are

1063
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 4: trending very much the right direction, one hundred and fifty eight,

1064
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 4: one hundred and sixty one for the Raiders.

1065
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 5: I mean they have one hundred more wins in these teams. Right,

1066
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 5: that's a lot more enjoyable Sundays.

1067
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you and you want to let's be clear about

1068
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 2: this too, Like you want to be the fan base

1069
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 2: the franchise that has the higher expectations, right, you want

1070
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: to be a Steelers fan looking at it and going, yeah,

1071
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: it's good, it's good compared to everybody else, but it's

1072
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 2: still good enough for me, right. I have to I

1073
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: joke about this all the time. My best friend, both

1074
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: his parents went to Ohio State. They're a huge Buckeye family, right,

1075
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: And as you can all imagine, until until they won

1076
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: the national championship, and even still kind of now, they

1077
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: all wanted Ryan Day's head on a platter. Not good enough,

1078
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: not good enough, not good of His record against everybody

1079
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 2: that wasn't Michigan was like fifty two and three, right,

1080
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: but it wasn't good.

1081
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 5: Enough, and losing the Michigan in the regular season.

1082
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 2: This year was get him out of here. They wanted

1083
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 2: they wanted them out of here in the whole time.

1084
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, I would hire Ryan Day as the WVU

1085
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: head coach.

1086
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 6: In five sets.

1087
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: But my expectations is a WU fan, I should my

1088
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: initials are WV. After all, I got to make that call, right.

1089
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: My expectations of a WU fan are not the same

1090
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 2: as an Ohio State fan, and like resource, no doubt,

1091
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: but I would rather have the Ohio State expectations of

1092
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: you know, we better beat Michigan and we better contend

1093
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: for a national championship every single year. You would rather

1094
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: have the Steelers expectation if we better be winning playoff

1095
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Speaker 2: games and contending every single year. But you got to

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Speaker 2: see that forest through the trees.

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Speaker 5: Here, a Patriots fan has complained the last two or

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Speaker 5: three years. Shut come on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, we don't run from it, We

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Speaker 2: run to it. To it, right, That's exactly right. That's

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Speaker 2: exactly why we're gonna let Rob king get back to it.

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Speaker 2: King Er, thank you very much for the time.

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Speaker 6: Always a pleasure, guys.

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Speaker 2: And hopefully we'll do this again out here in the

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Speaker 2: next morrow days. Yeah, let's do it. Are you absolutely

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Speaker 2: two hours in the books, one more hour to go.

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Speaker 2: In this final noon hour, we will be joined by

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Speaker 2: Steelers running back Jalen Warren after practice concludes. I want

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Speaker 2: to get into some more of those numbers that Matt

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Speaker 2: laid out here as well too. In our final hour,

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Speaker 2: Dale Lolly, Matt Williams, and I'm Wes Yuler. It's a

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Speaker 2: special edition of the Drive Live from OTAs on Steelers

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Speaker 2: Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.