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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 3: for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal, Indeed, we do many, many

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Speaker 1: things that are breaking this morning. We've got domestic news,

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Speaker 1: We've got international news. Taker Carlson releasing some comments, speaking

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Speaker 1: out for the first time after being canned over at

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Speaker 1: Fox News. We'll play those for you and react. We

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Speaker 1: also have a bit of deat sealing drama. Kevin McCarthy

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Speaker 1: able to survive the first test, was able to barely

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Speaker 1: cobble together enough votes to pass through his debt ceiling

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Speaker 1: proposal through the House. Still very unclear what happens next.

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Speaker 1: We have Zelenski and she actually speaking on the phone,

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Speaker 1: will tell you what we know about that. We've got

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Speaker 1: some new comments from Kamala Harris that you're going to enjoy,

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Speaker 1: and a new poll over in the Democratic primary race.

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Speaker 1: Someone actually decided to pull the actual candidates who are

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Speaker 1: in the race, which like no one has done yet.

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Speaker 1: You might be surprised by the results, and I think

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Speaker 1: the Biden Whitehouse might be surprised by the results. We've

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Speaker 1: got an escalation in the battle between Ronda Santis and

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Speaker 1: Disney Nate Silver is out at five point thirty eight.

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Speaker 1: Quite an extraordinary media move in a week of a

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Speaker 1: lot of wild media moves. I're excited to talk to

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Speaker 1: Anthony Fantanner. Now he's a YouTuber who he does a

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Speaker 1: lot of music reviews huge channel, and he's going to

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Speaker 1: talk to us about these new Ai Drake and the

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Speaker 1: weekend songs that have been coming out, which actually, in

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Speaker 3: Low key not bad.

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Speaker 2: Look a big music guy. So I'm excited to talk

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Speaker 2: to Anthony about it.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, mean well yeah, And I want to know

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Speaker 1: his analysis of whether he thought the songs were good,

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Speaker 1: because look, I'm not I like some Drake songs, but

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Speaker 4: A huge Drake fam. I actually thought this was like

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Speaker 4: better than many Drakes.

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Speaker 3: That's my thing is I'm not sophisticated enough.

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Speaker 2: I've barely listened to any at Also, I want to

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Speaker 2: how much of a thing actually, because to me, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a great conversation. I also

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Okay, So let's get to Tucker Carlson pretty crazy

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Speaker 2: dropped a new video at eighth one Eastern Standard time yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 5: Notice, when you take a little time off is how

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Speaker 5: unbelievably stupid most of the debates you see on television are.

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Speaker 5: They're completely irrelevant, they mean nothing. In five years, we

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Speaker 5: won't even remember that we had them, trust me as

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Speaker 5: someone who's participated. And yet, at the same time, and

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Speaker 5: at all. War, civil liberties, emerging science, demographic change, corporate power,

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Speaker 5: Debates like that are not permitted in American media, Both

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Speaker 5: like a one party state. That's a depressing realization, but

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Speaker 5: it's not permanent. Our current orthodoxies won't last. They're brain dead,

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Speaker 5: nobody actually believes them. Hardly anyone's life is improved by them.

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Speaker 5: This moment is too inherently ridiculous to continue, and so

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Speaker 5: it won't. The people in charge know this. That's why

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Speaker 5: the hysterical and aggressive. They're afraid. They've given up persuasion.

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Speaker 5: They're resorting to force, but it won't work. When honest

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Speaker 5: people say what's true, calmly and without embarrassment, they become powerful.

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Speaker 5: At the same time, the liars who've been trying to

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Speaker 5: silence them shrink and they become weaker. That's the iron

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Speaker 3: True things prevail.

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Speaker 5: Where can you still find Americans saying true things? There

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Speaker 5: aren't many places left, but there are some, and that's enough.

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Speaker 5: As long as you can hear the words, there is hope.

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Speaker 3: See you soon. A couple of big takeaways there.

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Speaker 2: I think number one at the end I actually thought

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Speaker 2: you can tell truth that could be a hint at

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Speaker 2: he will we will even be allowed to see the

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Speaker 2: it too. From the content alone before before you jump in, Crystal, yeah,

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Speaker 2: not mattered to our future. I would hope that that

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Speaker 2: It was like some producers or whatever idea that you're

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Speaker 1: Apparently in there is where you know he called probably

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Speaker 1: He's implicated in this this sex discrimination lawsuit from habby

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Speaker 1: Abby Grosberg that counterpoints covered yesterday. She claims she's got

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Speaker 1: He may be implicated in the Smartmatic lawsuit as well.

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Speaker 1: All the texts that came out publicly during the dominion

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Speaker 2: I'm still not exactly sure why they would fire him

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Speaker 3: But and apparently he wanted those texts too.

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Speaker 1: I think he got he got arrogant, and they felt

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Speaker 4: You know, this isn't the first time that they've fired

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Speaker 1: find of course, he's going to find an audience. Will

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Speaker 4: Doubtful.

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Speaker 2: I actually don't know about that, because we have seen

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Speaker 2: already is a massive crash Fox actually in the eight

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Speaker 2: It actually does show me too, which is they were

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Speaker 3: It took a couple of.

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Speaker 2: Years for Tucker, but they had Hannity to come in

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Speaker 3: I have to be honest.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just was looking at this new report

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Speaker 3: for this bill, then I have no authority to negotiate

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Speaker 3: with President Biden, and then we will have no seat

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Speaker 3: at the table and they're going to ram it down

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Speaker 3: our throats.

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Speaker 2: So the House basically said, all right, well, we're going

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Speaker 2: to try and keep our power.

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Speaker 3: We have the majority in this chamber.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the only places that we can still

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Speaker 2: exercise power and extract at least some concessions should the

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Speaker 2: time come. The thing is, too, is that what this

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Speaker 2: does is it changes the negotiation dynamic. President Biden yesterday

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Speaker 2: at the White House Joint Press Conference in the Rose

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Speaker 2: Garden said I'm not going to negotiate with Kevin McCarthy

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Speaker 2: about the debt limit. It's like, okay, well, I mean

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Speaker 2: you could say that it's April twenty seventh, but let's

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Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen in terms of

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Speaker 2: the reported amount of tax revenue. When the government will

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Speaker 2: actually reach the debt limit. We don't know the exact date,

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Speaker 2: but it is likely to come sometime in July.

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Speaker 3: We don't know in July. Originally some people thought it

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Speaker 3: might come.

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Speaker 2: In June because tax revenue was flat, but a lot

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Speaker 2: of people pay their taxes late, so now that they did,

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Speaker 2: we will likely push it to sometime more squarely in July.

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Speaker 3: So look, I think there will be.

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Speaker 2: A lot of standoff and a lot of posturing now

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Speaker 2: that this is over. Who knows around Let's say, what

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Speaker 2: do you want to say three weeks before something like that.

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Speaker 3: Then things will start to get interesting. That's when the

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Speaker 3: Senate might get involved.

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Speaker 2: They might try and pass an amend what I've previously

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Speaker 2: spoken about, a revenue vehicle, to try and add their

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Speaker 2: own version of the debt ceiling.

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Speaker 3: We could have McConnell versus McCarthy stuff.

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Speaker 2: We could have conferences between the Senate GOP and the

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Speaker 2: House GOP in terms of what they're willing to negotiate,

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Speaker 2: and then they present a uni fied plan to President

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Speaker 2: Biden's about this is like step one, and we still

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Speaker 2: have like nineteen store steps.

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Speaker 1: And nobody knows what those nobody steps are, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and step nineteen might be like literally off a cliff

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Speaker 1: for the entire country and the world and whatever. Even

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Speaker 1: though this particular bill is not going to be what

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Speaker 1: comes to pass in terms of, you know, the cuts

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Speaker 1: that it entails and the specifics of it, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that there wasn't political risk and there isn't political

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Speaker 1: risk for the Republicans who voted for it, because you

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Speaker 1: can guarantee Democrats are already going through with a fine

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Speaker 1: tooth comb and cutting ads against all of the members.

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Speaker 4: That voted for it.

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Speaker 1: Of like, here's what they did to veterans benefits, here's

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Speaker 1: what they did to X Y or Z program that

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Speaker 1: brings jobs that are important to this district. So you

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Speaker 1: can already see in the initial phases here how this

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Speaker 1: is potentially really a very bad situation for Republicans politically.

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Speaker 1: And also here's the other thing. In twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: doming Joe Biden's the nominee. They want to be able

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Speaker 1: to run against him as like people aren't happy about the.

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Speaker 4: Economy, inflation, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: You own this, and so we're running against you on

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Speaker 1: the economy. If they're responsible for pushing the country off

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Speaker 1: of a cliff, you no longer can just pin the

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Speaker 1: economic blame on Joe Biden. Now things are a lot muddier.

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Speaker 1: They're a lot messier, and in fact, you may lose

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Speaker 1: out that debate altogether. People may think that, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: know what, you guys aren't good stewards of the economy,

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Speaker 1: and we don't really trust you on this issue. And

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Speaker 1: you know, we've got other issues with you on abortion

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Speaker 1: and other things as well.

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Speaker 4: So you know, I think this is a.

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Speaker 1: Potentially number one, I mean, the most important thing on

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Speaker 1: the On the content like this could be extremely damaging

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Speaker 1: to an economy that's already on very shaky ground, and politically,

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Speaker 1: it could also be a disaster for Republicans. They are

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Speaker 1: really playing with fire here, even as they're able to

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Speaker 1: get their initial first pass through.

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Speaker 2: Well, we do know from the twenty and eleven and

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Speaker 2: twenty thirteen debt ceiling five if they did come back

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Speaker 2: to hurt their Republicans, specifically the twenty thirteen government shutdown

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Speaker 2: for John Bayner. They tried very hard try and get

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Speaker 2: Obama to take the blame for it, and it certainly

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Speaker 2: was the political boomerang, and it ultimately led to the

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Speaker 2: end of the Bayner speakership. So recent history not that

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Speaker 2: like it was literally ten years ago. We know that

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Speaker 2: they tried this before and it didn't work. Very similar tactics.

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Speaker 2: We'll see as to where they come. The real problem,

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Speaker 2: I think is the tight level, the tight amount of

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Speaker 2: votes that he has in the caucus, and that just

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Speaker 2: gives a tremendous amount of power to people who you know,

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Speaker 2: may not even the mainstream Republican may not agree with,

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Speaker 2: but they believe what they believe, and they're going to

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Speaker 2: extract their pound of flesh.

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Speaker 4: Well that's true.

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Speaker 1: And if it does come to a bill where there

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Speaker 1: are are real stakes, where it is going to be

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Speaker 1: the real thing. You know, he barely was able to

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Speaker 1: get this messaging bill through, I mean it only he

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Speaker 1: could only afford to lose one more member, many of

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Speaker 1: whom were kind of on the fence. So anyway, I mean,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, the White House should allow them to

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Speaker 1: you know, string them mount and allow them to play

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Speaker 1: this little game, and then they should come in over

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Speaker 1: the top and just you know, mint the coin or

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Speaker 1: do something one are the workarounds they're not going to

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Speaker 1: do it so that this isn't going to happen. That's

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Speaker 1: my opinion of what direction they should go in here.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I have I have no idea how

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Speaker 4: this is going to be resolved, no clue.

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Speaker 3: When they don't, I don't think you will do that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think such an institutionalist is an institutionalist.

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Speaker 2: We have the Budget Control Act of twenty eleven. People

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Speaker 2: should go look it up if they're interested, which outlines

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Speaker 2: the way that sequestration caps and all that stuff will work.

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Speaker 2: Almost everybody I've spoken to says that, look, default, if

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Speaker 2: it ends the same way, just because all the incentives

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Speaker 2: go the same way, it'll probably end sometime in there.

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Speaker 3: But look, we have no clue. They really could Look,

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Speaker 3: they could shoot the hostage and it could be like

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Speaker 3: an economic catastrophe, and then who's going to blink first?

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Speaker 3: Who nobody knows? All right, right, let's talk about Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: An extraordinary phone call happened yesterday President Shishingping and Zelenski

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Speaker 2: of Ukraine speaking on the phone for the first time

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Speaker 2: for over an hour. Extraordinary phone call let's go to

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Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. Very good analysis

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Speaker 2: from the Financial Times. They say that Shishingping quote urged

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Speaker 2: his Ukrainian counterpoint. This is according to the readout from

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Speaker 2: the Chinese government to negotiate with Moscow. The first conversation

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Speaker 2: between the leaders since the invasion. In the hour long

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Speaker 2: phone call, Ukraine's president said it was quote long and meaningful,

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Speaker 2: and he said it would send a special representative to

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Speaker 2: all parties. This is Shishingping to seek a political settlement

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Speaker 2: of the war, according to this Chinese Foreign Ministry statement.

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Speaker 3: The reason why this is so important is it comes

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Speaker 3: on the.

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Speaker 2: Heels crystal of the peace, a deal that had already

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Speaker 2: been released by the Chinese government. The US government, of course,

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Speaker 2: already shot that down. President Zelenski though, took it very seriously.

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Speaker 2: He understands that they have tremendous economic ties and also

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Speaker 2: that you know, China kind of represents what I would

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Speaker 2: say is the other view of the Ukraine conflict outside

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Speaker 2: of the West, between Beijing, New Delhi and you know,

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Speaker 2: even in South Korea, many of these other countries, in

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Speaker 2: terms of how they look at the conflict, they look

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Speaker 2: at it very much as look, look this is great power.

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Speaker 3: We're not saying this is just, but this not a core.

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Speaker 2: National interest, and we want to bring this thing to

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Speaker 2: an end as soon as possible. The thing is, though,

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Speaker 2: is that if you do look at the readout by

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Speaker 2: Zelenski's office, it avoids any interest in negotiation and it

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Speaker 2: says quote expresses hope for China's active participation in efforts

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Speaker 2: to restore police but has dismissed the peace plan put

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Speaker 2: forward by China in February and saying that there can

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Speaker 2: be no peace without a restoration to nineteen ninety one borders.

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Speaker 2: So that includes not only CRIMEA, but it also includes

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Speaker 2: all the territory that Russia has taken.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that is it the way that a

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Speaker 3: just peace would be, but I am only saying.

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Speaker 2: That, let's be realistic possibly about where we may end

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Speaker 2: up before hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people are

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Speaker 2: dead and you end up in a similar situation.

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Speaker 3: Anyways.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So there were a couple of other things I

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Speaker 1: thought we're noteworthy. First of all, the US admitted that

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Speaker 1: we didn't know this call was going to happen, So

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Speaker 1: once again Ukrainian's keeping us in the dark, even though

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Speaker 1: we are, you know, backstopping this whole thing.

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Speaker 3: Might be the only time I'd say that's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I liked the way they had this sort

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Speaker 1: of like cope of like, although we're really glad it happened,

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Speaker 1: want the Chinese to hear the ukraining point of view.

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Speaker 1: It's like, are you really glad it happened? Because previously

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Speaker 1: you were saying that if China was able to negotiate

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Speaker 1: a ceasefire, you would be opposed to it and potentially

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Speaker 1: try to block it. So I thought that was noteworthy.

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Speaker 1: The other question is why now, Because Lenski's been seeking

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Speaker 1: at least a call and preferably a visit from she

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Speaker 1: for some time. This has been floating out here. We've

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Speaker 1: been talking about it for a little while. So what

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Speaker 1: happened right now that led to this phone call actually occurring?

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Speaker 1: Put this next piece up on the screen. So it

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Speaker 1: comes in the wake of this absolutely you know, fury

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Speaker 1: from Europe, which is pretty understandable from some of these countries. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: after a Chinese diplomat basically suggested that some of the

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Speaker 1: ex Soviet states were fake the word here they use

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Speaker 1: is not sovereign, and so there were comments made effectively

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Speaker 1: questioning whether the post Soviet states really had international standing

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Speaker 1: by law, and understanda believe the post Soviet states were like,

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Speaker 1: what the hell are you saying? And so it's right

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Speaker 1: after this when Europe is freaking out over these comments

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Speaker 1: that were made to a French journalist. I believe, yes

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Speaker 1: that you know the phone call. Actually, that's part of why.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was important, just to be like, listen,

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Speaker 3: is this real?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, because really, China is really shot themselves

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Speaker 2: in the foot with this one saying quote some ex

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Speaker 2: Soviet Union countries by saying that don't have effective status

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Speaker 2: under international law. It's also not some guys, really the

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Speaker 2: US or the Chinese ambassador to France. That is as listen,

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Speaker 2: you know, if you ever spent any time in those

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Speaker 2: countries as I have, probably nobody hates the Russians more

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Speaker 2: than people like the Latvians.

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Speaker 3: And these Stonians. And there is nothing you could have

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Speaker 3: said that would have pissed them off more than that.

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Speaker 1: So well, I mean you basically call them fake country, right,

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Speaker 1: So you know, if you're a patriot in those countries,

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna feel some sort of way about that.

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Speaker 3: You certainly should. She fought for independence for like years

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Speaker 3: and your you know, grandparents and other people were killed

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Speaker 3: and sent to a gulag. I get it.

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Speaker 2: So the point is that the Chinese may have just

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Speaker 2: taken the phone call to appease the Europeans, because, as

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Speaker 2: we know, Emanuel Macron went over to Beijing. One of

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Speaker 2: the main things he was trying to do was get

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Speaker 2: China to engage in some sort of peace negotiation on

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Speaker 2: the side of Moscow to pressure them to end the war.

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Speaker 2: We know that the Germans were over there, the foreign Minister,

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Speaker 2: the EU president a commissioner was over there as well.

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Speaker 2: They have been heavily pressuring Beijing to take the phone call.

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Speaker 2: Beijing kind of been holding out, probably as a favor

660
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Speaker 2: more to Moscow. They might have just buckled here just

661
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Speaker 2: to appease the Europeans, just be like, look, yeah, we

662
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Speaker 2: took it serious. Also, I always want to note this

663
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Speaker 2: when it has an hour long phone call, that's really

664
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Speaker 2: only a half hour because it has to get translated

665
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Speaker 2: two ways.

666
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Speaker 3: You know, people always forget.

667
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Speaker 2: That, But it's extremely tedious actually watching this because like

668
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Speaker 2: a guy like Zelenski as Leon as guy.

669
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Speaker 3: Speaks speaks Russian.

670
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Speaker 2: But I don't know actually if any Chinese Foreign ministry

671
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Speaker 2: officials speaks Ukrainian. But in some cases it can be

672
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Speaker 2: like Ukrainian to Russian to China ease, and then it

673
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Speaker 2: can come back, you know, on the phone call whenever

674
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Speaker 2: these people speak, and usually they're reading from prepared statements,

675
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Speaker 2: so it's not as serendipitous, I think as a lot

676
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Speaker 2: of people think, you know, every time they say, oh,

677
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Speaker 2: President Biden had a two hour long phone call, like

678
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Speaker 2: so it was a one hour long phone call.

679
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, half of his translation.

680
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is still one hour.

681
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Speaker 1: You know, it's a significant, lengthy ish conversation here. But

682
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Speaker 1: I think you're exactly right, and you know, China really

683
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Speaker 1: wants to be seen. They want to maintain, uh somewhat

684
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Speaker 1: of an impression of neutrality within this conflict, and so

685
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Speaker 1: when this Chinese diplomat made these comments, I think it

686
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Speaker 1: made them feel like, all right, we're appearing a bit

687
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Speaker 1: too much, too favorable towards Russia, to partisan on their side,

688
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Speaker 1: and so this was the way to try to clean

689
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Speaker 1: it up and try to reclaim some sense of neutrality,

690
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Speaker 1: even though you know, the US public doesn't see China

691
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Speaker 1: as a neutral actor, but I think a lot of

692
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Speaker 1: other folks that are on the world do, and Selenski

693
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Speaker 1: himself has been interested in getting them involved in trying

694
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Speaker 1: to resolve this conflict.

695
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Speaker 4: So that's always important to notice it.

696
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 3: Yes, so just keep all of that in mind as

697
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Speaker 3: it goes.

698
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Speaker 2: But as as an act, it is still extraordinary. All diplomacy,

699
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Speaker 2: in my opinion, is good. I hope that these people

700
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Speaker 2: continue to talk. They're definitely getting a very different view.

701
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Speaker 2: It also does show, you know, the Ukrainians, I've met

702
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: some of them here in Washington, I think some of

703
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: the most obnoxious people on earth. Like if you were

704
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Speaker 2: one of those who says anything contrary to whatever their

705
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: Foreign ministry things, they call you a Russian propagandist. But clearly,

706
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: you know, when the Chinese come out with a peace plan,

707
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: if you said that here in DC, as we have,

708
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: we've said something similar, oh smeared, you know, horrific, canny

709
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: out beyond the pale. The Chinese say it, and Zelenski

710
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: hops on the phone. Because outside of the Western context,

711
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: these people are realists.

712
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: They're dying. Not only that they dying, and we'll show

713
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: you how much they are dying. They're running out of AMMO.

714
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: Their economy has been devastated. And also they know how

715
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Speaker 2: the real world works and that, you know, beyond the

716
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Speaker 2: posturing for a bunch of people in d C spec

717
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Speaker 2: typically my neighborhood, who have more Ukrainian flags and American flags,

718
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: that in reality is going to end one way, and

719
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: they want to try and get to that point.

720
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Speaker 3: For us, they need us in a raw, raw modes.

721
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: We keep giving them as many bullets as possible, but

722
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: for the rest of the world, they're singing a very

723
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Speaker 2: different tune.

724
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Speaker 1: Look, they don't have the luxury of just putting up

725
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Speaker 1: like a flag in solidarity.

726
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 4: And calling it a day.

727
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Speaker 1: They're living with the reality of the horrors of war,

728
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: and they're not stupid. They see the same assessments that

729
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, we were able to see thanks to Lease

730
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: the show basically like this is very likely headed to

731
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: a grinding, brutal stalemate. So any chance to you know,

732
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Speaker 1: improve position, achieve some potential talks. I mean, this is

733
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Speaker 1: beneficial for the world. It's beneficial for the Ukrainians, it's

734
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Speaker 1: beneficial certainly for the US in my opinion, because this

735
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Speaker 1: is I mean, war is a horror, This is a

736
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Speaker 1: brutal toll that has been taken on this country and

737
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Speaker 1: on this people, and so so yeah, I agree with

738
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Speaker 1: you that you know, any potential talks, any discussion here,

739
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: any diplomatic openings whatsoever, are to be cheered and encouraged.

740
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Speaker 2: At the same time, as I just referenced, there has

741
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Speaker 2: been a brand new information out of those leaked documents

742
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Speaker 2: that the Washington Post has only now come around to

743
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: telling us. Really interesting is in that crystal First. You know,

744
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: we got to make sure that we know the identity

745
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: of the leaker weeks ago, and we hunt first. Yeah,

746
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: witch hunt first, and then the news second. Let's put

747
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: that aside. They're the only ones with the docks. As

748
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: I've said, I'm long waiting for these docks. If you

749
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Speaker 2: have them, please send them so that I won't write

750
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: them with stupid headlines like this one, because they really

751
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Speaker 2: bury the lead. In the trove of leaked documents, the

752
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Speaker 2: US government estimates between one hundred and twenty four thousand

753
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: and one hundred and thirty one thousand Ukrainian soldiers have

754
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Speaker 2: been killed or wounded since the start of the invasion.

755
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: That is five times what Kiev has publicly disclosed. I'm

756
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 2: not saying look, in this particular case, I understand why

757
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: Kiev lied.

758
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Speaker 3: To the world.

759
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Speaker 2: I probably would too, sever devastating losses, and you don't necessarily,

760
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: of course, want the enemy to know how badly you're doing.

761
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: Russia also has suffered tens of thousands of casual hundreds

762
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Speaker 2: of thousands possibly of casualties.

763
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Speaker 3: Nobody knows what the actual figure is. But what do

764
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Speaker 3: we learn from that?

765
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Speaker 2: A it's not even close to the number that not

766
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: only the Kiev government has been giving us, but the

767
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: American Kiev propagandists in Washington. They're saying, look at how

768
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: few the losses are the ratios they're doing so well well.

769
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: This entire Washington Post article is using the PEG of

770
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Speaker 2: these leaked documents to underscore how difficult the Ukrainians are

771
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Speaker 2: having a time to draft men between the ages of

772
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Speaker 2: eighteen and sixty into the country and having reinforcements. They're

773
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: talking specifically about how reinforcements our gate are getting killed

774
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Speaker 2: or being wounded on the front line in such a

775
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: fast turnaround that they're having difficulty replacing them with fresh recruits.

776
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: And on top of that, who's going to replace the

777
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: recruits themselves who get wounded or who get killed. In

778
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: some cases, they're talking about drafting and bringing people in

779
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: the militaryre at fifty two to fifty five or whatever

780
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: years old. Nobody does this unlit unless the stakes are existential.

781
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: You know, you can go back and think about the Virginia,

782
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: you know, the last stand of the Confederate Army and

783
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: when they're you know, anybody who's basically an able bodied man

784
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 2: I think at age was fifteen to sixty five or

785
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 2: whatever was thrown into the military.

786
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was crazy, but World War One very similar.

787
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: I've actually personally visited the grave sites of fifteen sixteen

788
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: year olds who were killed in the British Army in France.

789
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: The point is is that, you know, whenever things get

790
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 2: really existential, that's whenever you see anyone the very young

791
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: and the very old begin to fight and die in

792
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: the in the conflict. And it also does show you

793
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: and really raises questions around the Spring Offensive. Now, I

794
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: think we've all learned enough lessons about predicting how the

795
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: Spring offensive can go.

796
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 3: Who doos did very well last time.

797
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: It blew all apart all expectations. Clearly, you know, Bachmutz

798
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: still has not fallen.

799
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Speaker 3: They're throwing an extraordinary amount of man and materiel. But

800
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: you can understumate the toll.

801
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 6: You know.

802
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: That's like saying, you know, that's like saying in nineteen fifteen,

803
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 2: it's like, well the line is held in Verdun. I'm like, yeah,

804
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: but you know, one hundred and fifty thousand.

805
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 3: People are dead, So is it a victory or not? Yeah,

806
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 3: I don't know.

807
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: You know, there were some extraordinary details in this report.

808
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: You know, we previously talked about how Russia had just

809
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: passed a new law to make it more difficult to

810
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: avoid the draft there with these like e draft notices

811
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: that you know, you're assumed to have been served with

812
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: your draft notice and you were barred from leaving the country,

813
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: and if you don't show up then you're subject to

814
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: all sorts of you know, you can't take down a

815
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: low and you basically can't do any banking. Your life

816
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: is sort of shut down if you don't report to

817
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: a draft office. And you see some measures being taken

818
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: in Ukraine as well, and they have reporting in this

819
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: piece about the methods that men military age men are

820
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: taking in order to try to avoid fighting. In some instances,

821
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: there are others who are willingly signing up, just as

822
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: there are in Russia others who are willingly signing up

823
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: and want to be involved in this war. So they

824
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: that previously officials could only deliver draft papers to people's homes.

825
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: Some avoided the notices by staying at different addresses than

826
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: where they are officially registered. New rules have widened the

827
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Speaker 1: scope places where men can be stopped and questioned about

828
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: their draft status. It's also important to keep in mind

829
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: that they point out here martial law has been in

830
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: place in Ukraine since February twenty two, twenty twenty two,

831
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Speaker 1: and it bars most men between ages eighteen and sixty

832
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,959
Speaker 1: from leaving the country at all. Under mobilization rules, any

833
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: man in that range can theoretically be called to fight.

834
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: Exceptions are made, including for students, parents with three or

835
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Speaker 1: more children under eighteen, caretakers of disabled dependence and those

836
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: dem medically unfit, among others.

837
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Speaker 4: So I think this just you know.

838
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Speaker 1: It underscores the horse and the human toll and the

839
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Speaker 1: number of people who are being fed into a meat

840
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Speaker 1: grinder here. And there's nothing to say about it other

841
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: than it's awful.

842
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: It's awful, it certainly is, and also big development here

843
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 2: in terms of our politics. Governor Ron DeSantis giving an

844
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: interview while he was abroad in Tokyo to nik let's

845
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Speaker 2: go and put this up there on the screen with

846
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: a direct quote about what he said around Ukraine. Quote

847
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: the Europeans really need to do more on Ukraine. I mean,

848
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: this is their continent. The US has provided for security

849
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 2: for them, and yes, Poland there's some stuff that they

850
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,479
Speaker 2: are doing and that should be appreciated. But Germany they're

851
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 2: not doing anything. Let's go to the next one there.

852
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: Please quote. You don't want to end up like in

853
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: a Battle of Verdune situation where you must have just

854
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: had mass casualties, mass expense, and end up with a stalemate.

855
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 2: He said, it's in everybody's interest to try and get

856
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: to a place where we can have a cease fire.

857
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 2: So look, it's at least a positive comment, and I

858
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: think it also should be taken a note of this

859
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 2: at this point, no matter who wins the GOP nomination,

860
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 2: Let's be honest, it's only gonna be two people. It's

861
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 2: either gonna be Trump or it's gonna be Ron DeSantis.

862
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 2: They now have a very different view on Ukraine than

863
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 2: President Joe Biden.

864
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: And Ukraine.

865
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Speaker 2: This is proof is going to be a huge dividing

866
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Speaker 2: line between the two. I also want to say this,

867
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Speaker 2: does the Santis really mean it? I don't know, I mean.

868
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 4: Does Trump really mean and I don't know does Trump.

869
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 3: Really mean it? I don't know.

870
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Speaker 2: I mean it's one of those where look with Trump,

871
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Speaker 2: I mean, the guy had John Bolton in office with DeSantis,

872
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: he had a very different tune when he was in Congress.

873
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 3: He tells Tucker one thing, the next thing.

874
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: You know, he's singing the Neo Kon tune in his

875
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: Peers Morgan interview, where is he?

876
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Speaker 6: You know?

877
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: Is he going to answer more to his billionaire donor

878
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: buddies who were super pissed at him for his previous

879
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: comments on Ukraine. I view him very much as a

880
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: very politically calculated person. Trump, I think isn't politically calculated.

881
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 2: I think he just doesn't know what he thinks about anything.

882
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 4: He's just like a very in the moment you're at player, Yeah.

883
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Speaker 2: You're so listen on both of them, who the hell knows?

884
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 2: But on rhetoric alone, and we have no idea on

885
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: substance until we can't judge it on its face, it

886
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 2: will be a dividing line in twenty twenty four. Yeah,

887
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: and I think that's important. I think it's important for

888
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 2: people to get a choice.

889
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right.

890
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: And I mean the question is always like how much

891
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: is foreign policy? You got a factor into people's votes.

892
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: The conflict, I think for a lot of people, feels

893
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: very distant right now, even though you know it looms

894
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: over everything. And obviously we cover it a lot here

895
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: because it is really important and possibly even existential. But

896
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Speaker 1: I think the other thing you can see from these

897
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Speaker 1: comments is it won't be as much of a dividing

898
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: line in the Republican primary as it might have been.

899
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: Trump has moved on to focus on other ways of

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00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: attagging DeSantis on social Security, Medicare, Disney, which we're going

901
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: to talk about later. And you know his theorizing that

902
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis is a groomer.

903
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: See yes, yeah, I know, in terms of what the

904
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: fights between them are, but look on the politics on

905
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Speaker 3: the substance alone.

906
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Speaker 2: There's no getting around it. This is a big, big deal.

907
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: How it will actually manifest Who the hell knows?

908
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, you guys are going to enjoy this

909
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Speaker 1: a lot. Our eloquent vice president had some thoughts on

910
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: the moment and the time and the moment that.

911
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Speaker 4: We wanted to share with all of you. Take a listen.

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Speaker 7: So I think it's very important, as you have heard

913
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Speaker 7: from so many incredible leaders for us at every moment

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Speaker 7: in time, and certainly this one, to see the moment

915
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Speaker 7: in time in which we exist and are present, and

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Speaker 7: to be able to contextualize it, to understand where we

917
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 7: exist in the history and in the moment as it

918
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Speaker 7: relates not only to the past but the future.

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Speaker 4: What does that mean?

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00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: Where does she come up with this? Like where is

921
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 3: this coming from? Is it a speech writer?

922
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Speaker 2: You know, like what's happening inside your brain that makes

923
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: you think that this is eloquent or impactful?

924
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 4: It's I mean, Marshall nailed it.

925
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Speaker 1: I always have to go to Marshall's analysis, which is

926
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Speaker 1: like she's trying so hard to like be profound, but

927
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Speaker 1: has just nothing really to say. So it ends up

928
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Speaker 1: like this And this is far from the first style.

929
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Speaker 1: Is that anyone there are you know, anyone can have

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Speaker 1: an instance where there's sort of rambles going on in

931
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: nonsense words. But this happens all the time, this one

932
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: in front of the cameras It's like, what are you

933
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: even saying right now? The word salad is absolutely astonishing.

934
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Speaker 1: We're not the only ones who have noted that she

935
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Speaker 1: is not the most effective politician, just in terms of

936
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Speaker 1: her sheer talent. The White House and their Biden reelect

937
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: team is apparently very concerned about the fact that she

938
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Speaker 1: is in the number two slot. Let's put this up

939
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Speaker 1: on the screen from Axios. They say, this is from

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Speaker 1: Alex Thompson, who has just moved over to Axios as

941
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Speaker 1: national political correspondent. With polls showing VP Harris as a

942
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: drag on the twenty twenty four ticket, Anita Dunn and

943
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: other West wing aids are moving to elevate her issues

944
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Speaker 1: and schedule.

945
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Speaker 4: They also tell.

946
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Speaker 1: A story here about how she left Cape Bettingfield sort

947
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: of simmering for two weeks after it came out that

948
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Speaker 1: Bettingfield had insulted her in some sort of way. Within

949
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: the piece, they talk about how Harris's numbers are even

950
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: worse than Biden's. Her approval is in the high thirties,

951
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: Biden's is at least in the low forties.

952
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Speaker 4: Neither is great.

953
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: Officials believe that could make her a drag on the ticket.

954
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: There's zero chance Biden will replace her, but because doing

955
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Speaker 1: so would be an admission that he boshed the most

956
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: important decision he made as a candidate. So the White

957
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: House and campaign team are working to give Harris a boost,

958
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: which her allies.

959
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 4: Feel is long overdue. Good luck with that.

960
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: Biden's campaign announcement video future shot after shadow the President

961
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Speaker 1: and Harris together, as well as her meeting solo with voters.

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Speaker 1: She's also featured prominently with Biden on the homepage of

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Speaker 1: Biden's revamped website.

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Speaker 4: Anita Dunn, who.

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Speaker 1: They describe as one of the most powerful West wing

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Speaker 1: officials I think that's correct, recently directed the White House

967
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Speaker 1: political and engagement teams to help schedule events with Harris

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Speaker 1: promoting popular democratic causes such as infrastructure spending and abortion rights. Listen,

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00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: they realize that when you have a president who Sager's

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00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: going to get into some of the details here about

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Speaker 1: Biden's age and how this fits into the historical picture

972
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: when the actuarial tables don't look too hot for him

973
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: in terms of finishing his next term, and his own

974
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Speaker 1: White House Press secretary can't answer give a straight an

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Speaker 1: about whether or not he even intends to finish his

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Speaker 1: next term. People are going to be looking at the

977
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Speaker 1: vice president more closely, and they should be than even

978
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: they normally would, and really evaluating is can this person?

979
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Speaker 1: Should this person really be a heartbeat away from the

980
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: presidency When you've got the oldest president in history and

981
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Speaker 1: they're aware that there's.

982
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Speaker 3: A real issue for that, it's going to be a

983
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Speaker 3: big problem.

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Speaker 2: I am. I'm doing my monologue just on all the

985
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 2: statistics on Biden's This is very morbid, and I apologize,

986
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: but look, he wants to be reality on earth, so

987
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 2: we have we owe it at least somebody does to

988
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: talk about chance of death, chance of developing dementia, chance

989
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 2: of serious illness.

990
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 3: While in office.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the main thing I came away with in

992
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 2: doing my research for my monologue was that the difference

993
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: between seventies and eighties is so substantial that we really

994
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: have difficulty wrapping our minds around, especially if you're younger.

995
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: You know, you think that they're kind of the same,

996
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: But in terms of your chance of death, serious illness,

997
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: chances of losing kind of losing your ability to think properly,

998
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: and showing signs of mental degradation, the change is dramatic

999
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: to the point that you really will have to see it,

1000
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: and I'll lay it all out there.

1001
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: But the point of that is she doesn't.

1002
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: She has a better chance of being in charge as

1003
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: President of the United States through his death or through

1004
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: his incapacitation than any vice president in modern American history.

1005
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 2: And I think people should really internalize that. There's a

1006
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: famous story about Lyndon Johnson. He was one of the

1007
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: most powerful people in America. He was a Senate majority leader,

1008
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: and he took the vice presidency under Kennedy. And then

1009
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 2: one of his friends said, what are you doing, Lyndon?

1010
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: Why would you take this job? You know, it's the

1011
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: most BS gig And he cited the number of times

1012
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: as a US president has been assassinated at her office,

1013
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: and he said, I'll take my odds, darling. And he

1014
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: was right, you know, and that was just dying in

1015
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: office and being killed. Okay, that's not serving for the

1016
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: oldest man to ever hold the oval office. Yeah, really

1017
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: put that in perspective. So outside of the very real

1018
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: risks actually of being I hope this doesn't have I'm

1019
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: just saying, like, you know, if you look at the statistics,

1020
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 2: all the history of that of dying in the Oval

1021
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 2: from unnatural causes. The risk of natural causes is exponentially

1022
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: higher than any man who's ever held the office. I mean,

1023
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: we're talking about an age here where a single fall

1024
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: is like could be deaf and once again.

1025
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 3: Like, I don't want it to be I hope that.

1026
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 2: Doesn't happen, but we have to be realistic, and he

1027
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: is asking us to put a tremendous amount of faith

1028
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: not just in him, in his ability to live, in

1029
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: his ability to conduct the job, and then to select

1030
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 2: this woman as possibly our next commander in chief. I

1031
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: could never pull the lever for her.

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Speaker 1: I also think it's incredibly irresponsible that his team and

1033
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: him have seen her inability to rise to the moment

1034
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: and have to be aware that she is really not

1035
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: the person that you would want to be in the

1036
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: Oval office.

1037
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 4: But out of cube.

1038
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: Risks and out of a fear of admitting a mistake,

1039
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: they won't make another choice.

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00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 6: You know.

1041
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: I think that really says something as well, that you

1042
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: know they see all this stuff as just a game,

1043
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: like it's just about the polls and the politics of it,

1044
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 1: and it's like, no, you have massive power and massive

1045
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: responsibility that should be your first and foremost consideration. Not

1046
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: saying he's any different from other politicians in that regard,

1047
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: but I think it's worth reflecting on that choice.

1048
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 4: That they know this is the problem.

1049
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: They know that, you know, she has failed to even

1050
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: be able to succeed as a vice president, let alone

1051
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: capable of handling the presidency, and yet they choose to

1052
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: stick with their choice just because they don't.

1053
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 4: Want to admit a mistake.

1054
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: Even some of the media is Listen, all the polls

1055
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: show voters seventy percent of voters don't want Biden, Okay,

1056
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: don't want Biden to run again.

1057
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Speaker 4: That doesn't mean that all those people won't vote.

1058
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Speaker 1: You know, some of them are going to vote for

1059
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: him because they also really hate Trump. Okay, but seventy

1060
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: percent of voters are like, please, could we have someone else?

1061
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: And a majority of them, what's their number one concern?

1062
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: It's his age, It's we aren't confident that he's going

1063
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: to be able to effectively and competently serve another term.

1064
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: So there has been a little bit of media scrutiny

1065
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: on this question, and he was recently asked about some

1066
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: of these issues.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to a little bit of that.

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00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 8: You've said questions about your age are legitimate, and your

1069
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 8: response is always just watch me. But the country is watching,

1070
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 8: and recent polling shows that seventy percent of Americans, including

1071
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 8: a majority of Democrats, believe you shouldn't run again to.

1072
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Speaker 9: Age, you know, and pulling, Dad. I noticed. The pulling

1073
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 9: dat I keep hearing about is that I'm between forty

1074
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 9: two and forty six percent favorable rating, et cetera. But

1075
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 9: every bloody running for reelection and this time has been

1076
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 9: in the same position. There's nothing new about that. We're

1077
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 9: making it sound like Biden's really underwater with regard to

1078
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 9: a I can't even say I guess how old I am.

1079
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 9: I can't even say the number I've done register with me.

1080
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 9: But the only thing I can say is that one

1081
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 9: of the things that people are going to find out,

1082
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 9: they're going to see a race, and they're going to

1083
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 9: judge whether or not I have or don't have it.

1084
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 9: I respect them taking a hard look at it. I

1085
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 9: take a hard look at it as well.

1086
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 3: I took a hard.

1087
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Speaker 9: Look at it before I decided to run. And I

1088
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 9: feel good. I feel excited about the prospects, and I

1089
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 9: think we're on the verge of really turning the corner

1090
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 9: and away we have in a long time.

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Speaker 4: Brazie's like, oh, voters will have a chance to value

1092
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Speaker 4: and all.

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Speaker 3: They won't.

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Speaker 4: No, they won't.

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Speaker 1: No, they won't because you have rigged the democratic primary.

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00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: But the states and the order you want them, you're

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00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: not going to host any debates. So yeah, if you

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00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: have a full and open democratic process where oh you're

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00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: sitting for interviews and giving more press conferences.

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Speaker 4: This is like a very rare one that.

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00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: He actually did, and people actually have the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: evaluate you versus the alternatives. And you even acknowledge that

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00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: the alternatives exist.

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00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 4: Okay, that's a different deal.

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00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 1: But they've gone above and beyond to shut down any

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00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: sort of primary process. For all their talk of democracy,

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00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, their whole strategy, and

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00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: this is what I'm talking about in my monologue, in

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00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: part given Bernie's endorsement of Biden, their whole strategy is

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00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: to make people feel like you have no other choice,

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00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: that there are no other quote unquote serious candidates. In

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00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: the primer, we're about to show you some polling that

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00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: may say otherwise.

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00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 4: And in the general election, Trump.

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00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: Is so bad that it's effectively no choice as well.

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00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: They don't want a democratic process, they want a coronation.

1117
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: They want people to feel they have no other option.

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00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right.

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00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 2: We're going to talk very specifically about the polling, which

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00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 2: is insane, which the media would really rather that you

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00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 2: not hear about. And altogether, I just think that the

1122
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: way he has handled it is outrageous. And I also

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00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 2: just do want to show everybody a little bit behind

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00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 2: the scene, which we always tried to do here.

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00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 3: Put this up there on the screen.

1126
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: Biden cheat sheet shows that he had advanced knowledge of

1127
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 2: a journalist question.

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00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 3: That wasn't the question that you had in front of you.

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00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 2: It was actually the next question where he called on

1130
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: a reporter, the La Times reporter Courtney Subramanian. Now the

1131
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 2: reporter asked him a question specifically about re shoring semiconductor

1132
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: manufacturing with Alliance based policy. What you can actually see

1133
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 2: in the cheat sheet that was zoomed in on by

1134
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: the photographers who were present there in a picture captured

1135
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: by Getty Images, they show not only her face, they

1136
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 2: have her title, the pronunciation of her name, and right

1137
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 2: underneath her question they have bullet points for his answer

1138
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 2: on what he's supposed to say.

1139
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 3: Now, I want to say this again.

1140
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: I covered the White House and getting a question before

1141
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: these things. It's a dirty game. The way it works

1142
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: is there's one hundred people there, right, you only get two.

1143
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 2: It's called a two and two, so two and from

1144
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: the Americans and two from the foreign press. But he's

1145
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 2: lobbying the Press secretary to get a question. You're already

1146
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: pre selected. I was pre selected many times. That that's

1147
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: how it goes. And also part of the game, though,

1148
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 2: is they call you and they go, so, what do

1149
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 2: you want to talk about? And you say, you know,

1150
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 2: I can't ask that. You know me, I'm a fair guy.

1151
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: You can choose me if you would like, But I'm

1152
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: not going to get into it. There's a lot of

1153
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,720
Speaker 2: different things I'd like to ask the president about it. Again,

1154
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: it's all a game in case somebody slips up and says,

1155
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 2: here's exactly what I said.

1156
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 3: I'm not so sure this was a slip up.

1157
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 2: I think this was a direct here's what I'm going

1158
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: to ask, and you know why, because look, I think

1159
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: semiconductors are important. But I'm sorry, you get two questions

1160
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 2: before the president. The first is obviously about the re election.

1161
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: And the second one is about semiconductor manufacturing policy.

1162
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's insane, that's ridiculous. Yeah, like you, there are

1163
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 3: so many more pressing things that you could have asked

1164
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 3: the man about, and that was the biggest plant that

1165
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 3: I have ever seen before.

1166
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's embarrassing for everyone involved. Yeah, clearly his.

1167
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: Staff, as you point out, every president, everybody's staff.

1168
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Speaker 4: Try to get a jump on our right.

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Speaker 3: What are these?

1170
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 4: It's all we asked. It's no doubt about it.

1171
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: But embarrassing for him because there's already these questions about

1172
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: could you handle a question coming out at you that

1173
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: you weren't expecting. Number One, humiliating for this journalist because

1174
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: the question that's listed on the sheet is like verbatim's.

1175
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: Exactly what you said, which is crazy. She might have

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00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 2: emailed it to them.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm starting, right, So, I mean it is

1178
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: the verbatim question that she ends up asking, not just

1179
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: some general sense of h she might ask about some

1180
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: countries conductors. No, no, no, here is the specific right

1181
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: that she is going to use. And here's, sir, are

1182
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: your bullet points of what you are supposed to reply,

1183
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: So listen, put this in the context of the president

1184
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: who was given the fewest press conferences, that for the

1185
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: fewest interviews, all of their democracy dies in darkness, liberal

1186
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: media whatever. If Trump was this shut off.

1187
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 4: From the media, they'd be freaking out.

1188
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: If the Republicans were blocking any sort of primary debates,

1189
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: they'd be freaking out. And in fact, there has been

1190
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: lots of outrage coverage about trum is now suggesting, which

1191
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 1: is not okay either, that he may sit out from

1192
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: the Republican primary debates.

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00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 4: Well, there's lots of outrage.

1194
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: They can see how that's anti democratic when it's on

1195
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: the Republican side, But when it's Joe Biden, that's all

1196
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: fine and good and it's just what we expect. At

1197
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: the same time, there's huge effort now in the media

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00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: to once again paint him as like always so electable.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be shoeing, no problem.

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Speaker 1: David from with one example of this genre of analysis. Now,

1201
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. He's saying the coming

1202
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: Biden blowout. Republicans thought about running without Trump in twenty

1203
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: twenty four but lost their nerve. They are heading for

1204
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: electoral disaster again. Maybe possible, you know, I mean, Democrats

1205
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: did better in the midterms than they were expecting. They

1206
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: still did lose the House, so it's not like it

1207
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 1: was amazing.

1208
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 4: For them there either.

1209
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: Maybe people are so done with Trump that they suck

1210
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,439
Speaker 1: it up and vote Joe. I think that's a very

1211
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: possible outcome. I also think it's a very possible outcome

1212
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: that we end up with Donald Trump back in the

1213
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: White House again if he ends up being the Republican nominee.

1214
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: And also, by the way, it's not clear to me

1215
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: that DeSantis or another Republican candidate is actually more electable.

1216
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 4: Than Trump either.

1217
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: Maybe again possible, but that is much murkier to me

1218
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: than it is to people like David Frum who apparently

1219
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: learned absolutely nothing from twenty sixteen.

1220
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, these people are nuts. I mean, go and put

1221
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: the next one out there, please on the screen. Like,

1222
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 2: look at the general election polling, people like, it's not

1223
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: great for Joe Biden.

1224
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 3: It has RCP average at Trump one plus three. Now, look,

1225
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 3: who knows.

1226
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 2: The RCP average was off by about four in the

1227
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 2: Democratic direction in twenty twenty two, it was off by

1228
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 2: about four in the Republican direction in twenty twenty, so

1229
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: I guess it averages out.

1230
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 3: I don't know which way to read that.

1231
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 2: What I do know is crystal if it's off by

1232
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 2: four and so basically, unless you're leading by anything out

1233
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 2: of that, you're within the margin of error. And if

1234
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: you're within the margin of error, well you can lose

1235
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 2: or you can win if you're Trump. So maybe have

1236
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 2: a little bit of humility about what the hell is going.

1237
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: They are all cheering for Trump to be the nominee

1238
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: once again, and I just they learn nothing. They learn

1239
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. And also, by the way, many of these

1240
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 1: people became very wealthy and famous in opposition to Trump,

1241
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: so they have their own sort of incentive as well

1242
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: for him to be the party nominee.

1243
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 3: On the Republican side, absolutely right.

1244
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: At the same time, so there have been a million

1245
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: polls of the Democratic primary race, and normally what they do,

1246
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: and I have never understood this, is they'll put a

1247
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: whole laundry list of candidates in there who have no

1248
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 1: intention of running, who have said they're not going to run.

1249
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 1: I mean, they've pulled like Michelle Obama and all these

1250
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: people who were like, I am.

1251
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 4: Not running in the primary. But they'll put this whole

1252
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 4: laundry list of candidates.

1253
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: Oftentimes they'll completely leave off Mary and Williamson and now

1254
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: Bobby Kennedy even though they are actually running and they

1255
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: are in the race. Well, now we have a very

1256
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: clear picture of who the Democrats in contention are going

1257
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: to be. They have all now announced. Probably, I mean,

1258
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: I think it's unlikely that you see any other entrance.

1259
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: I don't see anyone else making any noise about it.

1260
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: You've got Mary and Williamson, you've got Bobby Kennedy Junior,

1261
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: and you've got Joe Biden. So lo and behold, one

1262
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: news organization decided, let's actually pull on the contest that

1263
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: exists rather than this weird fantasy one where we're running

1264
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: AOCM Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton and every other laundry

1265
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: list of candidate. And the results are kind of interesting.

1266
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen. This is Fox News poll.

1267
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: They're you know, serious polsters over there.

1268
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 4: Joe Biden's is.

1269
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: Sixty two percent, Robert Kennedy Junior nineteen percent, and Marian

1270
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: Williamson at nine percent.

1271
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 4: So you've got you know, third, You've got a.

1272
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: Third, and you've got you know, more than a third

1273
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: of voters who are not backing Biden. Here those numbers,

1274
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: considering the media has completely pretended like these two candidates

1275
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: don't even exist right, anytime they even get mentioned, it's

1276
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: always couch and all this language about they're a long shot,

1277
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: they don't have a real shot, they're not considered serious,

1278
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: they're you know, like all of this language to try

1279
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: to dismiss them or invisibilize them entirely. They've been mocked

1280
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: and derided in the media, and yet clearly there is

1281
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: an appetite from voters for something other than a coronation.

1282
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: They are open to options, they would like to hear

1283
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: more about the options, and at the very least, they

1284
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: deserve to be able to see these candidates debate their

1285
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: ideas and if at the end of the day they decide, listen,

1286
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: Joe Biden is our best bet for whatever reason. Okay,

1287
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: but the fact that they are openly explicitly the Democratic

1288
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: Party blocking any sort of a real primary process is

1289
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: truly unconscionable, given the fact that there is a real

1290
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: appetite obviously for alternatives.

1291
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, it's stunning. Also just to consider the media treatment.

1292
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: I mean, somebody is pulling in nineteen percent, that is,

1293
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: I mean, in some polls that's almost equivalent to how

1294
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 2: much Ron DeSantis has versus Donald Trump. So you've got

1295
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 2: to treat that person fairly. By the way we are

1296
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: working right now and getting RFK Junior, So RFK if

1297
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 2: you see this, Yeah, trying to have you on the

1298
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 2: Show've been in communication with people around you, et cetera.

1299
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're trying to make that happen because that's

1300
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,919
Speaker 2: what we believe in. Here is let's talk like, let's

1301
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 2: figure this out. Nineteen percent of people are interested in

1302
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 2: you have your father's book right behind me. Actually, that's

1303
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: an original that I found very interesting. The point is

1304
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: is that these people are showing the path to an alternative,

1305
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 2: and at the very least Crystal, they deserve.

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Speaker 3: Time on the stage.

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Speaker 2: You can't not have a debate where he doesn't get

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Speaker 2: to be on the stage and Marianna doesn't get to

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Speaker 2: be there either. They're well over the two percent threshold

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Speaker 2: that they were allowed to be on the stage in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty in an open primary, and they are rigging

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Speaker 2: this system.

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Speaker 3: If you think twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Was rigged, and if this is like another level, yeah

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Speaker 2: of the primary changing the schedule and having no debate,

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Speaker 2: that's genuinely nuts to not allow that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I may do a monologue on this next week.

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Speaker 1: It was about a week ago. One of the New

1319
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Speaker 1: York Times podcast is called The run Up. They went

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Speaker 1: and they interviewed DMC members about the reordering of the states,

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Speaker 1: and some of them were out right. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: were not ashamed of the fact that, yeah, we did

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Speaker 1: the president's bidding. Yeah we ordered the states exactly how

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Speaker 1: we wanted them. I mean, they dropped this facility. It's

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Speaker 1: still put up the language about representation, black voters, etc.

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Speaker 1: But they sort of dropped the mask and were like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we are here to serve the president. We want him

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Speaker 1: to be the nominee. We're doing what he thinks is

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Speaker 1: in his political interest. And the fact that it adds

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Speaker 1: this like representation talking point, that's all good for us

1331
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: as well. The fact that they feel comfortable admitting this

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Speaker 1: is astonishing. And you know, the New York Times has

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Speaker 1: been part of this coronation process, but even they in

1334
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Speaker 1: that piece, we're like, this is a coronation, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure how this squares with the fact that you

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Speaker 1: have a clear, consistent majority of Democratic base voters who

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Speaker 1: are like, we want an alternative, and yet everybody on

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Speaker 1: the party, from party elites from every ideological corner, including

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders, who immediately bends the knee hours after Biden

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Speaker 1: announces that he's running for reelection, all of them coalescing

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Speaker 1: behind him in what is a very very anti democratic

1342
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Speaker 1: and sort of outright authoritarian fashion. Again, the very least

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Speaker 1: that people deserve is to be able to hear these

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Speaker 1: candidates that they clearly have some interest in, and guys,

1345
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: whether you want them to be or not, are clearly

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Speaker 1: serious candidates as judged by the American people. They deserve

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Speaker 1: to hear them.

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Speaker 3: Debate absolutely real democracy.

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Speaker 1: We've got an escalation we can tell you about this

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Speaker 1: morning between run de sand and Walt Disney Company. So

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Speaker 1: this is not necessarily a surprise, but put this up

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Speaker 1: on the screen. Disney is officially suing Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.

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Speaker 1: This came down yesterday on Wednesday over they say the

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Speaker 1: Republicans takeover of its theme park district, alleging the governor

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Speaker 1: waged a targeted campaign of government retaliation after the company

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Speaker 1: opposed a law critics called Don't Say Gay. That lawsuit

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Speaker 1: was filed in Tallahassee Minutes after a Disney World oversight

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01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: board appointed by DeSantis voted to void a deal that

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Speaker 1: gave the company authority over design and construction decisions and

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Speaker 1: its sprawling properties near Orlando. Here's the quote from the company.

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Speaker 1: They say, Disney regrets that it has come to this,

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Speaker 1: but having exhausted efforts to seek a resolution, the company

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Speaker 1: is left with no choice but to file this lawsuit

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Speaker 1: to protect its cast members, guests, and local development partners

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Speaker 1: from a relentless campaign to weaponize government power against Disney

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01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: in retaliation for expressing a political viewpoint unpopular with certain

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Speaker 1: state officials.

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Speaker 4: Just a brief.

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Speaker 1: Reminder of how we got to this point. Disney has

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Speaker 1: a sizable LGBTQ fan base or customer base. They also

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Speaker 1: have positioned themselves as being sort of allies. So when

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Speaker 1: this quote unquote don't say gay bill passes in Florida,

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01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: they were under a lot of pressure to say something.

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Speaker 4: They put out this, you know, sort of late.

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Speaker 1: And not all that strong statement about it, but in

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01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: opposition to it. DeSantis takes it as an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: stand up to the woke corporation. And what they take

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Speaker 1: amatt in particular is this reedy Creek Improvement District, which

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Speaker 1: is a crazy It is a crazy So since the sixties,

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Speaker 1: Disney has effective control, Like they run their own town,

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01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: they tax themselves, they can issue bonds, they can build.

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Speaker 4: A nuclear power plan.

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Speaker 1: Apparently they just have control of this whole thing. Now,

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Speaker 1: this has been beneficial in certain ways for the state

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Speaker 1: because Disney's obviously brought brings in lots of tourist dollars

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Speaker 1: and generates lots of economic activity. Uh, they employ tens

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Speaker 1: of thousands of people in Florida. So it's been that's

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01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: been the partnership. And it's very clear that DeSantis decided

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01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: to retally. I mean, I don't think anyone can look

1390
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: at the situation and come away with any other idea

1391
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: than he decided to retaliate against him because he didn't

1392
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: like the political perspective that they were offering. Disney pulled

1393
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: kind of a fast one on DeSantis, though, and it

1394
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: left him looking a bit foolish because at the very end,

1395
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: before they put the DeSantis appointees on this Reedy Creek

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Speaker 1: Improvement Board, the Disney Favorable Board passes this development deal,

1397
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: effectively taking control away from the board and handing it

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Speaker 1: back to Disney. So now DeSantis has been maneuvering with

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Speaker 1: his appointees to try to undo that and unravel that, etc.

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Speaker 1: And now we're at loggerheads with this lawsuit. The other

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01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: piece of this from a political perspective, I've got some

1402
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: pulling on this that shows this kind of it's a

1403
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: little bit muddy.

1404
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 4: How this is all going to.

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01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: Work out for him is after Disney was able to

1406
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: pull a fast one on him and get the upper hand,

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01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: a lot of his Republican adversary came out, including Nikki Haley,

1408
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: but including most importantly Trump, who said he's getting killed

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01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: by Disney and this is all a pr stunt, and

1410
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: he really planted his flag very aggressively in opposition to

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01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: what DeSantis is doing here and also just trying to

1412
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: paint DeSantis's like weak and foolish that he got played

1413
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: in this way. So DeSantis has been scrambling to figure

1414
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: out what to do and just his re minder. He

1415
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: like had a kind of weird press conference where he

1416
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: was floating like, oh well, maybe in response, I'm going

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01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,919
Speaker 1: to build my own theme park, or maybe I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: put a prison next door to Walt Disney. Take a

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01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: listen to what he had to say, maybe.

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Speaker 5: Have another maybe create a state park, maybe trying to

1421
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Speaker 5: do more amusement parks. Someone even said like, maybe you

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01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 5: need another state prison.

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Speaker 3: Who knows.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I just think that the possibilities are endless,

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01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 8: and so that is now going to be analyzed to

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01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 8: see what would make the most sense.

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Speaker 1: So let me just say, Zagar on the legal merits,

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Speaker 1: I genuinely have no idea, Like, it's very complex.

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01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 3: Like it. You're not Florida property law.

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01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: Experts, no, So I have no idea how this will

1431
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: be resolved legally. I will say from my general knowledge

1432
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: of the American legal system, gigantic corporations who can hire,

1433
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: you know, you know, spend billions of dollars on attorneys

1434
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: if they want to, they often have an upper hand

1435
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: in these disputes. And Disney clearly sees this as close

1436
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: to existential, very very important to them.

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Speaker 4: So that's all I can really say about it.

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Speaker 2: Here's the issue for DeSantis. You said you were going

1439
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 2: to pick a fight with Disney. So if you lose,

1440
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 2: you look weak, and if you come with the King,

1441
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 2: you best not mess and Disney that's it, you know,

1442
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 2: they run that state. It's like look at least when

1443
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 2: the Georgia legislature went after Coca Cola, they actually won.

1444
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: Or with MLB in this case, it's like if you lose,

1445
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 2: and you have a very.

1446
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 3: Good chance of losing.

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Speaker 2: As I understand, once again, we are not experts in

1448
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 2: Florida property law and all of that. But if you

1449
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 2: do it in a haphazard way, and if they can

1450
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 2: prove that your actions were done in regards to try

1451
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 2: and silencing free speech, this is also the problem. You know,

1452
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 2: on conflicted level, I think it's crazy that a multi

1453
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 2: billion dollar company has self governance inside of a sovereign

1454
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 2: American state.

1455
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 3: Sorry, that's crazy.

1456
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 2: I don't believe that corporations, quote have free speech rights

1457
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 2: because I don't think that corporations are people. I don't

1458
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 2: think that they should be treated equally under the law. However,

1459
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 2: many conservative justices disagree that all the way goes back

1460
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 2: to Citizens United and actually would be very ironic if

1461
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 2: Citizens United itself is the one that came back to

1462
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 2: bite DeSantis in the episode.

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Speaker 3: Very well. Actually, no, like on the.

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01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 2: Merits, if you look at kind of the way, like

1465
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 2: whether corporations or whatever have free speech rights, I really

1466
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 2: don't believe that not because I want to silence people's speech,

1467
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 2: but because that leads to political giving advertising, which comes

1468
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 2: back to some of the woke problems I think we

1469
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 2: even have in the first place.

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Speaker 3: Put that all aside. It politically he made it a thing.

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Speaker 2: So now if you lose at your own thing, then

1472
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,439
Speaker 2: you look like an idiot, and that's not good.

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Speaker 3: And the chances again, now you're throwing it to.

1474
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 2: A legal fight where who the hell knows if this

1475
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 2: is even going to be resolved by the time.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is we got billions at stake.

1477
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Speaker 2: And if you think they're not going to fight till

1478
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 2: the end of time on this case, not at the

1479
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,959
Speaker 2: jury level, at the appeals level, at the Supreme court level,

1480
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 2: then you're stupid too. So at the very least, like

1481
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 2: in terms of the talking point Trump and let's put

1482
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 2: Haley side, doesn't matter. Trump has got what he needs

1483
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 2: in his Amma, in his back pocket if he needs

1484
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 2: it whenever he wants a brand out.

1485
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: Well, the problem for DeSantis is, like most culture war

1486
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: outrage flare ups, people have already moved on from this,

1487
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 1: and yet he's stuck here now having to go up

1488
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: against this corporate behemoth. So this is gonna suck up

1489
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 1: a lot of time and attention because the upside at

1490
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: this point, if he wins, the upside is not that

1491
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: great because people have already moved on to you know,

1492
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 1: blud light or whatever. The next thing is going to

1493
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 1: be a minute from now. But the downside risk for

1494
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: him is massive. And Trump clearly already smells blood in

1495
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: the water and is going.

1496
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:00,879
Speaker 4: For the jugular.

1497
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 1: And if he does lose against Disney, or even appears

1498
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: like he's losing against Disney, Trump is never gonna let

1499
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: you hear the end of it. On the polling of

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01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: how people feel about it already, it's kind of mixed.

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01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen. Only forty four percent

1502
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 1: of Republicans say that they have a more favorable view

1503
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: of DeSantis because of the fight with Disney, So it's

1504
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: not like this was a clear, gigantic winner for him.

1505
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: Seventy three percent of respondents say they are less likely

1506
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: to support a political candidate who backs law is designed

1507
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: to punish a company for its political or cultural stances.

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01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 1: That includes sixty three percent of Republicans who sort of

1509
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: don't like the concept of it, and they polled specifically,

1510
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, they try to give DeSantis' argument for this

1511
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: versus the free speech argument against DeSantis. They say DeSantis

1512
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: has argued his actions against Disney were rightfully rolling back

1513
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: special treatment for the company. Some sixty four percent of

1514
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:02,560
Speaker 1: Republicans agreed, with thirty seven percent, though siding with the

1515
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 1: vast majority of Democrats and also majority of Independents who

1516
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: say DeSantis was punishing Disney for exercising free speech. So yeah,

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01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: a majority of Republicans are kind of siding with him,

1518
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: but you got a sizeable minority thirty seven percent who

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Speaker 1: are not. And I have to think if Trump really

1520
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: digs in on that iss on this issue, that number

1521
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: is only going to shift more to the other side.

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01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 2: I'm really sure the merits matter at all, to be honest,

1523
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 2: I just think it's all comes down to optics.

1524
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 3: You pick a.

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01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 2: Fight, you're lose. You just look like it's very base.

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01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 2: It's like, you made this a thing, dude. You know

1527
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 2: the bud Light thing is instructive. No governor was like, oh,

1528
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 2: we're gonna punish bud Light. A brunch of conservatives were like,

1529
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,560
Speaker 2: we're not going to buy bud Light. Bud Light a

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01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 2: bunch of its executives and apparently their sales are down

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01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 2: by seventeen percent. Now in general, I don't know if

1532
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 2: Boycott's work or not, but you know, people who are

1533
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 2: anti bud Light can claim victory because they did win

1534
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 2: and they didn't actually have to really do anything except

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01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 2: talk about it.

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01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 3: So all you really would have had to do in

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01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 3: the Disney case is be.

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01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 2: Like, well, you know, we're not going to stand by Disney,

1539
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 2: and then Santas doesn't go to some Disney event, you

1540
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 2: probably would have the same political level of upside that

1541
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 2: actually winning on this Reedy Creek fight would have had

1542
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 2: in the first place, without any of the downside politically anyway,

1543
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 2: an interesting concert.

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01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: Let me there's one more thing I want to point

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01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 1: out here, and I'm going to pull up some numbers

1546
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: that I was looking at that same Fox News pool

1547
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 1: that we showed you the Democratic primary numbers on they

1548
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: tested the Republican primary numbers and Donald Trump was winning

1549
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: by a significant amount.

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01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 4: But what is really important to.

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01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: Understand is the differences in their coalitions. So if you

1552
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 1: test white people with a college degree, it's tied tiede

1553
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is at thirty six, DeSantis is at thirty five,

1554
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 1: So effective tie within the margin of error. That's college

1555
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 1: degree holders, white people with no college degree sixty one

1556
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: percent for Trump, fifteen percent for run DeSantis. So why

1557
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: am I bringing this up? That college degree holding were

1558
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 1: affluent part of the Republican base. They're very pro business,

1559
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:04,520
Speaker 1: tend to be much more of the like traditional Reaganite conservatives.

1560
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're more like Romney type.

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01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 1: People that look at this and are like, why are

1562
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: you being anti business? So he's taken a position that's

1563
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: kind of at odds with his own natural constituency. Not

1564
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: to mention the donor Glass hates this sort of thing.

1565
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: They're not on board with it whatsoever. And meanwhile, it's

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01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 1: funny because you know the Trump bass would be more

1567
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: likely to view this move favorably, but now you've got

1568
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: Trump coming in to trash to Santis over so they're

1569
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: not going to be on.

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01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 4: Board with you either.

1571
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,799
Speaker 1: So he's really kind of politically exposed here and wrapped

1572
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 1: up in something that is much bigger than probably what

1573
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 1: he really wanted to bite off.

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01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 3: Very true. Absolutely, it looks like a fool in my opinion.

1575
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,719
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about Nate Silver, some big news

1576
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 2: that just fits with so much of what we've been

1577
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 2: talking about.

1578
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 8: Here.

1579
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 3: The twenty tens media era.

1580
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 2: Is officially over. Go ahead and put this up there

1581
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 2: on the screen. Nate Silm five thirty eight is out

1582
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 2: at ABC News as Disney layoffs once again hit the

1583
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 2: news division. So Nate actually revealed in a tweet that

1584
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 2: he would be leaving five thirty eight and then five

1585
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 2: thirty eight employees had been heavily impacted by layoff.

1586
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 3: Announcement at ABC News.

1587
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 2: For those who don't remember, five thirty eight was an

1588
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 2: independent political website that was started by Nate Silver after

1589
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 2: he left The New York Times With the five thirty

1590
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 2: eight blog, it was very successful, had a good track

1591
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 2: record up until twenty sixteen started his own website, which

1592
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 2: was then bought by ABC News as part of the

1593
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,679
Speaker 2: Disney portfolio. It was seen as one of the darling

1594
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 2: companies of the twenty tens, like the blogger era of

1595
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 2: a guy like him who could literally go from playing

1596
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 2: shit posting on Twitter and playing online poker two becoming

1597
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 2: you know, the guy who called the twenty twelve election,

1598
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 2: and now to see him out of his own company,

1599
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 2: which is crazy and also, by the way, why you

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01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 2: should never see or at the very least you are

1601
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 2: going to sell like you should have protections. Here's what

1602
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 2: he has to say. Put this up there on the screen.

1603
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 2: Disney layoffs are substantially impacted.

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01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 3: Five thirty eight. I'm sad and disappointed to a degree

1605
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 3: that's kind of hard to express. Right now.

1606
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 2: We've been at Disney almost ten years. My contract is

1607
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 2: up soon. I expect I will be leaving at the

1608
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 2: end of it. I've been worried about an outcome like.

1609
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 3: This and have had some great initial conversations with opportunity elsewhere.

1610
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 3: Don't hesitate to get in touch. I'm proud of the work.

1611
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 3: Five thirty eight. Staff.

1612
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 2: It's never been easy. I'm sorry to the people who

1613
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 2: have been impacted by this. I put this together with

1614
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 2: a couple of things, the end of BuzzFeed News, the decline,

1615
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 2: and let's go back in time. It's twenty twelve. Silver

1616
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 2: is a rock star. His book was called The Signal

1617
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 2: and the Noise. That book was like number one on

1618
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 2: Amazon after his model called the twenty twelve election. This

1619
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,719
Speaker 2: guy is like getting you know, book contracts, and money's

1620
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 2: being thrown at him. At five from The New York Times.

1621
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 2: Everybody loves this guy. BuzzFeed News. They are the hottest

1622
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 2: thing on the block. Mike dot Com. They're killing it

1623
01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 2: for millennials. They're crushing it on Facebook. You've got Gawker, right,

1624
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 2: Goker still exists.

1625
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 3: All these companies.

1626
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:06,799
Speaker 2: Gowker's on the upswing, like they're swinging and punching.

1627
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,719
Speaker 3: And now it's twenty twenty three. It's a decade later.

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01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 2: They're all dead. They're gone, like hollowed. Business insiders still around.

1629
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 2: I guess if you want to have a paywall for

1630
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 2: clickable articles. And then wes Is, I don't know what

1631
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 2: the hell is going on there. They to be fair,

1632
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 2: I think Wece was the best of all of them.

1633
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 3: I loved Vice.

1634
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 2: I'll always stand by some of their early content, but

1635
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 2: I think they very much lost their way, and Jane

1636
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:37,799
Speaker 2: Smith made some questionable business decisions which certainly benefited him personally,

1637
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 2: but which necessarily work out for the company. They're still

1638
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 2: trucking along, I guess, but it's not even close to

1639
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 2: the level what they were or Look at vox Media.

1640
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 2: Vox Media was one of the biggest startups of the

1641
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 2: twenty tens, built on the click model era, and now

1642
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 2: they're two founders. One is on substack, Matt Iglesias and

1643
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 2: Ezra Kleine works over at the New York Times and

1644
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 2: his wife works for the Atlantic. It's like you either

1645
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 2: became an institutionalist or you went independent.

1646
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 3: There really was no in between for this clickbase media.

1647
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 2: So I'm looking at it almost as a metastory just

1648
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 2: to say wow, like wow, man, the blogger era is dead.

1649
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 2: All of the big bloggers who everybody thought was going

1650
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 2: to be the new it thing, they went. They made

1651
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 2: the wrong bet. They thought that they could sustain themselves

1652
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 2: on the click model or in partnership with traditional media,

1653
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 2: and they got burned. The ones who went independent, they're

1654
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 2: still trucking along and they're doing okay.

1655
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. With regard to this particular business decision, and you

1656
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 1: and I were talking about this, I honestly from Disney's

1657
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: I don't quite understand it, because i'd have to know,

1658
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: I guess more than numbers. But I feel like Nate

1659
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,640
Speaker 1: Silver is a bigger brand than five thirty eight, like,

1660
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: if anything, And I have to think that the burn

1661
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 1: for the whole five thirty eight operation would be more

1662
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 1: than this one guy, even though I'm sure he's very

1663
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 1: well paid. So I find it a little strange from

1664
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: a business decision perspective. But putting that aside, what all

1665
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: of these companies have in common is that they're built

1666
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 1: on a business model that just doesn't really work anymore

1667
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 1: and they were unable to adjust. That's really the bottom line.

1668
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: And some of them there are ideological issues as well.

1669
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:15,759
Speaker 1: I do think the whole polling analysis industry was certainly

1670
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 1: hurt by the unexpected results in twenty sixteen and by

1671
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 1: the fact that in every election since then, the polls

1672
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: have been off in some significant way.

1673
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 4: So people just don't look to the polls as the

1674
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 4: gospel that they used. So let's be honest, No, they

1675
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 4: absolutely shouldn't.

1676
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 1: And so I think that, you know, so the core

1677
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: of the Nate Silver philosophy is that this is the

1678
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: thing that you should rely on, that there are models

1679
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: that you can use that can work out pretty well

1680
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: what's going to happen and predict these elections, and that

1681
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: theory has taken a big hit from twenty sixteen and

1682
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: really in every election since then. So I think that's

1683
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: part of the backstory here too.

1684
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, just you know, just thinking about it in terms

1685
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 2: of like the meta story here.

1686
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 3: I feel bad for him.

1687
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I do think he was a genuine talent.

1688
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 2: He had some pretty heterodoxic views, you know, at some

1689
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 2: point he was a media critic too, in his own right.

1690
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 2: Sometimes it didn't necessarily always agree with him. But he

1691
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 2: had a lot of people into politics.

1692
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 3: I'll say that a lot of people got into politics

1693
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 3: because they enjoyed tracking five thirty eight polling.

1694
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 2: I've seen that too. It's kind of like an easy

1695
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 2: gateway drug for a lot of people.

1696
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 3: And I'm sad.

1697
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll be fine, But five thirty eight was

1698
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 2: a cool thing. It didn't work out. I think they

1699
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 2: made many, many, many wrong mistakes or big mistakes in

1700
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 2: terms of their business model, hiring too many people selling

1701
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 2: themselves to Disney being one.

1702
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,600
Speaker 3: But it was it was a cool project. And to

1703
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 3: watch it die, like, I'm not as gleeful as watching

1704
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 3: BuzzFeed News die. I guess.

1705
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, five thirty eight is apparently still going to be around,

1706
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: but sure without Nate Silver, It's is a really five

1707
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 1: thirty eight. Yeah, like it's it is funny because I

1708
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: think if he had maintained his independence, they could have

1709
01:18:56,520 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: shifted to a business model that would work in the

1710
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 1: current era where advertising rates just aren't.

1711
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 4: What they used to be.

1712
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:07,520
Speaker 1: And social media distribution isn't what it used to be.

1713
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: Because even though the polls aren't what they used to be,

1714
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 1: it's still Listen, you only have so much information to

1715
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 1: go on, so you have to look at what the

1716
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 1: polls are saying, and then you factor in a margin

1717
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: of error and they who knows, And it's been wrong

1718
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 1: in both directions in recent elections, so you know, keep

1719
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: that in mind, take it with the big grain of salt,

1720
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 1: and here are the states that have been the.

1721
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 4: Most of it.

1722
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 1: And that's the way that we've tried to analyze the polls.

1723
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 1: But it's still beneficial to take a look at his

1724
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: model to understand what his projections are. And I think

1725
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that would have paid

1726
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 1: to be able to benefit from that service. So I

1727
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 1: do think there's another universe in which he never sells

1728
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 1: and which he maintains it as his own outlet. But also,

1729
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 1: some people don't want to be business people.

1730
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 3: They just in the ask yeah, And some people just you.

1731
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 1: Know, they want to do the thing they like to do,

1732
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 1: crunching the numbers or whatever his deal is, and they

1733
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 1: don't really want to be bothered with the HR decisions

1734
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: and the tax system men, all of those sorts of things,

1735
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 1: and it's so Yeah, I do feel like it is

1736
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 1: a loss, and I do kind of feel for him

1737
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,640
Speaker 1: because when you've built this is his baby. Yeah, I know,

1738
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: when you've built that up and then like you're no

1739
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 1: longer associated, but it's still going to continue on.

1740
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Speaker 4: We know a little bit of what that feels like.

1741
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 3: One hundred percent know what it feels like. That's really tough.

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Speaker 2: And I look at the cost of dealing with annoying

1743
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 2: tax problems.

1744
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Speaker 3: As the cost.

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01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:30,799
Speaker 2: That's the cost of being independent and being your own boss.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's basically how it works out anyway, Christal, where

1747
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:37,600
Speaker 3: you take a look at this week, the.

1748
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 1: Current president launched one of the least inspiring democratic campaigns

1749
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: of all time. He released a carefully crafted video which

1750
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 1: promised literally nothing in the way of an affirmative agenda,

1751
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 1: with the tagline finished the job. Left unsaid was what

1752
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 1: job he planned to finish, since there has been nothing

1753
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 1: in the way of tangible goals or plan since the

1754
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 1: implosion of Build Back Better. Biden then had the goal

1755
01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 1: to go speak to some unions, presumably trying to put

1756
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 1: on his pro labor president stick, even as his unconsciable

1757
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: actions backing rail bosses over workers has already put to

1758
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 1: bed any notion that he would ever really stand with workers. Yet,

1759
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: in spite of all of the disappointments and broken promises

1760
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,560
Speaker 1: of the first Biden term, within hours of his announcement,

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01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 1: Biden's chief rival, the independent Senator from Vermont, Bernie Sanders,

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01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: has endorsed his bid. It's a final betrayal of the

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01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 1: movement that Bernie himself created, thoroughly capitulating to Biden and

1764
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 1: the worldview that he represents. Depressingly, given Bernie's trajectory post

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01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, this was not really surprising. Bernie told the

1766
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 1: AP quote, the last thing this country needs is a

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01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 1: Donald Trump or some other right wing demagogue who's going

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01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: to try to undermine American democracy or take away a

1769
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: one's right to choose, or not address the crisis of

1770
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 1: gun violence, or racism, sexism, or homophobia.

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Speaker 4: So I'm in to do what I can to make

1772
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Speaker 4: sure that the president is re elected.

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Speaker 1: Bernie didn't even make a single demand, didn't force a

1774
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 1: single concession, at least not that we know of. No

1775
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 1: demand for debates or renewed commitment to living bade Union

1776
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 1: legislation anything, Bernie instantly bent the knee, and he did

1777
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 1: it in exchange for less than nothing. It actually gets

1778
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 1: even worse though. When asked about other primary challenges to Biden,

1779
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: Bernie actively discouraged others from entering, suggesting that this was

1780
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 1: the wrong focus for progressives and echoing the media's framing

1781
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,759
Speaker 1: though we should all just accept a coronation of Joe Biden,

1782
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: Bernie said of potential challengers, quote, people will do what

1783
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Speaker 1: they want to do. I think Joe Biden will be

1784
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 1: the Democratic nominee, and my job, and I think the

1785
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 1: progressive movement's job is to make certain that he stands

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01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: up and fights for the working class of the country

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01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: and does not take anything for granted. And without, my friends,

1788
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 1: you can see with undeniable clarity that the bastard's really

1789
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 1: got them.

1790
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Speaker 4: What do I mean?

1791
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 1: Well, back in twenty sixteen, Bernie's central and most provocative

1792
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 1: insight was that the only way to fight an authoritarian

1793
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 1: demagogue like Trump was through expanding democracy, enlisting an energizing

1794
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 1: new voters, showing that a multi racial, working class centric

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01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:59,759
Speaker 1: democracy could deliver on the material needs of its citizens.

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01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: In other words, it was a thoroughly populist pitch, which

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01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 1: trusted in the voters of America, believed they could be

1798
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 1: persuaded and that only more democracy could really write the ship.

1799
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 4: Here he is making that case.

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Speaker 10: You cannot be Trump with the same old, same old

1801
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 10: kind of politics.

1802
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 11: Wow.

1803
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 10: What we need is a new politics that brings working

1804
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:31,599
Speaker 10: class people in Tawa political movement, which brings young people

1805
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 10: in Tuahwa political movement, and which in Novembo will create

1806
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 10: the highest vote to turnout in American political history.

1807
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Speaker 1: This view of politics was actually and still is deeply controversial.

1808
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 1: At a time when cable news is trying to convince

1809
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: you every single day that your fellow citizens represent an

1810
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 1: existential threat, Bernie argued that we should go further than

1811
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: ever to put our faith in them, to appeal to them,

1812
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: to bring them into the process. Bernie's policies, from medicare

1813
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 1: for all to free college were of course different from

1814
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 1: his opponents as well, but the most vital difference between

1815
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 1: him and almost everyone else was his belief in populism. This,

1816
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 1: for example, is what really separated him from Elizabeth Warren.

1817
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 1: Bernie believed in the movement, Warren believed in the insider game,

1818
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 1: populism versus elitism. Now, the counter narrative to this populist

1819
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 1: approach was argued by Hillary Biden and all the rest.

1820
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 1: They argued that the threat from the right was too

1821
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 1: dire to leave up to untrustworthy, deplorable voters. They argued,

1822
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: in essence, don't worry your pretty little heads about your

1823
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 1: policy desires or candidate preferences, because the serious people will

1824
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: tell you who you absolutely must vote for in order

1825
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 1: to fight fascism. Sadly, that counter narrative has been very successful.

1826
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: They convinced much of the Democratic base that their fellow

1827
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 1: Americans were terrifying, racist.

1828
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 4: And generally evil.

1829
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,719
Speaker 1: They used this belief to justify in anything goes politics

1830
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 1: that included rigging the twenty sixteen primaries, rigging the Iowa

1831
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 1: caucuses in twenty twenty, and the Obama clibern media collusion

1832
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 1: that foisted Biden on voters in twenty twenty, as well

1833
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 1: anyone who dissented from this as a fascist or a

1834
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 1: useful idiot, or a grifter or some other terrible thing.

1835
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 1: Democratic elites are, of course running this playbook.

1836
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 4: Again.

1837
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: Biden's message, the majority of Democratic voters who don't want

1838
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 1: him and the overwhelming majority of all voters.

1839
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 4: Who don't want him is you have no choice.

1840
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 1: You have no choice in the primary because, according the

1841
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 1: elites in Washington, no quote serious opponents are running, and

1842
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 1: even if there was an elite certified serious choice, the

1843
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: Democratic Party has already rigged the primaries and killed all

1844
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 1: debates to try to guarantee a Biden coronation. Similarly, you

1845
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: have no choice in the general election because, just like

1846
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, Biden may not get your pulse racing,

1847
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 1: and may barely have a pulse himself, but at least

1848
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 1: he's not Trump. This worldview is an all out assault

1849
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 1: on democracy. The theory is basically only liberal authoritarianism can

1850
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 1: defeat right wing authoritarianism. It is as stupid an idea

1851
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 1: as it is completely poisonous, and now it has the

1852
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 1: world's foremost former left populist standing behind it. Bernie joining

1853
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 1: the ranks of the anti democracy elitist is nothing short

1854
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: of a tragedy. I'll personally always be grateful to Bernie

1855
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,719
Speaker 1: for the movement he launched, the way it transformed politics,

1856
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 1: for the way it personally expanded my political imagination and

1857
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: fully shook me out of my partisan prism. There is

1858
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 1: simply no denying, however, that his defection to the other

1859
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 1: side of this debate has done massive damage to that

1860
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 1: very movement. Many have become dissolusion. They've given up on

1861
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 1: the idea that electoral politics can even be a venue

1862
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 1: for real change. Others have followed Bernie into being co

1863
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 1: opted by the establishment elitist wing of the party. The

1864
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,679
Speaker 1: number of supposed leftists I see fully supporting the DNC's

1865
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 1: decision to hold no debates and doing the work of

1866
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 1: smearing any and all potential primary challengers to Biden is

1867
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 1: extremely depressing.

1868
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Speaker 4: But all hope is not lost.

1869
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 1: As I report on Tuesday, younger generations, they're not really

1870
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 1: fooled by these lies, and they're much less likely to

1871
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 1: be kout and to believe in the arguments of a

1872
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,640
Speaker 1: political class that has done nothing but betray them for

1873
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 1: their entire lives. Bernie's endorsement of Biden comes at kind

1874
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 1: of an ironic moment here too. He's just finishing up

1875
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: a media tour promoting his book, It's Okay to Be

1876
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: Angry About Capitalism. It's filled with critique of the Biden

1877
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 1: wing of the party and outlines Bernie's long standing concerns

1878
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 1: about inequality and an economic system that is at this

1879
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: point less capitalist than it is outright psychopathic. I don't

1880
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 1: doubt that Bernie is still extremely genuine in his belief

1881
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 1: in the universal healthcare, canceling student debt, fighting climate crisis,

1882
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 1: et cetera. But his full capituates capitulation to the elitist

1883
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: insiders means that these core policy commitments they only really

1884
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 1: matter on the margins. I guess in Bernie's new worldview,

1885
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 1: it's okay to be angry about capitalism, you just can't

1886
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: actually do anything about it. And Siger, listen, am I surprised?

1887
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 1: No I act?

1888
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,679
Speaker 2: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

1889
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 2: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com.

1890
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 4: All right, Sciger, what are you looking at?

1891
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 10: Well?

1892
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 2: We have talked a lot here over the years about

1893
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 2: Joe Biden's age. It's perhaps the most fraught personal thing

1894
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 2: about the man. Anyone with eyes can see he's not

1895
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 2: who we are was, And yet if you discuss his decline,

1896
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 2: you're immediately maligned as some disgusting agist or a someone

1897
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 2: who discriminates against old people or against stuttering that miraculously

1898
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 2: reappeared when he started pushing eighty years old, and that

1899
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 2: didn't exist for his entire professional life. In light of

1900
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 2: Biden's official announcement that he's running again in twenty twenty four,

1901
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 2: the country needs to be allowed to have a discussion

1902
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 2: that everyone is thinking, is it responsible to put someone

1903
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 2: in the Oval office who will be pushing eighty seven

1904
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 2: years old? If he were to leave in January twenty

1905
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 2: twenty nine, not that long ago, the answer would have

1906
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 2: been a resounding hell no. In nineteen eighty four, there

1907
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 2: was a serious debate in this country as to whether

1908
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan should be allowed to serve a second term.

1909
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 2: He was a spring chicken by today's standards, only seventy three,

1910
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 2: the oldest president ever at the time, and he had

1911
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 2: to prove that he could handle the job for another

1912
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 2: four years. Reagan's first debate with Walter Mondale did not

1913
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 2: go well. He appeared aloof and he was tired. The

1914
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 2: campaign actually brought it up and his doctor made a

1915
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 2: under and saying that mister Reagan was in excellent health

1916
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:03,759
Speaker 2: but was quote tired.

1917
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Speaker 3: After his first debate.

1918
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Speaker 2: It made him just look older and more feeble than

1919
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 2: he was Reagan and his adviser Roger Ailes, who would

1920
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 2: later go to It or later go on to create

1921
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 2: Fox News, understood that he had to make it clear

1922
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 2: to the American public. He was not only with it,

1923
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:19,560
Speaker 2: but he still had a killer instinct, and it culminated

1924
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 2: in one of the most famous moments in American political history.

1925
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Speaker 4: Let's watch your question to President Reagan.

1926
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 11: Mister President, I want to raise an issue that I

1927
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 11: think has been lurking out there for two or three

1928
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 11: weeks and cast it specifically in national security terms. You

1929
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 11: already are the oldest president in history, and some of

1930
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 11: your staff say you were tired after your most recent

1931
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 11: encounter with mister Mondale. I recall yet, that President Kennedy

1932
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:45,679
Speaker 11: had to go for days on end with very little

1933
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 11: sleep during the Cuba missile crisis. Is there any doubt

1934
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 11: in your mind that you would be able to function

1935
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 11: in such circumstances.

1936
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Speaker 6: Not at all, mister trud and I, and I want

1937
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 6: you to know that also, I will not make age

1938
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:00,680
Speaker 6: an issue of this campaign. I am not going to

1939
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:06,520
Speaker 6: exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience.

1940
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 2: That was it even made his opponent laugh. Country loved it,

1941
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 2: and he won one of the biggest victories in history.

1942
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 2: Of course, maybe that shouldn't have been enough, though, because

1943
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 2: when Reagan left office, he abruptly retired from public lie

1944
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 2: and he had been suffering from the onset of Alzheimer's

1945
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 2: or dementia.

1946
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Speaker 3: There are a lot of questions about that.

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Speaker 2: The facts are still unclear, as the Reagan family still

1948
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Speaker 2: today smarts at any suggestion that he did so while

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Speaker 2: in office, but the.

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Speaker 3: Example remains apt.

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Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan when he left office was seventy seven years

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Speaker 2: and three hundred and forty nine days old.

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Speaker 3: That was on the day he left.

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Speaker 2: Biden, on the other hand, was seventy eight years and

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Speaker 2: sixty one days old the day he took the oath

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Speaker 2: of office, extraordinarily old from day one and years later.

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Speaker 2: He is asking us to entrust him not with one

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Speaker 2: or two more years of some ceremonial chairman emeritus role,

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Speaker 2: but the most powerful and demanding job in the world.

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Speaker 2: Consider what most Americans at Biden's age are actually The

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Speaker 2: average age of a nursing home patient in the US

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Speaker 2: today is eighty one years old, one year younger than

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Speaker 2: the age he would be when he starts his second term.

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Speaker 2: I often joke that people should take a look at

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Speaker 2: actuarial tables, and I decided to do it myself. Statistics

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Speaker 2: compiled by the Social Security Administration today, at age eighty,

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Speaker 2: President Biden has a four point seven percent chance of

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Speaker 2: dying in one year. At eighty two, the year that

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Speaker 2: he would be sworn in for his second term, he

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Speaker 2: has a five point eight percent chance of death.

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Speaker 3: The next year.

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Speaker 2: After that, he would six point five percent chance, a

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Speaker 2: seven point four percent chance a year after, an eight

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Speaker 2: point three chance to the next, and a whopping nine

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Speaker 2: point three percent chance of death his last year in office.

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Speaker 2: I understand this is very morbid, and to be clear,

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Speaker 2: I hope nothing but the best for him. I hope

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Speaker 2: he lives a long and a prosperous life. If he

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Speaker 2: were retired in a nursing home like many people's age,

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Speaker 2: it wouldn't matter, But it does matter when he has

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Speaker 2: to make the most important decisions in the world.

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Speaker 3: Note.

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Speaker 2: I too, have discussed the probability here of only death,

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Speaker 2: which is incredibly high in the ninth decade of life

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Speaker 2: for most Americans. But what about mental fitness like dementia?

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Speaker 2: Here the statistics are also troubling. The risk of dementia

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Speaker 2: grows exponential from age seventy. Only about five percent of

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Speaker 2: adults between seventy to seventy nine years old have dementia,

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Speaker 2: sixteen percent of those adults beten ages of eighty and

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Speaker 2: eighty nine have it, and twenty two percent of adults

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Speaker 2: from age eighty five to eighty nine. In other words,

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Speaker 2: given his age, he already has nearly a one to

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Speaker 2: five chance of having dementia if he doesn't already, and

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Speaker 2: every day he gets closer to eighty six, his risk

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Speaker 2: goes exponential. That's just dementia. What about the odds are

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Speaker 2: just being in reasonably good health. Already at age eighty,

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Speaker 2: Biden has less than a fifty percent chance of being

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Speaker 2: in reasonably good health. If you look at overall population data,

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Speaker 2: as you can tell, the risk of remaining so and

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Speaker 2: not developing critical illness dramatically increases over time. By eighty six,

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Speaker 2: when you would have left office, the odds of having

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Speaker 2: no serious illness are less than twenty percent. Once again,

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Speaker 2: I understand this can sound callous, but let me tell

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Speaker 2: you something that people who work in the medical field

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Speaker 2: all know. There is a titan difference between being in

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Speaker 2: your seventies and being in your eighties, you don't even

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Speaker 2: have to ask me. Look at this clip of Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden from twenty seventeen on the View when he was

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Speaker 2: just seventy five years old, and you have.

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Speaker 4: Said that if Bo hadn't gotten sick, you would have

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Speaker 4: you regret?

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Speaker 1: Not right?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't was the right thing to do for

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Speaker 3: me and for my family.

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Speaker 12: And look, I both wanted me to run, and Hunt

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Speaker 12: and Ashley they all did. And when Bo passed, Hunt

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Speaker 12: called a family meeting and said, look, will Biden's always

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Speaker 12: do better under pressure? And why don't we use this

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Speaker 12: as a way to rally and stick together and fight

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Speaker 12: through this. And so about August, I said, okay, I'm

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Speaker 12: gonna go look at it.

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Speaker 9: I'll look at it.

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Speaker 12: And I went out to go to the Merri Denver,

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Speaker 12: who's a great friend and a supporter, wanted me to run.

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Speaker 12: And it's still there. And I landed a Buckley Air

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Speaker 12: Force Base and military base, and I got off the plane.

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Speaker 12: Make a long story, not quite so long. There was

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Speaker 12: a whole group of military guys and went in as

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Speaker 12: a ropeline. I ran over to shake hands, tell them

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Speaker 12: how much I appreciate them.

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Speaker 2: He's not the same man. I've got eyes and ears.

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Speaker 2: As to most of you, it's not fun to think

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Speaker 2: about this, and that's a movie story. But people near

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Speaker 2: their last years in life, they have a responsibility to

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Speaker 2: themselves and to others. You got to be honest about

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Speaker 2: your limitations. Biden and the media, they don't even want

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Speaker 2: to talk about this when you have nearly a ten

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Speaker 2: percent chance of natural death, when you have the most

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Speaker 2: important job in the world. I would venture to say

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Speaker 2: it's one of the most important things for us to consider.

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Speaker 2: Do with this information what you will, but you at

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Speaker 2: least should have it. I mean, this is the thing

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Speaker 2: I was trying to say. It's like people think seventy

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Speaker 2: five to eighty doesn't sound all that different, but again,

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Speaker 2: look at the actually and.

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