1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: All right, second hour play and Buck kicks off right now, 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: and things are. 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: Well, They've been heating up for a while. 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 1: They're getting really hot off the coast of Venezuela. A 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: US armada not only prepared for further action like what 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: we have seen against those Narco. 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 2: Boats which are getting. 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: Blown up in Secretary of warhead Set says that is 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 1: going to continue. But now we have an addition to 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: this of seizures of oil tanker. We have the US 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: has seized an oil tanker in the Caribbean, Venezuela, Venezuelan 12 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: oil tanker. And this is a big deal because this, 13 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: more than anything else, is the lifeblood of the Venezuelan 14 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: Majuro regime. So we already have this build up play 15 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: of forces in the Caribbean. Trump has been saying repeatedly 16 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: and for weeks now, Maduro's days are numbered. Maduro's got 17 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: to go. There have been reports even of efforts to 18 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: get Maduro to leave the country, but the guarantees that 19 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: the Trump administration has been willing to give them have 20 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: been insufficient to get Maduro to agree to this so far, 21 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: at least that's what the reporting is. And now you 22 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: have the US grabbing ninety percent of the Venezuelan government's budget. 23 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 2: Essentially is oil exports. It really is. 24 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: It is a true economic one trick pony. It's oil 25 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: exports and then it's drugs. That's what Venezuela is exporting 26 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: right now, drugs and oil. The oil is like a 27 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: heavy crude that requires some pretty extensive refining as I 28 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: understand it, and even more importantly than that, it also 29 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: is under sanctioned. So it's only getting sold to Chinese, 30 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: mostly getting sold to the Russians. I know they have 31 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: a lot of oil, but you know they'll take it 32 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: at a huge discount. It's getting sold essentially to countries 33 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: that are willing to skirt, evade, or just ignore US 34 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:24,399 Speaker 1: sanctions in different ways there. So we seized an oil 35 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: tankers like fast rope guys down there's photos of this. 36 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: We just took this oil tanker and said that it 37 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: is a part of our sanctions against the Venezuelan regime. 38 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: We have twenty two strikes against boats in the region 39 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: clay eighty people narco traffickers killed in those strikes, and 40 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: now we have the US seizing oil tankers from Venezuela. 41 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: This will not take long the Venezuelan economy is already 42 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: teetering on the I mean, it's effectively ruined. It has 43 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: been ruined by Maduro, by the socialist no shock there, and. 44 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: It seems pretty clear to me at this point. 45 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: I don't think it's going on on a limit. All 46 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: that Trump's policy here is regime change in Venezuela. Now 47 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean US troops or any kind of 48 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: a ground invasion, but Trump has also not ruled out 49 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: targeted air strikes, essentially missile strikes, perhaps bombers coming off 50 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 1: of aircraft carriers, drones going after ground assets in Venezuela. 51 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: We might be in the regime change business here very 52 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: soon because seizing oil tankers, you only have to do 53 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: this a few times before the Venezuela and all of 54 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: a sudden, the coffers are just dry in Venezuela. 55 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: They got nothing left. 56 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you pointed out something significant here which 57 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: the climate change people seem to have to a large 58 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 3: extent kind of vanished. But when they were not allowing 59 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 3: us at least they're not making as sendent arguments that 60 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: are winning right now, when they were not allowing us 61 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: to explore oil and gas to a large degree in 62 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: this country, and they were trying to limit how much 63 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: we could produce here. They were instead allowing other countries 64 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: which produce oil and gas, as you said, in a 65 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 3: much less refined and clean way that is actually far 66 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: more detrimental to the overall environment. We were having to 67 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 3: buy the oil from them. So even on their own 68 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: goals here, they were morons. I do think that the 69 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 3: question of what should happen in Venezuela, I don't know 70 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 3: if you read the story the exiled woman who got 71 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 3: the Nobel Peace Prize and said I'm accepting this partly 72 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 3: on behalf of Donald Trump. She had to be snuck 73 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: out of the country. Did you see that story is 74 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: really kind of an amazing story about how they snuck 75 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 3: her out of the country. They notified the United States 76 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 3: of what vessels she was going to be in, so 77 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 3: we didn't strike it, thinking that it might be a 78 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 3: Narco boat. And there's also reports that we provided cover 79 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: for her when she was overseas to keep Venezuela from 80 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 3: being able to come and try to seize her. On 81 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: that boat. She went to I believe Cursow and then 82 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: caught a plane there. 83 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 2: To fly to. 84 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 3: Fly to accept the Nobel Peace Prize and be able 85 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 3: to speak there. But so the question is if we 86 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: remove Maduro, to what extent will that regime change look like? 87 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 3: And when I say we remove Maduro, I think there's 88 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 3: just a hope at this point that due to the 89 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: threats that we have brought to bear, that he will 90 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 3: decide to voluntarily relinquish power. And then how much of 91 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: a power vacuum does exist in Venezuela. Regime change A 92 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 3: lot of people out there, probably listening to us right now, 93 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 3: are going to point out does not always go fantastically 94 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 3: well for the United States. So I believe there are 95 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: twenty three million Venezuelans. How many people do you think 96 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 3: of Venezuelan descent are An America? 97 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 4: Now? 98 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 3: A million or more I would think, certainly, right that 99 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 3: have fled that country because they are so angry over 100 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: what has happened there. And we talk about inflation here, 101 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 3: the rates of inflation in Venezuela are right now unlike 102 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 3: anything you can even possibly comprehend. 103 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: There's one hundred thousand Venezuelans to one hundred and fifty 104 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: thousand Venezuelans just here in mind. I mean Venezuelan Americans 105 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: or you know, immigrants just here in Miami. 106 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, maybe the number is not a million, 107 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 3: but I would think it's close. I mean, hundreds of 108 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 3: thousands of people have fled Venezuela to come to the 109 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 3: United States. 110 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: Eight hundred thousands close, not too bad. 111 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 3: How many of those people would be willing to go 112 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 3: back to Venezuela potentially if we were able to have 113 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: some form of sustained, not crazy left wing leadership. 114 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: It reminds me of when you talk to Iranians who 115 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: remember what it was like really under the Shaw period 116 00:06:55,160 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: and before the Komani An Iranian Islamic Revolution to took over. 117 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: It's a great culture, a great country with fantastic people. 118 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: Everything should be overall going very well there. For this 119 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: is one of the things that you see here, Clay. 120 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: It's one thing for a country like Nicaragua to fall 121 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: into the grips of, say, of communism, because look, it's 122 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: gonna be tough. There's not a lot of not a 123 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: lot of natural resources. You know, there's not a tremendous 124 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: amount of advantage in that in that geography, just just 125 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: as a as a place to set up a country 126 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: It's like the old sid Meyer civilization game that I 127 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: love so much as a kid, Like you got to 128 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: pick where you put your city, and you want it 129 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: to be near a river, and you want it to 130 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: be near farmland. 131 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 5: You know. 132 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: Nicaragua's a pretty place, but it's not sitting on one 133 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: of the largest proven oil reserves in the world. Yes, 134 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: Venezuela is in the Western Hemisphere. Should have a fantastic 135 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: relationship with America and Canada and you know, all the 136 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: big players in the region, and it should have a 137 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: high quality of standard of living. You know, it should 138 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: be like Latin American Norway. Yeah, another place that has 139 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: huge now you know, oil and gas reserves and has 140 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: created you know, a really big essentially national trust fund 141 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: for everybody to fund a lot of things. And instead 142 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: it's a total economic basket case. It's actually kind of 143 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: a hell hole. You know, the Majuro regime has worked 144 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: with We hear about Trenda Aragua. It's a prison gang 145 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: and now they have not only gangs that run all 146 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: the prisons, which you can imagine. If you're an opposition 147 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: figure Clay, you get arrested, you go into one of 148 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: the prisons run by a prison gang that, oh, by 149 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: the way, is supported by the actual government. Think about 150 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: what that's yeah, and controls the smuggling roots for the 151 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: drugs and engages in acts of political violence, assassination, and 152 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: all kinds of horrific oppression to silence opposition voices. It's 153 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: like an anarcho tyranny state right now. That's what's going on. 154 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: And Trump is just saying, We're going to tighten the 155 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: screws until this thing collapses. 156 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 3: We'll play this, by the way, in a sec Trump saying, 157 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: we seize the tanker on the coast of Venezuela. But 158 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: before we play that, I was reading an article and 159 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 3: I think it is significant that there are tons of 160 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 3: tankers of oil that are currently out to see that 161 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 3: are having difficulty being delivered anywhere because Russia is obviously 162 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 3: trying to sell on the black market tons of oil 163 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 3: and gas, and so is Venezuela. And the pressure that 164 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 3: the Trump administration has brought to bear means that China, 165 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 3: for instance, in India, are not taking that illicit oil 166 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 3: and gas at the same level that they were before, 167 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 3: which is weakening the overall power of Maduro. But also 168 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: in theory putin from an economic perspective. Here, by the way, 169 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: is Trump. This is cut thirty saying, hey, by the way, 170 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 3: you heard we did this. We seized a tanker of 171 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,479 Speaker 3: oil and gas off the coast of Venezuela. 172 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: Cut thirty. 173 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 6: Well, thank you very much. It's been an interesting day 174 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 6: from the same point of news. As you probably know, 175 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 6: We've just seed a tanker on the coast for Venezuela 176 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 6: large tanker, very large, largest whatever. Scenes action and other 177 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 6: things are happy. 178 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, it's a very Trump thing. Other 179 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: things are happening. 180 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got the biggest armada the Caribbean has. 181 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: I don't know if there's ever been a bigger one. 182 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 2: I mean maybe you have to go back to World 183 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: War One or MISSI get way back in the day. 184 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: But you you have a massive military build up in 185 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: the Caribbean, not a place we usually think of is 186 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: where you know with Persian Gulf. Yes, Caribbean not as much. 187 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: Something's definitely going on and and a secondary component of 188 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: all this clay and this definitely is going to get 189 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: the attention of a lot of our South South Florida listeners. 190 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 5: Uh. 191 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: Cuba is also so just scraping along, just barely. The 192 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: regime there just barely able to make it all keep going. 193 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: And they're they're dependent on getting essentially free oil or 194 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: highly subsidized oh yeah, in the Venezuelan regime, and they 195 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: do effectively a barter of sorts where Venezuela sends Cuba 196 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: oil and Cuba sends Venezuela some doctors, some security thugs 197 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: by the way, because they're all trained by the KGB 198 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: and the Soviets, so you know, they know that business. 199 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: They they are very close as well to a regime 200 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: that is effectively economically frozen in place. So I mean 201 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: more so than Cuba already has been for fifty years. 202 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: So we're gonna see where this goes. We're gonna it's 203 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: like when Trump says, we're gonna We're gonna look at that. 204 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna look at it. I think there's a very 205 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: good chance that Maduro is going to be gone within 206 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: six months, and that's a pretty wide latitude. It might 207 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: even be more like two or three months. 208 00:11:58,559 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, And again, what I would say, if you're out 209 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 3: there and you say I don't care what goes on 210 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 3: in Venezuela, I think what would happen if we could 211 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 3: have a sane government in Venezuela is the overall price 212 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 3: of oil and gas would continue to come down pretty substantially. 213 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 3: And if you're out there concerned about cost of goods, 214 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 3: then the cost of goods relating to shipping, whether it's 215 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 3: diesel fuel for people out there driving trucks, or any 216 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 3: product that's being effectively shipped anywhere around the world that 217 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 3: allows a higher profit margin when the cost of shipping 218 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: comes down. And anybody out there who has ever been involved, 219 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 3: as I have been, in selling retail goods through the mail, 220 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 3: the amount of cost of shipping will blow your mind. 221 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 2: Is what we deal with with Crockett. Let's just be honest. 222 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: Just shipping people coffee is an expensive problem, no doubt, 223 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: and always trying to find ways to do it at 224 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: the best cost so that we don't have to pass 225 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: those costs on to cost on to customers. So ye, 226 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: shipping is a big piper. Think about this. Venezuela is 227 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: sending its oil to China. Yes, that's I mean, think 228 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: about the cost of that shipment for that oil which 229 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: is already, like. 230 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 2: I said, it's a very heavy crude. 231 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: And then on top of it, there's the sanctions and 232 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: then on top of it, you've got. 233 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 2: To send it all the way. 234 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: You know, Venezuela should be operating at maximum capacity selling 235 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: oil right here into the US or right you know, 236 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: right into all around Latin America. 237 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: But communism can destroy anything. This is what people. 238 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: Communism is a virus, and when the virus takes hold 239 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: and replicates, it will kill the host every time. And 240 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: on top of all that, buck we have a lot 241 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: of interest with American corporate I think it's Chevron has 242 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: a huge stake and they've to a large extent, tried 243 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: to seize all the American assets inside of those companies 244 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: the foreign assets. 245 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 2: So this is something worth paying attention to. I think 246 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: you're right. 247 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: I think it's going to happen, maybe by the end 248 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 3: of the year, maybe by into January. By the way, 249 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 3: news coming out out of Michigan head coach there has 250 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 3: been charged with three criminal elements. They are taking it live, 251 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 3: I think right now in Fox News. Former University of 252 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 3: Michigan football coach Sharon Moore in the jail right now 253 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 3: having a hearing. We'll tell you a little bit about 254 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 3: that when we come back. 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Today is the deadline for guaranteed 276 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 3: delivery by Christmas. That's cozyearth dot com. My name Clay 277 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 3: for forty percent off. 278 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 7: Stories of Freedom, Stories of America, inspirational stories that you 279 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 7: unite us all each day spend time with Clay and 280 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 7: buy find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever 281 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 7: you get your podcasts. 282 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 3: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We appreciate 283 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 3: all of you hanging out with us. It teased that 284 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 3: we would tell you this. This is awful. Obviously from 285 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 3: the University of Michigan. Former head football coach Sharon Moore 286 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 3: is in the middle I believe right now of his 287 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 3: court proceeding in ann Arbor, Michigan, basically the county there, 288 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: Washington Awk County. I believe he's been charged with three 289 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: different offenses, home invasion in the third degree. He was 290 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 3: fired for having an inappropriate relationship with his subordinate and 291 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 3: then we'll play the audio for you because it's pretty 292 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 3: chilling what was alleged by the prosecutor here. He then 293 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 3: went to that assistant's home, invaded that home. She says 294 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 3: he's been stalking her, breaking and entering. He told her 295 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 3: that he was going to kill himself right in front 296 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 3: of her, and that she was going to have his 297 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 3: blood on her hands for saying that they had been 298 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 3: engaged in a relationship. And he has been in jail 299 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 3: for the past two days. The hearing is going on 300 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 3: right now, and that is just an a awful story as. 301 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: This guy went like fatal attraction wacko on a woman 302 00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: he was having relationship. 303 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: That basically is what is being alleged. And the audio 304 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: they have. 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You'll say fifteen percent there at that site. 339 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: We're call eight four four a two four safe eight 340 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: four four eight two four safe. 341 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 3: Welcome Back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show Okay Live. 342 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 3: Video has been airing of former Michigan football coach Sharon 343 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 3: Moore being charged with felonies. Here are the allegations that 344 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 3: were made against him. He was fired on Wednesday, and 345 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 3: then as soon as he was fired, allegedly went to 346 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 3: the woman who he had been having an affair with, 347 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 3: who was his assistant. Again, these are all allegations and 348 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 3: this is what they say happened. He barged into her home, 349 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 3: broken in her She says he's been stalking her, and 350 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 3: this is what is alleged. 351 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: To have occurred. These were the charges brought against him. 352 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 4: As we all now know, defendant works at some point 353 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 4: on Wednesday afternoon fired from his employment. 354 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: He then, at some. 355 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 4: Point soon thereafter, came to her apartment in the address 356 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 4: that is alleged in the complaint, barged his way into 357 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 4: that apartment immediately then proceeded to a kitchen drawer, grabbed 358 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 4: several butter knives and a pair of kitchen scissors, and 359 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 4: began to threaten his own life. I'm going to kill myself. 360 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to make you watch. 361 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 4: My blood is on your hands. You ruined my life, 362 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 4: and a series of very very threatening, intimidating, terrifying, quite 363 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,959 Speaker 4: frankly's statements and behaviors. 364 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: They're in that department. 365 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 3: So he has been charged with several different criminal offenses, 366 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 3: including a felony buck I mean, just it's an awful story. 367 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 3: This guy had a huge, multimillion dollar contract to be 368 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 3: the head coach of the University of Michigan. He had 369 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 3: been there two years. He took over for Jim Harbaugh, 370 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: has three young kids, is married, and his entire life 371 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 3: is basically been blown up since Wednesday when that when 372 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 3: the university says they got evidence of this relationship, they 373 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 3: fired him, and then, to make matters worse, he appears 374 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 3: to have kind of gone off the deep end and again, 375 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 3: according to those allegations, told the girl that he was 376 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: having the relationship with that his blood was on her hands, 377 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 3: and he was going to kill himself in front of her. Now, 378 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 3: there were earlier reports that he may have threatened to 379 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 3: kill her. He hasn't been charged with that, so maybe 380 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 3: there wasn't evidence so that same way, But what a mess. 381 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 2: It's a mess. 382 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: I something that first of all, nobody was my understanding, right, 383 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: nobody was actually physically harmed. 384 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 2: In this right, correct, that's my understanding. 385 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: Sometimes these situations have a very tragic ending that can 386 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: never be undone. 387 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 2: So nobody was. 388 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: So you know, if you're looking at this, the tragic 389 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: part of this, first of all, the fact this woman 390 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: was obviously terrified as horrible and the threats and all 391 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: of this is it's criminal for good reason. But this 392 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: guy throwing away his career in this way and clearly 393 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: having something of like a psychotic break or some kind 394 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: of a breakdown. Like I don't know anything about this 395 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: guy as as a coach. I'd never heard of him 396 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: until this, so I can't speak to any of that. 397 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: But what I can say is I think he'll probably 398 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: he'll probably take a plea. You and I agree, Yeah, 399 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: I'll take a plea, and he he should check himself 400 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: into a place and say, look, like I recognize I'm 401 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: responsible for my actions. I will pay the consequences, and 402 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: I will go and get help. Because this is a 403 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: guy who needs he needs psychiatric help, he needs, and 404 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: I think that that also gives him the chance in 405 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: the future of at least, you know, some kind of 406 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: a second actor, you know, a a second chance, because 407 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: this did not end with like a murder, suicide or 408 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: something like that, thankfully, But this is the kind of 409 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: rhetoric in this kind of situations that can lead to 410 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: something like that. 411 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 3: And again, he has three young kids and he's married, 412 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 3: so I didn't know that he was married. Yeah, he's 413 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 3: married with three young kids, I think, all under the 414 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 3: age of five ish, So I mean just had a 415 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 3: baby in July. So yeah, his wife and that family. 416 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 3: I mean, you talk about his choices that have blown 417 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 3: up his entire career, but I mean I hope that 418 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 3: he has been able to save money and take care 419 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 3: of that family, because I don't know what kind of 420 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 3: job he's going to be able to get in his 421 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 3: chosen profession. He's thirty nine years old, so he's not 422 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 3: that old of a guy. He's got to go back 423 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 3: to work at some point as coach at Michigan. Oh probably, 424 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 3: I don't know, if it was public, maybe pretty sure, great, 425 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 3: probably five or six million dollars might bet And it's 426 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 3: a multi year guaranteed code contract. They fired him for cause. 427 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 3: For people out there who don't know the difference between 428 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 3: being fired for cause and without cause, in college athletics 429 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 3: or most contracts in general, if you have a multi 430 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 3: year contract, then you're just fired. You would get paid 431 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 3: out all those money. So you hear people talk buck 432 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 3: about some of these buyouts that coaches get. You get 433 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 3: fired and then they have to cut you a check 434 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 3: for tens of millions of dollars. So when they fire 435 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 3: you four cause, your paycheck ends immediately. So he is unemployed, 436 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 3: he is making no money. He now is facing felony charges. 437 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 3: He's got, you know, two weeks before Christmas, he's got 438 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 3: three young kids, and he basically lit his entire life 439 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 3: on fire. 440 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: There's no reporting on you obviously follow the story a 441 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: lot more closer than I have. Is there any reporting 442 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: on did he have a previous substance abuse or psychiatric history? 443 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 2: I aware of not that I've seen. 444 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 3: And by the way, the University of Michigan, there are 445 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 3: reports that they knew that he had, that he was 446 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 3: dealing with some mental health struggles. They fired him one 447 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 3: on one without any mental health counselors. Pregnant reportedly, so 448 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 3: President yes. So as soon as he was fired, reports 449 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 3: are that he basically went straight to this woman's house. 450 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 3: So I think the University of Michigan's firing process may 451 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 3: well come into question here too, because obviously he's responsible 452 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 3: for everything. 453 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: He was fired for the affair with the assistant, and 454 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: then he went great, that's exactly right, and he went 455 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: to the assistants home. And the reports are that the 456 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: assistant went public I mean meaning she went to the 457 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: University of Michigan and said they had investigated this before 458 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 1: and everybody had denied that there was any relationship going on. 459 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to change that. She says, 460 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: maybe he was stalking her, but she made the decision 461 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 1: to go to the University of Michigan and provide proof 462 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: of this relationship because she was his subordinate. Can't do that, 463 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: and so they were firing him for that, which would 464 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: have been a disaster for his family regardless, right as 465 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: soon as this went public. But then to layer on 466 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: top of it the felonies and the fact that he's 467 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: been in prison for the past two days. I can't 468 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: even imagine. Whatever mental health issues he may have had before, 469 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: I would imagine have only been exacerbated by two years 470 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: in prison with everybody out there talking about the choices 471 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: that you made in life. But to your point, the 472 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: positive is here, nobody was injured, there was no you, 473 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: There was no violent act at least that has been 474 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: alleged so far that led to anything there. Now, certainly 475 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 1: this girl, I mean a guy storming into her apartment 476 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: and saying allegedly that he was going to kill herself 477 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: and the blood was going to be on her hands is. 478 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 2: Interesting. 479 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 3: We've got a reporter there for OutKick says that Sharon 480 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 3: Moore is now going to postpond. He will get a 481 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 3: GPS tether attached to him, and his attorney is saying 482 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 3: that he doesn't know necessarily where his client will go. 483 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: But to your point, Buck, he's going to mental health. 484 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 2: It's going to be a second I. 485 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 3: Would think a mental health facility would probably be its place. 486 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: It's not going to be an insanity defense. Obviously, that can't, 487 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: which is very you know, all you do is watch 488 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: Law and Order and you find out that insanity defense 489 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: is actually very hard to mount unless someone's really really crazy. 490 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: But it will be a mitigating factor if he's willing 491 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: to take a plea. So he's going to have a record, 492 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: and obviously he's lost his job and his reputation is 493 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: dramatically damaged, but you know, it could have been worse, 494 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: and hopefully I think it let him. 495 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 3: By the way, buck you were asking about contract, I 496 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 3: think he had thirteen million dollars left on his contract, 497 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 3: so he just. 498 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: For immediately lose his wife too, wife and the kids. 499 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: It's like, well, you know, this is the thing I 500 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: don't like to do the moral of the story, But 501 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: moral of a story, don't sleep with your assistant, and 502 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: definitely don't sleep at your assistant if you're married. Okay, 503 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 1: it's bad enough if you're not married with kids, but 504 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: you're married with kids, don't sleep at the assistant. 505 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: Don't do that. 506 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 3: He was making six point one million dollars, so he 507 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 3: had two years left on his deal, so right around 508 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 3: thirteen million dollars that is void. And anyway, I hope 509 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 3: for the kid's sake that he had saved some of 510 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 3: the money that he's made. But he's only been a 511 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 3: head coach for a couple of years, so you can 512 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 3: make a decent salary as an assistant coach. As many 513 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 3: of you probably have recognized, those salaries have gone up, 514 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 3: but not necessarily crazy life changing money like you make 515 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 3: as a head coach and so yeah, this is a 516 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 3: it's a mess of a situation, and it's a major 517 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 3: story out there that everybody is covering right now. 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Inspirational stories that you 547 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 7: unite us all each day spend time with Clay and Boy. 548 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 7: Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you 549 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 7: get your podcasts. 550 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,239 Speaker 2: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. 551 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 3: We'll get into some of what Tim Wall said here 552 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 3: coming up in a little bit. But David in Minneapolis 553 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 3: wants to weigh in. David, what you got for us? 554 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 5: Hey, guys, I'm not excusing his behavior. He's culpable for 555 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 5: what he did. He should be punished. But this happens 556 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 5: all the time. Some females starts screwing around with some 557 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 5: guy that's her superior or whatever, they get busted. She 558 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 5: knows that he's married, has kids. She knows that if 559 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 5: people find out, he's gonna lose his job. And what 560 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 5: does she do the second that things go south? She 561 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 5: throws him under the bus. She'll probably keep her job, 562 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 5: she'd probably sue as a state and take money away 563 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 5: from his kids. So let's not make this woman out 564 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 5: to be some little victim. Yeah, she's a victim. I don't. 565 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 2: I don't think either. 566 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: Just to be sure, well, hold aloe John and I 567 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: or hold on second, David, I don't. 568 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 2: I don't. 569 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to interrupt you, but I do want 570 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: to say I was I mean, this is buck talking. 571 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: I was expressing sympathy for the wife and children of 572 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: this guy. I never said anything about you know, I'm 573 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: happy this woman wasn't harmed, obviously, but no one's crying 574 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: tears for her for the affair. 575 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you're right that she knew what she 576 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 3: was engaging in too. I mean he's a married coach, 577 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 3: and uh, I actually think she would probably lose her 578 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 3: job too. 579 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 2: Maybe you're right. 580 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: I know he's right in a lot of these situations, 581 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: this is this is true. We didn't really start to 582 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: your point, David, we didn't really get into this aspect 583 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: of it. But you know there's a lot of uh, look, 584 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I brought up the Harvey Weinstein thing before, 585 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: for example, specifically with Gavin Newsom's wife. Harvey Weinstein's defense 586 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: in that specific situation was they had a long standing 587 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: relationship and that it was essentially transactional, as in, she had, 588 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: you know, a sexual relationship with Harvey Weinstein, and he 589 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: gave her movie Roles, et cetera, which quid pro quo 590 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: sexual harassment. 591 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 2: Now, this is what the defense said. 592 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: But he was not convicted in that trial, which was 593 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: the interesting point I was trying to that that trial 594 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: he was actually not found guilty. But in this case, 595 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: sometimes if you're the assistant, you know, you're lower down 596 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: the chain of command and a business, your boss there, 597 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: his career is annihilated. But if you're the you know, 598 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: the office vixen and you're enticing and everything else, that doesn't. 599 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 3: Should get In my opinion, she should certainly get fired too. 600 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 3: But you may be right, the caller may be right 601 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 3: that the University of Michigan will pay out some sort 602 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 3: of settlement to or uh, but. 603 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: Doesn't sexual harassment law usually work in a way where 604 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: if you're the subordinate employee and a female. 605 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 2: I also think it's a little sexist with it. 606 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: Well, but if you're the subordinate female except for that 607 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: movie with Michael Douglass and to me more where everyone's 608 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: like really Michael Douglas like it's that you know. 609 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, dilusion disclosure back in the day. Well, so I 610 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 3: actually I don't know if you know this. I actually 611 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 3: did sexual harassment seminars for a WAPLE. I've done this before, 612 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 3: so you know you have hostile work environment and quid 613 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 3: pro quo sexual harassment. But usually sexual harassment claims are 614 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 3: not brought when there's an actual relationship. It's that someone 615 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 3: is trying to say, hey, if you do this, I'll 616 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 3: give you this. If or you know, you're making someone's 617 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 3: job uncomfortable by harassing them. There that's sexual harassment the U. 618 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 3: And in that situation, certainly the victim can get paid out, 619 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 3: the boss can lose his job. But where as here 620 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 3: presumably there was a consensual relationship. I'm not talking about 621 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 3: the morals of it. I'm talking she agreed to sleep 622 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 3: with him and they were sleeping together. I think he 623 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 3: gave her a raise. That's the allegation out there. They 624 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 3: previously all denied the relationship. They were investigated for this, 625 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 3: and then she just decided to, according to reports, nark 626 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 3: him out. 627 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 2: Now. 628 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 3: I don't know what occurred that would have allowed that 629 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 3: to happen. I don't understand why at all she should 630 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 3: benefit in any way from this. She look his situation, 631 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 3: he lost a thirteen million dollar contract, he's married, he's 632 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 3: got three kids. This is a disaster for him. Yeah, 633 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 3: but why in the world she knew what she was doing, right, 634 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 3: She consented to a relationship until maybe and we don't 635 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 3: know what happened. Well, the real thing is, what if 636 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 3: he broke it off and said, hey, this is a 637 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 3: totally wrong decision. I can't do this anymore. I'm just 638 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 3: speculating he broke it off. Something set her off for 639 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 3: some reason. She went from denying they had a relationship 640 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 3: reportedly to now saying, hey, we did have a relationship 641 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 3: and they fired him. What changed that would have led 642 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 3: that to occur. Maybe she broke it off and he 643 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 3: was stalking her. Who knows what's going on? What the 644 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 3: impetus was, But my point is just you shouldn't. 645 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 2: I don't think. 646 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 3: I don't think she should be able to keep her job. 647 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 3: I certainly don't think the University of Michigan should pay 648 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 3: her off. I bet they end up doing it, but 649 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 3: she shouldn't profit, I guess, is what I'm saying. Off 650 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 3: of this situation. He certainly is not. 651 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: Kevin from New York City listens on w o R 652 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: send us a talkback. I think he's telling Clay to 653 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: lay off the rose hit it. 654 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 8: I think Clay might need a stronger dose of cracket 655 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 8: coffee because just in the last segment, he said pregnant 656 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 8: instead of present, he said two years in prison instead 657 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 8: of two days, and he said gonna kill herself instead 658 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 8: of himself. Maybe a stronger dose of cracket coffee or 659 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 8: maybe my boy the weekend because he's selling He's selling 660 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 8: our coffee for us, so we appreciate. 661 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 2: I do. Maybe I do need more coffee. 662 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 3: I'm trying to make sure that I get all the 663 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 3: facts right, and evidently I got them all wrong. 664 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 2: So there. 665 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: I'm also impressed though at I mean, it sounds like 666 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: he's sitting there taking. 667 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 3: Notes as Yeah, I mean, well, the audience out there 668 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 3: is on top of it. So yes, all those details. 669 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,479 Speaker 3: Evidently if I got them wrong, I got them wrong, 670 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 3: and we did have a fun night last night. So 671 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 3: maybe that's the reason, although I think it's probably just. 672 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: I also love I also love our boss Julie, Yes, 673 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,280 Speaker 1: who is super fun at PARTI just a great, great company. 674 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: But calling me out saying, oh, you stayed up past 675 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: your bedtime because it's ten o'clock, totally true. I do 676 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 1: not nine o'clock, nine thirty. I turn into a pumpkin 677 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm done, I gotta go home. Julie is 678 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: great our boss. I have never seen her be the 679 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: first to leave any party. I think I've only seen 680 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: her be at the very end of every party that 681 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: I've ever been to in our entire radio career. She 682 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: is incredible. She and her husband Michael, they took us 683 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: to the Kentucky Derby just recently, but she is everywhere. 684 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 2: Some of the Florida are Florida media friends. They have 685 00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 2: a little name for me. 686 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: They call me exit Buck because I'm usually the first 687 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 1: one out and they catch me when I do the selfie. 688 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: You got to get the good selfie at the party 689 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: so that you shared and everyone's like, oh, yeah, like 690 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: you were. It's like proof that you were there and 691 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: that you were having fun. But I usually don't last 692 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: man like loudness music. I'm like, baby speed, it's too 693 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: much for me. But I stayed out till ten pm 694 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: Eastern time last night. I think that's the latest I've 695 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: been out. I don't know, a long time, A long time, 696 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: and I walked home slowly. If I had driven Clay, 697 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 1: I would have stayed under the speed limit the whole time. 698 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 3: Well, I don't doubt it because you're driving Miss Daisy. 699 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 3: I guess who was the Morgan Freeman that was the 700 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 3: driver of Miss Daisy. 701 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: I never saw that movie, but it is a cultural 702 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, touchdown, Yes, more coming up, stick around, Ryan 703 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: Gardusky