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Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. Producer Sapreb said, We're going to open
Speaker 1: with some Christmas music today? Is that Christmas music? I
Speaker 1: think that's what I've not heard because where's jingle bells
Speaker 1: or something? Rudolf or something that sounded like bells? There
Speaker 1: are bells, yeah, but I don't that's not the Christmas
Speaker 1: music I was listening to as I was making my
Speaker 1: way in today. If that indeed that isle, Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you got jingle bells, I would prefer be What was that?
Speaker 1: Was that? The Manheim Express? Right, that's not jingle bells? Hey,
Speaker 1: you gotta give at the times there the new version? Wow?
Speaker 1: What's going on? What we're trying to play? Jingle trying
Speaker 1: to play some Christmas music and producer Supreme is failing miserably.
Speaker 1: That's first song? Nowther like take Panther music. Well, we
Speaker 1: are live inside the sw WBC podcast studio, and I
Speaker 1: was ready to get into the Christmas spirit. And maybe
Speaker 1: maybe Everson Walls, who's voting joining us on location somewhere,
Speaker 1: can get us in the Christmas spirit with his own
Speaker 1: version of jingle bells. Maybe. Okay, Bill, did you get
Speaker 1: my parking space I left for you? I actually barely no,
Speaker 1: I did not get it. In fact, if I would
Speaker 1: have known you weren't going to be in studio today,
Speaker 1: I would have gotten to your spot. But I didn't
Speaker 1: know that. So how you doing, Everson? I'm doing fin
Speaker 1: me man doing sign Just glad I could join you
Speaker 1: guys today. He got a lot of stuff to talk about.
Speaker 1: I know you do. Bill. We missed you yesterday. Well
Speaker 1: I missed you too, had a conflict and Mickey, we
Speaker 1: got a football team arriving on a football field just
Speaker 1: about thirty yards for us, and it will be maybe
Speaker 1: the only real football practice of the week. This is
Speaker 1: Thursday here Thursday, and that's when they would put pads on.
Speaker 1: And both teams had walked through practices yesterday, so anything
Speaker 1: you saw on an injury port was basically a estimation
Speaker 1: of what they would have done if it was a
Speaker 1: real practice. So we'll see how things to go, especially
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. In fact, the projected starting quarterback for the
Speaker 1: Eagles on Saturday was not in Philadelphia yesterday. It's in Starkfield, Mississippi,
Speaker 1: for Mike Leach's funeral. Menshow yeah, of course he played
Speaker 1: for Leech at Washington. May have spoken, I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't didn't see the funeral. Now, what do you mean
Speaker 1: the projected starter projected by some the Eagles? You know,
Speaker 1: little gaymanship going on. I think sirianni oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: He recovers fast, and you know, there's a chance that
Speaker 1: he couldn't play. And if I'm them, I'm saying the
Speaker 1: same thing. All right, Hey, I think he was very
Speaker 1: choosing in his words. Yes, yes, he said I can throw.
Speaker 1: That's what he said. Yeah, basically I can throw. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what he said. You know, I'm sure he could throw.
Speaker 1: But how well can you throw? That's the difference. And
Speaker 1: you know, and if if you're looking at this logically,
Speaker 1: you've got the team that's leading the NFC East, they're
Speaker 1: leading the NFL in record, the NFC and all they
Speaker 1: need to do is win one game in the last
Speaker 1: three and they clinched both things, right, Uh so, uh,
Speaker 1: why would you push the envelope on your h MVP
Speaker 1: supposedly quarterback and send him out there and play when
Speaker 1: he's got a shoulder, a right shoulder. Uh, that probably
Speaker 1: will limit him if he does anything today in practice.
Speaker 1: I ain't buying it. You're buying I can't. I can't
Speaker 1: see them. There's no upside to me here for them
Speaker 1: to let him play, right, Guys, I mean you want
Speaker 1: to go into the playoffs with with Minshew as your
Speaker 1: starting quarterback. But also, uh, you know, I think even
Speaker 1: with the with Menshe playing, I still think now there's
Speaker 1: an outside chance, of course, if Jalen doesn't play, Let's
Speaker 1: say they want to wrest him, and let's say that
Speaker 1: defense has issues within Minshew at quarterback, they could you know,
Speaker 1: drop a game or two, and then it can make
Speaker 1: things a little interesting, right if we especially of course,
Speaker 1: like we talked about yesterday's stay as long as we
Speaker 1: keep winning, as long as we keep taking care of
Speaker 1: business ourselves. So that could be something that can happen.
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know if you want to
Speaker 1: chance your quarterback getting hurt again. You ran in seventeen
Speaker 1: times against the Bears, right, do you want to bring
Speaker 1: him in here to a team that's pretty desperate right
Speaker 1: now to stay, you know, at a certain level in
Speaker 1: the playoff hunt. I mean, we're in the playoffs, but
Speaker 1: we could probably improve ourselves depending on how we finish
Speaker 1: out the Sea. Yeah, And I just don't think they're
Speaker 1: going to take that chance. And if they do play them,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna call seventeen running plays. Right. It might
Speaker 1: be a different story in Philadelphia if the Cowboys had
Speaker 1: beaten Jacksonville on Sunday, no doubt, Yeah, no doubt. Right,
Speaker 1: They've got some cushion now where they can afford to
Speaker 1: rest him a week and or rest him. They could
Speaker 1: afford to rest him three weeks, depending on the severity
Speaker 1: of the injury. Uh yeah, yeah, if they just get
Speaker 1: that one win, it could be at New Orleans the
Speaker 1: next week or the Giants in the last week. And
Speaker 1: think about New Orleans play they play in Philly, Right,
Speaker 1: I think it may be. Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: And think about this. You know how frustrated defensive guys
Speaker 1: get when they're chasing a quarterback they can't catch, because
Speaker 1: if they get them, they're gonna give them a little
Speaker 1: bit extra, right, Right, You take out your frustrations and
Speaker 1: you hit them and you hit them hard and when
Speaker 1: he's running the football, he's got no more protection. Right,
Speaker 1: you ain't sliding if you did so. I mean, I'll
Speaker 1: guarantee you the Cowboy players will be looking at that.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's one of the reasons why in
Speaker 1: the in uh, the NHL, it's upper body and lower
Speaker 1: body injury. That's all you get because they don't want
Speaker 1: anybody to know what's hurting. And if they know the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks got a bad shoulder and he actually they actually
Speaker 1: call a quarterback draw. I'll guarantee you they're piling on
Speaker 1: pretty heavily. And by the way, the Eagles do close
Speaker 1: at home against New Orleans and the Giants two home games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is their Yeah, how did the Cowboys get
Speaker 1: road games like that? Well? The Eagle of this is more. Well,
Speaker 1: the Eagles, this is their third straight road road Yeah.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think every team in the league may
Speaker 1: have a stretch of three straight road games like that
Speaker 1: at some point or the Cowboys just had a stretch
Speaker 1: of three straight home games prior to going to Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: and so they with this seventeen game schedule, you're getting
Speaker 1: that more often now you get But I mean the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are actually they've got three out of four. But yeah,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys don't win this division, which is looks
Speaker 1: like it's going that way right now, the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: going to be playing six of the next six of
Speaker 1: seven on the road. Mickey. Actually, if you count the
Speaker 1: super Bowl, that would be seven seven out of eight
Speaker 1: the road, right, Everson, I thought that bill, And that's good.
Speaker 1: And if they win that first playoff game, and it's
Speaker 1: probably the fourth seeded division winner, right Tampa Bay the
Speaker 1: way it looks right, you win that game, and if
Speaker 1: all the other division Yeah, that's what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: if if the playoffs whole, if the if the top
Speaker 1: seeded teams win, the Cowboys would be potentially playing on
Speaker 1: the No. No, But what I was gonna say is,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to play Philadelphia again? Yeah, you would.
Speaker 1: You would play the top seed. If you're the lone
Speaker 1: wild card team left, You're going to Philadelphia. So um,
Speaker 1: that always brings in, well, you got to sell out
Speaker 1: to win, right Cowboys. Philadelphia doesn't have to show everything
Speaker 1: thinking well we might have to play that team again,
Speaker 1: So it'd be interesting to see how they would go
Speaker 1: against it. But you realize. Uh. Mike McCarthy pointed it out.
Speaker 1: I think after we walked off that you know, they
Speaker 1: they they've prepared for Jalen Hurts, right, so they know
Speaker 1: what they've got there. But Minshew played the last game
Speaker 1: of last year against the Cowboys, so they had to
Speaker 1: prepare for him. Yeah. Well it was fifty one twenty
Speaker 1: six he was. I looked it up. He was nineteen
Speaker 1: of thirty three for one hundred and eighty six yards,
Speaker 1: two touchdowns, one interception, three sacks. UH, with a quarterback
Speaker 1: rating of eighty one point one. But at least he
Speaker 1: has started games. Uh. In the NFL, he's started twenty
Speaker 1: two of the thirty games he's played. UM, and he
Speaker 1: actually thrown UM thirty seven touchdowns and eleven interceptions, so UM,
Speaker 1: not terrible. UM. But this year he's only attempted four passes,
Speaker 1: so he hadn't played a lick. Uh. I have a question.
Speaker 1: I have a question. You kind of you kind of
Speaker 1: slid a little statement right in there. You said, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna play a team two times, you know, almost
Speaker 1: like that then you're saying that, But you said the
Speaker 1: teams are not gonna show everything that they have. Is
Speaker 1: that what you say, Well, I was saying, maybe Philadelphia
Speaker 1: can do that. Are you saying that that teams are tanking?
Speaker 1: Is that? No? No, no, no, no right here. I
Speaker 1: did not use the T word, I know, but believe
Speaker 1: I was saying, if you have some things that you
Speaker 1: want to do that you don't want other teams to
Speaker 1: know those unscouted looks that Mike McCarthy talks about, you
Speaker 1: might save that for the playoffs. Yeah, that sounds like reporter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had was not any any part of my mind
Speaker 1: when I said that, But if you want to bring
Speaker 1: it up, that's fine. By the way, that game you
Speaker 1: mentioned the Cowboys and the Eagles to close out the
Speaker 1: regular season last year, which was, as you mentioned, a
Speaker 1: fifty one to twenty six Cowboys win. Gardner Minshew his
Speaker 1: weapons that he had in that game included Jalen Rager
Speaker 1: at wide receiver who's now a Minnesota Viking punt returner
Speaker 1: basically uh Quez Watkins didn't play in that game, and
Speaker 1: their three third receiver now DeVante Smith, did play in
Speaker 1: that game. They most notably, they did not have a
Speaker 1: guy named a J. Brown on their team. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Miles Sanders didn't play in that game. So but they
Speaker 1: well they had they already clinched a playoff spot? Were
Speaker 1: they were? Am I WRONGU didn't they finished? Like no,
Speaker 1: I was trying to remember. That would take too much
Speaker 1: work to figure that out, right, Well, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: obviously they did make the playoffs yet because they and
Speaker 1: they probably rested and said, okay, we got well they
Speaker 1: finished nine in uh nine eight, nine and eight, so
Speaker 1: they obviously they didn't need the win to make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: as Everson just said. So yeah, absolutely, that was the
Speaker 1: last game of the season. They lost it big and
Speaker 1: uh they lost to Tampa Bay in the first round
Speaker 1: of the playoffs. And as for the Cowboys, they still
Speaker 1: have illness going through that locker. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I go in that locker room. By the way you
Speaker 1: put your mask on, I should. I started sniffling today
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, yeah, I was in that
Speaker 1: damn locker room. You know, Michael Parsons not going to
Speaker 1: be here today. They told him to stay home. He's
Speaker 1: got an illness. And there's a couple other guys that,
Speaker 1: uh that have illnesses in the family. So they're making
Speaker 1: those guys mask up. Um. So yeah, it's just it's
Speaker 1: they they just can't seem to get past all that.
Speaker 1: I think every team and around the country, right and
Speaker 1: every family and yeah, yeah, country is going through this, right,
Speaker 1: and uh, how you think these kids are doing? You
Speaker 1: can go in there all you want, but don't go
Speaker 1: in there and then come back into the studio room. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: that's right. Well we had we had a tour coming through,
Speaker 1: so you can't see that. But and it's a bunch
Speaker 1: of kids too, so so but if I've already had
Speaker 1: the fluid, then I can't get it again, right right? Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't think it works a that's a guble brow
Speaker 1: that takes me back to twenty twenty. That's exactly right. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: I think you couldn't get it for three months, I said.
Speaker 1: Even the NFL followed that, right, thought Marie Cooper didn't
Speaker 1: he have it? And then he didn't have to get vaccinated,
Speaker 1: and then in his whether it was three whatever the
Speaker 1: date was on it, and then late in the season,
Speaker 1: I thought that was COVID. That's what. That's what? Ever?
Speaker 1: Since referring to twenty yeah, okay, yeah, I was looking
Speaker 1: at my notes. I'm sorry you got more notes on that.
Speaker 1: Oh I got a lot of stuff we got to
Speaker 1: talk about today, including and I guess we're I'm trying
Speaker 1: to time the break to where you can go out
Speaker 1: on the two. Okay, I'm trying to time it to
Speaker 1: where you'll get the most benefit from our break by
Speaker 1: seeing what's on the field. Oh, that's right, Because they
Speaker 1: were we're going, are we watching the second hand? The
Speaker 1: second hand? Look like we have got I was going
Speaker 1: to say, we need to pay attention to the court
Speaker 1: cornerback position. Yes, what they're doing there? Because they said
Speaker 1: it was open competition, And as Everson and I talked
Speaker 1: about yesterday, it's like, well, how much open competition can
Speaker 1: you have? Five guys? Right, you got an idea what
Speaker 1: you want to do. Now you're gonna give guys snaps
Speaker 1: what you're thinking you're gonna do. Well, I've got I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and say that Trayvon Diggs will win
Speaker 1: the competition. Yeah, okay, very good, and dron Bland will
Speaker 1: come in second place. Let's be let's be clear. They
Speaker 1: were open competition was only for the number two you
Speaker 1: know what, and it might be for the number three spot. Two.
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Speaker 1: The guest on NFL Network is Gray Shawn Jenkins. Have
Speaker 1: they come out with the Players of the week. Well
Speaker 1: maybe that's why he's on. I don't know. It doesn't
Speaker 1: say that. But they gave all his gloriful stats he
Speaker 1: had in the game. Well, they were what's the story
Speaker 1: on him? Bill? I know you know everything about what's
Speaker 1: the story on my gat? He had eighteen tackles and
Speaker 1: two picks pick six. It's all honey. He's got no
Speaker 1: background on that guy, and the Cowboys didn't either. That's
Speaker 1: why he had such a good game. Now I'm kidding,
Speaker 1: um no, he uh well, he obviously won the AFC
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Week award. They awarded it for
Speaker 1: the first time ever as soon as that game was over. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and ray Sean. Let me find ray Sean here. I'm surprised.
Speaker 1: You don't know if college background, high school football team.
Speaker 1: You know, he was a big free agent pickup from
Speaker 1: the Chargers for them. Okay, okay started fourteen games last
Speaker 1: year for the Jacksonville Jaguars, But people weren't paying attention
Speaker 1: to Jacksonville. There was a different situation to whoever what
Speaker 1: the head coach was. That's exactly right. Yeah, they appeared
Speaker 1: to have cleaned that up, yes, in a major way,
Speaker 1: and Doug Peterson was in The Jaguars were rewarded by
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles. Right, Oh, that's right. You saw that. No,
Speaker 1: what did I They said them, how many cheese steaks?
Speaker 1: No day did not I did for their victory over
Speaker 1: the year. Is that is that? Is that bulletin board material.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna grind that in cheese. You know, that was
Speaker 1: pretty cheeky right there, You know that? Right? Uh huh,
Speaker 1: that's that's real. That's real cheeky. I mean, give me
Speaker 1: a break. That's like that's like, that's apparently that's that's
Speaker 1: bulletin board material forever some walls. Okay, let's get let's
Speaker 1: send some Bray's shoulder uh to uh the bear, you know,
Speaker 1: bray shoulder meat whatever. I mean, come on, we can
Speaker 1: do this all day. Deep deep dish pizzas to Chicago. Micky,
Speaker 1: What did you see all the practice field? I'm very
Speaker 1: hard to tell. They were still in special team or
Speaker 1: individual drills, so yeah, not very much. So what Okay,
Speaker 1: let's sere your specula see what you think, because Everson
Speaker 1: I talked about it yesterday and I thought they did
Speaker 1: it a couple plays in the game on Sunday after
Speaker 1: they decided that Kelvin Joseph they couldn't like put up
Speaker 1: with that any longer when and it was very rare,
Speaker 1: but I thought I saw out there when they went
Speaker 1: maybe two tight ends they kept and two wide receivers,
Speaker 1: they kept Bland as an outside cornerback. And I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: and Everson and I had the discussion yesterday, can can
Speaker 1: one guy like that play two spots in the same game?
Speaker 1: Like if Philadelphia just goes too wide, could you have
Speaker 1: Bland out there on corner and then move them into
Speaker 1: the slot or I believe Mullen and uh Alexander have
Speaker 1: played in the slot. I definitely Alexander as his size. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so that's the determination of whales facts when you
Speaker 1: think about the personnel, right, if you got to if
Speaker 1: you have two tighty or two wide receivers, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a no brainer that you're gonna have brand outside right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I would think so, right right, But and
Speaker 1: then you this is your opportunity to have a safety,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the bigger corners, even just one
Speaker 1: of the bigger corners to cover inside on a tight end,
Speaker 1: you understand. Yeah, And that's what curse problem. And that's
Speaker 1: what curse curse would do. Whichever guy's the best, uh,
Speaker 1: the best receiver of the bunch. But even if they
Speaker 1: go three wide, would they think of just leaving? They
Speaker 1: think Bland's better? And so I mean, I mean Bland
Speaker 1: played sixty five snaps against Jacksonville. Yeah, yeah, and you
Speaker 1: know dis played seventy, so he only miss fights snaps, right,
Speaker 1: So so Joseph, Joseph had thirty seven and right whereas
Speaker 1: right right head nineteen. So they were they combined for
Speaker 1: fifty six snaps. So if you were, if you were,
Speaker 1: if they were in three wide, which which option is
Speaker 1: easiest to help with double coverage? The guy in the
Speaker 1: slot or the guy outside. The guy in the slot
Speaker 1: need more help? Okay, But but you can do that.
Speaker 1: I'm saying you can do it, right. You can do
Speaker 1: it with with what safety? Can you put a safety over?
Speaker 1: You can? And help? With which help you can put
Speaker 1: a safety on him? I wouldn't like to do it, yeah,
Speaker 1: but with help you can't put the safety on him,
Speaker 1: especially somebody like Wilson. You know, he's a little bit smaller,
Speaker 1: maybe a little niftier, right, I wouldn't want to put
Speaker 1: a curse on it on a slot. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: not curse. I was thinking of one of Yeah, depending
Speaker 1: on who the corner was. Uh, you can use Hooker
Speaker 1: right well yeah wo hoo could could stay inside because
Speaker 1: he has the footwork for that. But if you're going
Speaker 1: to get a big man aside, a bigger uh guy,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to go with with some some type
Speaker 1: of help. Because they they did have a couple snaps
Speaker 1: with Nashan Wright he moved into the slot, and I
Speaker 1: can't remember who told me, but someone said that right
Speaker 1: is capable of playing in the slot. Um. So it'd
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how they how they mix it up.
Speaker 1: And a lot of that is whoever's gonna the extra corner,
Speaker 1: who's gonna be eligible, is gonna have to help on
Speaker 1: special teams because although I guess Kelvin Joseph could go
Speaker 1: back to special teams assuming he's active right here, you know,
Speaker 1: we had talked about this guy in a long time.
Speaker 1: This would be a real nice time for him to
Speaker 1: step up and show what he can do. I don't
Speaker 1: know what he's been doing in practice. I hadn't heard
Speaker 1: anything about my boy Marquis Bell. Okay, I've been seeing
Speaker 1: that number forty one appearing on the on the field,
Speaker 1: you know occasionally, you know, somewhere around the ball. Uh
Speaker 1: Is it just out of the realm of possibility because
Speaker 1: he has the ability to get in to make the
Speaker 1: play at all on regular down Bell and Bell got
Speaker 1: six snaps on defense against Jacksonville and all the special
Speaker 1: teams reps the previous one, two, three, four, five games
Speaker 1: he was inactive, active and against Chicago he had fifteen
Speaker 1: snaps on defense and he has totaled twenty two snaps
Speaker 1: on defense this season. So he hadn't had much experience,
Speaker 1: but he is somewhat versatile as a safety. McKenzie Alexander
Speaker 1: is the guy that I could triggued just because of
Speaker 1: his stature. If you're looking, if you if you decide
Speaker 1: to play Bland outside and I'm assuming Alexander, being a
Speaker 1: five ten cornerback, is more suited to play inside. And
Speaker 1: he's got you know, he was at Minnesota start. He
Speaker 1: was the second round pick of the Vikings back in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, who was with Minnesota for four years, got
Speaker 1: signed by Cincinnati, played thirteen games, started ten in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: came back to Minnesota last year, played sixteen games, started
Speaker 1: five games for Minnesota, and coaches on this staff who
Speaker 1: are familiar with his work in Minnesota, so well, he've
Speaker 1: got good footwork, he's got the stature, and so he's
Speaker 1: the guy. Yeah, so he's the guy that might be
Speaker 1: the saving grace for the secondary right now mullin Mullan
Speaker 1: has done it this year, yes, right, exactly right now.
Speaker 1: But he's a six two corner and his skill set
Speaker 1: may not be suited for inside right and the yellow rand.
Speaker 1: What about experience? What kind of experience and his experience
Speaker 1: he can get back over to him. He's also a
Speaker 1: guy who's a second round draft pick of the Raiders
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. Okay, out of Clemson and with the Raiders. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: both of them Clemson, and he started ten games his
Speaker 1: rookie year with the Raiders. He was a sixteen game
Speaker 1: starter his second year in twenty twenty with the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Five starts. Last year with the Raiders and this year
Speaker 1: with Arizona eight games, no starts, and so he was
Speaker 1: he was he was active for eight games, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't active defensive. I'm looking for his snaps now, I
Speaker 1: gotta find the snap counts Arizona this year one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty four snaps on defense and with Vegas last
Speaker 1: year two hundred and twenty nine. So not a lot
Speaker 1: of defensive snaps. But he only played five games. He
Speaker 1: was only healthy for five games last year with Vegas.
Speaker 1: So there's your numbers on them. Those are those are
Speaker 1: the two guys that we don't have enough information on
Speaker 1: because we haven't seen them a game and we can't
Speaker 1: watch him in practice. Yeah. So, but I think that's
Speaker 1: what we know about their experience in the least, and
Speaker 1: that's but those are guys they acquired because they knew
Speaker 1: they needed help, and they needed They knew they needed
Speaker 1: help before what happened in Jacksonville on Sunday. So how
Speaker 1: about this, I just Mike mccarstony kept talking about big plays,
Speaker 1: big play moments, So I went and looked, and they
Speaker 1: consider a big play twenty yards or more runner pass.
Speaker 1: And when he came to big plays. Over this season,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense has fifty eight plays runner pass of
Speaker 1: twenty yards or more. The opponents have thirty six, and
Speaker 1: six of those for touchdowns. Twenty eight of them we're passing.
Speaker 1: I mean twenty eight were passing. Five we're touchdowns. But
Speaker 1: in the last two games, the Cowboys have given up
Speaker 1: eight eight long big plays in other words, and of
Speaker 1: those big plays, seven of them have led to scores,
Speaker 1: and every one of them, including one against Indianapolis the
Speaker 1: game that Brown went out. After he went out, one
Speaker 1: occurred and all the rest in these last two games
Speaker 1: without Anthony Brown on the field. Now I'm not saying
Speaker 1: they were all to his side and whoever was playing there,
Speaker 1: but the six passes of twenty yards or more of
Speaker 1: all occurred or since Anthony Brown went out, So obviously
Speaker 1: they've got to think they've got to do something in
Speaker 1: the secondary to help out and all. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: coincides with these last two games only having one sack,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that I think they had a
Speaker 1: lot to do with it as well. And it definitely
Speaker 1: not just the lack of fat got the lack of
Speaker 1: pressure as well. Yes, absolutely, speaking of Anthony Brown, I
Speaker 1: don't remember if we talked about this by last time
Speaker 1: on the show. On Monday. But you look at the
Speaker 1: Cowboys last eight games, They've got six wins and two losses. Right,
Speaker 1: both losses in overtime, blowing double digit leads. And in
Speaker 1: both those games, Anthony Brown not being out there was
Speaker 1: a big reason why. He had a concussion against green Bay.
Speaker 1: He had a concussion against green Bay, only played twenty
Speaker 1: three snaps and so Kelvin Joseph played forty one snaps
Speaker 1: in that game. And that was the game where Christian
Speaker 1: Watson went off on Dallas for three touchdowns. And so
Speaker 1: then Anthony was back for the Minnesota game, the Giants game,
Speaker 1: and then suffered the achilles injury against Indianapolis, and of
Speaker 1: course that was a blowout win. The next week he
Speaker 1: got Houston and there you know, that was a close game,
Speaker 1: went down to the wire. But Houston's not a threat.
Speaker 1: Jacksonville was a threat, and the secondary got exposed without
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown. And of course they had lost Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: prior to the green Bay game. But those two those
Speaker 1: are the only two losses were and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of cornerback issues in both those games. And this is
Speaker 1: not just a consequence coincidence. I mean, the most big
Speaker 1: plays the Cowboys have given up this year and winning
Speaker 1: game green Bay the second most four in each of
Speaker 1: the last two games. So when everybody's wondering what's going
Speaker 1: on with the defense, Well, you're missing two of your
Speaker 1: top three corners, You're missing Jonathan Hankins in the middle,
Speaker 1: and this last game all but five plays, you're missing
Speaker 1: your leading tackler in Layton Vanderish. And really, you look
Speaker 1: at the difference in where Philadelphia is right now as
Speaker 1: far as the makeup of their entire roster and where
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are right now and the makeup of their roster.
Speaker 1: What's the injuries that have occurred on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the football for the Cowboys in particular right now?
Speaker 1: And with Terren Steele at right tackle also, yes, and
Speaker 1: you've lost Tyrant Smith for the bulk of the season
Speaker 1: until this last week. Is Philadelphia has been healthy. They
Speaker 1: and across the board, I mean, their biggest loss so
Speaker 1: far has probably been Dallas Godder. Well, they've lost Gardner
Speaker 1: Johnson in the secondary. He was playing great with six
Speaker 1: picks and that is the only loss really, and they've
Speaker 1: had a couple on the they have so much depth
Speaker 1: on their defensive line they've had guys like Jordan Davis
Speaker 1: was out for a little bit, but in the meantime
Speaker 1: they signed Sue and Lynville Joseph and Robert quinns on
Speaker 1: Ir hadn't done anything for them yet. So but on
Speaker 1: their offensive line, there's been they've been vert As I
Speaker 1: mentioned the other day, they've only missed two hundred and
Speaker 1: six sixty five snaps from the five projected starters on
Speaker 1: their offensive line this season, while the Cowboys are at
Speaker 1: twelve hundred and forty six miss snaps. Tyrant Smith and
Speaker 1: now Terran Steele goes down absolutely. And now now let's
Speaker 1: let's let's be clear about it also, guys, not only
Speaker 1: are you missing the bodies. Okay, the debt, we have
Speaker 1: the depth, that's okay, but that depth may not have
Speaker 1: the experience well, and it's and back where we get
Speaker 1: lost in the shuffle. We can get guys out there
Speaker 1: who are very capable of playing, but they don't have
Speaker 1: the experience of playing. As starters are getting a lot
Speaker 1: of playing time doing the ball game. Based on all
Speaker 1: of these entries and ever since, it's when you lose
Speaker 1: multiple players at the same position, and that's what's hurt
Speaker 1: the Cowboys at cornerback right now, it's I mean, you
Speaker 1: can sustain. You got enough depth if you have one
Speaker 1: guy go down in one position group, you build your
Speaker 1: team that way. But when you lose two of your
Speaker 1: top three corners, now you're playing cornerbacks were five and
Speaker 1: six on your roster, and the matchup problems continue because
Speaker 1: you don't have that luxury of matchups. You know you're
Speaker 1: going to lose. The matchup problem not just in the
Speaker 1: ability of how they played well you're going up against,
Speaker 1: but also big once again, the experience in the particular
Speaker 1: ball game. In this situation, you got young guys out there.
Speaker 1: You know, come on, now, we talked about to getting
Speaker 1: a little tight. You know, thing start getting tight, you
Speaker 1: started thinking a whole different way. Next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: you have no port and that's what you worry about. Well,
Speaker 1: And to be honest, I mean on the Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 1: draft pick last year, I mean, this is his second
Speaker 1: year and what Trayvon doing his second year as a
Speaker 1: second round draft pick. He went off, that's right, and
Speaker 1: then Nashan Now they had multiple third round picks, and
Speaker 1: admittedly they knew he was a project to coming along.
Speaker 1: But when you draft a guy in the top one
Speaker 1: hundred and he was late third round. You're you're hoping
Speaker 1: he eventually will be a star, not necessarily in the
Speaker 1: first or second year. Well now they need him to
Speaker 1: step up in his second, but really he's into his
Speaker 1: third year. I mean, they play he's you know, it's right.
Speaker 1: You have at one point, you have to have guys
Speaker 1: that are going to OutKick their coverage. That's okay, I mean,
Speaker 1: and they did that with Dron Bland. There you go,
Speaker 1: thank you that one right there, that that young man
Speaker 1: realized his potential early on and he followed his pad.
Speaker 1: You know, it's other guys can do that. There's a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of Michael Downs and ever some waves out
Speaker 1: there who are just not gonna believe the hype, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, they got enough pride to it.
Speaker 1: They're gonna go out the way Bland has been doing
Speaker 1: and just play whoever it is, h as best as
Speaker 1: anyone can in cornerback position. Okay, Mickey has more on
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Speaker 1: to go back to my big pad. Yeah you got something,
Speaker 1: because I've got something otherwise. Yeah, I thought it's worth
Speaker 1: mentioning that Franco here you that's exactly what I was
Speaker 1: where I was going to go passed away. With the
Speaker 1: fifty year anniversary of the Immaculate Reception coming up this week,
Speaker 1: I believe yes it's And in fact, on Saturday night,
Speaker 1: the oddly enough, the NFL scheduled the Steelers to play
Speaker 1: the Raiders Christmas Eve night. It's the Saturday night game,
Speaker 1: and Franco's number was to be or is going to
Speaker 1: be retired. He was to be honored there in Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: on Saturday night, seventy two years old. Everson, did you
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to play against Franco? I did. It
Speaker 1: was at the end of his career, yeah, and uh
Speaker 1: yeah he was, you know, he was having a tough
Speaker 1: time by then. Thank goodness, because at that time you
Speaker 1: had Bradshag himself. Stalwart played until around eighty five or
Speaker 1: eighty seven or something like that. Lyn Swann ended up
Speaker 1: leaving around eighty three, I think. So yeah, when I
Speaker 1: came in in eighty one, we kind I kind of
Speaker 1: caught those guys at the end of that career, had
Speaker 1: good matchups with John Startworth. But yeah, Franco, you remember
Speaker 1: he ended up going to Seattle and finishing his career,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I thought that was a sad moment
Speaker 1: in his career because he really did believe in thee
Speaker 1: the Rooney's family. He trusted them with all. Just a
Speaker 1: quick note, my mom made me go to this Union convention,
Speaker 1: played Association convention in Albuquerque in eighty two, and this
Speaker 1: is you're all starting to lead up to some of
Speaker 1: the benefits we have now. But way back then, I
Speaker 1: wasn't even a Union repo two years in the league,
Speaker 1: and I heard amongst all of the fussing people, you know,
Speaker 1: mad about management. He had players in there fussing about
Speaker 1: coaches and negotiations and how the teams treat them. Frank
Speaker 1: o'harris got up and said, I loved the Rooneies. She
Speaker 1: took he went against everyone in the room. She said,
Speaker 1: the Roonies have been good to me. I loved the Roonies.
Speaker 1: He said, there's no way that I can consider striking
Speaker 1: against them, because that's what the whole convention was all about.
Speaker 1: And I thought that was one of the more unique
Speaker 1: moments in my life, because you know, you see somebody
Speaker 1: like that who was so strong, and you know, of
Speaker 1: course he was on the wrong side of the fence
Speaker 1: on this one, but he still had the ability of
Speaker 1: the strength and the courage to just come out and say, God,
Speaker 1: I love the Roonies. They've been good to me, and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go against them. So and then to
Speaker 1: end up with him being in Seattle soon after that,
Speaker 1: I thought that was very telling about his high schooler weapon.
Speaker 1: So the MAC reception was December of nineteen twenty third,
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, right, so this is the fifty year
Speaker 1: anniversary is coming up on Friday, So I remember where
Speaker 1: I was. Were you watching the game by any chance? Yes?
Speaker 1: In fact, I still consider it to be the greatest
Speaker 1: day of watching football in my life. I remember it
Speaker 1: well because no, no, Everson, you remember this being a
Speaker 1: Cowboys fan growing up, the immaculate Reception was not even
Speaker 1: the greatest comeback that day. It was. It was it
Speaker 1: was the divisional playoff round. So this is a playoff game,
Speaker 1: mind you. Both of these were playoff games. And the
Speaker 1: early game, the Steelers beat the Raiders on the immaculate
Speaker 1: Reception thirteen to seven. The late game, the Cowboys played
Speaker 1: at San Francisco. Craig Morton actually started at quarterback and
Speaker 1: Roger Staubach comes off the bench and in the final
Speaker 1: two minutes of that game, Roger captain comeback. Roger Stabach
Speaker 1: throws a touchdown pass to Billy Parks with two minutes
Speaker 1: left in the game, and then Tony Fritsch with a
Speaker 1: behind the back on side kick that was recovered by
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and then it was Starbach with a touchdown
Speaker 1: pass to win the football game for your Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: thirty to twenty eight. The Cowboys actually trailed by fifteen
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter of that game twenty eight to thirteen.
Speaker 1: Kicked a field goal in the fourth and then those
Speaker 1: two touchdowns in the final two minutes to win the
Speaker 1: game thirty to twenty eight. I think that was the
Speaker 1: game when Larry Cole might have been rolling around on
Speaker 1: the field field, that was the one was rolling around.
Speaker 1: So that was that the second straight year they beat
Speaker 1: San Francisco in the playoffs or did they beat them
Speaker 1: because they beat them two years in a row? Okay,
Speaker 1: and scoring game well, and the Ron Sellers, by the way,
Speaker 1: was the one who caught the touchdown pass to win
Speaker 1: the game thirty to twenty eighth. And yeah, the year before,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys won the Super Bowl the year before, and
Speaker 1: that was a playoff game. As I go back yere
Speaker 1: to seventy one, they it was the conference championship game
Speaker 1: against San Francisco. It was a fourteen to three win.
Speaker 1: So Cowboys then went and beat Miami in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl twenty four. So what I remember when they beat
Speaker 1: him in the second straight year in the playoffs seventy two.
Speaker 1: With that comeback, it costs Dick Nolan his job. Dick Nolan,
Speaker 1: the former Cowboys assistant coach, was the head coach of
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers at the time, and I believe
Speaker 1: he got fired after that season, and that was my
Speaker 1: position coach, and then he came back to Cowboys so
Speaker 1: he could coach Everson Walls. Yeah, Nolan was the coach
Speaker 1: in seventy three. Three, Yes, yeah, no one was, and
Speaker 1: they went five and nine and seventy three and he
Speaker 1: was still the coaching seventy four. Was fired, but they
Speaker 1: went six and eight and seventy four and it wasn't
Speaker 1: new romantic, right, Yeah, but it started the downslide, right,
Speaker 1: that's true. True, didn't help, didn't help maybe seventy five, Mickey,
Speaker 1: He was still the coach in seventy five and they
Speaker 1: went five And there I go for trying to remember
Speaker 1: fifty years. So finally Monty Clark became the coach in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six. So in seven, okay, let me go
Speaker 1: back to seventy five, just to see if three losing seasons, right. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm looking at seventy five because
Speaker 1: they obviously didn't make the playoffs. Yeah. So so it
Speaker 1: was the Hail Mary that not against Minnesota, I got
Speaker 1: to tell you it was. It was that San Francisco game.
Speaker 1: It kind of made you start believing that, you know what,
Speaker 1: every week, we have a chance. Right, you know, that
Speaker 1: kind of started the whole culture, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean, Don Meredith was amazing and some of the
Speaker 1: things that he did with Bob Hazing, and he's running
Speaker 1: back to Dwayne Thomas and those guys, but he started
Speaker 1: thinking about it wasn't just Roger, but it was the
Speaker 1: ability for Tim to call those plays. He finally put
Speaker 1: his trust in one quarterback, And to me, that kind
Speaker 1: of started that whole culture of you know what, at
Speaker 1: any time, as long as win an earshot, we can
Speaker 1: win this ball game. And as I recall what happened that, see,
Speaker 1: Starbuck got hurt because because Starbuck won the job after
Speaker 1: in seventy one, No, he got hurt in training King
Speaker 1: right in seventy two, right, but well he got hurt
Speaker 1: a number of times in his career, everybody, and so
Speaker 1: you got to figure out, Okay, what year was that.
Speaker 1: But obviously in seventy one was the quarterback shuffle game
Speaker 1: right against the Bears twenty three nineteen loss, and then
Speaker 1: Landry made the decision to go with starback. They reeled
Speaker 1: off ten straight wins and won the Super Bowl that year.
Speaker 1: Then he starbat gets hurt in seventy two, and but
Speaker 1: he came off the bench in this game Morton had started.
Speaker 1: I believe it was a sprayed shoulder, just to where
Speaker 1: we started the show with a spraying shoulder right ac joint.
Speaker 1: I think he ended up having the surgery, okay, and
Speaker 1: it took him a while to recover. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe that's when that when the Redskins hit him on
Speaker 1: the goal line. It was a preseason game he got
Speaker 1: hurt in Oh, okay, yeah, no Houston maybe. And I
Speaker 1: remember that game because I was on my freshman year
Speaker 1: in college. I was on semester break watching the game
Speaker 1: at home. You're talking about them macular, immaculate reception. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh I remember running. I was watching it in
Speaker 1: the living room. I yelled at my mom, who was cooking.
Speaker 1: I said, oh, you got to come and see this.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna believe it. And unfortunately, fifty years ago, Wow,
Speaker 1: And the Starbuck injury did come in preseason in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy two. It was against the Rams and it was
Speaker 1: he was tackled by Marlin McKeever. I remember that name,
Speaker 1: and see my memory was good there. I just stretched
Speaker 1: it a little too far. Yeah so, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was to this day, fifty years ago, on this Friday,
Speaker 1: December twenty third, nineteen seventy two, was my favorite day
Speaker 1: watching football. Well, Everson, were you old enough to watch
Speaker 1: the game? He's my age, of course, we're the same age.
Speaker 1: I just looked goods all right? All right, all right,
Speaker 1: that does it for this edition of Mick Shots and Everson,
Speaker 1: you will be joining us again tomorrow. Sure will sir
Speaker 1: on you guys. I will beat me and Chris will
Speaker 1: be waiting on y'all to get in from getting the parktot.
Speaker 1: There you go, all right, and I can't wait to
Speaker 1: hear what Christmas music that Chris finds not his? Allowed
Speaker 1: we could I think we could all contribute to this. Obviously,
Speaker 1: eat these helps now he remember he's limited, ye luck,
Speaker 1: limited selections. All right, will shout at you again tomorrow
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