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Speaker 1: The beginning of the next hour, former NFL scout and

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Speaker 1: a new father, John middlecoff Rams twenty bears, seventeen Rams

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Speaker 1: play an extra quarder the Seahawks, and that deep young

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Speaker 1: roster will have an extra day of prep, so a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a Seahawk advantage going into the NFC Championship.

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Speaker 1: Between Caleb's throw to the back of the end zone

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Speaker 1: to send it in overtime and Stafford's throw to DeVante Adams,

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Speaker 1: I honestly believe John, those are the two best throws

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Speaker 1: I've seen in the playoffs. I don't have the memory

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Speaker 1: if to know all season I mean that lost in

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Speaker 1: all of this. I wrote this down during the game.

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Speaker 1: One penalty for the Rams. No turnovers. I didn't. I

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Speaker 1: don't have a dropped pass by the Rams. We've talked

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Speaker 1: about it this year. Seattle I think has more talent.

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Speaker 1: I think Eagles may have a better roster man. You've

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Speaker 1: got to beat the Rams. I mean, just though, just

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Speaker 1: don't make any mistakes. It's the worst whether they could

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Speaker 1: play in as an indoor team. They go on the road,

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Speaker 1: and I think in the end they just you know,

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Speaker 1: great first drive, great last drive, then they get the

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Speaker 1: huge pick. I mean, Seattle Rams kind of feels fitting,

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Speaker 1: doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I thought the Bears they were pretty good.

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Speaker 2: I mean, their defense was really playing well the second

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Speaker 2: half of last game in the night. I mean physically,

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Speaker 2: they were hitting, they were covering pretty well. They felt

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Speaker 2: for the first time not this great Cinderella team and

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Speaker 2: a real like Super Bowl contender. I thought, if they

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Speaker 2: win this game, obviously you're in the Final four. But

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Speaker 2: just the way their defense had played for second half

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Speaker 2: into this game, obviously you know the weather benefits them.

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Speaker 2: I also think that for the Rams, what an organization

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Speaker 2: will win, there is no way to prep when you

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Speaker 2: practice in Los Angeles, there's just no Sean McVay was asking,

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Speaker 2: I don't control the weather here. I can't press a

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Speaker 2: button and have us practice outside and drop the you know,

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Speaker 2: seventy five degrees it was seven degrees on the field.

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Speaker 2: I mean that is but the way less Sneid, like

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Speaker 2: Les Sneed has his hands in that the landman the

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Speaker 2: type got Durant tonight made huge plays. He was physicality,

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Speaker 2: the mindset that Kieran Williams how hard they're Blake Quorum,

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Speaker 2: who comes from that culture in Harbaugh in Michigan. You know,

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Speaker 2: Stafford's been doing this forever, right, DeVante Adam's been doing

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Speaker 2: this forever. Puka guy they've had now for how many years? Three?

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Speaker 2: Who just belongs in moments like that, you know the bears.

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Speaker 2: You develop callouses, you practice and live in that weather,

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Speaker 2: you become a little more comfortable in it. Caleb. The

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Speaker 2: difference of Caleb and Stafford is I mean his legs

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Speaker 2: are I mean he could take off. It looks like

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson. We can get into Ben Johnson. I think

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Speaker 2: he doesn't utilize his legs enough. And you know, I

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Speaker 2: thought tonight that the toughness in the physicality of the Rams.

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Speaker 2: How about the hit They ended up turning it over

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Speaker 2: on downs and then they got the ball back because

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Speaker 2: McVeigh ended up hunting. I think it was like third

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Speaker 2: and two or third and goal and they tackled I

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Speaker 2: think it was DeAndre Swift and he got elevated. About

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Speaker 2: three guys hit him. Even my wife's like, holy mold.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was just these The one thing you

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Speaker 2: they build their teams to play environments like this because

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Speaker 2: I was like, was he that good in the pack?

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, but it's really it's funny. I think Caleb

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Speaker 1: here's the good news for the Bears, Dennis Allen had

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Speaker 1: a great last six quarters of defensive coordinator scheming. They

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Speaker 1: they do not have John, they don't have the Rams

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Speaker 1: So Chicago's secondary does have some talent. Buyer has been

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Speaker 1: I thought Stafford was uncomfortable for big portions of this game.

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Speaker 1: I just think the Rams played a cleaner football game. Penalties,

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Speaker 2: I actually think in a weird way, they underutilized Caleb.

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Speaker 2: You know, his strength. He had a run earlier in

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many guys in the league are

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Speaker 2: the Bears usually thrive when they let Caleb just kind

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Speaker 2: clearly Ben's offense, he's not calling those plays. You see

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Speaker 2: the short yardage plays to night which failed going right

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Speaker 2: the move. He's he's the best ad liber right now

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Speaker 2: not really how he wants to call plays. And I

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Speaker 2: think there's some give and take. And when do they

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Speaker 2: seventeen to ten, two minutes to goo Caleb save our season,

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Speaker 2: you know against the forty nine against whoever drive us

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Speaker 2: play calls like Caleb can kind of throw him out

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Speaker 2: the window after a split second if he doesn't see

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Speaker 2: it and he takes off and he he either makes

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Speaker 2: this year, my guess would be like close to thirty,

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Speaker 2: you know, And that's not I think there's got to

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Speaker 2: would say for Caleb to be an elite player, the

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Speaker 2: accuracy does need to improve a little bit on some

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Speaker 2: of just the layup throws. Like Stafford when he has

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Speaker 2: the big plays, he's proven to do it immediately at

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Speaker 1: Alf Roma Dunze has not been impactful in the second

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Speaker 1: half of the season. I mean, obviously Loveland's been huge.

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Speaker 1: so you look at the Bears average five point one

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Speaker 1: had seven minutes more time of possession. Again, they had

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Speaker 1: three picks, but the Bears only had three penalties. They

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Speaker 1: had more total plays. The Bears didn't allow a sack

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. You look at Caleb and everybody's going to

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Speaker 1: you can't take that catch away from him. That's just

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Speaker 2: You know, I think the Bears they're two most impressive

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Speaker 2: games Colin. Obviously, they've had some great wins. I mean,

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Speaker 2: first time in Lambeau and tonight, you came away going god,

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Speaker 2: I got a lot of respect for what's he doing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they totally played winning football and one of

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Speaker 2: his interceptions came on fourth down, So it's like, what

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Speaker 2: are you supposed to do? I'd argue I would have

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Speaker 2: a rule if I owned a team, you are not

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Speaker 2: these games are going to play out. I get you

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Speaker 2: come from Dan Campbell, but when you were with Dan,

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Speaker 2: the majority of your games were indoors. It's frigid conditions.

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Speaker 2: Even with this ram scoring offense. What it's seven degrees

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Speaker 2: and you got a quarterback who's thirty eight years old

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Speaker 2: with six kids, who's battling injuries. You think they're going

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Speaker 2: to score thirty points in that weather. I mean, they

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Speaker 2: looked like he was a lumberjack in Alaska to night.

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Speaker 2: When have you ever seen him? He's I mean that

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Speaker 2: they are the advantage you have with the weather, the

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you who really deserves credit, Puka Nakua and

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Speaker 1: great at stripping the ball. The Rams didn't have a fumble.

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Speaker 2: But again, I think you're looking at the winner of

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and they should be absolutely should be.

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Speaker 2: see this brand matter. I was someone that questioned Caleb.

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Speaker 1: I mean the good news for the Bears this draft,

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Speaker 1: you know, John, they don't need a single offensive player.

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Speaker 1: They have their tackles, the interior line, they have two backs,

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Speaker 2: I don't remember their dbs were really good tonight.

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Speaker 1: a better player under this staff. So you get a

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Speaker 1: really great draft the development of like Budet and Drake May,

428
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Speaker 1: and you spent two hundred and fifty MILI plus, plus

429
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Speaker 1: you have the best coordinator in the league. Josh McDaniels

430
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Speaker 1: and a head coach. You know, I picked him to

431
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Speaker 1: win ten games, and I take away everybody was like, well,

432
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Speaker 1: I looked at their roster today. It reminds me of

433
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Speaker 1: the old Belichick rosters, except the quarterbacks mobile. You just

434
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Speaker 1: have the same owner, Vrabels, a more current, more player

435
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Speaker 1: friendly version of Belichick high IQ, same coordinator and may

436
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Speaker 1: as Tom but more move He moves more. He had

437
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 1: twenty seven first downs running this year. But when I

438
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Speaker 1: look at their team, there's no real hole. I don't

439
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: know where New England's great. I think their receivers are undervalued.

440
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 1: I think they're a little better at receiver than people think.

441
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Speaker 1: They have two capable running backs. Hunter Henry's good, solid.

442
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Speaker 1: But my take on New England is in Seattle as

443
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Speaker 1: a little bit of this John. There's no hole where

444
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Speaker 1: do you now? Will Anderson eats Will Campbell for lunch? Okay,

445
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Speaker 1: he's a rookie left tackle. I'm not sure he's one

446
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Speaker 1: hundred percent. That was a mismaan. Will Anderson is getting

447
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 1: to a point now. Maybe he's not Miles Garrett, but

448
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: he is. He's the second best edge rusher in the

449
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: last seven eight years. I mean, it's like he looks

450
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: pretty good. He's just a blockable, long instinctive. But I

451
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Speaker 1: just think New England's talent is better than people understand.

452
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 1: They spend a lot of money in free agency, not

453
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Speaker 1: a lot of flashy stuff. Gonzalez is an elite corner.

454
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Speaker 1: They get really solid pressure ball hawking corners. I think

455
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Speaker 1: the Patriots talents better than people think.

456
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Speaker 2: Remember I think Belichick's last year defensively, they weren't terrible.

457
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Speaker 2: They were actually pretty good. And remember Belichick took some

458
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Speaker 2: shots at Gerard Mayo when he was in the media,

459
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Speaker 2: going like our defense was not their offense was horrendous.

460
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Speaker 2: The Patricia, the Jacoby mac Jones situation, Zappi. Defensively, they've

461
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Speaker 2: had pieces, even when Belichick handed the thing to Girard

462
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Speaker 2: and now to Vrabel. One note I wrote down is

463
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Speaker 2: there's a grit and toughness that reminded me of the

464
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Speaker 2: Atriot teams of the twenty year Dynasty, just the way

465
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Speaker 2: it looked unfazed by anything that happened. I mean, they

466
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Speaker 2: fumble unfaced, a crazy play by Willi Anderson, an offensive

467
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: lineman getting smoked unfaced, a touchdown that they score a

468
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Speaker 2: big unfaced. It's a very kind of old school mentality

469
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 2: they have, and to me, for ay Bole has clearly instilled.

470
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Speaker 2: I mean I was texting with someone that played for

471
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Speaker 2: Belichick with Brady in the two thousands, and he said,

472
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Speaker 2: it is so hard in those games to feel your hands,

473
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: how cold it is. And I think that directly impacts CJ. Shroud.

474
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Speaker 2: I know he played at Ohio State, but they don't

475
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Speaker 2: play in December and January. In college.

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Speaker 1: You could tell John. You could tell both quarterbacks with

477
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Speaker 1: the fumble issues they couldn't feel their hands.

478
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Speaker 2: Say with the running backs, it was I mean there

479
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 2: was at one point early in the third quarter there

480
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Speaker 2: were eight turnovers. I text a couple people, is this

481
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Speaker 2: a good game or a bad game? Because I'm entertained,

482
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Speaker 2: But I don't know. But I think there's an element

483
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Speaker 2: of the cold and just how difficult is to play. Honestly,

484
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 2: I'm watching this game like incredible. How good Tom was

485
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Speaker 2: in these elements for all those years. I mean, the accuracy,

486
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Speaker 2: the control of the ball, It's their whole team. I mean,

487
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: Belichick had that thing master to dominate in those environments. Well,

488
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Speaker 2: Rabel's inn Ohio guy played for a decade there kind

489
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Speaker 2: of likes vrable to me, feels much more cold sleep

490
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Speaker 2: that he does Nashville on Broadway, you know, So, I mean,

491
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels, they're very, very lucky. You know, a lot

492
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Speaker 2: of teams. Look look at Robert Solis, probably gonna get

493
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Speaker 2: a job. Kyle Shanahan would give him a ten year,

494
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Speaker 2: fifty million dollars contract right now to be as defensive coordinator.

495
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: Josh Stamers is not going to get a head coaching

496
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Speaker 2: job because of how bad his second tier. So there's

497
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Speaker 2: going to have this offensive coordinator who's elite at his job.

498
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Speaker 2: Who I mentioned this, I need to do the study.

499
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's really just a math equation. How many

500
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Speaker 2: games is Josh McDaniels coach as an offensive coordinator as

501
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Speaker 2: the in playoff games? Fifty? I mean, think how many

502
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Speaker 2: big games he's game planned for, practiced for, adjusted for

503
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Speaker 2: in the middle of the game. He's been in that

504
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: exact role for decades. And I mean he was the

505
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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator when Mac Jones made the playoffs. Like this

506
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Speaker 2: guy is that he has to be one of the

507
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Speaker 2: more senior or in terms of experience, corodinator in the

508
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Speaker 2: history of the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And he hasn't had to switch. He got middle aged Tom,

510
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Speaker 1: old Tom young, Mac Jones, young, Drake May, all kind

511
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Speaker 1: of the same prototype. You know, obviously Drake's the best

512
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Speaker 1: athlete in terms of mobility, but all pocket guys, all

513
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Speaker 1: pocket guys who just like who don't like stuff at

514
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Speaker 1: their feet, who like a little protection, who think pretty

515
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Speaker 1: quick get rid of the ball accurately. Brady mack So

516
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Speaker 1: it's as he has an offense, he has an ecosystem

517
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Speaker 1: the way he does it, and they've all kind of

518
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Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't have to change rapidly. Yeah, I

519
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: mean if you're not giving him hyper athletic guy, because

520
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: Drake May runs for first down, but you can see

521
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Speaker 1: he wants to sit in the pocket.

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Speaker 2: And you know the.

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Speaker 1: Other thing that jumped out to me in this game,

524
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Speaker 1: New England beating Houston is Will Anderson's up for an extension.

525
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Speaker 1: He's getting it. You pay him whatever you have to

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Speaker 1: pay him. He is right now next to Miles Garrett,

527
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Speaker 1: Max Crosby's up there. C J. Stroud is going to

528
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Speaker 1: be very interesting because we've seen over the last couple

529
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Speaker 1: of weeks, boy, he has regressed. Now is it coaching?

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Speaker 1: You and I both feel strongly about this when it

531
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Speaker 1: comes to quarterbacks, and CJ is still kind of in

532
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: that Herbert Younger. Quarterback coaching matters a lot like and

533
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: by the way, it mattered for I mean Aaron Rodgers

534
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: much better this year with Arthur Smith than he was

535
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Speaker 1: with the Mess in New York. So c J. Stroud,

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Speaker 1: he'll get an extension, right, I mean it's it's.

537
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Speaker 2: I could not this offseason give him an extension.

538
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so you wait to the other season. Okay.

539
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: To me, Will Anderson, you treat him like Micah Parsons.

540
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: You know, Aiden Hutchinson. What do you want, big guy,

541
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Speaker 2: here's the number. It's huge. You're going to be c J. Stroud,

542
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: I mean part of winning in that conference. I know

543
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 2: he played his year at Ohio State, but he's from

544
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 2: southern California and now he plays in a dome and

545
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: that feel today and again texting this guy that had

546
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 2: played there is like, he's like, you can't feel your hands.

547
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: So he's a touch passer. You know, a lot of

548
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: people compt him coming out of college. To Jared Goff, yes,

549
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 2: he was struggled in cold weather majority of his career.

550
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: He's clearly gotten a little bit better as he's gotten older,

551
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: maybe just a little more comfortable now he plays in

552
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 2: the NFC North, playing in more cold weather places. Like

553
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: he's a touch passer. Even on the touchdown he threw

554
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: to Kirk, Kirk had to make a great play and

555
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: box the guy out. His touch is a it doesn't

556
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: really work. And then you know these last couple of

557
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: weeks in the cold weather struggled touching the You gotta

558
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: play cold weather teams in the AFC. It's unavoidable unless

559
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: you're the number one seed every year. And to me,

560
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: they're clearly there's a little I mean, they didn't even

561
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Speaker 2: win their own division this year, so they're a well

562
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Speaker 2: run team. I think Casario's a stud. Mass They have

563
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: the Commander's second round pick, so they have their own

564
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: first round pick, and they got two two's offensive line off, Yes,

565
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: offensive line. So but we've seen you just talked about

566
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: quarterback thing. We have seen some bad quarterback contracts that

567
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: you didn't need to pay Cathera. Murray, you didn't need

568
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: to pay to it. Just take another year. CJ. Hey,

569
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Speaker 2: you're the number two overall pick. You're making millions of dollars.

570
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: It's not you're not Rock Purty payscale here, but you

571
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: just had I mean, how many turnofs this guy hap

572
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: in the last two weeks twenty I mean it was today.

573
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: It was outrageous, and I just you can't pay because

574
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: the going rate the minimum, like Sam Dartle's the minimum,

575
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: and that starts at one hundred and guys like CJ.

576
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: Stroud hang up on that. So they started like one

577
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Speaker 2: p fifty one sixty. You can't. I think he's playing

578
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: out next year. And that doesn't mean I like him.

579
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: I'm a fansy, high character guy, works hard, loves football,

580
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: but he's a touch passer that if I got to

581
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: go on the road Kansas City, Denver, New England, you

582
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: know Baltimore ain't gonna be down long, so it's I

583
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: gotta have a Kansas City. I mean, they'll they'll be back.

584
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: You gotta play well November December outside in the cold

585
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: weather and today because I talked to someone last week

586
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: that said his bad plays were atrocious, but he made

587
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: some good plays in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's just not that good

588
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: of a team, right, They're just they're not. New England

589
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: was a different level, and it felt he would I mean,

590
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: how often do you see former players. They go to

591
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: Jason Kelcey's like, I think you got a bench him

592
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Speaker 2: at half?

593
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

594
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: Pretty rare you and I I have no problem saying that,

595
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: but it's pretty rare for a guy like Kelsey. And

596
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: they weren't wrong. And Demico former player, probably thought like, Hey,

597
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: he's gonna be my starting quarterback next year. I can't

598
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: create a controversy going the offseason, which I don't disagree.

599
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: I understand where he's coming from, but you could have

600
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: justified benching him because this is in the NBA. Can't

601
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: demand a trade and get trade. That's not the way

602
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: it works. So I'm sure they had a conversation right

603
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: him and the OC like Davis Mills ready because this

604
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: is not going to work. And if you're thinking about

605
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 2: benching a guy at half, you can't then give him

606
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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty million dollars. I mean, Colin, you

607
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: would do it potentially like a month. I mean, this

608
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: is the lot of guys get extension late February, early March.

609
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: So that's a noe for me. And it's not because

610
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: I don't like him, but he sent a five year

611
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 2: contract right pick up a fifth year option and then

612
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Speaker 2: go from there.

613
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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Denver and overtime thirty three

614
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: to thirty over Buffalo. You know what, John, Like everybody

615
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: in America, I have watched every replay, and I will

616
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: say I think in most instances, when fans you know

617
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: it's rigged. If you're going to rig this thing, you'd

618
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: rig it for Josh Allen and the Bills, Bo Nixon,

619
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowls not moving a number. But I will

620
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Speaker 1: say I talked to a GM today and I looked

621
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Speaker 1: at several Let me put it this way, slow motion

622
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: usually creates clarity. I would argue this is one of

623
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Speaker 1: the rare instances slow motion created confusion because slow motion

624
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: makes it look like it's more of a catch by

625
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks than it is that in fast motion. When

626
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Speaker 1: I watched it about thirty times after talking to a GM,

627
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Speaker 1: the GM who is no, by the way, fan of Denver,

628
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Speaker 1: and I'll just leave it at that. Said, in the end,

629
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Speaker 1: if you look at it at real speed, the ball's

630
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: bouncing when he hits the ground, and that's not an

631
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Speaker 1: official cash though. Then it's whoever wins the wrestling match,

632
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: and Denver won the wrestling match. So I thought slow

633
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Speaker 1: mo is I'm watching it in slow mo. It actually,

634
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: in hindsight did it a disk service because it makes

635
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: it look like cochit is more in possession. That was

636
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: my take. Anyway, they got it right, but I've never

637
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Speaker 1: seen anything like that, so I didn't know for about

638
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Speaker 1: a day how to compute it.

639
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the catch has become such

640
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: a convoluted situation in the NFL, Like why do we

641
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: have to make this so confusing? And by the letter

642
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: of the law, they got it right. I think you

643
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: could argue was he officially touched and then he ran

644
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: out of bounds and dropped the ball? Some people are

645
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: saying it should have been a Safety Bills win, But yeah,

646
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I mean, I just think that we've

647
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: got to this point with instant replay, which does benefit us,

648
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 2: right because we can get things right. But also, like

649
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: I do feel for Sean McDermott. If you watched his

650
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: long time of you know, he went on this, I

651
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 2: wouldn't even call it a rant because he was very

652
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: under control and he said, listen, if I take a

653
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: step back objectively, can we just try to get it right?

654
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: And it felt very rushed. Now I think you know,

655
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: being in that spot in the first place, all the

656
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: turnovers right, obviously, the way the half ended for Buffalo,

657
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: there's a lot to even get to that point that

658
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: was avoidable. And I also think it's a reflection of

659
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: when the season's on the line. He's throwing a jump

660
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 2: ball to a very old I mean for NFL standards,

661
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: an older player who is not a jump ball player.

662
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: I mean, he's made some such place for him and

663
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: he honestly he has a couple. He made a great

664
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: catch to win out of bounds. But kind of a

665
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: reflection of their personnel, isn't that you and I talk

666
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: about a lot.

667
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brandon Cooks has always been like a number two

668
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,959
Speaker 1: or three. He's a speed guy. You run him up,

669
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: you run him deep. Yeah. I mean this has been

670
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: my knock is that they have three elite players all

671
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: on offense. You know, and by the way, Josh Allen's

672
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: best team James cook led running backs and fumbles, that's

673
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: his best teammate. They have a slot receiver, a good

674
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: left tackle Josh Allen, and a fumble prone running back

675
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: who's got jets. That's not great, you know. So my

676
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: takeaway is it's really not a good enough roster, so

677
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: you are left to I mean, they had three active guys.

678
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: You're left to throwing up a jump ball to a

679
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: speed guy, not a big receiver. Brandon Cooks is a smaller,

680
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: smaller speed guy without a huge catching radius. So you know,

681
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: I mean my question if you're gonna run McDermott out

682
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: of the building. And I think he's a BB plus coach.

683
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: I feel like this' ohas something last year they couldn't

684
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: get the tush push right. This year it's multiple turnovers.

685
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: The year before, you know, three years ago or whatever

686
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: it was, it was the thirteen second loss. You know,

687
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: years and years and years ago, it was wide right.

688
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: It's always something for Buffalo. But I do feel like

689
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: there are certain teams. We watched the Indiana Hoosiers. While

690
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: they're tight, the Belichick dynasty really tight. I just feel

691
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: usually comes on the offensive side. John Buffalo is a

692
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: little loose. They've missed on a lot of picks. They

693
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: have too many turnovers. I thought Josh was very reckless.

694
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: Can't you coach some of that out of him? By

695
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 1: the way, another defensive coach, Demiko Ryans, who I think

696
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: fondly of C J. Stroud, way too loose. You know,

697
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: sometimes I look at these defensive coaches and they're so

698
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: good on the defensive side elevating and developing that the

699
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: offense just doesn't feel like it's buttoned up. And that's

700
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: Buffalo again.

701
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: I do think when it comes to Josh in the

702
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: reckless nature, I mean, that's probably the worst playoff game

703
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: he's ever had. I mean statistically right, you know, I

704
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: think there's a farveing quality. I don't think you coached

705
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 2: that out. I mean he had Mike Holmger and Andy Reid,

706
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: John Gruden, Steve Mariucci and you know, in the prime

707
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: of his career, and he drove them all nuts. Sean

708
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: McDermott on an individual play basis, like the end of half.

709
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: He's not the offensive coordinator, but that's how you come

710
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: on the headset. We're kneeling it, Tony Romo. You know,

711
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: the best point of the day was like you could

712
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: not it's not worth the risk there when you don't

713
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 2: have any timeouts. And then Josh, you know, carries the

714
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: ball like Shady McCoy and the ball hits the ground.

715
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: But like on the aggregate of his career, they've been

716
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: really successful right up until yesterday they were eight no

717
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: to non Mahomes Joe Burrow teams. So they had won

718
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: a lot of playoff games. Look at how many playoff

719
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: games he's won relative to like Harrball and Tomlin. I mean,

720
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: Harball has got a hundred million dollars. If Tomlin chose

721
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: to coach, he'd probably get a hundred million dollars right now.

722
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 2: And Sean McDermott, I think, would say, well, we're all

723
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: defensive CEO types. I actually think the GM, and you

724
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: look around the league, all these gms survived, Joe Shane,

725
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 2: the guy in Arizona, the guy in Cleveland. I think

726
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: the GM relative to having this court, Howie Roseman, you

727
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: would rather get thrown off the Walt Whitman than be

728
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: to not be aggressive when he had Josh Allen as

729
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: his quarterback, and I think if you look at him

730
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 2: a little Farviyan Ted Thompson or not Rogers. I mean,

731
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: remember it was like god, Ted be aggressive here. You

732
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: got this guy in the peak of it, and they

733
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: weren't smaller market. Now they have an owner, but he

734
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: doesn't feel that aggressive at least from sitting here three

735
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 2: thousand miles away, like some of these owners I think

736
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 2: the GM has been dramatically worse than Sean McDermott. Now

737
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: we feel Sean McDermott more on game day than we

738
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 2: do the GM, just because on an visual play basis.

739
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: But I think the GM, relative to having this all

740
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: time great quarterback has been really bad. I mean Kethon Coleman.

741
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: He had a touchdown yesterday but was inactive most of

742
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: the season. So it's like, how many impact one thing?

743
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: How did the forty nine ers keep it going all

744
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: these years? They hit on a lot of like mid

745
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: round guys to become him, Like where are those guys

746
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: in Buffalo? You know Shakier's been on the team a

747
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: long time now It's like, you know, Cook was a

748
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: second round pick. Where are your big impact guys and

749
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: they where are your aggressive moves? Like why when how

750
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: he's making these trades when less Senie, when John Schneider,

751
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: why are you hand in hand with them? Like, hey,

752
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: I need to outbid this guy. When the forty nine

753
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,479
Speaker 2: ers traded for McCaffrey, they had an add an extra

754
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: pick because the Rams are gonna get him and people

755
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: now the Rams and the Niners are crazy here, but

756
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: they lean aggressiveness when I look at Buffalo, Yeah, they're

757
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: just not that aggressive of a front office, and I

758
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 2: think it's bit them on the margins when they've had

759
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: now Finally, their quarterback played a bad game. But man,

760
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: so to me Sean McDermott, by the time people are

761
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: listening to this Monday, he might be done. But the

762
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 2: GM to me, cannot be one of those that survives

763
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: and the coach goes. That would be insanity to me.

764
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 1: Now and credit to Denver, they will not have bow Knicks.

765
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: Jarrett Stidham, because he's been in the program a couple

766
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: of years, should be a fairly competent backup, and they

767
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: also have between MEM's Courtland Sutton Harvey. They run the

768
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: ball pretty effectively at times. They did not against Buffalo,

769
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: credit to McDermott and the defense, they didn't run the

770
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: ball well. But Stidham should be a capable backup. He

771
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: won't run like bow Nix, He's not that athlete. But

772
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: in the end, could I not argue the Broncos have

773
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: the better coach, the better roster, the more efficient quarterback

774
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: for this game, and frankly huge edge on deep balls

775
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: at wide receiver. Lost in all of this is that

776
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: bow Knicks was two for two on two big deep

777
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: ball home run touchdown throws. He did a lot of

778
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: stuff under eight yards, a lot of stuff behind the

779
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. The two times he went big he

780
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: hit on both of them. So lost in all of

781
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: this was their corners got beat twice on big plays

782
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: and Bonix was more efficient.

783
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: Well, think about this one area that he got a

784
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: lot of credit this year. So did Caleb. Throughout the

785
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 2: regular season when it mattered most, they turned into a

786
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 2: high level player. Yeah, I mean both of them played

787
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: like top five guys on the last couple drives throughout

788
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 2: the season when their backs were against the wall. That

789
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: led them to both winning a bunch of games right

790
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: and becoming you know, high sets. His final drive was fantastic.

791
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: Fantastic, multiple big shots.

792
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: In zone coverage, a big run for a first down,

793
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: and obviously the game winning touched or game I guess

794
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: if they took the lead and then Buffalo tied it.

795
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 2: But it was just a gorgeous pass. And what was

796
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: an area that we hammered him on this season was like, ah,

797
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: the deep balls a little, it's not great. And I

798
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: think one thing, if you wanted to be critical of

799
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 2: Sean with both, Like I think Ben Johnson's a lot

800
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: like this too. Their favorite plays are timing pass routes.

801
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: That's what Ben Jonson thrived with Jared Goff and him

802
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 2: wi Sean Payton. These guys are playmaking athletes. You kind

803
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 2: of gotta let him and it's hard, you know, Steve

804
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: Kerr and I'm not comparing Steph Curry to either one

805
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: of these guys, but likes sometimes he's got to let

806
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: him be him and most coaches struggle with that. And

807
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 2: I think he got like, this game's probably not as

808
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: close if Sean just let him kind of scramble around

809
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: and make plays. But sometimes in the pocket that's not

810
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: where bo when he gets out of rhythm, it can

811
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 2: look a little off right, but as he just kind

812
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: of like, hey, make some plays, we need a touchdown,

813
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 2: run around, let it loose. That's when he's at his best.

814
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: Which do you ever remember a game ending and then

815
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: all of a sudden the guy broke his ankle and

816
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 2: no one saw it. I mean, it's it feels like

817
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 2: an unprecedented an injury when you factor in, no one knew,

818
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: even clearly the coach didn't know till he was told

819
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 2: I mean he walked. The NFL tweeted out a video

820
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: of him walking off the field, high five in people.

821
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just think it's a bummer that

822
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: Jared's did a misplaying because I do think Denver, although

823
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if they would win the Super Bowl,

824
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: I do think they're on a short list of teams

825
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: that can compete with it. I think they have an

826
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,479
Speaker 1: excellent roster. And I'll give you I was thinking about

827
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: this today, John Denver and Seattle pivoted off Russell Wilson.

828
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: Denver really paid both number one seeds and the message

829
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: to the NFL if you make a mistake, move off

830
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: it quickly. Think about this. Gerrod Mayo, New England, big mistake,

831
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: moved off it. They're in the AFC Championship. Seattle, you

832
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: know we got Russell Wilson. We're moving off it didn't

833
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: take long. Geno Smith, Darnold Boom, number one seed, hit

834
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: on draft picks. Denver still paying cat room for this

835
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: year bow Nick's drafting playoffs, second year, number one seed

836
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: now AFC Championship. Bad weekend for Russell Wilson. Not to

837
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: bury him, but the point being between New England and Denver.

838
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: The message is, guys, don't get out of the rigidity

839
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: if you make a mistake with a coach or a quarterback.

840
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: The rebuilds are a year in the NFL you get

841
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: about a crappy year. I mean Denver in their rebuild

842
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: year with bow Knicks made the playoffs New England, and

843
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: I believe a rebuild year is going to make the

844
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: AFC Championship. So I kept thinking about it this weekend

845
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: when I looked at denveright. The overarching message is you

846
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: get the coach right, you get the quarterback mostly right.

847
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: Bo Nicks is hit and miss. You can not only

848
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, you can end up a number one seed.

849
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: Our number one seeds are Bo Nicks and Sam Darnold.

850
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: You know, so we were getting into a weird space, John,

851
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: where it felt like mahomes Alan Lamar like you were

852
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: getting into a space where it felt like you had

853
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: to have a superstar quarterback to get in. The takeaway

854
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: now is no ge get a young talented quarterback. Caleb Williams.

855
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: I mean Stafford's now the only expensive guy left right

856
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: going into this podcast.

857
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: I also think that a lot of it, like the

858
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: Texans are a good example if CJ. Stroud would have

859
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: taken the approach like, hey, on this team, I'm just

860
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: gonna be Brad Johnson or Trend Dilfer, call me a

861
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: game manager, they could have won the Super Bowl. But

862
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: he tried to play like on this number two overall

863
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: quarterback watch me make plays? Is like, bro, do you

864
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: do not need to do that? So I think there's

865
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 2: this fine line of can you get a guy to

866
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 2: play within your system? Understand what he is? It's hard.

867
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: These quarterbacks now are rock stars. They make a ton

868
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: of money on and off the field, and some guys

869
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 2: just can't kind of find their lane, and then you're

870
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: very predicated on the play calling. Also, when you pay

871
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: a lot of money for these quarterbacks, it does limit.

872
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 2: I mean Buffalo in Kansas City just have less wiggle

873
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 2: room to make moves. I look at Denver, I want

874
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: Hufunga and I want Greenlow boom by it Bot mcglinchy

875
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 2: a year ago. You just start, you just can be

876
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 2: a little more aggressive once you pivot off and kind

877
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: of manipulate the cap. Also, it speaks to these owners,

878
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: what is Denver doing a lot? Like the Eagles did

879
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 2: they funny money contracts? They pay you more cash up front,

880
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: push it all down the line, and it's become not

881
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 2: only a smart guy, aggressive league, but is your owner

882
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: willing because they all have money, Like if the Browns

883
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: want to spend money, they can, they just choose not to.

884
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: In Cincinnati, they be cheap. It's your owner wants to

885
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 2: double down. I mean that's been the knock on Jerry.

886
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, just I'll pay you a couple guys,

887
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 2: but like gonna I'm gonna be a little cheap on

888
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: the margins. And I think Denver, clearly this is only

889
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 2: gonna solidify they They might get beat by twenty points

890
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: in the AFC Championship just because this guy doesn't take

891
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: any reps. Right, so we're in late January. I mean

892
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 2: he's probably gone four months without really taking assuming Bo

893
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 2: takes him all during practice he's with the scout team.

894
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 2: That's a lot to ask. So even worst case scenario,

895
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: but big picture, now, Sean's kind of you know, validated

896
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: when I tell you when I want something, to listen

897
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: to me. And these owners, I mean, who has more

898
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: money than Walmart? You know, Steve Balmer. I mean it's

899
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: a very short list. So it's like, hey, let's pay

900
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: this guy, give him a eighty million dollars signing bonus.

901
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 2: We'll do a ten year contract and we'll manipulate the book.

902
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 2: And that's why they were able to kind of maneuver

903
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 2: the Russell Wilson disaster. Think about Trey Lance. Niners pivoted

904
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: in a blink of an eye. Boom didn't even think twice.

905
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: You know, Carson Wentz years ago with the Eagles. It's like,

906
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: if you're willing to be like, hey, we missed, we

907
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: traded its first rounders, we paid a bunch of money.

908
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: Who cares. You're all making so much money you won't

909
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: even remember it.

910
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: In six months, Seattle our final game, recap hammer San

911
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: Francisco forty one to six. I thought it was going

912
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: to be really close. Somewhere in the third quarter, Seattle

913
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: pulls away. Instead, they take the opening kickoff, and from

914
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: that point the floodgates open. You know, I'll say this.

915
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan has coached one hundred and sixty three games

916
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 1: with the Niners. Only four times he's been held under

917
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: seven points. Two of those are against the Seahawks in January.

918
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: Listen one with George Kittle, one with that out listen.

919
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the legion of Boom, but

920
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: I will tell you these corners for Seattle, the linebackers

921
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: Ernest Jones, their pass rush is unbelievable. You can't run

922
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: on them. I mean, And what this really benefits Seattle

923
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: is that they don't have to take major risks. With

924
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, he plays a very conservative game. They run

925
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: the ball with Walker. I mean, I look at the

926
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: Seattle defense and they don't need to take a lot

927
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 1: of risks. It's I mean, you know, Donald's throwing eighteen

928
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: to twenty times a game with that run game, with

929
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: that defense. Also the difference between the Seahawks and the

930
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: Rams and Niners in Division. Seattle's got great special teams,

931
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: outstanding special teams. I don't see a hole in Seattle,

932
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: do you You know?

933
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 2: They remind me a lot of the twenty nineteen forty

934
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: nine Ers who were the number one seed and had

935
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: a ten point lead with five minutes to go against

936
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: Kancay Chiefs and the Super Bowl. And if you remember

937
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: in that NFC Championship game, I think Jimmy Garoppolo threw

938
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 2: eight pass attempts and they blew out Aaron because their

939
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: defense was unstoppable. And what did they have Kyle and

940
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: Sola back then? Well, what does this team have McDonald

941
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: and Kubiak, who I've been saying forever the Kubiaks are

942
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 2: basically just the cousins of the Shanahans, right. I mean

943
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: the offense was invented with the two of them. So

944
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: when I see a team that they won a game

945
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: yesterday forty one to six, and their quarterback completed twelve

946
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: fastes for one hundred and twenty yards, So this was

947
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: the Jimmy Garoppolo forty nine ers. As long as you

948
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: don't turn the ball over, they're gonna win the Super Bowl.

949
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: If their defense is gonna play like that, they're going

950
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: to win the Super Bowl. The only way they will

951
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 2: not win the Super Bowl is if he has a

952
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: game where he has a fumble in an interception, if

953
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: he just plays control. Who cares to look at CJ.

954
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: Stroud today. Punt is not a bad thing. They're not

955
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: going to move the ball. At most, they're going to

956
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: score a couple touchdowns. Who cares. We cannot fumble the ball,

957
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 2: We can not throw interceptions. If Sam Darnold, which let's

958
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: face he led the league in turnovers during the season,

959
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: so you were nervous. And then the oblique injury to

960
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 2: me scared me because because yeah, a lot of quarter

961
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: I remember specifically, I think Derek Carr had this and

962
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 2: he just couldn't throw right. So you just think, how's

963
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: this gonna work? And then you watch that first throw

964
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 2: of the game. It was kind of like a hit

965
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 2: the ground. You want, well, this might be something Shanna

966
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 2: Hand said after the game, He's like, well, I wants

967
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 2: the tort roll really hits it in, he ain't gonna

968
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: feel it. So and then as the game went on

969
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 2: he looked just completely normal and they didn't even need him.

970
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: But if your defense from a scheme standpoint, they're the

971
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: best scheme defense in the way I've been described by

972
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 2: Niner people. Typically Kyle he kills you because he's such

973
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: a good game planner of like he knows exactly what

974
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: you're gonna do, so he can put his guy in

975
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: a place that he knows you're not gonna be. The

976
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: problem for McDonald is he's basically a wizard. You think

977
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 2: he's gonna do something and then he does the complete

978
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: opposite when the ball snapped. No one really plays like that.

979
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: Belichick used to do this forever, right, Spagnola kind of

980
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 2: does this with his blitzes. It's a short list of

981
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 2: guys that can really manipulate the defense like offensive coaches

982
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: manipulate the offense. This guy's I mean, there's no way

983
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: around it. And his and then the personnel standpoint. We

984
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: talk about britt being with Buffalo, they have the opposite

985
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: with shut Schnyder. I mean he's he's going to the

986
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. I mean that's just that's the case.

987
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: So he's going right to the Hall of Fame as

988
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: a GM.

989
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: My people that I trust think Snyder's is the best

990
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: personnel guy in the league. Howie Roseman is more aggressive

991
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: and maybe the great manipulator of trades and draft picks.

992
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: John's the best personnel guy just just looking at overall personnel.

993
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 1: And by the way, in this division, Seattle said, Listen,

994
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: McVeigh and Shanahan are in this division, We're not going

995
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: to have the third best offensive coach. They didn't try

996
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: to top the Rams and the Niners, Like, Okay, we

997
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: got McVeigh, we got Shanahan. We're not beating that. We're

998
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: gonna go get the McVeigh of the defensive side. So

999
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: we're gonna build this thing on defense, because you and

1000
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 1: I John know this in the history of football, even

1001
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 1: now's football, in most of the time, if your offense

1002
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: is competent and not turnover prone, a dominating defense. The

1003
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: Seahawks humul Peyton Manning in a Super Bowl. The Seahawks

1004
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: should have beaten Tom Brady in the Super Bowl, not

1005
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: for Malcolm Butler. A great defense with a competent offense.

1006
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: Usually Mahomes has been blown out twice in Super Bowls.

1007
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: He can't get pass pro, he can't be protected. So

1008
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: I just they're the opposite of the Steelers. They're the

1009
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: opposite of the Steelers. Is that the Seahawks have built

1010
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: a defense that is young and cheap. It's the twenty

1011
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: third most expensive defense. You know, with the Steelers they

1012
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: spent all this money four years in a row of

1013
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 1: the most expensive defense. It's old, creaky, a lot of injuries,

1014
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 1: and expensive. Seattle's the opposite they hit on their draft picks.

1015
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: It's young, cheap, flexible, and allows them to, you know,

1016
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: go out and get Rashid Sahed and you know who.

1017
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: By the way, they already had solid special teams. Now

1018
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: they're probably the best special teams left in the playoffs.

1019
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: I think what he did a really good job of

1020
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 2: and a lot of people complain, go, we're never bad

1021
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 2: enough to bottom out. Well, Seattle never bought him down.

1022
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: They kept the Russell Wilson trade in the one year

1023
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 2: it netted them I think the fifth pick, and they

1024
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 2: got Witherspoon, who was a high end player. But a

1025
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 2: lot of their guys, the guards from North Dakota State's

1026
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: able Byron Murphy, those were teams that went like nine

1027
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: to eight or ten and seven. So he was picking

1028
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 2: in the teens and he hit home runs. So a

1029
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: lot of GMS you know him, I know him in personnel. Well, bitch,

1030
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: like you know, it's hard to find a guy at sixteen.

1031
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: I didn't see John Snyder complaining he just got impact

1032
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl guys with those couple of picks. Obviously, the

1033
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold thing, even he admitted we tried to pay Gino.

1034
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: We kind of low balled them relative I mean, they

1035
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 2: were offering him thirty five million dollars. He thought he

1036
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: was with Fortis like, fine, we're not We're gonna have

1037
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 2: a number see you later. We'll go to Sam for

1038
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: basically a cheaper price. And it's not like Sam. You know,

1039
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 2: he was better last year, right, thirty five touchdowns this

1040
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 2: year a little up and down with the turnovers, but

1041
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 2: he's much more seasoned. Like you saw him last night,

1042
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: it felt like a guy under control. He's injured, he

1043
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 2: understands the circumstance. Play under control, play like Jimmy Garoppolo

1044
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, which back to CJ. Stroud, can be hard

1045
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: for guys who were star guys drafted high. You just

1046
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 2: view yourself and that's why when people make the transition.

1047
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 2: Rich Gannons talked about this. You know, it used to

1048
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: happen a lot, like even before I was born, Jim Plunkett,

1049
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 2: Guys that have been really humbled and then kind of

1050
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: know their role. I think it is very difficult for

1051
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 2: these guys to be like, hey, JJ McCarthy, you were

1052
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 2: a top ten pick, but we need you to play

1053
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: a little different now. And the version they got out

1054
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: of Sam Donald last night, that will win them the

1055
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: Super Bowl if he can just if they can play

1056
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 2: in games where they're not even throwing at twenty times

1057
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 2: a game, they might blow out the next two teams

1058
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: they play. Maybe not forty one to six. But when

1059
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: it shocked you, if they won the next two games

1060
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: by double digits, if Sam Donald is attempting less than

1061
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: twenty balls, they can run the ball in their defense.

1062
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: Houston could do that if they just had a normal offense.

1063
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 2: When you have that level of defense, Houston's defense seattles

1064
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 2: defense even Denver. I keep hearing their defense is not

1065
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 2: as good as it was last year. It's not bad, no,

1066
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: but it's not dominant by anything. I mean, they got

1067
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: shredded on the ground. You can't do anything on Seattle.

1068
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, the Niners overachieved all season.

1069
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: They had no business beating Philly and Philly. Philly fell

1070
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: apart offensively in coaching. So I mean, to me, Trent

1071
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: Williams said it, after once you beat Philly and Philly

1072
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: with this roster, you're going up to Seattle. You got

1073
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: no George Kittle. I've always said this, if you speed

1074
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: brock perty up, he becomes pretty normal. I mean, Christian

1075
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: McCaffrey in two games against the Seahawks couldn't do anything.

1076
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: So you know, McCaffrey's got Christians not helping. He's averaging

1077
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: three yards of carry. There's no Kittle. I'm sorry that

1078
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: the secondary for Seattle in the pass rush. This was

1079
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: a roster mismatch, and I do think San Francisco hitting

1080
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: a couple of young players, but I felt it was

1081
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: a roster mismatch, all right. John Harbaugh to the New

1082
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: York Giants, let's finish with this. Stefanski, by the way,

1083
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: gets the Atlanta job. A lot of offensive skill people.

1084
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: Not sure what the Steelers are doing. They're gonna get

1085
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: the third choice because the Ravens they're coming in. They're

1086
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: probably I think you would choose the Ravens over the Steelers,

1087
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: So excuse me. The Steelers will get the fourth choice

1088
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: at you know, and this is a rone. He's not

1089
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: super aggressive in the free agent market, the trade deadline,

1090
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: of the coaching market. They're not good at this. So

1091
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: Giants get their guy Atlanta against their guy. Baltimore's probably

1092
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: next top of the food chain with Steve Bushatti, Lamar Jackson.

1093
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: Good roster. Steelers at best get fourth, Watch out Pittsburgh.

1094
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh to New York. So I text the GM today,

1095
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: I said, Joe Shane, I mean John Harbaugh's making twenty

1096
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 1: million a year. Joe Shane has no leverage, and that's

1097
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: what he said. This is John is going to go

1098
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: straight tomorrow. I have picked four years in a row.

1099
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: My double year win total team, Giants went four and thirteen.

1100
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: I actually think they're going to be a ten or

1101
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: eleven win team next year. I think Washington's a bit

1102
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: of a mess. Dallas, we don't know what they're doing

1103
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: with the coaching position. I think they're bringing the you know,

1104
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: they're bringing Brian Schottenheimer back. They still have some real

1105
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: holes defensively. You know, you get to watch Jackson Dart

1106
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh and watch Jackson for a year and say,

1107
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: let's see, I'm gonna I'm gonna start him and see

1108
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: if I like him. Because it's good. They're gonna be

1109
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: going into a great quarterback draft out of college. I

1110
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: think it sets up really well. I think between Andrew Thomas,

1111
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: if they get a right tackle like the Tampa Bay

1112
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: Buccaneers did with Brady Go get a right tackle, there's

1113
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: three good ones in the first round. I think offensively

1114
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: they're going to be interesting. They've got Duel Carter, they

1115
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 1: got Brian Burns, probably needs some secondary help. I strongly

1116
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: believe that this is a they don't need a schematic guy. John.

1117
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: They don't need a play caller. They need a culture changer.

1118
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: There's no Shanahans on the market, right, that's rare. You

1119
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: get the CEO and the play caller, play designer. Harbottom

1120
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: is what they needed. Successful culture builder, good staff builder.

1121
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: I like, I'll be honest, if they get the right

1122
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: tackle and a corner and a tight end and the

1123
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: draft John, I like their roster.

1124
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 2: Yeah to me, and it's a great fit for him. Yeah.

1125
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 2: When it when he got fired and then the next

1126
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 2: day they fire Mike McDaniel and it was like they're

1127
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 2: gonna go after him. I was like, John Harbott in Miami.

1128
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 2: That feels like a weirdest fit. That feels like where

1129
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 2: a guy goes to kind of retire in his shoes.

1130
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 2: To me, he feels New York giants. You know. Since

1131
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight he got hired with Philadelphia. I think

1132
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 2: that was the year before Andy Reid even got there. Yeah,

1133
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: and Andy kept him and then so basically from ninety

1134
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: eight till a couple of weeks ago, he's been in

1135
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 2: Philadelphia and Baltimore. R Like he belongs in that area.

1136
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 2: He's company, he feels like that area yes, yeah, I was.

1137
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: I don't really remember the Walsh Niner era, but there

1138
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 2: was one team that could handle him, and it was

1139
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: Bill Parcells. And then the one team that could take

1140
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 2: down Brady and Belichick it was Tom Coughlin. And I

1141
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 2: would say that when Bill Parcells and Tom Coughlin. I

1142
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 2: remember meeting Tom Coughlin one time at the combine. He's

1143
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 2: not the biggest, most intimidating human. It's not like a

1144
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: Vrabel or a Jim Harbaugh. But when you met him,

1145
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 2: you felt like, this guy's the boss, you know, just

1146
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 2: like stand up straight, and to me, that's what the

1147
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 2: bringing to the table. So the Giants, now you could

1148
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 2: argue this about New York. Think about the successful coaches,

1149
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 2: even remove football pat Riley, right, Joe Tory, they've kind

1150
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 2: of been like, yeah, this guy's the boss. And the

1151
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 2: last decade since they got rid of Coughlin, which wasn't

1152
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: the wrong move, it was time, right, they got a

1153
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: bunch of guys that like, this guy's a number two,

1154
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 2: this guy's at number three, this guy's no in this market.

1155
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: To you can pull it off in some of these

1156
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 2: smaller market spots, you have no chance. In New York.

1157
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 2: You get eaten alive. The Jets make that mistake a

1158
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 2: lot right, and John Harbaugh will come in. I mean,

1159
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 2: look at they are very very lucky that this played

1160
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 2: out the way it did because it gives them a

1161
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: chance to change the franchise.

1162
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: Also, John, when you do the first hire, you get

1163
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: the best staff. So this is why I worry about Pittsburgh.

1164
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: So Atlanta immediately goes and gets Stefanski because they want

1165
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: to get the best. Stefanski wants to get that defensive

1166
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: staff in. Because Stefanski's gonna get a good offensive staff.

1167
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: He's a bright guy. He wants to get special teams

1168
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: in defense taken care of. So I mean, to me,

1169
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: I think Atlanta is very attractive in terms of offensive skill,

1170
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: pretty good offensive line. I think their stability in Arthur Blank,

1171
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: I think people respect Arthur Blank. I think Stefanski's really bright.

1172
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: It's a weaker division. You're playing indoors, you know. To me,

1173
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: I think Stefanski would fit there. But the minute the

1174
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: Giants went horriball, I think Atlanta looks at that and goes,

1175
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: all right, let's get our guy. That's where I worry

1176
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: about Pittsburgh because they don't do this at least Atlanta

1177
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: and the Giants have. They have a history of hiring

1178
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: coaches and the process.

1179
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 2: My only issue with the Giants thing is the Giants

1180
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 2: had to do whatever it took to get this guy.

1181
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 2: They gave one hundred million dollars. I mean, great time

1182
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 2: to be a coach. I mean, how much money is

1183
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 2: John Harbaugh gonna make over the course? By twenty and thirty,

1184
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 2: he'll be worth like hundreds of millions of dollars. This

1185
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 2: guy's These guys are crushing it. But I do think

1186
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 2: you've got to be very careful. And Andy's like his mentor,

1187
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 2: guy that he looks up to. I think that helped.

1188
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: He talked to a bunch when Andy went to Kansas City.

1189
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 2: He said, listen, I do not want to pick the players. Now,

1190
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 2: I'm not saying John is saying that, but when you

1191
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 2: put yourself away away from the GM, you have all

1192
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 2: the juice to me the Giants. What they should do is, listen,

1193
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: we are gonna put you at the top of the

1194
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 2: food chain, but we want you, like your brother with Ortiz,

1195
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 2: get someone you really respect so you can lean on him, like.

1196
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: You know what.

1197
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 2: Demico doesn't have to worry about picking players. Casario does

1198
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: it all right, you know what, Mike McDonald doesn't have

1199
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 2: to worry about picking players. John does it all focus

1200
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 2: on coaching, focus on the culture. Obviously, you impact who

1201
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 2: we draft and sign. But right now, John's kind of

1202
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 2: it's kind of Gruden like. And Mark Davis said, I

1203
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: want you to work with Reggie mackenzie for a year.

1204
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 2: You know why because I think a lot of these owners,

1205
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 2: they spend way more time with the GM. They end

1206
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 2: up liking the guy. I'm sure they like Joe Shane

1207
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 2: a lot. This is never gonna Joe Shane. I would

1208
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 2: be stunt now. I said that about Sean Payton with

1209
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 2: the guy he's still there. The GM that you know

1210
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 2: kind of fall so it's it's never guaranteed. You know,

1211
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: he's got a year to sell himself. And George pat

1212
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 2: Peyton Patton, right, yeah, still Shawn's GM.

1213
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: He's respected though, I mean, he's pretty good personnel guy.

1214
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 2: Had turned down G interviews for like seven years before

1215
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 2: he got the Denver job. He was kind of like

1216
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 2: you know, Chris Ballard, Adam Peters. There are these rare

1217
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: personnel guys that, like Cassario was like, that have a

1218
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 2: run where they kind of picked their specific job. This

1219
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like that with Joe Shane, and it almost

1220
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 2: feels inevitable that he's just gonna have a raven type

1221
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 2: guy in that spot. Why not do it right now?

1222
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 2: Why not just start fresh? So John, because sometimes coaches

1223
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 2: they think a lot different than personnel guys.

1224
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Corsonnelle.

1225
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 2: Guys can be a little less emotional, can think bigger

1226
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 2: picture stuff. They understand the marketplace of the draft a

1227
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 2: little bit better. And I'd just be Now, the Giants

1228
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 2: don't really have a crazy It's not like there's a

1229
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: Khalil Mack for him to trade or you know, something

1230
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 2: crazy for him. But in a year he could do

1231
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 2: something that maybe he would regret in two years that

1232
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 2: he didn't have to do that in Baltimore because he

1233
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 2: had Ozzy and Ericacosta and by many consider the best

1234
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 2: one of the best staffs in the league. Now he's

1235
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 2: going he's you know Vrabel when he went to New England,

1236
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 2: brought one of his guys to Tennessee to work with

1237
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 2: Elliott Wolf. I have a lot of friends that think,

1238
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 2: you watch John will bring uh, you know, a Baltimore

1239
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 2: guy with him, But then that's what's the point. You know,

1240
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 2: it's I'd be very careful about that. Totally pro The

1241
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 2: higher think it's a no brainer, but that the coach

1242
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 2: having too much jew Sometimes they can I think he

1243
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 2: told you O'Connor, we plan on making the playoffs next year.

1244
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy's not coming there to uh the rebuild.

1245
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's hard enough to be a GM.

1246
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: I think you have to be very careful about wanting

1247
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,439
Speaker 1: that power. Sean Payton has had some power, but again

1248
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: has a really strong guy. Joe Shane, I don't. I

1249
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: don't think is going to rise to a top five GM.

1250
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: The Saquon Barkley move because it was so public and

1251
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,919
Speaker 1: on TV. But I mean, let's be honest. Abdul Carter

1252
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: was skataboo. Jackson Dart Malik neighbors when he's healthy. I mean,

1253
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: there are some players on this roster that he's done

1254
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: a pretty good job. Joe Shane hasn't. He hasn't whipped

1255
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: I mean Brandon Bean with the Buffalo Bills has. I mean,

1256
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: there's some big whiffs here. Joe Shane's done been more

1257
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: than competent for a lot of his draft picks. The

1258
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: Saquon Bartley thing is going to hang over him forever.

1259
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: That's why that's another reason why you don't want to

1260
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: do one of these HBO Hard Knocks shows. But I

1261
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: my argument is that division between Dallas's dysfunction. You know,

1262
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn, keep your eyes on that, Adam Peters basically

1263
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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury felt he was bullied. Now you don't have

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Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator Jade and Daniels. You cross your fingers.

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Speaker 1: Siriani's going to maintain his job. So my take it,

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Speaker 1: this is not one of the stronger coach divisions. This

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Speaker 1: is not mcveay, Shanahan and Mike McDonald. Okay, this division

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Speaker 1: is a Harbaugh. The minute you hired Rabel, best coach

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Speaker 1: in the division, the minute you hired John Harbaugh, best

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Speaker 1: coach in the division. That usually works out well.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think what you can see with Washington come

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Speaker 2: from a mile away is Mike Tomlin, because I'm pretty

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Speaker 2: sure Mike Tomlin's from that general area. Yeah, and he's

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Speaker 2: going to go on TV. His stock is only going

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Speaker 2: to skyrocket. And who's their owner? An NBA guy? Who

1276
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 2: is he hired Doc Rivers. Nick Nurse won an NBA

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Speaker 2: championship in NB get Paul George like, the NBA's a

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01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 2: splash your league, and that's he's kind of used to that.

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Speaker 2: And he goes, well, we haven't even won, but we've

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Speaker 2: always been a topic of conversation. We can win and

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Speaker 2: be a topic of conversation. To me, you can see

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Speaker 2: it coming from a mile away. The Tomlin thing. Who's

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Speaker 2: his right hand man now, Bob Myers, NBA guy, their

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Speaker 2: mental Bushott, he's an NFL guy, thinks big picture, can

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Speaker 2: take a deep breath, doesn't live you know, on Twitter,

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Speaker 2: like doesn't even care. Right, most of these NFL owners,

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Speaker 2: they're making so much money. They realize that they've been

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Speaker 2: making the money before social media. They realize how irrelevant

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Speaker 2: is the NBA is a little bit more day to

1290
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Speaker 2: day Internet, all out flashy headlines and Josh Harris like,

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Speaker 2: to me, dan Quinn's a year away. You don't make

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Speaker 2: the playoffs next year, which the Eagles obviously they're coach,

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Speaker 2: but they're gonna be good. You know, they got good players.

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Speaker 1: Dallas. Ben Johnson turned down Washington. His takeaway was the

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Speaker 1: Washington guys, the NBA, Washington guys thought they knew a

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Speaker 1: little more about football than they really did. Those your

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Speaker 1: NBA guys. Yeah, I think the Tomlin thing, I think

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Speaker 1: you're right about. And Tomlin's not a college or a

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Speaker 1: West coast guy. He wants to stay east. That's his heritage,

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Speaker 1: that's his history, that's what he feels comfortable doing. Again,

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Speaker 1: some of these guys, Belichick, Vrabel, Tomlin, Harbaugh, they just

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Speaker 1: feel like they're at home. They feel comfort. Where you

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Speaker 1: live dictates a lot of your happiness and comfort and confidence.

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Speaker 1: And I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: I give Mike a lot of credit if truly and

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Speaker 2: who knows exactly the behind the scenes detail, but if

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Speaker 2: he truly looked in the mirror, and he probably would

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Speaker 2: have known this before the day that he announced, Like,

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Speaker 2: this thing's over, right, they're gonna be better off. I

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Speaker 2: need to move. Sean Payton did the same thing, like, guys,

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Speaker 2: this thing's done, we need both pivot nineteen eighteen years.

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Speaker 2: You know, John Harbaugh, it's hard. I mean, they reports

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomalin's making twenty five million dollars. Most human being

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Speaker 2: to no walk away from that. But he saw this

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Speaker 2: team a lot like the Saints. It's gonna get uglier

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Speaker 2: before it gets better. Yeah, what was the Rooney's quote?

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Speaker 2: We don't plan on rebuilding. Well, bro, you might need

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Speaker 2: to like, yeah, this is twenty twenty six, check your roster.

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Speaker 2: You got problems. So I think Mike Tomlin if dan

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Speaker 2: Quinn is dan Quinn. You know, he's a great guy.

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Speaker 2: People love him. Is he missing? And he's had a

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Speaker 2: good little run there with McCarthy. They had some really

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Speaker 2: good players there for a couple of years. I like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think he's mid. I think that's fair. I think

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Speaker 1: he's a nice guy. I think he's pretty mid. I

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Speaker 1: think coaching is getting better and smarter, and I just

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Speaker 1: even defensive coaches. I don't put him in like a

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Speaker 1: Mike McDonald class, or a Robert Solid class, or a

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Speaker 1: Demico Ryan's class, agreed.

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Speaker 2: The volume