1 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to tech stuff. I'm Ma's Volocian. Happy New Year. 2 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: It's a new year, it's a new you, it's a 3 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: new me. Maybe it's definitely an opportunity to set some 4 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: new intentions. But as we all know, building habits can 5 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: be rather tricky. 6 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: We don't as a society talk about how to set 7 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: goals that makes sense, So you know, it's very common 8 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: to be like, this year, I'm going to eat super 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 2: healthy and I'm going to lose fifty pounds, and this 10 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: is my year, and you don't really set achievable goals 11 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: within that. 12 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: This is Victorious Song, who's a senior tech reviewer for 13 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: The Verge. 14 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: Your new year's resolutions should come in different sizes, so 15 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: there should be something that's, like, my big goal is 16 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: to lose fifty pounds, but this year, I'll be happy 17 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: if I just lose ten because that's achievable. And then 18 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: once you hit that achievable thing, you can adjust and 19 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: ty trate. But you really gotta set the bar so 20 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: low so that you can build momentum. You really want 21 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 2: to make it so easy it feels like you're cheating. 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: Anything we can do to make meeting goals easier is 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: of interest to me, and obviously, as the host of 24 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: a tech podcast, I have a natural curiosity about how 25 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: tech can help us not just reset intentions, but actually 26 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: stick to new commitments at this time of year. And 27 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to talk to Victoria, because she 28 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,919 Speaker 1: is a professional wearer of wearables, a full time tester 29 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: of products that promise to optimize everything about us, and 30 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: Karen and I both wanted to know what products actually 31 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: help you build habits, because, as we all know, it's 32 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: easy to make excuses. 33 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: It is so easy to just go, I'll just sit 34 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: on the couch. Oh it's cold out, Oh it's raining. 35 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: I don't have time to do that, And it's very 36 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: easy to fall into a perfectionistic this is the correct 37 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: way to do it, and if I don't do it 38 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: perfectly or correctly, I've messed up. Or oh I didn't 39 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: make much progress in January, that's it. Like there's eleven 40 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: other months of the year for you to make progress. 41 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: Like you have to kind of take a very holistic 42 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: approach to New Year's resolutions. 43 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: So, without further ado, let's make those New Year's resolutions 44 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: stick or at least try. 45 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us Victoria, thank you for having me. 46 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 3: Did I spot a wearable on you today? 47 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: I'm actually going quite light. I only have an order 48 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 2: ring in the Apple Watch. I get a lot of 49 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: data overwhelmed as part of my job, so sometimes it's 50 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: very important to just take them off and only use 51 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: the bare minimum. Occasionally I'll take them all off and 52 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: force myself to go on a run where I, quote 53 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: unquote get no credit. And you know, I have to 54 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: live with that and the comfortable without discomfort. Otherwise it's 55 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: way too easy to get sucked into. Oh it doesn't 56 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: count unless I recorded it somewhere, and that's just absolutely 57 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: not true. 58 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: I have a perennial goal of losing weight, and the 59 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: way I don't test it, the way I don't achieve 60 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: that is I never weigh myself. So I live in 61 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: blissful ignorance. But you mentioned, you know, losing fifty pounds. 62 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: I feel like this whole year in January, like that's 63 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: what's on a lot of people's minds. Have you tried 64 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: or experienced any tech that's actually helpful in terms of 65 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: beginning of fitness journey. 66 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot. It's a very crowded field. But 67 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: if you're a beginner, you're someone who doesn't have an 68 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: existing fitness regime right now. One app I like is 69 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: called Chandler Streaks. It kind of turns the idea of 70 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: streaks on its head because streaks can be a prison. 71 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: On the one hand, you're gamifying consistency, and consistency is 72 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: the most important thing with any fitness regime. But I 73 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: know so many people who have become beholden to their 74 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: streaks that it becomes like a psychological stranglehold. Gentler Streaks 75 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 2: is nice because it incorporates the idea of rest and recovery. 76 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: It kind of allows you to be like, Hey, I'm sick, 77 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: I need a break from my streak, and you don't 78 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: have that psychological pitfall of going, oh, I broke my streak. 79 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 2: Everything is messed up now I might as well just 80 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: give up completely. It's oh, you know, like you can 81 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: take two or three days off, just get back into it. 82 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 2: But I know friends who got super into the streaks 83 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: on their Apple watch and closing their rings, and then 84 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: they would get COVID or they would get a flu 85 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: and they'd be like, it's time for me to walk 86 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 2: outside so I can hit my step mark. That's insane, 87 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: that's crazy, like that's not taking care of your health. 88 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 3: Are there products that at first you thought like there's 89 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 3: absolutely no way this will motivate me, and then you 90 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 3: were pleasantly surprised. 91 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 2: Fantasy Hike was one of them. So something like Generller 92 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: Streaks is Fantasy Hike. It's on both iOS and Android 93 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: now and it's kind of like a copyright friendly version 94 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: of Walking to Mordor. So if you're a Lord of 95 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: the Rings fan, it's kind of a fun thing to do, 96 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 2: and it's very low stakes because it's just counting how 97 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: many steps you take in a day, and you can 98 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 2: track your progress to mourdoor and there's fictional competitors that 99 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 2: you can go against, like Mister Underfoot, which is proto, 100 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: or Harry flit Potter and John Snowflake and all of 101 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: those things. It's very low key. You're always making progress 102 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 2: in that game. So it's something that you can be 103 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: like just going for a time minute walk every day. 104 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: That's a really good start to fitness, even if it 105 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: feels like it's not impressive, because that's really a pitfall. 106 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: People genuinely think like I've got to work myself out 107 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 2: to the point of exhaustion. I've got to hit fifteen 108 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 2: thousand steps every single day and just do threey five 109 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: hundred and work your way it from there, like truly 110 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: go easy on yourself. 111 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: We talked a bit about fitness. What about sleep? This 112 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: is another thing. I used to have a sleep tracker, 113 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: but I also stop wearing that because I kind of 114 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: got it in this little bit stress cycle about like 115 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: saying knowing, well, that didn't go enough sleep, and then 116 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: I'm more stressed about it. And now if I wake 117 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: up in the night and have it insomnia, it doesn't matter, 118 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: like you'll just you know, you've got to sleep and 119 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: issue don't you don't, It's all fine. Like my mental 120 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: talk track is like don't worry about it, rather than like, ha, 121 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: it gave. 122 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 3: Me sleep hypochondria, that's what it gave me. 123 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: But are there good ways to track sleep that are 124 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: actually beneficial to getting better sleep? Do you think? Victoria? 125 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: So, most sleep trackers are like fitness trackers, but for sleep. 126 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: And I would say that aura is not a bad 127 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: one because it's sort of giving you a holistic look 128 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: at what you are tracking. So it's not just your sleep, 129 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: it's how your sleep impacts your stress levels and your 130 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 2: recovery levels, and the key to all of us is 131 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: to just take it with a grain of salt. You're 132 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 2: building a baseline. But there are some sleep buds that 133 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 2: I like. Anchor makes some I think they're called the 134 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: Sound or a something. Oslo is another one if you 135 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: are someone who has a hard time falling asleep. These 136 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: are buds that are designed to go in your ear. 137 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: Their flat profile, so it's not like an AirPod, and 138 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: you can connect it and listen to white noise, or 139 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: you can listen to your favorite podcast or audiobook as 140 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: you're falling asleep. 141 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: I love white noise, by the way, but my wife's 142 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: not a white, white noise person, so having private white 143 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: noise could be a game changer for me. 144 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, my spouse uses that. I've used it in the past. 145 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: It can really help if you have a really noisy neighbor, 146 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: and then if you really have money to burn. One 147 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: gadget that I tested and then bought with my own 148 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: money is eight Sleep. 149 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: It sleep You're an eight sleep I just did? Wow? 150 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: I did? I bought it? Maybe I tested it and 151 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: it improved my sleep and improved my spouse and sleep. 152 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: What is it? Oh? 153 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 3: Please tell him what an aid sleep is. The aid 154 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: sleep erati or a real group of people, and you 155 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 3: now are one of them. 156 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: I'm not a crazy one. It just really did make 157 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: a demonstrable difference in our sleep quality. So the eight 158 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: sleep is a smart mattress cover. You use your own mattress, 159 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: you don't have to buy the mattress from them. It 160 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: has a water tank and it basically adjusts the temperature 161 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: of your bed. So if let's say your spouse they 162 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: run warm and they want their bed to be cooler, 163 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: their side of the bed can be cooler. And I 164 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: like to be warm when I fall asleep, and so 165 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 2: my bed can be nice and toasty. And it also 166 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: tracks your sleep quality. So if you want a sleep 167 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: tracker and something that adjusts temperature in one, you can 168 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: do that. There is a version that is a little 169 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: bit more premium, but it has a base and it 170 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: can elevate you when it detects snoring. My spouse used 171 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: to snore a lot, and this has kind of helped 172 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: because it works. It genuinely works. As I woke up 173 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: one time very briefly and I was like, why am 174 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: I being elevated? Oh, they're snoring? And now they're not snoring. Okay, 175 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: I can fall back asleep. So there's a silent alarm function, 176 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: so you know your bed will buzz you awake in 177 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: the morning, but your partner can sleep through it. It's 178 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: a game changer for me and my spouse. It's one 179 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: of the best things you can do for your health 180 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: is to figure out a really great sleep routine or 181 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 2: find things that help you stay a sleep longer. 182 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: It's kind of worth its weight in gold, then, it. 183 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 2: Really is, which is why we'll be paying for another year. 184 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: Victoria, Can I ask you to take us inside the 185 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: toilet bowl? 186 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: Oh? 187 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like there's a deluge of toilet analysis 188 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: this year, and I'm curious for your take on it. 189 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: This is kind of a trend that's popping up while 190 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: Withings is a French tech company and I saw this 191 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 2: at CUS a couple of years ago and they were like, 192 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 2: we've made an at home your analysis lab. So it's 193 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 2: like I call it a pea shell because it looks 194 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: like a shell shape and you stick it in your 195 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: toilet and your pee on it, and depending on the 196 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: cartridge that's in there, it'll measure like your vitamin C levels, 197 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 2: your hydration, your pH and for some reason, if you 198 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: would like to track those things you now can. There 199 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: are other devices that I'm seeing start to hit the 200 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: market because it's a wellness trend right now to quote 201 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: unquote balance your hormones. I think this is something I 202 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 2: will be looking into further and testing. Unfortunately, I can't 203 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 2: believe this is part of my job to pee on 204 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: gadgets now. But you know, for reproductive health, that is 205 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: a thing that a lot of companies are interested in. 206 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: There's a huge gap in foundational people with uterus's health 207 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: data because fun fact, it wasn't required to have women 208 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: or menstruating people as part of clinical trials until nineteen 209 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 2: ninety three. So the vast majority of what we know 210 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 2: about health today is based on men's bodies, and they 211 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: just women are smaller version of men, So let's apply 212 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: the same things. And what researchers and doctors have been 213 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: finding is that's absolutely not true. So if you have 214 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: issues with fertility, for example, or if you have one 215 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: of a number of conditions like perimenopause or PCOS, which 216 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: is polycystic overy syndrome, they're claiming that you can be 217 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: on these hormone test kits and track your health that way, 218 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 2: and so that when you go to the doctor and 219 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 2: you're like, I think I have these things. These are 220 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: my reproductive hormone levels from my PE that has been 221 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 2: collected over a period of time. What do you think 222 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: about that? Because going to the doctor getting your analysis 223 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: test that way, it's really just a spot check. It's 224 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: not something that's collected over time. And that is one 225 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: of the benefits. But you know, it's expensive. A lot 226 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: of them require you to buy refills. So we'll see 227 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: if it takes off. But I can't tell you the 228 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: number of pitches I get for p tech these days. 229 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 3: It's it's a good name for it, p tech. 230 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, where does RFK Junius in all of this? 231 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: He's annoying, but he you know, just to be frank. 232 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 2: He came out in June and he was basically saying like, hey, 233 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 2: I want every American to be wearing a wearable within 234 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: the next four years. I mean, the man has an 235 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 2: interesting view of science. To put it, not even somewhat neutrally, 236 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: but he basically was like, hey, you can take personal responsibility. 237 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 2: I have friends who reverse their diabetes through using continuous 238 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: glucose monitors, which there are now versions of continuous glucose 239 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: monitors that are over the counter. Companies are calling them 240 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: glucose biosensors. They are marketed towards people who do not 241 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 2: have diabetes, or who have type two diabetes but aren't 242 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: using insulin, or pre diabetic people so that they can 243 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,359 Speaker 2: use these devices and just kind of have a continuous 244 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: stream for about a two week period of their glucose 245 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: and how food impact. So a lot of physicians are 246 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: hopeful about that technology. I've tested it. It comes with 247 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 2: pros and cons. If you are someone who maybe does 248 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: have pre diabetes, you can really see how your lifestyle 249 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 2: impacts your glucose. You can learn what foods are triggers 250 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 2: for your specific body. There's like a definite benefit there. 251 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: Jerry's out on whether people who are non diabetic and 252 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: perfectly good health need to add this to their tracking regime, 253 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 2: but there's a lot of people who are excited about 254 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: this technology. It's available if you want it. Blood and 255 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: Pea that's the new frontier for wearable tech. 256 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 3: I think that's the pulk quill. Blood and Pea is 257 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 3: the new frontier of wearable tech. You've written a lot 258 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 3: about the wellness surveillance state, and that we might just 259 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 3: be giving too much of our health data away. I 260 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 3: think a lot of people who are interested in tracking 261 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 3: biometric data are also interested in not giving information about 262 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 3: themselves away. Do you have any support or advice for 263 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 3: people with privacy concerns? 264 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: If you truly want your data to be private, none 265 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 2: of these tech solutions is a good idea. There is 266 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: a divide between what is considered medical tech, which is 267 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 2: protected by HIPPA in the United States. A lot of 268 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 2: the tech that you see right now, where it's just 269 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: like tracking in some respect that is not hippoprotected. It 270 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 2: does not fall under the FDA's oversight. And even if 271 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 2: it is hippoprotected, it is kind of an inadequate piece 272 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: of legislation. It was drafted a really long time ago. 273 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: There's a lot of concerns about how wearable data fits 274 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 2: into all of that. So the only responsible answer I 275 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: can give you is that you just have to be 276 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: cognizant of what you're sharing, and are you okay with 277 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 2: these companies having access to your PE data. I have 278 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: just resigned the fact that my personal data for my 279 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: job is kind of out there but if that's something 280 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: that you're really concerned about, I would steer clear. You 281 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: got to do a lot of research into the privacy 282 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: policies of these companies. At the Verge, when we review anything, 283 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 2: we have a section at the end of our reviews 284 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 2: called agree to Continue where we list all of the 285 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 2: policies that you are prompted to agree to whenever you 286 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: use a new product. Yeah, that's the dystopic reality about 287 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: might be. 288 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: After the break, tech to help you save, and even 289 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: tech to help you unplug stay with us. I mean, 290 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: you yourself are quite interesting personal journey. Somebody who had 291 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: to use a lot of wearables for work, somebody who 292 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: experienced health problems, and somebody who's still today despite it 293 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: all uses wearable So can you just kind of spent 294 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: out your own journey with this field technology. 295 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 296 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 2: Actually, before I ever got into this line of work, 297 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: I had experienced something like a sixty pound weight gain 298 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: and I was like, what is happening. I haven't changed 299 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: a single dang thing. This is really crazy. And so 300 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: I got into fitbits. This was like over ten years ago, 301 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: and I was eating right, I was tracking all of 302 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: my calories, I was getting hyper obsessive about it, having 303 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: some disordered eating habits, and nothing was changing. And I 304 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 2: went to my doctors. I was showing them all this 305 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: wearable data. And it took me two years and a 306 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: lot of false diagnoses, but I eventually was diagnosed with 307 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: polycystic over syndrome, which is a metabolic condition that causes 308 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: many women to gain weight against their will. I also 309 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: started testing these over the counter CGM or glucose biosensors, 310 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 2: whatever they want to call them, and I was like, 311 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: oh my god, am I pre diabetic? Because PCOS actually 312 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 2: causes insulin resistance in many women, and I was seeing 313 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: crazy numbers on there that didn't really make any sense. 314 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: So I started going to the doctors and they're like, no, 315 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: you're a one C which is your blood sugar marker 316 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 2: for about a three month period. That's totally fine. You're 317 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: not pre diabetic at all, but something's up. And then 318 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: I eventually found out that I have non alcoholic fatty 319 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 2: liver disease, and I was like, oh, okay, so it's 320 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: been a rollercoaster of a journey. I do think that 321 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: they can help you, but one thing that I think 322 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 2: these companies are lacking is proper guidance on how to 323 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 2: make sure that you were using the tools and that 324 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 2: the tools are not using you. So that's kind of 325 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 2: what I've made a lot of my work about because 326 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: I really think that it's not talked about enough. 327 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 3: They sort of just get unleashed into the world, and 328 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 3: we as people using them have to just wrap our 329 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 3: heads around how to best use them. There's no like 330 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 3: and this is how you use the or ring responsibly. 331 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: Yes, a lot of these companies are like, oh, well, 332 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 2: we have informational blurbs in there so that people could 333 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: make the best decision for themselves. And it's like, sure, 334 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 2: you can know better and still fall into these very 335 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: insidious habits thinking that you're doing something great for yourself, 336 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: but you're paying a cost elsewhere. So it's something that 337 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 2: I think we should have much more public conversations about, 338 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: for sure. 339 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 3: So there are other categories around New Year's resolutions that 340 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 3: revolve around money, you know, either saving money or making money. 341 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: Is there any tech or apps that you recommend for 342 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 3: this kind of resolution making? 343 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 2: I really like wine app, which means you need a budget. 344 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: I've been using it for over ten years. I believe 345 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 2: it's one hundred dollars a year, but because I use it, 346 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 2: I definitely save one hundred dollars every month. 347 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 3: So in your wine app. 348 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 2: Yes, wineab is in my wine app. And it uses 349 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: the envelope method for personal finance, where you take your 350 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 2: income and you assign each dollar a job, and that 351 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 2: really works for me. It is a little more finicky. 352 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: I think it's really great for type A people, of 353 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: which I am. But another one I think is Rocket Money, 354 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 2: which I've tested, and the one thing I like from 355 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 2: them is that they will, for a small fee, negotiate 356 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 2: your subscriptions for you, some of them. And I was like, 357 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: oh my god, that's amazing because now for the New 358 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: York Times every year they just lower my monthly price 359 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: and I don't really do anything for it. And that's great. 360 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 3: Because Rocket Money is actually negotiating with the New York Times. 361 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: Yes it's not. It's not for every service. So if 362 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 2: you think you're going to like renegotiate all your bills 363 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: in there, that's not true. But like I've negotiated down 364 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 2: my Wall Street Journal bill and my New York Times. 365 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 3: Bill, so they for me as a customer. 366 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't pay full price. 367 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 3: Ever, it's great Oh, that's a very cool tip. 368 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 369 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: What about and this is sort of ironic, but what 370 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: about like tech or products that can help you spend 371 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: less time with tech? Or products like unplugging products, which 372 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: is another big thing people, I think. 373 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 374 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I actually got something called Brick. It is 375 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: a small actually have it on my desk, and it 376 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 2: is kind of a nuclear option in some respects. You 377 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: sometimes sometimes you need to go nuclear. I was spending 378 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 2: way too much time on my phone for work and 379 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 2: for other things, and my spouse was like, we need 380 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: to have an intervention because you cannot watch a TV 381 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: show without being on your phone, and that is not okay. 382 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 3: That's the definitely people for a couple couples. 383 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know they had been using it. They said, 384 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 2: I think you should really try it. And basically, it's 385 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 2: like this little NFC brick and you tap your phone 386 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 2: to it and when you enter a certain mode, it 387 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 2: just locks all of your apps and the only way 388 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 2: to unlock your app The only way to unlock your 389 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 2: apps is to physically tap this physical brick. If you 390 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 2: lose the brick, there are five emergency overrides, and once 391 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 2: you use up your emergency overrides. Your phone has to 392 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 2: be completely reset. It is quite drastic. It does require 393 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: maybe that you're not someone who's going to lose the brick, 394 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 2: But I find that that's been really helpful for when 395 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 2: I notice that I am on my phone while watching TV, 396 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 2: like I shouldn't be doing that. I should be paying 397 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 2: attention to the TV show. Another thing I've been using 398 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: is something called focus Friend, which Hank Green actually created 399 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: earlier this year. It is a little bean that lives 400 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: inside of your phone. It's like kind of a gamified thing. 401 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 2: It's a take on the palmadoro. A digital bean, a 402 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 2: digital bean, and you basically said it, and for that 403 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 2: time period, you're not doing anything else on your phone 404 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 2: because if you interrupt the bean who likes to knit socks, 405 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 2: you are ruining his sock journey. And for some reason, 406 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 2: he's a very cuy little bean. You don't want to 407 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: ruin his sock journey. You and the bean who you 408 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 2: can name, I named mine Blorbo. You're in it together 409 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 2: and using Blorbo. I have read so many books this 410 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 2: year compared to last year. I've been reading about ten 411 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 2: a month. 412 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 3: Thanks to Dorbo, you've read ten books a month thanks 413 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 3: to Blorbo. I mean I run a book club. I 414 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 3: don't read ten books a month, it's honest to god. 415 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 2: I just do thirty to forty five minutes in the 416 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: morning as part of my routine. I turn Blurbo on 417 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: and I read during that time. And just doing that 418 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 2: every single day, I. 419 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 3: Bet you're rewiring neural pathways, honestly. 420 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: And honestly, it's about finding the hacks that work for you. 421 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 2: Anytime I accidentally hit my phone and it's like, you're 422 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 2: going to interrupt blurbo, Do you want to do that, I'm. 423 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 3: Like, no, I don't want to. 424 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 2: He has to knit his little soakes. So it's actually 425 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 2: quite effective for me. And there's other versions of this 426 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 2: out there, but I find that the Pomadoro method, mixed 427 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: with a cute little bean that you helped decorate his 428 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 2: little house, it does wonders for my reading habit quite truly. 429 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,239 Speaker 3: I recently bought a timer for Pomadora method and it 430 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 3: helps me read scripts. It's like the only way, but 431 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 3: that's a very analog that's like a home Pomodoro is. Basically, 432 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 3: you do twenty five minutes of work timed on a 433 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 3: timer and you set everything else aside and only do 434 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 3: the thing that you want to be working on in 435 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 3: that pomadoro, and then you take a five minute break, 436 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 3: and then you do another pomadoro and you collect pomadoro's. Basically, 437 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 3: it's a very effective way for someone like me who 438 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 3: like gets sucked into my phone or gets sucked into 439 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 3: email to actually focus on the thing that I want 440 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 3: to be doing. 441 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 2: It's also great if you have a hard time starting tasks, 442 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 2: because you can do anything. You can do anything for 443 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 2: twenty five minutes. Ye, you can do it, and you 444 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 2: can adjust it. Yeah, you can adjust it. So like 445 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 2: if you're really having a hard time starting out, you 446 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 2: can just do it for fifteen minutes or something. It 447 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 2: doesn't matter who you are. You can do anything for 448 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 2: fifteen minutes and just to get started on that. And 449 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 2: once you get started, I guarantee you a lot of 450 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 2: times you'll find that out. What was that so procrastinating about? 451 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: This isn't so bad, So it's it's really great. 452 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: Are there any resolutions or resolution based tech that we 453 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: haven't talked about yet that you've been interested in. 454 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 2: If you're trying to set a new habit, I like 455 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 2: this app called Habitica. It's very cute. It's like a 456 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 2: little RPG where you do a little habit tracking and 457 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 2: you level up your little fantasy character. Clearly, I like 458 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 2: fantasy games on my phone. Yeah, but a lot of 459 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 2: people I know have also enjoyed Habiteka. Like doing little 460 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: chores around your house, you get points and experience points 461 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 2: for them. It's very cute if you're trying to like 462 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 2: build a new habit, which is very hard. One thing 463 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 2: that I don't think people give enough credit for is 464 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: that habits are basically programming your brain to do something automatically, 465 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 2: and there's like science behind it. There's something like a 466 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 2: que an action and a reward, and in order to 467 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 2: like have that pathway burned into your brain, it's very difficult. 468 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 2: You have to do it an x number of times. 469 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 2: People will say three weeks, but it could be shorter, 470 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 2: it could be longer. The scientists don't know. But for 471 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 2: however long it takes to burn that habit loop into 472 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 2: your brain, whatever motivation you find is really great, because 473 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 2: behavioral change is one of the hardest things you can 474 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 2: genuinely do. So if you are trying to do a 475 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 2: New Year's resolution, yourself a little graze. It is actually 476 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: quite difficult to change your. 477 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 3: Behavioral as we all sadly know, we very sadly know. 478 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: Well, Victory, that's a good place. And through this conversation, 479 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: I have come up with my new as resolution. What 480 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:37,959 Speaker 1: is spend more time with my friends. 481 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think. 482 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: That's a very lovely New Year's resolution. 483 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 3: Should start calling your friends. What was it? Blur blurbo, 484 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 3: blur blurbo blurbo. Victoria, Thank you, thank you, Victoria, thanks 485 00:25:51,520 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 3: for having me. That's it for this week for tech Stuff. 486 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm Kara Price and I'm os Valoschin. This episode was 487 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: produced by Eliza Dennis, Tyler Hill and Melissa Slaughter. It 488 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: was executive produced by Me, Kara Price, Julia Nutter, and 489 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: Kate Osborne for Kaleidoscope and Katria Norvel for iHeart Podcasts. 490 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: Jack Insley mixed this episode. Kyle Murdoch wrote our theme song. 491 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 3: Please rate, review, and reach out to us at tech 492 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 3: Stuff podcast at gmail dot com. We want to hear 493 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 3: from you.