Speaker 1: I'm Tamika d.
Speaker 2: Mallory and it's your boy my Son.
Speaker 1: In general, we are your host of t M I.
Speaker 3: Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, Motivation and Inspiration.
Speaker 1: New name, New Energy. But what's up my song?
Speaker 4: What's going on?
Speaker 1: I'm on my no makeup for the second one?
Speaker 4: There you go?
Speaker 1: Well, going back to makeup. I decided as I was
Speaker 1: looking at the video from last.
Speaker 2: Week, Oh why it's cool.
Speaker 1: Because you know what? It is cool? Like, Actually, I've
Speaker 1: really been feeling so free. I still always laugh. I
Speaker 1: know we talked about the sun the show before, but
Speaker 1: when Alicia Key says she wasn't wearing makeup no more,
Speaker 1: people were so upset and they're like, why did everybody's
Speaker 1: going crazy? And I remember Swiss being like, so let
Speaker 1: me just get this stray. You're mad about somebody else's
Speaker 1: face and what she's gonna wear on her face. Like
Speaker 1: she didn't say you don't need to wear makeup. She
Speaker 1: says she's not gonna weird makeups anyway. I just you know,
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm just tired of it period for
Speaker 1: a while. Just needed a break. Skin sometimes needed to break.
Speaker 1: I had a great facial didn't want to put any
Speaker 1: makeup on, and so that's just it is what it is. However,
Speaker 1: on camera you can see the dark rings from not
Speaker 1: getting enough rest and certain things that come through.
Speaker 2: So I think we're going.
Speaker 1: Back to it. But you know what, I truly want
Speaker 1: to force myself in the authenticity of who I am
Speaker 1: and you know whatever, to just have a balance where
Speaker 1: you don't always have to show up.
Speaker 2: You don't need that's none needed.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to do it here, but
Speaker 3: it shouldn't be like a requirement for you to move around.
Speaker 1: Or be on Yandy was on TV. She had a
Speaker 1: collaboration or she brought Porsche into a collaboration that she
Speaker 1: did with Bloomingdale's and they had an interview in Atlanta
Speaker 1: on a local news station to talk about the products
Speaker 1: and the collaboration and all the things, which is a
Speaker 1: big moment. Congratulations to Yandy, and congratulations to Yandy. Just
Speaker 1: shout out to her for being the type of person
Speaker 1: that's going to bring somebody else to the table. Portia
Speaker 1: has I don't know what you call it. It's lenen
Speaker 1: bed linen, which actually feels amazing, like literally her linen
Speaker 1: is amazing. I have them. It is amazing, and so
Speaker 1: again Yandy brought her into the collaboration. But the point
Speaker 1: of this is that on the interview that they did,
Speaker 1: Yandy didn't wear makeup. And it's not I mean, it's
Speaker 1: very vulnerable to show up in front of these lights
Speaker 1: and camera without your coverage of blemishes and under your
Speaker 1: eyes and all of that. But what she said, which
Speaker 1: I respect, is that here I am promoting a skin
Speaker 1: care line, sometimes I have to show people what the
Speaker 1: actual rawness of my skin looks like. Not that she's
Speaker 1: not gonna wear makeup. Of course she's gonna wear makeup.
Speaker 1: We love it, We doll ourselves up. But every now
Speaker 1: and then I have to be able to show people
Speaker 1: my skin. If I'm not comfortable wearing my skin as
Speaker 1: a person who owns the skincare line, then how I'm
Speaker 1: going to encourage you to get your skin together and
Speaker 1: then just pack it down and don't show the.
Speaker 3: World doesn't make sense, And you know, and shout out
Speaker 3: to Syandy, because that's one thing I love about Yandy.
Speaker 3: Yandy does not have a problem with being vulnerable. This
Speaker 3: is just who she is. She's she's from the hood,
Speaker 3: like she's just down the earth. She's raw and I
Speaker 3: just love it. That's why, you know, we have such
Speaker 3: a dope relationship. And shout out to her, Shout out
Speaker 3: to Porsche, you know, for promoting what they have in Bloomingdale's.
Speaker 1: I have open doors to the two Black lakes, two
Speaker 1: black women keep on moving, and that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: There are other black products in many of the Department's
Speaker 1: stores at this point, And there was a time when
Speaker 1: it really like wasn't like, let's just be clear that
Speaker 1: it may have been in one or two, but not
Speaker 1: to the point where Yandy could get a partnership with
Speaker 1: Bloomingdale's and then they say okay, and we're gonna bring
Speaker 1: Portia in as well, Like that just wasn't a thing
Speaker 1: that was happening. So you know this, it's a great thing.
Speaker 1: But you know, overall, I think the sisterhood is one thing.
Speaker 1: But the as you said, vulnerability of Yandy it made
Speaker 1: me be like, yeah, like why why why? And I
Speaker 1: love my makeup artist, Tatiana, because she's like all for it,
Speaker 1: like she could be getting paid, but she's like, you
Speaker 1: should actually wear your skin because it's it's good skin.
Speaker 2: There. Shut out to Tati.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk about my thought of the day.
Speaker 1: At this point, everyone who's anyone, everybody, even the people
Speaker 1: that's not on the internet, even people who don't watch TV,
Speaker 1: have witnessed the horrific, horrific video of Puffy beating, brutalizing,
Speaker 1: abusing Cassie. Everybody's seen it. It made me sick to
Speaker 1: my stomach. I mean because, for one, as I said
Speaker 1: several weeks ago, when all of this stuff, all of
Speaker 1: this first started, and when the lawsuit came out, and
Speaker 1: you know, when a Cassie sued him and all of that,
Speaker 1: I said that you can love someone. People know that
Speaker 1: I have a close relationship with Puff, and you know,
Speaker 1: you can love someone and they can do something really wrong,
Speaker 1: and you got to just be able to say it's
Speaker 1: just wrong. It's no, it's there's nothing. Some people said,
Speaker 1: well you didn't say this or that. There's nothing to
Speaker 1: say except it is wrong. And if anybody's looking for
Speaker 1: me to try to make up the reason, well when
Speaker 1: he was a kid, da da, I'm not doing any
Speaker 1: of that because it's just wrong and it's horrific and
Speaker 1: it's hurtful and that's just it, period, right, And it
Speaker 1: just made me think about another piece because one of
Speaker 1: the things that I saw after Cassie released her statement
Speaker 1: in which she said, believe women, you know, the first
Speaker 1: time they tell you their stories. And I saw all
Speaker 1: these people like, yeah, you know, we should be believing folks.
Speaker 1: We shouldn't need a video. We need to be able
Speaker 1: to immediately believe what we see. And that's it. And
Speaker 1: why is it that a video had to be present
Speaker 1: in order for people to condemn the actions and to
Speaker 1: believe what she was saying happened to her. I was
Speaker 1: thinking in this past couple of weeks where we commemorated
Speaker 1: the life of George Floyd, that I hope people are
Speaker 1: able to keep that same exact energy of believing victims
Speaker 1: who've been brutalized without a video, because the same people
Speaker 1: who are saying we should believe Cassie, you know, Cassie
Speaker 1: and others the first time that they say something, these
Speaker 1: will be the same people that are be in my
Speaker 1: comment section like, well, I see the part where the
Speaker 1: cop beat them up, but I need to know what
Speaker 1: happened before that. I need to know what happened off camera.
Speaker 1: I need to be able to see the parts that
Speaker 1: I didn't see so I can know exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: And if it had not been for George Floyd being
Speaker 1: choked to death the way that he was on TV,
Speaker 1: they would have told you the story about an incident
Speaker 1: which is alleged. I've never even had a conversation with
Speaker 1: his family members about this, so all I can say
Speaker 1: is they say that he hit a pregnant woman. Then
Speaker 1: they would tell you about the fentanyl that was in
Speaker 1: his system. They would have told people those things, and
Speaker 1: I promise you the movement would not have been the
Speaker 1: same if people did not see him his life literally
Speaker 1: leave his body. It has been that, and the stories
Speaker 1: and the cases go on and on, and in fact,
Speaker 1: there are people who did not see the video of
Speaker 1: Breonna Taylor being shot to death who still don't believe
Speaker 1: the story as it is being as it had been
Speaker 1: told and proven because the officers. We literally had to
Speaker 1: learn that the officers went into a garage and made
Speaker 1: up their story and begin to feed the media lies
Speaker 1: about Brionna Taylor in order for folks to say, well,
Speaker 1: damn because but prior to that, I remember you being
Speaker 1: on Clubhouse one time with some guys who was up
Speaker 1: there talking about she was a drug dealer and she
Speaker 1: was getting packages to her house and all of these
Speaker 1: things that was bullshit, lies that have now been proven
Speaker 1: in court. They've been proven by the witnesses who are
Speaker 1: the witnesses, who are police officers that were involved, right,
Speaker 1: And so I want us to do that. I want
Speaker 1: us to do that. I want if we are going
Speaker 1: to start saying that we have to believe people for
Speaker 1: what they say at the very moment that they tell
Speaker 1: you their story. I want people to stop asking us
Speaker 1: to prove police brutality incidents, even if the person ran,
Speaker 1: even if the person did this or that. In the
Speaker 1: third the cop is the one who is the aggressor,
Speaker 1: who has the most responsibility in the situation because they
Speaker 1: have a gun, they have training, they have responsibilities that
Speaker 1: come along with getting a paycheck to protect and serve.
Speaker 1: So even this happened, he ran, he did this, This
Speaker 1: one yelled at me, this one spit at a cop.
Speaker 1: They know how to do it when the white woman
Speaker 1: gets in the car and drives off in the police car.
Speaker 1: They know how to refrain and de escalate, but they
Speaker 1: don't know how to de escalate and refrain when it
Speaker 1: comes to our community. And I'm not conflating the two
Speaker 1: things to say that one is more important than the other.
Speaker 1: What I am saying is that the same people who
Speaker 1: often say we're gonna believe folks, then they should also
Speaker 1: respect the fact that when a victim shows up to
Speaker 1: us and tells us that they've been brutalized, we believe them.
Speaker 1: We believe them, and even if later on we find
Speaker 1: out that that they slapped their mama, they did this,
Speaker 1: they were on drugs, they were this terrible, horrific, horrid
Speaker 1: person with this background. That night when that incident happened
Speaker 1: and a police officer encountered that person, they had a
Speaker 1: particular responsibility as a person who is paid by us
Speaker 1: as taxpayers and paid by the state and or the
Speaker 1: city and municipalities to handle their job with professionalism. And
Speaker 1: I want to see that. I want to see the
Speaker 1: energy that we have that is very selective to spread.
Speaker 3: I think for me, in situations, right, it's it's not
Speaker 3: so much about believing or not believing anyone, Right, It's
Speaker 3: just that I realized that I have a powerful voice, right,
Speaker 3: and when I speak about something that I don't have
Speaker 3: knowledge of. I found myself in trou right, I found
Speaker 3: myself just on the side of this is what the
Speaker 3: news is saying, and then finding out later on that
Speaker 3: that wasn't exactly what happened.
Speaker 2: Not saying that it was totally false or not, but
Speaker 2: it was just like for me.
Speaker 3: Moving forward after I've I've had situations where I actually
Speaker 3: spoke up or spoke against someone. I think for me
Speaker 3: to speak against somebody, it's a lot different than me
Speaker 3: speaking up for someone. Right, So if I'm speaking up
Speaker 3: for a victim because I want that person to see
Speaker 3: to receive justice, it's not me speaking against anyone, you know.
Speaker 3: I think in this situation, it took time for me
Speaker 3: to actually have to see something or have something that
Speaker 3: I felt comfortable saying, Okay, I'm going to speak against
Speaker 3: this situation because it was for me because I wanted
Speaker 3: to make sure that I was honest and I was
Speaker 3: given true to what I knew knowledge, you know. And
Speaker 3: I think people have people have a problem with that.
Speaker 3: People want you to speak to something when they want
Speaker 3: to speak in and I think each of us has
Speaker 3: our own have our own compass of what what it
Speaker 3: takes for us to speak up, right, Because things I speak,
Speaker 3: I'm very vocal about a lot of things. Right when
Speaker 3: I when I when I see something, I say okay.
Speaker 3: For me, it computes in my mind that those are
Speaker 3: the realities of that situation. I have no problem. I'm
Speaker 3: going to stand and if it's wrong, then I can say,
Speaker 3: you know what, I was wrong. But there's a lot
Speaker 3: of situations where I look and I say, okay, I
Speaker 3: don't know the dynamics of that. I don't I never
Speaker 3: was there. I don't really know. I don't even know
Speaker 3: anybody that knows.
Speaker 4: I don't have.
Speaker 1: Because I remember I would say that, first of all,
Speaker 1: in the previous show that we did, I said that
Speaker 1: I was clear something because people were like, just because
Speaker 1: you settled with somebody doesn't mean that that you did wrong.
Speaker 1: And we know that, right. We understand that settlements happen
Speaker 1: all the time for various reasons. Sometimes insurance companies settle,
Speaker 1: uh you know, when when a person of a high
Speaker 1: network value is being sued. They may feel like it's
Speaker 1: too much damage to the business or the brand. Sometimes
Speaker 1: people settle because there's just a no win situation. Sometimes
Speaker 1: people settle because this part is true and this party
Speaker 1: ain't and costs more to go through the So there's
Speaker 1: different reasons. But in this situation, I was clear. I
Speaker 1: was very clear. My my my instincts told me, my
Speaker 1: heart told me that something happened, and something bad happened
Speaker 1: in the way in which that settlement moves so fast.
Speaker 1: And I said that on our show, let's not fool
Speaker 1: ourselves and act like we don't understand human instinct. Right,
Speaker 1: if you my son or somebody else that's close to
Speaker 1: me and a and a person who is not close
Speaker 1: to me says that you did something to them and
Speaker 1: you say you didn't do it, I'm not just about
Speaker 1: to run out there and say you did just because
Speaker 1: the world is telling me that that's what I have
Speaker 1: to do. I do value my friendships, right, I value
Speaker 1: my friendships, and I value that if somebody has done
Speaker 1: nothing to me, they have always been loving and kind
Speaker 1: to me and helpful to me, that I at least
Speaker 1: owe them that if they say they didn't do something wrong,
Speaker 1: that I have to be able to take a moment
Speaker 1: to try to reflect and gather and even still in that.
Speaker 1: When we came on our show a week or two later,
Speaker 1: I said that I believe something happened, and I also
Speaker 1: said that listen, I can love you and know you've
Speaker 1: done wrong and people love me and know I've done wrong,
Speaker 1: and of course it's not this two totally different things, right,
Speaker 1: So I don't want people to get the impression that
Speaker 1: I'm inhuman because I am human. I am a human person.
Speaker 1: I have feelings. I hurt. When I saw a Cassie
Speaker 1: being beaten, it made me feel like I was being
Speaker 1: beaten because I'm a woman and I actually have dealt
Speaker 1: with domestic violence, so it's no joke to me. And
Speaker 1: I again, I oh that something happened, and it was
Speaker 1: horrific things that took place in that relationship, But I
Speaker 1: still I don't really care who feels a way about it.
Speaker 1: Either way, I am not the type of person that
Speaker 1: I'm your friend. And then when the social media goes
Speaker 1: crazy against you that I just jump with social media.
Speaker 1: That's not realistic. And the biggest thing is that if
Speaker 1: I feel you've done something wrong, I don't need to
Speaker 1: tell them. I need to tell you. I need to
Speaker 1: actually tell you how I feel, versus me going out
Speaker 1: just to be able to catch the wind of getting
Speaker 1: out there so that I could please other people by
Speaker 1: speaking to them and and and and making sure that
Speaker 1: they feel like, oh yeah, you with us that's not
Speaker 1: that's it's actually much bigger than that though. That's just
Speaker 1: where I stand. It's no confusion for those people. I've
Speaker 1: seen a couple people tag me, oh, well, you know
Speaker 1: what is your What are you not being on social
Speaker 1: media about this? Means? Well, I could tell you what
Speaker 1: it me. It's different ways that people do different things,
Speaker 1: but to do nothing is not okay. And so that's
Speaker 1: what I have to say.
Speaker 3: On that, and that's that on that. So that brings
Speaker 3: me to my music spotlight of the day. But for
Speaker 3: such a time like this, we need artists who are
Speaker 3: speaking to the realities that were going on that who
Speaker 3: are not afraid, who are not going to be politically correct,
Speaker 3: you know, or.
Speaker 1: Not correct because they could sell they could sell booty,
Speaker 1: but they just don't want to politic exactly.
Speaker 3: I want to celebrate those who don't coward in the moment.
Speaker 3: So a young artist from the Bay Area that I
Speaker 3: really love. His name is l Russell. He was doing
Speaker 3: a performance I don't know exactly where, but he spoke
Speaker 3: up about what was happening in Palestine, and he spoke
Speaker 3: about how it took him time and he wanted to
Speaker 3: and he said it in the rhym like you know
Speaker 3: what I said, And I looked and I thought, and
Speaker 3: I'm like I have to say something, you know, So
Speaker 3: shout out to larussell if you get to see that
Speaker 3: freestyles on this page and he talks about, you know,
Speaker 3: just seeing what's happening in Gaza and seeing what's happening
Speaker 3: in Palestine and and and and talking about how all
Speaker 3: those things are intertwined and how we need to be
Speaker 3: able and be brave in this movement and speak about
Speaker 3: what's going on. Yeah, because you know it gets a
Speaker 3: little deep. Man gets a little different times, so shout
Speaker 3: out to luissel Man. Appreciate you man.
Speaker 1: All right, So you know friends.
Speaker 3: Friend friends, many others have them.
Speaker 1: We should have that song as a part of like
Speaker 1: the intro to we have the friends because we have
Speaker 1: friends that are.
Speaker 2: Really works but you know we're trying.
Speaker 1: Thanks Anastasia. So our friends are are individuals that you
Speaker 1: all know out there doing amazing things. Some of them
Speaker 1: are our friend end because you know, we told them
Speaker 1: and we met them and we liked them and we
Speaker 1: see them. But some of them are friends because we
Speaker 1: cry together, we fight together, we spend time together, we
Speaker 1: do everything in this and absolutely turning up together. And
Speaker 1: Michael Blake, who is joining us today, is absolutely one
Speaker 1: of our friends. And I would say he's definitely our
Speaker 1: dear brother. He's in the inner circle. And you know,
Speaker 1: our circle is closed because it's closed because the it's
Speaker 1: the elements are around us. The forces of evil are
Speaker 1: constantly trying to pope their way in, and we have
Speaker 1: built a fortress. And I would say that Michael, you
Speaker 1: certainly are one.
Speaker 4: Is this a fortress? Like when y'all rolled up on
Speaker 4: my office in Albany started like yelling at me about
Speaker 4: something I didn't do.
Speaker 1: No, no, you was doing it?
Speaker 4: Or is that like my birthday party? I'm just trying
Speaker 4: to stay you know? Is it is a big no
Speaker 4: question in the back.
Speaker 1: The fortress that we've built, I think encompasses all things,
Speaker 1: and it is accountability that we have for one another.
Speaker 1: It is fun, of course, it is enlightenment and education.
Speaker 1: What I don't know. I never feel like I can't
Speaker 1: call one of y'all and say, hey, I don't know,
Speaker 1: can you help me how you know, help me prepare
Speaker 1: a speech, help me think through a thing. And I
Speaker 1: feel like I've been a part of that for both
Speaker 1: of you. So what people ask me on the road
Speaker 1: all the time. One of the biggest questions. It's like
Speaker 1: the most common question is what do you do for yourself?
Speaker 1: You know, how do you renew and restore with everything
Speaker 1: that we do? And I tell people I've built a
Speaker 1: family that don't play about me, you know, and I
Speaker 1: certainly know that you are one of those individuals. But
Speaker 1: you're a whole lot of other things.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that. For one, you realize to Mak and
Speaker 4: did not respond about rolling up on the office.
Speaker 1: Because we're gonna get to it. Actually, I said we're
Speaker 1: gonna get to it.
Speaker 3: I heard that that's in the accountability boku.
Speaker 1: So, first of all of the many things that you
Speaker 1: are is a former New York State assemblyman. Okay, you
Speaker 1: are from from the Bronx, but you are a Jamaican immigrant. No,
Speaker 1: you were born to Jamaican immigrants. Your parents, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: talk about them. Last, you are also a member of
Speaker 1: Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity, and that's such a big deal,
Speaker 1: you know, big big deal.
Speaker 4: We're starting good.
Speaker 1: You also were a vice chair of the Democratic National
Speaker 1: Committee from twenty and seventeen to twenty twenty one, and
Speaker 1: now you are the CEO of Atlas Strategy Group. And
Speaker 1: also you have a major major effort that I enjoy
Speaker 1: and am a part of, which is your Cairos events
Speaker 1: where you organize and what is the name of the
Speaker 1: actual initiative.
Speaker 4: Chiros is the community that we've built. The vision is
Speaker 4: where people all color see our power. The event on
Speaker 4: the vineyard is called Convenient for the Culture exactly.
Speaker 1: And so it's not just the vineyard. You're doing events
Speaker 1: all over the country under the Chiros community where you're
Speaker 1: bringing people together. And I think that what Chiros to
Speaker 1: me is like exactly what until Freedom is. It's always
Speaker 1: a place where everybody is a table, a seat at
Speaker 1: the table. You don't have to be voting for this person.
Speaker 1: You could be a person that doesn't vote at all.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we move you, but when you get there, you
Speaker 1: show up as you are, as long as you care
Speaker 1: about justice and equity and inclusion and all of that.
Speaker 1: So all of those things, but the most important thing
Speaker 1: that you are is the son of Hedley and Hillary.
Speaker 4: Hedley Headler, George Blake and Hillary Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Okay, and that's that is how you how your roots
Speaker 1: to Jamake come to be because these two are proud,
Speaker 1: proud Jamaican.
Speaker 4: Oh, body roll, body Rod. I had oxtail coming in here.
Speaker 1: Okay, we know every day, not every day.
Speaker 4: But I found the spot. I found a spot. I
Speaker 4: was shot and it was some good quality ox. It
Speaker 4: wasn't like that water down stuff.
Speaker 1: They don't know. Once you find them, you'll be back.
Speaker 1: Then you're gonna know. Michael Blake is the type of person.
Speaker 1: He gonna know the owner. He's gonna be having events
Speaker 1: that if they have a problem where they're not getting
Speaker 1: enough action, you're gonna tell everybody from the neighborhood to
Speaker 1: go there.
Speaker 4: This is.
Speaker 1: Foind out. It's a white person that owns it.
Speaker 4: That's fine, Okay, come on, Jamaica, we got we love everybody.
Speaker 4: If you can cook, you can.
Speaker 1: Cook, because you know how it's supposed to be, no question.
Speaker 1: Well look, let's just get into this conversation because a
Speaker 1: lot of people know you as a power broker, particularly
Speaker 1: in a democratic party. Uh, and now I think I'm
Speaker 1: watching you spread your wings beyond the democratic politics and
Speaker 1: become a person you've always been for the people. But
Speaker 1: it's I think this moment calls for us to be
Speaker 1: more than our party, you know, more than our affiliations.
Speaker 1: So tell folks about your beginning. We talked about Jamaica,
Speaker 1: talked about the pride of your family and their cultural roots.
Speaker 1: Give us a entree into Michael Blake and who you are.
Speaker 4: I just want to start by saying my love and
Speaker 4: respect for both of y'all for being consistent in the work.
Speaker 4: Because a lot of people can show up occasionally, and
Speaker 4: a lot of people do show up occasionally, a lot
Speaker 4: of people are not actually there regularly, right, And that's
Speaker 4: how you know. Real friends and real friends do hold
Speaker 4: you accountable, and real friends know how to turn up
Speaker 4: and real friends know how to lead. So so just
Speaker 4: that's important to start there. As we already know. I'm
Speaker 4: from the Bronx, you know, you know, just we're clear,
Speaker 4: crusted and burnside. There you go, ps. Seventy nine. So
Speaker 4: I always start as a person to faith. I don't
Speaker 4: believe in coincidence, and so for whatever are the reasons,
Speaker 4: a lot of pieces happen, that thing shape me so savage.
Speaker 4: In The Quality's Children in American Schools, Johnathan Coleser wrote
Speaker 4: that book. The elementary school he wrote about is the
Speaker 4: elementary school I was at. He is seventy nine James
Speaker 4: Carter was our principal. James probably is the only black
Speaker 4: man I remember in school elementary through high school. I
Speaker 4: I don't remember seeing someone else like that. So that's
Speaker 4: that stays with you. One eighteen deal with Clinton High School.
Speaker 4: Most folks don't realists dee with Clinton and the Bronx
Speaker 4: is the largest alumni association of any high school in
Speaker 4: the world because there used to be all boys back
Speaker 4: and they had three three different rotations of students, So
Speaker 4: County Colin, James Baldwin, Charlie Rango, Ralph Lauren, all Clinton, Right,
Speaker 4: so we got know that that trajectory. And then you know,
Speaker 4: look my youngest of four boys, yes, heavily, George Blakey,
Speaker 4: God rest his soul, Daddy. And then Mama. Everybody know
Speaker 4: Mama Hillary Lawrence all day every day, you know, the
Speaker 4: robo call on my campaign, so everybody know that they're
Speaker 4: But I always say this, there's several moments that uh
Speaker 4: shaped me. And I was born with a heart murmur mm.
Speaker 4: You know, Mama said, I was in the nick you
Speaker 4: for about three and a half weeks. Uh, and then
Speaker 4: freshman year, coming back from Northwestern, I fell asleep at
Speaker 4: the wheel. You know, and so there was no car
Speaker 4: coming in that direction, no car behind me, and enough
Speaker 4: car weight that we had cause my boy Eric Gargretcha
Speaker 4: was his car. Weighed the car down. When we did
Speaker 4: the three sixty six days before that, I wrote out,
Speaker 4: Dear God, made today be my greatest day, greater than
Speaker 4: the great day I had the day before. But my
Speaker 4: goal has not been met unless tomorrow's greatest in the mall.
Speaker 4: And that still hangs on my mama's fridge. And so
Speaker 4: I I I say that to say I don't believe
Speaker 4: in coincidence. And for all those different things. Being able
Speaker 4: to go to Northwestern first homing family of the school
Speaker 4: allowed me to be in Evston. Being in Evanston and
Speaker 4: working at A and being Northwestern, I went to Comcast
Speaker 4: Sports did TV. Doing that, I did an internship with
Speaker 4: uh A State Senator Jeff Schoenberg where a woman walked
Speaker 4: in and said, you don't help me, im'na lose my house,
Speaker 4: which I thought about the times mama will talk about
Speaker 4: not having a house and being homeless in Jamaica, and
Speaker 4: then learn learning those dynamic so all of those pieces,
Speaker 4: I get interviewed for a training program called Yes We
Speaker 4: Can and that was the real ultimate turning point for me,
Speaker 4: because in two thousand and five, two thousand and six,
Speaker 4: I'm applying for different programs. I was applying for a
Speaker 4: job to work for a unite here, which was a
Speaker 4: restaurant hotel employee union. God Russell soul Henry Tammeran was
Speaker 4: the president. Last interview, he says, you know, my son
Speaker 4: Nate is starting a program to train black and brown
Speaker 4: young people on how to run campaigns. So, okay, I
Speaker 4: turned down the job because I couldn't afford the pay cut.
Speaker 4: His assistant low Weeks calls me back and says, you
Speaker 4: should apply for the program anyway. So I applied for
Speaker 4: the program, and in two thousand and six, January sixth
Speaker 4: is the first time I met Barack Obama and that
Speaker 4: changed my life. You know, I was one of ten
Speaker 4: people in that program at the holiday end on the
Speaker 4: Hill in DC. And to be a kid from the
Speaker 4: Bronx to then be around, you know, a future president,
Speaker 4: and that changes everything. So again I don't believe in coincidence.
Speaker 1: I'm smiling because I remember what your what did your
Speaker 1: dad say when he found out you was working for
Speaker 1: the president.
Speaker 4: Oh well, he and Mama, they all acted. You know that,
Speaker 4: you know, of course they were on cloud nine. But
Speaker 4: you know the uh, well, Daddy was the emotional Daddy
Speaker 4: would always cry with pride. I mean, that was always
Speaker 4: a beautiful thing. That's it was always power to be
Speaker 4: around a black man who was comfortable with with his tears.
Speaker 4: My Mama had the best line when she said, we
Speaker 4: went from no house in Jamaica to the Black House
Speaker 4: in Northwestern to the White House in DC.
Speaker 1: Right, And so that always my relationship that was different.
Speaker 4: No, no question, you know what I mean, you know
Speaker 4: she's she's a g I understand what it is, right.
Speaker 4: Uh So then the extension when I got elected was
Speaker 4: we went from a white House in DC to the
Speaker 4: State House in Albany. Right, So all of that part
Speaker 4: was a part of the journey that allowed me to
Speaker 4: get here.
Speaker 3: Just going through that process working for Obama. What do
Speaker 3: you think about the political climate right now?
Speaker 4: I think that we have been spoiled in some ways
Speaker 4: that we had truly at once in a generational leader
Speaker 4: back in the day. I think it was a Reagan
Speaker 4: and before that it was a Kennedy. Like you have
Speaker 4: that one person every thirty forty years so when you
Speaker 4: don't have that leader, then folks are like, well, why
Speaker 4: am I going to do this thing? And on both
Speaker 4: sides we have on one side people not excited because
Speaker 4: they're like, yo, I'm not really feeling this. And on
Speaker 4: the other side you have a racist demagogue who has
Speaker 4: millions of people who believe in that. So it's hard
Speaker 4: to break through that. So for those of us, and
Speaker 4: you said this a little bit earlier, I see this
Speaker 4: as a calling for me, right, and this is not
Speaker 4: a job. For those of us who see this as
Speaker 4: a calling as a purpose, it's very hard Micee to
Speaker 4: get people to break through because alsoone here is are
Speaker 4: you Republican and Democrats? They're not hearing what you're trying
Speaker 4: to say. And the challenge is that so many people
Speaker 4: are wondering should I stay in the game because of
Speaker 4: two people. You know, if it's Biden Trump, Okay, I
Speaker 4: can't hear anything else. Okay, let's talk about what you
Speaker 4: care about. Well, I don't want to talk about that. Well,
Speaker 4: that don't make any sense to me. Right when we
Speaker 4: had President Obama, at least you had the ability of
Speaker 4: someone saying, you know, I'm still I'm gonna keep having
Speaker 4: this conversation with you, because I don't want the brother
Speaker 4: to fail. Even if I'm not feeling everything that's happening.
Speaker 4: It's a challenge right now, but I do think this
Speaker 4: will force us to get people to be focused if
Speaker 4: we really want to be about it. This is an
Speaker 4: easy moment for folks to walk away and say, y'a'm out.
Speaker 1: What do you think about people who say Obama didn't
Speaker 1: do anything for black me?
Speaker 4: Well, as the person that ran Black Outreach, I would
Speaker 4: just say that they're flat wrong. Now, I think there's
Speaker 4: an understandable generational emotional connection to the point that when
Speaker 4: we have endured enslavement for two hundred plus years and
Speaker 4: then beyond that post Jim Crow and others, I can
Speaker 4: understand that you want more things to happen faster for
Speaker 4: black folk. But for someone to say that Barack Obama
Speaker 4: did nothing for black people, it's just dead wrong, full stop.
Speaker 4: Right Like, we had the greatest increase in what happened
Speaker 4: for minority businesses. We changed things when it came to
Speaker 4: HBCUs well shit healthcare. I mean, like the reality is
Speaker 4: saying to someone that things didn't change because of Barack
Speaker 4: Obama tremendously more black people got access than they had before.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, if you're not
Speaker 4: feeling it, I understand that, right, But then the question
Speaker 4: has to be life is a choice, right, And if
Speaker 4: someone is like, well, he didn't do anything for me, well,
Speaker 4: you know, if you got a check that came to
Speaker 4: you for something, or a refund, or something happened for
Speaker 4: someone in your family, your mama was able to stay
Speaker 4: on their healthcare, your grandmama or your somebody had some benefit.
Speaker 4: The piece that we didn't do a good enough job
Speaker 4: around and we still don't do enough, is connecting the
Speaker 4: benefit to the person.
Speaker 1: Right, because the system continued to run and when we
Speaker 1: got it, it was a disaster. So that's just clear.
Speaker 1: But you know, and when you talk about the healthcare thing,
Speaker 1: that's a real big one because we were out there,
Speaker 1: I think that, Well, actually, I'm not sure that you
Speaker 1: and I were working together yet because you weren't on
Speaker 1: the tour that we did. But Yandy wash Tara Wallace
Speaker 1: was on the tour. Who else was on it? A
Speaker 1: number of people, Christy Henderson, Ilicia Butterfield, Jones, Joel's he
Speaker 1: was on the tour. So a number of people were
Speaker 1: with us trying to help folks get healthcare. And one
Speaker 1: of the things that I don't you know, the talking
Speaker 1: points in the a and the atmosphere was it's no
Speaker 1: the you know, the the program. It's something else I
Speaker 1: want to ask you about. The program was no good
Speaker 1: and you know it's still too expensive and all all
Speaker 1: of those things. But while we were out knocking on
Speaker 1: doors and out working with people, folks did not have healthcare,
Speaker 1: like seriously, and in fact I did not have healthcare,
Speaker 1: and this gave us a number of people access. So
Speaker 1: that is one you talked about. Minority businesses. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about that a little bit more, because I don't think
Speaker 1: that President Obama gets enough credit for what he did
Speaker 1: around minority owns.
Speaker 4: The thing we gotta well go step back to your
Speaker 4: previous point to make on just like just grounding the
Speaker 4: conversation and I'll do the minority business. It would be
Speaker 4: like someone saying to you or you you have done
Speaker 4: nothing for anyone, Like it's just such a factually wrong comment.
Speaker 4: The real thing is like, okay, well you're not feeling
Speaker 4: you didn't see it. If we want to have that conversation,
Speaker 4: I'm down to have that conversation some one all day,
Speaker 4: every day for black and round business. So again we
Speaker 4: gotta have context. There was a war going on that
Speaker 4: Senator Obama said, you elect me, were gonna end this thing.
Speaker 4: He did. I We'll get you health care, and I'm
Speaker 4: going to lead to the greatest increase in what happens
Speaker 4: for minority businesses in the history of this country, full stop.
Speaker 4: All three of those things happen, and so more money,
Speaker 4: more contracts, more opportunities, more jobs happened for black folk
Speaker 4: during that time in terms of minority owned businesses. Now
Speaker 4: there has been a greater shift in black unemployment in
Speaker 4: the right direction under Biden. And that's because of how
Speaker 4: shitty things were under Trump. Right, So when we start
Speaker 4: talking through we got to have context on these movements. Right, Like,
Speaker 4: it's not a dem Republican point I'm making. It is
Speaker 4: the numbers spoke for themselves when Bush was there, how
Speaker 4: people were struggling. Numbers went up substantially on Obama. Trump
Speaker 4: comes in. Numbers were disaster under Biden. Again just from
Speaker 4: the number sense of it, it has made improvement. But
Speaker 4: now what we got to do is how do you
Speaker 4: make it more practical on the ground right, And you
Speaker 4: know that's that balancing act that I had to endure
Speaker 4: a lot as a staffer for seven years and an
Speaker 4: elected for six People don't want for you to talk
Speaker 4: about the things that you've done because then you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: you airrogant, but you conceded. But if I don't, then
Speaker 4: you tell me I'm do anything. So then I give
Speaker 4: you the newsletter. Oh well, you only doing it because
Speaker 4: you're trying to get elected. But if I don't tell
Speaker 4: you what I've done, then why you're gonna let me?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: It doesn't make practical sense right right, And when we
Speaker 4: think about it, I believe politics as an industry governments
Speaker 4: is the only one where you are regularly telling people
Speaker 4: to not speak their dreams. Right, Like if you were
Speaker 4: the around the young kid, and a young kid was like,
Speaker 4: you know what, I want to be an astronaut, go
Speaker 4: get it. I want to be an NBA All Star,
Speaker 4: go get it. I want to run the business, go
Speaker 4: get it. Someone say a lot ya, I want to
Speaker 4: be president of Blacks. Relaxed because because politics is bad,
Speaker 4: you might have been around a few folks that did
Speaker 4: something bad, but politics is not bad. So coming back
Speaker 4: to and around minority business. Right. One of the things
Speaker 4: that I did with Bbe Hidago shout out to baby,
Speaker 4: is we change things so that there had to be
Speaker 4: a report and structure up to the Deputies Secretary of
Speaker 4: the agencies. Why did that matter? Because when you have
Speaker 4: someone that you report to who runs the day to day,
Speaker 4: you move differently. And a lot of times folks are like, well,
Speaker 4: you know what, I'm gonna do this minority business thing
Speaker 4: when I kind of need to casually as opposed to
Speaker 4: this part of your bottom line. And when millions and
Speaker 4: billions of dollars a go in to black and round
Speaker 4: businesses like what happened, it changes things. And so you know, look,
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, I think we're in
Speaker 4: that same scenario now where you have a lot of
Speaker 4: people who are saying, I'm not really feeling Biden on
Speaker 4: the substance of the policies fair game, right. However, to
Speaker 4: say that nothing is happening, that's just dead, that's wrong,
Speaker 4: It's just not true.
Speaker 3: Why do you what do you think that has people
Speaker 3: even thinking that Trump is a viable candidate.
Speaker 4: Because we've allowed an entertainer to take the place of reality.
Speaker 4: I want to make sure we're real clear about this.
Speaker 4: Donald Trump is a racist, false stole. I want you
Speaker 4: to hear his daddy's in KK writings. He is the
Speaker 4: person that was sued wouldn't let black and brown people
Speaker 4: get access to the house. And he took out a
Speaker 4: full page ad on the central part five. That's all
Speaker 4: before he ran for president. But in folks like, well,
Speaker 4: Donald Trump's on the Apprentice, what the hell are we
Speaker 4: talking about right now? Right? He was a failed businessman,
Speaker 4: But there are people.
Speaker 1: Who say he get there was checks, there was money
Speaker 1: on the ground when he was checks.
Speaker 4: Went out because he was such a disaster during COVID
Speaker 4: that he kept trying to block bills that finally Congress
Speaker 4: had to then send out checks that the checks were
Speaker 4: delayed because he wanted his name on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nancy Pelosi really was responsible for carrying the water.
Speaker 4: The false checks.
Speaker 1: That's the truth, full star. And I'm not even you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm like not a Nancy Pelosi
Speaker 1: person at all. She was out, she was outside banging
Speaker 1: like we going to give the American people some money.
Speaker 4: And think about this. I don't know maybe one percent
Speaker 4: of people who could actually tell you the name on
Speaker 4: their actual dollar bills right now, right of like the
Speaker 4: actual treasure right right. Even your bosses, your bosses don't
Speaker 4: really sign your checks. It might be a CFO someone else.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: This man held up folks getting money during COVID so
Speaker 4: his name could be on it to make you think
Speaker 4: he's Marketer. And so where we're at right now.
Speaker 1: That's how he's been able to make people think that
Speaker 1: he's a super millionaire and he's that's not true.
Speaker 3: But that's pretty much he's a lion.
Speaker 4: He literally lied, he if in New York. In New York,
Speaker 4: if any person who was not a president would have
Speaker 4: done what he had done, they would have been in
Speaker 4: jail quickly. He he literally lied about his money to
Speaker 4: be able to get more money and inflated what he had.
Speaker 4: That's a crime. Definitely. You have better healthcare, better housing,
Speaker 4: more job opportunities, all these different things happening under BI
Speaker 4: Like the stats are there now, I'm real clear that
Speaker 4: there is a forty seven percent that's locked in on Trump,
Speaker 4: no matter what you say. That's just the reality of it.
Speaker 4: But when you have a scenario of someone who is
Speaker 4: telling you and we talked a little bit about democracy
Speaker 4: as well before right like on day one, I want
Speaker 4: to be a dictator. Yeah, that's crazy. You gotta you
Speaker 4: gotta trust someone when they say these kinds of things.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm clean, full immunity.
Speaker 4: I'm clear that no matter what I did, I'm good.
Speaker 1: And I want the I want I want Congress to
Speaker 1: pass the law that said that I give for.
Speaker 4: And again we got to put it into context of
Speaker 4: this is who this man is. Right like before all
Speaker 4: of this, he didn't want black and Latino folks to
Speaker 4: get good housing.
Speaker 1: He didn't even want black people. He didn't want in
Speaker 1: his businesses in the hotel exactly, he treated it was
Speaker 1: like the black people could only clean straight up.
Speaker 4: He literally was like, I don't want them handling my money.
Speaker 4: So like I don't want you handle my money. I
Speaker 4: don't want you to access to my housing. Oh and
Speaker 4: by the way, I think we should kill these folks
Speaker 4: who were actually innocent. But then folks are like, you
Speaker 4: know what, he would be good And.
Speaker 1: Then when he was found, when those people were found
Speaker 1: were exonerated, he still doubled down.
Speaker 4: That's just racism.
Speaker 3: So but I hear a lot of talk about RFK
Speaker 3: and people think he's a viable candy.
Speaker 2: What do you say about that?
Speaker 4: Rfk is a racist clown who should not be taken seriously.
Speaker 4: Whose number one donor is a Trump donor. Again, let's
Speaker 4: let's just talk about this.
Speaker 1: So what is he there for? Yes, let's talk about it.
Speaker 4: Because you said it's a Trump He is there because
Speaker 4: they're trying to do everything to make sure to bite it.
Speaker 4: No win full stop. Let me again, I want I'm
Speaker 4: gonna make this straight to the block. If you did
Speaker 4: anything that was important to you and your entire family
Speaker 4: endorsed the other person, that should be enough on.
Speaker 1: That's really crazy crazy. I mean, that was it for me.
Speaker 1: I was I didn't even need to hear any else,
Speaker 1: not even because I think that his I mean actually,
Speaker 1: actually I think that there are Kennedys that I respect,
Speaker 1: you know, So I'm not you know, I'm not taking it,
Speaker 1: but I'm not. I'm not into the Kennedys, like, I
Speaker 1: don't follow them. I don't know what they do or
Speaker 1: where the.
Speaker 4: Whole squad.
Speaker 1: And they said some damning things to.
Speaker 4: Take the time, y'all. Google framed rfk JR. Now we're
Speaker 4: gonna go back to the Bronx again. Rfk JR has
Speaker 4: a friend who he knew committed murder, went to jail
Speaker 4: for it, and he tried to frame a black boy
Speaker 4: from the Bronx and an Asian man for the murder,
Speaker 4: knowing it wasn't true. An RFK JR. Bill O'Reilly written
Speaker 4: book put out thereof this black boy and this Asian
Speaker 4: man committed murder that they knew didn't commit. Right. So again,
Speaker 4: I just think we got to be clear by who
Speaker 4: these people are, So like, why is he in this race?
Speaker 4: Because they understand that Donald Trump really can't grow beyond
Speaker 4: forty eight percent, they need one one and a half
Speaker 4: not go for Biden. Yeah, that's his only chance. So
Speaker 4: I'm going to keep this man in and kind of
Speaker 4: make y'all think, you know what, maybe I try something
Speaker 4: that's an alternative, even though this man has no chance
Speaker 4: to win it. Right, same thing around Cornell West, and
Speaker 4: they actually can't win. I understand we can responsibly hear
Speaker 4: opinions and.
Speaker 1: Values, and sometimes that's the purpose that I'm.
Speaker 4: Being there, But they can't win, right, And so let's
Speaker 4: understand that one percent. You go back to a twenty
Speaker 4: sixteen if we're talking about like a ten thousand votes
Speaker 4: in some of these states. If you're doing that, you
Speaker 4: are helping Donald Trump to get re elected.
Speaker 3: But the line, so I want to ask a question,
Speaker 3: what criticisms can you give of Joe Bidy?
Speaker 4: God is fair? We can't ignore that. Look, as y'all know,
Speaker 4: I'm a minister, I'm gonna be ordained that the in
Speaker 4: the Jeneral Jesus was a Jewish man of color. It
Speaker 4: is impossible to look at what is happening there and
Speaker 4: not have some level of humanity, right, And it is
Speaker 4: intellectually irresponsible for someone to say that I can't have
Speaker 4: simultaneous realities to be true. I can say what happened
Speaker 4: to the people of Israel is inhumane, and I can
Speaker 4: say what's going on to the Palestinians and in humane.
Speaker 4: They're both true, right, And anytime someone says that you
Speaker 4: can't say both, it's ridiculous. Again, it's just lazy. So
Speaker 4: if I'm watching.
Speaker 1: This, it's so oppressivessive, So people tell you can't say
Speaker 1: that or else.
Speaker 4: Regularly, I had someone who has been a long time
Speaker 4: donor call me anti Semitic because I said, we need
Speaker 4: to stop attacking the students for wanting to protest, and
Speaker 4: it does impact votes, because I go back to Barack Obama, Like,
Speaker 4: you know, the Iraq war is a big reason why
Speaker 4: Obama won.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, and there have been others. I mean we
Speaker 1: know that there have been other wars that impacted.
Speaker 4: Well, Vietnam absolutely, Like so like the notion of like, well,
Speaker 4: what's going on over there? People shouldn't know? Now, I
Speaker 4: think we go back again to the block. If you're like, yo,
Speaker 4: we're spending tens of millions of dollars over there, why
Speaker 4: can't we do this here? That's a fair question, and.
Speaker 1: Their reasons because the Department of Defense budget is different
Speaker 1: from other budgets, and there's a lot of different internal
Speaker 1: stuff which we don't give a shit about that we're
Speaker 1: hungry the block. The cheese is too high, goddamn period.
Speaker 1: But then the other part of it is I don't
Speaker 1: want one iota of my tax dollars that I already
Speaker 1: need to go towards burning babies, can't. I don't want
Speaker 1: that connection. And then the third thing is I don't
Speaker 1: want that military over here in America training US police
Speaker 1: officers who already are too damned military.
Speaker 4: That's a fair legitimate criticism that someone can app at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, an election is about choice.
Speaker 4: In contrast, right, you have a choice to make if
Speaker 4: you do not vote for Joe Biden and Donald Trump
Speaker 4: becomes president again, you are not safer as a black
Speaker 4: or brown person. You're not safer as a woman. You're
Speaker 4: not safer as a young you are not You're not
Speaker 4: gonna make more money, You're gonna have less access to housing,
Speaker 4: You're gonna have less access to rights. It's not Michael
Speaker 4: Blake randomly saying, it's Donald Trump saying it. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: be pissed with Joe Biden about the policies that you're
Speaker 4: upset about, which is totally fair gaming of democracy, but
Speaker 4: not participating, to me is unacceptable. And so that's why
Speaker 4: in that dynamic, for those that don't want to do
Speaker 4: the Biden thing, there are many of us. I started
Speaker 4: my own projects called the Chiros Democracy Project. It's the
Speaker 4: storytelling the democracy, the whole vision of it. You cannot
Speaker 4: separate race and class and gender from democracy. And so
Speaker 4: let me find out from you what issues do you
Speaker 4: care about, and then from there, Okay, you want to
Speaker 4: fight for that. You need a democracy and you need
Speaker 4: people to be elected to help you with that, and
Speaker 4: if you choose that you still don't want to get involved,
Speaker 4: I can't warsh you, but we cannot allow this to
Speaker 4: be the reason, in my opinion, for a racist, sexist, homophobic,
Speaker 4: xenophobic demo good to become president again.
Speaker 2: It's tough.
Speaker 3: It's very tough because it's a lot of people who
Speaker 3: just lost faith, like people have lost faith in politics,
Speaker 3: not just politicians, just the whole. When I look at
Speaker 3: when I'm just what, I see it as a game, Right.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna paraphrase from Dark Knight Rises at
Speaker 4: the scene when when Bain and Batman are battling underneath
Speaker 4: and Batman tries to make everything dark, and Bain was like,
Speaker 4: I thrive in the dark. Right. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: things that move in the shadows of democracy that hurt
Speaker 4: us as a people that people don't realize, and to
Speaker 4: your example, one of those is the judges that Trump
Speaker 4: put in place are fundamental reason and that in moments
Speaker 4: now where you have a democratic president, you're not able
Speaker 4: to move on things. But people see yo, I only
Speaker 4: see by it, but you didn't see all the judges
Speaker 4: they put it in here that's been trying to block you,
Speaker 4: who have these lifetime appointments. But we can't sit it out.
Speaker 4: We can't just say I'm just gonna hope this is
Speaker 4: gonna happen. Look, a few months ago, there was a
Speaker 4: few weeks ago, rather, there was a poll that came
Speaker 4: out that I think perfectly broke it down. It said
Speaker 4: that the number one issue that was a concern for
Speaker 4: people was cost of living and inflation, but the number
Speaker 4: one issue that determine you voting in the election was democracy.
Speaker 4: So we have to do the better job of saying, Yo,
Speaker 4: whatever your issue is, if you want to work on that,
Speaker 4: we have to have you in the game. This goes
Speaker 4: to the dynamic of who's funding elections, right, This goes
Speaker 4: to elect the dynamic of who's supporting whom right, And
Speaker 4: until we can break that trajectory, that's why a lot
Speaker 4: of reasons why these things don't so Yeah, for the
Speaker 4: person in the block that like, yo, this democracy thing
Speaker 4: ain't working for me, or why.
Speaker 1: Would I try to save it if it doesn't exist
Speaker 1: in my world?
Speaker 4: Because it does exist. Again, it's a perception that I
Speaker 4: recognize as a real perception, But it's not real to
Speaker 4: say democracy doesn't exist. And the framing of democracy is
Speaker 4: not benefiting me in the ways that I would want
Speaker 4: it to be benefiting me, then we have to ask
Speaker 4: the questions of what is it that you need that's
Speaker 4: not happening, because too often it is a theoretical elite
Speaker 4: conversation of like, let's save this entity. We're starting talking
Speaker 4: about a premise that had a three fifth compromise and
Speaker 4: all the different dynamics that weren't good for us, right,
Speaker 4: and electoral college that were not practically good for us.
Speaker 4: It was about sustaining white men in power in those dynamics.
Speaker 4: It was an economic compromise for themselves, right, civil war, etc. Etc.
Speaker 4: So now, yeah, but why do I need you to
Speaker 4: keep this thing? Because the alternative is that you don't
Speaker 4: get to say shit. And I think again, if you
Speaker 4: start having real conversations with people like that, like.
Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, I mean Trump said he's going to deport
Speaker 1: like literally, you out, student, you out like for protesting.
Speaker 4: Full stop, you get, you get, you're getting arrested, you out,
Speaker 4: you're leaving. You're not getting a job, you're not getting
Speaker 4: a house, You're not having any of these things. So
Speaker 4: we can have a conversation of should this be better?
Speaker 4: One hundred percent or you don't say anything. And I
Speaker 4: don't know any person that's like, you know what, you
Speaker 4: know what I can't wait for. I can't wait for
Speaker 4: a scenario where I can't save my mind.
Speaker 1: But okay, well, hey, can I say no, Michael, because no,
Speaker 1: because guess what we talk about the students. You said
Speaker 1: that you had a donor who whatever whatever they did
Speaker 1: because of the issue with with your statement on the students. Well,
Speaker 1: we've got a democratic mayor here in New York City,
Speaker 1: and I bet you students at Colombia don't feel they
Speaker 1: can say anything.
Speaker 4: Because maybe we should have a new mayor.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, listen absolutely, because that would happened at Colombia.
Speaker 1: Is the end of it for me? Like I you know,
Speaker 1: we know it would be fool stuff. You know Eric,
Speaker 1: I know Eric. I've known Eric since I was a
Speaker 1: little girl, and I say every time that I have
Speaker 1: nothing but love and respect for him. But after the
Speaker 1: Columbia University incident, the handling and that was deliberate and
Speaker 1: he knows better. And then the Washington Post article came
Speaker 1: out that confirmed what I already knew, which is that
Speaker 1: big businessman and women and others told him send these
Speaker 1: cops in there shut these students down and went on further,
Speaker 1: which you know, of course media picks up what they
Speaker 1: want to pick up, but there should have been more
Speaker 1: conversation about some of them saying I donated to you
Speaker 1: and tend to continue to donate to you like this
Speaker 1: is it? So basically, the Columbia University move was a
Speaker 1: bart paid sold out a response to students. So now
Speaker 1: a student might feel like, well, I don't have a
Speaker 1: voice because guess what. We have other friends who have
Speaker 1: children who are students at Columbia that would that have
Speaker 1: been traumatized the whole year because this obviously began October
Speaker 1: seventh through and they've been protesting a winter, this and that,
Speaker 1: but their parents are telling them you can't say anything
Speaker 1: because of your future this year, that and the third.
Speaker 1: So how is that democracy?
Speaker 4: Because it's still a democracy that you have a chance
Speaker 4: to go protest. That's a chance. Yeah, and the alternative
Speaker 4: is that you don't say shit like so again, so.
Speaker 1: You're saying it could it's terrible, but it could be worse.
Speaker 4: But again there's a tremendous difference from should I have
Speaker 4: the ability to speak my mind whatever it may be,
Speaker 4: and whatever the causes may be. So whether it be
Speaker 4: around Gaza, whether it be around the Women's March, whether
Speaker 4: it be around George Floyd. Should I have a society
Speaker 4: where I can do that versus a man in Donald
Speaker 4: Trump who is legitimate least saying you won't. I will
Speaker 4: arrest you and I will deport you if you do that.
Speaker 4: So tell us about the convenience of the culture. I
Speaker 4: created the convenience for the culture for that specific week.
Speaker 4: So we do Cairos, We do a Chiro's conversation once
Speaker 4: a week. Virtually, we do a Cairo somewhere in the
Speaker 4: world once a month, and then we do the convenience
Speaker 4: for the culture once a year in Martha's venue this
Speaker 4: year now be August twelfth through the fifteenth. Then we're
Speaker 4: going to do another Chiros during Chicago at the convention, right,
Speaker 4: So our dash chiros dot com for anyone that wants
Speaker 4: to learn about that. But the reason why we did
Speaker 4: that is I wanted to connect power, whatever power may mean,
Speaker 4: elected power, social justice power, economic power, in one space
Speaker 4: because too often we are showing up at these different
Speaker 4: events and then people out.
Speaker 1: You're a real stickler about that. I just think Ruby
Speaker 1: d was at a convening held by it may have
Speaker 1: been Harry Belafonte. I know he was there, and there
Speaker 1: were number of power brokers and celebrities, black folks there.
Speaker 1: And at the end of the meeting, Carmen Perez tells
Speaker 1: us all the time that Ruby d stood up and said,
Speaker 1: I'm tired of going to meetings when there is no
Speaker 1: action plan, there's nothing for us to do. And I
Speaker 1: know that I have heard you say many times. People
Speaker 1: leave the meeting and they don't have an assignment.
Speaker 4: No, and we're not going to do that. So we
Speaker 4: start in collaborate with doctor Cheryl Davis out of San Francisco.
Speaker 4: So we start with a Dreaming Forward session because, as
Speaker 4: doctor Davis says, we got to get people permission to dream.
Speaker 4: Then we do a Chiro's conversation, so what's a fireside.
Speaker 4: We do a Chiro's Connection so folks can actually network
Speaker 4: with each other. We do a cultivation so like, what's
Speaker 4: the problem you're trying to work through, And then we
Speaker 4: don't do a celebration because I do think people need
Speaker 4: to turn up and have joy. And then we end
Speaker 4: with collective impacts. So okay, now we understand what we're
Speaker 4: trying to dream. Now we have the content, what's our
Speaker 4: plan when we leave from here? And a lot of
Speaker 4: times people are like, well, I'm not sure if people
Speaker 4: are going to show for multiple days. Well, you know,
Speaker 4: if I'm struggling to get you to come to a
Speaker 4: beautiful place that has black brown excellence in the space
Speaker 4: where we're trying to win, that's fine with me. But
Speaker 4: for those who have been there and you've seen that
Speaker 4: we've gathered five hundred people who are serious about the work.
Speaker 1: In the venue during the time. For people who are
Speaker 1: listening who don't know Martha's Vinyards, we want to enjoy vacation,
Speaker 1: their vacation, they having their drinks and their good time.
Speaker 1: And people are still popping in and out of and
Speaker 1: some just sitting through a convening where you're being educated
Speaker 1: and you know there is you're being educated, inspired, so
Speaker 1: on and so forth. I think that's great. Last year
Speaker 1: you had mister Jones.
Speaker 4: There, Clarence Jones, who was one of the speech writers
Speaker 4: for Doctor King had we had a G. Tiss James
Speaker 4: and ag A ron Ford talking about the power of
Speaker 4: New York and Nevada. Right, you know, we we're serious
Speaker 4: about this and I think a lot of times we
Speaker 4: don't give ourselves grace and space to be around one
Speaker 4: another just to hear who's killing the game and then say,
Speaker 4: you know what, that's wonderful. I heard that, all right,
Speaker 4: But what's our plan? Right? You know there is a
Speaker 4: difference between activity and progress, absolutely right, you know, And
Speaker 4: and so what are the objectives what we're trying to
Speaker 4: make happen? So then when we leave from here, go
Speaker 4: go to the beach, go wherever you're gonna be. But
Speaker 4: now I understand, okay, this is.
Speaker 1: What you're trying to ask, something that you want.
Speaker 4: Who's going to be at the convenience you hopefully y'all
Speaker 4: coming back. I mean I.
Speaker 1: Was there with the Tamika palm or Breonna tails, and
Speaker 1: I think that's the beauty of what you have created,
Speaker 1: because the AG was on in the morning or both ags, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, well, first of all, obviously our age
Speaker 1: tis James, nothing but love and respect for her. And
Speaker 1: I said, I was at an event, an event this weekend.
Speaker 1: I was the speaker and Tish was there, so the
Speaker 1: room I was like, you know, I love you, Tish
Speaker 1: and whatever, even though sometimes I'm outside your office protesting
Speaker 1: but I still love you. It's just all about accountability
Speaker 1: because Tish, again, that's in the circle, right, and we've
Speaker 1: had to protest. You would be doing.
Speaker 4: A little bit. It was a minute you were getting legs.
Speaker 1: Because y'all was in that compromise thing. There was an
Speaker 1: issue which was raised the age in New York State,
Speaker 1: one of.
Speaker 4: The most significant wins had justice.
Speaker 1: I s I was getting ready to get into it
Speaker 1: because I have to shout out my brother, attorney Angelo Pinto,
Speaker 1: who was helping to lead the campaign to raise the age.
Speaker 1: New York and North Carolina were only two states left
Speaker 1: in the entire United States of America that prosecuted fourteen
Speaker 1: and fifteen euros sixteen up to sixteen as adults adult
Speaker 1: for any no matter what. And so this particular evening
Speaker 1: the bill was on the floor, we thought we had
Speaker 1: to vote somehow another people started wavering. I don't care
Speaker 1: what anybody says. You may not agree with this, But
Speaker 1: Andrew Cuomo, he was he's y'all saw him on TV
Speaker 1: doing COVID. That was nice. But he's very much like
Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani because after nine to eleven, Giuliani was on
Speaker 1: TV every day. He became America's mayor because he helped
Speaker 1: to lead through a disaster, and people felt the same
Speaker 1: way about Andrew Cuomo. But the truth of the matter
Speaker 1: is that while we were trying to get raizy Ah
Speaker 1: and other things done, Cuomo was broken and deals with
Speaker 1: the Republicans that would would harm would have harmed us,
Speaker 1: and which caused you all into a compromise position. And
Speaker 1: so Michael blake.
Speaker 4: Because it's important the the because we weren't compromising on
Speaker 4: raizy Age with Andrew.
Speaker 1: No, I know that I'm saying that the way in
Speaker 1: which he split.
Speaker 4: The he split some folks. Yes, let's be real clear
Speaker 4: about this.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, because I am not saying that you were.
Speaker 4: But I think it's point because this goes back to
Speaker 4: the democracy conversation that someone would have walked away from
Speaker 4: this interview or all of y'all were getting down with that.
Speaker 1: No, but I'm going to finish my point right. And
Speaker 1: so we had the votes. Everything was good, and then
Speaker 1: there were people who started wavering. And as a result
Speaker 1: of folks wavering, I'm on the telephone with Michael and
Speaker 1: he's not telling me that he can make them do it,
Speaker 1: make them vote in our favor, Like you're like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, this person is acting crazy. Call so and
Speaker 1: so's office and I'm like, Michael, you go in there,
Speaker 1: do whatever you need to do and come out with
Speaker 1: an affirmative. And you were like, Hey, I'm telling you
Speaker 1: so and so We're not gonna put them on blast today.
Speaker 1: They acting they were with us, and so we got
Speaker 1: frustrated and we said, oh, you know what, we know
Speaker 1: what it is. We're on the telephone. The telephone doesn't
Speaker 1: work in these situations. It is now eleven o'clock at night,
Speaker 1: and we're going to get in the car, and we
Speaker 1: rented a van at night and packed it up to
Speaker 1: come up there and help you all. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that you were wavering. I'm saying that you needed help
Speaker 1: because you needed a little backup. So we came in
Speaker 1: for reinforcement. It's just the way we came in. It
Speaker 1: may have made you feel a little like we was
Speaker 1: trying to push you around too, but you just needed it.
Speaker 1: You needed help.
Speaker 4: You were tired of inside outside again. You know, appreciated mice.
Speaker 1: But it worked because we did get raised the age
Speaker 1: paths and you did some hell, you did a hell
Speaker 1: of a job making that happen. Brian Benjamin was up
Speaker 1: there with you and so many others to to ensure.
Speaker 4: That all deserves the credit because he was the lead
Speaker 4: on that show. It was people didn't give him the
Speaker 4: credit that he deserves.
Speaker 1: That's true. But you know the people that was talking
Speaker 1: to the people I got you were you and Michael
Speaker 1: and others like you and Andrews to a Cousins.
Speaker 4: So the CONVENI yeah, we want you to pull up
Speaker 4: everybody August twelve to fifteenth on the vineyard. Uh, stay
Speaker 4: connected to us Chiro's Democracy project. You want to see
Speaker 4: some things that it's going to drop this year. We
Speaker 4: want to be that other force out here around democracy.
Speaker 4: And you said something earlier on why I created Kiros
Speaker 4: in the way I did. I had not seen a
Speaker 4: space where all of us, regardless of industry and background,
Speaker 4: could rock with each other.
Speaker 1: It's some Republicans that's up in there too.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, if you if you you got good
Speaker 4: common sense, I want you in my space. How are
Speaker 4: you part of trying to build something beyond your organization
Speaker 4: because we need something different and that's what we want
Speaker 4: to be. But they just go to our dash. Chiros
Speaker 4: dot com and you can see everything we got going.
Speaker 4: We appreciate you.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you so much being with us.
Speaker 2: Shout out to our brother Michael Blake.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was a lot more that I wanted to, I.
Speaker 3: Know, I know, that's why I got my little one
Speaker 3: or two questions I got out the way because you
Speaker 3: was you.
Speaker 1: Was a lot of good questions, but I really wanted to.
Speaker 1: I wanted people to hear from him. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: he and I talk about discuss these issues all the time,
Speaker 1: but I think he did a good job of you know,
Speaker 1: first of all, speak clear. He's a black man first,
Speaker 1: but he's also a power broken Democratic Party, so we
Speaker 1: you know, we get to hear his perspective, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, we all. I don't know anybody who's really
Speaker 1: paying attention, who's not concerned about the direction we're traveling
Speaker 1: in as a nation. And there is a such thing
Speaker 1: as worse. So when people say I'm at my words,
Speaker 1: no we're not. We're not at ours, but we could
Speaker 1: certainly be. And it's not far away like the idea
Speaker 1: of people being deported for protesting. I know, I said,
Speaker 1: he can't do that, and then I thought about it
Speaker 1: and was like she like, you know what he could do,
Speaker 1: especially when he got Marjorie Tailor built back whatever stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't know what she calls her shout out to
Speaker 1: Jasmin Crockett, who I also would like to see vote
Speaker 1: differently as it relates to Gaza. But you know, I'm
Speaker 1: a challenge everybody. I'm holding them all accountable. I don't
Speaker 1: even care anymore. However, you know, Jasmine has been up
Speaker 1: there having to really like let people know to put
Speaker 1: some respect on her name for real, on the serious side,
Speaker 1: and respect, not not like on the we up here
Speaker 1: at work, but like on some I hate to have
Speaker 1: to actually go old school on my block on you
Speaker 1: put some respect on my name now.
Speaker 2: You got to, because you know some people only respect disrespect. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She's also which they don't like, highly.
Speaker 3: Intelligent and educated, and she broke down. I love the
Speaker 3: way she broke down.
Speaker 1: Well, that came from snapping. Oh yeah, those words came
Speaker 1: from growing up in a family where they snap on
Speaker 1: you and you got to snap back and you better know.
Speaker 4: What you're talking about better.
Speaker 2: That's what I grew up.
Speaker 1: But she's very she's a highly intelligent woman, and they
Speaker 1: don't like that. Marjorie Taylor Green is not She's not
Speaker 1: the sharpest knife in the draw. She is like the
Speaker 1: rest of them. She's a clown and a clown show.
Speaker 1: They know how to market themselves, but they're not actually
Speaker 1: intelligent people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't have much, which brings me to my.
Speaker 3: I don't get it today, just to be speaking about
Speaker 3: Gaza and you know, talking about what happened in Raeford
Speaker 3: the other day, my condolences goes out. I think I
Speaker 3: just get tired of keep saying that. But it's like
Speaker 3: sometimes you just feel like what else can you say?
Speaker 3: You know, just watching innocent people babies beheaded and burning,
Speaker 3: it's just just like crazy. So I post on my
Speaker 3: page and I'm just so tired o the what about
Speaker 3: Congo people? Because if you, if you are authentically coming
Speaker 3: to me about Congo, because I go to they pages
Speaker 3: when they say that, right, I go and I never
Speaker 3: see one post about the Congo, right, I don't. I
Speaker 3: don't get why you so concerned because we did a
Speaker 3: whole show about.
Speaker 1: The Conan, well, we did about.
Speaker 2: Haiti, about Haiti, and we talked about.
Speaker 1: Working on trying to get one done and Congo. You
Speaker 1: just can't just have any and everybody like, like, the
Speaker 1: reason why we can speak to Palestine the way that
Speaker 1: we can and the way that we do is because
Speaker 1: we've been there and we with our own eyes. This
Speaker 1: is not something that information.
Speaker 3: Exactly And so for me, I just don't get why
Speaker 3: we have the people that what about Congo people, and
Speaker 3: why they try to use that as something to diminish
Speaker 3: what's going on in Palestine. Like both things are true.
Speaker 3: What's happening in Congo is a thing. What's happening in
Speaker 3: Palestine is a thing. So we speak about we speak
Speaker 3: about Congo and we can speak about Palestin at the
Speaker 3: same time. I just don't understand why we feel like
Speaker 3: we have to compare.
Speaker 1: One has to be oppression Olympics.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't want to be involved in oppression Olympics.
Speaker 3: I don't want you to come to page with depression
Speaker 3: all of this. I want you, if you feel like
Speaker 3: the need while I'm speaking about what's going on in
Speaker 3: Gaza right now, if you feel the need to speak
Speaker 3: about the Congo, go to your page and talk about
Speaker 3: the Congo and I and I hope you do, you know,
Speaker 3: because it's gonna be times that I speak about the Congo.
Speaker 3: It's gonna it may be visuals that I see that
Speaker 3: you know, that trigger me about the Congo, and I
Speaker 3: come to my page and I'm gonna speak about it.
Speaker 2: And I don't need somebody to come there and say,
Speaker 2: what about Palestine? What about Chicago.
Speaker 3: It's like shit is fucked up, Like we know that
Speaker 3: shit is fucked up. But when I'm utilizing my platform
Speaker 3: to highlight something that I deem a genocide at the time,
Speaker 3: don't come there and tell me what about something else?
Speaker 3: And I don't even understand why somebody thinks that makes sense.
Speaker 3: And I want to especially our people, us as black people,
Speaker 3: we know what it's like to be oppressed, we know
Speaker 3: what it's like to be you know, to experience with genocide.
Speaker 3: It's like we have a history of that. So I
Speaker 3: don't think that even it makes sense for us to
Speaker 3: utilize our voice to try to diminish it happening to
Speaker 3: anybody else. We should understand that these people should be
Speaker 3: the allies that we utilize, because we understand firsthand that
Speaker 3: when they come for you at the daytime, they come
Speaker 3: for us at the nighttime.
Speaker 4: So please please.
Speaker 3: Try to do better. Don't tell me I understand that
Speaker 3: what's going on in the Congo is it is hideous.
Speaker 3: So I understand that, but please stop utilizing your voice
Speaker 3: to try to diminish somebody else's struct.
Speaker 1: Well, you know the pot you know, you and I
Speaker 1: we have to have this conversation once a week because
Speaker 1: evidently you don't get it, and I have to continue
Speaker 1: to You're saying, like, as black people, we understand, so
Speaker 1: why do we do this? And that most of the
Speaker 1: people who are on your page talking are not even
Speaker 1: black people. They are trones, they are paid provocateurs. And
Speaker 1: I'm not sure why at this point enough of us
Speaker 1: don't understand that this whole thing about, especially as elections
Speaker 1: get closer and in this situation where you have an
Speaker 1: actor like Israel in the midst of the Congo, and
Speaker 1: of course what's happening to the Palestinian people. Because if
Speaker 1: you really if you do your research and you really
Speaker 1: read up and learn, which is what I've been doing.
Speaker 1: Hence the fact that I'm not going to be able
Speaker 1: to sit here like I can tell you about streets
Speaker 1: in Palestine. I can tell you about tactics and things
Speaker 1: that I saw the smell of it. I was there,
Speaker 1: I went to people's homes that had elderly people who
Speaker 1: been living in a home for hundreds and hundred years.
Speaker 1: Their family has had this same home, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, a settler shows up, a Jewish settler shows
Speaker 1: up and says they gotta leave, and then the government
Speaker 1: will help put these people out of their ancestral home. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I saw it, but with the congo, I have
Speaker 1: not actually witnessed it. I would be speaking only from
Speaker 1: what I've read and what someone else has told me.
Speaker 1: And so what I try to do instead, because this
Speaker 1: is what I believe is the most powerful way for
Speaker 1: me to use my uneducated voice is one to become educated,
Speaker 1: and then second to let my platform be used by
Speaker 1: those who do know. And so I've partnered with other
Speaker 1: individuals who do know, and they use my page anytime
Speaker 1: they want me to post something. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say anytime, because once or twice I look at
Speaker 1: things and I don't really understand it. So I'm careful
Speaker 1: about how I collaborate with people. But for the ninety
Speaker 1: five percent of the time, I allowed them to collaborate
Speaker 1: on my page then and use my platform to express
Speaker 1: the many different complexities of what's happening in the Sudan
Speaker 1: and Congo and Haiti, and they also talk by paltime.
Speaker 1: So with that being said, what I want you to
Speaker 1: know is that with an actor like Israel at play here,
Speaker 1: who attempts to brainwash and mislead people all the time,
Speaker 1: they use the media all the time to try to
Speaker 1: manipulate people's understanding of not what's happening since October seventh,
Speaker 1: but what has been happening since nineteen forty eight. They
Speaker 1: are very very They used to be good at it,
Speaker 1: but it's blown up now. Everybody can see the veil
Speaker 1: is down right. And so when you have them involved
Speaker 1: even in the Congo and they're in Palestine and then
Speaker 1: an election is also coming, you can imagine that there
Speaker 1: are people working together behind the scenes to go into
Speaker 1: your comments, my comments, and everywhere else and cause division
Speaker 1: and dissension. So they're not even real people. And then
Speaker 1: the rest of them is just in they mama's basement,
Speaker 1: idiots that have nothing, no life, no nothing. And so
Speaker 1: when they find something to help them be contrarian, then
Speaker 1: they use that because that's their talking point. If you
Speaker 1: ask them to tell you about that, you should say,
Speaker 1: let's go live and talk about what you know about
Speaker 1: the Congo right now. I bet you they don't have
Speaker 1: the information.
Speaker 3: I know they don't because they never say anything. I'd
Speaker 3: be like, well, show me where you've posted about it,
Speaker 3: show me the information that you have that I don't have,
Speaker 3: and they'd be like, oh, it's out there. You're just
Speaker 3: not looking for whatever. Okay, there we go. Well with
Speaker 3: that said brings us to the end of another Dope episode.
Speaker 3: Shout out to our brother Michael Blake for his education
Speaker 3: on the the political system and he broke it down
Speaker 3: how you know laws get made, and he broke us
Speaker 3: down to actually what he does and how we need
Speaker 3: to be utilizing our voices in our platforms to transform
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