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This is 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:53.200 a sponsor I absolutely embrace, so use that code. 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:51.760 And joining me now. 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.600 Is a senior advisor to Bernie Sanders, but also the 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:59.960 head of executive director of a of a progressive media 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.520 organization called more Perfect Union. 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:03.520 It's my core. 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:06.400 I've known Faz a long time and one thing that 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:11.240 I will tell you about Faz is he. 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:14.440 He can't spin. It's it's I think it's. 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.160 His most endearing quality, which is why so many of 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.440 us reporters like dealing with Faz. He is a truth teller. 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.919 He has very He certainly has his opinions, but he's 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.440 not a very good spinner, meaning he's not he doesn't 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:27.440 like the bullshit people. 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:29.120 And so the. 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:31.839 Point is is you don't have to feel like you're 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:36.400 deciphering what he's saying to my questions. It will be 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.120 pretty straightforward. I hope you take that as accomplished. 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.560 I appreciate that, and obviously it goes back to why 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:44.600 we got involved in politics in the first place. And 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:47.480 ideally it's not enough for spin or the tactical approaches, 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:48.600 but rather some conviction. 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.400 Well, you actually usually get pretty frustrated by it. I'm curious. 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:53.360 Have you ever had clients get frustrated with you that 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:54.120 you don't do that? 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.960 Thankfully, the people I've worked for have not gotten frustrated. 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.839 Harry Reid was a truth teller, you know, very kind 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:04.320 of classic way, and Bernie Sanders for John Podesta and 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:07.520 people like that who generally just appreciated my approach. But 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.760 I'm sure that if there are many politicians who could 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.200 potentially get frustrated, who might probably wouldn't work for. 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:19.959 So this is sort of an interesting political environment we're in, right, 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:22.200 You can look at it just through the lens of 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.600 you know, you're hoping progressives have a better shot. You're 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.560 you're looking at and tactically things couldn't be better for 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:34.960 the left right. The opportunities are across the board, but 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:38.760 there's it feels that there's something right. There's it's the 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:44.720 Democratic Party feels very divided and sort of arguably leaderless. 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.680 It is worth noting you ran for the Yeah, you went, 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.000 and most of the time when you're the party out 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:54.480 of power, it's you usually are less your your lead. 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.040 Your leaders aren't usually very well known. But in this 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.720 case it feels very leaderless. I do want to remind 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.360 people you ran for DNC chair in the race that 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.800 that elected Ken Martin. I am curious at that rate, 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:08.880 if that position opens up before the end of the year, 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:09.640 would you run again. 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:13.200 No, I don't believe so. I mean the reason that 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.560 I ran at that time that wasn't because I thought 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:17.320 I went, but because I had a case that I 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.120 wanted to make publicly about the direction of the DNC. 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.479 And as I watched Ken Martin try to struggle through 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:27.400 what I think we're foreseeable understandable challenges that you have 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:30.040 a bureaucracy, that you have to navigate and if you 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:31.880 don't come in like a bull in a china shop 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:35.120 to change it, that the bureaucracy will capture you. And 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:37.560 I think what I was trying to argue for at 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:39.680 the time was that you have to have a clear 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:42.680 mandate coming in the door of what you want to 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.080 do and have people understand it and vote upon that. 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.039 If you don't, you'll get stuck. And I think he's 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.640 a good person stuck in a bad system. And you 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:52.280 can see right. I mean, the only thing he had 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.000 really firmly campaigned on was that the state parties would 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.120 get additional funding, which he has delivered, but he has 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.560 also put them in some difficult straits which I know 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:01.159 he's working his butt off to try to fix. 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:03.320 No, that's a great way of putting it. 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:07.080 It does feel as if that he just he doesn't 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:08.520 know how to deal with the system. 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.600 And I think he'd own it and tell you. I mean, 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.599 we've had some candid conversations between us about you. My 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.479 own desires would be to lay out an agenda for 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.120 twenty twenty six on the Democratic Party side, to say 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:22.240 here four or five things we're actively going to go 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.960 and campaign on to compel that kind of a conversation. 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.640 I don't think he necessarily sees it as the DNC role. 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.600 I think Schumer, Jeffries, the leaders of the Democratic Party 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:33.640 right now don't want to necessarily campaign in that kind 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.200 of direction. They think, if Trump is burying himself, why 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.400 put anything out there affirmatively for a vision. And so 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:41.479 you've got a bit of a play dead philosophy and 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.960 mentality that is governing much of the Democratic ranks. And 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:45.800 for those of us who are trying to reinstill the 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.840 brand to be definitionally about something, it's an uphill climb 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.720 right now. It explains partly why Bernie Sanders so popular 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.880 within the Democratic Party right now, why in a leaderless place, 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:59.360 why he is probably the most popular Democrat and elected 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:03.760 official in these because he's definitially about something affirmative. 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.000 Well, you're you're getting into something that I think is 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:08.520 the real challenge for the party, and I just don't 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.480 think they have the leadership to do with the challenge 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.760 right that at the moment. And that is, Look, the 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.400 party's got a massive brand problem. It's still there. The 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.800 new NBC News poll. As bad as Trump is, as 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.880 unpopular as this war is, the Democratic brand is in 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.760 worse shape than the Republican brand. So that is, you know, 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:26.920 that is the one thing at sort of which what 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:28.719 is different from twenty eighteen. 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:30.480 That is the one difference. 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:34.920 Now it may not matter in this midterm and because 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.279 of what you just describe the play dead strategy, which 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.680 is and you know, let them this is ropen dope, right, 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:41.039 let them punch themselves out. 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:42.599 And they're doing a pretty good job. 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:43.159 Yeah. 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.359 I mean, Trump debates himself on Iran. Why do you 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.760 have to put out a statement? He's gonna, he's gonna 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:49.560 he's gonna have. 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.680 Fractors his own coalition, you see now Joe Rugan and 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:52.840 Megan Kelly and you. 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:54.800 Know, and he's doing it all over the place, right 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:56.480 if you think about it over the last two weeks, 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.880 you know. And it's always for a check, right, monsanto 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.440 to check. So he did the executive order on the 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:06.000 on the weed killer. That upsets Maha, right, he doesn't 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:09.400 run that upset like he put together this interesting coalition. 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.080 But when you put together coalitions, you got to keep them. 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:14.360 You got to you gotta deliver. 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.560 Yeah, yeah, and he slut them down. I mean, I 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.560 think in my mind, the one big difference from his 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.680 first term to a second term. What what did we Well, 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:24.160 a lot of things were baking in the cake about 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.200 Donald Trump. If we had told each other, oh, he's 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:28.000 going to be tough on immigration, he's going to do 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.600 some acts that are boordlight illegal, we wouldn't have been 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.240 terribly surprised about that. If you said, oh, he's gonna 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:37.120 even you know, engage in tax cuts for the ranch, 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.240 there's lots of things that you just would have baked 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:41.320 into the cake. I think the way in which he 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.320 campaigned and well, at least from the moment he wins 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:49.720 to immediately the inauguration, having Bezos, Zuckerberg and you know, 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:53.280 Musk right behind him was a stark departure from the 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:55.080 first term, in which you know, you remember he got 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.080 an anti trust case against Google, and now in the 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:02.080 second term he is just wholeheartedly embraced big tech and 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:06.280 the oligarchy, Saudi Arabia, the kings of the universe as 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.120 it were, as a corruption racket. And I think that 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.440 has more aggressively splintered the coalition faster than I think 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:13.240 a lot of people would have. 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.800 Assumed, as would you accept the premise that he is 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.440 now the caricature that many on the left tried to 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:19.680 paint the Bush family as. 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:22.920 Right, the Bushes were. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.320 Never like this, right, he he's like this caricature version. 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.480 Of this because we don't give him any credit for this, 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:33.760 but he is brazen about putting the corruption out loud 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:36.840 in front of you, to say, this is exactly why 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.240 I'm operating everything from you know, you take the Iran war, 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:41.880 it's just you know, here we're going to go do 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:43.959 it with Israel. It's very clear in your face how 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.880 we're going to execute this all the way through, you know, 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.960 to just you know, these AI tech deals will be 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.199 done at the behest of Tim Cook sitting right here 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:54.800 in front of me, and then him out loud stating 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.840 that these are the people, these high IQ individuals who 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.440 I listen to, who I think are really brillian, are 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:02.959 going to guide this administration. So when most working class 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.280 Americans right now are worried that does the President even 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.240 see me understand the struggles with affordability or cost of 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.240 living that I'm going through, and they're worried that his 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:14.720 agenda is somehow not on a different is fully on 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:16.280 the different plane than the one in which they live, 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:19.120 they are correct, because he's telling them that. Every given 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.000 day he tells you the things that are most important 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.000 to him, and none of them are around affordability. You 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.160 can send Susie Wiles and company. You're trying to compel 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:27.559 him in the union. 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:28.640 Kind of a music. 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.280 They set up these events that are clearly they're very 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.280 much You're like, they're well thought out, like you know 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.600 what they're doing. I think we're taping here on a Wednesday, 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:40.240 where to eleventh. They've got a couple today and in contemptio. 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:41.400 You know it's this. 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:45.080 It's this stuff that that means table stakes, right, It's 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.000 the stuff you should be doing as president in an electioneer, 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:51.040 sell your agenda, show people, show people an example where 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.040 you think your agenda's having an impact. And we know 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:54.320 what he's going to do. He's going to go there 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.720 just whin about the word affordability. They're telling me I 0:09:57.800 --> 0:09:59.360 have to do this, and you're just sitting there going 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:01.679 huh okay. 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:03.960 And he's stuck in the bad. As we remember about 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.720 this with Biden, you get stuck in the finger wag 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.920 of don't you people know that I am doing amazing things? 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:14.120 Why aren't you appreciating all of the amazing things I've 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.480 done instead of you know what we are argued with Biden. 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:17.920 I think it would also be true to Trump. You 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.760 lean forward and say, here's the fundamental problems in society 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:22.680 that you are dealing with that I am focused on, 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.640 and I have to do next, not backwards, and they 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:28.040 only get stuck looking backwards and saying I've just done 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:29.400 all these amazing things. 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:31.600 What did you I. 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.520 Noticed over the week at JD. Vance tried, right, he said, 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.080 you know, he's trying. He was trying to say, yes, 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.560 I know, there's an affordability issue, and he did the 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:46.160 old you know, which is what any presidential administration would do. Hey, 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:48.880 was it was really bad when we took over. This 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:53.160 is going to take more time meanwhile, which okay, that's 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.600 sort of beam C plus B minus spin. But when 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.760 the president says, hey, pay no attention to that, it 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.720 and I talk about undermining whatever little attempt Vance was 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:06.160 doing to try to to try to let these people 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:07.840 know that he at least pays attention. 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.400 Well, you get into the psychology of the Trump advanced thing, 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.080 which is kind of entertaining and growing. 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:18.360 I mean, you know, yeah, right, you there were there 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.720 were sort of two core principles to vance that I 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:21.280 bought into. 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:24.920 One is that he was genuinely. 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:29.280 A believer in in breaking up these monopolies, you know, 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.079 corporate consolidation. You know, he would praise Lena Khan. Not 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:34.520 many Republicans would do that. 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:40.720 The conservatives, the right wing popula who cosed into the. 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:45.280 DAHO was a JD Vance, you know. So I genuinely 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.600 believe this is something that is that is that he 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.600 believes that this isn't just something that he adopted for 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:52.640 political purposes. 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:54.360 And then no more. 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:59.640 Foreign wars, right, And here's Trump essentially firing his staffer 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:04.320 at job steps, right, allowing companies to go around the 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:08.320 Justice Department, and essentially like with the Ticmaster thing, It's like, 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.480 I mean, you know, this is the thing that like 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.760 everybody knows the combination to Trump, right, how do you 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.080 it's a there's a and I always hate to make 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.800 Seinfeld references because there's it's such an old show now, 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:22.840 but there's enough people that still spin it. But there's 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.800 this like gag running gag with Elaine where she says, 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:28.599 I put it in the vault and and they're like 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.319 everybody knows, you. 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.959 Know, the the the combinations of the vault. 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:34.880 You just get get a little boone in her and 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:37.439 she'll tell you all spell all the secrets. Well with Trump, 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:39.559 well know the combination. You write a check to run 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.320 on the slush funds, you'll get what you want. You know, 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:44.480 you you know there's you know, you got to do 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.280 a couple of things here, but you do a deal 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.560 with the family whatever, and you'll get what you want. 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:49.720 It's pretty true. 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:53.160 And you know, I think it's you know, he allows 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.880 people to know these things because he's trying to He's 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.120 hanging out a sign like, hey, this is how you 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:00.959 do it. 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:02.600 It's really undermine Vance. 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:06.680 Like I just don't think Vance has any anything, any 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:07.640 credibility left. 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.920 There's obviously this musing about him suggesting Rubio might you know, 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.120 be a better candidate mar A Lago, And I was 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:16.600 wondering if they leaked into your thought about it. When 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.720 leading up into the Iran War, there's obviously some leakage 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.640 of around well Jade. Vance wasn't fully on board initially, 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.000 and I had some concerns and I was like, it 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.880 reminded me back in the day when you remember Obama 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.880 and they had the decision of going in Laden and 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.240 in let that Biden had against me with them, right, 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.280 and it felt that most are reducts of that, and 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.120 it was done at that time, right, and you could 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.600 sense of a Hillary kind of world that was setting 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:45.199 up twenty sixty. You know, here's the choice. And I 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.800 was felt again we got a Ruby over his vance 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:49.520 choice of who was with the president. 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:54.400 My warning to Rubio would simply be when the president 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.720 besides Iran was a mistake, not if okay, we know 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:01.600 when he ain't taken the blame, right, you know, and 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:03.200 I think Rubyo has been set up. 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.880 I mean this in my view, we can get down 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.840 for a policy conversation there. So the rationales for this 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:16.360 war are worse than you can imagine any prior US 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:20.480 intervention anywhere. And it is really doing a great disservice. 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.520 And we talked about the Democratic Party and the struggles 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:27.680 with it that there isn't a leading security minded argument 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.400 against this war. Well, you're seeing and hearing a lot 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:34.000 of our process and gas prices and domestic needs, and 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.520 those are all fair and correct, but what they miss 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.400 is if the president says this is an imminent threat 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:41.480 Iran was going to attack US, I had to go 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:45.400 do this war. Who is making this American security minded 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.920 argument that that is fully nonsense and that this war 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:52.080 of choice puts us in a weaker position security wise 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:53.200 than ever before. 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.080 Well, I don't think here more opposite of America. 0:14:56.080 --> 0:15:00.280 First, yeah, right, I mean, who's making the argument, Rand, 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:01.800 but you're asking it's actually Rand. 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:05.720 Paul, which which always frustrates me that we we you know, 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.640 I appreciate the Democrats are focused on the domestic needs 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:10.120 and we have to be right, and we just cost 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.720 of living in formula issues. But if you live in 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:16.240 the place of wine, to protect America, we should be 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:17.480 making the art, you know. 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:21.600 The issue this is still Vietnam syndrome. Yes, And I 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:24.080 think I think infiltrates the democratic brain. 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:28.080 You know, I tend to think that Israel politics is 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.320 also at play here and that there's some concerns around 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.320 you know, the AI companies that are at play here, 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.680 and how do you navigate the big money that's being 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.080 spent in the selection cycle, which we can get into, right, 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.400 Who's who are the big spenders in these primaries? And 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.880 it tends to be it's AI of two versions, right, 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.680 It's AI of artificial intelligence and it's AI of AI 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.600 American Israel Political Action Committee stuff. 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.040 So both of them, don't forget the crypto guys too, 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:56.040 fair shake where Chuck Schuber actually told them in the AA, 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:01.640 I mean, when Chuck Schumer tells the Democratic Caucus you're 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.920 just going to have to suck it up on crypto. 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.240 Yeah, that felt like that. 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:10.160 We have we have crossed the rubicon of of of 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.960 financial capture, right, and and I know it's fascinating to 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.640 me you you would appreciate this. I moderated a panel 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:20.200 a couple of weeks ago at the Principal's First Conference, 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:22.360 which is sort of a right, you know, sort of 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:26.040 Republicans still trying to repair the Republican Party post Trump. 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.200 They're all anti Trump and all this stuff. And there's 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:32.560 Pat McCrory advocating for campaign finance reform. And you're just 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:36.920 like the number of people I've run into recently that 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:40.000 have gotten religion on campaign finance reform are people I 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.080 never would have put anywhere near this topic even five 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:43.640 years ago. 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.360 Do you think see in that, just to stick with 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:51.640 that for a second, that in that wonderful NBC pull 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.800 that you and I read closely, Democrats are at the 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:58.280 bottom on approval unfortunately talked about that. But you see 0:16:58.320 --> 0:16:59.680 who is a little bit below that. 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:08.560 Aif this episode of the Chuck Toodcast is brought to 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.760 you by Quints. A thoughtfully built wardrobe comes down to 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.240 pieces that mix well and last. 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