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Speaker 2: And joining me now.

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Speaker 1: Is a senior advisor to Bernie Sanders, but also the

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Speaker 1: head of executive director of a of a progressive media

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Speaker 1: organization called more Perfect Union.

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Speaker 2: It's my core.

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Speaker 1: I've known Faz a long time and one thing that

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Speaker 1: I will tell you about Faz is he.

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Speaker 2: He can't spin. It's it's I think it's.

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Speaker 1: His most endearing quality, which is why so many of

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Speaker 1: us reporters like dealing with Faz. He is a truth teller.

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Speaker 1: He has very He certainly has his opinions, but he's

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Speaker 1: not a very good spinner, meaning he's not he doesn't

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Speaker 1: like the bullshit people.

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Speaker 2: And so the.

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Speaker 1: Point is is you don't have to feel like you're

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Speaker 1: deciphering what he's saying to my questions. It will be

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Speaker 1: pretty straightforward. I hope you take that as accomplished.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that, and obviously it goes back to why

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Speaker 3: we got involved in politics in the first place. And

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Speaker 3: ideally it's not enough for spin or the tactical approaches,

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Speaker 2: Well, you actually usually get pretty frustrated by it. I'm curious.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever had clients get frustrated with you that

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Speaker 2: you don't do that?

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Speaker 3: Thankfully, the people I've worked for have not gotten frustrated.

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Speaker 3: Harry Reid was a truth teller, you know, very kind

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Speaker 3: of classic way, and Bernie Sanders for John Podesta and

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Speaker 3: people like that who generally just appreciated my approach. But

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that if there are many politicians who could

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Speaker 1: So this is sort of an interesting political environment we're in, right,

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Speaker 1: You can look at it just through the lens of

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Speaker 1: you know, you're hoping progressives have a better shot. You're

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Speaker 1: you're looking at and tactically things couldn't be better for

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Speaker 1: the left right. The opportunities are across the board, but

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Speaker 1: there's it feels that there's something right. There's it's the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party feels very divided and sort of arguably leaderless.

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Speaker 1: It is worth noting you ran for the Yeah, you went,

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Speaker 1: Your leaders aren't usually very well known. But in this

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Speaker 3: No, I don't believe so. I mean the reason that

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Speaker 3: And as I watched Ken Martin try to struggle through

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Speaker 3: I think what I was trying to argue for at

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Speaker 3: If you don't, you'll get stuck. And I think he's

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Speaker 3: a good person stuck in a bad system. And you

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Speaker 3: also put them in some difficult straits which I know

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Speaker 2: No, that's a great way of putting it.

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Speaker 1: It does feel as if that he just he doesn't

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Speaker 3: And I think he'd own it and tell you. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we've had some candid conversations between us about you. My

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Speaker 3: own desires would be to lay out an agenda for

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six on the Democratic Party side, to say

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Speaker 3: here four or five things we're actively going to go

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Speaker 3: I don't think he necessarily sees it as the DNC role.

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Speaker 3: I think Schumer, Jeffries, the leaders of the Democratic Party

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Speaker 3: right now don't want to necessarily campaign in that kind

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Speaker 3: of direction. They think, if Trump is burying himself, why

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Speaker 3: put anything out there affirmatively for a vision. And so

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Speaker 3: you've got a bit of a play dead philosophy and

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Speaker 3: for those of us who are trying to reinstill the

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Speaker 3: brand to be definitionally about something, it's an uphill climb

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Speaker 3: right now. It explains partly why Bernie Sanders so popular

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Speaker 3: within the Democratic Party right now, why in a leaderless place,

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Speaker 3: official in these because he's definitially about something affirmative.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're you're getting into something that I think is

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Speaker 1: the real challenge for the party, and I just don't

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Speaker 1: right that at the moment. And that is, Look, the

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Speaker 1: party's got a massive brand problem. It's still there. The

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Speaker 1: unpopular as this war is, the Democratic brand is in

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Speaker 1: that is the one thing at sort of which what

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Speaker 2: That is the one difference.

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Speaker 1: Now it may not matter in this midterm and because

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Speaker 1: of what you just describe the play dead strategy, which

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Speaker 1: is and you know, let them this is ropen dope, right,

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Speaker 2: And they're doing a pretty good job.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Trump debates himself on Iran. Why do you

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Speaker 2: have to put out a statement? He's gonna, he's gonna

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Speaker 3: Fractors his own coalition, you see now Joe Rugan and

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Speaker 1: Know, and he's doing it all over the place, right

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Speaker 1: if you think about it over the last two weeks,

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Speaker 1: you know. And it's always for a check, right, monsanto

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Speaker 1: on the weed killer. That upsets Maha, right, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: run that upset like he put together this interesting coalition.

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Speaker 1: But when you put together coalitions, you got to keep them.

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Speaker 2: You got to you gotta deliver.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and he slut them down. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: think in my mind, the one big difference from his

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Speaker 3: first term to a second term. What what did we Well,

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Speaker 3: a lot of things were baking in the cake about

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump. If we had told each other, oh, he's

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Speaker 3: going to be tough on immigration, he's going to do

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Speaker 3: there's lots of things that you just would have baked

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Speaker 3: an anti trust case against Google, and now in the

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Speaker 3: second term he is just wholeheartedly embraced big tech and

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Speaker 3: a lot of people would have.

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Speaker 1: Assumed, as would you accept the premise that he is

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Speaker 1: now the caricature that many on the left tried to

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Speaker 2: Right, the Bushes were.

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Speaker 1: Never like this, right, he he's like this caricature version.

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Speaker 3: Of this because we don't give him any credit for this,

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Speaker 3: I'm operating everything from you know, you take the Iran war,

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Speaker 3: it with Israel. It's very clear in your face how

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Speaker 3: done at the behest of Tim Cook sitting right here

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Speaker 3: in front of me, and then him out loud stating

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Speaker 3: going to guide this administration. So when most working class

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Speaker 3: see me understand the struggles with affordability or cost of

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Speaker 3: they are correct, because he's telling them that. Every given

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Speaker 3: to him, and none of them are around affordability. You

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Speaker 2: Kind of a music.

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Speaker 1: They set up these events that are clearly they're very

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Speaker 1: much You're like, they're well thought out, like you know

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Speaker 1: what they're doing. I think we're taping here on a Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: where to eleventh. They've got a couple today and in contemptio.

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Speaker 2: You know it's this.

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Speaker 1: It's this stuff that that means table stakes, right, It's

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Speaker 1: the stuff you should be doing as president in an electioneer,

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Speaker 1: sell your agenda, show people, show people an example where

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Speaker 1: you think your agenda's having an impact. And we know

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Speaker 1: what he's going to do. He's going to go there

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Speaker 1: just whin about the word affordability. They're telling me I

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Speaker 3: And he's stuck in the bad. As we remember about

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Speaker 3: this with Biden, you get stuck in the finger wag

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Speaker 3: of don't you people know that I am doing amazing things?

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Speaker 3: Why aren't you appreciating all of the amazing things I've

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Speaker 1: That is you know, we're we're I was at another conference,

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Speaker 1: It's the same companies that are that are in charge

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Speaker 3: Understandable? And I we should be. I think if you

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Speaker 1: When you have a massive amount of money consume your

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Speaker 3: orient yourself of being a populast who fights for working

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Speaker 3: class people and that that is who governs your sense

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Speaker 3: of the fights. I picked the people for whom I

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Speaker 3: am going to challenge the wealthy and the powerful.

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Speaker 1: Fights that you pick. You talk about this all the time.

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Speaker 1: You got to learn, you know, Donald Trump was really

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Speaker 1: good about pick and fights. And you've said this before,

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Speaker 1: and you think Democrats are.

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Speaker 2: Terrible about it.

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Speaker 3: They don't like friction by almost it's almost in the

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Speaker 3: DNA now you can sense it that even as we

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Speaker 3: talk right now, in this amount of leading up to

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, what are we putting on the table

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Speaker 3: besides our hatred of Donald Trump? I mean, you go

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Speaker 3: that Illinois race and you have candidates run, you know,

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Speaker 3: running f Trump adds literally three seconds of just that.

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Speaker 3: Trump got that. That's pretty clear. I think the public

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Speaker 3: has as an understanding that you and Donald Trump are not,

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Speaker 3: I time, on anything else. Is there any friction within

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Speaker 3: American society on any economic justice issues in which you're

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Speaker 3: willing to name names and take on powerful actors? And

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Speaker 3: this goes back to our AI question. They're telling you

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Speaker 3: right now, American public is telling you right now that

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Speaker 3: this is one of their top concerns. And how is

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Speaker 3: it possible that any political actors or political parties have

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Speaker 3: not gravitated to the layup that's on the table. We

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Speaker 3: could argue about the Data Center moratory method policy, but

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Speaker 3: it is clear that Bernie Sanders, just by putting it

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Speaker 3: on the docket, has said I am putting something out

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Speaker 3: there that it was reflecting the pain of working class people.

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Speaker 3: Does anybody want to meet me or match this bar

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Speaker 3: or suggest that.

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Speaker 1: Shared Brown loss because of Crypto fast exactly? I mean,

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Speaker 1: like it is that has It seems like that result

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Speaker 1: that Bernio Moreno became the crypto guy and then dropped

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Speaker 1: the whole ton of cash on Shared Brown in twenty

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Speaker 1: four It seems as if that has just absolutely overwhelm.

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Speaker 3: This is why great talking with you about these kinds

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Speaker 3: of things, as you live these very well, because you,

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Speaker 3: unlike most political commentators, I think, are able to marry

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Speaker 3: policy and politics, and I think often we get into

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Speaker 3: your Democrats think so heavy heading about policy that they

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Speaker 3: let their politics suffer as a result. Meanwhile, the Republicans

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Speaker 3: are the other way around. They know when they're going

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Speaker 3: to govern, they're going to govern on behalf of crypto.

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Speaker 3: But when I politic, when I get out into the

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Speaker 3: world and talk to working class people, I say things

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Speaker 3: brazenly about, oh, I'm going to take on the wealthy

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Speaker 3: and the powerful. I hate this wealthy actor and in

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Speaker 3: ways that I think because they're better populist wise campaigning,

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Speaker 3: And it gets to my deep, deep frustration with the

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Speaker 3: Democrat Party of how we don't campaign is to name names,

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Speaker 3: name some villains, get into fights, elevate these kinds of issues,

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Speaker 3: and then of course I want to marry that with

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Speaker 3: a policy agenda. But often the policy agenda, you know,

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Speaker 3: is so much in the forefront of our mind that

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Speaker 3: we have no politics by which to reach regular people over.

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Speaker 1: So, I it's interesting that you call it. You think

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Speaker 1: you're there's a Bernie Sanders moment here. I certainly think

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Speaker 1: there's an outsider, independent moment that's happening. And I'm but

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm one of those that getting close isn't

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Speaker 1: going to mean anything to me in twenty six. You know,

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Speaker 1: if Osborne loses again, okay, then it didn't work. Just

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Speaker 1: because you come close doesn't mean it's It doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: If Seth Bodner is not a United States Senator out

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Speaker 1: of Montana, it didn't work. If Mike Duggan is not

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Speaker 1: the next governor of Michigan, it didn't work.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: But all three could happen. Maybe three, All three could

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Speaker 2: benefit from not having a party label A La Bernie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but also I think the over unders matter that

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Speaker 3: the delta's in the margins. So I wouldn't go all

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Speaker 3: the way to saying, hey, I hear you're still trying

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Speaker 3: to figure out what is the right directional form of

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Speaker 3: politics that people that matches what people would support, and

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Speaker 3: for a democratic parties trying to find its way, I'm

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Speaker 3: arguing that some of these independents are offering a kind

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Speaker 3: of different working class economic first agenda, then should influence

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Speaker 3: the way in which we think. Right.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was.

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Speaker 1: Spending a little bit of extra time on the FDR

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Speaker 1: coalition a couple of weeks ago and going back through

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Speaker 1: some of it, and you do realize that FDR's decision

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Speaker 1: to just stick to an economic focus did widen did

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Speaker 1: broaden his support. Now there's history is not kind on

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Speaker 1: some of the on some of these things, right with him.

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Speaker 1: But the only way you can make you can make

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Speaker 1: economic justice a transformational issue is if you can get

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Speaker 1: fifty five sixty percent type of coalitions. And he did

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Speaker 1: build one, and he showed I mean, I've said, if

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Speaker 1: if the right drops its cultural greed, the economic populace

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Speaker 1: on the right, drop the cultural grievance issue or start

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Speaker 1: prioritizing the economic justice over and above everything else. And

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Speaker 1: you know, and Bernie's gotten in trouble at this at

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Speaker 1: times right where he will endorse candidates that maybe he

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Speaker 1: doesn't agree with on guns and doesn't agree with on abortion,

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Speaker 1: but he's like, look on the economic.

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Speaker 2: Issues, this is the priority.

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Speaker 1: And this to me is always how the Democrats get

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Speaker 1: in their own way, right, they punish a candidate it

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Speaker 1: isn't correct on these social issues, and that still seems

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Speaker 1: to be the struggle the party is having.

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Speaker 2: And why these these Osborne's of the world or.

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Speaker 1: Or the Bodiers of the world are going you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm better off from running as an independent. That way

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Speaker 1: I can say no to some of these groups and

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Speaker 1: not get punished for it.

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Speaker 3: Right. I mean again, in the wonderful NBC poll I

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Speaker 3: they get asked, you know, Republicans and Democrats essentially, would

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Speaker 3: you prefer a candidate who has closer ideology to you?

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Speaker 3: Or electability arguments? And it was always been generally the

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Speaker 3: case that Democrats have favored these kinds of electability arguments,

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Speaker 3: and still did in that poll. Though there's a little

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Speaker 3: bit more ideological.

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Speaker 2: It was a twenty point right.

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Speaker 1: It was like Republicans were like seventy twenty and you know,

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Speaker 1: this is what I have a big progressive lean In

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Speaker 1: the class that I'm teaching at USC this year, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of you know, legal studies majors. They're ready

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Speaker 1: to go the world right justice warriors, and they're all

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Speaker 1: very frustrated that you would love them because they are like,

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Speaker 1: why does the Democratic Party?

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Speaker 2: You know, they seem to always cave to its moderates.

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Speaker 1: And I always say, look, there is a math problem

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Speaker 1: that the Democrats have, right, which is the self described

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Speaker 1: conservative is about ten points more than the self described liberal,

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Speaker 1: and what does that mean in your goal to get

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Speaker 1: to fifty percent? Republicans need fewer middle of the road

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Speaker 1: voters than Democrats do. Right, continues to be a math problem.

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Speaker 3: For the last maya pill fight on this within the

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Speaker 3: Democratic Party ranks has been a kind of a rearguard

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Speaker 3: difficult fight, which is that Bernie Sanders is a stronger

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Speaker 3: under election candidate than he as a primary candidate. And

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Speaker 3: if to understand that, you haven't been able to never

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Speaker 3: been able to get there, and I would argue, well, sadly,

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Speaker 3: we'll never see it, but I would. I'm firm about

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Speaker 3: my own personal views on that, and as if if

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Speaker 3: people were to agree with me on it, then you're saying, well,

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Speaker 3: what about Senator Sanders would would move a five percent

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Speaker 3: of conservatives independence in the column of him. Well, now

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Speaker 3: we get into the heart of what I think of

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Speaker 3: a Democratic Party should be in and around, is that

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Speaker 3: here's a fight against a billionaire class. A willingness to

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Speaker 3: take on corporate power and corporate greed and corporate influence,

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Speaker 3: and willingness to fight or campaign finance reform and meaningful

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Speaker 3: and important ways and integrity that you trust that you

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Speaker 3: wake up every day wanting to fight for working class Americans.

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Speaker 3: That is, That's clearly what they people associate with Bernie,

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Speaker 3: and I think we want more of that associated with

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Speaker 3: the Democratic Party. But unfortunately this is a book wal

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Speaker 3: re alignment opportunity in America. In my view, I think

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Speaker 3: we get that you don't always get these opportunities, but

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Speaker 3: right now you've got one where I think if the

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Speaker 3: right hand with the right appeal gets that five seven

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Speaker 3: percent moving fully over and potentially staying with you, if

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Speaker 3: you you know campaign. You know, we saw this with Obama.

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Speaker 3: He had the opportunity in two thousand and seven eight,

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Speaker 3: and he had it, you know for a period of time.

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Speaker 3: Somebody coming along right now could realign America in a major,

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Speaker 3: major way.

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Speaker 1: I am near a Tandon shares your belief in that

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Speaker 1: that this is that this is a moment. Now, she's

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Speaker 1: more in the this is a moment for the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 1: don't screw it up type of moment. I I'm a

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Speaker 1: bit more pessimistic. I think where I think there needs

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Speaker 1: to be another kick. You know, there's a Mitch McConnell

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Speaker 1: phrase that I sort of like that he uses, which is,

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Speaker 1: there's no there's no second educator, there's no extra education

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Speaker 1: with the second kick to the head by a mule.

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Speaker 2: Or something like that.

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Speaker 1: And yet I have a feeling that I have a

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Speaker 1: feeling that twenty six is going to give Democrats false

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Speaker 1: hope about twenty eight and that they will go in

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Speaker 1: the wrong direction. Well, what happened in eighty six eighty eight,

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Speaker 1: it was a very similar situation.

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Speaker 3: The the big TVD there though, is that unlike let's

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Speaker 3: call it twenty twenty two, when you say, you know,

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Speaker 3: led to the kind of the wrong false hope that

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Speaker 3: you're referring to. There was an assumed front runner right

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Speaker 3: of the Democratic nomination. There wasn't going to be as

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Speaker 3: much of a debate there should have been, should argue,

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Speaker 3: but there there wasn't sure by this time there will

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Speaker 3: be right, There will be actively has to be a

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Speaker 3: very competitive primary, very open debate. The question and concern

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Speaker 3: that I have, of course, is that given that Senator

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Speaker 3: Sanders is extremely extremely unlikely to run, I do think

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Speaker 3: that were he able to run, he would win in

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Speaker 3: this in this cycle.

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Speaker 1: And oh, I'm more convinced today than I would have

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Speaker 1: been five years ago that they that Bernie wins the

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen election.

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Speaker 3: Right unfortunate and.

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Speaker 2: I was probably would not have been in that camp

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Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen seventeen.

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Speaker 3: But I think he you know, if we could rind

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Speaker 3: the clock fifteen years younger where he could run, he

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Speaker 3: would do very well. So is there a natural follow on?

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Speaker 3: Is the obvious question? Who most is closest to the

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Speaker 3: conceptions of what are the best political attributes of Bernie?

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Speaker 3: And at this point, as you and I talk, it

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Speaker 3: is not yet clear that there is that There's a

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Speaker 3: lot of in the normy kind of moderate centrist lane.

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Speaker 3: Lots of governors, as we could rattle off, but who's

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Speaker 3: going to be out there progressive aggressively saying like Bernie Sanders,

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Speaker 3: I believe X, Y and Z.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, You're right, I'm I'm you know.

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Speaker 1: I think another under sould aspect to Bernie, which is

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Speaker 1: why I'm more skeptical of AOC, is that he was

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Speaker 1: from a rural state. Yeah, and so there's a little

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Speaker 1: bit more credibility than coming from you know, had he

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Speaker 1: always been, had he stayed in Brooklyn and been a

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Speaker 1: New York senator, I don't know if.

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Speaker 2: He's the same following well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know that it's a small thing, but

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Speaker 1: I wonder because there is just a there is a

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Speaker 1: branding that comes with New York Democrat, California Democrat that

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Speaker 1: you don't get with Vermont.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, liberals different, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, by his orientation is very much a class base there.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a.

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Speaker 2: Class and what the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: This goes back to the Democrats need a good old

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Speaker 1: fashioned class warfare. Campasely, this is what FDR did, But

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Speaker 1: you got to drop the culture and that I don't

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Speaker 1: know if today's Democratic Party and the interest groups that

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Speaker 1: control it are ready.

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Speaker 2: To do that. Right.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'd quibble with drop the culture because the thing

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Speaker 3: I get concerned about on this front is you cannot

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Speaker 3: go before the American public and lie and deceive them

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Speaker 3: about what you might honestly believe. What you're trying to argue.

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Speaker 3: In my mind over is what is the primacy of

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Speaker 3: the things that I most care about from my end

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Speaker 3: litigated the sober Kambla and other people, is that when

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Speaker 3: you don't have the privacy of an economic justice, class

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Speaker 3: based argument that people believe and trust and say, oh,

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Speaker 3: that's what animates you. When you don't have that, what

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Speaker 3: becomes subsumed by you is the sense that you probably

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Speaker 3: care a lot more about these other culture issues in

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Speaker 3: which there's far more differences of opinions about the American public.

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Speaker 3: And we tend to think maybe that's what animates you

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Speaker 3: and why you want to get into government? Does you

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Speaker 3: want DEI in various government agencies? And you know that

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Speaker 3: you can't fault a lot of people from understand seeming

682
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Speaker 3: like they're trying to hunt for what is it that

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Speaker 3: drives you? And I don't want people to feel like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I have to run away from culture, but I don't

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Speaker 3: think that's the case. They just want to know that

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Speaker 3: will you give allowance for disagreement on the cultural issues

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Speaker 3: where there might be and say, hey, this is what

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Speaker 3: I believe. I appreciate and you might have a different

689
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Speaker 3: point of view, but here's what I believe. But together

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Speaker 3: you and I are on the same page on these

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Speaker 3: economic justice fights on wealth and income and quality that

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Speaker 3: are the first order priorities of today.

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Speaker 1: So what would should be doing if you were running

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Speaker 1: the party right now with these independent candidacies in the

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Speaker 1: in the in the sort of upper Midwest, you know

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Speaker 1: you have You're probably gonna have one in Kansas, now,

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Speaker 1: in Nebraska, Montana, South Dakota. Well, you're a lot let me,

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Speaker 1: said Doug aside, Dugan is sort of a different type

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Speaker 1: of campaign. The other ones are all very similar because

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Speaker 1: you know, they actually coordinate. You know, they have their

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Speaker 1: own I've interviewed a couple of them and they said.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, we're on a text chain. You know, Osborne

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Speaker 2: and Bangs and the guy in Idaho, I'm blanking on

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Speaker 2: his name.

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Speaker 1: I apologize. They're gonna be mad at me. Todd Todd yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you.

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Speaker 2: What would you be doing with them if you were

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Speaker 2: at the dnc UH.

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Speaker 3: In my view, we have some really great candidates. So,

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Speaker 3: first of all, while acknowledging that you've mentioned some that

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Speaker 3: are kind of maybe problematic or challenging for you know,

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Speaker 3: do you advance a Democratic Canada surveying the field, is

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Speaker 3: there a strong candidate or not? You have to make

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Speaker 3: prioritizations the question we're just say, well, who is a

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Speaker 3: priority for you? Thankfully, the Democrats do have very strong

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Speaker 3: priorities that you know, go to Alaska, you go Iowa, Texas, Maine,

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Speaker 3: North Carolina, hire lots of potentials of pickups and on

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Speaker 3: the Senate races alone, and you say, that's where the

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Speaker 3: prioritization for the Democratic National Committee is right. Just to

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Speaker 3: look at this field and look at the possibilities, and

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Speaker 3: we need to advertise. This is the moment to advertise

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Speaker 3: a different kind of a Democratic party. And Mary Bell

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Speaker 3: Tolla gives you that, James Tallerico gives you on Grand

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Speaker 3: Plantner gives you that. Obviously, you have to navigate some

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Speaker 3: primary issues here. Who represents us in Iowa? Who represents

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Speaker 3: us in some of these other places? But I think

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Speaker 3: that the possibility is that for the first cycle that

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Speaker 3: I can remember a long period of time, we will

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Speaker 3: have new faces that look and feel like working class voices,

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Speaker 3: relatively new voices across the board, although Charit and Roy

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Speaker 3: Cooper are older. But I think you might have the

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Speaker 3: opportunity to say, here, look at the new faces, the

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Speaker 3: new direction, the new orientation of this Democratic Party. That's

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Speaker 3: what I think is really possible for the d n

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Speaker 3: C side of it things.

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Speaker 1: So what would you do though, about the secondary races

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Speaker 1: of Montana and Nebraska?

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Speaker 3: What do you suggest on the table? I mean, we're

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Speaker 3: not going to be We're not going to be.

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Speaker 1: The ward agreed to stand down in Nebraska. I mean

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Speaker 1: it seems like that's a that's an open secret. Montana's

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Speaker 1: a different story where you have John Tester endorsing the Independent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So in my mind, if you feel like there's

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Speaker 3: a good chance that we could capture the Senate with

746
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Speaker 3: Democrats majority of the Democrats, why wouldn't you let a

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Speaker 3: flyer run in Montana or wherever the case might be,

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Speaker 3: in which we don't necessarily have to feel as a

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Speaker 3: Democratic Canadon because we think we can defeat the Republican

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Speaker 3: with the Independent. I don't know, I haven't seen enough

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Speaker 3: with the polling on that, but we're making a theoretical

752
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Speaker 3: observation here that if we feel like we can get

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Speaker 3: to fifty plus one with Democratic votes and that Osborne

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Speaker 3: or an independent and Montana could win, great, great, that's great,

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Speaker 3: great froms grateful of us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean, I just this is the look.

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Speaker 2: I kind of think we kind of need a a moment,

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Speaker 2: that that push that forces both parties to rethink of

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Speaker 2: what they are, right, and that's what that's what independent

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Speaker 2: candidacies can do.

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Speaker 1: They're not replacements, right, We're not We're not doing that.

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Speaker 1: There's not a third party that becomes a second party

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Speaker 1: per se. But there's definitely interest in this, right. You

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Speaker 1: see it among younger voters. I assume you see it

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Speaker 1: a lot in your work at more Perfect Union.

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Speaker 3: I mean the MVP, and we've seen this and Bernie

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Speaker 3: as he gets that he's done the fight, all Gurchy

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Speaker 3: rallies and the course of the last year, and we

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Speaker 3: look at the match, every attendee over the vility of

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Speaker 3: moves minutes, and then same with the MVU, and we

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Speaker 3: look at all of our audience where they're coming in.

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Speaker 3: Particularly if you're younger than thirty five, you're you're an independent,

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Speaker 3: You're no party preference. Honestly, even if you might say

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Speaker 3: you're done, you're not really. And so a lot of

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Speaker 3: people are just are independent minded. But when you say

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Speaker 3: independent minded, what is there? They still have ideological orientation.

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Speaker 3: That's what often gets discounted, that the sense there's sometimes

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Speaker 3: a conflation that independent is moderate centrist, not cent.

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Speaker 1: What I always say independent usually is is you know,

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Speaker 1: they nobody wants to feel like they have to own everything,

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Speaker 1: the deeds and the rs stand for these days where

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Speaker 1: I understand why people don't want to do that.

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Speaker 3: And that the partisanship isn't what appeals to people right now.

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Speaker 3: It is I don't want to beat the dead horse

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Speaker 3: hero once again, that the people's economic lives govern their

786
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Speaker 3: orientation and they're thinking about politics, not the other way around.

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Speaker 3: Politics doesn't tend to govern I mean, l sure like

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Speaker 3: you and me political animals. If you think about politics

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Speaker 3: all the time, most people I think about their economic

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Speaker 3: lives of the struggles, and then working backwards to does

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Speaker 3: politics even match or represent or or have infused anything

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Speaker 3: into this? And the answer currently right now is not really,

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Speaker 3: because you don't have working class candidates generally speaking across

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Speaker 3: labor force, who matches where your thinking is at.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a I think at some point we

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Speaker 3: a cycle, in a race to the bottom, you fight

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Speaker 2: Well, there's this mindset of.

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Speaker 1: Do whatever it takes to grab power, then you can

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Speaker 1: implement an agenda. And I sense that that is where

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Speaker 1: you know, there's a little bit of a divide, almost

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Speaker 1: like a tactical divide on the left, which is.

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Speaker 3: I'll know that there I don't even see.

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Speaker 1: That session or just get power and then we'll worry

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Speaker 1: about everything else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess the quibble there is do

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Speaker 3: you sense an orientation of once you have power, what

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Speaker 3: are you going to do? What is a first order

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Speaker 3: priority of how do you solve this fundamental problem? And

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Speaker 3: I think we have to make sure that it's an

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Speaker 3: integrity based movement of people are saying, hey, here's the

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Speaker 3: right way an election system should work. Let's have national readition.

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Speaker 1: Do you worry that the left giving up it's look?

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Speaker 1: I do think so let me defend Here's how I

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Speaker 1: would defend the Democratic Party's lack of why there's a

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Speaker 1: little bit of fear of putting themselves out there or

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Speaker 1: picking a fight. I think I could make an argument

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Speaker 1: that be playing the role of worthy adult in the

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Speaker 1: room party has helped Democrats compete in some places that

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Speaker 1: they normally wouldn't do as well, and so there's a

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Speaker 1: fear of giving up the adult For instance, I think

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Speaker 1: for instan this redistricting, you spend fifteen years branding yourself

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Speaker 1: as the party of fairness and.

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Speaker 2: Then you throw it all away here. You can't get

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Speaker 2: that back.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to regret in the long run not

873
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Speaker 1: being seen as the party that was willing to put

874
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: fairness above partisanship.

875
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 3: I don't live with that fear, and I think everyone

876
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: is fully aware of why we are engaged in a

877
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 3: kind of asymmetrical warfare and the need for a different

878
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 3: orientation to meet the crisis of the moment, and that

879
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: happens to be around Donald Trump, and is the lack

880
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 3: of value system of how he thinks about how to government,

881
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: and so you say, okay, well we we're going to

882
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 3: fully lose our values. Is we got to fight a

883
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: fight right now, the bullies in the in the in

884
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 3: the in the alley, and then attacking you attack. But

885
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: then once you reorient say how would I better deal

886
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 3: with this situation in the future such to avoid these

887
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 3: kinds of problems. And I want that kind of a

888
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 3: thinking that we have to be the struthurb a foreign

889
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: party that says, hey, now that having it lived through

890
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 3: chaos and a reorientation what Donald Trump did to government,

891
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: can we come in and be reform minded in our

892
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: own right. This goes back to your if you're with

893
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: a discussion of the Democrats not loving friction and fights,

894
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: we come up status quo party. It is what is

895
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 3: assumed of you and of us in the words that

896
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 3: you used as well.

897
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: Adults, well, pragmatism has become code for status quo exactly.

898
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 3: You know, adult minded is to say, no, listen, guys,

899
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 3: don't fight fights, you can't win, don't worry what this

900
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 3: is the system as it's always been, don't worry about it.

901
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 3: And I don't mean to describe oversubscribes to it, but

902
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 3: there has been a sign mentality around people who are

903
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: upper class, upper educated. Right have you know you're making

904
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 3: over one hundred fifty thousand dollars a year, you have

905
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 3: an advanced degree, and you're like, fundamentally there, we don't

906
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: need overhauls of any major things. But yeah, but the

907
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: rest of America sixty plus percent believes in major systemic overhauls.

908
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: We have to reflect those and they are needed in

909
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: this moment.

910
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: Who's the heir apparent to Bernie?

911
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 3: I want a lot of people competing for that, Lade Jack,

912
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 3: I want I want a lot of people throwing their hands.

913
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: Is who do you think is doing a good job

914
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: competing for the mantle right now?

915
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: Good job competing is a high barber at the moment.

916
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 3: I mean, there's obviously people. He has a great fondness

917
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: for college Kagi pretension, He's gone out into the world

918
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 3: with He's done events with a number of people.

919
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: I mean, if it looks like he has a preference

920
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: for her, if you're just watching observationally and how many

921
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: times he's done events with her versus others.

922
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: But by reading the.

923
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 3: Word preference is doing a lot of work for you there.

924
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 3: But I'd say what is clear is that he respects

925
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 3: that she has built something of a national appeal and

926
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: has a lot of young people in particular who believe

927
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 3: in her and her vision of leadership. And he feels

928
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 3: like he learned something from that. Right is that, Oh,

929
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 3: here's somebody cultivating a populist kind of large natural, wide

930
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 3: scale support. And for those of us, you know, Will

931
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 3: Bernie and he's a populous by nature. He respects those

932
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 3: who have built you could be Trump, he could build

933
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 3: you know, you could be really any kind of politicians

934
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 3: building huge amounts of support, because just something to learn

935
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 3: from that. Then through that those kinds of people, you

936
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: are getting a better access into what American public, what

937
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 3: does American public think and believe? And in that way,

938
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: it's sad to say that there aren't that many competitors

939
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 3: on this front of who is populist, who gets their

940
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: energy from people, who motivates and rallies large scales of people.

941
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 3: AOC is at the top of that list right now,

942
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 3: but there aren't that many beyond her, unless you want

943
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 3: to challenge that condition.

944
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I'm you know, look, I Will Rocanna

945
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: would like to be considered.

946
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 2: What you say, what do you make of him?

947
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: He's a very what you know about Row, he's very

948
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 3: strategic and smart thinker, and you know his Silicon Valley polis.

949
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: He lets the strategic thinking go get to public.

950
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 3: I don't know that that's a it's a flaw I

951
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 3: would put on him. I mean, you want people to

952
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 3: be them.

953
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: I like it, but I wonder if it plays like

954
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: if it looks like he's being too calculating at times.

955
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 3: I mean he is calculating.

956
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: He is a calculating person. That's who he is. He's

957
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 2: somebody is not right.

958
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: I mean it up front, he moved to Silicon Valley

959
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: simply because he thought it was better to represent that

960
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: world than suburban Philadelphia.

961
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 3: He's smart and I think you would add if you

962
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: were here, he's a strategic, smart thinking person. Like that's great.

963
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 3: And you know in this competitive environment you're saying, I

964
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 3: think in this you know, it's not the presidency, it's

965
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 3: not just a battle over width of intelligence. It is

966
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: really kind of who captures the emotions and the visceralness

967
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 3: of the feelings of American especially post Trump, where I

968
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: think we'll have once again this moment of sensing who who.

969
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 3: It's an entertainment industry as much as it is policy industry,

970
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 3: and it's who feels like they are representing understand my life.

971
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 3: And I think it's not just rows. A lot of

972
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: people struggle to say, how how am I going to

973
00:47:59,040 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 3: capture you emotionally?

974
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting.

975
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: Here'd be the I think a challenge that a sort

976
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: of Burnie protege might have in twenty eight is that

977
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: while there's a big demand for change, there's an exhaustion

978
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: from all the disruption Trump has caused. And I think

979
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: that's going to be a competing issue, right, You're going

980
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: to have I call it the divide is not left

981
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: versus center. It really is fight versus unite a little bit.

982
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that you know, when you

983
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: look at Biden, Biden benefited from the exhaustion wing of

984
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: the country and then he tried to govern as a

985
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: massive change agent and it didn't take. And I think

986
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: part of it is if you don't, if you start

987
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: governing different than your campaign, it doesn't matter whether.

988
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 2: You're closer to them or not. It's just it bothers people.

989
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: It's disruptive, like you know, you know, it is why

990
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: you know, why hasn't Trump been punished more for by

991
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: the voters.

992
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: Well, the voters kind of.

993
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: Knew he was always going to do certain things, so

994
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: there is an expectation. Biden set the expectations radically differently

995
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: as as a campaigner versus how he attempted to govern,

996
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: and I think that's why he ran into I think

997
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: in hindsight, that's why he ran into so many roadblocks,

998
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: because what I get from you is if you tell

999
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: people what you're going to do, you tell people you're

1000
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: going to be a disruptor, they're going to have more

1001
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: patience for you disrupting.

1002
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 3: And where I'm agreeing with you is that in that

1003
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 3: disruption argument, we need or want candidates who wrestle with

1004
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 3: coming in with an agenda and a plan on which

1005
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 3: is executable. That I think this project twenty twenty five,

1006
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: which obviously has now governed a lot of what Trump

1007
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 3: has done, and the fact that really came in with

1008
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 3: the qualifier doge and a lot of the desk.

1009
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: To learn from.

1010
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to learn from that one. Yeah. I mean,

1011
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 3: I could not stress this far, and I don't think

1012
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 3: enough thinking is being done on the left of center

1013
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 3: of given that you've got a reorientation if you were

1014
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 3: to walk into the presidency right now.

1015
00:49:58,600 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: It's what you know.

1016
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: It's interesting, it's what says She's trying to get cap

1017
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: to do is essentially be focused on if he can

1018
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: destroy an agency without congressional approval, Well, what can you

1019
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: do with agencies in other ways without congressional approval?

1020
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 3: We want to know. It comes more from Alena con

1021
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 3: Wing of our party, which is to say, here's a woman,

1022
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 3: the talented person of integrity, comes into the FTC and says,

1023
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 3: here's all these latent powers that many people didn't even

1024
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 3: know existed, didn't believe this agency should operate in the

1025
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: way that it is. I'm coming in to reinstill a

1026
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: sense of imagination and purpose and mission to this place

1027
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 3: more akin to what it was founded to be. And

1028
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 3: therefore one of our primary objectives is to look at

1029
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 3: corporate concentration problems. File lawsuits. Even when people in the

1030
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 3: bureaucracy might say, what, we haven't filed lawsuits like that before.

1031
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 3: Those would be very hard, those would be challenging. Those

1032
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 3: are traditionally not what we do. It's like, guess what

1033
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 3: new sheriff in town. We're going to file some lawsuits

1034
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 3: and we're putting ourselves on the front edge. Now, if

1035
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 3: you're going to come into government, you're going to own

1036
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 3: that we're going to do stuff here. We're going to

1037
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 3: have to shake up the way in which the corporate

1038
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 3: world is two stacked against the American public. And that

1039
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 3: is understood. So if you take that FTC approach authored

1040
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 3: by I think by Lena that WORL. Hitchopra at the

1041
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 3: CFPB was great and effective as well, and you apply

1042
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 3: that across the board. As part of agriculture, we need

1043
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 3: somebody who shakes that up. We need Center for Medicare

1044
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 3: and Medicaid Services shakes that up and said, what are

1045
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 3: the powers to have more rural hospitals in America. I'm

1046
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 3: not going to sit here and just navigate the bureaucracy

1047
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 3: and the rules as it were. I have some purpose

1048
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 3: and mission to some real concrete goals, and I'm going

1049
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 3: to use the authorities to come in and do it.

1050
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 3: That kind of thinking, I think has been more associated

1051
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 3: with the progressive wing because they believe in the sense

1052
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 3: of a mission and a purpose and disruption. To your

1053
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 3: point that like, we're going to tap these latent authorities

1054
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 3: and have a concrete goal, not just I think, you know,

1055
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: good people, the Sarah Bill Sack, all these kinds of

1056
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 3: folks who've lived in government for a long period of time,

1057
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 3: and you get the sense they come in and say,

1058
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 3: what is it that we all have agreed to do here? Okay,

1059
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 3: we'll just do what we've all agreed to do it.

1060
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: Like, no, it's a little bit of agency capture.

1061
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 3: Yes, So.

1062
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: Of the all the people that run around floating, you know,

1063
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: sort of that are auditioning right now to run for

1064
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: president Among the Democrats, who do.

1065
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: You pay attention to the most?

1066
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: Who are you like I'm curious how they were received

1067
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: with that message, or I'm intrigued by the message they're using,

1068
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: or I don't understand what they're up to.

1069
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: You know, I'll just start name names. Gavin Newsom.

1070
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 3: Obviously he's built the strongest small dollar fundraising network. I mean,

1071
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 3: if you if you start not only with the polls

1072
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 3: of him building his traction and support off of Trump Brown,

1073
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: I mean, in many ways, it's kind of become the

1074
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 3: clearest you know, you almost we have the visual in

1075
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 3: our head, the finger point right of Trump right off

1076
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 3: the tarback right, that's what the guy, yeah, right, He's

1077
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 3: built it and he's cultivated. I think what he has

1078
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 3: done more effectively than anybody so far is he's translated

1079
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 3: that into an actual political apperative, so they as he

1080
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 3: as he delivers.

1081
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 2: In George, do you know any policy proposal he's offering.

1082
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 3: I don't think he's really I mean, he's obviously doing

1083
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 3: the podcast circuits, which is yeah.

1084
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: That's my thing with him, and that's why I think

1085
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: it's a it's probably a sugar high well.

1086
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 3: By the way, on that right, he's stuck in the

1087
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 3: morassos where well, tax is probably one of the biggest

1088
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Speaker 3: fights of our age right now, one of the point

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Speaker 3: one of the biggest public If I go out anywhere

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Speaker 3: to any town hall, I don'kay put a bunch of

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00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 3: bag of people from me and I talked about taxing

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00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 3: the rich. I guarantee you I got a hell lot

1093
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 3: of support. And here he is in what in California,

1094
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 3: basically opposing well Texan, not figuring out exactly he's.

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00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: Probably eliminating himself from Democratic Party contention, and he doesn't

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Speaker 1: fully realize.

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Speaker 3: Employees out, but I imagine he's not, you know, not

1098
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Speaker 3: where the public is right now. AI too, by the way,

1099
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 3: you know, data centers also on the wrong side of

1100
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Speaker 3: that one. But not only him, I mean Shapiro Winmer.

1101
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 3: A lot of the governors have been stuck in these

1102
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 3: wrong I think, wrong positions on you know, cozying up

1103
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 3: to big tech BOLLI guards on Datisenter's Rob Emmanuel.

1104
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Speaker 1: You know, he's doing it differently than everybody else right now,

1105
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: which I find just I'm always interested in.

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00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 3: Different you know. And I was talking before about the

1107
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: sense that you have just politic better, and at least

1108
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 3: to his credit, he's like, I'll own that I'm just

1109
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 3: the politic better. I think the struggle that had to

1110
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 3: have with wrong right, you know, as well as here's

1111
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 3: the person been in politics for like twenty thirty years.

1112
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: I don't know how his baggage right. I think his

1113
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: resume is too long for what people are looking for today.

1114
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 3: Right to be on every side of various fight and

1115
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 3: draft have you. You and I could go every text.

1116
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: You would be able to, you would be able to knit,

1117
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: you could pick a thousand knits in a Democratic primary,

1118
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: and he would be death by a thousand cuts. And

1119
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: yet what he's doing on the education issue is I

1120
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: think something that and he's been right, he came on

1121
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: this podcast and said, you know, I don't know why

1122
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party stopped talking about education. And He's right,

1123
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: as a national issue, the Democrats have kind of surrendered this.

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00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 3: Issue a great yes, so you and I'll challenge.

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Speaker 2: I think it's why Latinos. I think it's why Latinos had.

1126
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: Been flirting with the Republicans, because the one thing Republicans

1127
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: do on a state level is they talk about education. Now,

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00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: they don't want they want to gut public education. But

1129
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a Latino voter, you care about education.

1130
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: One party is talking about giving you an opportunity to

1131
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: do something different.

1132
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 2: The other party's saying nothing right.

1133
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 3: So what I love about him, and I appreciate this,

1134
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 3: is that he is willing to throw ideas into the bay.

1135
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 3: Mix it up. Let me just say that's on education.

1136
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 3: What I what I worry about is obviously, you could

1137
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 3: get phones out of schools, that's easy, but you got

1138
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 3: to take on the power a big tech. That's a

1139
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 3: funmentally different question. I think related to this is all

1140
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 3: throw an idea. You know, I'm a pro labor guy,

1141
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 3: and I still believe that we should have year round

1142
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 3: schooling in America. Which I'm not sure where the you

1143
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 3: know where our teachers unions might feel about it. But

1144
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 3: we should have year round schooling and that that's something.

1145
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: So that would be enormously popular. And I have no

1146
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 2: idea why some of this.

1147
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 3: It should be built around trades, food, finance. We should

1148
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 3: teach kids how to cook those imagine summer programs that

1149
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 3: more built not edu caring you.

1150
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: For life skills, a summer of life skills. But it's

1151
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: mandatory education. Nobody says you have to go to the

1152
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: same school. Maybe a camp offers it. Maybe it's a form.

1153
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: Look what you're getting to. I love this idea because

1154
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: what it gets me closer to is national mandatory national service.

1155
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Speaker 3: And so now I'm one hundred. We'll stay with that one.

1156
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 3: So I think of the ideas I think to put

1157
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Speaker 3: on the agenda for twenty twenty. I hope there's Democrat

1158
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 3: candidates who sense that having scenes around them done, you

1159
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 3: execute a thirty dollars hour snow shoveling job in a crisis.

1160
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 3: We need to take that kernel of an idea and

1161
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 3: expand this nation wide. We need to put we need

1162
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 3: to make political economy judgments for this nation of the

1163
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 3: areas that we need service workers and other kinds of

1164
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 3: trade workers to work in that we do not have

1165
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: sufficient numbers of people working in whether dentist, doctors, nurses, teachers,

1166
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Speaker 3: whatever the case might be. We need more of these. I,

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Speaker 3: as President of United Station, prepared to make that determination

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Speaker 3: and set wages and benefits such that you can go

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00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,479
Speaker 3: and do public service for two three years to help

1170
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Speaker 3: our nation to do elder care. I will make sure

1171
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Speaker 3: you get paid eighty thousand dollars seventy thousand dollars with

1172
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Speaker 3: benefits to go and do this because the nation calls

1173
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 3: you right now. I am hungry for that kind of

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Speaker 3: a vision.

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Speaker 1: I think if you did a mandatory national service that

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00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: was bigger than this. Is not about the military draft,

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Speaker 1: you know this is different.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a version of it. Domestically. It's saying that,

1179
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 3: unlike a military, we mobilize people in service, which you

1180
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Speaker 3: know is I'll confuse people on my views on ICE,

1181
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 3: but I do then to think a lot of people

1182
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 3: who sign up for ICBP right now see a fifty

1183
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 3: thousand dollars bonus are motivated not only financially but also

1184
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Speaker 3: a sense of purpose and mission. I got federal job

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Speaker 3: protecting your Now I want to go after this vast

1186
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 3: majority of them say, Hey, what if I give you

1187
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Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars to be a school teacher in eighth

1188
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 3: grade or do the summer school that we're just talking about.

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Speaker 3: Would you do that instead? Would you help be a

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Speaker 3: young male mentor for so many young men who need it?

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Speaker 3: I think they would be there for it.

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Speaker 1: Under Yeah, let's talk a little geographic tactics. If you

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Speaker 1: could pick the ideal first four states to start the

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Speaker 1: democratic primary process?

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Speaker 3: I got my first. That's easy, right? Where am I going? First?

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Speaker 2: What are you? Is your four? What do you think

1197
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: that should be the right test?

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Speaker 3: At one hundred percent? So that that's Nevada to.

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Speaker 2: Start in Nevada. First person? Are you on the DNC?

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Speaker 3: Did you get I'm removed?

1201
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, removed? Congrats.

1202
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 3: I guess the Eurosy has got a different order. But

1203
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 3: I understood and I was comfortable with it, to be clear,

1204
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 3: I'm just not me upset about it.

1205
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,959
Speaker 2: So I but look, you come for the king best

1206
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 2: not miss hey.

1207
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Speaker 3: They do will be a service of not needing to

1208
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 3: be off. Then well, I think that I would love

1209
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 3: Nevadi go first. There's a lots of reasons. You know,

1210
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 3: I'm an old free guy, and I think there's a

1211
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 3: lot of things about that state that that service it well.

1212
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 3: And in terms of a primary the compressed geography is

1213
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 3: he've able to meet and talk to people one to one,

1214
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 3: do TV ads and such that don't blow the budget.

1215
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Speaker 3: So I think that that makes sense.

1216
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Speaker 2: For one.

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Speaker 3: I love you're.

1218
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Speaker 2: Not concerned that Vegas is too big of a market now, No, I.

1219
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 3: Think it's got a lot of working class people, culinary

1220
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 3: you know this. I mean, I love that the labor

1221
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 3: approach of that city is one that would orient Democrats

1222
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 3: and figuring out how to talk about labor again. I mean,

1223
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 3: we don't go through the dough tax on tips. But

1224
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 3: Trump was very loud and proudly about the fact that

1225
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 3: that state and those workers in that state have guided

1226
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 3: him to one of his more popular proposals. You know,

1227
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Speaker 3: So I want that time for the Democratic Party Michigan. I

1228
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 3: would move, you know, I would take either the top four.

1229
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Speaker 2: That's a big state to put in the top four.

1230
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 3: Yeah it is, but it's such a again because.

1231
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: Always worry about the big states just favoring the money candidates.

1232
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Speaker 3: That's all. Yeah, No, that's fair to where it's in

1233
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 3: the first four. It is an open question here. I like,

1234
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 3: I probably put Georgia over North Carolina, but between Georgia

1235
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 3: and North Carolina for me on one of those, uh,

1236
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 3: and then and then we got a TVD here on

1237
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 3: what we want us the fourth.

1238
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Speaker 2: Well, I here's the here'd be.

1239
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Speaker 1: My concern about your map, and and what I've been

1240
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: obsessed with is that I do think what Iowa did

1241
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: do for the Democratic Party for a long time is

1242
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: that it got it forced Democrats to talk to world

1243
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: voters right and to go out and it's you know,

1244
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: and look, I understand there's this scar tissue.

1245
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 2: From Iowa and.

1246
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,439
Speaker 1: For for the you know, two times in a row

1247
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: it's not clear who won and and and you know

1248
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: that's you want to be our first in the nation,

1249
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: and you can't tell us who won twice now, right.

1250
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: So I understand that aspect. But there's also a party

1251
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: building aspect.

1252
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:56,919
Speaker 2: Right.

1253
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: So if you make Kansas or Nebraska, which could easily both,

1254
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: you know, I could make the case for both of

1255
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,959
Speaker 1: them as an Iowa like replacement. You also might start

1256
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: organizing a state and turning it and turning a state

1257
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: that's light red at the moment to a swing state.

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01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. Unfortunately, that isn't the story of Iowa as we know.

1259
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: No, but once it was there, it was I mean

1260
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: which case I think, Look, Iowa, New Hampshire are there

1261
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: are two states that demographically don't belong in the battleground,

1262
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: and they were in the battleground a long time. And

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01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: I think it's simply because they were first in the

1264
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: nation states, meaning that voters, I think voters, this is

1265
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: where we underestimate voters. If you treat voters like swing voters,

1266
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: they'll behave like swing voters. And if you treat them

1267
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: like you know, partisan voters, they'll behave like partisan voters sometimes.

1268
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Speaker 3: Right, I'll give you a crazy idea that I've long

1269
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 3: had about this out, which was along those lines, was

1270
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 3: to look at highest democratic performance of every state and

1271
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 3: line them up by which state parlies. In other words,

1272
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 3: we're doing a great job cycle after cycle of making

1273
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 3: sure that that's almost.

1274
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: Like a reverse lottery, right, Like you you earn you

1275
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: want first in the nation be the best democratic performing stage.

1276
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 3: You have a spot for them essentially, Like you know,

1277
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 3: I'm not a huge soccer fan, but be from what

1278
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 3: I understand, you know you have like the you know,

1279
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 3: the second tier, the.

1280
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: Good stuffy exactly you want to be in the first

1281
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: tranche of primaries where you'll get a lot of candidates

1282
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: and a lot of money, a lot of extra resources,

1283
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: or do you want to be in the second trants

1284
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: of primaries or it might be a coronation by the

1285
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: time your your statement.

1286
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 3: Thanks for only challenge with my line of thinking there

1287
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 3: is that sometimes sometimes the smaller states benefit because.

1288
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 2: Every month in Delaware could both benefit.

1289
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 3: I'm sure right exactly, so I do though think to

1290
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Speaker 3: your part, I mean, it's making your argument here how

1291
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 3: and why you could have a recipe to do that.

1292
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 3: It's okay, a smaller state that will overperform getting democratic

1293
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 3: vote out and we'll have earned a spot in the

1294
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 3: first four by virtue of that. And I think it's

1295
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 3: not a bad thing to everything that you just say.

1296
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 3: It's probably more you know, probably rule tendencies and now

1297
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 3: you're rewarding states to say, show me that you are

1298
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 3: going to turn democratic orders out on YouTube and find

1299
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 3: yourself in the top. At least have a metric and

1300
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 3: guide for a.

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Speaker 2: How that's where?

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Speaker 1: Or how about Kansas sixteen sixteen years of Democratic governors

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Speaker 1: in the last twenty four yet they get treated like,

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Speaker 1: you know, as if that's not an accomplishment worth noting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, But on this though, the the thing I'm

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Speaker 3: trying to express is not just that Democrats have held offices,

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Speaker 3: is that we're building our ranks. I want to see

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Speaker 3: and reward those in the state parties who are who

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Speaker 3: are doing an aggressive job of building the people. And

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Speaker 3: right now that that was my number one critique of

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Speaker 3: a democratic natural committee of architecture is that that is

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Speaker 3: not one thing that we measure or assess or reward.

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Speaker 3: If you're going to give money out to state parties,

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Speaker 3: do it with some metrics or goals in mind, and say, hey,

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Speaker 3: you know, you will earn this money by showing me

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Speaker 3: that people within your ranks have grown, How have they grown,

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Speaker 3: what volunteer capacities have you done? How will you earn

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Speaker 3: these dollars not just a new dolling amount.

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Speaker 1: Well, but let's fast forward to the twenty thirty two

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Speaker 1: problem for Democrats, which is, right, the Kamala Harris map

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, if she carries Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan,

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Speaker 1: she has two hundred and seventy electoral votes in twenty

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Speaker 1: thirty two, that same group of states, it's worth two

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty nine.

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Speaker 2: So where do you invest?

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Speaker 1: Look, I understand rewarding those states, but you've I think

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Speaker 1: the Democrats have to put more states in play. They

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Speaker 1: have to start looking for And to me, Kansas is

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Speaker 1: just ripe. I just I view, Kansas is really ripe

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Speaker 1: on this issue more than any other state in this

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Speaker 1: sort of mid mid in the middle part of the country.

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Speaker 1: And then there's the question of Texas and Florida. Right,

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Speaker 1: they're big giant pots of money suck. But if you

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Speaker 1: put them in play, you really screw up the strategy

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Speaker 1: of the Republicans, right because they they count on those

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Speaker 1: two states. So how would you be how would you

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Speaker 1: be thinking about twenty thirty two if you were sitting

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Speaker 1: at the DNC right now.

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Speaker 3: But do you got to find somewhere in the Sun

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Speaker 3: Belt to invest in? I mean Georgia obviously we're talking.

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Speaker 1: Imagine if they hadn't done Georgia, right, and you know Georgia,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina nour must wins.

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Speaker 2: They're not nice to have anymore.

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Speaker 3: And how to my mind, you can't lose the SEC

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Speaker 3: this year after it's like, that doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Which ones would you go to? I haven't been intrigued.

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Speaker 1: My favorite ones to look at that I think are

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Speaker 1: organizable probably the way I would begin obviously, look, we'll

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Speaker 1: see what Texas does. You know, winning is a big deal,

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Speaker 1: right if Tyllerica wins.

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Speaker 3: Winning is a big deal.

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Speaker 2: But over that does bring dollars to the state party.

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Speaker 2: I was reading.

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Speaker 1: I was doing the history of Texas campaigns weeks ago

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Speaker 1: and the John Tower victory in nineteen sixty one when

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Speaker 1: Republicans broke through the first time in sensory reconstruction. It

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Speaker 1: said like that was the first That following year is

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Speaker 1: the first time the national Republicans had ever written a

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Speaker 1: check to the state Republicans in Texas. Right, like it opened,

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Speaker 1: it does open the mind. Coming close doesn't always do that. Actually,

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Speaker 1: winning does it? So I see the path there. I

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Speaker 1: look at a Mississippi, which is to me, when you

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Speaker 1: look at it, if you, if you if you created

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Speaker 1: a statistic like baseball does with win above replacement, when

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Speaker 1: you look at the cost of investing versus the potential

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Speaker 1: for return, Mississippi is the best value on the board.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and how do you think of that as different

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Speaker 3: from Alabama as compared we obviously Doug Jones was you know,

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Speaker 3: center obviously in a bit of a fluid situation, but

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Speaker 3: nevertheless we did it.

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Speaker 1: African American voters in Mississippi, Mississippi. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: disagree that. I think, look if if you succeed in

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Speaker 1: Mississippi and Alabama surrounded right Georgia on one side, Mississippi

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Speaker 1: and the.

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Speaker 2: Other, and then you'll find out. I think Alabama is

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Speaker 2: just a little bit different.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, probably I've been intrigued by more of the

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Speaker 3: labor activity in the state. Obviously, you know U A W. D.

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Speaker 3: Donham Mercedes organizing campaign. There's Amazon warehouse organizing in Alabama.

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Speaker 3: That was United mind workers who have been fighting.

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Speaker 1: Shipbuilders down a mobile. I mean, there's definitely some I think.

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Speaker 3: The labor base starts and it leads to a candidate too.

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Speaker 3: So we're talking, we're talking about candidate. It's intrigued by

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Speaker 3: you know, Holly Schaffner I think is her name, Who's

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Speaker 3: who's running against Tom Cotton the cycle in Arkansas. I mean,

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Speaker 3: obviously very very uphill fight. But I love a lover bio,

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Speaker 3: which is a work farmer who you know who's standing

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Speaker 3: with the farm workers in the very economic minded argument,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like that that. I like for Arkansas, that's

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Speaker 3: a good that's a good candidate, But I'd like to

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Speaker 3: see it for Alabama, for Mississippi putting forward those kinds

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Speaker 3: of working class candidates that represent what I think are

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Speaker 3: a lot of Democratic voters by history. I mean, we

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Speaker 3: know these about West Virginia's and these kinds of states

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Speaker 3: that if you're going back to lineage, they'd been Democratic voters,

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Speaker 3: but they just feel the demacaty parties left down.

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Speaker 2: Let me get you out of here.

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Speaker 1: I realized we're just going over now, and I don't

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Speaker 1: mean to do that to you. Let me get you

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Speaker 1: out of here on this, did you have a big

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Speaker 1: preference between Tall Rico and Crockett? What did you make

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Speaker 1: of that primary campaign?

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Speaker 2: I could just tell you.

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Speaker 1: I say this not just as a as a guy

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Speaker 1: who just enjoys a good campaign, but I felt like

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Speaker 1: I felt like I didn't want that campaign to end yet.

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Speaker 1: I wanted a couple more weeks. And it wasn't just

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Speaker 1: because it was fun. I actually think they didn't debate enough.

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Speaker 1: I wanted a little bit more of this debate. There

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Speaker 1: was a stylistic debate, yes, but there was some issues

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Speaker 1: that were getting lost, right, Like, you know, tall Rico

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Speaker 1: is moderate and temperament progressive in his in his belief system.

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Speaker 1: I think Crockett is, you know, a fighter obviously, but

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01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 1: not you know, not necessity probably would probably a little

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01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 1: bit to the right of Tallerrico, but I.

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Speaker 3: Think so, Yeah, Teller in many ways, in my view

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01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 3: at least, was embodying a lot of a Bernie kind

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Speaker 3: of argument with a different type of tone.

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Speaker 2: Inside, putting it with a religious tone, which is right,

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Speaker 2: Bernie's never gone down the religious defy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I think I think I was very

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Speaker 3: pleased to see that kind I mean, I did feel like,

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01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 3: here's a guy who's campaigning on a version of what

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01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 3: I could imagine centaor Sanders doing in Texas.

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01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 1: And trying to sell Bernie to a different group of voters.

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Speaker 1: Is what I would have at it?

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Speaker 2: Is that fair exactly?

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01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 3: Yes, And he's talked to about his respect admiration for

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01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 3: center Sanders. So I think that I was there with

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Speaker 3: with Crockett obviously having gotten Commas endorsement, it felt much

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Speaker 3: more around a reflexive anti Trump type of campaign which

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Speaker 3: does meet a lot of voters where they're at of

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01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 3: you know, give me that fight in a sense of

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01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 3: swagger and a comfort in the in the kind of

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01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 3: I am compared to not play by rules with this guy,

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01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 3: you know, And there's some appeal to them, for sure.

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01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,440
Speaker 3: We can't discount that. But if you're looking for agenda

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01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,879
Speaker 3: of who is thinking economic first, of a fight against

1439
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 3: a wealthy oliguards taking out corporate greed and corporate power,

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Speaker 3: that was Tallerico, and I think it's one of the

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01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 3: reasons that he was able to build a You look

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Speaker 3: at the Latinos and why working classly when we think

1443
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 3: of Latinos, they're working class Latinos, right, people making one

1444
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 3: hundred three thousand dollars, often working and holding a job,

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01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 3: and not with a college degree. Those folks moving back

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01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 3: in democratic ten I think motivated by that kind of

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01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 3: an appeal and to your point of value orientation around

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Speaker 3: the religion as well.

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Speaker 1: He wins a Texas Center race or we are we

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01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,520
Speaker 1: ridiculous to think of him as a presidential contender automatic.

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Speaker 3: No doubt, I mean that given the where it's at

1452
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 3: right now, I think both Tellerico and if you know,

1453
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 3: who knows what happens in Maine with Platner, But you

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01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 3: have these two candidates are.

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01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 2: Pretty charismatic and pretty they've got outsized personalities, and you.

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Speaker 3: Could I mean, obviously we'll have to know who the

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01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 3: governor is to get on succession problems and all that.

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01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 3: But the in the Texas houses problem right clearly, but I.

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Speaker 2: Think you'd take that problem. You know, the only way

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Speaker 2: that happens is if he actually won the presidency.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, yeah, right right, But I do think that,

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01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 3: you know, it would be very compelling. And you remember

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Speaker 3: the Obama story well, but it was probably too he

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01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 3: was the incentive for two years at least. These these

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Speaker 3: folks would lily be in the Senate for immediately.

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Speaker 1: No Right always asked me who's going to be the

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Speaker 1: Democratic nominee, and I'm like, well, none of the people

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Speaker 1: you're talking about, And I said, I just sort of

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Speaker 1: know that I kind of know Democrats. They usually want

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Speaker 1: the newest, hottest flavor, and that could be Molly McMorrow,

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Speaker 1: that could be James tall Rico, that could be Dan Osborne.

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Speaker 1: You know, I say this, and I'm like, you know,

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Speaker 1: none of us saw Pete Bootage as aider.

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Speaker 3: I think you mentioned this earlier on independent side, which

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Speaker 3: is true that had somebody running as a third party

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Speaker 3: could definitely do very well in twenty twenty eight and

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Speaker 3: be a concern or issue here. But within the Democratic

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Speaker 3: Party ranks that outsider, I think, which.

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Speaker 1: There's an outsider lane, yeah, yeah, And right now I

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Speaker 1: don't see there's there's no governor that's even you know,

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Speaker 1: Andy Basher. I think some people thought was going to

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Speaker 1: do this, and he seems to be trying. I think

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01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 1: he's at risk of losing what made him different, that

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01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,799
Speaker 1: he's almost becoming part of the of the leadership structure

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Speaker 1: of the party DGA and stuff.

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Speaker 3: Some people don't remember Steve Bullock ran for president and

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01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,799
Speaker 3: when you look at the bullet, you know, the resume

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01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 3: matches like it looks nice and there's a good kind

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Speaker 3: of theoretical appeal about it. And then as you know,

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01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 3: you're in a presidential politics butter in a frying pan.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a very different beast and you have

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01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 3: to be kind of a lot of different things that

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Speaker 3: you don't have to be as governor.

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Speaker 1: I just can't imagine Bernie's going to sit on the

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Speaker 1: sidelines fast this is going to once.

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Speaker 3: You have an idea, Russ, let us know, check who

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Speaker 3: should we be getting behind?

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Speaker 1: And I mean, no, that's the thing, like I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, why shouldn't I assume Bernie gets in.

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Speaker 3: Oh for the reasons that you would, I.

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Speaker 2: Know why he shouldn't. But I just know it takes

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01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 2: to be Yah still the most popular politician in America.

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Speaker 3: Until they come out with the anti aging pill, which

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01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 3: please you know looking for at pharma, you know, bring

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Speaker 3: it out, but until.

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Speaker 2: Big Farma could do right.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Big farm has been hiding that pill

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Speaker 1: for fear that Berdie gets elected.

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Speaker 3: to well over three million subscribers, are getting over two

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Speaker 3: hundred million views a month, and we're like, we're rocking

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Speaker 3: and rolling. So please be among those who are helping

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Speaker 3: us grow independent means.

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Speaker 2: And take one percent of those those liking subscribes. There.

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Speaker 1: That's a pretty impressive, impressive movement. You got going there fast.

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Speaker 1: It's great to catch up,