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Speaker 3: Welcome to Breaking Points, Crystal, thanks so much for jumping

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Speaker 3: in for Ryan this morning.

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Speaker 4: He is in Dublin, my pleasure. Where else would he be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's doing some interesting things there too. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if we can reveal yet, but there will be

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Speaker 2: more news on that later.

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Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely so.

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Speaker 3: We have a show that is I regret to inform

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Speaker 3: everyone front loaded with more Epstein news because the Trump

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Speaker 3: administration continues to flail and MAGA continue used to be

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Speaker 3: divided over the Epstein question. So we have more comments

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Speaker 3: from the President to get to more comments from members

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Speaker 3: of Congress, including the Speaker of the House, to get

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Speaker 3: to and people sort of on the outside Magas supporters

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Speaker 3: on the outside who are having a tough time with

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Speaker 3: this one. And Crystal new inflation numbers were out yesterday,

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Speaker 3: some debate over whether they were good or bad for

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Speaker 3: the administration politically, and whether they were good or bad

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Speaker 3: for the American people substantively. That we will get to

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Speaker 3: the most oppressing article that I have read in quite

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Speaker 3: a while, Crystal, on why first time home ownership in

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Speaker 3: the US is at a record low. We're going to

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Speaker 3: break down some of that, along with about a viral

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Speaker 3: clip from Tucker Carlson that sort of spoke to exactly

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Speaker 3: this from the Turning Point USA summit. And of course,

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Speaker 3: the Pentagon is now in business with Grock did you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what you expected, Mecca Mecha Hitler has taken

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Speaker 2: the Pentagon. That's what's happening here apparently, But actually.

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Speaker 4: This is a real story.

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Speaker 3: The Pentagon has signed a contract with Xai to use

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Speaker 3: grac for government. So we have all of the details

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Speaker 3: on that story, and we are very excited. We've been

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Speaker 3: trying for days to get in the Superman block. You

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Speaker 3: can see that on the bottom of your screen. Because

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Speaker 3: Producer Griffin and Crystal have just so very many thoughts.

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Speaker 4: Ben Shapiro's thoughts too.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, as says Ben Shapiro, his

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Speaker 2: all of that. Yeah, well, you know, when I see

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Speaker 2: So that should be fun.

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Speaker 3: And we do always think of Producer Griffin as like

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Speaker 2: The parallels are striking on every level.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's incredibly similar. People are around.

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Speaker 3: it so much. And let's start with the president himself

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Speaker 3: weighing in more on the case of Jeffrey Epstein. Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump kept getting questions, of course because there's so much

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Speaker 3: confusion radiating forth from his administration, partially why these questions

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Speaker 4: So let's roll a one. This is Trump asking answering

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Speaker 5: Just yesterday, She's given us just a very quick briefing,

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Speaker 5: and in terms of the credibility of the different things

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Speaker 5: these files were made up by Komi, they were made

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Speaker 5: up by Obama, they were made up by the Biden.

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Speaker 5: It from you know, and we went through years of

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Speaker 5: and it's going to be up to her. Whatever she

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Speaker 6: He's dead for a long time. He was never a

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Speaker 4: I really don't.

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Speaker 6: And the credible information has been given. Don't forget. We

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Speaker 6: went through years of the Muller witch.

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Speaker 5: Hunt and all of.

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Speaker 6: The different things, the Steal dossier, which was all fake,

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Speaker 6: All that information was fake. But I don't understand why

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Speaker 6: the Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody.

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Speaker 6: It's pretty boring stuff. It's sorted, but it's boring, and

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Speaker 6: I don't understand why it keeps going. I think, well, really,

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Speaker 6: only pretty bad people, including fake news, want to keep

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Speaker 6: something like that going. But credible information, let them give it.

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Speaker 6: Anything that's credible, I would say, let them have it.

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Speaker 4: All right. So I'm actually going to respond to that.

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Speaker 3: Clip with a reaction from Ann Coulter, who said, ex ante,

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Speaker 3: I say Trump did not rape underage girls, but when

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Speaker 3: quotes Trump saying Epstein files were written by Obama Cricket,

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Speaker 3: Hillary Comy Brennan, the losers and criminals of the Biden administration.

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Speaker 3: Culter then responds, everything we know about Epstein's teen sex

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Speaker 3: ring comes from the Palm Beach police and the girls themselves.

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Speaker 3: DEM's ferociously protected Epstein, a major DEM donor.

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Speaker 4: But Crystal, that is true.

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Speaker 3: Everything we know about Epstein, for the most part, is

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Speaker 3: coming from the Palm Beach, the local Palm Beach police, and.

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Speaker 4: The girls themselves.

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Speaker 3: We have gotten trickles of information that are frustratingly limited

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Speaker 3: saw I don't know if you saw this as well,

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Speaker 3: whether or not it's true, Several people have said that

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Speaker 3: the files on Epstein were left in such a way

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Speaker 3: that pointed right at Donald Trump, which could mean a

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Speaker 3: lot of things. It could mean funny business going on.

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Speaker 3: It can mean that there's there there when it comes

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Speaker 3: just opened up an entirely new chapter in Trump's response

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Speaker 3: to the the Epstein chaos of Pam Bondi's DOJ which

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's so much to say about those

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Speaker 2: no one is buying the Obama wrote the Epstein files

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Speaker 2: line is just utterly preposterous. Number Two, Now he's calling

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Speaker 2: his own supporters bad people for caring about an elite

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Speaker 2: sex crimes ring against young girls with potential intel tie in,

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Speaker 2: and you know, implicating any number potentially of powerful figures

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Speaker 2: say is that that is boring and can't understand why

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Speaker 2: that is interesting to anyone. Number Three, the optics there

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Speaker 2: of that second clip where you know, he's saying, Oh,

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Speaker 2: care about this. You got Howard Lutnick standing there, who

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Speaker 2: Lo and Behold actually purchased one of Jeffrey Epstein's properties

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Speaker 2: in Manhattan, was his longtime neighbor, So you know, just

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Speaker 2: optically not the best there. He's sort of like chuckling

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Speaker 2: I mean, Okham's razor is that he's reacting in this frenetic,

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Speaker 2: he's doing the polar opposite of making this away go

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Speaker 2: like that is the very obvious conclusion the number of

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Speaker 2: people soccer included, by the way, who have said, you know,

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Speaker 2: I didn't really think there was there there in terms

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Speaker 2: and now it's like, I don't know. And then you

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Speaker 2: Now that went away. Maybe it's because there was nothing

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Speaker 2: But you got Epstein saying that they were besties for

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Speaker 2: infamous quote saying, hey, we were good friends for fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: And hey, he likes him young. He loves beautiful women,

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Speaker 2: maybe as much as me I do, and many of

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Speaker 2: all preposterous to say, what the hell is going on here?

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Speaker 2: And as we discussed yesterday, you know, to be perfectly

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Speaker 2: interest in knowing whether Massad has hedo blackmail material on

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Speaker 2: this is going away. The other thing I've been thinking

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Speaker 2: about is you know, Trump likes these sort of like

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Speaker 2: to sort of force them into situations that are like embarrassing,

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Speaker 2: go against things that they previously said. So a couple

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Speaker 2: of examples, you had RFK Junior eating the McDonald's on

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Speaker 2: like how far can I go in like directly attacking

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Speaker 2: you and gaslighting you that this isn't something that I

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Speaker 2: It feels like a test of the base of like

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Speaker 2: how far can I go? Can I really shoot someone

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Speaker 2: on Fifth Avenue and you idiots are still going to

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Speaker 2: stick with me? That's kind of the vibe that I

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Speaker 4: That's a really yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a really interesting take because there's something

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Speaker 3: I mean, also, Trump Pambondi have known each other. That

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Speaker 3: long time. So I wonder also if I mean, obviously

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Speaker 3: his original plan was to put Matt Gates in that role.

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Speaker 3: I don't think any of us are buying the like

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Speaker 4: Into that role.

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Speaker 3: But I think he also just seems to trust that

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Speaker 3: she's protecting, like because the way she's doubled and tripled down,

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Speaker 3: it's it is kind of humiliating, of course for someone

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Speaker 3: but it is it's also her demonstrating loyalty over and

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Speaker 2: Well in Bongino and Cash too. I mean, the reports

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Speaker 2: like if they'll do this, they will they will do anything.

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Speaker 9: I'm not an attorney. I just find them guilty and

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Speaker 4: Crystal, that was a good one. Just hang them, somebody said.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know, shortly after thereafter votes against

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Speaker 10: in a way that will satisfy the publics both curiosity

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Speaker 10: and legitimate demand to know what happened.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So Republicans control the House and the Senate and

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Speaker 3: of course the Presidency as well, so ball is in

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Speaker 3: their court. It's in the court of Republican leadership to

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Speaker 3: make some of this happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's some interesting things going on with Gallaine

443
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Speaker 2: Maxwell right at this point, because she had an appeal

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Speaker 2: all the way up to the Supreme Court that had

445
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Speaker 2: gotten sort of pushed off till now where the government

446
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Speaker 2: had to respond to how they were handling this appeal.

447
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Speaker 2: And basically, I mean, it's like, like, this woman is

448
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Speaker 2: a horrifying sex criminal and implicated in every way in

449
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Speaker 2: this web of you know, like a pyramid scheme of

450
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Speaker 2: pedophilia and molestation. She should justifiably to spend the rest

451
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Speaker 2: of her life in prison. But what she's saying is, hey,

452
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Speaker 2: you guys, the government made this sweetheart deal with Jeffrey

453
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Speaker 2: Epstein down in Florida under Alex Acosta, who of course

454
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Speaker 2: ends up being Trump's labor secretary. Part of that deal

455
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Speaker 2: was that all of the co conspirators of Jeffrey Epstein

456
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Speaker 2: are off the hook forever. And I was one of

457
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Speaker 2: those co conspirators. So how can you really prosecute me?

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Speaker 2: How can you throw me in prison when you guys

459
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Speaker 2: agreed to this deal that said anyone who was affiliated

460
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Speaker 2: with that Stein and implicated in these crimes was off

461
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Speaker 2: the hook. So that's the appeal that she's making the

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Speaker 2: Supreme courtive. We got an interesting statement from her family

463
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Speaker 2: that we can put up on the screen here. They say,

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Speaker 2: our sister Glaine did not receive a fair trial. Her

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Speaker 2: legal team continues to fight her case in the courts

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Speaker 2: and will file its reply in short order the government's

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Speaker 2: opposition in the US Supreme Court if necessary. In due course,

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Speaker 2: they'll also file a writ of habeas corpus in the U.

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Speaker 2: S District Court SDN. Why This allows her to challenge

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Speaker 2: her imprisonment on the basis of new evidence, such as

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Speaker 2: government misconduct that would have likely changed the trial's outcome.

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Speaker 2: Following the government's response, David Oscar Marcus, Council of Record

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Speaker 2: for our sister and her petition of the US Supreme Court,

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Speaker 2: had this comment quote, I'd be surprised if President Trump

475
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Speaker 2: knew his lawyers were asked in the Supreme Court to

476
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Speaker 2: let the government break a deal. And this is in

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Speaker 2: reference to that sweetheart deal that alex acostamide. He's the

478
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Speaker 2: ultimate deal maker, and I'm sure he'd agree that when

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Speaker 2: the US gives its word, it should keep it. With

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Speaker 2: all the talk about who's being prosecuted and who isn't,

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Speaker 2: it's especially unfair that Gleainne Maxwell remains in prison based

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Speaker 2: on a prompt the US government made and broke. These

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Speaker 2: are sentiments, the family says, with which we profoundly concur

484
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Speaker 2: so a sort of direct appeal there to Trump himself, who,

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Speaker 2: of course, we played you know, some of the footage

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Speaker 2: from yesterday. Whenever he's gotten asked about Glaide Maxwell and

487
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Speaker 2: what he wants to happen for her trial, for her

488
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Speaker 2: being in prison, he always says, well, I wish her well.

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Speaker 2: And we also have you know reporting that allegedly he

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Speaker 2: was considering a pardon for her because he was concerned

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Speaker 2: about what potential information she may have.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a really interesting development because if she

493
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Speaker 3: can successfully make this case and people have questions I

494
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Speaker 3: think rightfully about the way her trial was conducted, not

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Speaker 3: because it was too harsh on Gallaide Maxwell and too

496
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Speaker 3: focused on locking her up, but rather than the other directions.

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Speaker 3: So either way, if she's able to get this taken seriously,

498
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Speaker 3: that this opens up a lot. And it actually comports

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Speaker 3: with the story in The Daily Mail that we covered

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Speaker 3: earlier this week Crystal about how Glaine Maxwell is telegraphing

501
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Speaker 3: through an anonymous source to the Daily Mail that she

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Speaker 3: would be willing to talk. Again, you have to take

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Speaker 3: it with a giant grain of salt, but it seems

504
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Speaker 3: more and more like this is actually plausible that we

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Speaker 3: would start to hear directly from her.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if she does have some damaging information

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Speaker 2: about the president, it's an intelligent chess move because if

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Speaker 2: she's she's obviously looking to posture to try to get

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Speaker 2: that pardon from Trump. And so this is sort of

511
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Speaker 2: the threat of hey, I could I could testify to

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Speaker 2: Congress and you know, right now, sure Republicans have control

513
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Speaker 2: of the House in the Senate, but very very I

514
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Speaker 2: would say, likely after the midterms, Democrats are going to

515
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Speaker 2: at least have control of the House. So you know,

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Speaker 2: that opens up a whole other world of possibilities. And

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Speaker 2: so I think there's some you know, some some tactical

518
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Speaker 2: chess playing going on here from the Glaine Maxwell side.

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Speaker 2: And the last thing I'll say about this, this is

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Speaker 2: just underscores how absolutely absurdly, outrageously disgusting that sweetheart deal

521
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Speaker 2: was that it would even be theoretically possible that this

522
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Speaker 2: woman could get off the hook because of this deal

523
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Speaker 2: that was made. And just so people recall, I mean,

524
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Speaker 2: Epstein got a slap on the wrist, you know it

525
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Speaker 2: was the charges were pretty minor charges. He served a

526
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Speaker 2: sentence out being able to leave on quote unquote work

527
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Speaker 2: release for twelve hours a day where he was able

528
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Speaker 2: to go and do whatever he wanted. I think he

529
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Speaker 2: served about thirteen months on that cushy work release situation

530
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Speaker 2: where his cell door was open, he had a TV,

531
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Speaker 2: he could come and go, and then after thirteen months

532
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Speaker 2: he just was out. I mean, he reporting suggests that

533
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Speaker 2: even though he was supposed to be just in his

534
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Speaker 2: house like under you know, home confinement, he was traveling

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Speaker 2: the world and right back to doing everything that he

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Speaker 2: wanted to do. And when the law enforcement like maybe

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Speaker 2: that I'm not sure if it was the FBI. I

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Speaker 2: don't want to implicate the wrong law enforcement agency here,

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Speaker 2: but when they were told, Hey, this guy is leaving,

540
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Speaker 2: he's not staying on home confinement, they were like, Ah,

541
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Speaker 2: he's a celebrity. What can we do, He's a celebrity,

542
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Speaker 2: what can we do?

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Speaker 3: Many such cases, indeed, many such cases sadly, So let's

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Speaker 3: take a look at a nine.

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Speaker 4: This is Scott Jennings. Crystal.

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Speaker 3: We were talking about how some people who are sort

547
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Speaker 3: of in situations where, yeah, I feel like you can

548
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Speaker 3: tell people who just don't care about Epstein, like they

549
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Speaker 3: think it's a weird conspiracy theory and it's not something

550
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Speaker 3: that's on the radar that they've spent a great deal

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Speaker 3: of time take thinking about, and now they're forced to

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Speaker 3: kind of talk about it a lot over the course

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Speaker 3: of the last week.

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Speaker 4: On TV or radio or wherever.

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Speaker 3: And I think maybe you could put Scott Jennings in

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Speaker 3: that category. And here's where Scott Jennings and other Republicans

557
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Speaker 3: are landing.

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Speaker 4: This is a nine.

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Speaker 11: I think it as an article of faith for many

560
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Speaker 11: years that what was that, you know, that the idea

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Speaker 11: that there's information that we're not seeing as the general public,

562
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Speaker 11: and people said that brought into it. And so Donald

563
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Speaker 11: Trump wins the election. He appoints Pam Bondi, he appoints

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Speaker 11: Dan Bungino, he points Cash Ptel. These are all people

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Speaker 11: that this same audience has, you know, confidence in, We

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Speaker 11: trust their judgment, and I think it's just hard sometimes

567
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Speaker 11: to believe something for a long time and then be told,

568
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Speaker 11: you know what, what we believed is not the case.

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Speaker 11: There are certainly people that have legitimate questions about what happened.

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Speaker 11: I mean, I've heard now two lawyers, both your guest

571
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Speaker 11: tonight and Arthur Idolla, who I was on with Friday night,

572
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Speaker 11: both raised questions about whether they believe he even committed suicide.

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Speaker 11: So you can see they're actually, you know, in the

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Speaker 11: no people who are still raising legitimate questions about this case.

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Speaker 11: So you can see why the general public would also

576
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Speaker 11: have those questions. At the same time, you know, if

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Speaker 11: you vote for Donald Trump and you have trust in

578
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Speaker 11: his judgment and the people he's appointed, at some point

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Speaker 11: you have to trust their judgment. I mean, you put

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Speaker 11: them in charge of this, and I think what Doug

581
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Speaker 11: said is important to know the Biden people had this stuff,

582
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Speaker 11: if there was something incriminating about trumpet would have come out.

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Speaker 11: And also, now the Trump people have this stuff, and

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Speaker 11: there's something incriminating about you know, Bill Gates or Bill Clinton,

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Speaker 11: it would certainly have come out. And so I guess

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Speaker 11: it's some juncture. If you trust the people that you

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Speaker 11: voted for, you trust the people that you voted for.

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Speaker 3: Just quickly on that point, Crystal, I've heard it a

589
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Speaker 3: couple of times that if the Biden administration had something

590
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Speaker 3: on Donald Trump, don't you think it would have come out.

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Speaker 3: That's a line actually that a lot of Republicans have

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Speaker 3: used in recent days, and I think you can logically

593
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Speaker 3: it's like, okay, and maybe there's something to that, but

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Speaker 3: then it's like, actually there. I mean, these political elite

595
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Speaker 3: circles are fairly small, and it's possible that whatever implicated

596
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump would also implicate Democratic donors, would also implicate

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Speaker 3: power brokers who are in dem circle, as Donald Trump

598
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Speaker 3: himself was in like dem powerbroker circles in the eighties

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Speaker 3: and nineties, Like he was somebody who was giving money

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Speaker 3: to Democrats. So it's actually there's I see why they're

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Speaker 3: rolling with that line. But if there's a bunch of

602
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Speaker 3: information in the files that are devastating for the Clintons

603
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Speaker 3: at the same time that they're devastating to Donald Trump potentially,

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Speaker 3: that to me actually doesn't make a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: Well, not to mention if it is in fact a

606
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Speaker 2: Masad blackmail ring operation, yeah then yeah, Joe Biden is

607
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Speaker 2: not going to be part of exposing that, right because

608
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Speaker 2: he's died in the woul Zionist So I think there are.

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Speaker 3: Even if and this is the point that even if

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Speaker 3: it is what they always thought, they hadn't the steels

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Speaker 3: us yea, even if it's like Trump doing something disgusting

612
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Speaker 3: and whatever, they're still we've talked about this. They're still

613
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Speaker 3: being asked to say, if you're you know, Biden, and

614
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Speaker 3: you are an establishment Democrat and you are thinking you

615
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Speaker 3: protect Macad and protect the state of Israel, or you

616
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Speaker 3: expose Donald Trump doing something sexually horrifying, they're going to

617
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Speaker 3: choose in one direction over the other, even though that

618
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Speaker 3: seems insane given all of the different political maneuvers they took.

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Speaker 3: It's just a question of like their personal cost benefit analysis,

620
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Speaker 3: and I actually feel like we know where they come

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Speaker 3: down on that when we're talking talking about like potential

622
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Speaker 3: nuclear war, world affairs, and foreign policy.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden was willing to lose his reelection in order

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Speaker 2: to continue backing Israel's genocide. There's apparently nothing that he's

625
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Speaker 2: not willing to do for that country. And so I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's hard to you know, I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's hard to imagine that if that, in fact is

628
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Speaker 2: the truth of what's going on here, that yeah, he

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Speaker 2: would not be the one to expose that. And it's

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Speaker 2: also worth remembering too, I mean, Joe Biden was in

631
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Speaker 2: Washington for a long ass time before he was president

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Speaker 2: in the United States, including in the capacity or in

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Speaker 2: the capacity as Vice president of the United States. So

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Speaker 2: I don't it's very plausible that he, you know, has

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Speaker 2: known the truth of what is going on there for

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Speaker 2: a long time and also wouldn't want it exposed. That

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Speaker 2: you know, nobody has ever like he didn't show up

638
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Speaker 2: in the flight logs or anything. But perhaps he's implicated

639
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Speaker 2: in terms of knowing for a while that this was

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Speaker 2: the truth of what was going on. Now this is

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Speaker 2: all you know? Now I'm really getting out there in

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Speaker 2: terms of speculation land. But I'm just trying to make

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Speaker 2: the point that it's not hard to imagine a set

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Speaker 2: of circumstances in which Joe Biden is also not interested

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00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: in exposing the truth of what's going on here, and

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Speaker 2: where he would himself take on some political damage for

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Speaker 2: doing so, or at the very least undercut his favorite

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Speaker 2: national ally.

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Speaker 3: Joe Rogan reacted to this fiasco from the Trump administration

650
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Speaker 3: in recent days where there's just been a seesaw ping

651
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Speaker 3: pong back and forth. What is actually going on? What

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Speaker 3: they said was going on? And let's take a look

653
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Speaker 3: at how Rogan reacted to the chaos in recent days.

654
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 4: We can roll this a ten.

655
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 7: They've got videotape and all of a sudden, they don't

656
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 7: you know, you have the director of the FBI on

657
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 7: this show saying there's no ta if there was nothing

658
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 7: you're looking for is on those tapes?

659
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 12: Like what?

660
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 7: Why did they say there was thousands of hours of

661
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 7: tapes of people doing horrible shit? Why did they say that?

662
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 6: Right?

663
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 7: Didn't Pam BONDI say.

664
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Speaker 2: That what you're talking about? Epstein?

665
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 4: Ord?

666
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, Epstein, Yeah, she said it.

667
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 4: Literally.

668
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Speaker 11: I think a week before, you had the FBI director

669
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 11: sitting here taught telling you there was nothing right.

670
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 7: She said something about that there was like thousands of

671
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 7: hours of tapes of people doing horrible crime.

672
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: There is, And didn't the FBI dude say that there

673
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: was nothing?

674
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 7: Cash betells that there's nothing you looking for? Oh okay, okay,

675
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 7: I mean, what am I gonna do? I'm gonna push back. No,

676
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 7: of course, obviously he's saying what he has to say.

677
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 7: Mystery surrounds the Jeffrey Epstein files after Bondi claims tens

678
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 7: of thousands of videos tens of thousands, Jesus Christ, I'll

679
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 7: tell you what.

680
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 13: Chill.

681
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 7: Oh my god, was reviewing tens of thousands of videos

682
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 7: the wealthy financial financier with children or child porn. The

683
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 7: comment meant made the reporters of the White House days

684
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 7: after a similar remark to a stranger with a hidden

685
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 7: camera raised the stakes for President Donald Trump's administration to

686
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 7: prove it has in its possession previously unseen compelling documents

687
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 7: or just bar and everybody forgets just bombing ran, Yeah,

688
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 7: everybody forgets about it.

689
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 4: Krystal, what do you make of that?

690
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: Well, that last piece, I'm fearful he may be correct

691
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 2: about because you know, I think it's entirely possible that

692
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 2: Trump does do something wild, like potentially Bombaran or something

693
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: equivalent in order to get people to change focus, because

694
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: that is his that is his approach. But yeah, I

695
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 2: mean someone like Rogan, I think the the bro podcasters,

696
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: they are not going to be on board for this

697
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: level of gaslighting on something that they also, you know,

698
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 2: we're focused on for a long time. Now does that

699
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: make a full turn on Trump? We know that Joe

700
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: just had dinner with Trump and express some concerns about

701
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: the direction with regard to the immigration policy, concerns that

702
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 2: were apparently immediately ignored. But you know, I think people

703
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: who are die hard maga Republicans are likely ultimately gonna

704
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 2: buy the like, we just got to trust Trump because

705
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: he's Trump and that's who we voted for and this

706
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 2: is our guy. But I think people who are more

707
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: in the sort of like independent and they voted for

708
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: Trump for the first time or you know whatever, or

709
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: less like die hard maga cultist, I think this really

710
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 2: does speak to this administration is not going the way

711
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: I thought. This man is not the man I hoped

712
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: he would be. This cuts so hard against his I'm

713
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: the outsider posture, which, of course, you know, I've always

714
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: thought his positioning himself as an outsider was sort of preposterous.

715
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: But that is the way that he positioned himself, and

716
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,959
Speaker 2: that is the way that he was able to gain

717
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: so much traction. And this, for anyone who has their

718
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: eyes open, just utterly destroys that positioning. We played with

719
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: sagera on Monday. I don't know if you saw this

720
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: guy at the TPUSA conference who was talking to Steve

721
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: Bannon and he was like, Trump is the deep state.

722
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: Now he is the deep state? And Bannon was like what.

723
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 2: But there are going to be some number of people

724
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 2: who just feel completely jaded, And I think it probably

725
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: gets channeled into a significant amount of nihilism if there

726
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: isn't an eating political project that people really can believe in.

727
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 4: You know, I have a couple of thoughts on that one.

728
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: Is there are I mean, yes, like some hardcore MAGA people.

729
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 3: We played the Scott Jennings clip earlier. I wouldn't consider

730
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 3: him hardcore magacas. It comes from McConnell world.

731
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a Mitch McConnell guy. He's but he's just

732
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: gonna do what he needs to do.

733
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like Norman Republicans who embrace Maga now

734
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 3: either just like we're moving on, it's trusted. It's about

735
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: trusting Trump, like a Mike Johnson's, Scott Jennings, those types

736
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: of guys moving in that direction. On the other hand,

737
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 3: I don't think we should discount that some of these podcasters.

738
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about Rogan. We have a canvas Owen's

739
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: clip that we're about to play. But I think some

740
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 3: of these podcasters have put significant personal like the personal

741
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: reputational stakes on the line for years about Epstein. They

742
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 3: know there's hours of them talking about on the Internet,

743
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 3: and even just like from a cynical, calculated perspective, they

744
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 3: are like aware that they have to keep on the

745
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 3: same consistent point about Jeffrey Epstein. Otherwise they I mean,

746
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 3: it's just it's too glaring of it's too glaring of

747
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 3: a contrast.

748
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 4: So I think there is something to be said for that.

749
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 4: I think even like Benny.

750
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 3: Benny is an example who has been on the Epstein

751
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: case like a dog with a bone for years, and

752
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: let's just say, from a cynical perspective, Benny was like

753
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: this is bad for the Trump administration. I really love

754
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. I've always trusted Donald Trump. Now there are

755
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 3: like weeks, months, years of tapes of him talking about

756
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: how serious the Epstein case was in very specific terms,

757
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 3: about why Democrats and why the FBI, why the Feds

758
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: don't want more information to come out. So it just

759
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 3: also is like, I just don't think people on the

760
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 3: outside should underestimate how powerful that is because it has

761
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 3: been such a fixture of the podcast world.

762
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 4: And that's also why in substance it.

763
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 3: Matters to people, because it has been seen rightfully as

764
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 3: the ultimate proxy issue of the insider versus outsider dynamic

765
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 3: and NBC News talk to a girl at the Turning

766
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 3: Point summit who said it exactly like that, basically put

767
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: it exactly in those terms, just saying I thought he

768
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 3: was the outsider.

769
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 4: Now it looks like he's protecting the insiders.

770
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 3: Trump pitched himself as this outsider who was the most

771
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: compelling outsider because he was also kind of an insider

772
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 3: who knew where the bodies were buried and would know,

773
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 3: you know, where to look, and would be able to

774
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: direct people to say, transparency here, transparency there, and again,

775
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 3: you know, you and I can debate whether or not

776
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 3: that was ever plausible or legitimate. But people who work

777
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 3: in jobs that don't involve doing what we do and

778
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 3: like obsessing over the stuff because they have normal, wonderful lives,

779
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 3: are like, Okay, this.

780
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 4: Guy is right.

781
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 3: He tells me that I shouldn't trust any of these

782
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 3: other people, and that's correct. He is correctly saying you

783
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 3: can't trust the Clintons, you can't trust the Bidens, you

784
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 3: can't trust the Bushes. And because he earned people's trust

785
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 3: by saying correctly that they couldn't trust those people, some

786
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 3: people just by default put their trust in Donald Trump.

787
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 3: And this is something that actually undermines that very pitch

788
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 3: from him about why you should trust him and not them.

789
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: Well, and that's why I call it as another sort

790
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 2: of humiliation ritual. It really is another test how far

791
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: will you go? Do you have any principles? Do you

792
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: have any consistency? You know, you've got hours of tape

793
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: out there of you saying this is a big deal

794
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: and this is the cover up, and we have to

795
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: get to the truth of what's going on, and there's

796
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: you know, this is an elites sex crimes ring where

797
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: powerful people have been and you know, skating by and

798
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: we need accountability and we need justice. Can I get

799
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 2: you two over the course of a week, just turn

800
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: on a dime and repudiate all that and say I

801
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: trust Trump. The other thing it makes me think of

802
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 2: Emily and I wonder if you see any parallels here

803
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 2: as well, is go way back to grab or by

804
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: the pussy, where Republicans at that time had been posturing

805
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 2: for years, really going back to the Clinton impeachment of

806
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: like morals and character in a presidential candidate matters. You know,

807
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: we are the ethical party of family values, and you've

808
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: got Mike Pence on the ticket, who is like the

809
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: emblem of that sort of you know, evangelical Christian coalition

810
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: and the you know, importance of family values. And they

811
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: go to all these family values conferences every year and

812
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 2: it's like, all right, here's your guy, what are you

813
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: gonna do? And there was turmoil, you know, I mean,

814
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: this is at a time when it looked like Trump

815
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: was going to get wallopped by Hillary Clinton. That's what

816
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: the poll suggested, was that he was going to go

817
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 2: down in flames. And so that was you know, okay, well,

818
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 2: are you going to push aside, you're decades long supposed

819
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: commitment to like morals and ethics, specifically around family values

820
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: in a presidential candidate. Are you going to suck it

821
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 2: up and get on board and say this is a

822
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: locker room talk and there's nothing to see here and

823
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: we know ultimately where they all fell. Now, here's one

824
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: thing I will say to your point about what is

825
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 2: a little different. Now. First of all, the media landscape

826
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: is completely transformed from that moment. It is not the

827
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: same media landscape whatsoever. Second of all, Trump may be

828
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: a lame duck. We don't know, but I think many

829
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: people probably assume that he only has a few more

830
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: years in the presidency and then there's going to be

831
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: some post Trump Republican party. I personally think that's actually

832
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: foolish to think that that's the case, but I'm sure

833
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: many people think that that's the case. Number Three, you

834
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: have now a lane sort of like the you know,

835
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: the Jimmy Dore lane on the left of like I'm

836
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: just going to be critical of everyone all the time

837
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: and fu like sort of like a nihilistic lane that

838
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: has opened up on the right as well. And Fwent

839
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 2: has is a perfect example of that. And I think

840
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: Candice is flirting with that lane as well. And so

841
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 2: in terms of just sort of where can I go

842
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: and get an audience, they have demonstrated Fwent has in

843
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: particular is demonstrated, and I think Tucker also is starting

844
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: to demonstrate that as well, although I question his actual

845
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: independence from Trump and will put that aside for the moment.

846
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: Fet Do says demonstrate like, oh, you can have an audience,

847
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: you can make money, and you can be you know,

848
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: influential and have clout without always towing the line. And

849
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: so that opens up a new like sort of business

850
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: possibility for the podcast, the right wing podcast or world

851
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: that didn't necessarily exist before, where it really was just

852
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 2: sort of like you have to support whatever Trump does

853
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 2: and that's your best way to make money, have power,

854
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: have influence, have clout, et cetera. So those things do

855
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 2: create some different dynamics than we saw back in twenty sixteen.

856
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: But that is what it reminds me of, is that

857
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: you know, grabber by the Pussy moment where Republicans were

858
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: forced to completely do a one to eighty on their

859
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: you know, vociferously held purported longtime values.

860
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 3: What's interesting about that too is it, I think goes

861
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 3: a long way towards explaining Trump, who's a very media

862
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 3: savvy man, landing on this new line of defense, which

863
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 3: is the files were cooked up by the Biden administration,

864
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: by Komy, by the deep state, essentially because the effort

865
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 3: there is to muddy the waters. A lot of these

866
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,479
Speaker 3: podcast world people are very sympathetic to Trump in that

867
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 3: sort of quest to take down people, or let's just say,

868
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 3: in his war against like this so called deep state.

869
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 3: And some of this is for legitimate reasons. There was

870
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 3: a lot of funny business going on, and we've covered

871
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: a lot of it here, so they're already kind of

872
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: primed to see that as true, to believe that is

873
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 3: true because of the last decade. And that means if

874
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is sort of he thinks he can plant

875
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 3: that seed money the waters and say, hey, maybe actually

876
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 3: this is all coming from the deep state. It's something

877
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 3: that Alex Jones was talking about a little bit last week,

878
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 3: saying that he saw, and we're gonna get to Alex

879
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 3: Jones in just a moment, he saw a possibility and

880
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: evidence of the situation where Trump was in control of

881
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 3: the Epstein dirt and using that to control the deep state.

882
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 3: He was sort of reversed blackmailing the deep state with

883
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 3: his Epstein information.

884
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: And classic eight.

885
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 4: Let's actually get to a twelve here.

886
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: This is more reaction from Alex Jones, who has really

887
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: been going through it in the last week.

888
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 12: I'm getting really concerned and here at this point because

889
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 12: the flip flopping and the one eightying and then going

890
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 12: back and going back is just the biggest train wrack

891
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 12: I've ever seen. And it's not in character for you

892
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 12: to be acting like this. So we want your agenda succeed.

893
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 12: I've done deep research every soody involved with Epstein in

894
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 12: criminal activity, So why are you acting like this. You've

895
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 12: made a deal with the establishment to leave you alone?

896
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 12: Have they rolled over US intelligence we know is involved

897
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 12: besides CIA and I six We already know that. But

898
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 12: instead you just continue to say nothing to see here

899
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 12: and move along though, go ahead and release information, but

900
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 12: there's no information, release contradition or contradiction, flip flopping and

901
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 12: a flip flopping one eight one eighties on one eighties. Jesus,

902
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 12: I'm on a roller coaster here. And then oh, it's

903
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 12: only fake news is concerned? Oh, like MGG and duck

904
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 12: or Carlson and myself and Joe Rogan and the American people.

905
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 12: This is something that finally got our attention. People finally

906
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 12: woke up to this. PEO will finally understand, you know,

907
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 12: a winno in the deep state with all this, and

908
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 12: so you signing on to this and flip flopping. Is

909
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 12: this self harming? I mean, please, President Trump stop, if

910
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 12: you want it to go away, just be quiet. It's suck.

911
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 12: There's a gun to his head saying you better come

912
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 12: out and say no, this exists or we'll release it.

913
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 12: It's bad. It's getting works by the minute. And I

914
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 12: support you, but we built the movement you wrote in on.

915
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 12: You're not the move but you just surfed in on it.

916
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 12: And I'm telling you, man, the Democrats we know are

917
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 12: pure well, my god, they promote pedophilia and everything openly.

918
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 12: So why the hell are you acting like this? Please

919
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 12: stop now.

920
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 3: So Crystal, let's go ahead and roll candas owns as well,

921
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 3: and then break down what we're seeing for both of them.

922
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 14: This is a eleven nothing to see here. Jeffrey Epstein.

923
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 14: You see, we're not saying that you're guilty, but you

924
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 14: are right now guilty of gaslighting the public. We're not

925
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 14: saying that you are in the files, and again, I

926
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 14: would like to trust I certainly don't believe that, but

927
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 14: it is very clear that you are not calling the

928
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 14: shots on the Jeffrey Epstein tobackle, and you're essentially being

929
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 14: used to try to contry control the public reaction to

930
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 14: those files not being released. What is happening now is

931
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 14: it seems like you think your base is stupid.

932
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 4: That's how I feel.

933
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 14: I feel like Trump thinks his base is stupid. Or again,

934
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 14: because I don't think he's pressing send on these messages,

935
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 14: the people around him certainly think that Trump is stupid

936
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 14: and that shouldn't survive. Surprise you, given the fact that

937
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 14: all of these people were never Trump, and they think,

938
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 14: as they thought that Trump was too stupid to be president,

939
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 14: that his base is too stupid to see through the

940
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 14: lies that they are telling right now.

941
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 4: And so what are they gonna do?

942
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 14: What is the last thing they're gonna do now with

943
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 14: the Epstein stuff while we're still reacting to it. Oh, operation,

944
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 14: just give them more war? Yeah, war as a distraction.

945
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 14: Never mind, we can't talk about Epstein because guys, guess,

946
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 14: while look at this headline Trump announces an aggressive or

947
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 14: Trump is too announced an aggressive Ukraine weapons plan. Yeah,

948
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 14: he already indicated that in that same press conference that

949
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 14: there's just gonna be more weapons sent to Ukraine. They're

950
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 14: gonna attack Rush. Now we're just gonna have to have

951
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 14: a world war and another reset. I guess do you

952
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 14: guys just stop talking about Jeffrey Epstein.

953
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 4: And I am telling.

954
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 14: You that I will be the very last person that

955
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 14: will stop talking about Jeffrey Epstein when it comes to children.

956
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 14: I'm telling you, guys, the left and the right, we

957
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 14: have definitely got to come together on this and not

958
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 14: let it go.

959
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 3: So there you go, the very last person will stop

960
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 3: talking about Jeffrey Epstein, one of Donald Trump's s Dodger supporters.

961
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's interesting she and Rogan Book come to

962
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: the same like, Oh, I guess they're just gonna, you know,

963
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: start another war or escalate some of the wards we're

964
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: already involved with to distract from this. And it's a

965
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: clever point that Candace makes there to say, there are

966
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 2: like that's already happening. And we covered, of course, the

967
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: Ukraine escalation yesterday and Trump's clansorship these long range weapons

968
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: and the fact that apparently he asked Lensky and it

969
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: was leaked to askes Lensky like, hey, can you hit Moscow?

970
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: Can you hate hit Saint Petersburg? So I think that's

971
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 2: a that's a savvy point that Candace is ultimately making there.

972
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: I can't help but notice so Emily, she's still like

973
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: he's being controlled, Like it's never him who's the actor,

974
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: it's who's controlling you. And same thing with Alex Jones,

975
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: Like Alex seems genuinely tortured. You know, we played that

976
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 2: video where he was crying and he said he was

977
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: gonna puke, Like I believe him. I believe that he

978
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: probably vomited and is like genuinely tortured over what the

979
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: fuck here? Because he is the conspira. He is the

980
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 2: og conspiracy guy, right, And so for Trump to completely

981
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: flip on Epstein and say you are a bad person

982
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: if you still are talking about this, and to put

983
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: out there this most outlandish explanation that it was Obama

984
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 2: who wrote the Epstein files, which just doesn't even make

985
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 2: any sense. Alex is trying to reckon with this in

986
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 2: some way that doesn't lead to the conclusion, Oh Trump

987
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 2: is implicated in these files. He always says the same

988
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: thing of like I did deep research, and I know

989
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: there's nothing there in terms of you and kids. But

990
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: you know, if it was any Democrat, actually, if it

991
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: was anyone other than Trump, even another Republican, he would

992
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: come to the obvious conclusion, you're trying to cover something up.

993
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 2: That must look really bad for you. Because and that's

994
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 2: why he's so tortured and wrapping himself around this thing,

995
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 2: because how you look at the fact pattern and not

996
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 2: come to the conclusion as a culture was hinting at like, oh,

997
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: maybe there is some there there, because otherwise, why are

998
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: you behaving in this completely preposterous way? And Nowlex Jones

999
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 2: is begging him not even to This is also interesting

1000
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: to me. He's not even begging him at this point

1001
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: release the files. He's just begging him to stop stop

1002
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: talking about it, stop doing what you're doing, Like just

1003
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 2: please stop, which is kind of wild. You would think that,

1004
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 2: you know, he would be calling for the release of

1005
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 2: the files, but you know, just please stop talking about this.

1006
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: You're just drawing more attention to You're just making things worse, Like,

1007
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 2: just stop everything that you're doing right now. And so

1008
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: it's it's pretty wild to it's pretty wild to behold.

1009
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: But there's no doubt if it was certainly any Democrat,

1010
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 2: he and you know, the whole cast of characters would

1011
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 2: immediately go, oh, they're guilty. That's why they're behaving this way.

1012
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 2: That is the most logical explanation.

1013
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 4: I mean, people are getting closer.

1014
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 3: People that side of it are getting closer and closer

1015
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: to thinking that. And your point about Sager saying, you know,

1016
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 3: I never thought there was any there there with Trump

1017
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 3: and Epstein. I still think it's probably likely that Trump

1018
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 3: is covering up for someone close to him rather than

1019
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 3: him himself. But the more that he talks this is

1020
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 3: what Alex Jones is getting at, the more absurd and

1021
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 3: desperate he looks, and that is suspicious.

1022
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 4: Of course, it's suspicial.

1023
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: I mean everything around Trump and Epstein is already suspicious enough.

1024
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, it's just it's gonna get the

1025
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 3: Donald Trump that they're painting a portrait of, whether it's

1026
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 3: Alex Jones or Candice Owens or Joe Rogan.

1027
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 4: Actually, it is so.

1028
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 3: Incredibly dark, this idea that you would have a president

1029
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 3: who says he's going to drain the swamp and purge corruption,

1030
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 3: who is hiding covering up for political elites in the

1031
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 3: case of a sex predator in order to protect himself.

1032
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 3: And then you're deflecting by sending more weapons into a

1033
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 3: conflict that he also said he would get elected to end.

1034
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 4: I mean, that is what they are.

1035
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 3: The portrait that they're painting for their listeners is an

1036
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 3: incredibly dark and powerful Wan.

1037
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 4: Crystal.

1038
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 3: That's probably a good note on which to transition to

1039
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 3: the politics of all of this. We have numbers, So

1040
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 3: let's put a five on the screen. This is new

1041
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 3: polling data. Should the government release all documents related to

1042
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 3: the Epstein case.

1043
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 4: This is from you gov. Yes.

1044
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 3: Seventy nine percent, No, five percent.

1045
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 4: It's not even close.

1046
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: Those seventy nine percent all bad people, emily bad people.

1047
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: The only noble ones are the five percent to say no,

1048
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: and most of them are apparently like in Congress, Republican

1049
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: members of Congress.

1050
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and here's Harry Enton going through some pulling numbers

1051
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 3: on CNN A six.

1052
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 13: Take a look here Epstein case. Amount of info release

1053
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 13: the winner here, fifty percent dissatisfied doesn't matter, twenty nine

1054
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 13: percent not hurd enough, seventeen second but look at the

1055
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 13: bottom of your screen. The percentage that are satisfied is

1056
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 13: just three percent. That's one, that's two, That is just

1057
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 13: three percent. I feel like the count on Sesame Street.

1058
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 13: Just three percent of Americans are satisfied so far with

1059
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 13: the amount of information release. The clear winner in this

1060
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 13: particular case is fifty percent. Half of the public is dissatisfied,

1061
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 13: at least so far. You see this, fifty percent dissatisfied.

1062
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 13: And let's break it down by party, Okay, Epstein case

1063
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 13: amount of info release.

1064
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 4: Look at this.

1065
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 13: You get forty three percent of lean GOP. That's Republicans

1066
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 13: and independents who lean towards the Republican Party who are dissatisfied.

1067
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 13: Look this, just four percent satisfied. My goodness, gracious, when

1068
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 13: you only a four percent that is with Donald Trump

1069
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 13: on a particular issue, that is ridiculously low. I've never

1070
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 13: seen anything quite like it. How about lean Democrat sixty

1071
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 13: percent dissatisfied. Compare that to three percent who are satisfied

1072
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 13: again four percent, three percent Republican Democrat. You rarely ever

1073
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 13: see this type of agreement whites with a college degree,

1074
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 13: whites without a college degree. But in this particular case,

1075
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 13: we see agreement. What are we talking about this Epstein

1076
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 13: case amount of info release dissatisfied. Fifty five percent of

1077
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 13: white college graduates and fifty three of white non college

1078
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 13: graduates Donald Trump's historic base, yet the majority are dissatisfied.

1079
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: Look at Donald Trump uniting the country, healing the grand

1080
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: education divide. Look at that, Emily.

1081
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 4: One of the numbers of it.

1082
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 3: Enton didn't mention specifically, but was on the screen you

1083
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 3: could see.

1084
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 4: Was most interesting to me.

1085
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 3: Twenty nine percent of people saying that it doesn't matter.

1086
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 4: Right.

1087
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 3: So if that number were higher than Trump would be

1088
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 3: able to get away with this right like Trump could.

1089
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 3: There are all kinds of things that don't matter to voters.

1090
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 3: They might disagree with the president on, but it doesn't

1091
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 3: really matter. You know, we're not talking right now about

1092
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 3: Donald Trump's position on abortion at all. It's not like

1093
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 3: the high priority for many voters at this given moment.

1094
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 4: Or let's say Donald Trump disagrees on like the Jones Act.

1095
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 3: You can show all of these scary poll numbers about

1096
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: how voters are in total disagreement with Donald Trump on

1097
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 3: the Jones Act.

1098
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 4: Nobody cares about the Jones Act.

1099
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: So when you aukus, are you an August voter.

1100
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, you know, Siier probably cares a lot about

1101
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 3: the Jones Act. But twenty nine percent of people saying

1102
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. Wow, Like that's that number is is a

1103
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 3: bit low for the comfort of the Republican Party.

1104
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 2: I'm actually curious for some more polling about how closely

1105
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 2: people have been and are following the Epstein case, because

1106
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 2: in some ways it does feel like kind of an

1107
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 2: Internet phenomenon, and certain it has been podcasters who have

1108
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: most focused on it and delved into it and explored

1109
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: the various avenues you know, mainstream media. Basically, once he

1110
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 2: was dead, just sort of dropped it like a hot

1111
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: potato and there wasn't a lot of additional reporting, et cetera.

1112
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: Some may say that was the point in any case,

1113
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 2: It has been largely a sort of podcast phenomenon, but

1114
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: because it touches on some of these core themes of

1115
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 2: just like do you trust this guy? You know, did

1116
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 2: he Is he a con man? Which of course I

1117
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 2: think he is. I've always thought that he was, but

1118
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 2: you know, he presented himself as a soundsider. Is he

1119
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 2: really that? Or was this all just you know, a

1120
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 2: giant con of the American people? And most directly of

1121
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 2: his own supporters. So because and also look, it's you know,

1122
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 2: it's sort in tawdry, and those things also grab people's attention.

1123
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: So I have a feeling that there is a lot

1124
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: of significant, normy public interest in this, and I but

1125
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: I you know, I don't have a strong feeling about

1126
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 2: i'mus to see more numbers as to just how closely

1127
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 2: people are following this, just what they make of it,

1128
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 2: just how important they think it is, and we'll see

1129
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 2: over time how it impacts his approval rating. You know,

1130
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 2: Like I said before, I don't think that this causes

1131
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 2: MAGA to the mega base, right, I think they'll still

1132
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 2: be there. I think, you know, Dinash Desuza and others

1133
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: who have this like, oh, but let's focus on the

1134
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 2: great work he's doing, like you know, imprisoning people in

1135
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 2: Alligator Alcatraz or whatever. I think that will probably be

1136
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 2: successful with most of his base, because it's certainly not

1137
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 2: the first time he's been caught any blatant hypocrisy. It's

1138
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 2: not even the first time, like this month, that he's

1139
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 2: been caught in a blatant hypocrisy. But for independence, you know,

1140
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: I think he'll probably start rapidly receding towards his floor,

1141
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 2: like the type of numbers that we saw, you know,

1142
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 2: after January sixth, for example. I don't know it will

1143
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 2: get quite that low, but I think we'll start heading

1144
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 2: more in that direction. I know that I saw already

1145
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 2: pull numbers of his approval ratings declining significantly on this

1146
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 2: because it just does really cut against the identity that

1147
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 2: he's tried to forge for himself in politics.

1148
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's one final thought I have. Some smart analysts

1149
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 3: of the Biden presidency were looking at his favorability in

1150
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 3: his numbers, and after the botched Afghanistan withdrawal, which by

1151
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 3: the way, in principle most Americans agreed with getting out

1152
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 3: of Afghanistan, Biden's poll numbers never really recovered from that moment.

1153
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 3: That's sort of like when things in terms of the

1154
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 3: politics started to go downhill for Joe Biden. And you

1155
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 3: could potentially make the case that this is possibly a

1156
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 3: parallel moment for Donald Trump. It's one of those things

1157
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 3: where you just lose trust, and once you lose trust,

1158
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 3: and you look, I mean, we were talking about the

1159
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 3: humiliation rituals that Donald Trump likes to put his deputies

1160
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 3: through but it's humiliating for Donald Trump to and he

1161
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 3: doesn't see it this way, of course, but to talk

1162
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 3: such a tough game about the deep state and transparency

1163
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 3: in draining the swamp, and then to be a guy

1164
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 3: who comes out there and can't get tough on the

1165
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:09,479
Speaker 3: Epstein case, the case that most people want, the case

1166
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 3: that's most important to people who want toughness from a

1167
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 3: outsider president or outsider president who pledged to take on

1168
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 3: the swamp. So that I actually think that is sort

1169
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 3: of a humiliating moment for Trump, and I do wonder

1170
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 3: if it causes trust with you know, five percent, even

1171
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 3: of people who generally give him the benefit of the doubt.

1172
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 3: It's one of those things where it's a proxy issue.

1173
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 4: It just I sensed actually, the Republican Study.

1174
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 3: Committee did a new media row yesterday and I was talking,

1175
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 3: So I was talking to a bunch of members, and

1176
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 3: I got the sense from them that they know their

1177
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 3: districts care about this, and they know people are going

1178
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 3: to ask them about this, they know they're going to

1179
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 3: actual answer questions about it, and so Trump is not

1180
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 3: really going be able to hand wave it away, not

1181
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 3: just because of how Alex Jens and Candazans are reacting,

1182
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 3: but also because it's going to stick.

1183
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 4: In the minds of regular people.

1184
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, Trump is a political taflon and

1185
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 2: is able to write out a bunch of crises and

1186
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 2: already has written out a bunch of CRISI but there's

1187
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 2: been massive blowback against the Republican Party in midterm elections,

1188
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 2: in particular as a consequence of things that he has

1189
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 2: done that has sung the party's chances. So when you

1190
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 2: think about the midterm elections, which is still a ways

1191
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:34,919
Speaker 2: down the road, we're going to have eighty five more

1192
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 2: like scandals and outrageous things happen, wars and whatever the

1193
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: hell we're going to see over the next year and

1194
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 2: a half. But between now and then. But this is

1195
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 2: the sort of thing that contributes to apathy amongst your base,

1196
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 2: where I may you know, they may still say, yes,

1197
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 2: I approve of what he's doing, and I'm glad he's

1198
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 2: in there, and I trust my guy. Am I going

1199
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 2: to go out and vote for this Republican member of

1200
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: Congress who voted against the release of the Epstein files.

1201
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 2: Maybe not, Maybe I'll just maybe have got other things

1202
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,959
Speaker 2: going on on that day. It only takes a couple

1203
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: points of depressed turnout on the Republican side to really

1204
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 2: remake the landscape in terms of, you know what those

1205
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 2: midterm elections ultimately look like.

1206
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 3: And you know, nobody really agrees that Jeffrey Epstein like

1207
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 3: that there's no there there.

1208
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 4: I mean, everyone pretty much is like, right, yeah, this

1209
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 4: is this is suspicious.

1210
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 3: So it's not like there are people in Trump's camp

1211
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 3: who are like, you know, I bet, I bet it's

1212
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 3: all on the up and up, and you know, like.

1213
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 4: That just doesn't even know that doesn't make sense.

1214
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 3: And now Trump has introduced this other scandal like that

1215
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 3: he was framed by the Biden administration, you know, James

1216
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 3: Comey to be implicated in Epstein, which is this is

1217
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 3: significant allegation.

1218
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:35,919
Speaker 4: So he's yeah open.

1219
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 3: That's why Alex Jones is like, dude, stop because now

1220
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 3: there's this basically fabricated out of thin air new theory, uh,

1221
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 3: that Trump is using to kind of muddy the waters.

1222
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 5: Uh.

1223
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 3: And maybe there's something too, I mean, maybe they did

1224
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 3: if you were a partisan operation and you knew that

1225
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 3: there was stuff on the other guy to prevent it

1226
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 3: from being released. If Democrats are implicated, you might point

1227
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 3: the face at him and leave the files in such

1228
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 3: a way that points right like there could be truth

1229
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:05,919
Speaker 3: to it, But the idea that they are the only

1230
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 3: ones who cooked up the Epstein theory is obviously.

1231
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 2: Not true well, and also it's not what the administration

1232
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 2: was saying five seconds ago when they were like, there

1233
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 2: are no files and there is no client list, and

1234
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 2: the case is closed and we need to move on.

1235
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: If you uncovered this giant conspiracy where Democrats wrote you

1236
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 2: into the Ebstein files and deleted themselves or whatever the

1237
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 2: fuck he's arguing, even then, why don't you reveal that

1238
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 2: instead of saying there's nothing to see here and everyone

1239
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: should move on, and you're a bad person if you don't.

1240
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 2: So there's that glaring problem with that theory as well.

1241
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 2: And the last thing I'll say about this, Emily is

1242
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,919
Speaker 2: the people who are backing him up the hardest are

1243
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 2: like the Ben Shapiro's, are the pro Israel neocon types.

1244
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 2: And that concerns me because not only because of potential

1245
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 2: implications there, but it concerns me because of who may

1246
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 2: gain influence through this. And we all know the people

1247
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 2: who come through as like the most loyal servants of

1248
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 2: Donald Trump are more likely to get access and favor

1249
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 2: and have their viewpoints listened to. And so the fact

1250
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 2: that it's the you know, the pro Israel, pro war

1251
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 2: faction that may be gaining more power and credibility and

1252
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 2: access through all of this is also really concerning to

1253
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 2: me