1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast, come to you 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: every Wednesday. Another solo episode of the pod. This week, 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: I want to thank everybody for sending in topics that 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: you want me to kind of go through and discuss. 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: We are going to get to them. Keep those coming. 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: I'm always interested to hear what you guys want to 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 1: hear and guests that you want and topics that you want. 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: So before we get to me this week, let's take 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: a moment to talk about our friends at Cobra Golf 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: and their new aerojet driver. 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You can learn more and pick up 30 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: one right now at Cobra golf dot com. So I 31 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: want to thank everybody at Cobra Pooma Golf. If you 32 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: hadn't had a chance to check it out, go check 33 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: it out. So I wanted to talk today about the 34 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: World Golf Hall of Fame. This year they inducted more 35 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: people in the World Golf Hall of Fame and it 36 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: was a great class and for the first time, my dad, 37 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: Butcharman was nominated to be in the World Golf Hall 38 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: of Fame. How he hasn't been inducted into the World 39 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: Golf Hall of Fame before is just it's beyond me 40 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: and I don't really do this very often, you know, 41 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: kind of give my big opinions on things. But this miss, 42 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: in my opinion, by the World Golf Hall of Fame 43 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: is is so glaring. I put a tweet out a 44 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago when he got nominated that I 45 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: didn't think you could find somebody more deserving of that. 46 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: That's my opinion. But what I wanted to do today 47 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: is just give facts about my dad, about butcharmon what 48 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: he did in the game. And I just think that hopefully, 49 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: if you had a vote in the World Golf Hall 50 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: of Fame, you're listening to this and maybe this is 51 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: information and you didn't know, but these these are just facts, Okay. 52 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: I went through and compiled the list of every player 53 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: that I could think of. I kind of had a 54 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: little chat with my dad about it as well. But 55 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: players that he worked with long term, not guys or 56 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: women that came for one golf lesson to him. So 57 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: I think my dad's career can be put into three categories. 58 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: There's him as the instructor, there is him as a broadcaster, 59 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: and there is him as a coach. When we talk 60 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: about him as a coach, I'm just gonna go ahead 61 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: and list the names of players that he has worked 62 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: with Tiger Woods, Greg Norman, Phil Mickelson, Ernie Els, Dustin Johnson, 63 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: Adam Scott, Davis Love, Freddie Couple's, Sevy Biasteros, Darren Clark, 64 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: Ricky Fowler, Stuart Sink, Jose Maria Olathable, Gary Woodland, Steve Elkington, 65 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: Webb Simpson, Danielle Kang, Suzanne Petterson, Nick Watney, Siri Pock, 66 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: Justin Leonard Brandt, Snedeker, Mark Calcavecchia, Ben Crane, Steve Flesh, 67 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: Natalie Golbis. He's currently working with Harold Arnold the Third. 68 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: Tommy Fleetwood's going out to see him. It's been working 69 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: with Maverick McNeely. The list of people that have gone 70 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: and just sought his counsel and said, hey, why don't 71 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: you take a look, give me a second opinion. Haddeck. 72 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: He's been out to Vegas to see him. Rory's been 73 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: out to Vegas to see him. Jordan Spiece has been 74 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: out to Vegas to see him. Some of the old 75 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: school guys, Curtis Strange, Raymond Floyd, they all went out 76 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: to see him. If you think about the categories to 77 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: get into the World Golf Hall of Fame, they have 78 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: four categories, male competitors, female competitors, veterans, and they have 79 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: a lifetime achievement. So if you look at those players 80 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: that I just mentioned, I think, let me go through one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, 81 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: nine of them. Nine of the players that I just 82 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: mentioned that my dad worked with in their careers, nine 83 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: of those players are in the World Golf Hall of Fame. Nine. 84 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: If we look at the body of work that he 85 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: has done with players, it is mind boggling to me 86 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: that you could look at that and not say he 87 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: is a first ballot member of the Hall of Fame. 88 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: I mean, he should have been in a long, long 89 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: time ago. And you can make the argument. I think 90 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: some people look at golf instructors or golf coaches and 91 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: they say, listen, players don't need coaches. Players can do 92 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: it on their own. And I agree with that. I 93 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: agree with that statement. You could make that argument that 94 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: players don't need coaches and they could do it on 95 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: their own. But unfortunately, if that's your argument, all of 96 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: these players hired my dad. They hired him to help 97 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: them with their golf, to be their coach, and every 98 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,119 Speaker 1: other sport that I can think of that would have 99 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: a resume like that, if you're a coaching another sport 100 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: and you basically worked with and coached the greatest players 101 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: in your sport spanning almost two three decades, you would 102 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: be a shoe in to be in the Hall of Fame. 103 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: If we look at the benchmark for tournament golf, the 104 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: benchmark for tournament golf is major championships. That's what everybody 105 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: that plays professional golf is judged by. There is a 106 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: category that they have every year, who is the best 107 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: player currently to have never won a major. There are 108 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: great players that have won loads of golf tournaments all 109 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: over the world, and the knock on them would be, yeah, 110 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,119 Speaker 1: they're a great player, but they've never won a major. 111 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: So majors or the benchmark so much so that if 112 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: you look at the debate between who's the greatest player 113 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: of all time Tiger Woods, Jack Nicholas, most people give 114 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: Jack the nod there. Most people say Jack's the greatest 115 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: of all time. And the reason they say that is 116 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: because he won eighteen majors. And the reason a lot 117 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: of people think that Jack's career is better or greater 118 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: than Tiger Woods. Tiger won way more tournaments than Jack 119 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: Nicholas everyone Tiger won fifteen majors. So majors or the 120 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: litmus test for greatness in golf, it's what you're judged 121 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: by in the coaching world if you're working with players. 122 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: I work with players I've followed in my father's footsteps. 123 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the holy grail for us as coaches, 124 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: and I feel like as a coach, you are judged 125 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: by players, how they play in tournaments, how they perform, 126 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: but ultimately, do they win majors. That's certainly how I 127 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: judge myself. So if we look at my dad's records 128 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: in the Masters, he has five. He has coached and 129 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: been a part of five Masters champions the PGA four, 130 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: the US Open four, the British Open five, the Players 131 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: Championship that was just last week. Seven. I mean Phil Jackson, 132 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, Nick Saban, all the great coaches, they don't 133 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: even come close to anything like that. I mean they're 134 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: not even in the same conversation because the majors are 135 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: the only thing that matters. So if you're a coach 136 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: and you're in golf and someone hires you to help them, 137 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: they are asking you to help them win tournaments, but 138 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: they're also help asking you hopefully to help you win 139 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: major championships. And again I go back to this all 140 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: the time. Yes, all of these players could have won 141 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: all of these majors, all of these players championships without 142 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: my dad's help. They could have all done that, but 143 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: I just know they didn't. They all didn't do it 144 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: with ale his help. So if you're going to categorize 145 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: players and say, listen, greatness is major championships, there are 146 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: great players that will never get into the World Golf 147 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Great players who have won a ton 148 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: of tournaments, won an enormous amount of money, played on 149 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: Writer Cups, played on President's Cups, but they probably aren't 150 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: going to get into the World Golf Hall of Fame 151 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: because they never won a major championship. So if you 152 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: look at my dad's body of work, not only with 153 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: the players that he worked with, but what those players did, 154 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: I think it's almost impossible to leave him out of 155 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: being in the World Golf Hall of Fame. And he's 156 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: going to be eighty in August. And my question would be, 157 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: what are you waiting for? I mean, if you look 158 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: at this resume and if you look at this body 159 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: of work at the professional level, if you look at 160 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: the body of work, just strictly at the professional level, 161 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: it is beyond me how my dad hasn't been inducted 162 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame a long time ago. Now, obviously, 163 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: my dad is most famous for working with Tiger Woods 164 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: from ninety three to about two thousand and two, and 165 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: it was an unbelievable run, right. Tiger won a ton 166 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: of tournaments. He won, you know, a bunch of usms, 167 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: he won a bunch of majors, the Cut Streak, the 168 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: Tiger Slam, the Grand Slam, all of it. Um, that's 169 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: kind of who my dad is associated with the most. 170 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: So if you take Tiger off, my dad's resume still 171 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: have two masters that he that he helped players win 172 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: two PGA's, two US Opens, three British Opens, and six 173 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: players championships. I mean again, I'll keep saying this, what 174 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: the hell are you looking at? I mean, how you 175 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: can look at this and not say yes? And so 176 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: the contribution. And on top of that, my dad played 177 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour for a couple of years. He played 178 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: in major championships, he kept his card. He won a 179 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: PGA Tour win. Yes it was a one day event, 180 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: but in the seventies. That's what the PGA Tour was. 181 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: They had satellite tournaments. It's an official win he won 182 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour. He devoted his life to helping 183 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: players win on the PGA Tour, on the LPGA Tour 184 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: all over the world. And so I think that the 185 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: category is lifetime achievement. You can't look at that body 186 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: of work and not say that that doesn't warrant getting 187 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: into the World Golf Hall of Fame. My dad was 188 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: a broadcaster. He worked for Sky Sports in the UK 189 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: for over twenty years. A lot of people think that 190 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: he was the voice of Sky Sports Golf. When my 191 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: dad goes over to the Open Championship, it is crazy 192 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: how many people want his picture, how many people want 193 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: his autograph, how popular, how recognizable he is because he 194 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: spent over twenty years as lead analyst commentator. He worked 195 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: all the majors, he worked all the Ryder Cups. I 196 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: have people to this day come up and say that 197 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: they loved his commentary. They loved what he brought to 198 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: the broadcast, his honesty, his openness, his frankness, the fact 199 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: that he didn't choose sides in the Ryder Cup. Yes, 200 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: obviously he wanted the US team to win because he 201 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: coached and worked with a bunch of players that were 202 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: on those teams. But if you look at the people 203 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: that watched him, they would probably say, and they have 204 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: said this to me, he was impartial. He loved golf, 205 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: he loved good golf shots. And you know, there are 206 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: people Peter Alice was a player, but Peter Alice is 207 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: mostly known for being a broadcaster at the BBC. He 208 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: is in the World Golf Hall of Fame. There are 209 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: people that used to head the USGA, They're in the 210 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: World Golf Hall of Fame. There are people that worked 211 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: on the European Tour, Ken Scofield, people like that. They're 212 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: in the World Golf Hall of Fame. And so coach, broadcaster. 213 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: And then the thing that is the reason why I 214 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: got into coaching golf is my dad, at the end 215 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: of the day, is an instructor. He is a golf instructor, 216 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: and I think his contributions to golf instruction have been 217 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: a massive, massive part of what golf instruction is. I 218 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: think the work that he did with Tiger Woods, I 219 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: think the way that he worked with Tiger before Tiger 220 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: came out, everything was about accuracy. Everything was about hitting fairways, 221 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: everything was about hitting greens, and everything was just about Actually, 222 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: we didn't have a lot of players that hit the 223 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: golf ball a long way. Now everybody hits the golf 224 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: ball a long way. Everybody hits on the PGA Tour, 225 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: there are an enormous amount of guys. They hit the 226 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: golf ball over three hundred yards. But when Tiger came 227 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: to see my dad, I was part of that first 228 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: lesson in nineteen ninety three, I think Tiger just gotten 229 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: I was like mid August, late August of ninety three. 230 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: I think I want to say Tiger was playing in 231 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: the US Junior at Champions in Houston. He came over 232 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: to Lochinvar where my dad was teaching. Didn't have a glove, 233 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: didn't have shoes. You can find these videos on the 234 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: internet on social of the first lesson that my dad 235 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: gave to Tiger. I videoed that entire golf lesson and 236 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: I got to watch it. And at that time, my 237 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: dad was working with Greg Norman. Greg had just won 238 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: the Open Championship but Royal Saint George's. I think Gregor 239 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: had just gone back to number one in the world 240 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: and Tiger rolls in as a sixteen year old with Earl, 241 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: and I'd never seen anything like it. I know my 242 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: dad had never seen anything like it. And we were 243 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: driving home that night and I said to my dad, 244 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: wou'd you think? And he said, you know, I don't 245 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: know if I'll ever get the chance to work with 246 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: this kid long term. But if I could get the 247 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: opportunity to really work with this kid and Earl would 248 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: really let me be his coach, be his instructor, I 249 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: can make him the best the game has ever seen. 250 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: And that was in nineteen ninety three, and it happened, 251 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: and the way they went about it, I think some 252 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: of the terms that we use now in golf instruction 253 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: about the club being stuck behind you, that you're under 254 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: the plane and old phrase. Nobody ever talked about that 255 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: before my dad showed up and worked with Tiger Woods. 256 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: And I think when my dad met Tiger, it was 257 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: it was a kind of almost a perfect storm, right. 258 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: You know, he had had tremendous success, he'd just helped 259 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 1: Greg Norman get back to number one in the world, 260 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: He'd worked with a bunch of players, and he saw 261 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: this role young kid who just had all of this 262 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: speed and all of this talent, and I think it was, 263 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: you know, a seminal moment in my dad's life, to 264 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: where everything that he had learned up to that point 265 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: in working with players, everything that he had learned from 266 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: being a player himself, everything that he learned from my grandfather, 267 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: his father Claude Harman, who won the Masters in nineteen 268 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: forty eight, who was best friends of Ben Hogan, my 269 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: dad is. I mean, if if the World Golf Hall 270 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: of Fame has a lifetime Achievement award, I don't think 271 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: you could find someone whose life he's more about golf 272 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: than my dad. His father won the Masters. He has 273 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: He had three brothers, my uncle Dickey, who passed away 274 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: a number of years ago, my uncle Craig, my uncle Billy, 275 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: all of them. My uncle Craig was the head pro 276 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: to Oak Hill Golf Club where we'll play the PGA 277 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: later this year for almost forty years. My uncle Billy 278 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: caddied on the PJA tour for Jay Hoss. Bill Hoss 279 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: is named after my uncle Billy. My uncle Billy's firstborn 280 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: son is named Jay. My uncle Dick worked at River 281 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: Oaks Country Club for over twenty five years and worked 282 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: with Lannie Watkins, Ben Crenshaw, Curtis Strange. I mean, the 283 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: list goes on. My uncle Craig was Jeff Sluman's childhood instructor. 284 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: You couldn't find. My dad grew up going to the 285 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: Mask and watching my grandfather play. In the forties and 286 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: the fifties, my grandfather was the head pro at Wingfoot 287 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: and Seminole. My dad grew up at Seminole. When you 288 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: drive in Seminole on the left, if anyone's ever been there, 289 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: if you drive into Seminole on the left, there is 290 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: the maintenance bard and there is a house. That house 291 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: is where my dad used to live. He just got 292 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: made an honorary member at Wingfoot, where his father was 293 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: the head pro. There forever, he's a member at Royal 294 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: County Down. He has a golf school in Las Vegas. 295 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: He has one here at at the Floridian, which I run. 296 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: We had, We have a golf school in Dubai. I 297 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: think the contribution that he has made from the instruction 298 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: part of golf is is second to none. And I 299 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: think the way that he and Tiger went about working, 300 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: in the way that they taught, the way that he 301 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: was taught by my dad kind of changed golf instruction. 302 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: It's kind of to me the beginning of what modern 303 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: golf instruction is and how the World Golf Hall of 304 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:22,239 Speaker 1: Fame doesn't have a category for instructors for coaches is 305 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: just mind boggling to me. Harvey Pennock is in the 306 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, right, He is an amazing He was 307 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: an amazing great instructor. John Jacobs is in the Hall 308 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: of Fame. My dad is a massive, massive John Jacobs fan. 309 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean, my dad idolizes John Jacobs. But you know, 310 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: when I go places in the golf world at a 311 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: golf tournament, if I go to a tournament, if I 312 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: go to the merchandise show, if we go to any club, 313 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: any golf course in the world, everybody knows who my 314 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: dad is. Is that recognizable. I say this as a son, 315 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: but I also say this as someone who has chosen 316 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: to work along in the same business as him, and listen, 317 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: as a father and son. My dad and I have 318 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: not always seen eye to eye. We have not always 319 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: had a great relationship, you know. There we have gone 320 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: through tough times. I love him, and you know, I 321 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: am so proud to call him my dad, But it 322 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: hasn't always been easy. So this is not a fanboy 323 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: podcast where he's my dad, and I'm just gonna talk 324 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: about how Grady is as an instructor, as someone who 325 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: has worked in the same industry. He took three players 326 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: to world number one, I mean, and if you added 327 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: up the years that they were number one in the 328 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: world while they were working with them, I mean, I 329 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: can't even do that math. And I just think that 330 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, the World Golf Hall of Fame 331 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: should have a category for instructors and coaches, and there 332 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: are a lot of guys in my opinion, that should 333 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: be in the World Golf Hall of Fame. I think 334 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: David Ledbitter should be in the World Golf Hall of Fame. 335 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: I think Jim McClain should be in the World Golf 336 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. I think Bob Torrence should be in 337 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: the World Golf Hall of Fame. I think Hank Haney 338 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: should be in the World Golf Hall of Fame. And 339 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: I definitely definitely believe that my dad, Butch Harmon should 340 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: be in the World Golf Hall of Fame. This isn't 341 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: a dis on people that got in. It's not a 342 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: disc that other people got in and he didn't. I 343 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: think everybody that got into the World Golf Hall of 344 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: Fame this year and in the past is unbelievably deserving. 345 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: And um, I think it is a it is a 346 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: feather in the cap. It is a nod. Two recipients 347 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: that get into the World Golf Hall of Fame, that 348 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: that you that you you contributed something as a player, 349 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: as you know, as an organizer, um and from a 350 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: lifetime achievement standpoint. But UM, I just can't, for the 351 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: life of me figure out how my dad, Butcharman is 352 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: not in the World Golf Hall of Fame. UM. The 353 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: list of players that he has worked with, the accomplishments 354 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: those players, UM hired him to help them achieve. He 355 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: did it all. And if we wanted to add up tournaments, 356 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: not just the majors, if we wanted to add up 357 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: tournaments again, I can't count that high. And UM, I 358 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: just I just I hope, and I've I've I've heard 359 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: some things. I mean, I posted a couple of things 360 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: and said that I think he should be in the 361 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: World Golf Hall of Fame. Bill Michelson tweeted that he agreed. 362 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: Hank Haney tweeted that he agreed. I've had so many instructors. 363 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: First of all, when when I posted a couple of 364 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: weeks ago that he got nominated and I thought he 365 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: was deserving, the amount of people that came up to me, players, caddies, coaches, instructors, 366 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 1: other people, they couldn't believe that he already wasn't in 367 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: the World Golf Hall of Fame. And I think if 368 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: we are looking at the World Golf Hall of Fame 369 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: to be a representative or a representation of what the 370 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: fabric of golf is, I can't think of someone that 371 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: is given more to what the fabric of golf is, 372 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: to what the fabric of golf instruction is, to what 373 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: the fabric of golf coaching is. I can't think of 374 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: someone that deserves to be in the World Golf Hall 375 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: of Fame more than him. I think the next time 376 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: he could get in would be in three years time. 377 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: He'll be eighty three by that time. But I just 378 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: I just don't know what the hell these guys were 379 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: looking at. I really don't, and I think it's sad. 380 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: I've heard some things which I hope aren't true. I've 381 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: heard some rumors that maybe it's because he works with 382 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: Harold Varner, and Harold Varner plays on Live. I've also 383 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: heard that he wasn't going to get into the Hall 384 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: of Fame because he's made positive Live comments. The comments 385 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: that my dad has made about Live publicly. He was 386 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: on my podcast talking about it, I saw another podcast, 387 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: heard another podcast that he was on. The comments that 388 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: he made about Live that could be deemed positive or 389 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: pretty much the identical same comments that Rory McElroy made 390 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: at the Players Championship last week, almost identical. So if 391 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: that's the reason, I think that it is a tragedy 392 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: that this is where we are in twenty twenty three, because, 393 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: as I said, the body of work, the players he 394 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: has worked with, the lives he has touched. I tweeted 395 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: and posted on social a couple of weeks ago that 396 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: he had my dad had sacrificed the majority of his 397 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: life to help other people, you know, achieve their dreams, 398 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: and in typical Twitter fashion, became a war about the 399 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: word sacrifice. And you know, he wasn't digging ditches and anything, 400 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: So okay, my father, butch armand has devoted the majority 401 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: of his life to help other people achieve their goals 402 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: and their dreams. Yes he got paid for it, Yes 403 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: he made a lot of money, But last time I looked, 404 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: you're not getting paid a lot of money and people 405 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: aren't knocking on your door if you're not any good 406 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: at what you do. And I hope that in twenty 407 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: in three years time, the whole World Golf Hall of 408 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: Fame rectifies what I see is a massive, massive error. 409 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 1: Because again I'll keep saying this, he should be in. 410 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: I think most people that know anything about the game 411 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: of golf, from the professional level, from the instructor level, 412 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: from a broadcast level, I think everybody would agree that 413 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: my dad, but Charmin should be one hun in the 414 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: World Golf Hall of Fame. I agonized over whether to 415 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: do this, but one of the cool things about having 416 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: your own podcast as you can talk about what you want, 417 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: and it was really upsetting to me, And you know, 418 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: at this stage of my dad's life and this stage 419 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: of my dad's career, I think it would have been 420 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 1: a nice kind of cherry on top to get that 421 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: nod from the World Golf Hall of Fame. So if 422 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: anybody is listening that has a vote, I think you 423 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: need to kind of take a look at yourself in 424 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: the mirror and say, wow, we missed it on this one, 425 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: because in my opinion, when it comes to golf instruction, 426 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: and if there is a mount rushmore of golf instruction, 427 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: it's for damn sure that my dad butch Arman is 428 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: on that. Son of a Buch comes to you every Wednesday. 429 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, rate, review, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. 430 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: We will see you next week.