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Speaker 1: These One Bill's Live, presented by Called Light of Health.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to One Bill's Live. Steve Tasker here, Chris Brown's

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Speaker 1: on vacations. We are pleased to welcome in good friend

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Speaker 1: of the show, CBS Sports Draft analyst Christ Pass. He's

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Speaker 1: going to be with me here today, tomorrow, and Friday,

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Speaker 1: I think right all three the rest of the week.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun. We got a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: to talk about, a lot of stuff going on in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Thanks for coming in, Chris. You you were

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Speaker 1: at the draft with us. We had you on the

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Speaker 1: show over there. Would you think You've been to the

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Speaker 1: draft a bunch? What do you what the combine draft?

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Speaker 1: What do you think about the combine? Uh? It's always

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Speaker 1: really fun from a Bill's perspective. And I'll get right

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Speaker 1: into it. The wide receivers didn't really test as well

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Speaker 1: as a lot of people expected, which probably helps the Bills.

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Speaker 1: Some of those receivers could ultimately slip down the board

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Speaker 1: and late into the first round. But great meeting up

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Speaker 1: in Indie. It's great to be back here in the

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Speaker 1: friendly confines of the studio. Yeah, well, it's good, except

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Speaker 1: the receiver didn't test well because maybe they stink. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and now we get in there, we're stuck drafting one

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Speaker 1: of them. That's always the question. But yeah, the combine

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Speaker 1: is a lot of fun because we touch base with

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Speaker 1: so many people. You see all the people you know,

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Speaker 1: and you get a touch base with all your CBS

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Speaker 1: sports guys, um, which is, you know, something I always

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Speaker 1: enjoy doing. But the combine winds up. There's always a

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Speaker 1: few things. And you know, Bryce Young, is he big enough?

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Speaker 1: Is he tall enough? He's the exact same height as

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Speaker 1: Lamar as Kyler Murray, which is shocking to me because

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Speaker 1: Connor Murray looks short, Yeah he does, and Bryce Young

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Speaker 1: is not. Only he's short, looks skinny thin, two hundred

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Speaker 1: know the answer. What is he going to weigh at

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Speaker 1: his pro day? Probably not. Yeah, he's hiding something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like you said, Kyler Murray looked short and compact, Bryce

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Speaker 1: Yeah he is. Yeah, So all that stuff happens that

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Speaker 1: the combine was fun, it's great to be there. A

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff is happening. Of course, yesterday Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: was put the non exclusive franchise tag by the Baltimore

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Speaker 1: Ravens and now the Ravens. I've done this before. They

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Speaker 1: did it with Terrell Suggs, Helodi, Nada, Ray Rice, Justin Tucker,

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Speaker 1: the Kicker, all great players. Most of those, every single

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Speaker 1: one of them in fact, signed a long term deal

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Speaker 1: before the next season was up. And it whether it

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Speaker 1: was the franchise tag or the non exclusive franchise tag,

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Speaker 1: which this one is for Lamar. It doesn't surprise. We

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Speaker 1: saw it coming. I mean they had to do it.

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Speaker 1: They were gonna get a deal done. Lamar wasn't gonna

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Speaker 1: budge and neither were the raven So you had to

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Speaker 1: do the deal. A handful of teams came out and

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Speaker 1: I mean. There's some people on you know, ESPN and

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Speaker 1: some of the animalsts are going, Wow, this is unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: How could they How could we do it that quick?

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Speaker 1: It had to be collusion. Well, everybody knew it was

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. They were all ready for it. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Or maybe some of these teams are in that conversation. Now, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. He's former MVP, just turned twenty six years old.

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Speaker 1: Certainly a lot of teams would love to have him

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Speaker 1: fascinating situation and one of the biggest dominoes at the

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Speaker 1: fascinating about this is the timing of Lamar Jackson playing

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Speaker 1: Since then, Lamar Jackson has been a probably top half

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Speaker 1: But you're right, this has been a team that has

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Speaker 1: more for Lamar Jackson when he they made him the

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Speaker 1: Now Greg Roman's not good enough. Um, now you're saying, no,

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Speaker 1: a very good quarterback. Do I think he is deserving

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. Two hundred and thirty million fully guaranteed. No,

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Speaker 1: or if if on the other hand, if the Ravens

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Speaker 1: a full season, that's different than it is saying listen,

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Speaker 1: think that Watson deal, that Watson deal really threw a

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Speaker 1: reunite with his former coach Dennis Allen down there in

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Speaker 1: New Orleans, suddenly you're like, we need Aaron Rodgers or

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Speaker 1: are we gonna land with Jimmy Garoppolo or hope that

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Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill gets caught. You need to do a full

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Speaker 1: court press to bring Aaron Rodgers here. I think he's

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Speaker 1: scarier in the AFC East than Derek Carr. But at

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Speaker 1: this point, Aaron Rodgers has all the leverage with the

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Speaker 1: New York Jets, and the Green Bay Packers have a

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Speaker 1: ton of leverage to say, hey, we want a huge

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Speaker 1: draft pick compensation package to bring Aaron Rodgers from Green

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Speaker 1: Bay to New York. Yeah, I agree, no question, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm making that happen. If I'm the Jets, I think

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Speaker 1: I think it's a great I think it's a great

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Speaker 1: move for them. I think he upgrades them immediately, that

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Speaker 1: they're a better football team roster from the quarterback down

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Speaker 1: even without Rogers and compared to someon to Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: I think that that's interesting that Lamar Jackson saga, this

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers thing, we're gonna see some We're gonna see

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Speaker 1: that happen pretty quickly. I think if it does happen,

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of fun to watch. Last thing this

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Speaker 1: I came across this, I want to see what you

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Speaker 1: think about this. So Aaron Rodgers in the NFC North

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Speaker 1: Green Bay, Minnesota, Detroit, Chicago, and I'm going on record

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Speaker 1: to say in Detroit and Chicago are the reason Brett

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Speaker 1: fav and Aaron Rodgers are in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: I mean they're they're just they're non competitive at times,

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Speaker 1: with the exception of this year when the Detroit and

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Speaker 1: they call it a lightning in a bottle, their their

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Speaker 1: offense kind of caught fire. I read this. The Chicago

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Speaker 1: Bears are one hundred million dollars under the cat and

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Speaker 1: if the CBA were worded differently, the Bears would be

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Speaker 1: in danger of not having spent enough money on their

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Speaker 1: payroll to the cap floor they calculated over the last

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Speaker 1: three years that makes the Bears eligible. They didn't get

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Speaker 1: there this year, so that means they've got to spend

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Speaker 1: over the next couple of years to get there. Now

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of money. Now, you know, if they

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Speaker 1: like Field, justin Fields and they're going to sign him,

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Speaker 1: that that'll help. But that's not gonna be enough unless

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Speaker 1: they give him two hundred and thirty six million per year. Right,

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Speaker 1: So the Bears, aside from all this caps the Bears

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Speaker 1: are a hundred million dollars under the cap. And the

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Speaker 1: guy written Andrew Brandt, who used to run the Packers,

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Speaker 1: he said, listen, he goes every team gets up check

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Speaker 1: for four hundred million dollars before they even turn the

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Speaker 1: lights on. And the Bears are one hundred million under

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Speaker 1: the cap. And you kind of start wondering, what are

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Speaker 1: they doing? I mean, what's there? Do they have a plan?

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Speaker 1: And then it dawned on me this the Bears are

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Speaker 1: trying to get a new stadium going. Yeah, and the Bears,

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Speaker 1: the McCaskey family, whatever else, they're into the Bears are

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Speaker 1: their thing. That's they're in the industry. They don't They're

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Speaker 1: not like Robert Kraft who was in packaging, and and

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Speaker 1: David Tepper who was in you know, the Hedge Fund,

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Speaker 1: and you know all these other owners who came to

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Speaker 1: the NFL. They are one of the old families. You know.

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Speaker 1: They're from the Hollis family. That mister Hollis's daughter is

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Speaker 1: married to McCaskey. All right, So so this is their thing.

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Speaker 1: So they've got to save up to pitch in to

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Speaker 1: get a stadium built. And they've already optioned the land

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Speaker 1: north of Chicago's northwest of Chicago, Yes, Arlington Heights at

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Speaker 1: the Raceway. They've already kind of optioned that. So that

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Speaker 1: may be an inkling of where they're headed for that.

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Speaker 1: But they're think about your how hard has it been

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Speaker 1: to be a Bears fan? First of all, very difficult.

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Speaker 1: Now look at it, it's even more difficult. And usually

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Speaker 1: we don't see that in the NFL, that a team

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Speaker 1: is this far under the salary cap one hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 1: They have a bunch of draft picks at that point.

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Speaker 1: If you look almost every year at the teams that

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Speaker 1: don't have a lot of cap space, those are the

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Speaker 1: teams that are usually the best teams in football. Whether

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Speaker 1: they're paying a young quarterback of veteran they have, you know,

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Speaker 1: brought in some high quality free agents. If you're one

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars under the cap, I don't care if

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Speaker 1: you're the best drafting team in the league, you are

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Speaker 1: at a significant disadvantage. And I think tying back to

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers that's certainly helped him even as he's won

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Speaker 1: these multiple MVPs late in his career. Yeah, and it's

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Speaker 1: it's amazing to think about how wide ranging are you got,

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Speaker 1: Like a team like New Orleans, who's a gazillion dollars

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Speaker 1: kicking the camp Don road over the cap. The Bears

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Speaker 1: are one hundred one hundred million dollars of cap space.

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Speaker 1: They have zero top end markets contracts, veteran contracts to

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Speaker 1: deal with, no quarterback to pay yet because Justin Fields

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Speaker 1: is only coming into his third year. I mean, all

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Speaker 1: that stuff is, you know, speaks to a team that

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Speaker 1: somebody's making money over there. Yeah, and and it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not the players. Yeah. And with the whole stadium

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Speaker 1: aspect of it. It's kind of like the gelling of

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Speaker 1: one side of running a franchise, where if you're the owners,

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Speaker 1: you're probably first and foremost thinking about that stadium deal.

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Speaker 1: We've certainly seen to hear in Buffalo. If you're new

518
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Speaker 1: GM Ryan Poles, you want as much draft capital and

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Speaker 1: money to build your team into a quality roster. So

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Speaker 1: that could be maybe some you know, two heads kind

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Speaker 1: of banging each other and saying, hey, look like we

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Speaker 1: want to save money for the stadium, but then the

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Speaker 1: GM saying, hey, I need to build this team up

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Speaker 1: entering a year two as being in the GM. Steve Chasker,

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Speaker 1: Chris Trepasso, We're gonna take a break right here. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna come back. We're gonna talk about one more free age.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Tremaine Edmonds in the next segment,

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Speaker 1: about what we think may happen to him, how important

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Speaker 1: he is to the Bills, what he's done for the Bills,

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Speaker 1: and why it looks like he may not be back

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Speaker 1: good or bad. Steve Tasker Chris Trapasso on Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 1: This is One Bills Live. Welcome back to One Bill's Life.

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Chris Trapasso. We spent the last the first

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Speaker 1: segment of the show talking about it the stuff's going

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Speaker 1: on with Lamar Jackson and Aaron Rodgers, Daniel Jones, and

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Speaker 1: we kind of want to get back and spend a

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Speaker 1: little bit more time talking about the Bills issues with

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Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmonds, and I wanted to focus on Tremaine and

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Speaker 1: not and not throw Jordan Poyer into that mix, because

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Speaker 1: those are the two prominent free agents that may go

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Speaker 1: away just because of the finances of the league and

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Speaker 1: where the Bills are in the positions they play. I

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Speaker 1: have said here Chris that I think I think Tremaine

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Speaker 1: may sign the biggest off the ball linebacker deal in

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Speaker 1: the history of the league. He's a free agent, he's

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Speaker 1: twenties five years old, just coming into his prime. He's

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Speaker 1: a six year veteran in the league. He's led a

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Speaker 1: top five defense four out of the five years he's

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Speaker 1: been or five out of the six years he's been there,

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Speaker 1: and has he's you know, he's a difference maker. He's

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Speaker 1: been the guy in the middle of that defense since

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Speaker 1: the day he was drafted when he was nineteen. For

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Speaker 1: the record, he's a physically bigger, longer athlete than most

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Speaker 1: guys who play the position, and when teams play the Bills,

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Speaker 1: he's a problem now. He's been polarizing for Bills fans

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Speaker 1: because the one thing if you can say you know

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Speaker 1: something about him, one thing you got to say is

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Speaker 1: he doesn't seem to be instinctive go get the ball,

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Speaker 1: see the ball, get it that kind of thing. He

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00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: just doesn't read and react. He does what he's supposed

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Speaker 1: to do all the time, which is not a bad thing.

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Speaker 1: It just leaves some plays out there for Bills fans,

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Speaker 1: some plays that seem obvious even to a casual fan.

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Speaker 1: Tremaine missus or perceived to be missed. Have he said

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Speaker 1: all of that. The Bills would love to have the

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Speaker 1: guy back, and I know there's a ton of interest

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Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, I think they're going to offer him

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Speaker 1: a pretty big deal. But to your first point, I

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Speaker 1: think it's spot on that he is probably able to

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Speaker 1: get the biggest off the ball mark or off ball

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Speaker 1: linebacker contract on the open market. And look no further

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Speaker 1: than who's at the top right now. Roquan Smith Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 1: Same draft class has not been as good as Tremaine

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Speaker 1: adminds he was good in Chicago, not great. It was

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Speaker 1: kind of the same deal, Like he was nationally viewed

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Speaker 1: as a quality player at the second level. Bears fans thought, Okay,

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Speaker 1: he's good, he's not great. Gets traded to the Baltimore

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Speaker 1: Ravens last year and was lights out. He's not as

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Speaker 1: big as Tremaine Admins, He's as good in coverage as

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Speaker 1: Tremaine Adminds. So, and he's older than Tremaine Admunds. So

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Speaker 1: I think would Edmund's love to resign here? Probably? And

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Speaker 1: are the bill is going to offer him something that

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Speaker 1: is competitive and that makes sense in most situations. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think Brandon Bean being his second draft pick in

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Speaker 1: that first round in twenty eighteen, right after Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: the sixteenth pick, Yes, he would like to retain him,

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Speaker 1: and it's not going to be a low ball offer.

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Speaker 1: But because of all the points that I just laid out,

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Speaker 1: the comparison to Rokuan Smith at twenty million per year,

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Speaker 1: that is at the top of that market. Now, I

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Speaker 1: think Edmonds can point to a bunch of different reasons

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Speaker 1: why he should get more than that, and maybe a

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Speaker 1: team like the Chicago Bears will ultimately say, hey, look

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Speaker 1: we just lost Rokuan Smith. Let's sign you Tremaine Edmonds

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Speaker 1: to a much bigger deal, and at that point we

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Speaker 1: just talked about they have the money and at that point,

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Speaker 1: for as good as Tremaine Edmonds is, and I think

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Speaker 1: you did a good job laying out kind of the

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Speaker 1: whole scouting report on him five years into his career,

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Speaker 1: You're right that he's not as as instinctive as Matt Milano,

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Speaker 1: doesn't make as many splash plays, and you're already paying

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Speaker 1: Matt Milano over ten million per seasons, So then if

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Speaker 1: the Bills do resign him over thirty million dollars per year.

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Speaker 1: At the linebacker spot in today's NFL, I know Sean

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Speaker 1: McDermott loves linebackers from his time in Carolina with Luke

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Speaker 1: Keikley and Thomas Davis and Jack Thompson, a lot of

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Speaker 1: good players at that position. But in today's NFL, you've

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Speaker 1: got to be able to rush the passer and cover,

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Speaker 1: and I think linebackers matter, but they might not be

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Speaker 1: as valuable as other positions. As Brandon Bean has to

611
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Speaker 1: try to navigate building this roster with that big quarterback

612
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Speaker 1: contract on it, it just might not make fiscal sense

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Speaker 1: for the Bills to have over thirty or close to

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Speaker 1: thirty five million dollars tied up at linebacker. Yeah you

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Speaker 1: think listen, not for nothing. Milan is the one who

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Speaker 1: is all pro. Yeah, true, and they're getting him for

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Speaker 1: ten a year. Tremaine's not an all pro. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: get Yeah, he's gonna get upwards at least fifty. I

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Speaker 1: think the Bills would probably off from fifteen maybe into eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Anything he's gonna get, he's gonna get more than that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he's gonna get a ton guaranteed. Um never misses

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Speaker 1: any time, So I you know, it's just for everything

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Speaker 1: he's done for the club. And I mean it's not

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Speaker 1: like he's you know, hasn't done anything or the club

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00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: hasn't anything for him either, But no question about it. Um,

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Speaker 1: that is a guy. I think Tremaine Edmonds is probably

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Speaker 1: signed in the first twelve hours a free agency, yeah,

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Speaker 1: right away. Yeah. I think that we'll probably get word

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Speaker 1: as soon as the the tampering period opens up the

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Speaker 1: two days before it actually signed a contract, we'll hear

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Speaker 1: words about it. And I'm actually kind of like the

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Speaker 1: perfect person to have on for this being a draft guy,

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Speaker 1: not saying that I'm always right with these evaluations, but

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Speaker 1: the perfect idea that I think what the Bills will

635
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: ultimately have to explore is going the draft route at linebacker.

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Speaker 1: And it's easy. Tremaine Edmunds, like you said, he has

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Speaker 1: been the quarterback of the defense since he was nineteen

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Speaker 1: years old and two eighteen, has not missed a lot

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Speaker 1: of time, has become a very good player. It's easy

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Speaker 1: for a front office, coaching staff and fans to kind

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Speaker 1: of have this connection to this player that's been there

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Speaker 1: for so long, played so many snaps like Tremaine Edmunds.

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Speaker 1: But there is a draft. There's always good linebackers in

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Speaker 1: the draft. Tremaine Edmonds was just a guy in the

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Speaker 1: draft that no one knew, a nineteen year old in

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. Jack Campbell from Iowa is a name to know,

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Speaker 1: very similarly size to Tremaine Edmunds, very good in coverage,

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Speaker 1: and he's gonna cost probably one sixth of what Tremaine

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Speaker 1: Edmunds will ultimately get on the market. This is the

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Speaker 1: time of the team building process that again Brandon Bean

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Speaker 1: has to navigate and say, all right, I can get

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Speaker 1: someone at fifteen percent of Tremaine Edmund's money. Who's going

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Speaker 1: to give me more than fifteen percent of Tremaine Edmund's

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Speaker 1: production on the field. So the Bills their scouting department,

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Speaker 1: Brandon Bean's been flying all over the country all season

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Speaker 1: to watch these players. Trent and Sibson from Clemson is

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Speaker 1: su athletic, was a big recruit there. Diane Henley from

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Speaker 1: Washington State also very athletic, good in coverage, big linebacker. Two.

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Speaker 1: There's guys out there in the draft that are way chief.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this, if you want to know the guys

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Speaker 1: who have the best chance of getting drafted as an

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Speaker 1: as an off the ball linebacker by Buffalo Um, you

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Speaker 1: got to start with guys like Jack Campbell because because

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Speaker 1: of the traits, he's six five and two thirty plus

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Speaker 1: and he tested well. You're they're looking for guys that

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Speaker 1: don't look for the guys that are six five, two

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Speaker 1: seventy five because those are linebackers, edge rushers. You're looking

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Speaker 1: for a guy that stands up over the middle of

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Speaker 1: the ball and looks at the quarterback, covers tight ends,

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Speaker 1: covers tight ends, runs down the field. So there's you know,

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Speaker 1: there's some guys out there. But if you're looking for

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Speaker 1: a guy that the Bills would like, that's where you start.

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Speaker 1: Look at how high they how tall they are. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then they want guys with some physical traits. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they've certainly kind of had this prototype that it's physical

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Speaker 1: traits its athleticism. And I think to throw in again

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Speaker 1: and to kind of go back to Jack Campbell, who

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Speaker 1: I think could be a first or a second round target.

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Speaker 1: He checks those boxes, but he's also a good football

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Speaker 1: player too, and that a lot of times with some

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Speaker 1: of these other picks, with a Dawson Knox, with a

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Speaker 1: Spencer Brown, even at Gregory Rousseau, the Bills have had

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Speaker 1: faith in the traits. But with Jack Campbell, you get size,

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Speaker 1: you get athleticism, and you get high level production against

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Speaker 1: the run and in coverage. And then suddenly he's giving

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Speaker 1: you eighty to ninety percent of Tremaine Edmunds at a

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Speaker 1: much lower cost. By November, Bill's fans are not really

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Speaker 1: thinking about Tremainett Redmans anymore. That's how it just works

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Speaker 1: and in the NFL today, right, So yeah, and so

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Speaker 1: I think both of us kind of see the Tremaine

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Speaker 1: Edmonds thing is just a question of time, just waiting

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Speaker 1: till March seventeenth to see when that happens and where

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Speaker 1: he goes and who's really interested. It'll be interesting to see.

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Speaker 1: One of the other things I want to get too

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Speaker 1: bright before before we take this break. You got this.

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Speaker 1: You gotta mac. You just released a mock draft. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I gotta talk about it because it's great. I love

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Speaker 1: this season because of the mock draft stuff and this

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Speaker 1: draft and this is the best. This is the best part.

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Speaker 1: He said. Okay, this is what it's gonna be like.

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Speaker 1: If Aaron Rodgers gets traded to the New York Jets,

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Speaker 1: if Lamar Jackson goes to Atlanta, if Atlanta puts in

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Speaker 1: the offer on Lamar, sends the two ones to Baltimore

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Speaker 1: and gets Lamar in return, and Jimmy Garoppolo goes to

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Speaker 1: the Raiders, and right and Ryan Tannehill leaves Tennessee and

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Speaker 1: goes to Baltimore to replace Jackson, the stopcap stopcap guy.

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Speaker 1: So if all four of those things happen, Rogers, Jackson, Garoppolo,

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Speaker 1: and Tannehill, if all those moves happen, this is where

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Speaker 1: your your mock draft goes. Interestingly enough, and then there's

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Speaker 1: some stuff going on at the top of the draft

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Speaker 1: as well. Round one, you've got the Colts trading up

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Speaker 1: taking Anthony Richardson as the first pick of the draft,

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Speaker 1: not Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson the trade guy. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: to me is really interesting because I will always call

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Speaker 1: it now in the current point in history, I'd call

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Speaker 1: it the Josh Allen. It is a guy who doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem to be able to throw the football accurately. Is

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Speaker 1: a completion percentage, isn't what you wanted to be At

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Speaker 1: the college level, he didn't dominate, but he's got elite

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Speaker 1: physical traits and he wowed some people with his physical

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Speaker 1: testing at the combine, and that rockets him up the

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Speaker 1: board and they say, well, why not, why can't we

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Speaker 1: have this guy? Br Josh Allen. Yeah, just to speak

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Speaker 1: on this quickly to summarize my thought here, Colts head

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Speaker 1: coach Shane Styke, in their new head coach where they

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Speaker 1: had just hired, was in Philadelphia the last two years,

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Speaker 1: and he didn't have someone with the athletic and physical

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Speaker 1: traits of Anthony Richardson. He's a pretty rare guy. He's

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Speaker 1: the closest thing to Josh Allen that we've seen since

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen entered the league in twenty eighteen, but he

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Speaker 1: did help develop Jalen Hurts into an MVP candidate. A

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Speaker 1: lot of designed runs, a lot of RPOs. Is Jalen

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Speaker 1: Hurts a quarterback that is going to read coverages and

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Speaker 1: be pinpoint accurate. No, but he's gotten by and become

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Speaker 1: one of the league's better young quarterbacks under Shane Stykeen

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Speaker 1: because of those athletic traits. That's why I think the

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Speaker 1: Colts will prefer Anthony Richardson over Bryceyon. And here's one

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Speaker 1: of the things you had to remember too. This is

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Speaker 1: also one of the benefits you've gotten from guys like

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Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes and Lamar Jackson Josh Allen is the fact

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Speaker 1: that with the athleticism and the ability to run, and

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Speaker 1: the way the Giants used Daniel Jones this year, their

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Speaker 1: ability to run gives you more ways to get first

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Speaker 1: downs and keep the guy on the field and have

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Speaker 1: more success as a team when the guy's really not

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Speaker 1: ready to throw it every down. Now I get a

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Speaker 1: guy like Joe Burrow who can drop back every throw

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Speaker 1: and he's ready for that, or Justin Herbert even who's

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Speaker 1: a little better than that. Even to this point, the

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Speaker 1: Chargers never asked Herbert to run the football. He'll scramble

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Speaker 1: once in a while. But having a guy like Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: mahomes Lamar Jackson, you can name others who you know

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Speaker 1: who can scoot around and teams using that with Kyler Murray,

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Speaker 1: it gives you a bigger margin of error in your

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Speaker 1: offense so that you can give the guy more time

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Speaker 1: be successful earlier, show the guy can actually play and

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Speaker 1: what he can do to the casual fan and the ownership,

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Speaker 1: so they say, okay, all right, I see it. Let's

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Speaker 1: go and keep them building around him, rather than coming

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Speaker 1: in like a Zach Wilson and absolutely having it all

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Speaker 1: go up in your face. Yeah, and I think offensively,

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Speaker 1: in terms of schematics, you can just do a lot more.

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Speaker 1: You can say, hey, look, you're not ready to be

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Speaker 1: this forty attempt per game quarterback. Let's have you run

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Speaker 1: the ball a little bit. Let's run that quarterback power

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Speaker 1: that we've seen with Josh Allen, or a quarterback sweep,

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Speaker 1: and then for the quarterback himself. We saw it early

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Speaker 1: in Josh Allen's career, before he really took that step

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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen and then the big leap in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty when he didn't like what he would see after

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Speaker 1: dropping back, what would he do? Take off and run.

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Speaker 1: It happened with the Shawn Watson, it happened with Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 1: All these athletic quarterbacks, as they are learning and acclimating

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Speaker 1: to the speed of the NFL, they lean on their

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Speaker 1: legs early on and pick up those first downs in

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Speaker 1: critical situations. So not for nothing. So we've talked about

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Speaker 1: the guy first pick of the draft being Richardson. Who

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Speaker 1: you've got the Bills taking? Is Rashi Rice wide receiver

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Speaker 1: at SMU six two two h three, A big, big

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Speaker 1: wide receiver, wide receiver? What about him? So he jumped

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Speaker 1: forty one inches in the vertical so at his size

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Speaker 1: that you just listed that explosion. That was the one

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Speaker 1: concern with Rashi Rice coming into the combine. How explosive

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Speaker 1: is he is? He a little bit slow? He ran

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Speaker 1: four or five one, which seems on the slower side,

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Speaker 1: but at six one six two hundred and five pounds,

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Speaker 1: he's one of the bigger wide receivers in this class.

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Speaker 1: Answered the questions about his explosiveness and emphatically with that

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Speaker 1: forty one inch vertical. He just feels like what the

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Speaker 1: Bills need on this roster. They need someone that can

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Speaker 1: play on the perimeter. He wins after the catch because

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Speaker 1: he's kind of built like a running back and those

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Speaker 1: contested catch situations. You put on any game over the

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Speaker 1: last two years at SMU, you will see at least

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Speaker 1: one or two or three of the difficult catches in

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Speaker 1: traffic made by Rashi Rice. He's kind of different from

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Speaker 1: a lot of the other receivers in this class that

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Speaker 1: all measured in and weighed in a little bit lighter

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Speaker 1: than expected. He is an NFL caliber body right now.

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Speaker 1: That would help this offense a lot, all right, wrote

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Speaker 1: Rashi Rice. Rashi Rice, Rashi Rice. It's another name for

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Speaker 1: Bills fans to go back. Check it out, look at

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Speaker 1: his highlights on YouTube. See what you think about. You

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00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: can give us a call if you want. But Chris

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Speaker 1: Trapasso has Rashi Rice from SMU going to the Bills

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Speaker 1: in his latest mock draft. Just one more guy to

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Speaker 1: look at for all the Bills fans. We're gonna take

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Speaker 1: a break, I'm gonna come back. It is International Women's Day.

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Speaker 1: We've got a package we'd like to show you. That

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Speaker 1: after the break. This is Chris Trapasso Steve Tasker on

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Speaker 1: One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 1: As we honor International Women's Day, we take a look

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Speaker 1: at those right here on the Bill's staff that are

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Speaker 1: making an impact and paving the way for the future

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Speaker 1: of women in sports and the NFL our very own

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Speaker 1: player personnel coordinator, Andrea Gosper joined NFL Network and details

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Speaker 1: the conversation that led her to working for the Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bills and so much more. Here they are and now

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Speaker 1: we're celebrating Women's History Month with Andy Gosper, the player

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Speaker 1: personnel coordinator for the Buffalo Bills. And a busy time

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Speaker 1: of the year right now. You just got off the

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Speaker 1: plane from Indianapolis. But that's where you got started with

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Speaker 1: the Bills. Tell us about the conversation that led to

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Speaker 1: you being a Buffalo Bill. Yeah. So, I had the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to attend the Women's Career in Football Forum in

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. I went there, got to meet so many

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Speaker 1: amazing women, including those of us who are looking to

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Speaker 1: get into the next level and they I was able

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Speaker 1: to meet with Brandon Mean and are then assistant general

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Speaker 1: manager Joe Shane, who is now the general manager of

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Speaker 1: the New York Giants, and we kind of talked about

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Speaker 1: how I could fit in, what areas, what areas I

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Speaker 1: was interested in, and we talked, and I got a

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Speaker 1: call a few months later from Joe asking me if

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Speaker 1: I wanted to come on with him in the scouting department.

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Speaker 1: And getting that actual call Andy, because you had you

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Speaker 1: had the opportunity, there were paths diverging. You were actually

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Speaker 1: on the field playing softball at the time. Can you

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Speaker 1: take us through that moment a little bit. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: we were in one of our games and I played

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Speaker 1: center field, So I was in the outfield and I

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Speaker 1: always keep my Apple Watch dat I could like to

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Speaker 1: track everything and I looked down, I felt felt their vibratee.

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Speaker 1: I looked down and all I said was Joe Shane,

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. I got really excited, so my heart was pumping.

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Speaker 1: So once we got three outs, ran in called him

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Speaker 1: right back, and that's how it happens, really crazy, and

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Speaker 1: through the conversations. Obviously with the women in sports form,

849
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: there's so many different avenues right to become a part

850
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: of the NFL. But that process did that make you

851
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: believe that the Bill's organization in the league would be

852
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: accepting of having a woman climbed through the ranks and

853
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: obtained whatever goal ultimately that you want to accomplish. Oh. Absolutely.

854
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: You know. There were so many people there from different

855
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 1: from different places, and they wanted to go into different

856
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 1: areas within the team. So there was people who wanted

857
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: to go into scouting who were originally in recruiting. There

858
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: are people who want to go into ops. There were

859
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: coaches there as well. We had strength people wanted to

860
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: get into strength conditioning. There were so many avenues represented

861
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: in that one room, and it was just awesome to

862
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: see and just meet everybody. And for me, it was

863
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: awesome just to talk to everybody to figure out what

864
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to do because I came in not specifically

865
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: knowing the avenue that I want to go down, just

866
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: that I wanted to be in the NFL. And so

867
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: now you're in this position where you're essentially coordinating the

868
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: off season and all the twists and turns when it

869
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: comes to college scouting, all star games. How do you

870
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: even go about starting to plan these things? You just

871
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: kind of go with it, you know, I had a

872
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: great person in front of me, Tyler Pratt, who is

873
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: now our Southeast Area Scout. So I really just came

874
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: in right behind him as an intern, and he showed

875
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: me the ropes. He walked me through everything, and we

876
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: kind of grew together. And so he's just been a great,

877
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: a great mentor to me. I still call him now

878
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: asking questions what did he do in this situation, But yeah,

879
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: he was really the one that showed me the ropes

880
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: and showed me how to go. Well. Andy, congratulations, looking

881
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: forward to now going into season five and all the

882
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: twists and turns there, and good luck to you guys.

883
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure we're going through a busy draft season. Thanks

884
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: for spending time with us. That was Andy Gosper on

885
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: NFL today, And in honor of International Women's Day, you

886
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: see there the photograph of the women that work here

887
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: in the building every day. It's a great atmosphere in

888
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: our building. And I got to really tip my hat

889
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: to Terry Pagoula and Kim and the executive branch of

890
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: the organization. The atmosphere here one Bill's drive has been

891
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: inspirational to me. It's been great, a great place to work,

892
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: a great atmosphere and highlighted by the diversity and the

893
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: women and men who work together every day to get

894
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: things done. It's it's really cool. It's really cool. Yeah,

895
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: and Brandon Bean was actually part of the panel at

896
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: the Combine, a league wide panel about doing just that,

897
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: about highlighting and empowering women in the NFL. So not

898
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: every coach, not every GM did it, but Brandon Bean

899
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 1: was part of that panel in Indianapolis, which was really cool.

900
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: So thank you for that. Congratulation to Andrea Gosper and

901
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna be back. Take a break. One Bill's Live

902
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: is going to return right after this. Jim Nagee of

903
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, fresh off the Combine. We're gonna get

904
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: his take on what some of his players that came

905
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: out of the Senior Bowl and what they did at

906
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: the combine. Steve Tasker Chris Trapasso here on One Bill's

907
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: Live presented by Collida Health. This is Buffalo Bills Radio.

908
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: Please One Bills Live presented by Callida Health. Welcome back

909
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: to One of Thills Lives. Steve Tasker Chris Trapasso here.

910
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: Please to be joined now by the president and director

911
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: Top Guy at the Senior Bowl. Executive Director Jim Nagi

912
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: joins the show. Jim, thanks so much for joining us.

913
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: Chris Trapasso, Steve Tasker here, and I gotta say, we

914
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: just got back from the Combine and we always go

915
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: through this, but this year it really seems like the

916
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, the thing that you run and kind of

917
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: get off the ground, really seems to be one of

918
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: those things that top prospects need to check off their list.

919
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: The design displayed desire to play in that game says

920
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: something to NFL scouts and head coaches that really goes

921
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: a long way for a lot of these players. Is

922
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: that true? I hope so, Steve. I hope all the

923
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: hard work we've put in over the last five years

924
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: is starting to starting to get that way. I mean,

925
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl has been a great game for a

926
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: long long time. You know, we've had one hundred and

927
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: eighty one first round picks since the year two thousand.

928
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: No other All Star game has had one, so you know,

929
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: it's been a great game. I just think we've utilized

930
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: social media to try to connect with these players, helping

931
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: our recruiting. You did see it a lot more at

932
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: the Combine this year. I've heard it a lot more

933
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: at the Combine and even the Combine coverage. You know,

934
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: you would have thought I paid dj to and Rich

935
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: Eysen to drop Senior Bowl bunch, but if we didn't,

936
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: But no, there was a lot of clips of Senior

937
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: Bowl practice and everything. And I do think back to

938
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: your point um of you know, just putting myself back

939
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: in the NFL and trying to really gauge like how

940
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: many which of these guys love football. I think it's

941
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: getting harder and harder for these clubs. And I think

942
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: when the guys come to the Senior Bowl and are

943
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 1: willing to put themselves out there, that makes a statement man,

944
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: that they that they really love it. And then they

945
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: you know, guys that play in the game. We lost

946
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: some guys the last couple of years and didn't didn't

947
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: want to play in the game. But you see, you

948
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: see your way through the entire week. I mean, you're

949
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: making a clear statement to these NFL teams how much

950
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: you love ball, because I mean it's important right now

951
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: and it's also important four or five years from now

952
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: when these guys reach free agency. In these terms, are

953
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: these teams are trying to figure out, Okay, what's what's

954
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: going to happen to the work ethic part of it

955
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: once we pay them, right, And Steve, I know you

956
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: had teammates. You saw this a lot when you were

957
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: in the league. Guys get paid and their their production

958
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: drops off, right, their work ethic drops off. So I

959
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: think I think these guys are all making a statement

960
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: when they come to Mobile. Yeah, Jim follow up to that. Me,

961
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: as a draft analyst, first and foremost, I'm always fascinated

962
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: by the job that you and your predecessor Phil Savage

963
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: did finding these Division three fcs, Division two guys to

964
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: bring into the Senior Bowl that don't just play well

965
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: during that we could practice, but ultimately become really good players.

966
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: Taron Johnson being one of them here in Buffalo, Can

967
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: you kind of just summarize how you and your scouting

968
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: department starts really early and is able to find someone

969
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: like a Kyle Dugger or a Tarren Johnson and ultimately

970
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: can identify that they're good enough to be in the

971
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl but also good enough to be quality NFL

972
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: players once they're drafted. Right, Chris Well, First of all, Man,

973
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: we've never met face to face, but you do a

974
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: great job with all the draft stuff. I gotta say that,

975
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: thank you. We could go on love seeing your stuff. Yeah,

976
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: Spencer Brown's another one up there in Buffalo from Northern

977
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: Iowa a couple of years ago. I'll say this, it's

978
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: about relationships, you know. And Phil was in the NFL

979
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: a long time before he sat in this chair, and

980
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: I was too. And again, we're not gonna we're not

981
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: gonna be able to dig out the Quinn Miners out

982
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: of Wisconsin Whitewater or ben Bartch from you know Division

983
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: three school Saint John's in Minnesota without help from buddies

984
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: around the league. Now, well, we'll start every year, and

985
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: we've already started the process for twenty twenty four. We'll

986
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: look at all the returning starters at the FBS level.

987
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: That's kind of where we start. But for those lower levels,

988
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: we go through all American lists and all conference lists.

989
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 1: But but a lot of times it's a phone call.

990
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: A lot of times it's a phone call from a

991
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: buddy that you've been in the league with a long time, like,

992
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: you know, hey, Jimmy, you better, you better take a

993
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: look at this guy from you know, Lenora, Ryan for instance,

994
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: So that the Seahawks combine scout Ryan Florence, who I

995
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: was in Seattle with. He's the He was the Combine

996
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: scout that went into Hickory, North Carolina for the first

997
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: time and saw Kyle Duggerum and he's like, man, I

998
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: just I just measured a kid that six zo two

999
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: h two hundred and twenty pounds and he just ran

1000
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: four four three for me. Jim, you gotta take a

1001
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: look at this guy. So um, Yes, sir, we really

1002
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: lean into our relationships quite a bit. So I gotta

1003
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: give the NFL guys a lot of credit for helping us.

1004
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: One of the things that makes the Senior Bowl different,

1005
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: particularly for coaches, not just scouts, but coaches, is the practices.

1006
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: I mean, the coaches are down there, they're standing there

1007
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: watching these drills, and certainly there's a staff that's running

1008
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 1: these guys through their paces. But being able to listen

1009
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: and to watch these players practice up close tells guys

1010
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: who do that for a living a lot about these players.

1011
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: The Bills. Since twenty seventeen, the Bills have taken sixteen

1012
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: guys in the draft from the Senior Bowl. That's forty

1013
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: three percent of the guys that the Bills picked in

1014
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: the draft are from the Senior Bowl, and they also

1015
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: signed four understricted undrafted free agents from the from the

1016
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. It really the atmosphere that you created. And

1017
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: to ask you this, I know the players are a

1018
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: big part of it. Getting those guys that you know

1019
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: which players should be there, can you get them to play?

1020
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: Who's going to coach the game is a lot of it.

1021
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: But there's also something else about the Senior Bowl that

1022
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: makes it special, and that's the atmosphere on the field

1023
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: during the week. How do you how do you you know,

1024
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: cultivate that to make it exactly what you want it.

1025
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: It's just hyper competitive and these teams are trying to

1026
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: see these guys in the really competitive moments. I'll give

1027
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: the Bills a lot of credit. Man, they they come

1028
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: down here in full force. Brandon Bean's down here every year,

1029
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: down on the field in the middle of these drills.

1030
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: And again it's the little things that you can't pick

1031
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: up on the college tape. It's you know, when you're

1032
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: up in the one on one O line D line drills,

1033
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: right Like, that's just an example. Those guys go back

1034
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: to back reps, so there's there's usually a winner and

1035
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: a loser. Now you want to see how I guy

1036
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: bounces back. You're reading facial expression, you're reading body language,

1037
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: you're seeing the offensive line. Coach full of guy like

1038
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: Spencer brownis give him a coaching point before the second rep,

1039
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: and you're seeing it how quickly he can apply a

1040
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 1: coaching point. So there's so many great takeaways. Again, as

1041
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: a scout is a front office, you're always looking for

1042
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: things you can't see on the college tape that you

1043
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: get and Senior Bowl practices and just the competitive environment.

1044
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: I mean it is juiced up down there. These guys

1045
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: are coming from all over the country and they all

1046
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: are trying to prove themselves. I think that's the biggest

1047
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: thing for me in this role. I didn't realize, like

1048
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 1: the leveling of anxiety that even the big school guys,

1049
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: the SEC level guys, they're they're down here trying to

1050
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: prove themselves too. So yeah, I mean that's it's a

1051
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: great takeaway for all those guys. And I give guys

1052
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: like Brandon and I mean Mike Tomlin's a fixture. I

1053
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,720
Speaker 1: mean Mike Tomlin's up in the middle of just about

1054
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: every single drill down here. So the guys are the

1055
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: teams that really roll up their sleeves and dive into it.

1056
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: I think some of the takeaways are invaluable, all right,

1057
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: I would kick myself if I did not ask you

1058
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: some specific prospects scouting questions. Two players that I really

1059
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: like a lot I think would be good fits in Buffalo.

1060
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: I want your take. Wide receiver is kind of the

1061
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: most markey position that Bills fans I think want and

1062
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: Buffalo to address at some point in the draft, probably

1063
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: earlier rather than later. What can you tell us about

1064
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: two guys in quick summary? Jaden Reid from Michigan State,

1065
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 1: who I know had a good week down there in Mobile.

1066
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: And Rashi Rice, the guy that I just mocked to

1067
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: Buffalo in the first round after what he did jumping

1068
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: forty one inches at the combine. Yeah, you know, the

1069
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: Bill's got close shakier from down here last year. And

1070
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 1: just talking to those guys, I think they're really excited

1071
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: about what your two is gonna look like for Khalil.

1072
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, Jayden Reid's a guy that we've had our

1073
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: eye on for a couple of years now. He was

1074
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: he was a junior graduate last year, so we thought

1075
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: we were gonna be able to get him. We thought

1076
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: he might come out, he stayed in. So we've got

1077
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: really a long body of work on Jaden Reid. Three

1078
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: years of work in receivers a dependent position. I mean,

1079
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: the guy wasn't even even the most productive receiver numbers

1080
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: wise at Michigan State this year. But he comes down here.

1081
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: He looks quick and fast, a really nuanced route runner

1082
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: can get himself open. To me, I think he's a

1083
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: starting slot right away for whoever drafts him. I think

1084
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a Day two guy, probably in the

1085
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: third round range. That's where we've kind of had Jaden

1086
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: over the past two years. Now. He wasn't being talked

1087
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: about that a lot in the media prior to Senior

1088
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: Bowl week just because the numbers. But I think now

1089
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,959
Speaker 1: he is. I think he's back. He's being talked about

1090
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: where he should be. And then Rushi. You know, again,

1091
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: the combine was big for Rushi because you saw the explosiveness.

1092
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: You saw the I mean whatever low four four forty

1093
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: forty inch vertical jomp, great contested catch guy um at SMU.

1094
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: That's really what you like about him when you watch

1095
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: the tape. I mean, he plays big and strong when

1096
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: when people are around him SMUs cranked out some really

1097
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: good receivers though over the last couple of years, with

1098
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: like Danny Gray, James Brochet. There's there's been a number

1099
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: of those guys that went to the league and done well.

1100
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: So Russi's kind of the next in line. I do

1101
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: like you needed a good combine and he delivered. He

1102
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: did a really nice job in India. So you've sit

1103
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: there and you kind of you meticulously craft these rosters

1104
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: from college guys all over the country. You see him

1105
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: come in there, you watch him through the entire week.

1106
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: You kind of nurse this thing from start to finish.

1107
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: Is there or is there a handful or maybe a

1108
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: couple of guys that you saw come into the Senior Bowl,

1109
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: maybe from East nowhere state or wherever you want to pick,

1110
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: you know, and and go to and now you're seeing him.

1111
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: They came to the Senior Bowl and killed it, and

1112
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: then they went to the Combine and killed it. Are

1113
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: there any of those guys that, you know what I'm saying,

1114
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: you're that turn into your favorite of the group that

1115
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: nobody else knows about. Yeah, you know, I'll actually pick

1116
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: a couple of guys that didn't get combine invites, So

1117
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: why don't we do it that way? You know, Like

1118
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: Carl Brooks is a defensive lineman from Bowling Green. Um

1119
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: had a great year for him. I think he hit

1120
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: double digit sacks. I think he was a ten sack

1121
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: guy Bowling Green this year. Now you watch the tape,

1122
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: they play him on the edge of buns. He's playing

1123
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: on two feet, doesn't have his hand in the dirt,

1124
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: and you watch him and you think he's like two

1125
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five pounds two seventy five to seventy

1126
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: look kind of looks like Boogie Bashemish from like a

1127
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: body type perspective on tape. And then you know their

1128
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: head coach, Scott Lefler is a buddy of mine from

1129
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: college and I hit him up in November. I'm like, Scott,

1130
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: what is this Brooks kid way right now? And he

1131
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: was two ninety three, So you're he's got movement skills

1132
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: to kind of belie his size and you can move

1133
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: him all up and down the front. Now, Senior Bowl week,

1134
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: he played nose and he got pressure on the quarterback

1135
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: from the nose tackle position. So he's a versatile rush guy.

1136
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: Didn't get a combined invite I think he ends up

1137
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: going in the fourth or fourth or the fifth round.

1138
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: And then another guy's Marte Moppy from Sacramento State. And

1139
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: now I will point the finger at us. We didn't

1140
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: do a good job on Marte. He was wasn't really

1141
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: on the radar coming into Senior Bowl week and he

1142
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: goes to the NFLPA All Star Game and has a

1143
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: great week out there. He was that he was the

1144
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: big Sky defensive player of the year, kind of a linebacker,

1145
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: strong safety tweener, kind of Kyle duggerass if you will.

1146
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: And he came here at two hundred and seventy seventeen

1147
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: pounds and just played downhill in the in the run

1148
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: game stuff, got his hands on a bunch of balls

1149
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: in the past game stuff. And again we didn't get

1150
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: him right. You know, we weren't on him enough. And

1151
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: I'll credit the Dane vennern at at the NFLPA game

1152
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: for digging out Marte from Sack State and now offered

1153
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: some stuff like third round. He might end up being

1154
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: a Day two guys a non combined invite. And the

1155
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: last guy to go that high was Kevin Bayern, who's

1156
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: become a Pro Bowl player in Tennessee. That's the highest

1157
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: drafted non combine guys. So those are two guys that

1158
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, weren't an indeed that you know. I don't

1159
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: think we'll be there after the fourth or fifth round. Yeah,

1160
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: I want to ask one more question about the safety position.

1161
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: Because we've talked about Tremaine Edmunds, we've talked about receiver.

1162
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: The Bills probably are gonna lose Jordan Poyer in free

1163
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: agency this offseason or there's a good chance of it.

1164
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: Two safeties that and this is again going back to

1165
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: your scouting background. In the end NFL Cavon, Meriweather and

1166
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: Daniel Scott, how do you, now, as the director of

1167
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl look at these safeties and say, hey, look,

1168
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: maybe one of these guys has some warts in terms

1169
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: of his refinement, his tackling ability, but he's a great

1170
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: athlete compared to someone that maybe like Cavon that's not

1171
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: quite as athletic. I know, the Bills, with Micah Hyde

1172
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: and Jordan Poyer, they've had two very cerebral, instinctive safeties

1173
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: for a long time. They have to move forward and

1174
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: kind of draft that next safety at or at that

1175
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: key position in the NFL what did you see with

1176
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: Daniel Scott and Cavon Merriweather kind of being different types

1177
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: at the safety spot. Yeah, Daniel's been one of our

1178
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: favorite guys over the last two years, though we didn't

1179
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: we didn't extend an invite to him last year and

1180
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: he went back to school and a guy that used

1181
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: to be on our scouting staff, Zach Mootion, is now

1182
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: the DPP at Calum and he lets know, he's like

1183
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: Nag's one of the big reasons he came back. You

1184
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: wanted you wanted to get that senior bowl in bye Um.

1185
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: And the biggest thing with Daniel going going backwards a

1186
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: couple of years was was a playsdrink This year Um,

1187
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: I used the term dish raggy a little bit like

1188
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: he slid down some tackles, he fell off some stuff.

1189
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: Came back this year and you could tell um even

1190
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: when he was just in shorts and t shirts of

1191
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: the combine the work that Daniel Scott has put into

1192
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: his body. I mean, this dude is a physical presence. Now.

1193
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: We've always loved his range. Um you know there. I

1194
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: think finding free safeties is harder than finding strong safeties.

1195
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: You might agree with that. Chris I'm not sure, but

1196
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: he's got range in the back end, he's got eyes

1197
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: when he plays from depth, and he's got ball skills.

1198
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: And those guys are those guys are to me harder

1199
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: to find um. And he tested off the charts and

1200
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: he ran four four five, did all the jumps. I

1201
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: mean he his three cone was six seven something. He

1202
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: was off the charts that way. And then Cavon was

1203
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: a guy that you know, we watched Riley Moss the

1204
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: Cornered Iowa pretty closely the last couple of years. And uh,

1205
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: and you know, Cavon was a guy we we set

1206
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,439
Speaker 1: up cross checks in our scouting system where guys from

1207
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: outside the area if we get draftable grades, and we

1208
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: have another scout on the staff cross check those guys

1209
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: in addition to myself. So for all these guys, we

1210
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 1: have at least three looks on all the players. And

1211
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: the guy that we had cross check Cavon was Walter Julia.

1212
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: So Walter's like one of the most senior scouts, probably

1213
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: the dean of scouts right now in the NFL. He

1214
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: worked for the Cowboys for thirty some years. He went

1215
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: to Oakland. He was Mike mayox right hand guy, kind

1216
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: of you know, got let go with the Raiders and

1217
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 1: we were lucky to have Walter for probably one year.

1218
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: He'll probably be back with the team next year. But

1219
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: he thought Cavon was the best tackling safety he saw

1220
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: this year. So that gave us real conviction that Cavan's

1221
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,959
Speaker 1: a good player in and run support. And you say

1222
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: like athletically, like he didn't run a great forty time

1223
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: ran in the four sixes. But Cavon was a guy

1224
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: that had, you know, a Division one basketball offers out

1225
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: out of high school. He actually was thinking about playing

1226
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: basketball at Western Michigan before he got the Iowa football invite, sir,

1227
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: the Iowa football offer. So yeah, those those two guys

1228
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 1: are very different. Um, but that's kind of that's kind

1229
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: of our background of both of those guys. When you

1230
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:07,919
Speaker 1: look at this draft and the way it's coming down,

1231
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: you've seen most of the high draft picks and the

1232
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: and the top notch prospects coming down to this draft.

1233
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: We've started getting some information and some some projections and

1234
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: mock drafts and all this. Some people have this as

1235
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: a maybe a four top ten quarterback draft class, or

1236
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: maybe the four guys go in the top ten We've

1237
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: also heard a lot of scuttle butt about the tight

1238
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: ends being a lot a high draft class in tight ends,

1239
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: and then yesterday we had a guest that said he

1240
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 1: thought there may be six as many as six offensive

1241
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: tackles go off the board in the first round. What

1242
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on that this being that kind of

1243
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: draft for not only the quarterbacks, which are always a

1244
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: little bit elevated in their draft status, but the tight

1245
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: ends and the offensive tackles being such a hot commodity

1246
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: in this draft class. Yeah, and I'd say I would

1247
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: have the corner class in there too. Is the corner class,

1248
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: especially since Senior Bowl. We had some guys down here

1249
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: show up big time that I guess surpassed our expectations,

1250
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: my expectations personally, like Julius Brients from Kansas State, um

1251
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: Darius Ross from South Carolina. Those guys that got themselves

1252
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: into Day two, they probably weren't Day two guys before

1253
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: Mobile and they both went to India and crushed it

1254
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,439
Speaker 1: as well. But yeah, I think the tight end group

1255
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: is a good class this year. I think there's a

1256
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 1: lot of guys, a lot of combo tight ends, a

1257
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: lot of guys that can block and run routes and

1258
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: catch the football. That's a good class. The quarterback thing's

1259
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting. We saw some teams weight on quarterback

1260
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: last year with like Desmond Ritterer and Malik Willis, those guys.

1261
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: Even up into the week of the draft, I was

1262
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: talking to teams around the league that thought both those

1263
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: guys were going to be first round draft picks, and

1264
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: they slived to the third. So we'll see. You know,

1265
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of will Levis talk, Anthony Richardson talk

1266
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: in the top ten right now. I think Bryce Young

1267
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: and c J. Strout are locks in the top ten.

1268
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: We'll see what those other two guys, but you know,

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Speaker 1: and maybe even Hannon and Hooker could steak up there

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Speaker 1: in the first round. But yeah, certainly tight end is

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Speaker 1: a good class. I agree on the tackle stuff. I

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01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: think the early narrative was that this wasn't a great

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Speaker 1: offensive line class, and I think it's proven to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, Senior Bowl week and I think a lot

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01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 1: of those guys showed out. And it's combine as well.

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01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: So Steve and I could sit here for hours on

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01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: end talking about the Bills, but to have a national

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Speaker 1: media member come on, I always want to ask, how

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Speaker 1: do you view the bills biggest draft needs? I know

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01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: free agency will change things a little bit. And if

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01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: you were in the Bill scouting department, how would you

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01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: try to attack this draft? Understanding positional depth, saying, hey,

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01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: look like maybe receiver, we can get someone that is

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01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: probably the fourth or fifth wide receiver off the board later.

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Speaker 1: How would you attack it in those first couple of

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Speaker 1: rounds if you were a scout for the Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 1: again understanding this draft as a whole. Well, Chris, you're

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01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: catching me a little off guard with the team needs

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01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: for the Bills and you guys are the experts there.

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01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: I will say you, really, the best thing to do

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01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: when you're in a front office is really dig into

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01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: the depth and you're gonna have to see you, Okay,

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01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 1: where do we where do we maybe need to strike

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01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: early and working where is the depth? Reaching into day three? Um,

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Speaker 1: I do think you're gonna be able to get some

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Speaker 1: tight ends in the fourth round if you need one there. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna be able to get some good

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01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: corners there. I mean there's there's certain positions. No offensive line.

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Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a run. I think you

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Speaker 1: look across the league this year, it wasn't just Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: excuse me. I think there was a lot of teams

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Speaker 1: that struggled on the offensive line. So I think a

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01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: lot of those guys are gonna get pushed. I think

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01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna have to take those guys pretty early.

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01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: But you're putting up some good names right now on

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01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: the screen. Yeah, a lot of all those guys top

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01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,479
Speaker 1: fifty players. I think all those guys are safely top

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01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: fifty players right now. The way I'm looking at it,

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01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: um you could. I think you could see ten of

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01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: the guys maybe go off in the first round. That's

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01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: a position you probably will have to get one early.

1312
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: If you're gonna want like a high impact, right away starter.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the group you're gonna have to dip into.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll give you a softball after that difficult question, Jim,

1315
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 1: how many the first rounders from the Senior Bowl are

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01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: you and your staff expecting to hear their name called

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01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:25,719
Speaker 1: in April? Well, the last four years we've averaged seven,

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01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: and in looking at this year's crew, I think there's

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Speaker 1: probably seven at ten or eleven that realistically could go.

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01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 1: Not saying they all will you know, it's it depends

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01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: on how it falls, but I think there's you know

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01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: where our class has probably hurt a little bit this year.

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01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: There isn't a quarterback unless unless Hendon goes, you know,

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01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: sneaks in, someone tries to get that fifth year option

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01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,839
Speaker 1: on Hendon Hooker. But you know, I think the offensive

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01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: line class, I think the D line group, you know,

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01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: I think that's where we're going to see most of

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Speaker 1: our guys. So I think it's probably gonna settle somewhere

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01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 1: around that where that average was a seven. Jim, thanks

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01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: so much for spending time with us. Congratulations on another

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01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: great year, a great addition to the Senior Bowl. And

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01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: wish you all the best and we'll catch up with

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Speaker 1: you in the future. Thank you, Thank you, guys, appreciate

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Speaker 1: you having me on. Jim Nagee, Senior Bowl executive director.

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Speaker 1: He's also an ESPN draft an. Let's spending time with

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01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: us here. The work they do at the Senior Bowl,

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01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about the logistics and getting that

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01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: all put together, it's unbelievable and what a successful another

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01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: successful year for that. Yeah. And during Brandon Bean's press

1340
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: conference at the combine, he spoke at length about how

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01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: much they love the Senior Bowl. We've seen it, like

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01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: you mentioned, with forty three percent of the Bills picks

1343
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: since twenty seventeen coming from the Senior Bowl, and that

1344
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: Jim kind of talked to the intimacy and the closeness

1345
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: that these gms, scouting directors and scouts and even some

1346
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: of the coaches can get to these players and really

1347
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: learn how competitive they are. See them in what is

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01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: kind of an uncomfortable setting, but is a very challenging setting,

1349
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: facing the best senior competition that college football has to offer.

1350
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Chris Trapasso. Here, we're gonna take a break

1351
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 1: and come back, and we're gonna talk about a handful

1352
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: of prospects who tested themselves at the combine right into

1353
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: the first round of an article written and buy my

1354
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: buddy here, christ Pass, we're gonna talk about that right

1355
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Speaker 1: after the break. Steve Tasker Chris Trapasso on One Bills Live.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to One Bill's Live.

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01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker Chris Trapasso just got off the phone with

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01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: Jim Naggi, who was the executive director of the Senior Bowl.

1359
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: Had a great year. There a ton of guys and

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01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: if you want to get an insight as to who

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01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: the Bills are gonna draft, look at that roster. Some

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01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: of those some of them are gonna be Bills players.

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01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: Forty three percent of the Bills draft picks and the

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01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott era have been from the Senior Bowl. They

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01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: love that atmosphere down there. Naggie said it right. It's

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01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: highly competitive, and these guys are down there because a

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01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:50,719
Speaker 1: lot of them don't know if they'll ever get drafted

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01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: or get a chance or what. They're convincing themselves as

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01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 1: well as the teams that they're worthy of it. And

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01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:59,639
Speaker 1: you're gonna down there, man, the lids off. Those guys

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01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 1: are going hard at the Senior Bowl trying. It's a

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Speaker 1: real tryout for NFL teams who are standing ten feet away.

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01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 1: It's it's a pretty unique atmosphere and they maximize it

1374
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. And what's really interesting is that,

1375
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 1: so I've been down there like four or five times,

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01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: what you just said is spot on in that the

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01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: week of practice Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, that is probably as

1378
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,839
Speaker 1: hard as you will see any two teams practice against

1379
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: each other because there is GM after GM after GM,

1380
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: every scouting department in the league taking meticulous notes during

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01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: the week of practice. We see in the one on

1382
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 1: ones with the offensive and defensive lineman, and certainly the

1383
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,520
Speaker 1: wide receivers and the corners, and a lot of evaluation

1384
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: gets drawn from just a couple of reps, so you

1385
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: can make or break whether you're a second rounder or

1386
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 1: a fourth rounder. And really the difference in that can

1387
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: be millions of dollars. Coach will tell you I've had

1388
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,719
Speaker 1: I've had one. A coach tell me here in Buffalo,

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01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: years and years and years ago, they drafted these two

1390
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 1: guys in the same position. In Buffalo, he goes, I

1391
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 1: could tell after fifteen minutes of practice which one could play. Yeah,

1392
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: for sure, I could tell after fifteen minutes which one

1393
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,799
Speaker 1: could play. And he proved history proved him absolutely correct.

1394
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: That's what happened. They get down the Senior Bowl. Those

1395
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 1: guys can tell after twenty minutes of really looking at

1396
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 1: the guy, watching him, watching him getting coached, watching the reps,

1397
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: watching Howard reacts to a win, to a loss, to

1398
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: getting embarrassed, or if he never gets embarrassed, if he's

1399
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 1: always you know, they can tell a lot about a

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01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: guy from those reps when they're right there and because

1401
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: that's what they do, I mean, that's what they're good at,

1402
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 1: and it's hugely, hugely telling for these young players to

1403
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: go out there and do that. Twenty fourteen Senior Bowl,

1404
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 1: the first time I ever went. Aaron Donald came into

1405
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: that week underside second or third rounder and Cyril Richardson,

1406
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 1: who the Bills actually drafted in the fifth round Adah Baylor.

1407
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: He was like the marquee offensive garden. It was going

1408
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 1: to be Aaron Donald against Richardson that week. Aaron Donald

1409
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: left Senior Bowl week as this guy's going to go

1410
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: in the first round. He was that dominant, that competitive.

1411
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 1: So for as much as I do like to kind

1412
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 1: of lean toward the film and the athletic testing numbers,

1413
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl definitely matters. And just hearing GMS at

1414
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: the Combine, so many more are vocal about it now

1415
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 1: how important those three practices inmobile are every single week.

1416
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 1: So you go down to the Senior Bowl, then you

1417
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: come back to the Combine and there's always a bunch

1418
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 1: of guys who you know, and none of us know

1419
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: all these guys, you do, You guys are in professional

1420
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: draft analysts, you know a lot more names than you

1421
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: know guys like me and casual fans. So when you

1422
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 1: get to this combine, you see these guys come out. Okay, okay,

1423
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 1: who's this? You know they all got the D line

1424
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: d L number forty or whatever it is, right, I

1425
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 1: don't know who that guy is, but they come out

1426
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it's like, wow, look at

1427
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 1: this guy. Hey, look at this guy. Look what he

1428
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: did here. Let's see what he can do on this.

1429
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh my gosh. You know, so they

1430
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 1: all five of the things that they test on or

1431
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: ten of the things they test on, are like, look

1432
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 1: at this guy. So there are five guys that you

1433
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: picked out and wrote about in your article. One of

1434
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 1: them we've kind of talked about already. Rashi Rice, the

1435
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: SMU wide receiver you mocked to the Bills in the

1436
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: first round, which I hadn't even heard his name until

1437
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 1: you mocked him today. Yeah. So every year at the combine,

1438
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 1: there's at least five, probably closer to ten, guys that

1439
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: I say test into the first round where you just

1440
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 1: look back at history. In round one, of course, every

1441
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: team is looking for a quality football player, But really

1442
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 1: in the first round, it's more about traits and athleticism

1443
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: than anything else. Look no further than last year when

1444
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: Travon Walker was the number one overall pick over Aiden Hutchinson.

1445
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: Now maybe that ultimately was not the right decision for

1446
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. Teams love traits in the first round. And

1447
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 1: Rashi Rice again being six foot one, two hundred and

1448
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: four pounds, that's pretty good size at receiver, jumping forty

1449
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: one inches. You like to be able to check off

1450
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 1: all those boxes if you're going to pick someone in

1451
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 1: the first round. And what's very fascinating about this and

1452
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 1: very telling, the Bills love traits. Gregory Rousseau when it

1453
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,959
Speaker 1: came to size and athleticism and burst off the football,

1454
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: he checked those boxes emphatically, and I think that was

1455
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: a big reason, even though he wasn't a finished player,

1456
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: why he was a first round pick. Josh Allen Dawson, Knox,

1457
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 1: Spencer Brown, all of these big time athletes that really

1458
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 1: showed out at the Combine or at their pro days

1459
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: during the pandemic were ultimately Bill's selections. So I think

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Speaker 1: Rashi Rice, there's a bunch of other names who I

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01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 1: think tested themselves into the first round. Yeah, it's interesting.

1462
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: It's easy too to go back when they get these measurables,

1463
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: these numbers on a page, you can go back and

1464
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 1: look at other guys who were And Brandon Ayuk an

1465
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 1: NFL player who is almost identical inabilities measurables to a

1466
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 1: guy like Rice. Yeah, pretty much the exact same combine

1467
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: at the exact same size. And Brandon Aiyuk was the

1468
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 1: receiver picked right after Justin Jefferson two picks later in

1469
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Had kind of a slow start to his career,

1470
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: but he just went over a thousand yards in San Francisco.

1471
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,679
Speaker 1: And if you plugged Brandon Ayuk into this Bills offense

1472
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 1: with Stefon Diggs and the weapons that they have, Josh

1473
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 1: Allen throwing him the football, I think the Bills would

1474
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: sign up for that today. And now with Rice again,

1475
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 1: the explosion was the one concern with him. That's not

1476
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,560
Speaker 1: the case anymore. And it's not my opinion compared to

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01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,839
Speaker 1: Jim Naggie's opinion. It's we know forty one in vertical

1478
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 1: is on the page. So then you go and one

1479
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 1: of the things too, is well, you know I've had

1480
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 1: this conversation off the air. The next guy on is

1481
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs, running back out of Alabama. Week now, Bijean

1482
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 1: Robinson has also been mocked to the Bills. These two

1483
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 1: running backs first round caliber, Jean out of Texas and

1484
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 1: Gibbs out of Alabama. Gibbs five to nine, two hundred

1485
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: pounds one hundred ninety nine pounds. What happened to him

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01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: that they didn't expect to happen that boosted him into

1487
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 1: the first round. He was expected to be fast, but

1488
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone thought four three six fast,

1489
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: and it was really on film between Bijan Robinson and

1490
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs to be the number one running back in

1491
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 1: this class. I still think most people, including myself, will

1492
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 1: have Bijen Robinson as the number one running back, but

1493
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: he's clearly not as fast as Jamir Gibbs or as explosive.

1494
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 1: They're both really good wide receivers out of the backfield.

1495
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 1: They were even used down the football field on wheel routes,

1496
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 1: just getting vertical, which I think you need to have

1497
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 1: if you have any chance to be a running back

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01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: picked in the first round. I personally would not ever

1499
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: pick a running back in the first round. There's just

1500
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 1: too many talented players at that position in the draft.

1501
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: But Shamir Gibbs, if he and Bijan Robinson go in

1502
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: front of the Bills, that really bodes well for the

1503
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 1: prospects that will be available for Buffalo. You ain't no

1504
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 1: way two running backs you're going in the first round,

1505
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 1: because it's just that it's one of those things where

1506
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 1: I just don't think anybody values that position enough, particularly

1507
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 1: in the face of a free agent market that's going

1508
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 1: to be flooded with guys who've proven it at this level.

1509
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,520
Speaker 1: Maybe not, you know, maybe they don't have the measurables

1510
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 1: that Jean Robinson or Gibbs have, But man o, man,

1511
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 1: there's still quality NFL players and you can get them

1512
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 1: and you can depend on them to know kind of

1513
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: their way around the building, and you know they're going

1514
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: to be ready for a pro season more so than

1515
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:20,879
Speaker 1: you might think a rookie first round or not. I

1516
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 1: just I just don't know that in the face of

1517
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 1: a free agent market the way we're facing these days

1518
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 1: in the NFL, that a first round running back is

1519
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 1: a thing. And that's what's so interesting, because we're a

1520
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 1: week away from free agency that could totally change that.

1521
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: A lot of teams could fill that running back hole

1522
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 1: on their roster with a Devin Singletary or a Dante

1523
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 1: Foreman who played really well for the Carolina Panthers last season.

1524
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: Raheem most. There's all those names out there, but just

1525
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: looking at the history of those rare first round picks,

1526
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: they usually have to be great receivers and big time athletes,

1527
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 1: and we kind of thought, all right, there's b Jan Robinson.

1528
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 1: He's the closest thing that we've seen to see Quon Barkley. Now,

1529
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs is kind of insert himself with that forty

1530
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: yard dash of four point three six seconds at five

1531
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: nine and two hundred pounds, which is pretty compact. He's

1532
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 1: in the conversation now if some of the teams that

1533
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,639
Speaker 1: maybe look at running back in free agency don't get one, yeah, now,

1534
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 1: the next one you've got is a guy I liked

1535
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 1: ever since since I heard about him. Jack Campbell, linebacker

1536
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:23,440
Speaker 1: out of Iowa, sixty five, two hundred and forty nine pounds,

1537
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 1: big tall kid, really shows instincts of a middle linebacker.

1538
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 1: And if and if it weren't for the fact that

1539
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: he plays middle linebacker, just like running back. You're right,

1540
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 1: I think there may be teams that would take him

1541
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: as a linebacker in the first round, even before the

1542
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: running backs. Yeah, especially because in this draft class there's

1543
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 1: not that Devin White, that premier off ball linebacker that

1544
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 1: is locked into the top half of the first round,

1545
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: which is usually the case. The only real wart with

1546
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,719
Speaker 1: Jack Campbell is that he has short arms, and teams

1547
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 1: do obsess about those things when you're watching a linebacker.

1548
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:04,680
Speaker 1: Can they beat blocks or are blockers getting into their

1549
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 1: frame before they can kind of shed that block to

1550
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 1: make a play on a running play. Besides that, and

1551
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:13,759
Speaker 1: I mentioned him at the top of the show, Tremaine

1552
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: Edmunds size and similar athleticism to Tremaine Edmunds, and I

1553
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 1: think any team would have been justified to Picturemain Edmonds

1554
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 1: in the first round. The bill certainly where he's gonna

1555
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: probably be the highest paid linebacker here in a couple

1556
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 1: of days. So Jack Campbell is one that we had

1557
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 1: some questions, kind of like Rashier Rice about the athleticism,

1558
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: but he answered those questions at the comment with a

1559
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 1: great all around workout. And then another one here a

1560
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 1: defensive lineman who's a guy after my own Hearty's Northwestern graduate.

1561
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:43,760
Speaker 1: She's like me Addie at a Borway the defensive lineman

1562
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: or Northwestern. I heard about him six two two eighty two.

1563
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 1: He snapped off of sub four five two pounds. That'll

1564
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 1: do it. They showed on NFL Network one of those

1565
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:56,719
Speaker 1: simulcasts where they had like other players running from different years,

1566
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 1: and he was like running past some tight ends and

1567
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 1: wide receivers at six one and two hundred and eighty

1568
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 1: two pounds. Edi Bore probably not a target for the Bills,

1569
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 1: although you know the Bills have prioritized those defensive lineman

1570
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 1: relatively early in the draft, with Rousseau, Aja Epanessa, Boogie

1571
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 1: Basham being second round picks. This guy can play up

1572
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 1: and down the atlant of scrimmage at that size eighty two,

1573
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 1: clearly has speed of a tight end, good pass rushing moves,

1574
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 1: and he's someone that is not maybe a finished product

1575
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 1: in terms of he's not going to come in and

1576
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: be a ten or fifteen sac guy right away. But

1577
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 1: like I mentioned, usually those last couple of picks in

1578
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 1: round one, teams are willing to throw a flyer on

1579
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 1: someone that just has measurable measurables. And tested through the roof,

1580
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 1: and Edi Barre certainly did that. Another one in a

1581
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:49,719
Speaker 1: position of need for the Bills. Sidney Brown, the safety

1582
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 1: out of Illinois. Where was he before this combine? Where

1583
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 1: is he now? He was probably mid to late second

1584
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: round pick, two hundred eleven pounds, kind of built like

1585
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: a stocky running back. And you saw on his film

1586
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,719
Speaker 1: at Illinois that he did a good job covering running

1587
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 1: backs out of the backfield, tight ends down the team,

1588
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 1: made plays on the football when he wasn't facing you know,

1589
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 1: a six five or six six tight end in those

1590
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: jump ball situations. And like a lot of these players

1591
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,640
Speaker 1: on this list, it was, oh, how athletic is he?

1592
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: How fast is Sidney Brown? Well, he ran four four

1593
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: seven had a forty and a half inch vertical, So

1594
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 1: he answered all those questions again about his explosion. I

1595
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:32,680
Speaker 1: could see the Bills. If the draft board falls in

1596
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 1: a specific way, the receivers aren't there, the interior offensive

1597
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,679
Speaker 1: lineman aren't there, they lose Jordan Poyer. Sidney Brown kind

1598
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 1: of feels like Jordan Poyer on film, where he's always

1599
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: around the football, a little bit more of a strong

1600
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 1: safety than a free safety. But again, now we know

1601
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 1: he has first round caliber athletic traits at the safety spot.

1602
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 1: Good stuff, and I think it's important too to remember.

1603
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: I mean, no matter what you say about these guys,

1604
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 1: the Bills will have a file on him. Yeah, and

1605
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 1: a lot had It's fun to talk about this stuff,

1606
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,679
Speaker 1: but the future is impossible to know because we don't

1607
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,679
Speaker 1: know what the roster will look like on Draft Day.

1608
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 1: And if the Bills are all of a sudden have

1609
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 1: fifteen offensive linemen under contract instead of six, that changes

1610
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 1: the equation on draft day. If they have six safeties

1611
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 1: on roster instead of one with a corner that may

1612
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: play safety, that's a different matter. So you've got a

1613
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 1: lot of stuff to a lot of water that has

1614
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 1: to go under the bridge before you get to draft day.

1615
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 1: One thing I will say, though, it's this draft in particular,

1616
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 1: I think is more I don't want to say more

1617
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 1: important for the Bills, because I think every draft is important.

1618
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 1: But over the last couple of years, with the way

1619
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 1: that Brandon Bean and the Bills front office were able

1620
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: to retain a lot of the players, Matt Mulano, people

1621
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: thought maybe was not going to come back, Tredevious White,

1622
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: Dion Dawkins, the last few drafts, it was like, all right,

1623
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: they need some pieces here and there, but a lot

1624
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,719
Speaker 1: of these guys are going to start their careers as

1625
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 1: depth players. There just weren't a lot of starting roles

1626
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: up for grabs. I think there's more now than there

1627
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: were the last two years in Buffalo for a team

1628
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 1: that's a Super Bowl contender. So I would say all viewers,

1629
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 1: all listeners should certainly be paying attention to more of

1630
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 1: these early round draft picks that are going to be

1631
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 1: plugged in to key contributor roles as rookies. Steve Tasker,

1632
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: Chris Trapasso Here, One Bills Live. We're gonna be take

1633
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 1: a break here, We're gonna be back to wrap things

1634
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 1: up right after this. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio, brought

1635
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 1: to you by Kalida Health. This is One Bills Live.

1636
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 1: Welcome back to One Bill's Live. Steve Tasker, Chris Trapasso,

1637
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 1: Christrapasso and for Chris Brown. He's gonna be here for

1638
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 1: the rest of the week, and we're gonna today we're

1639
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 1: kind of talking about some of the draft prospects and

1640
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 1: you know, mock drafts and where the Bills are and

1641
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 1: stuff that's going on with Lamar Jackson and Aaron Rodgers

1642
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 1: and Geno Smith and the quarterbacks at the top. It's

1643
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 1: pretty intriguing stuff. And we also talked about Tremaine Edmonds. Tomorrow,

1644
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk a little bit about the free age

1645
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 1: mark and where the Bills might go in that wide

1646
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,839
Speaker 1: receivers that are available, the interior offensive linemen that are available,

1647
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 1: offensive tackles that are available. There's like twenty five or

1648
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,640
Speaker 1: thirty guys that are you got to have on your

1649
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: radar if you're the Bills as an offensive line option

1650
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 1: to bring in, and they probably will bring in a handful.

1651
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:23,919
Speaker 1: And in the Brandon Bean era, he's really prioritized offensive

1652
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: line via the free agent route. I think he likes

1653
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: to have those guys that are established that are what

1654
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 1: I call NFL strong. That there was the one roll

1655
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 1: of the dice Cody Ford early in the second round

1656
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,640
Speaker 1: via the draft that didn't ultimately work out, And I

1657
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 1: think there's always for as much as we hear and

1658
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:45,599
Speaker 1: say that there's kind of a deficiency when it comes

1659
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: to quality blockers in the NFL, there's always those lower

1660
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 1: level free agents that are available that become impend or

1661
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:55,600
Speaker 1: unrestricted free agents that Brandon Bean has been very aggressive

1662
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: to signs and they sign him to short term deals

1663
01:25:58,360 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 1: so they don't have, you know, not tied up many

1664
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 1: any cash going forward. Roger Saffl is an example of that.

1665
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 1: And even on the defensive line we were talking Jordan

1666
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,560
Speaker 1: Phillips is kind of an example of that. He was

1667
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 1: very happy to be back in the fold here in Buffalo.

1668
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 1: Mitch Morris has been since he's been here, one of

1669
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 1: the biggest biggest offensive lineman, most highly paid offensive line

1670
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 1: along with Dion Dawkins. But Mitch Morris has been one

1671
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 1: of those guys that they've redone his contract a number

1672
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 1: of times, you know. So even if you know, if

1673
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 1: they if they can't even release him and he's got

1674
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 1: a six million dollars cap hit, if they release him

1675
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: and he's only making six points something, so Mitch Morrise

1676
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 1: is not going anywhere, and there's not really much they

1677
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 1: can do cap wise to help themselves with him. Yeah,

1678
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 1: and I think with the narrative this offseason, it's started

1679
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 1: that the Bills have no money. They're still over the cap.

1680
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 1: We all know at this point they can restructure Josh

1681
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 1: Allen's deal, a few of the bigger deals to push

1682
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 1: money into the future, which is a way to kind

1683
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 1: of build your roster or to kind of adjust the books.

1684
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 1: That every team in the NFL does get these big extensions,

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Speaker 1: you get more kept space. I think personally that diversifying

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01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 1: your free agent money is the better way to kind

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01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 1: of fill those secondary and tertiary holes on the roster.

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01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,560
Speaker 1: I think look no further than last year where the

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01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 1: Bills sign Von Miller. He's the one big ticket item,

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01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: and for the first nine games he was really as

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01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,719
Speaker 1: advertising the Bills defense was amazing. He goes down. Another

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01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 1: free agent signing, Jamison Crowder goes down in September. Suddenly

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01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: the Bills don't have those pieces because they're on the

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01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 1: sideline with injury. I think looking back twenty nineteen with

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01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley and John Brown, even back in twenty seventeen

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01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 1: Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde, those were not splashy free agents.

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01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 1: When you can sign five, six, seven eight free agents,

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01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 1: which I do think the Bills can do at lower

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01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 1: level deals, it just diversifies your money a little bit

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01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 1: where if there is an injury or one guy doesn't

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01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 1: work out, you still have four or five other players

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01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: who could ultimately become key contributors on your team. Certainly,

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01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: the Bills need depth and they're going to try and

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01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 1: get that through free agency so that when the draft

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01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 1: comes up, they can pick the best guy out there.

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Speaker 1: Lots to talk about. We're gonna get on with that tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Also on tomorrow's show, along with christ Passo and myself,

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01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 1: Mike Janetti from Spot Tracks is gonna come on with us.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about numbers. Certainly, the Bills have got

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01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 1: some financial work to do to get under the cap

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01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 1: and get cap compliant. We're going to talk about their

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Speaker 1: options and some of the things he's seen teams do

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01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 1: to help him do that. And he will be able

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01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 1: to let everyone know about fully guaranteed versus total guarantees.

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01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 1: And we're gonna see a lot of reporting over the

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01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 1: next couple weeks about contracts that seem bloated and they

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01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 1: seem way too lucrative, way too expensive. Mike will be

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01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 1: able to kind of sift through all of that noise

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01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 1: and tell us what matters more than anything else. All Right,

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Speaker 1: Christ Passo, Steve Tasker, thanks for joining us. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: be back at one o'clock tomorrow. Mike Janetti from spot track. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk free agency, more bills talk coming. Thanks

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01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 1: for joining us today. Brownie's out for the week. We'll

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01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 1: miss him. Good luck to him and his wife on

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01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 1: their travels. Will be here all week and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you tomorrow at one h