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Speaker 3: This is the Players Lounge broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 3: World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts Barry Church,

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Speaker 3: Anthony dor set De, Montree Moore, and newly Scrugs.

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Speaker 4: It is that time Players Lounge coming at you right

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Speaker 4: here from the Star in Frisco, Texas. We've got former

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Speaker 4: NFL players to Montrey Moore in the House, Texas A

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Speaker 4: and M magn We've got former Dallas Cowboy Barry Church,

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Speaker 4: Hall of Famer with the Toledo Rocket Darker.

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Speaker 2: Good on you. Where'd you go, sir?

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Speaker 5: We new Scrugs multi multi nobody.

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Speaker 6: We went to Cowbo for a little bit. Yeah, it

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Speaker 6: was down there at the kids. Ho was in TSA

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Speaker 6: line ween we went. We got lucky because we went

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Speaker 6: on the office. We went Monday and then I came back.

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Speaker 6: Saturday was crazy. Saturday was crazy. The line to get

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Speaker 6: back in like customs and all that was was nuts.

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Speaker 6: But since we left on a Monday, it was it

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Speaker 6: was smooth one where we learned. But if you left

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Speaker 6: on like that previous Sunday or Saturday, yeah you was

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Speaker 6: you was in there for a while.

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Speaker 5: Okay, And that's how you know you a frequent traveler,

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Speaker 5: the fact that you know what days leave or what's

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Speaker 5: going on. He said, hey, man, just spring break.

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Speaker 7: I got it.

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Speaker 2: I know how we get out early.

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Speaker 7: Man in there and you and you were going to what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I was in San Diego. Yea San Diego, beautiful, youthful,

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Speaker 2: fault great golf.

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Speaker 4: Unbelievable town. I didn't get the Tory Pine. Get out

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Speaker 4: and get out there, but it was definitely a good time.

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Speaker 4: All right, guys. So I don't know if you know

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Speaker 4: there's a ranking of the seventy best Dallas Cowboys podcast.

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Speaker 2: Oh Chris Bean, have you seen this? Oh?

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Speaker 7: We better have not?

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, it came rank. I was about to say,

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Speaker 2: who's right, who's doing these rings? Who's doing the ring?

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Speaker 2: I've got to go back and figure it out. But

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Speaker 2: I got yeah, yeah, who.

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Speaker 7: Who want to smoke?

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Speaker 2: Number one? Okay, talking Cowboys?

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Speaker 6: That uk Ky Yeoman's Tommy Yarsh, Patrick Walker, our Isaiah

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Speaker 6: stand Back and Josh Rodriguez rated number one.

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Speaker 2: And they came out with this list.

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Speaker 7: That's what.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't It wasn't a burner account. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: don't know putting us with the k man there Eagleton

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Speaker 2: is going to have something to say with non sponsor.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, but Talking Cowboys came number one, Hanging with the

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Speaker 4: Boys came in number five. Hanging with the Boys, that's

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Speaker 4: what that's web Dog nating them gross and Kirk yep.

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Speaker 4: So Hanging with the Boys came in fire and then we.

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Speaker 2: Are thirteen thirteen out of seventy what seventy yeah, you

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Speaker 2: know what? Thirteen?

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Speaker 6: I say we at least top five, the top top

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Speaker 6: top five, at least top ten.

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Speaker 2: Now here's here is sort of an issue that I

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Speaker 2: do have. What's that?

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Speaker 4: Because they put the hosts on there. Okay, they got

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Speaker 4: the host Church McCrae, heck, Maherrison and myself.

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Speaker 2: Wow, now you got it, now you that's what his

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Speaker 2: list is.

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Speaker 7: You ain't in?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, bad list. That's a bad You're gonna put the

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Speaker 2: wrong Come on, man, that's that's what's up.

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Speaker 5: Bro.

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Speaker 2: That was been here for a little bit over. Don't

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Speaker 2: respect on my boys name.

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Speaker 4: Pittsburgh Brethren, ross the Rosters and change mix shots number

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Speaker 4: twenty so so yeah, so I'm just saying to make

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Speaker 4: is mixed shots. It's ever over there, Bill Jones, that's

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Speaker 4: over there. So that that's where they're there.

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Speaker 2: Where's the break?

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Speaker 4: Media Mashes twenty eight The is on here now Chris

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Speaker 4: dirty work, Chris, that dirty work. That's work, that's not dirty.

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Speaker 7: That was Church.

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Speaker 2: Now. You don't do a lot of podcasts here.

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Speaker 4: So's the Boston So number three is it just says

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Speaker 2: It doesn't have a name or anything.

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: And on the on the host it just says M.

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Speaker 2: Kent mail. That's all it sets. So right right, right right.

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Speaker 7: So that's it.

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Speaker 4: So when you're talking about the break, I'm not seeing

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Speaker 4: the break. Okay, wow, looking over here, I'm not seeing it.

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Speaker 7: Do you know you're gonna do your own frat brother

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Speaker 7: like that?

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Speaker 2: You know I didn't do that. That was Chris.

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Speaker 7: He threw the you shot diesel?

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Speaker 2: Number thirty three Law Law Nation Sports Podcasts. Right, we

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Speaker 2: better than him already, man, We're thirteen.

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Speaker 5: Shout out to Heck and everybody else. Then they got

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Speaker 5: us up there because you know, there ain't nothing.

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Speaker 4: They got Sean and r J forty six over the fan.

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Speaker 4: G Back Nation is forty seven. Can't see Master Master

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Speaker 4: Skip Bayless Show is forty nine. I mean, do they

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Speaker 4: still have a skipping about show?

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Speaker 7: I don't know about that. I thought he was doing

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Speaker 7: some mills.

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Speaker 8: So it just it.

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Speaker 2: It's a bunch of people over here. Stuff. I never heard.

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Speaker 2: Number number sixty is the Bubba Dub show.

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Speaker 7: You remember Bubba Doug.

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Speaker 5: That was the one that got into it with a

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Speaker 5: trayvon that was over there that was roasting it with

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Speaker 5: the teeth and stuff. Okay, funny, Oh.

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Speaker 2: That was oh number six.

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Speaker 4: Number sixty six is Bitches Love Sports six seven his birds,

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Speaker 4: right And anyway.

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Speaker 2: Man, we talked, we talk so seventy right, we're thirteen.

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Speaker 5: I don't like it.

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Speaker 2: I want to be and I just say thirteen with

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Speaker 2: a lineup that's no longer here. But anyway, that's cool.

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Speaker 2: That's that's that's what we can feel like.

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Speaker 5: So if y'all were thirteen with the with the expired

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Speaker 5: I feel like we elephant like the Cowboys doing with

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Speaker 5: these picks that they getting in free agency.

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Speaker 7: Elething.

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Speaker 4: All right, The Star Draft Guide is out, all right, Yes,

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Speaker 4: magazine twenty twenty six Draft Guys out.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, chop it up there and get what you means.

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Speaker 2: We ain't on that, man. I don't know why I

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Speaker 2: ain't on there, man. I think you lose it home

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Speaker 2: in the Cots playoffs like that. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: I best you guys? Do I best you guys? So

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Speaker 2: that's that.

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Speaker 4: That's what's going on right there. Cowboys meet a lot

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Speaker 4: of neats in free agency. Obviously there's more to do,

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Speaker 6: It is That's one of the biggest needs you're gonna

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Speaker 6: the power on the interior defensive line. I still think

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Speaker 6: you need edge rusher, but you got the power on

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Speaker 6: level when you talk about linebackers, because that, to me

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Speaker 6: is what brings defenses alive. When you got linebackers that

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Speaker 6: I like to call erasers to where okay, you might

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Speaker 2: If you can have guys like that, that's to me

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Speaker 6: Of course, you got to start up front, and of

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Speaker 6: course your bread and butter has to be on the

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Speaker 6: have those guys on that second level, that linebacker that

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Speaker 2: So for me, you gotta have that linebackers as one

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Speaker 2: of the top priorities.

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Speaker 7: Man, you gotta have the linebacker as a top priority.

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Speaker 7: But you know what, forget it.

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Speaker 5: I was trying to not sound biased because I am

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Speaker 5: a former linebacker, but in the three four scheme, that's

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Speaker 5: where it starts. Bro. It ain't about having the star

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Speaker 5: cornerback or having your interior. Now, granted, you built you

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Speaker 5: solidified that through the trades acquisitions. Now going through free agency,

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Speaker 5: you got two playmakers that you've bene brought back there

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Speaker 5: believe it's been two corners in the last free agency.

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Speaker 7: So everything's been there.

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Speaker 5: You got the pieces, you got Bland coming back, you

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Speaker 5: got Revel that actually produced, like for a little bit.

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Speaker 7: He's gonna get older, he's getting better. It's depleted right there.

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Speaker 5: the three fourth system, because you got to remember, these

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Speaker 5: linebackers are one step away from being an edge rusher

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Speaker 7: So this is the most important timing.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna see a big If these these guys are smart,

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Speaker 5: we're putting people there. You're gonna see a big fluctuation

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Speaker 5: of linebackers throughout this draft, just like you've seen a

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Speaker 5: big fluctuation of DB's right here right now. Jerry is

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Speaker 5: giving the carpenter a sools and letting them hunt.

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Speaker 4: All right, So if you pick up the draft guy there,

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Speaker 4: the number one rated linebacker is Apriel Reees Rvill reass

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Speaker 4: you say from Ohio State.

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Speaker 2: Sunny styles of Ohio State is number two. C. G.

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Speaker 2: Allen of Georgia three. Anthony Hill, Texas is number four.

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Speaker 4: By the way, we saw Cowboys head coach Bryan Schotheimer

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Speaker 4: out of the Texas Pro Days.

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Speaker 2: And apparently mister Hill's.

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Speaker 7: Agent is.

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Speaker 2: No No David A man, hey man, it's about so Jerry.

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Speaker 2: Jerry may actually meet him. He may he may actually

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Speaker 5: At this point, if you're Shoty, what do you think

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Speaker 5: that he was over there?

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Speaker 7: A I didn't say that. I know who you are.

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Speaker 7: I'm here with your brother name.

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Speaker 2: I love Shot.

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Speaker 4: Look, but if it's one thing we can we know

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Speaker 4: about Brian Schottenheimer, and we saw last summer the way

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Speaker 4: he handled everything. He knows how to go ahead and

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Speaker 4: play it down the middle. You'd see him make Michael

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Speaker 4: Parsons look bad. You didn't see him trying to make

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Speaker 4: Jerry look bad. He just played it right down the

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Speaker 4: middle the way he needed to be, and then when

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Speaker 4: the move was made, he was clean.

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Speaker 2: So I give I give Shot his credit there. Maybe

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Speaker 2: he's learned that from his dad or or Carroll.

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Speaker 4: Or Steve Spurry along the way, he figured out how

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Speaker 4: So Anthony Hill junior, number four, number five, Jacob Rodriguez

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Speaker 7: I like his game.

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Speaker 5: But I've been talking to you know, I'm always hit

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Speaker 4: So look at Deontaey with Lost in Battabama six three

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Speaker 7: Everybody's been six two six three.

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Speaker 2: Those are six Those are six backers.

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Speaker 4: and you can get them later in rounds. Which didn't

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Speaker 7: Okay, I thought it was fourth. It was a third.

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Speaker 7: They motivated me. Those guys you looked up to right there.

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Speaker 7: Do not forget the multiple.

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Speaker 4: So you spoke about Donovan Azeraku. He's going into a

446
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Speaker 4: second year coming off of surgery.

447
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Speaker 2: I know that's coming off of.

448
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 4: Surgery from Boston College. Was very good at getting to

449
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Speaker 4: the quarterback in college rookie year. A couple tests here

450
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 4: and there ended up being one of their better bright spots.

451
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Speaker 2: He did towards the end of the season.

452
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Speaker 4: He definitely wanted to show he started to get things here.

453
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Speaker 4: I just believe as a Roku is going to be

454
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Speaker 4: a better player in a three four defense. Here your

455
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Speaker 4: concern was was him on the edge. And I look

456
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Speaker 4: at him as a a number two, going back to

457
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Speaker 4: just one of your former teammates, Anthony.

458
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Speaker 6: Spencer, who yes, and it was much bigger than as

459
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Speaker 6: a but he had the same kind of tendencies where

460
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Speaker 6: you know, he felt like every play was I gotta

461
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Speaker 6: get through the quarterback. So you see every you know,

462
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Speaker 6: you'll see times against the run where he's swimming underneath

463
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Speaker 6: tackles and giving up the edge because you know that's

464
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Speaker 6: what his specialty was getting after the quarterback, creating you know,

465
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Speaker 6: getting penetration or penetration creating chaos back there when sometimes

466
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Speaker 6: all that's needed is you know, sit down low. I

467
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Speaker 6: see sit down load, you go get down and create

468
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Speaker 6: the edge. And that's what made you know de wear

469
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Speaker 6: such a great player.

470
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Speaker 4: And that was my next when you talk about de

471
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Speaker 4: Marcus square, there was your there was your ace right there.

472
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, he except the edge, get after the pay.

473
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Speaker 2: He did it all in this defense.

474
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Speaker 4: You want an ace, you want to you want a

475
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Speaker 4: Pat Swilling, you want a Lawrence Taylor, you want that

476
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Speaker 4: type of guy.

477
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Speaker 2: And as a rocker, to me, seems he's more of

478
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Speaker 2: a b Yes, Carl Banks, who player in his own right.

479
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Speaker 4: Yeah, right right, a good football player, you know. And

480
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Speaker 4: then later on we saw where where it became be

481
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Speaker 4: in Denver and von Miller. Miller was hey, so so

482
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Speaker 4: you you get two of those together, then you can

483
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Speaker 4: get something going.

484
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Speaker 2: And you got a problem going.

485
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Speaker 6: And as far as Vaughn, because you you know him personally,

486
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Speaker 6: was he you know, size wise, was he kind of

487
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Speaker 6: as a roco or was he a little bit you

488
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Speaker 6: know stouter?

489
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Speaker 2: What is as might be around like two forty something

490
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Speaker 2: maybe yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's similar size. When Vaughn came in, he was

492
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Speaker 5: about two forty and then got up there. But he

493
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Speaker 5: doesn't have the bend and all that. Now what I

494
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Speaker 5: will say that he has. He is a good guy.

495
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Speaker 5: He's playmaker and I'm talking about Easy when we're making

496
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Speaker 5: this reference. But one thing that y'all are forgetting, you

497
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Speaker 5: don't really have to be the edge setter in the

498
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Speaker 5: three fourth system and the three fourth system like it's

499
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Speaker 5: for your guys like Kenny Clark, those those the three

500
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Speaker 5: headed well two headed horsemen, because you got rid of

501
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Speaker 5: OSA now. But you put those guys and them and

502
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 5: they set the edge, and your outside linebackers are there

503
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Speaker 5: if it gets out there and it's a y right

504
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 5: or something like that, yeah they're gonna be out there

505
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 5: to be your force contained. But they play off of

506
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Speaker 5: the d tackles. So everything that's gonna be predicated is

507
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 5: really going to be on these ends. So that's when

508
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 5: you think when you think of having a dominated end

509
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Speaker 5: that we have in Kenny Clark and stuff, you think

510
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 5: about JJ Watt. He was able to go up there

511
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Speaker 5: set the edge, and then your guys were able Marcel

512
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Speaker 5: marcel I forgot his last name, the outside linebacker there

513
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Speaker 5: was there with j J.

514
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Speaker 7: They were able to overlap.

515
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Speaker 5: So this is where you're gonna see Easy come in

516
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Speaker 5: and be the athlete that he is when they require

517
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Speaker 5: him to do it. It's not every down, which as

518
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Speaker 5: an outside linebacker. You're excited to do that, but your

519
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 5: detacle do that. Hey, I can be the playmaker, and

520
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 5: this is where we're gonna see him, in my opinion,

521
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Speaker 5: have his most productive view. So you don't need him

522
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Speaker 5: to have so many bricks in his pockets. Now what

523
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Speaker 5: you do need though, Now granted, if you don't have

524
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Speaker 5: a one A, one B like how y'all were saying

525
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Speaker 5: with d Ware, von Miller, Greg Ellis and d where

526
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 5: those type of guys going with each other, you'll have

527
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Speaker 5: everybody shifting to that side.

528
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Speaker 7: We know where the playmaker is. So guess what we're

529
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Speaker 7: going to have a full slide.

530
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Speaker 5: So now your three four kind of gets negated and

531
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Speaker 5: your guy this the end, guess what he's getting ate up?

532
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 5: And then the other guy you're forcing him to play

533
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 5: the end where when the three four scheme fans of viewers,

534
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Speaker 5: I know it get a little low winded, But the

535
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Speaker 5: way that you talk about it is you want to

536
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 5: have your d tackles set the edge so your outside

537
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 5: guys have the free range to go inside or outside.

538
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 5: And when you do that, that makes them more dangerous

539
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 5: and more of a threat. And that's where easy it's

540
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Speaker 5: going to have this most production.

541
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Speaker 4: Okay, so the beauty of this is you've got a piece. Kay,

542
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Speaker 4: when you're starting to build your here's a piece right here.

543
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 4: We believe in this piece. Young player and a player

544
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Speaker 4: who wants to get better.

545
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Speaker 2: He's got the right attitude.

546
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Speaker 4: So those are the positive things you have about Donovan

547
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Speaker 4: as Arakku And look, in a perfect world, Parsons would

548
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Speaker 4: be on one side and as a Rocky would be

549
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Speaker 4: on the other.

550
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Speaker 5: But that's not how it ended being healthy on that too.

551
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 5: That is another thing that a hip injury that is

552
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 5: really big to come off of, to to have that

553
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 5: flexibility to have that dip. Now the granted, the things

554
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 5: that we hear through the grape vine, he's a hard worker,

555
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 5: he did have a productive year, and he.

556
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Speaker 2: Has that tenacity about him.

557
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 5: But will he have a Rebels kind of effect where

558
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 5: it's like, hey, you're gonna come back, You're going to

559
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 5: be a playmaker, but you got to get your feet

560
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 5: wet or is it gonna be one of those things

561
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Speaker 5: like you have the von Miller approach coming off of

562
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Speaker 5: major injury and hit the ground ground and so.

563
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Speaker 7: In which you gotta give a depth.

564
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Speaker 4: Which goes back into why you got to look at

565
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Speaker 4: linebacker here pretty early, got to look here pretty early

566
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Speaker 4: to maybe give him some of that time. But it

567
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 4: was pretty wild if you think about had they kept

568
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Speaker 4: Michael Parsmark, Mike ended up tearing.

569
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Speaker 7: Up sa acl Yeah, really be down.

570
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Speaker 4: Right, you'd have two linebackers right now coming back from

571
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Speaker 4: injury here that you're that you got concerned about. So

572
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Speaker 4: the Cowboys or once again, I think at twelve you're

573
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Speaker 4: going to have to go ahead and look at a linebacker.

574
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Speaker 5: Who got so she brought it up. Let me add

575
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Speaker 5: you who would you go with? Because just being around here,

576
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 5: you know how they think, you know how the front

577
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 5: office is. Me and Barry then seen multiple like guys,

578
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 5: we're on the new side of this. Who would you

579
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 5: think would be the pig?

580
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Speaker 4: I would imagine just what we've seen in the past

581
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 4: that lean to the coordinators saying, okay, who fits what.

582
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Speaker 2: It is we want now?

583
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 4: Will McLay, we'll give you, He'll come in here. These

584
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 4: are the great options. Here's what we think. And they

585
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 4: do listen to to the coordinator. Now the problems sometimes

586
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Speaker 4: listening to coordinator some people get a little bit too

587
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Speaker 4: They've got favorability, such as hey, we think Taco scheme

588
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 4: over t J Whytt.

589
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 2: But they listened to the coordinator.

590
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Speaker 7: Shout out to the UFL, Taco out. They're about to

591
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Speaker 7: go play for Dallas renegade to get another chip.

592
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Speaker 4: You know, it's not taking one Thornhill a safety and

593
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 4: taking Tristan Hill if it's a tackle listening to your coordinator.

594
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Speaker 4: So I think this has to be a you know,

595
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 4: they're going to try to make a joint decision here

596
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 4: and have some trust in Christian Parks.

597
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: But Will McClay knows football.

598
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Speaker 7: He does. He does.

599
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 4: You look at their draft record and who they've been

600
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Speaker 4: able to draft and guys that are going to the

601
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Speaker 4: Pro Bowl.

602
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Speaker 2: They do an excellent job all pros, and they do

603
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Speaker 2: an excellent job here. So and I would say this

604
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Speaker 2: and Will McClay, I trust.

605
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Speaker 7: I definitely do. I would say it's a reason why.

606
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Speaker 5: You told me a long time ago there Jerry doesn't

607
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 5: let his best toys or his favorite assets lead. That's

608
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 5: been one asset that a lot of people have been

609
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 5: trying to get to say, get out of this building.

610
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 5: Every time that he's about to go, what do you do?

611
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 5: He said, here, you go take a little bit more,

612
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 5: stay right here, I need you right here, the trust

613
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 5: that he has in him. But not only that, we

614
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Speaker 5: see them taking a different approach and free agency with

615
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Speaker 5: letting like the guys that they're starting to bring in

616
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 5: and starting to let him have that voice. So to

617
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Speaker 5: allow CP to come in here, who is a groog

618
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 5: rule like he did with his secondary and my eyes

619
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Speaker 5: thinking knowing how I am being a former player and

620
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 5: these guys, I think he's going to say, hey, bet Jordan,

621
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Speaker 5: you're a great telling of our evaluator.

622
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Speaker 7: What do you got?

623
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Speaker 5: And then Will's going to bring in that list like

624
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Speaker 5: how you said, and then go off of that listening

625
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 5: you mix them together, then it's gonna be some greatness.

626
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 4: Now go back into what Brian Schottenheimer's talking about the

627
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 4: kind of culture and the kind of players that he wants.

628
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Speaker 4: I mean, one of the things they want to do

629
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Speaker 4: is go back into high character.

630
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Speaker 2: People.

631
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Speaker 4: Look at last year's first round pick, Tyler Booker. Hey,

632
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 4: Tyler Booker coming from Alabama. Here is a guy that

633
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 4: played as a young player, all American type of guy

634
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 4: in the room, the way he goes about his business

635
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 4: pro ready, but also just hey, here's a guy that

636
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Speaker 4: I remember. Bill O'Brien is coming out and saying, hey, man,

637
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 4: this guy was a star with us plays his first

638
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 4: year when I was there. You ain't gonna have any problem.

639
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 4: He's going to become a leader for me. That's what

640
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 4: they're gonna be looking for. So that's one other thing

641
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 4: I would say, Hey, start to dive into some of

642
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 4: these like these linebackers. Start to dive into the next

643
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 4: level thing of what shot he wants. So maybe they

644
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 4: maybe there's a player who is not as fast or

645
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 4: maybe not as tall, but they've got all the right

646
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 4: traits of what they want and what shot he's looking for.

647
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 4: I go back to when Bill Parcells was here. One

648
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 4: of the things that Bill Parcells said, Chris Bean, you'll

649
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 4: remember this. Parcells had said, Look, I'm done dealing with

650
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 4: thugs and done dealing with people who don't want to work.

651
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 4: I've done you with problems. He wanted guys who were captains.

652
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 4: That's where you saw Kevin Burnett coming in here from Tennessee.

653
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 4: He was looking for guys like that, and that was

654
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 4: what he was drafting. You look, how great of a

655
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 4: player and a person Marcus Spears was Marcus Ware. Those

656
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 4: are the kind of guys that Bill was looking for,

657
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Speaker 4: and he would sacrifice maybe a talent. He wasn't taking

658
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 4: Randy Gregory, he wasn't dealing with that kind of stuff.

659
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 4: That's not what he wanted. And so to me, just

660
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Speaker 4: listening to Shottenheim and what the way they've been going about,

661
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 4: that's what they want to return to. So that's some

662
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Speaker 4: of what I've been hearing around the building. They want

663
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Speaker 4: that kind of guy, Tyler Booker, classic example, that kind

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Speaker 4: This guy's a straight up worker.

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Speaker 7: That's it.

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Speaker 4: So you get enough quality people like that, then along

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you got the pieces around them.

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Speaker 4: Because right there, because you've got the enforcers in the

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Speaker 4: that you've got to get enough people who are in

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Speaker 7: You guys know this.

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Speaker 4: That's who's going to go ahead and truly shape the

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Speaker 5: But they start, but that starts with the coaches, and

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Speaker 5: believe in Sam and come into a three four system

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Speaker 5: and switching it up? Or do y'all think it says

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Speaker 5: a lot about his character or how depleted this linebacker

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Speaker 5: Corey is because CP has already let it be known

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Speaker 5: or you're not even in the mix, you're out of here.

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Speaker 5: So do y'all think this was a depth thing or

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Speaker 5: it's like, hey, you know how there's some guys that

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Speaker 5: when they get a new coach they revived their whole

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Speaker 5: career and you're like, yo, that was good for them.

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Speaker 7: Do you think that will be Sam Williams.

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Speaker 6: No, I don't, And that's with all due respect. I

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Speaker 6: just from what I've seen the track recut, from what

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Speaker 6: I've seen, and I know players can change, people can

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Speaker 6: change all that stuff, and he has all the tangible,

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Speaker 6: the tools that everything to go out there. You're like, man,

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Speaker 6: you look at him six', Four you, look oh, man

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Speaker 6: this is impressive looking. God but when you get on

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00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 6: the football, field it just. Doesn't it just doesn't translate

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00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 6: whether it's you, know mistakes made from like just mental

792
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 6: era mistakes like after the stuff that you can.

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Speaker 2: Control this is not, like, OH i accidentally grab the

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Speaker 2: guy's face.

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Speaker 6: Mask this is after the play shoving guys or letting

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Speaker 6: his emotions get the better of. Them AND i can understand,

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00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 6: that you, know as a rookie coming in and maybe

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Speaker 6: even your second, year but you, know as you can,

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Speaker 6: progress you got to get past all. That you got

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00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 6: to become a. Playmaker especially it's being that the pick

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Speaker 6: he was at second. ROUND i believe by this time

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00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 6: you got to be a. Playmaker you got to be

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00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 6: out there doing your, thing and to BE i haven't seen.

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Speaker 6: IT i haven't seen. It so that's my that's my

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Speaker 6: regard on.

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Speaker 2: It here's here's one of the. Issues AND i take

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Speaker 2: what you just said, Here.

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Speaker 4: Barry we're looking At Sam williams as a second round,

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00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 4: pick and there's a disappointment because he never became a.

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00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 4: Starter when you're taking guys around, two you're expecting them

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Speaker 4: by year three or so to be impactful players and

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00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 4: guys that you can depend.

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Speaker 2: On he has not been.

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Speaker 4: That, yes but a one year deal for three million

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Speaker 4: dollars to add. Depth you're going to a three four.

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00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 4: Defense and one thing about, linebackers you need a lot of.

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00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: Them you need a lot of. Them you need a

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00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: lot of. Guys and so this is where a guy

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Speaker 2: Like sam is going to help.

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Speaker 4: You and by the, way all, right there's certain dudes

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Speaker 4: after a, while you don't want them playing special. Teams

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Speaker 4: some of your starting, players you don't want them necessarily

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Speaker 4: playing special.

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Speaker 2: Teams line.

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Speaker 4: Backer So Sam williams as a depth piece for three

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Speaker 4: million dollars on a one year, DEAL i have no

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00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 4: issue with. That, okay you're, playing you got four. Linebackers

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Speaker 4: you need a bunch of, these.

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Speaker 7: Dude that's.

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Speaker 5: True and mind, you he has been true to Give

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Speaker 5: devil's advocate as. Always he has made some plays on special.

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Speaker 2: Teams, yeah as a, gunner and he is as a.

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00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 5: Gunner to show that type of athleticism and stuff like.

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Speaker 5: That that shows that a guy is, Hardworking that shows

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Speaker 5: that he is. Willing so for, ME i don't believe

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Speaker 5: he's a starter right now from What i've, seen but

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Speaker 5: he has the. Tangible it's. Okay but he and that

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Speaker 5: is okay with. Me but ALSO i know how it

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Speaker 5: is being a journey man to sit there and have

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Speaker 5: that needer, like, Man i'm a sick round. PICK i

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Speaker 5: put that pressure on myself to go out there and

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Speaker 5: make the. Plays and maybe you're putting too much. Pressure

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00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 5: you're doing too much to get outside the. Scheme and

844
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Speaker 5: sometimes it takes a new, scenery a coach coming there and, say,

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Speaker 5: hey it's the reason why we brought you. Back now

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00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 5: you got to prove. It but, relax, young but this

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Speaker 5: is the, scene this is the, system and this is the.

848
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 5: Schematics all we want you to do is pass rush

849
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 5: and give a little fake and make your plays on

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00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 5: special team to develop.

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00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 2: What's the, downside one year, deal three million, dollars crazy

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00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: new defense depth. Piece there's there's no.

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Speaker 6: Doubt and Maybe i'm looking at it because you, Know

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Speaker 6: i'm biased WHERE i, say you, know being. UNDRAFTED i

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Speaker 6: look at these guys that are first second round, picks

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Speaker 6: and you get chance after.

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Speaker 4: Chance So i'm, like the disappointment is, there but but,

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Speaker 4: okay you gotta just take that out of it and

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Speaker 4: look seventeen.

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Speaker 5: Games if you were an, ORGANIZATION i understand asking this

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Speaker 5: newly when you say, disappointment because now you're being harsh

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Speaker 5: disappointment and ulsa disappointment.

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Speaker 7: Or see oh so you saw like you saw the.

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Speaker 5: Flashes, yeah but look at look how much he was,

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Speaker 5: ridiculed and people was, like, Oh i'm so. Disappointed never

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Speaker 5: had an issue With. LEADER i, didn't but the fan

867
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Speaker 5: base is killing him, saying, oh you're not the playmaker

868
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 5: that we want to see and this and. That so it's,

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Speaker 5: like if you didn't have a problem with, him why

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Speaker 5: do you have such a problem With sam that has

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Speaker 5: get round? Her but he's made plays on special team

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Speaker 5: and he's got any. Guy second and third round pick

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00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 5: is not that far in. Between we all know the first.

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Speaker 4: By the by the Time osa was up for free,

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Speaker 4: agency he was the best defensive lineman you had and

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Speaker 4: was much better THAN. I by the, way Have Masi

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Speaker 4: Smith brown was good, too because it's like man man

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Speaker 4: the first rap.

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Speaker 2: So so to, ME i, MEAN i, Mean i'm so,

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Speaker 2: SORRY i, SAID i Meant, Mazi i'm In mai.

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Speaker 13: So.

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Speaker 5: Sorry there was no disrespect, There, BRO i Meant mazi?

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Speaker 5: Disappointed was It mazi? Disappointment? Sam is he?

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Speaker 7: There?

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Speaker 6: HE i don't think he's as bad as, was but

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Speaker 6: the way rounded and was was not even. Act Yet

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Speaker 6: sam at least gave it. Special he did something for

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Speaker 6: the Way bozzy had A t shirt on exactly the.

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Speaker 6: Way but the way MISTER bc is over there talking About.

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Speaker 6: Sam you're talking about him, like, OH i don't believe

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Speaker 6: in or, no Like i'm happy that you Brought sam

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Speaker 6: back like a guy that showed me. Flashes and, hey

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Speaker 6: by the, way he hasn't played in the system like. This,

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Speaker 6: oh by the, way he hasn't been coached up by

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Speaker 6: the number one. Quote, well he's top three for, sure

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Speaker 6: past rush coach in the off season and developing players

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Speaker 6: and this is a guy that has all the tangibles

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Speaker 6: that need to be. Developed so as a fan for one,

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Speaker 6: year three million excited and he does more than just

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Speaker 6: rustled like he like he said special. Teams he can

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Speaker 6: death piece all that give your.

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Speaker 4: Name Rock, Kaufman, Yes Rock coffee was the guy that

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Speaker 4: kept bringing back on and he's gone, now but they

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Speaker 4: kept bringing back on on one year deals and he

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Speaker 4: would end up helping.

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Speaker 2: You he was always he was a, backup but he

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Speaker 2: ended up helping you when he. Can Sam williams give

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Speaker 2: you depth, piece you know like. THAT i Like rock

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Speaker 2: before the injury and a.

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Speaker 4: Defense that needs multiple linebackers over the seven N b

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Speaker 4: but not Like rock had to start games and you

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Speaker 4: didn't see a Crazy there was a time when it was,

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Speaker 4: LIKE i don't.

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Speaker 6: Know Bb, hoffman like there was not a crazy drop

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Speaker 6: off With Sam wals like the talents, there it's up

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Speaker 6: here like HE i think he's a.

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Speaker 5: Penalty waiting to. Happen i'm telling, you you, Know i'm

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Speaker 5: putting my. Out you know how you win there and

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Speaker 5: he might kill me for, this But i'm gonna jump

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Speaker 5: off the legs right. Now this is Gonna he's going

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Speaker 5: to make. It remember HOW i told you some guys

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Speaker 5: you're gonna see them transforming those systems if he can't

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Speaker 5: develop in this schematically and do everything they need.

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Speaker 7: TO i think this is going to be the year

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Speaker 7: that he's going to have that.

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Speaker 5: JUMP i think BC's between Having JORDANS Bt jordan in,

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Speaker 5: there between Having Rashaan gary and there is a proven

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Speaker 5: bet that is, Smart LIKE i think he is gonna

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Speaker 5: make that athletic. Jumping you're gonna see him getting big

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Speaker 5: money next. Off SO i could be completely come next,

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Speaker 5: Year Sam Sam, williams who will revive his career.

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Speaker 2: Could and you don't see it because who who's that?

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Speaker 5: Leader you don't you don't expect much from. That Shaun

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Speaker 5: gary uh Uh gary is going to be your. Leader

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Speaker 5: you're gonna Have Kenny, clark who's already came in and established.

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Speaker 5: Itself and by the, way he's gonna, say.

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Speaker 7: Hey r g by way when he was In Green,

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Speaker 7: bay he did this over. Here listen to. Him he

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Speaker 7: knows the. Way Quentin williams and and one.

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Speaker 2: Year three million dollars scratch off.

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Speaker 5: Ticket you have nothing to lose so much the. Game

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Speaker 5: give him grace and. That AND i wanted TO i

943
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Speaker 5: wanted to see where you're gonna be that harsh on.

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Speaker 5: Him and that's What i'm. Saying you're talking about him

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Speaker 5: like He's Mazzi. Broin' thank.

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Speaker 2: You let's let's end. It let's you Ain't mossie. BROTHER

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Speaker 2: i ain't putting you in that Out And i'm so

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Speaker 2: sorry for that.

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Speaker 4: Than you the, Bus Montree More Barry church Of new he,

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Speaker 4: Strugs Thanks, Josh Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Chrispying everybody made it. Happen this plays last right number thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen where's The where's the break at?

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