WEBVTT - 7 Signs Your Marriage/Relationship May Be Over 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, that folks, it is Saturday, August eighth, And how

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<v Speaker 1>is your marriage going? The past year? Things been quiet, calm, cool, peaceful,

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<v Speaker 1>all good. Well, yeah, your relationship is probably over. And

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<v Speaker 1>with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ,

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<v Speaker 1>where Robes has tracked down signs that your marriage is

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<v Speaker 1>what at its end or heading towards its end? What's

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<v Speaker 1>the right way to put their.

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<v Speaker 2>Or but they just kind of put it out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven signs your marriage is over.

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<v Speaker 3>It is over over.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen all seven. You've given me a hint

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<v Speaker 1>on one of them, but I haven't seen all seven.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll ask you, first of all, you agree with

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<v Speaker 1>all of them?

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>And what was interesting to me, because look, anyone who

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<v Speaker 2>has been in a failed relationship, or even if unfortunately

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<v Speaker 2>you failed, you know what You're right if you've experienced

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<v Speaker 2>the end of a relationship, the end of a marriage.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, a lot of times.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if everyone listening is like me, but

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<v Speaker 2>I do. I was googling stuff, I was searching stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to figure out why I was feeling,

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<v Speaker 2>how I was feeling, if anyone else had been in

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<v Speaker 2>the same boat. And so to see some of these signs.

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<v Speaker 2>It struck a nerve with me because I think I

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<v Speaker 2>would have liked to have known, at least feeling validated

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<v Speaker 2>that what I thought was happening was actually happening. And

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<v Speaker 2>there are some signs you don't necessarily equate with an

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<v Speaker 2>ending relationship or an ending marriage, And this first one

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<v Speaker 2>is that the last year of your marriage, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think you can apply this to even a relationship is

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<v Speaker 2>frequently the calmest one on record. Marriages relationships don't typically

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<v Speaker 2>die in a passionate ending. It usually is a quiet, slow.

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<v Speaker 3>Sad release, and we don't even see it happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, obviously there are pep people who have the big

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<v Speaker 2>arguments and it blows up and it's explosive, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think most people think about marriages ending, and they think

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<v Speaker 2>about infidelity, and they think about shouting matches, and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's what we see depicted in entertainment, but the reality is,

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<v Speaker 2>according to this article and a lot of experts, very

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<v Speaker 2>very different. And maybe that's why sometimes it's so hard

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<v Speaker 2>to even see the signs because we have an expectation

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<v Speaker 2>that it's going to be some big, fiery exchange where

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<v Speaker 2>you say fu f you and it's over.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you could still. I guess it's possible. Rope.

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<v Speaker 1>That big blow up and that fufu you talk about

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<v Speaker 1>came at the end of a calm year, right and

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<v Speaker 1>things finally just blew up in one moment after a

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<v Speaker 1>year of calm. That makes sense. It's something you've I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard you talk about forever. It's once you get to

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<v Speaker 1>a point of apathy, you just don't care. When you

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<v Speaker 1>just check out. You don't care if they come home,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't come home, if they pick up the dirty clothes,

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<v Speaker 1>if they don't give no damn yes about what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Learn when you go through a massive breakup that the

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<v Speaker 2>opposite of love is apathy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not hate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not anger. Hate and anger imply that you still

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<v Speaker 2>give a damn. When you are apathetic and you're calm

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't give a shit, that is when it's over.

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<v Speaker 1>My pastor used to always I think I've told you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, doctor Ashton. I remember telling her this in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>is my pastor compared it to having a car wreck.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you have a bad car accident and you're

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<v Speaker 1>an excruciating pain, congratulations, you still feel something. You can steal.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel if you have an accident and you can't feel

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<v Speaker 1>your extremities in your body, now you're in trouble. It's over.

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<v Speaker 1>You're paralyzed, it's done. He always can use that comparison

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<v Speaker 1>to a relationship. If something happens and you feel nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a sign it's over. Yeah, that is true.

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<v Speaker 2>And oftentimes I feel like, at least this is in

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<v Speaker 2>my experience. The biggest mistake I have made is not

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<v Speaker 2>leaving sooner. It's it's just staying because it's comfortable, staying

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<v Speaker 2>because it's scary, not to staying.

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<v Speaker 3>Because of the fear of the unknown.

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<v Speaker 2>But knowing deep down and having that acknowledgement, maybe you're

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<v Speaker 2>waiting for the big fight. You're waiting for that moment

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<v Speaker 2>where you can say, aha, here's the reason why.

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<v Speaker 1>And sometimes you're waiting for an excusing y'all. Sometimes you're

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for the other one to make the move so

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to. It's so true, like a relief.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, exactly this, And I just if anyone's listening,

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<v Speaker 2>I just like, you're not alone, and so many people

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<v Speaker 2>have experienced this, and so yes, go ahead, you say

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<v Speaker 2>there were.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven on the list, Ye you started with that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask you before you started with the

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<v Speaker 1>seven any of these apply to us right now?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, It's so funny you say that because

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<v Speaker 2>I did look at these seven signs and I tried

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<v Speaker 2>to see if any of them is applicable to our relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was kind of looking at it nervously. And

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<v Speaker 2>the answer is thankfully, no. Really, we do not fit

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<v Speaker 2>any of these with you, I think. So, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>look like, obviously we don't have a perfect relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody does.

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<v Speaker 2>We have our issues we have and we know what

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<v Speaker 2>they are, but it's certainly not about not caring. And look,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was so like, this is what got me.

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<v Speaker 2>This article started out with nobody slams the door, the

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<v Speaker 2>house runs on time, friends comment on how settled things seem,

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<v Speaker 2>but what replaces the fighting is difficult to see. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that is where that murky moment where you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what to do and yes you do become paralyzed,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's a sign. That's a sign. Okay, So here's

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<v Speaker 2>the first one. The arguing stop. Well, yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it is basically it's quite yes, I'm just the line

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<v Speaker 2>was the arguing stops.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, but nothing gets built in its place. So when

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<v Speaker 3>you stop complaining, when.

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<v Speaker 2>You stop saying this is bothering me to the other person,

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<v Speaker 2>when you stop doing all of that, that's a sign

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<v Speaker 2>that your relationship is over. Because if you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>somebody and saying this bothers me, that implies there's a

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<v Speaker 2>future in which you want something to be fixed, which

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<v Speaker 2>you want things to get better because you have a future.

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<v Speaker 2>When you stop telling the person what they're doing is

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<v Speaker 2>bothering you, that implies you don't care about what happens next.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a huge I never thought about it like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not gonna have to deal with this much longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are your bodies or I just don't care.

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<v Speaker 3>He can do whatever he wants. That doesn't bother me. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Number two, Every conversation is about logistics, and it's been

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<v Speaker 2>that way longer than you realize. What are we doing today?

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<v Speaker 2>Are we going to your mom's house? What's happening for Thanksgiving?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the weekend? All of your conversations are solely about logistics.

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<v Speaker 1>That's us, That is not us, that's what I would.

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<v Speaker 3>You talk about logistics? A lot of it's not the

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<v Speaker 3>only thing we talk.

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<v Speaker 1>About about, all right, come on. For the past month especially,

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<v Speaker 1>it has been a lot of coordinating kids and homes

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<v Speaker 1>and work and meetings, and it's been a lot. And

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<v Speaker 1>every time I was doing it before we even started here,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the plan today? When are you heading out? What

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<v Speaker 1>time is this happening?

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<v Speaker 3>And to say that you won't.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, every couple has to talk about logistics. But

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<v Speaker 2>you don't think we talk about anything else. You're so

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<v Speaker 2>full of it. But they cite a survey of divorcing couples.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought this was interesting. The two most commonly cited

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<v Speaker 2>reasons for divorce. Fifty five percent of people said it

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<v Speaker 2>was growing apart, and that means, yes, you have nothing

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<v Speaker 2>else in common, nothing else to talk about, no shared

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<v Speaker 2>experiences fifty five percent, and fifty three percent was not

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<v Speaker 2>being able to talk together, just about life, about your feelings.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes make those numbers match. It was over one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, there were there were different The two most

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<v Speaker 2>commonly so there were sighted got what I'm saying, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>so yes, it's it wasn't of the yes the matter here, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>there's Those were the two most commonly cided reasons growing

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<v Speaker 2>apart fifty five percent and not being able to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to each other fifty three percent. And then I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know the exact number, but they just noted that infidelity

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<v Speaker 2>was well behind, like much lower than you would think.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would say that's probably a symptom of the

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<v Speaker 2>other two problems. If you stay in it long enough

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<v Speaker 2>and you have grown apart and you can't talk to

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<v Speaker 2>one another, infidelity is likely to happen when that continues

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<v Speaker 2>on for longer.

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<v Speaker 3>Than it should.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that crazy? Grown folks understand that about marriage and

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<v Speaker 1>relationships adults. Anybody's been through anything grown, and there's a

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<v Speaker 1>difference between being an adult and being grown. Grown folks

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<v Speaker 1>understand this, But in public those discussions, we always need

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<v Speaker 1>to hear an immediate who did something.

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<v Speaker 3>He must have cheated, she must be.

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<v Speaker 1>Trade something, something had to of what is it?

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<v Speaker 3>It's not the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Grown folks know that, and anyone who's been in a

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<v Speaker 2>marriage long term understands that the growing apart and the

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<v Speaker 2>non communication leads to the other things that you then

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<v Speaker 2>point to as the reason why the marriage fell apart.

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<v Speaker 2>But that has nothing to do with why the marriage

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<v Speaker 2>fell apart. That was a symptom of the marriage falling apart.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do understand that now. When I was younger,

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<v Speaker 2>I did not.

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<v Speaker 1>It requires both parties to take responsibility something that's happened

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<v Speaker 1>in the relationship. Then one person ultimately does some dumb

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<v Speaker 1>shit at the end and you can then say, aha,

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<v Speaker 1>you and that's not really now.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, there are people who have sex addictions and some

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<v Speaker 2>people who love their spouses and can't help themselves, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's a whole other issue, or just make bad decisions,

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<v Speaker 2>poor impulse control.

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<v Speaker 3>That exists too.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not saying that that doesn't happen, but in

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<v Speaker 2>a large amount of cases, it's the fact that you

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<v Speaker 2>were not talking to each other about real things. You're

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<v Speaker 2>just focused on daily chores, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, yeah, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Need to keep an eye on that one. Do we

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot going on, babe.

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<v Speaker 3>And we do.

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<v Speaker 2>We work together too, and that is a danger and

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<v Speaker 2>you and I have both talked about that sometimes when

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<v Speaker 2>we go to lunch. We have working lunches, but there

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<v Speaker 2>have been moments when we say, hey, and maybe I

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<v Speaker 2>think we should do this on the weekends.

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<v Speaker 3>Even once we're done with work.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't talk about work on Saturday, like we have

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<v Speaker 2>a day where we just say, we don't talk about work,

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<v Speaker 2>we just have fun and talk about each other.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Number three, this is your third sign.

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<v Speaker 2>The small bids for attention stop getting answered and then

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<v Speaker 2>stop getting made.

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<v Speaker 3>So for here's an example.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm probably annoying you when I'm like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>look at this did you see what she posted? Or

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<v Speaker 2>look at this TikTok video that Ava sent me, or

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<v Speaker 2>look at that guy on the news. Something we see,

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<v Speaker 2>something we notice, we share with one another because we

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<v Speaker 2>want to experience it together.

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<v Speaker 3>You and I do that definitely, multiple time times a day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and I've told you this before. I never was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most attractive things about you is that

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<v Speaker 1>you get You have a childlike exuberance and excitement about

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<v Speaker 1>little things. I don't have that about even big things.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I'm not a giddy school boy about a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. So I don't ever want to feel or

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<v Speaker 1>seem like I am putting any kind of a damper

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<v Speaker 1>on what I see as you genuinely being excited about stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I last night was like, look at the orange sky,

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<v Speaker 2>look at the look at the moon.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always take a look over I always take a

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<v Speaker 1>look at the phone. And sometimes I'll roll my eyes

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<v Speaker 1>and I say, okay, baby, what is that? But that

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<v Speaker 1>is I understand what you're saying when you.

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<v Speaker 2>Said, so here's the deal there. These are seemingly insignificant.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought this was so interesting, seemingly insignificant throwaway lines

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<v Speaker 2>that babe, look.

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<v Speaker 3>At the moon.

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<v Speaker 2>The only question is whether the other person looks up.

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<v Speaker 2>When you are cited and sharing something silly, insignificant with

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<v Speaker 2>your partner, and they don't look up, they don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a sign and all that you need to

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<v Speaker 2>do is look up and be a part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But that speaks volumes because that small little wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>share means I want to I'm connecting with you. But

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<v Speaker 2>once you stop getting any sort of reception from those excited, small,

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<v Speaker 2>seemingly small bids for attention, you just stop making them stop.

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<v Speaker 2>You stop engaging your partner, and then you start doing

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<v Speaker 2>it to someone else. You start giving like it but

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<v Speaker 2>it seems so small, But they say, that's actually a

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<v Speaker 2>big sign.

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<v Speaker 3>But you do it to me too.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, babe, like I'll say, I'll go out of

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<v Speaker 2>the room, and something happened on the news, and there

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<v Speaker 2>was some funny interaction. You'll pause it and be like, babe,

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<v Speaker 2>come here, you got to see this. So you might

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<v Speaker 2>not share nature or seeing a golden sunset or a moon.

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<v Speaker 3>With me, but you share other things that get you all.

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<v Speaker 3>So we do this every.

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<v Speaker 1>Day, multiple times, day long.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, But I think it's good to remember that responding

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<v Speaker 2>and engaging is a part of that connection. And I

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<v Speaker 2>never even thought about those little, tiny exchanges as being

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<v Speaker 2>a big part of our relationship. And I start thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about other relationships and think, oh wow, yeah, you stop sharing,

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<v Speaker 2>you stop engaging in those little, small, seemingly mindless moments.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is why I had such a big problem

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<v Speaker 1>with your airport divorce thing that you brought to me

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<v Speaker 1>not long ago, the idea that couples split at the airport,

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<v Speaker 1>go do their own thing, and then meet at the plane.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what you're talking about with these little things. You're

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<v Speaker 1>so excited about something, something has brought you joy, So

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<v Speaker 1>what do you want to do? I want to share

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<v Speaker 1>that with the person I love. That's a very simple

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<v Speaker 1>concept that should be natural.

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<v Speaker 3>Rod.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no I go to things with my boys. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I go to concerts. I go to every wonderful experience

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<v Speaker 1>I have. I can't think of one in which I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want you there and to share it. I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>sitting here trying to think of one. There's some things

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<v Speaker 1>where you just can't go to with me and my boys.

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<v Speaker 3>But even when you're with your boys, you're texting me, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>you got to see this, like I wish you were

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<v Speaker 3>here whatever, like, And those are the moments.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, number four, This is huge And this really resonated

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<v Speaker 2>with me because I look back at former relationships and

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<v Speaker 2>I think, holy hell, this was in place for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Your good news starts finding a different audience. First the promotion,

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<v Speaker 2>the funny thing that happened at work, the small win,

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<v Speaker 2>something exciting or positive that happened to you throughout the day.

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<v Speaker 2>You start taking it to your sister, to your best friend,

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<v Speaker 2>to a coworker, to a group chat, and your spouse

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the last people you tell, if you

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<v Speaker 2>tell them at all. That is huge and I absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>recognized that that was happening in my relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's one that folks, that's an important one

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<v Speaker 1>you ask yourself that you might not realize you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you stop and think I'm thinking about previous

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<v Speaker 1>relationships and things that happened that years later. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even realize that the person I was with didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>like way, I didn't tell you that. It was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a big moment for me.

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<v Speaker 3>And you should ask yourself why, why not? Why?

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<v Speaker 1>And we have other people around knew about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I talked about it and sought help for things. Even Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a big one. I think that can get overlooked.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely all right, when we come back, we have got

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<v Speaker 2>three more. These are so fascinating and everyone who is

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<v Speaker 2>in a marriage and a relationship needs to stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ. We are going

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<v Speaker 2>over some fascinating signs that everyone in a marriage or

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<v Speaker 2>a relationship needs to pay attention to, because, according to

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<v Speaker 2>a couple experts, these are the signs that your marriage

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<v Speaker 2>may be over. So the fifth sign your future is

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<v Speaker 2>described in the singular and nobody flinches. They said, pronouns

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<v Speaker 2>are everything. So instead of saying we're gonna do this,

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<v Speaker 2>what are we doing us hour? When people constantly use

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<v Speaker 2>us an hour, that is a positive sign that yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you are talking about being together now and in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you start noticing you or your partner is saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I me like, it's funny. I know you're teasing, but

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<v Speaker 2>I actually flinch when you say, what are you doing today?

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<v Speaker 2>What are your plans today? And I know you're just

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<v Speaker 2>trying to ask me what I have on my agenda

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<v Speaker 2>so you can work around our agenda with what I

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<v Speaker 2>want to do. But it's so funny even hearing you

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<v Speaker 2>ask me what are you doing? Or what do you

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<v Speaker 2>want for lunch? I'm like, what are we doing? What

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<v Speaker 2>do we want for lunch? Like it's funny how that

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<v Speaker 2>singular plural excuse me, that singular pronoun can actually like

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<v Speaker 2>make my chest tighten?

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't that wild?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, I'll stop doing it. I'm doing it. I

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<v Speaker 1>do it on purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you do. Like I know, I know you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing it. You're making a choice and you're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>you're teasing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's with malice, yes, but that's kind of how we roll.

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<v Speaker 3>I get that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like, you know what, that's like friend vibes, Like

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<v Speaker 2>when we were friends, you would like poke me like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and you still do it even though we are yes engaged,

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<v Speaker 2>But it's funny, Like I always I recognize it and

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<v Speaker 2>I laugh, but I actually look at it as a wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I really really want to be with this guy. Like

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<v Speaker 2>it bothers me. When he says that, I think. So

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<v Speaker 2>if it doesn't bother you, that's the problem. When nobody flinches,

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<v Speaker 2>that's when you have your warning sign. Everybody will say

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<v Speaker 2>I me whatever. But if for some reason it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>hit a nerve with you, that's a sign.

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<v Speaker 1>I can say that. If it doesn't strike a nerve,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the one you wouldn't even pay attention to because

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't bother you to hear it, and you don't

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<v Speaker 1>realize not bothering, not being bothered is actually a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the future, it gets disc in this singular and

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<v Speaker 2>nobody flinches. That is your fifth warning sign. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>this is crazy number six. And this is a telltale

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<v Speaker 2>sign Affection drains out while everything stays exactly the same.

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<v Speaker 2>So there is this study that followed newlyweds for thirteen years.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what they're sighting, okay, and they say what

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<v Speaker 2>separated the couples headed for divorce was disillusionment, an abatement

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<v Speaker 2>of love, a decline in overt affection, a fading conviction

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<v Speaker 2>that one's spouse is responsive and rising ambivalence. Okay, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what they described it as this right, but here's how

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<v Speaker 2>they actually put it in Layman's terms. I thought this

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<v Speaker 2>was so cool. Think about this. Wow, this reminds me

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<v Speaker 2>of us so much so. When you're in the kitchen,

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<v Speaker 2>does your spouse, when he walks by you or she

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<v Speaker 2>walks by you, just put his or her hand on

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<v Speaker 2>your back, just touches you as they're passing you when

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<v Speaker 2>they go past your seat.

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<v Speaker 3>When you're seated, do they squeeze your arm? Do they

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<v Speaker 3>give you a kiss?

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<v Speaker 2>Do they just touch you that disappears the goodbye kiss

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<v Speaker 2>might stay. So the obligatory uh seriously, the obligatory affection,

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<v Speaker 2>kissing someone goodbye, saying I love you at the end,

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<v Speaker 2>all of that is kind of obligatory.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's the little.

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<v Speaker 2>Tiny moments when you have an opportunity when it's not obligatory.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you touch your partner? Do you show affection when

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<v Speaker 2>it's not required or not expected? That is a telltale

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<v Speaker 2>sign that your marriage is in a good place. If

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<v Speaker 2>that isn't happening, that is a warning sign. Wow, when

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<v Speaker 2>you get up and you just touch me, I'm telling you.

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<v Speaker 2>My entire body chemistry changes this.

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<v Speaker 1>I swear you've complained before about me touching you too much,

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<v Speaker 1>like I do not walk past you without touching. I

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<v Speaker 1>love when you touch it in the house, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it every time going, certainly in the kitchen

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<v Speaker 1>and walking by. There have been time. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you've seen it, but our studio is set up

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<v Speaker 1>here at the house to where your back is to

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<v Speaker 1>the door the entrance to the studio here, so I

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<v Speaker 1>have to walk past you to leave, and I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>going to get a drink or something. I have walked

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<v Speaker 1>out of the room afoot it turned around and came

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<v Speaker 1>back and gave you a kiss on the neck because

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I loved it, and it wasn't obligatory. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>just showing I care about you.

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<v Speaker 3>I love you.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it actually made me want to cry to

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<v Speaker 2>think about that disappearing. So the hand on the back

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<v Speaker 2>passing in the kitchen disappears, while the goodbye kiss stays

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<v Speaker 2>on schedule. So yeah, So if it's just duty and

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<v Speaker 2>performative and not just that moment where you just say, hmm,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to I want to touch that person I

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<v Speaker 2>want to kiss that person and look, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>it's what I'm learning from this article and from these experts.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all the little small things.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are where you actually can see the health of

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<v Speaker 2>your relationship or the decline of it.

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<v Speaker 1>We think it's the big thing, the big gesture, the

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<v Speaker 1>big moments.

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<v Speaker 2>It's crazy, all right, and the final final sign that

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<v Speaker 2>your marriage may be over. One of you describes a

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<v Speaker 2>completely different marriage. So they say a peaceful year can

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<v Speaker 2>actually have two people on very different clocks. One is

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<v Speaker 2>in the terminal phase and the other doesn't suspect anything

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<v Speaker 2>because visibly it's gotten easier. And I have seen this happen.

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<v Speaker 2>I have experienced this. So yes, it's peaceful. Yes, no

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<v Speaker 2>one's fighting. Yes there's no yelling and screaming, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>no tension. But one person likely has completely checked out

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<v Speaker 2>and is done and gone, and the other person is

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<v Speaker 2>just relieved that things have gotten easier, but isn't actually

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<v Speaker 2>examining what's going on. And so therefore you'll have one

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<v Speaker 2>person who's shocked that the other person comes to them

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<v Speaker 2>and says.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm done, and I've been done for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they think everything's peaceful everything's good and that's good enough.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's really fascinating to know that you

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<v Speaker 2>can have all the signs and one person is in

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<v Speaker 2>a completely different space than the other.

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<v Speaker 3>And that is why you have to check in.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to talk about things more than logistics, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's better to know. I think sometimes people don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to know. They just try to pretend like it's all good.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just pretend that everything's fine. But that is a

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<v Speaker 2>huge Like if you talk to these two people, they

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<v Speaker 2>would literally describe a different marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I wonder how we would describe this relationship if

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<v Speaker 1>we would describe it differently.

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<v Speaker 3>Possibly, I think everyone has unique experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>But the glaring one is I'm done, and the other

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<v Speaker 2>one's like, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>Are that good?

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<v Speaker 3>Big difference. I am good, but I'm always wanting to improve.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'd have to be the one that's done.

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<v Speaker 3>Then well I'm not done, okay, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you're good. Just making sure I'm not done.

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<v Speaker 3>You want to give me the answer on that one?

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<v Speaker 1>Not on Mike Ah, y'all should see her face right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just but a face right now, Will you stop?

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<v Speaker 3>I know you're joking. I just want to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>everybody else needs.

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<v Speaker 1>So now you're worried about what other people think about

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<v Speaker 1>our relationship. We're back to this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, no, but this is something I just

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<v Speaker 2>thought this was really interesting, and I think the takeaway

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<v Speaker 2>is that it is all of those little micro moments

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<v Speaker 2>that you show love, you show you care, you show

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<v Speaker 2>you're there for that person, You want to hear what

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<v Speaker 2>they have to say, you care what they think. That

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<v Speaker 2>is what makes a marriage last. So we'll keep working

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<v Speaker 2>on all of that, babe. And with that everyone, we

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<v Speaker 2>always appreciate you listening to us. I maybe Robock alongside TJ. Holmes,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk sake