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Prior 21 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 3: to that, though he's the infamous special he's the prosecutor, 22 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: the federal prosecutor, a US attorney who gave the sweetheart 23 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 3: non prosecution agreement to Epstein back in two thousand and seven, 24 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 3: where effectively the Palm Beach County PA was pursuing an 25 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 3: investigation against Epstein. They said they didn't have the resources 26 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 3: to be able to pursue it. They turned it over 27 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 3: to the FEDS. The FEDS, some FBI agents and others 28 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 3: said that they had a very clear cut case against Epstein. 29 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 3: Alex Acosta basically takes over the case and strikes a 30 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 3: non prosecution agreement with Epstein where he agrees to plead 31 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: guilty to some very very low level charges, register as 32 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 3: a sex offender. He gets to serve his time, you know, 33 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: basically in and out for work release in the Palm 34 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 3: Beach County jail, and that non prosecution agreement eventually gets 35 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: struck down in court in twenty eighteen for violating the 36 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: rights of the Epstein victims because they did not inform them. 37 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: Of the sweetheart deal that they struck. 38 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 3: Obviously, there's been a lot of questions why did alex 39 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 3: Acosta even do this even when he knew he would 40 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: have violated the victims' rights when he obviously, at least 41 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 3: according to people who were involved in the case at 42 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 3: the time, thought that they had it much more of 43 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 3: a slam dunk case. There's been conspiracy Allegedly, there's that 44 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: quote attributed to him that quote he belonged to intelligence. 45 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 3: That's potentially one investment, you know, one avenue for why 46 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: things went down. The other is that the Bush administration, 47 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 3: people like Kennis Starr and others, or ax Dershowitz, who 48 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 3: was hired by Epstein's lawyers, basically put immense amount of pressure, 49 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 3: using money and special connections to convince it. But no 50 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 3: matter what, we can all agree that deal was corrupt 51 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 3: and it was ridiculous considering what they had, which the 52 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 3: Department of Justice eventually said that alex Acosta violated DOJ 53 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,399 Speaker 3: policy by pursuing that now potentially scapegoating here. 54 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: Well, all of that being said. 55 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 3: Alex Costa now recently appeared before the House Oversight Committee 56 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 3: behind closed doors to answer some questions, and some of 57 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 3: the members talked about how he was evasive, how he 58 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 3: denigrated some of the victims, and how in a lot 59 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 3: of ways he still does not accept responsibility for giving 60 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 3: him that sweetheart deal. So let's take a listen to 61 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 3: one of the first quotes from a legislator who was 62 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 3: able to question Alex Costa. 63 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 4: Covers engave Man at a California forty seven and before 64 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 4: coming to Congress, I was a law professor that you 65 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 4: see Herbie, and I'll tell you after THEA was sitting 66 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 4: with alix A Costa, I found him to be completely 67 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 4: non incredible as a weakness, his answers were evasive, they obfuscated, 68 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 4: and they were just not believable. Just to give you 69 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 4: one example, we know that his chief federal prosecute, in 70 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 4: addition to bringing a long charging memo and a prosecution memo, 71 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 4: had actually said that the computer evidence. 72 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,839 Speaker 5: That was being withheld by the defense at that point 73 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 5: in time all these files a sortay ons videos for 74 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 5: ashtalk pornography, they were not producing it. 75 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 4: She said that that was the smoking gun that will 76 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 4: put this whole thing to bed. 77 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 5: When I asked Alex Acosta about this, his response was 78 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 5: that he didn't actually review the evidence on this case 79 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 5: and would have no input on this, which is just 80 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 5: impossible to believe. Given the high profile nature of Jeffrey 81 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 5: Epstein at the time, given the fact that Alexe Coosta 82 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 5: was having meetings with the attorneys for Jeffrey Epstein temporaneous 83 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 5: with all this completely non incredible. 84 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 4: I doubt we'll get a lot of honesty out of 85 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 4: him today. 86 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 5: But what we're hoping to get is a roadmap to 87 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 5: the types of evidence that we can demand from as 88 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 5: the Oversight committee, from the state roadmap to that, and 89 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 5: of course we can continue to get I believe a 90 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 5: lack of remorse, a lot of obfuscation alex Acosta very frustrating, 91 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 5: but we aren't going to. 92 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 3: Get answered evasive didn't provide clear answers. I mean, this 93 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: is a very important, high stakes interview because you're being 94 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: transcribed under oath. He's going to be asked about intelligence. 95 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 3: But a lot of the more important stuff is some 96 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 3: of the background info, of the basics of how he 97 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 3: mishandled the case in the beginning, in fact, at some 98 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 3: times claiming that he never even reviewed victim testimony before 99 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 3: signing this deal. What does that tell you, guys, is that, 100 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 3: in my opinion, this is my pure speculation, pressure from 101 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 3: the top get this to go away. That is, frankly like, 102 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: in what other trafficking investigation involving. 103 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: Minors, would you ever not review the testimony of victims? 104 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 6: Right? 105 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: How is that possible? 106 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: So his cope is basically like, oh, well, I didn't 107 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: think these victims would stand up to scrutiny, and I 108 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 2: was worried we wouldn't get a conviction at all. So 109 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 2: it's like, okay, well then you closely review the victim's. 110 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 6: Testimony, right, yeah, exactly, no, right. 111 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: And this really is, like, you know, this is sort 112 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: of the core of where all the questions flow from 113 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 2: about whether he's intelligence what is it just that he 114 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 2: was a rich guy and so he got this sweetheart deal? 115 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: I mean, that would be an important thing to know. 116 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: But look, we're not going to be pollyanna about a 117 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: tuttier system of justice in this country. But rich people 118 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 2: do go to jail here sometimes. Yeah, Like they do 119 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 2: go to prison. They do, you know, have to like 120 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 2: serve their time, and justice is served in instances even 121 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: where there are wealthy individuals involved. So was it really 122 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: just that he was so rich and had such a 123 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: high powered legal team or was there something else going 124 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 2: on here? Because we're talking about dozens of girls who 125 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 2: had come forward at you know, great risk and in 126 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 2: very difficult circumstances, many of them who had very traumatic 127 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 2: backgrounds to begin with, and all of that gets swept aside, 128 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: and then, you know, something that is undeniable is that 129 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 2: this agreement, this sweetheart deal, actively violated. 130 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 6: I mean, and Judge said this was illegal, actually violated. Yes, 131 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 6: those victims' rights, that's the only reason. 132 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 2: Because it was all done in secrecy and the victims 133 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 2: were not notified at all. They had no idea until 134 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein is being escorted into the courthouse. This and 135 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 2: this thing was done and dusted. 136 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: It's totally crazy still in retrospect how it all happened, Like, really, 137 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 3: there's Okham's raised. Actually, no, not true because one of 138 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 3: the allegation for why it didn't involve intelligence or government 139 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 3: support is basically, yeah, he had really rich lawyers. I 140 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 3: just don't accept that. If you talk to the FBI 141 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 3: or if you look at the interviews with the FBI 142 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: agents the Palm Beach County PD, the testimony that they 143 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 3: had it looked pretty damn clear. And remember they had 144 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: an indictment prepared against him before the non prosecution agreement. Now, 145 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 3: Alex Costa says, we didn't think it would hold up 146 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 3: in court. A lot of the FBI agents on the 147 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: case disagree. By the way, still have never been able 148 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 3: to review that indictment. 149 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: So I have no idea. 150 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: So I would love for that to be I would 151 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 3: love for that to be released. That would be part 152 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: of the Fsteine files. Number two is that there was 153 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 3: a call from main justice to make this go away. 154 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: So let's explain Alex Acosta, US attorney for Southern Florida. Well, 155 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 3: the number two over at the DOJ, who is you know, 156 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 3: amenable to pressure for the at the time Bush administration. 157 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 3: You have Kennet Starr, the famous lawyer, special prosecutor or 158 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 3: whatever involved in the Clinton case, who is able to 159 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 3: work the government. And then that's where the potential you know, 160 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 3: intelligence potential intelligence connections I might choose my words carefully, 161 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 3: could come into play where they call a costa and 162 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: they're like, listen, man, you need to make the shape 163 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 3: just go away. And again, considering how the CIA and 164 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 3: intelligence offices have done that before in pedophile related cases, 165 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: it doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility. It's just 166 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 3: an empirical fact. They have used their pressure on the 167 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: Justice Department to protect intelligence and assets caught up in 168 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 3: pedophilia because they don't want sources and methods to be 169 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: revealed in open court. That's just the truth, you know. 170 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 3: So I don't know, it could be a combination of 171 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 3: all of the above, right, But the point means That's 172 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: why this is a case that you must dig into. 173 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: The other possible Like I don't know if you'd call 174 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: this an innocent explanation, but you you know, have talked 175 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: about how Epstein was in Israel while this was all 176 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: being negotiated, and so possible that there was an implicit 177 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: or explicit threat of like, if he doesn't get a 178 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 2: deal that he's willing to accept, he's just not coming back. 179 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: And then you have this like global kerfuffle about this 180 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: pedophile and Israel's harboring him, and you know, obviously when 181 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: I want to upset that relationship. So they just decided, okay, 182 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: well let's give him the sweetheart deal that he'll agree 183 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: to so he'll come back and at least serve some 184 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: sort of time, and we can just make all of 185 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: this go away. That would be another like quote unquote 186 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: sort of innocent explanation that doesn't require him to be 187 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: directly Masade or CIA for that threat of like, I'm 188 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: just going to stay in Israel and you're not going 189 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: to be able to get me back whatsoever, and it's 190 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 2: going to be this big, messy international diplomatic fight if 191 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 2: you do try to get me back. 192 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. It's true. 193 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 3: I mean, even his timeline at Israel is very unclear. 194 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 3: It was reported by Vicky Ward the rumor was that 195 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 3: he had fled to Israel with all of his assets. 196 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 3: He called her and he was like, actually, I'm back 197 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 3: in New York. 198 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: Was you want to live in Israel? Kind of talking back. 199 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: We know from Palm Beach Post. 200 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 3: Local media that he arrived back in the United States 201 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 3: from Israel around the time of all of this. So true, 202 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 3: he was there, we know that for sure. Whether those 203 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: threats and all that were made, we don't know. I've 204 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 3: talked about here with the Alexandrovitch case about how extradition 205 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 3: basically doesn't exist between the US and Israel, especially for 206 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: any Jewish American. You can just flee there, And I mean, 207 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 3: you know, there was a recent case. It took a 208 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 3: decade to bring some guy back. And there's actually some 209 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 3: pedophiles from the nineteen eighties who were living there with 210 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: total impunity and have faced no justice and no extradition whatsoever. 211 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, you're right, it definitely could be. 212 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 3: Last thing that we wanted to show everybody here is 213 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 3: just from the lawmakers themselves about his evasiveness. 214 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. Can you share what you've learned 215 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: from alex Acosta so far? 216 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 7: I just stepped out of the transcribed interview with alex Acosta. 217 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 7: We'll be heading back in. We've had several hours of 218 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 7: questioning where primarily we are trying to first of all, 219 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:25,719 Speaker 7: understand why alex Acosta struck such a sweetheart deal for 220 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 7: Jeffrey Epstein, why he helped Jeffrey Epstein evade the law. 221 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 7: And I'm going to be quite honest with you. Thus far, 222 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 7: alex Acosta does not seem to be a credible witness 223 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 7: to me. He is extremely evasive, very difficult to get 224 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 7: straightforward answers out of him regarding what happened during this time, 225 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 7: what he knew of the relationship between Donald Trump and 226 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:53,479 Speaker 7: Jeffrey Epstein, why he only focused on a single state prosecution, 227 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 7: did not charge Jeffrey Epstein for federal crimes. 228 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 3: So very important, you know, from the testimony of the 229 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 3: legislators and others. Hoping the transcript and all of that 230 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 3: is made available very quickly, why. 231 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: Don't we get to BONDI yeah, so this is an 232 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: extraordinary development. 233 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 6: Trump posted something on. 234 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 2: True Social that appeared to be intended as a DM. 235 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 2: I'm curious what you think about this. We can put 236 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: this up on the screen, and it's a sort of 237 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: direct pressure on Pam Bondy over the prosecutions of his 238 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: political opponents that he wants to see go forward. So 239 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 2: he posted Pam, I have reviewed over thirty statements in 240 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 2: posts saying that essentially same old story as last time. 241 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: All talk, no action, nothing is being done. What about 242 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: Comy Adam shifty shift Letitia. They're all guilty as hell, 243 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: but nothing is going to be done. Then we almost 244 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: put in a Democrat supported US attorney in Virginia with 245 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: a really bad Republican past, a woke rhino who was 246 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: never going to do his job. That's why two of 247 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 2: the worst dem senators pushed him so hard. He even 248 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: lied to the media and said he quit and that 249 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 2: we had no case. No I fired him, and there 250 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: is a great case, and many layers and legal pundits said, 251 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: so Lindsay is a. 252 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 6: Really good lawyer. This is the person he's replacing. 253 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: This other prosecutors complaining about with and likes you a lot. 254 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 2: We can't delay any longer. It's killing our reputation credibility. 255 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: They impeach me twice and indicted me five times. Exclamation 256 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: point over nothing, all caps. Justice must be served now, 257 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: President DJT. So the thought is that this was meant 258 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: to be sent privately. I don't know if it was 259 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 2: or not, or if this was, you know, like an 260 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 2: accident intentionally onto the main true social It is wild 261 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: if this is like how he sends messages, because it's 262 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: in the exact same coat cadence as his public posts, 263 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: with the weird capitalizations and the overhyping in the exclamation 264 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 2: points or whatever. But the more important point here is 265 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: what is he talking about. There wasn't in particular, an 266 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 2: effort to charge Letitia James, who is the Attorney General 267 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: in New York who Trump hates because she went after 268 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 2: him for his overinflating of his real estate assets and 269 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: lying about his networth and blah blah blah, and in 270 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: order to secure loans at favorable race. So he's mad 271 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 2: at her for going after him in this prosecution. There 272 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: were threats made directly to her from Ed Martin, telling 273 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: her she should resign her position as a. 274 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 6: Gesture of goodwill. 275 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 2: She of course did not do that, and so instead 276 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 2: they were trying to get her on alleged mortgage fraud, 277 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 2: with the allegation being that she had presented two separate 278 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: residences as her primary residence when in reality, obviously only 279 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: one of your things can be a primary residence. Without 280 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 2: going into all of the details, there was no there 281 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 2: there There was one paper that was filed that was incorrect, 282 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: but then she wrote back and said no, no, no, 283 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 2: this isn't my primary residence, just to be clear, So 284 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: there was nothing that they could charge. This is also 285 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: a tactic that they've used multiple times. This is the 286 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 2: same thing that they tried to do with the FED Board, 287 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: one of the governors on the FED Board who they 288 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: tried to push out under the same like very sketchio, 289 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: we're going to claim you did mortgage fraud thing. And 290 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 2: there was one other blanket on that they tried to 291 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 2: do the same thing. It's all coming from the same 292 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: guy within the Trump administration who's trying to go after 293 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 2: these opponents. So this prosecutor in the Eastern District of Virginia, 294 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 2: very important court handles a lot of the like national security, 295 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 2: high profile terrorism cases. It's right across the river here 296 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 2: in Alexandria. This prosecutor was like, I can't like there's 297 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: no there there. I'm not going to you know, charge 298 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: a case where there is nothing to be charged. 299 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 6: And so he's being pushed down. 300 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: And now Trump is exerting this pressure on pam body 301 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: of like you need to make up something against these people. 302 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 2: Historically there was always a separation and an attempt to 303 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: make sure there was an appearance of total separation between 304 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: the president and the DOJ. So there's a sense at 305 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 2: least that there's like, you know, neutral justice and it's 306 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: not being politicized. That obviously with this president is completely 307 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: out the window. 308 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what is what has happened with the 309 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 3: mortgage one is like with Lisa in particular and Letitia James. 310 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just obviously a pretext. 311 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 6: I mean whatever they're doing the same thing with shift right, 312 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 6: Oh that's what is more. 313 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, is mortgage frod that common? 314 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: You know? I Mean that's one thing I kind of. 315 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 3: Learned from The Wire season one is that apparently mortgage 316 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: fraud is as practiced by a lot of people. But 317 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 3: my major, my major question around this with the pretext 318 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 3: for Lisa Coke and all of that is how do 319 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: they get how do they expect that to stand up 320 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 3: in court if you're going to use it against three separate, 321 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 3: obvious political opponents and say that it is in no 322 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 3: way quote not. 323 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: A political persecution. 324 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: That's why I was like, come on, like, are we 325 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 3: not getting more creative here in terms of mortgage fraud. 326 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 3: It's one of those where what you have watched this 327 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 3: happen is it's the same Jeff Sessions. 328 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: I was just looking it up. 329 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 3: July of twenty twenty seventeen is the first time Trump 330 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 3: attacks Jeff Sessions when he's mad at him, not for. 331 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: Recusing himself the Russian investigation. 332 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: We're exact same playbook here, you know, with what's happening 333 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 3: with Pam Bondy is if you don't do Trump genuinely 334 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: believes the DJ is like his personal lawyer, Like that's 335 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 3: his view as basically from day one with Jeff Sessions, 336 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 3: well with Bondi and all of them. Because they actually 337 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 3: have to bring a case against them, they're sometimes like, yeah, 338 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 3: we can't do this because we'll lose in court or 339 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 3: double jeopardy or something like that. Would we to take 340 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 3: it to trial, and he just will not accept that. 341 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 3: And so that's the fundamental tension why anybody who took 342 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 3: the ag job idiot in my opinion, Like why you 343 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 3: would ever want to be the ag for Donald Trump 344 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 3: after what happened with Sessions? And then the next I 345 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 3: don't even remember his name before Bill Maher the act 346 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 3: with fil was his name Bill will Barr, Bill Barr. 347 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 6: Bill Maher. That would be interesting. 348 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: Well, and just so you know, well, your point is 349 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: an interesting one because I was saying about this with Bondi, right, 350 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: like Bondi is a long time Trump's sick of fans, 351 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: she like let didn't she let him on some charges 352 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 2: on Trump University or whatever, Like she knows where bread 353 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 2: is butter. She's there because he knows she's going to 354 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 2: do whatever it is that you know, he wants her 355 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: to do as long as she can figure out a 356 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 2: way to do it, which she just can't even figure 357 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 2: out how to do in this instance. But it's not 358 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 2: like she's being beloved by the Maga Bass. She's also 359 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: like a scapegoat for when she she came out and 360 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: said that thing last week about like free speech and 361 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: hate speech or two different things, and there were a 362 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: bunch of people on the right who were like, look 363 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 2: at Pam Bonnie and how could she do this? Candice 364 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: was saying stuff, I don't know who else, but a 365 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 2: bunch of people on the right, we're upset about that. 366 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 2: Trump says the same, like, this obviously came from Trump, Right, 367 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 2: this comes directly from Trump. Trump says the same shit. 368 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 2: They don't get upset with him. She takes all the 369 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: incoming on any sort of like free speech stuff that 370 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 2: they're unhappy with. So you get to be in this 371 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: position of being under Trump's thumb and just being a 372 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 2: sick a fan and having to go out there and 373 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 2: do like basically humiliation rituals routinely. And then it's not 374 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 2: like they even getting love from the magabas because they 375 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 2: hate you too, and they feel like you messed up 376 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 2: the Epstein thing. Even though you're doing that for Trump's bidding. 377 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 2: They feel like you're you know, they don't like what 378 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 2: you said on hate speech whatever. So doesn't seem like 379 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: a great gig in my personal view, And. 380 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: Why would it be. 381 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're either the whipping boy for his idiocy or 382 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 3: the whipping boy for not acting on his idiocy as. 383 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 6: Exactly job exactly. 384 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, And one last thing, just about this, this person 385 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: that you know was forced down who was the US 386 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 2: Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, and that Trump 387 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: is talking about here. It's not like this guy with 388 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 2: some lib He was a former DC police officer, joined 389 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 2: the Eastern District of Virginia back in twenty ten, was 390 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 2: nominated for the role by Trump this year. So this 391 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 2: was like the guy Trump put in literally this year. 392 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 2: But since he wouldn't gin up some fake charges against 393 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 2: Letitia James, he's being you know, he. 394 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 6: Was forced down. 395 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 2: The new person they're putting in is a senior White 396 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: House aide, Lindsay Halligan, apparently has no experience really in 397 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 2: this realm of law whatsoever. I think she was like 398 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: insurance law or something like that coming into But I 399 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,479 Speaker 2: guess they feel confident that she'll be the one that 400 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 2: will make up these charges and figure it out in 401 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 2: the way that Trump wants to. 402 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 6: So we will see. 403 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 2: But just one more quite extraordinary instance of the way 404 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: Trump approaches government, his weaponization of government, just making it 405 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: abundantly explicit that he wants to use the DOJ to 406 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 2: find some way to criminalize his political opponents. And we 407 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: have to say, like, if this was any other president 408 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: and this came, you know, this is out there in 409 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 2: the public record. 410 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,719 Speaker 6: He posted it himself. 411 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: These that would be talk of empeagement, right, this would 412 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 2: be a huge, huge national scandal, and it's getting media coverage. 413 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: It is a scandal. But with Trump, it's like there's 414 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 2: so many other things going on that you know, this 415 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 2: will by next week we'll be talking about something, right. 416 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. 417 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 3: It's it's look, that's he's broken that since twenty seventeen. 418 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 3: He's always hated his attorney generals, which you know, what 419 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 3: does he say, like my generals, my lawyers, Like that's 420 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 3: the kind of language that he uses here. I do 421 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 3: think it is interesting that even BONDI in them are 422 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 3: not bringing cases just show you. I mean, they'll bring 423 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 3: the case against the sandwich guy and lose and get 424 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 3: humiliated in court. So just you know, it's not exactly 425 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 3: like these people aren't willing to go the extra miles. 426 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 3: I think that's probably a lesson. That's usually what ends 427 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 3: up happening with Trump. But no, I mean, look, it's crazy, 428 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 3: there's no getting around it. 429 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go ahead and get to the latest with Israel. 430 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 2: We've got a number of updates we wanted to get 431 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 2: to here. First of all, I'll save my opinion on 432 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 2: this for a moment, but a number of states, specifically UK, 433 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: Australian Canada, have all coordinated coming out and saying we 434 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: are now going to recognize the Palestinian state. 435 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 6: Let's go ahead and take a listen to that. 436 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 5: Australia will recognize the Stite of Palestine. 437 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 7: Your Canada intends to recognize the state of Palestine. 438 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 8: The Israeli government's relentless and increasing bombardment of Gaza, the 439 00:20:54,480 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 8: offensive of recent weeks, the starvation a devastation are utterly intolerable. 440 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 8: We call again on the Israeli government to lift the 441 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 8: unacceptable restrictions of the border, stop these cruel tactics and 442 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 8: let the AID surge in with the actions of her Mass. 443 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 8: The Israeli government escalating the conflict and settlement building being 444 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 8: accelerated in the West Bank. The hope of a two 445 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 8: state solution is fading. That the United Kingdom formally recognizes 446 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 8: the state of Palestine today we join over one hundred 447 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 8: and fifty countries who recognize a Palestinian state also. 448 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 6: So it's a. 449 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 2: Sign certainly of how untenable Israel's position is globally, but 450 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 2: it's also, you know, it's really incredibly ineffectual from these 451 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 2: nations as well. You know now they're Palestinian state has 452 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: been destroyed, the West Bank has been all but annexed. 453 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 2: Gaza is being leveled as we speak. Now, you're going 454 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: to recognize a Palestinian state, but you're not going to 455 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 2: do any of the things that would actually hurt us really, right, 456 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 2: You're not going to like sanction them or cut off 457 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 2: trade or you know, do any of the sorts of 458 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 2: things that could actually tighten the grip on them economically, 459 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 2: which would be far more painful than just some like 460 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 2: theoretical recognition that Okay, I guess it's better than nothing, 461 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: but it seems calibrated to like signal to their population 462 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 2: that they hear them and they're concerned and they're doing 463 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: a thing without actually doing any of the things that 464 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 2: would be more difficult. 465 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 3: I don't know, because at the same time, like state 466 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 3: recognition is a huge thing that comes with un privileges. 467 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,479 Speaker 3: These nuclear armed states, in some cases they're members of NATO, 468 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 3: of five eyes, the Anglo sphere. Like that is a 469 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 3: statement in and of itself, Like, look, I think nothing 470 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 3: will ever please a lot of the liberals who are like, all, 471 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 3: it's like, look, we live in political reality, Like an 472 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 3: arms embargo from the West is not going to happen, 473 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 3: But a statement of recognition for Palestine is still something 474 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 3: because what it means is that if Israel were to 475 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 3: completely annex all of what is what recognized as Palestine, 476 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 3: that does leave you know, the door open to at 477 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 3: least saying like, no, we're not going to recognize this. 478 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 3: There will be punishment for it. There will be the 479 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 3: same like international norms violation for them, you know, if 480 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 3: you put it in the same context of Russia and 481 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 3: in the Ukraine, and it gives them a consistency to 482 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 3: say like, we don't support you know, going past these 483 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 3: types of borders. So it's not inconsequential, it's still a 484 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 3: big deal. I mean, I get it. I know everybody 485 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 3: is like, oh, we want an international arms and bargo. Listen, 486 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 3: it's not happening. Like it's one of those where you know, 487 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 3: in the context of the US is the global superpower, 488 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 3: the guaranteur of security, and who do you think makes 489 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 3: all those weapons? As long as America is going to 490 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 3: go along with this. This is frankly like even in 491 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 3: terms of a diplomatic break is pretty extraordinary, like this 492 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 3: is the special relationship the UK, Canada, Australia. These are 493 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 3: the closest, closest allies the US has. For them to 494 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 3: break with us, especially after a state visit by Trump, 495 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 3: who was just there yesterday in the UK, that's a 496 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 3: huge deal. 497 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 6: All right, we'll take it. 498 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 2: Then, let's go ahead and take a listen to Trump's 499 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 2: reaction to the state recognition is there and. 500 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 9: He's it's at a pressuring Israel now to come to 501 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 9: some sort of looket ser information. Well where he could 502 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 9: make the case you're rewarding people that you know, you're 503 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 9: rewarding Amas if you do that, and I don't think 504 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 9: they should be rewarded. So I'm not in that camp, 505 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 9: to be honest. We'll let you know where we are, 506 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 9: but I am not in that case. Thank you, as 507 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 9: if you do that, you really are rewarding Hamas. 508 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 2: And I don't know about you, Sager, but it seems like, 509 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 2: if anything, his position in the past several weeks has 510 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 2: become even more hardened, Like he used to say things 511 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 2: like you know, you know, call for the end of 512 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 2: the starvation, even if he wasn't willing to act he's 513 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 2: been viewing some of the most insane atrocity lie like 514 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: October seventh atrocity lies in propaganda in recent weeks. And 515 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: then you have this where he's like, oh, you know 516 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 2: they you know this is a reward for terror as 517 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 2: a reward to hamas, et cetera. So you know, it 518 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 2: seems like he's become increasingly locked in in an absolutist position. 519 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: I guess he smells that real estate development money or whatever. 520 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 6: But I don't know if you've noted that same. 521 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 3: I don't think so just about the I don't think 522 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 3: it's I think it's personal. He believes this for some reason. 523 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 3: Don't ask me why. I have no idea. 524 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 2: Speculate, Yeah, hear, he's personally let the speculate. 525 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: It baffles, It baffles people around him. 526 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 3: I can tell you that with confidence, it baffles a 527 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 3: lot of the people who work for him. I know 528 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 3: that for a fact, nobody knows. It's like a personal thing, 529 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 3: and he believes this stuff to his core. 530 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: Whether it's. 531 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 3: My speculation is that the circumvention of the traditional process 532 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 3: where critics and all those others can get into his ear, 533 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 3: is that in mar A Lago, in his social Circle 534 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 3: and everywhere else. There's never a price to be paid 535 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 3: for not being pro Israel enough. There's endless amount of money, 536 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 3: There's endless amounts of social acclamation. Miriam Adelson, all of 537 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 3: his people at mar Lago, Bbe, you know, CBS, Larry Ellison, Murdoch. 538 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: What's the price to be paid? 539 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 6: Yeah? 540 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 3: Right, so why not just go with it? That's my 541 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 3: That's an innocent explanation, That's what I was saying. There 542 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 3: are a lot more nefarious ones out there that people believe. 543 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: I'm not quite there. 544 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's worth even 545 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 2: speculating about what's driving that effect. 546 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 6: He's like, that effect is. 547 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 2: The same, But I mean it does make somewhat of 548 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 2: a theoretical difference. We were thinking going into this administration 549 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 2: that look, Trump's transactional. If someone can offer him something 550 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 2: on the other side, or he thinks it makes him 551 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 2: look good to effectuate some sort of a peace deal, 552 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 2: maybe there's more of a possibility there than there wasn't Biden, 553 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 2: who was a died in the wool ideological zionist. So 554 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 2: to your point, you know, maybe you're right, maybe it 555 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 2: is more ideological for him. 556 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 6: Than we thought. It was. 557 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 2: My theory is less some sort of like actual ideological 558 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: commitment to Zionism and more just like the Trumpian world 559 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: view of who's with me and who's against me. We 560 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 2: know that he barked at Charlie Kirk when Kirk came 561 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 2: in and was posing the a Ron strike, and so 562 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 2: he may feel like all these people are painted in 563 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 2: the ass, they're criticizing me, like they're undermining my foreign policy, 564 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 2: and that has made him more hardened at this point 565 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 2: in his just like absolute support for Israel no matter what, 566 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,959 Speaker 2: you know. I think it's still a very live possibility, though, 567 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: because we see the way he operates in other spheres 568 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 2: of foreign policy. His self interest obviously does drive a 569 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: lot of what he does and a lot of the 570 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: decisions that he makes. So you know, if he's looking 571 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: at this as a real estate deal and a great 572 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 2: opportunity for him and Kushner and his family, that would 573 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 2: certainly be a motivating factor as well, And could you know, 574 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 2: could be a mix of all of these things. Certainly, 575 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 2: at the same time, we don't want to lose sight 576 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 2: of what's happening on the ground in Gaza right now, 577 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 2: Gaza City. We can put this up on the screen 578 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: is being absolutely leveled. This was a massive apartment building, 579 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 2: fifteen story apartment building that was just blown to bits 580 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: and leveled down to the ground. You can see people 581 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 2: fleeing as the you know, as the dust and all 582 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 2: the debris flies Gaza City, you know, the ground invasion 583 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 2: has begun. It's quite clear they want to make it unlivable. 584 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 2: This was the major city in Gaza. They want to 585 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 2: make it unlivable so no one can ever come back, 586 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 2: and so that then you're forced into this. Okay, well, 587 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 2: Gaza is unlivable, so you're going to stay here or 588 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 2: you're going to go to whatever country they figure out 589 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 2: that is willing to take some significant number of Palestinians. 590 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 2: And you know that really is the plan. There was 591 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: another piece of political news here in the US that 592 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 2: is pretty significant. Put E four up on the screen. 593 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 2: You have the entirety of the Progressive Congressional Progressive Caucus. 594 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 2: That's over one hundred Democratic members of Congress who have 595 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: now backed the Block the Block the Bombs Act and 596 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 2: this would prohibit any money going to offensive weapons for Israel. 597 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 2: They still make this I think stupid arbitrary distinction between 598 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 2: offensive and defensive weapons basically like, Okay, we can still 599 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 2: fund the Iron Dome, but we're going to block any 600 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 2: other offensive weapon shipments to Israel. And you know, it 601 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 2: is compared to past orientation of of both parties, but 602 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 2: Democratic Party in particular visa the Israel to have now 603 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 2: over one hundred members of the House saying we stand 604 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 2: in opposition to any offensive weapons going is quite a 605 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 2: significant Like, that is a pretty landmark shift in terms 606 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 2: of the orientation of the Democratic Party towards this nation state. 607 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, but my question is how much that will pervade, 608 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 3: like how much that will be taken seriously by whoever 609 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 3: runs for president. 610 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: And I think that's still a live question. 611 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 3: It's one of those where I know that the Democratic 612 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 3: base is where it is. Yeah, question is where does 613 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 3: it ranked and to what ends and how If you 614 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,719 Speaker 3: were a Trumpian style figure, what you would do is 615 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 3: rhetorically kind of please all sides of the debate, which 616 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 3: I still is kind of possible if you look at 617 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 3: it in terms of how you would operationalize it against Israel. 618 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 3: You could say the right words, but you may not. 619 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 3: You could also keep the right people in action if 620 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 3: there's no organized force, and then if as long as 621 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 3: you center it around anti Trump, then a lot of 622 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,479 Speaker 3: this is most likely not going to I don't think 623 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 3: it would win out, just because if you think about 624 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 3: the amount of power that you would have to take 625 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 3: on for this to become the mainstream position, it's it's crazy, right. 626 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 3: So that's just where I'm I continue to wonder, like 627 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 3: where this will head in a political direction. I don't 628 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 3: deny its political constituency, the level of passion people have 629 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 3: around it, but I just know how these people operate, 630 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 3: and I've watched it with many of my own issues 631 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 3: get shuttled to the side in a political coalition when 632 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 3: you're up against real power, even if what you think 633 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 3: is popular like Ukraine or something like that, well, Trump's 634 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 3: president goes out the window. So I really wonder how 635 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 3: it will come in our next administration. 636 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 2: I think we'll get a little bit of a sense 637 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: in the midterms because you have a lot of candidates 638 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 2: I've been sort of like tracking on the side who 639 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 2: are entering into primaries against APAC Democrats who are you know, 640 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 2: we're going for open seats or going up against Republicans 641 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 2: who are explicitly anti genocide, anti APAC, putting that to 642 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 2: the center of their politics. And you know, if you 643 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 2: have a real sort of like Tea party wave for 644 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 2: Democrats in twenty twenty six, where you know, the operating issue, 645 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 2: like one of the animating issues is opposition to genocide, 646 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 2: that is going to send a message to a lot 647 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 2: of cynical operators for twenty twenty eight about where the 648 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 2: winds are blowing and where they need to be. So 649 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 2: I do think we'll get some you know, Grand Platner 650 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 2: is a perfect example in Maine, probably going to be 651 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 2: up against Janet Mills, who is the sitting governor of 652 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 2: the state. Platner has made no bones about him being 653 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 2: you know, opposed to genocide, wants to stop all weapons 654 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: from going, very outspoken, you know, for him to he 655 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: comes down of nowhere. If he were to beat the 656 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 2: sitting governor of Maine to win the Senate nomination there, 657 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: like that would be extra ordinary about Abdul's side. Obviously 658 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 2: we're tracking Zoran as well, but there are a lot 659 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 2: of congressional candidates that aren't even on people's radars, and 660 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 2: so I think we'll get a sense of how that 661 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: storyline has developed. 662 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,479 Speaker 3: Me Zoran would be less important, only I get it. 663 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 3: You know, the Jewish city, biggest Jewish city outside of Tilly, 664 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 3: but it's still live Central Maine and Michigan is a 665 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 3: whole other story. 666 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: That's where. 667 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 3: That's where it's like, that's a flashing red light if 668 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 3: you think back to it. It's kind of like Jim 669 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 3: Webb who won in two thousand and six on the 670 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 3: anti I Rock Wars right position, and that was a 671 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: beating or there was there were others I forget exactly. 672 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 3: There were a lot of anti war Democrats who were 673 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 3: elected in the six primary in like deep red states, 674 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 3: and that's what made a lot of the Republicans and 675 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 3: others be like, oh shit. 676 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: Like we're done with Iraq at this point. 677 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 3: And so that's what needs to happen, Like you need 678 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 3: to send a signal that in the heartland and in 679 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 3: swing districts, if that's a winning message, that's how you 680 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 3: kill something true. 681 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 2: And then you have Obama when in two thousand and 682 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 2: eight because of in part because of his anti I 683 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 2: Rock war position in Hillary Clinton's complicity. Two more cultural 684 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 2: elements that are just interesting to track here with regard 685 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 2: to Israel, put this up on the screen. There is 686 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 2: an effort to prevent a Tuesday vote on expelling the 687 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 2: country from this European Soccer League the Union of European 688 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: Football Association UEFA. I'm sure there's some way people pronounce that, 689 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 2: but I don't know how. Anyway, apparently there's an effort 690 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 2: to have a vote around expelling them and their teams 691 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 2: from this league. They say that Israel Football Association was 692 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 2: working around the clock and recruiting allies and fronts of 693 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 2: Israel in the sports and diplomatic world to work to 694 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 2: prevent that vote. They said, we are working it on 695 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 2: all fronts. The report added officials in Jerusalem believe friendly 696 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 2: countries like Germany and Hungary will fight for the vote 697 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 2: not to be held. But the outlet said that Katari 698 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 2: pressure campaign that began following the Israeli strike on Hamas 699 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 2: leaders in Doha earlier this month, appears to have failed 700 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 2: to kill the terror chiefs so halting Qatar's media to 701 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 2: talks on the ces FAR and Gazza. But that's when 702 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 2: the pressure started, is after those attacks on Doha. So so 703 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 2: now they're a number of countries trying to get them 704 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 2: kicked out of this European Soccer League. And then we 705 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 2: have one more thing, there's a question of whether Israel 706 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 2: will be allowed to compete in the Eurovision Song contest 707 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 2: as well. This was interesting reporting from Sky News about 708 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 2: pressure here. Countries including Spain, Ireland and the Netherlands are 709 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 2: already threatened to withdraw from the event if Israel is included. 710 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 2: Worth noting, Russia got kicked out after they invaded Ukraine, 711 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 2: so it's not like there's no precedent for entire countries 712 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 2: to be barred from the competition. And I didn't really 713 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 2: know much about Eurovision, to be honest with you guys, 714 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 2: but apparently Spain's opposition and their commitment to withdrawing is 715 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 2: particularly noteworthy because they are one of the one of 716 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 2: five countries that provide most of the funding for Eurovision, 717 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 2: so they hold a lot of so it's seen as 718 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 2: significant that Spain is involved in these boycott efforts. So 719 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 2: we will see what happened there. Last year, Israel got 720 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: second in the competition and there was kind of a 721 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 2: freak ount. I think I don't know Eurovision. 722 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: I don't get it. 723 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 6: That's a great question. I'm not a quote to answer it. 724 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: You look at a map. 725 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 6: But they. 726 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 2: There's also allegations I don't know exactly how the judging works. 727 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 2: I think there's a public component and then there's a 728 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 2: judging component. And there were a lot of allegations that 729 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 2: they were like using like bots and like kind of 730 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 2: rigging the public component and that's why they scored so high. 731 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 2: But I don't know whether that's true or not. I 732 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 2: have not analyzed the veracity of these claims. But there 733 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 2: was a real freak count because whoever wins then hosts 734 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 2: the competition the next year. So if Israel one, then 735 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 2: the competition would be in Israel, and you can imagine 736 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 2: there would have been all sorts, like even more countries 737 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 2: that were boycotting and artists that didn't want to participate, 738 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 2: et cetera. So anyway, some cultural pressure that is being 739 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 2: brought to bear here. 740 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 3: So apparently it's that the European Broadcasting Union, not the 741 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 3: European Union, is the one who puts on Eurovision Israel's 742 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 3: national bride castor is a full member of the EBU. 743 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 3: Membership is open to broadcasters from countries that are quote 744 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 3: within the European Broadcast Area as defined by the International 745 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 3: Telecommunication Union. Other non European participants include Morocco, Australia. 746 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know. 747 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 3: I mean maybe it's just me Eurovision kickout Morocco, Australian. 748 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: Israel, Like, what are we doing here? 749 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 6: It's nuts. 750 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 2: It's like Australia can have its own Australia's voice. 751 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: No, I mean it's Morocco is not in Europe. The 752 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: whole foundation of Europe is that Morocco's not in Europe. 753 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: That's the whole point. What are we doing here? 754 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 6: It's driving nuts? 755 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my god. 756 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 3: All right, there's some Spaniard who defeated the Moors is 757 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 3: turning over in his grave. 758 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: At that idea. 759 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 3: All right, whatever, Okay, we'll have a great show for 760 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 3: everybody tomorrow. 761 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: Christly will be out, but I'll be in with Ryan. 762 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: I will be out. Yeah, I'll be out later in 763 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: the week. I'm going home to Texas. But anyway, yeah, Gallain. 764 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 3: By the way, anybody who works down in Brian at 765 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 3: the facility, contact me. 766 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 1: I would love to make contact. All Right, we'll see 767 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 1: you guys later.