1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Jerry once again, welcome in Happy holidays to you and 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: to everybody in your family and over at headquarters. It's 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: been a fun couple of weeks and encouraging. Well, what 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: have you been most encouraged by what you've seen from 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: your team? Well, good morning and good to be on 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: with you. Merry Christmas to everybody. And of course it's 7 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: great to win, but it's particularly great to win this year, 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: and I think this is obviously was a win that 9 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: will give us the things you wan't out of a win, 10 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: and that is some confidence. We've got some guys out 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: here that we're on the field the other day that 12 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: haven't been available in weeks earlier, and they played well, 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: and so it gives us a lot of confidence on 14 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: the ones that have been basically on ir we call 15 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: it injury reserve. Gives us some confidence that when they 16 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: come back in these last two balls games, they'll really 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: have a chance to be available and make place. The 18 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: team has played so strong in certain areas and other ones, obviously, 19 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: they have continued to show holes that have been there 20 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: throughout the season. So, in regards to what's been debated, 21 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: why do you feel it's so important to finish strong 22 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: than it is to land a draft pick, maybe a 23 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: few slots higher than you could and fill one of 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: those holes that you know you have. There's no laddage 25 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: that I've always heard since I've been in sport and 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: set the way back into college level. They remember what 27 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: you do in November and December, and so I think 28 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: it's important we certainly do that individually as in football, 29 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: and it's nice to nice. It's actually motivating to finish 30 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: up strong individually as well as as a team. You know, 31 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: you talk about that, and you know the last two 32 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: games that were there were there were good wins, and 33 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: then you look at it and it was and obviously 34 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: we're throwing a backup quarterback out there too. Do you 35 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: kind of style point wins when you look at them, like, hey, 36 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: yeah we won the game, but it was against the 37 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: backup quarterback, but it was against the bad team. Do 38 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: you style point wins? You just take the win, that's it, 39 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: let's go move on. No, because, in a manner of speaking, 40 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 1: the game is that you play with a backup quarterback 41 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: sometimes and you certainly have to play with your depth. 42 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: And we can say, well, that gives them a chance 43 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: to get reps and not be depth in the future. 44 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: That's so, that's true, but you have to be able 45 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: to get there. You have to be able to win. 46 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: I'll never forget Bernie Kozar came in and one certainly 47 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: beat San Francisco, not beat, but contributed to the win 48 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: right out untill Texas Stadium. And Bernie Kozar came in 49 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: and made that win. Now, that was Adman's team, and 50 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: Aigman was the reason that quarterback that we won the 51 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: Super Bowl that year and two others. But the point 52 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: is Ernie. Without Bernie Cozar at that time, we probably 53 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't have won. There's your backup quarterback, Jerry Jones on 54 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: us here one oh five through the fan A lot 55 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: was a lot of people. We all love the Tony 56 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: Pollard game that he had on Sunday. What was your 57 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: impression of Tony Poller? Was that something that you expected 58 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: him to be able to do put up those kind 59 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 1: of numbers. Well, I was good to see it. He 60 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: has extraordinary burst is everybody can see. But he also 61 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: is just a really all around football player from his position. 62 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: And boy, we uh, you don't. I don't. I'm hesitant 63 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: to say you add I'm heading to say you take away. 64 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: He just can be a part of giving defenses fit. 65 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: And you see it that burst that he had and 66 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: he does well. I think it seems he does very 67 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: well over in that short area called the sideline and 68 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: he makes a lot of yards right there in that 69 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: space going up and down that sideline, and that has 70 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,239 Speaker 1: to do with his quickness and burst. Is that burst 71 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: missing from Zeke's game? Oh, I don't think so. There 72 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: are two different type backs and Zeke you're talking about 73 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: rough sledding is being on the shore the other side 74 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: when Zeke puts the quote burst right before you're tackling, 75 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: and he puts that power and he puts that collision 76 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: that aspect to the game, and that not only gains 77 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: yards on the specific play, it gains wearing tear as 78 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: you go along. And so Zeke is a tremendous weapon 79 00:04:55,360 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: or football. And because physicalness does have an impact and 80 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: does wear down and does win when it's when it 81 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: can be a part of not making as many mistakes 82 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: as we've made a lot of times. When we've seen 83 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: that earlier this year, and so you know, all of 84 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: those things are there and this was naturally going to 85 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: be but we've always frankly known that with Pollard that 86 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: we had an alternative there that was another way to 87 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: do it, but a good way to do it. Jerry, 88 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: they make quite a tandem. Excuse me, Jerry Jones here 89 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: with us on the fan. You mentioned remembering what you 90 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: do as a football team in November and December, and 91 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: let's look ahead with how you've played. You come off 92 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: with a win in Philadelphia and now with the Giants. 93 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: Does winning the last four weeks does that mask some 94 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: of the issues that your team has. Well, they're so 95 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: apparent the issues, and it's so obvious that, for instance, 96 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: I'll just speak directly to the personnel for one reason 97 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: or the other, availability or their ability to coordinate a 98 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: player that's on the field, but how he may be 99 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: compromised to some degree because of the availability of players society. 100 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: But there's no question. You can look at the Pro 101 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: Bowler along and you can see that we had no 102 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: Pro Bowlers when we that's the first time since nineteen 103 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: eighty nine. Well, in nineteen eighty nine, we had about 104 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: twelve Pro bowlers to be Pro Bowlers on that team 105 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine, but they weren't Pro Bowlers that year. 106 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: But they became Pro Bowlers and we won three World championships. 107 00:06:54,400 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: And so availability, whether it be coordinating and depending on 108 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: your teammates, availability is a big deal. Now you're talking 109 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: to the general manager, so you know that I'm not 110 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: trying to dodge the bullet on Jerry. You're supposed to 111 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: have better players out there, and I agree with you, 112 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: But you know, I think I look at it when 113 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: I see us having no Pro Bowl players this year 114 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: and look back as far as eighty nine when we 115 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: didn't have one, and I look at the people that 116 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: were on that team, the Michael Irvins, the Troy Aitman's, 117 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: the Nate Newton's, the Mark two and as you just 118 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: step Niski's, Darl Johnston. All of those guys were Pro Bowlers, 119 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: but they weren't that you and we won one football game. Jerry, 120 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: speaking of that, where does this season rank in your tenure? 121 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: As you know most disappointing seasons. Well, you use the 122 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: word disappointing, and that certainly is that, but unique and 123 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: that has to do with the things that everybody worked through, 124 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: and that was no training camp. You know, our coach 125 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: did not meet eye to eye our team until we 126 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: would have been. I'm I don't know for sure that 127 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: it is, but it's three weeks till month into training camp, 128 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: was before he actually met the players on the team, 129 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: and then so that's unique. You need to saddish things earlier, 130 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: especially in the transition like we were in. But I 131 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: think this, certainly ranks is one of the most I 132 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: would say surprising. I thought we had, personnel wise, one 133 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: of the best teams we've had, and so to give 134 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: you an idea of where I'm coming from, and you say, well, 135 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: that's part of the problem. We've got a general manager 136 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: here that doesn't understand it wasn't one of the best 137 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: teams we've ever had, and so, but I think that 138 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: availability is such a key thing relative to having success. 139 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: And certainly other teams we've played one out here the 140 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: other day in San Francisco that arguably had less players 141 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: available than we've had, and they were hair's breadth from 142 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: winning the Super Bowl last year. But let's see what's 143 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: happened this year with the lack of having some of 144 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: their key personnel. So that's a big deal. It's not 145 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: an excuse in the NFL because you've got tremendously talented 146 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: and well paid players, professional players that are there when 147 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: the guy head of them goes down and they're supposed 148 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: to be there and effective and ready to go. But 149 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: we are a living example of it can take its 150 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: told when you get enough numbers involved, and enough adjustments involved, 151 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: and enough of the protocol of repetition, repetition with your backups, 152 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: all of those things can affect. It is an excuse 153 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: for doing things in a productive way of saying, good, 154 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: we've got to change some things around here. Absolutely not. Now. 155 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: We didn't change one thing right start, and that is 156 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: the coach, and so we don't have to make that change. 157 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: We changed him. List and eight months ago and list 158 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: and name me the reps and the practices, Jerry. Last 159 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: thing with Philadelphia coming up and looking at their their 160 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: situation with you know, with Carson Wentz and looking at 161 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: it from afar, they certainly didn't predict that this was 162 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: going to happen where they would sign into this mega 163 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: deal and then all of a sudden he'd be on 164 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: the bench in a year or so. Does that give 165 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: hesitation with contract talks with with with dak in terms 166 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: of signing him to a long term deal or are 167 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: you guys not paying attention to that at all, and 168 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: it's it's business. Well, all you've got to do is 169 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: wake up in the morning or any morning and not 170 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: have any room to the cap. Wake up in the morning, 171 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: and I'm not woe as me, not in these times 172 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: with the troubles and times that America's in. But all 173 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: you've got to do is wake up. You've spent all 174 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: your credit card, which means you've extended your player contracts 175 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: out beyond that they're playing years, which is a common 176 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 1: practice to get room under the gap. Wake up when 177 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: you've spent all your credit, wake up when you don't 178 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: have any money, and wake up when you need football 179 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: players now that will say how in the world does 180 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: that happen? And then you go back and trace what happened. 181 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: And you were not responsible by extending the amount of 182 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: dollars out past the years that they were to be 183 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: a valid or to be used. And that's called salary cap. 184 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: And that's what you don't not pay somebody because you 185 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: don't want to pay them or they're not a good 186 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: to a great player. You do it because you've got 187 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: to manage the whole picture. And when you see players 188 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: with big game tracks that aren't really heading you in 189 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: the right direction then and in the future. That's the 190 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: price you pay. And that's when you sit there and 191 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: work and negotiate and try to get you know, you 192 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: try to get your cap down as much as you can. 193 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: I call it the light theory. When you walk out 194 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: of a room, you ought to turn the light off 195 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: if there's nobody in it, because all you're doing is 196 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: keeping a light on for the rats and the mice. 197 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: There's nobody in there to see the light, and so 198 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: you turn that light off. What you do is on 199 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 1: every negotiation, you turn the light off. Because you may 200 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: not think you need that light in that room when 201 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: you can't afford it, you will need it, there's no 202 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: question you'll need it at a certain time in the future. 203 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: So you negotiate every time you can for the benefit 204 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: of having more available for the players around, the very 205 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: player you're talking to. And that's not directed at any player. 206 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: That's just a negotiation, and that's real. That's not bs. 207 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: That's a very real thing. That's like an ankle injury, 208 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: that's like a depreciation and tyler. That's very much a 209 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: part of what goes on when you're trying to put 210 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: a team together. Jerry, Happy holidays, Merry Christmas to you 211 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: and yours. Appreciate the time as always well. And here's 212 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: really a merry Christmas to those that are so impacted 213 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: by the hard times that we're in. And here really 214 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: is to better in future. More positive Christmas, but merry Christmas.