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Speaker 2: for you today. We're hitting both of the ESPN games.

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Speaker 2: As the Boston Celtics beat up on the Phoenix Suns.

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Speaker 2: They're going to talk a little bit about that Drive

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Speaker 2: after that the Los Angeles Lakers win a really funny

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Speaker 2: thought the Celtics just put on a driving kick clinic tonight.

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Speaker 2: But the Lakers can put together a similar lineup with Luca, Lebron, Austin,

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Speaker 2: the form of now you've got this group without Tyrese

433
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 2: Haliburton on the floor that got to stop but needs

434
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 2: to score, and that ends poorly as Ben Matherine has

435
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 2: to throw up that kind of bs double pump jump

436
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 2: shot at the top of the key, and now it's

437
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 2: a live ball situation in Carlisle can't stop the clock

438
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 2: and it's the final possession of the game. Kick ahead,

439
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 2: Lebron gets Ben Matherin in the post and Lebron just

440
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: makes a really smart read like he just he sits

441
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 2: there and he goes Luca's trailing the play wide open,

442
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 2: like there's no reason for me to do anything here.

443
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,479
Speaker 2: That's the second or third best player in the world

444
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 2: just standing wide open at the top of the key

445
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: because everyone's paying attention to Lebron rifles it to Luca.

446
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 2: Siakam closes out at him, beats him off the dribble,

447
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 2: and honestly, I thought Luca's look was great, that little

448
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 2: floater in the lane. That's a really really high percentage

449
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,199
Speaker 2: shot from Luca. But the other downside of having Myles

450
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: Turner off the floor not enough size around the rim,

451
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 2: and so Lebron did a really nice job of getting

452
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 2: inside a rebounding position on Jaris Walker after the kickout

453
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 2: pass to Luca, and he just went right up and

454
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 2: tapped it in right at the buzzer. And honestly, it

455
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: masked a bunch of mistakes from the Lakers, because they

456
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: those execution lapses were bad enough to cost the Lakers

457
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: that game, and Lebron just made a play at the

458
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 2: end and ended up being enough. It's funny because when

459
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: all the drama was going down after the three quarters

460
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 2: where Lebron didn't have a made field goal and he

461
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: only had three points, I actually thought Lebron was playing

462
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 2: really well at that point in time. Like if you

463
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 2: look at the way the flow of the game was going,

464
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 2: Like Lebron missed some easy shots that he typically makes

465
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 2: in the early portions of the game. He like smoked

466
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: a left handed layup that's like a layup he never misses.

467
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 2: He missed an easy floater driving a close out off

468
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: the right wing. Like there were some misses that were uncharacteristic,

469
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 2: but like he wasn't really forcing the issue and the

470
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 2: team was scoring well and things were going good. Second

471
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 2: quarter stretch. It's the Austin Lebron group. Austin was cooking.

472
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 2: Austin had it going. Lebron was still making plays. They

473
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 2: were running a lot of two man game at the

474
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 2: top of the key, and there was some switching, there

475
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 2: was some uh. There was a two on the ball

476
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 2: situation where Lebron got a roll and rifled a short

477
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 2: roll pass to Dorian Finney Smith in the left corner

478
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: and knocked down at three. Like, Lebron was still making

479
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 2: plays in that stretch, but he just wasn't co opting

480
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: the offense because why would he. Austin Reeves was cooking.

481
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: Austin was crazy good in that second quarter scoring stretch,

482
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: and so Lebron just facilitated as a connective playmaker in

483
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: the offense and focused his energy on defense. That was

484
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: an excellent defensive stretch for the Lakers that they won on.

485
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 2: I think like a it's like a fifteen to oh

486
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: or a seventeen oh run. Like they were really good

487
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 2: defensively in that stretch. And so yeah, like, how is

488
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 2: that going to manifest if if Lebron is going to

489
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: not try to grab the rein so that he can

490
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: allow Austin to get into a rhythm that's gonna hurt

491
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 2: his scoring totals. Like Lebron could have been aggressive there

492
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 2: and might have had a better box score performance, but

493
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have been what was best for the team.

494
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, these things are really COMPLI this

495
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 2: is why I don't believe in box score watching. Like Luca,

496
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 2: for the record, had thirty six, seven and seven, I think,

497
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: and I thought he also had a very uneven game,

498
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: Like forget about just the final stretch I talked about.

499
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: Luca was brutally bad on offense or on defense in

500
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: this game. From the start in the first quarter, he

501
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: was like losing track of Obi top In on a

502
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: simple little off ball action or giving up easy dribble

503
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 2: penetration because he's just not competing on the ball. Like

504
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about it, because I know Luca can

505
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: be better than that. Like who knows if he's good

506
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: enough to do it against the Celtics we're gonna find out,

507
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: or against the Thunder we're gonna find out, or against

508
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: one of these higher level Western Conference teams. But like,

509
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: he can do better than he did tonight. Luca had

510
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: an uneven game. I didn't think it was Luca's best game.

511
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: They got killed in Luca's minutes. The Luca off groups

512
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 2: are where the Lakers really took command of this game.

513
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: So like it's one of those things where that's why

514
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: box score watching is so pointless. Luca had thirty six,

515
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: seven and seven, Lebron had thirteen, seven and thirteen or

516
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: whatever it was that he had, and like Lebron was

517
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 2: just doing it in different ways defensively as a rebounder,

518
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: like timely scoring in various points of the game. So

519
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 2: that's what's kind of interesting about it. But that said

520
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: ended up being like kind of bad for Indiana that

521
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: Lebron only had three points going into that fourth quarter

522
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 2: stretch because Lebron had a bunch of favorable matchups in

523
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 2: that early fourth quarter stretch against Indiana's bench, and he

524
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 2: just got super aggressive going downhill and quickly got over

525
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: that ten point mark and blew the lead out to

526
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 2: double digits pretty quickly there. But of course more execution

527
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 2: lapses were preventing them from gaining complete control of the game.

528
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: But all in all, I thought Lebron, even though he

529
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 2: didn't score the ball super effectively tonight, I just thought

530
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: he played a really good game. And I mean hell,

531
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: he literally made the play that won it. So again,

532
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: as I always talk about, like no matter how bad

533
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 2: things are going, just make a play, just make a play,

534
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 2: and you can make it all go away. There's a

535
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 2: version of that where they lose and everyone talks after

536
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 2: the game about how poorly Lebron played looking at the

537
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: box score, and even though that wouldn't be full context

538
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 2: to everything that he did, he made one play at

539
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 2: the end and it erased everything and now he's the hero,

540
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: and it's just a reminder of why that resilience is

541
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 2: so valuable. I want to talk a little bit about

542
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: the Lakers in the big picture before we wrap up

543
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 2: and head to our mailbag. You saw their offensive potential

544
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways tonight, right We talked about

545
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 2: the five out spacing, their consistent ability to generate great shots.

546
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,239
Speaker 2: But they still have a lot to clean up on.

547
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 2: And this is the exciting part about them putting it

548
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: all together and becoming a true championship contender. Like I

549
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 2: talked about with Golden State and the Lakers, they're the

550
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 2: two teams this year because of their substantial changes at

551
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 2: the deadline. They're basically new basketball teams, especially the Lakers

552
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: because it's such a stylistic shift going away from Anthony

553
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: Davis right, and that means this is training camp. This

554
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: is where you're becoming the team for this team, specifically

555
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: uniquely under the circumstances. This is where they're learning each other.

556
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: This is where they're they're in like the December January phase,

557
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: or excuse me, the November December phase that all of

558
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: the other top tier championship contenders we're in. They're still

559
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: learning about what they need to get better at, learning

560
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 2: about what their identity is. And some of that is

561
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 2: problematic in the sense that they don't have a lot

562
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 2: of time, But at the same time, it's exciting because

563
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: it means there's a lot of potential on defense. For instance,

564
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: Luca and Rui just their attentiveness and their competitiveness on

565
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: the ball. I thought both of them all night, including

566
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: the late game stretch. We're just really sloppy on that

567
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: end of the floor. The consistency of the teams help

568
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: in rot help in recover situations, and how well they

569
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: rotate when they give up dribble penetration. They had so

570
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: many excellent possessions tonight when Lebron is really flying around

571
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: and helping recover every and Dori Infinny Smith is flying

572
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: around and everyone's committed on defense, they can be really,

573
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: really good. Do I think they're going to be a

574
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: top five defense with Luca, No, but they certainly can

575
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: be in that six to ten range.

576
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 3: They've shown it.

577
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: They've shown it with Luca before Lebron James got hurt

578
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: when they went on that big winning streak, and so

579
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: a lot of this is gonna be you have to

580
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: manage a certain amount the wear and tear on all

581
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: these guys' legs over the course of the final ten

582
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: games of the season. But at the same time, this

583
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: team needs a certain baseline of their habits on defense

584
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: in terms of their commitment for forty eight minutes to

585
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: doing what they need to do and help in recover situations.

586
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: Because they have Austin and Luca out there, Jackson out there,

587
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: Gabe out there, guys that teams will look to attack

588
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: from time to time, and so this is going to

589
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: be its team that's going to have to be really

590
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: sharp in their help and recover situations. And they had

591
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: some real inconsistency with that tonight. That's something you need

592
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: to polish up on offense. I talked about Lebron getting

593
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: in a real rhythm. To me, what's exciting about this

594
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: team offensively is when you get both thirty point per

595
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: game Luca and twenty seven point per game Lebron both,

596
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: you know, sixty sixty three percent true shooting. When they're

597
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: both at that level, that's where the real offensive upside

598
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: is there, and that's what I'm waiting to see over

599
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: the final few weeks. Continuing to improving, continuing to improve

600
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: attacking teams that switch a lot of screens again Indiana,

601
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: one of the big issues there down the stretch was

602
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: their ability to attack a screening action with Miles Turner

603
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: where they were either hedging or doubling that created natural

604
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: openings for them to capitalize on. Their offense has always

605
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: looked great against that sort of defense since the Luka

606
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: Doncics trade. Getting it to the point where they succeed

607
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: well against switching defenses over the course of the next

608
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: few weeks, that's going to be an important part of putting.

609
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: This all together.

610
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: And then, lastly, the overall laps is in execution. This

611
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: has been an issue with this team that I think

612
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: has extended even pre Luca, but has continued under Luca

613
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: where it's like the ninety seconds at the end of

614
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: a quarter where you have a sloppy turnover, a bad shot,

615
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: compounding mistakes like the Austin throws that lob to Lebron.

616
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: This is a huge sequence, Like it's a seven point game.

617
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: If Lebron catches the lob and dunks it, they go

618
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: up nine miles. Turner deflects it, they go out the

619
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: other way and score. Seacom scores on a eurostep that

620
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: cuts it to five. Is a huge four point swing

621
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. But Austin goes down right after

622
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: that in Jack's up a step back three early in

623
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: the clock, Like that's compounding the mistake.

624
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: That's the kind of thing that.

625
00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: Leads to the bursts of runs that can take what

626
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: look like efforts where you watch the Lakers and it

627
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: looks like they're controlling a game, but somehow the other

628
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: team is lingering. And a lot of that stems from

629
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: these just these lapses in judgment, these compounding mistakes that

630
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: end up undoing a lot of their success. But all

631
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: in all, I was impressed. Every time you have bad

632
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: back to back games like what happened to Chicago against

633
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: Chicago and at Orlando. It's always kind of an inflection

634
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: point for me between the good teams and the bad teams.

635
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: The bad teams tend to spiral. Oh, you're going to

636
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: play the Pacers at home, who have won seven seven

637
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: of eight red hot Pacers team. Then you have to

638
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: on the back to back head to Chicago. Like, that's

639
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: a tough stretch of games. But like the good the

640
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: bad teams will spiral in those situations. The good teams

641
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: are like, fuck that, we're better than the Pacers. Let's

642
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: go beat them. And again, like I thought this game,

643
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: even even with Lebron effectively stealing it at the buzzer,

644
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: I thought the Lakers played a lot of really, really

645
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: good and dominant basketball in this particular game. The question

646
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: is can they continue that on the road in Chicago tomorrow.

647
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: It'll be really interesting to see how they do it

648
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: from the rotation standpoint too, because I'm sure some guys

649
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: are feeling pretty sore.

650
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: After that after that particular game.

651
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: All Right, that's all I have for those For tonight's games,

652
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: We're gonna get into our mail bag, Jackson, what do

653
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: you got for us?

654
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 3: Man?

655
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: What is going on? Jason? Everyone in the chat please

656
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: continue to ask your questions. I will be picking some

657
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: from the chat to start with. Let's go with what

658
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 1: is your favorite type of defensive player to watch? I

659
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: personally love a versatile forward like Tomani Kamara.

660
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: Imani's awesome, and Timani has some characteristics in the archetype

661
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, too, because he is big and strong

662
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: and has a strong base. But I have always been

663
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 2: partial to the lower center of gravity, like wider bodied,

664
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: like bigger, stronger, like fire hydrant type of wings. This

665
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: is like like yea you dor, Alex Caruso, Bruce Brown

666
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 2: kind of fits this mold. Terrence Man kind of fits

667
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: this mold, like even like to a lesser extent for

668
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: Laker fans, like this is what Jordan Goodwin's archetype is.

669
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: He's just a much lesser version of it. But I

670
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: find that they can win battles on the ground more

671
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: than some of the taller rangier wings can. I think

672
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: I think the taller ranger wings are more valuable in

673
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: rotation situations because of their ability to cover ground, But

674
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: I find the the those fire hydrant guys to be tougher.

675
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: Part of it, too, is like I'll just be honest,

676
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: like from my own playing experience, like, I think that

677
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: the most effective form of defense is disrupting the base,

678
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 2: not disrupting the top of the shot. These guys are

679
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: professional shot makers. They don't see hands in their face,

680
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: but if you bother their rhythm, if you break up

681
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: their ground game leading into the shot, you can force missus.

682
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm a big believer in that archetype.

683
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 2: I just think they're good at disrupting bases.

684
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: I like that. I like sort of the the Draymond Green,

685
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: versatile big type who can sort of do the two

686
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: places at ones thing. But in terms of guard wing defenders,

687
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: this is just a personal preference, I think because I

688
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: when I play basketball, I gamble a lot defensively, so

689
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: I like players like Gary Payton and Marcus Smart, who

690
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: You're like, that dude is going to disrupt something. He

691
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: might get lost a time or two making a bit

692
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: too gambly of a gamble, but he is disrupting something

693
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: every possession, and they're like, I've been I'm on the

694
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,959
Speaker 1: Gary Payton, the second hype trained kind of. I think

695
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: that if he could shoot and got thirty plus minutes

696
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: a game would be in the defensive player of the

697
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: Year guard like, you know, not the guards don't hit

698
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 1: it very often, but he would be in that defensive

699
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: player of the Year guard like conversation because he is

700
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: so disruptive. No one wants to dribble when that guy.

701
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: He has mastered the pick the pocket clean thing. His

702
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: hands are crazy.

703
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 2: Gary Payton's one of my favorite players because we competed

704
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: against each other a bunch in college and he was

705
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 2: always just a really nice guy and someone that I

706
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: enjoyed competing against. And he was one of those guys

707
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: too that he was one of those guys too that

708
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: like kind of felt like he was in that same

709
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 2: archetype we're talking about of like kind of a lower

710
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: center of gravity, groundbound like ball pressure guard. But he

711
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: struggled to find his footing in the NBA there for

712
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: a while. But like Golden State's been such a natural

713
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: fit for him because of his read and react talent

714
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: and that ability to you know, like play in that

715
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: inverted spacing that Steph creates. But yeah, I mean, like

716
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: it is it. It is all about personal preference at

717
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: the end of the day, and like a lot of

718
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: it has to do with scheme too, Like there are

719
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: if you're in a switching scheme, then the range yer

720
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 2: forwards are more valuable. If you're in a drop coverage scheme,

721
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: then like a certain type of guard defender becomes more valuable,

722
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: or rim protector becomes more valuable. Like so much of

723
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 2: it depends on the surrounding talent as well.

724
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: I like this one that we just got from Kyle.

725
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: What is the biggest mental advantage matchup you've seen in

726
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: your time watching a basketball? Example being it felt like

727
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: the Nuggets really owned the Lakers in that twenty two,

728
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty four phase and it felt like there

729
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: was sort of like a mental block. There are there

730
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: any other ones that you can think of? That's a

731
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: hard question of it.

732
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: I think the obvious one is the the Warriors advantage

733
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: over the Clippers in the mid twenty tens. That was

734
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: the one where, like legitimately, year after year after year,

735
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: it just.

736
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 3: Felt like they couldn't win in that matchup.

737
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: There are several good ones, though, just kind of a

738
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: funny one starting to bloom here between Minnesota and Denver two. Uh,

739
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: but uh, the Lakers Denver one. I was on the

740
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: wrong side of that one. That's a brutal feeling, but yeah,

741
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with Clippers Warriors.

742
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: I the ones that popped to mind for me because

743
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm a Celtics fans are ones that flipped actually, like

744
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: it did feel like they had a little bit of

745
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: a mental advantage. John lebron Or when he was still

746
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: in Cleveland the first time, and then he gets over

747
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: the hump in Miami and it's like, Okay, there's no

748
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: we have no chance to beat this guy none. And

749
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: the same thing is true. I think of the wait

750
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: to the two ten Celtics against Pagasol, where in eight

751
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: they're like, they just put that in the box. They

752
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: just put that dude on an absolute cage. And then

753
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: you have all the stories about Kobe over the summer

754
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: talking to Pal YadA, YadA, YadA, and it did genuinely

755
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: feel like he was kind of unguardable in twenty nine

756
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: and ten, I was like I hated Pagasol as a

757
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: kid because I was like, this dude dominates us after

758
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: we completely held him in check.

759
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: For dude, it's it's I think getting humiliated is the

760
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 2: best thing that can happen to you as a basketball player.

761
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: I remember I remember one of the last times that

762
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: I got humiliated. There was a a dude from Toronto

763
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 2: who was playing with me in this uh this like

764
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: professional league that that they were getting ready to start

765
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: up in India, and we had all signed deals and

766
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: we were like doing this like two week kind of

767
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: like promo thing in the US and then we were

768
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: all about to ship out to India and then the

769
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: league ends up fold the league ends up folding, and

770
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 2: the whole thing falls apart. But I meet this guy

771
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: from from Toronto, and he was just like better than

772
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 2: me at everything, Like he was taller, but he was

773
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: also like big and strong, but like a little bit

774
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 2: bigger and stronger than me, Like he was a little

775
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: bit better at handling, a little bit better at shooting,

776
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: like a little bit better at everything, and the worst

777
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: fucking He was super nice and he was and like

778
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: we because we were together for like two weeks, like him

779
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: and I had like done I talk quite a bit,

780
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: got to know each other a little bit. Like we

781
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: were both working in real estate at the time, as

782
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 2: like our like day job, and it's just like but

783
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 2: what ends up happening is you get your ass kicked,

784
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: and like that reinvigorated me in my like player development stuff,

785
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: and I spent most of COVID like adding all these

786
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: little things to my game because I just got sick

787
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: and tired of that dude kick in my ass, Like

788
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: it's it's so good, like like that can be the

789
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 2: best thing that happens to basketball players get humiliated.

790
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: Someone in the chad also said, Lebronto is another.

791
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 3: That's a great one, per great example of.

792
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: This, one perfect example of this, of this sort of

793
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: thing we're describing. All right, hey, Jason, what would you

794
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: do if you if you were the new GM of

795
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: the Dallas Mavericks and the goal is to win a

796
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: championship next year or like as soon as possible, love

797
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: the show, keep up the day.

798
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: If the goals to win the championship next year, you

799
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: run it back and you and you lean on the

800
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 2: concept that you made this trade for to begin with,

801
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: even if we can all agree that it was bad reasoning,

802
00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: which is, if you put together these vaunted ad Derek

803
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 2: Lively PJ Washington lineups with all of this versatility on

804
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: the perimeter, with obviously Kyrie's out there, but you've got

805
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 2: like a big shooter positional defender in Clay. You've got

806
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: a ball handler and Spencer Dinwoodie or a guy that

807
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 2: can do a little bit of both in Naji Marshall

808
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: or I don't know why they got rid of Quinton Grimes.

809
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: That was a really weird one and like that that

810
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: kind of feels like the latest and a long line

811
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 2: of like why did they let him get away?

812
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 3: Kind of situations?

813
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: But they traded him for Kayleb Martin.

814
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: I don't understand it, man, but like it's it's and

815
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: Kayla Martin's a great defender and and but the thing

816
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: is is that that was something Quentin did pretty well too,

817
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: in addition to his scoringtop But the point is is

818
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 2: that like, you're not gonna make some sort of sweeping

819
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: change that's gonna bring you championship contention. It's that tiny

820
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: window of Nico Harrison's reasoning when he made the Luca trade,

821
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: which is like, what if we become the best defense

822
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: in the league and give me Kyrie Irving and a huge,

823
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: physically imposing team, and let's see if we can just

824
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 2: win rock fights. And there's a chance there. I would

825
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: call it a very slim chance, but there is a

826
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: chance there.

827
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose the only real other move I could

828
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: think of if you're trying to do something that you

829
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: do sort of haven't I mean not this season because

830
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: they can't stay healthy. They almost have an overabundance of

831
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: bigs and Derek Lively. It's really young, so I'm wondering

832
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: if there's like a way you can trade Lively and

833
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: packaging with a contract for another wing. But you might

834
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: as well just run.

835
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 3: With what they got. I think.

836
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: I think if Dallas traded Derek Lively, then there would

837
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: be an actual riot.

838
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: Right there is no more than the window is like

839
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: nine months, Like you don't even have a window anymore,

840
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: Like that.

841
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 3: Is the window that season.

842
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: Uh, let's do this one between the second tier teams,

843
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: second tier title contenders, which potential matchup would be the

844
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: most fascinating from a round one moment?

845
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 3: Okay, let me pull up the standings here.

846
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: I was gonna do the same.

847
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 2: So I think that these ones in the middle of

848
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference are going to be fantastic. I'm super

849
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: excited for these and it's up in the air a

850
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: little bit. But with the it looked like it was

851
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: gonna be Piston's Nicks, and the Pistons have had some

852
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: success against New York this year, and they had been

853
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: able to do some matchup attacking there. But Milwaukee with

854
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: the Dame injury, is now dropping games and they could

855
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: end up dropping. It's kind of a bummer, and who knows,

856
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: maybe Yiannis will be able to pull them up. But

857
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: like Pacers, Bucks is such a great rivalry already, and

858
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: I think Nicks Pistons Pacers Bucks would have felt like

859
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 2: an old school Eastern Conference throwdown between the Knicks and Pistons,

860
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 2: and then like a rivalry between the Pacers and Bucks.

861
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: So let's hope that those two series kind of come

862
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: to fruition out west. I think it would be really

863
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: fun to see denver La in a series that's completely

864
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: different now than Anthony Davis has gone, with all the

865
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: bad blood that exists between those two teams, but I

866
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 2: still consider them to be upper tier contenders, so I'm

867
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 2: gonna go with I think I think Golden State Houston

868
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 2: would be a ton of fun because of the Dylan

869
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 2: Brooks thing. And yeah, there's the Dylan Brooks thing. There's

870
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 2: also like talk about his styles, make fights type of series,

871
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: like all the experience, all of the veteran know how

872
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: in IQ is going to be in Golden State's favor

873
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 2: and then Houston's just going to have an absurd athletic

874
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: and physical advantage at like a bunch of spots on

875
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: the floor. So, like, I think, I think that would

876
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:27,959
Speaker 2: be a fun one as well.

877
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: That is really fun. Dylan Brooks has now that he

878
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: is not He's somehow not as like present in our lives.

879
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: I think because Houston doesn't get national TV games as

880
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: even as much as Memphis did, he he's become a

881
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: little bit more of like a benign fun figure than

882
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: this kind of like actually kind of grading personality. So

883
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I think that you're so right

884
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: about the East, and I think any of the three four,

885
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: five six orientation kind of works. The one we have

886
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: actively right now is nix Bucks, Pacers, Pistons and getting

887
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: a Malice at the Palace teams rematch with Isaiah Stewart

888
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: and Jalen Duran on one of the teams while the

889
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: Pacers are like kind of chip like chirpy. Yeah, I

890
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: think that there's the way that that series gets really

891
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: physical in a way that I'm not sure if Indiana

892
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: is prepared for, and I'm not sure the NBA referees

893
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: are prepared for and I think that you could have

894
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: a real crazy, really fun Pistons.

895
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: There's upset potential there too because Detroit. Yeah, we talked

896
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: about it earlier with the Lakers, but Kate is Luca light,

897
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: so to speak, and Indiana presents a lot of those

898
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: similar situations that Luca just put them in, where like

899
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: he can get two on the ball or force hedges

900
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: which unlocks his playmaking. Like Detroit's gonna be able to

901
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 2: get good shots in that series, so that that would

902
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: be a fun one too.

903
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 4: Detroit's gonna be able to get good shots against most people.

904
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 4: I think Kate, like in a games slow down. Great

905
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 4: perfect for Kate Counningham, No issue, zero issue for Kate Counningham.

906
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 4: All right, let's do how long have we been going here?

907
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: Let's do a couple more and then we can We've

908
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: been going for about twelve minutes.

909
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 3: Let's do.

910
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: Uh. This is sort of piggybacking off of our episode

911
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: today which had Bucks fans and the comments very upset.

912
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: We're talking about another another NBA, another NBA media personality

913
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: talking about shipping Giannis out. But it was just a

914
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: speculative thing and then everyone's talking about it.

915
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry, Bucks fans, but if you don't acknowledge

916
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 2: that there's a potential Yannis trade in the future, I

917
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: don't know what to tell you. That's not to say

918
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: that it won't happen, like that, it's possible that they

919
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: pivot and get him to recommit, but like it's looking

920
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 2: bleak right now and so like.

921
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: And we're not rooting for him to go to New

922
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: York or anything. Jason is just commenting on the stage.

923
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: If he becomes available, the thunder ari potential threat because

924
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: they have the necessary assets. If they were to pull

925
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: it off, that would be fucking terrifying. That's literally, That's right.

926
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: That's all we're getting at.

927
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: It, all right. This question, though, is this person said,

928
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: I think giannest is going to ask for a trade

929
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: on the offseason, looking at potential landing spots. I would

930
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: like your thoughts on a Jaw for a Yannis trade,

931
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: and how would Triple J and Yannis sort of pair

932
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: together as a front court duo. That's a complex question,

933
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: but it is an really interesting one because I do

934
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: think I feel like there's some weird like Jaw, the

935
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: vibes around jar are strange in general.

936
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: Two, the Grizzlies have struggled capitalizing on spot up possessions,

937
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 2: which has been part of their issue with kind of

938
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: like succeeding succeeding as teams get rim protection in front

939
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: of jaw and kind of pack the paint and cause

940
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: their offense to slow down. I think my gut feeling

941
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: is that the Yannis Jaron Jackson fit would be super clunky,

942
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: because I've talked a lot about this, but like when

943
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: it comes to shooting bigs, there's a fine line between

944
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: a guy that shoots, you know, in a certain percentage

945
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: from three and like, oh, we're chasing this guy off

946
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 2: the line. And if you're gonna pair Giannis with a big,

947
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: it's gotta be someone who is very comfortable out there

948
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: operating almost exclusively. And part of the issue there too

949
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: is Jaron Jackson is at his best when he's playing

950
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: with his back to the basket and taking all those

951
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: little hooks and floaters and spins and all that kind

952
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: of shit. And where's Gianni's gonna stand during that? That

953
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 2: that's where it gets tricky. I think that's a I

954
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: think that's a tricky matchup or tricky fit.

955
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: I should say, all right, for our last question, let's

956
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: do this one. If Cleveland wins a wins a ring

957
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: this season or at all in this era, would you

958
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: classify Donovan Mitchell as a quote small guy being the

959
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: guy on a championship team. The only ones we've really

960
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: seen before being Isaiah Thomas and Steph Curry, who is

961
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: really good. He's like Dwayne Wade size sort of. So

962
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: it's like and we don't, I don't think of Dwyane Wade.

963
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 1: That might but it's a really fun question.

964
00:48:52,800 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, they're not the twenty fifteen Hawks where

965
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: it's like nobody's a star, but it's a similar version

966
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: of that with star talent in the sense that, like,

967
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 2: to me, this is like Donovan's clearly the best player,

968
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: but they all kind of feel on similar tiers for me,

969
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 2: where it's like Darius Garland has been unbelievable this year

970
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: and has become one of my favorite players in the

971
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: league to watch. Evan Mobley is a defensive Player of

972
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 2: the Year candidate who runs action for them and can

973
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: go for twenty twenty five on any given night. Jared Allen,

974
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: we talk about your value on your specific role in

975
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: your specific team. Jared Allen's finishing ability in ball screens

976
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 2: and his ability to switch on defense in pick and

977
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: roll like unlocks so much of their floor on both

978
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 2: ends of the floor, and so like almost it almost

979
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: reminds me of the Pistons in the sense that, like

980
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 2: Isaiah Thomas was the tip of the spear that put

981
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: them over the top. But you don't look at those

982
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: teams as like carry jobs. You look at them as

983
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: like you know, by committee, if that makes sense.

984
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: For sure.

985
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: All right, guys, that was fun as always. We sincerely

986
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 2: appreciate you guys for supporting me and supporting the show.

987
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 2: We got a bunch of content coming out over the

988
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 2: next couple of days. Between mail bags, we have uh

989
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: we did about forty minutes with Sam as Fondiari on

990
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: a bunch of warrior stuff. I am getting on a

991
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 2: plane tomorrow for one last bit of respite before the playoffs.

992
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to see three nights of Debt and Company

993
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 2: at the Sphere. I'm super, super, super irrationally excited about that.

994
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: So we're gonna take one last little break and then

995
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: then it's grime time and we're gonna be uh covering

996
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 2: the playoffs closely. Again, I appreciate you guys for rocking

997
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: with me and supporting the show. We got lots of

998
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: content coming out over the next couple of days, and

999
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 2: then I will.

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Speaker 3: See you again live on Monday.

1001
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: What's up guys. As always, I appreciate you for listening

1002
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Speaker 2: to and reporting Hoops tonight. It would actually be really

1003
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Speaker 2: helpful for us if you guys would take a second

1004
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: and leave a rating and a review. As always, I

1005
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 2: appreciate you guys supporting us, but if you could take

1006
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Speaker 2: a minute to do that, I'd really appreciate it.