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Speaker 2: preview every year and to deal with us this year,

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Speaker 2: as always, is the one and only Shan O'Hara. This

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Speaker 2: is a two part podcast. We have Sean first, and

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have Brandon Thorne, who does the excellent Trench

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Speaker 2: Warfare blog which is basically in substack, which is basically

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Speaker 2: just all offensive line play. He does a great job

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Speaker 2: and we'll dig into prospects with him. We're gonna start

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Speaker 2: here with mister O'Hara. Shaw on Top of the morning

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Speaker 2: to you, brother.

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Speaker 1: John, Top of the morning to you as well. Woke

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Speaker 1: up at a three point stance. Knew and I was

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Speaker 1: going to talk about the old line. And I love

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Speaker 1: watching all these young guys as we project them where

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Speaker 1: they're going. When they're going and it's always fun to

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Speaker 1: kind of get to know kind of the new up

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Speaker 1: and coming stars of the league.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's start here before you get into the

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Speaker 2: draft class the Giants. Do you think center is in need?

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Speaker 2: Because Joe Shane has spoken very confidently, some fans have

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Speaker 2: complained over confidently about what the Giants have in house

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Speaker 2: in terms of, you know, center prospects, whether it's Shane Lemue,

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Speaker 2: whether it's Jack Anderson, whether it's Ben Brettison. Do you

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Speaker 2: feel confident if one of those three guys had to

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Speaker 2: think they're going to add someone in the draft that

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Speaker 2: will have a good chance to compete for that starting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't believe it. I mean we're we're in

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Speaker 1: the pre draft, you know, looking at college prospects coming

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Speaker 1: this this is all also the lying season, so you

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Speaker 1: can't You kind of have to take everything with a

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Speaker 1: little grain of salt. When you hear that stuff, every

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Speaker 1: GM is going to say, hey, look, you know, we

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Speaker 1: like where we're at right now. Because they don't want

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Speaker 1: to show their cards, they don't want to show their hand.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at the Giants right now, they

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Speaker 1: don't have a true starting center on the roster. You know,

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Speaker 1: with Feliciano gone and with Nick Gates signing down in Washington,

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Speaker 1: you know you don't have a true starter. Sure Seane

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Speaker 1: Lem you could slide Overron play center. Sure Jack Anderson

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Speaker 1: could as well. That's like, hey, week three, we got

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Speaker 1: you know, put some crazy greul on this thing for

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Speaker 1: a week or two until our starter comes back. Absolutely

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Speaker 1: shame m. You can play center in a pinch, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know that that's necessarily the move that you

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Speaker 1: want to make as before you even go into the season. Now,

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Speaker 1: this year's draft, there is a plethora of really good

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Speaker 1: You don't ever want to reach, you know, overreach for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I get where you're coming from there, Sean.

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Speaker 2: And we'll dig into those prospects in a second, But first,

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Speaker 2: what makes a good center? When I'm sitting here on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great question. I think physically, the first thing that

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Speaker 1: can you also communicate with your quarterback? So you've got

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Speaker 1: kind of made it even more challenging now as offensive linemens,

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Speaker 2: I make sure I'll tell David Deely said that when

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Speaker 2: you see center fail in the NFL, sean what are

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Speaker 2: the most common things that they can't get right in

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Speaker 2: the league. Is it physical? Is it mental? Is it

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Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a number of reasons. You know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great question. I think from a jumping

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Speaker 2: All Right, So let's dive into the class shown and

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Speaker 2: based on what you said in your first answer, you

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Speaker 2: You watch your senior Bowl stuff, you watched your college tape.

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Speaker 2: You don't see a Lindabaum Creed Humphrey level player in

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Speaker 1: Look, it could happen, no doubt about it. I think

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Speaker 1: is do they have good knee bent? He does. He's

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Speaker 1: got really good flexibility, really good knee bend, strong lower legs,

432
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Speaker 1: so I think that's a feather in his cap. I

433
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Speaker 1: thought he did a great job combo blocks up to

434
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Speaker 1: the second level. You know, never lost any power, a

435
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,480
Speaker 1: great momentum. I think he can make all of the blocks.

436
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,680
Speaker 1: He's really are reach blocking. So I think that for Tippman,

437
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,680
Speaker 1: he's I think he's the cream of the crop when

438
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,200
Speaker 1: it comes to this this center group. Could somebody take

439
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Speaker 1: him in the first round, Absolutely, if somebody falls in

440
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,359
Speaker 1: love with him, But if you get a guy like

441
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Speaker 1: him in the second round, you know, he's a plug

442
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 1: and play start week one. He's starting. He's a mere guy,

443
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,120
Speaker 1: and I think he's one of those guys that can

444
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Speaker 1: morph into a Pro Bowl type of player, just kind

445
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Speaker 1: of physically. There are some characteristics that I see in

446
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Speaker 1: him that are very similar to Frank Ragnow the center

447
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,679
Speaker 1: for the Detroit Lions, and he's he's a big, tall center,

448
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 1: physical guy. And you know, the Giants played the Lions

449
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 1: last year and they were one of the more physical

450
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 1: teams in the league last year, So I think he

451
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Speaker 1: can he can fit that.

452
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Speaker 2: How about John Michael Schmidt and whippler.

453
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, John Michael Schmidt. I like watching him. You know,

454
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,160
Speaker 1: he's a Minnesota Gopher. I think when you look at

455
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,359
Speaker 1: his game, he is a smash mouth kind of guy,

456
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 1: and he's got a great finished him. I think he's

457
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 1: got the right amount of nastiness, Like he's not gonna

458
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 1: cost you anything, He's not going to create penalties. He's

459
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 1: not overboard. You know, we've seen that from some guys

460
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 1: that kind of take that to the extreme. But he's

461
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 1: a finisher. He plays through the whistle. You know, he

462
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 1: likes putting guys down on the ground, and he likes

463
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Speaker 1: finishing blocks, and he likes pancakes. Clearly, he's a much

464
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 1: more in line blocker. You know, you're not going to

465
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 1: see him pulling out on perimeters. You know, he's not.

466
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Speaker 1: He doesn't have that same athletic ability that Tipman does.

467
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 1: I think in the combo blocks, the thing that I

468
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 1: just wanted to see a little bit more was a

469
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 1: little bit more leg drive, a little more acceleration as

470
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: he bounced up to the second level. But I think

471
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Speaker 1: he's a very good center. I think he's going to

472
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 1: continue to get better. He's bigger, he's thicker, he's got

473
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Speaker 1: a very thick lower body. And you know, if mass

474
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: is your thing and you want a big, thick center,

475
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 1: that's the guy that you want.

476
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Speaker 2: So I saw him run a lot of outside zone

477
00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 2: make a lot of nice reach blocks on on the

478
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Speaker 2: tape from Minnesota too.

479
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean as much as I say, he's just

480
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: he's an inline blocker, Like he can reach. He can

481
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Speaker 1: absolutely you know, reach you know, outside zones. You know,

482
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 1: he's he's got pretty good lateral capability. You know. I

483
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,199
Speaker 1: think you know, there's things that you show up on

484
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 1: tape you say, okay, you know what those are things

485
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 1: that he can correct and he can get better, he

486
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Speaker 1: can approve on. But he's got all the skills, all

487
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: the intangibles, you know. I think I think he's got

488
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 1: great demeanor. You know, just talking to some people with

489
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 1: the interviews of the combine and talking with this kid.

490
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: He's one of those kids that like, you're never gonna

491
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: worry about your phone ringing at two am with Don

492
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Speaker 1: Michael Schmidt.

493
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Speaker 2: All right, how about Whippler Jersey guy.

494
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jersey boy. I really like Whippler. You know, he's

495
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: kind of flew under the radar with you know, some

496
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Speaker 1: of the all the talent around him in Ohio State.

497
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 1: Not the biggest guy like he's he didn't. He's not

498
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: gonna wow you with anything any numbers, you know, verticals

499
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: or any of the combine measurements. But when you turn

500
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Speaker 1: on the film, of all the centers in this draft,

501
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: I feel like he's the most polished, Like he fits

502
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: the part. He's got great hands, all of his footwork

503
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: and combo blocks reach Blox. He's got really great footwork.

504
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: He's always balanced. I mean, I don't see him on

505
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 1: the ground. Like one of the things that I always

506
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: put down in red ink whenever I'm watching film and

507
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: taking notes is how many times guys on the ground

508
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 1: and his offensive lineman. If you're on the ground, like,

509
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: you can't win, you're not helping your team. You can't

510
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 1: block people if you're flopping around. So for Luke Whippler,

511
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: he can do it all. I think he's great at

512
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: the point of attack. He's great with the zone scheme

513
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: blocking like Tipman. He likes to get out in space,

514
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 1: he likes to pull, so he's you know, you see

515
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: him in screens, you see him ins toss plays, working

516
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 1: to get up to the second level on you know,

517
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: combo blocks. I think Whippler is a really good prospect

518
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Speaker 1: coming out. I really like him. He's got a little

519
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: he's got a little personality, so maybe that's the Jersey

520
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: boy in him, but I think he could be one

521
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: of the guys that we look back on in this

522
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: draft a few years from now and say, boy, that guy.

523
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't get enough publicity leading up to

524
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Speaker 1: the draft, but I think by by year three, people

525
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: are going to know Luke whipper is.

526
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Speaker 2: All right. Those are probably the Day two centers you mentioned.

527
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: You know, Stromberg ready from Arkansas was potential Day three guy.

528
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 2: I think you mentioned Juice Scruggs earlier as well. Who

529
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Speaker 2: else would you like on day three at the Giants

530
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: are still looking for for a center, and uh, just

531
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Speaker 2: talk about those two guys that I mentioned.

532
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Stromberg, you know, he's I mean, he's

533
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: probably got the most amount of film out there, and

534
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, just just a lunchbucket guy and you know,

535
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,479
Speaker 1: probably not as much accolades as some of the other guys,

536
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: but just tough, really good techniques. You know, He's one

537
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: of those guys that I think would really fit into

538
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: the room with the Giants and I think Bobby Johnson

539
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: I love to have a guy like that. He's just

540
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: going to come in, he's going to go to work,

541
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Speaker 1: he's going to put his head down, and he's got

542
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: some fightiness to him as well. So I think that's

543
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: a big part of that the room. The culture of

544
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: that Olner room has changed significantly in just one year

545
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: with Bobby Johnson run in that group. So I think

546
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: Stromberg's could be a good guy. Juice Scruggs, you mentioned

547
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: you know there's a couple of guys that played center

548
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: in addition to it. I know Osyrus Torrance is a

549
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: guard and he played a little center in the Senior Bowl.

550
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: Steve Avila alon Ali from from TCU. Alex ForSight from Oregon.

551
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: You know he's probably a later and even later on

552
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: UH center.

553
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: Jared Patterson another one of those combo guys, right.

554
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Patterson from Notre Dame. The interesting guy that I've

555
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: kind of heard his name mentioned a couple of different

556
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: times is Cody Mock, who played tackle at UH at

557
00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: North Dakota State, but he also so played a little

558
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: guard at some of the Bowl games as Senior Bowl.

559
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: I believe he moved in the guard and I think

560
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: he took some center snaps so he could literally he

561
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 1: could play at all. I don't know if he's big

562
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: enough to be a tackle in the league. So I

563
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: could see a team looking at Cody. If Cody Mack's

564
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: sitting there in the third round, I mean, I'd be

565
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: shocked if Cody Mocker was available on the third round.

566
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: But if he's sitting there and someone says, hey, look

567
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: like he's an offense line, he's a player, We'll find

568
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: a place. We'll find a way to get him on

569
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: the field. He could be kind of a dark horse says, hey,

570
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: maybe he wants to move to center in the league.

571
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: I certainly did that. I played left tackle of Rutgers

572
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: moved to center like Nick Gates did the same thing.

573
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: He was a tackle at college and then moved inside

574
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: and played garden center. So I think Cody Mock is

575
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: a guy that, you know, Giants fans should keep their

576
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: eye out on because he could end up being a

577
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: guy that Giants pluck up if he's you know, sitting

578
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: around there.

579
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Giants do need to guard Sean, and you

580
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 2: mentioned some of them in your last answer. Any other

581
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: guards that when you were at the Combine and Indy

582
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: really jump out to you where if the Giants are

583
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: looking to kind of beef up that left guard spot.

584
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: And look, Lewinsky, he's only got two years left in

585
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: his contract. You had to, you know, try to get

586
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 2: some back up there. I know, josh A zudus here,

587
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: who who's a young player the drafted last year. Mckeithan too.

588
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 2: But any guards that that you really kind of saw

589
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: at the Common, You're like, oh, all right, I could

590
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: love to see that guy in big blue.

591
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. O. Cyrus Torrance is the is the guy that

592
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: jumps out at you. Just this kid's a total stud.

593
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: And you know, played five years, four years at Louisiana

594
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: and then transferred to Florida. Followed Billy Napeier coach and

595
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: his online coach as well to Florida. And you know,

596
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: it's funny every year, you know, you get like all

597
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: these stats from you know, different people like hey, this

598
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: offensive lineman only gave up one pressure or one sack

599
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: and a senior year, well, Cyrus Torrance did not give

600
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: up a single sack in his entire college career, like

601
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: five years of playing football, not one sack. That to

602
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: me was remarkable, you know, I don't know how you

603
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: do that, but that really kind of jumps out of you.

604
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: And then you watch him on film and this dude,

605
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: I mean, look, he I think he was four hundred

606
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: pounds at one point in in his life. He's been

607
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: big his whole life. It weights not really an issue.

608
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: He's been able to keep that off. But this dude

609
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: has huge hands, Like he almost looks like one of

610
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: the Marvel superheroes, and like when he punches guys, I mean,

611
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: that's it. It's lockdown central. And he's got great, violent,

612
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: physical hands. So as a guard, you love anytime somebody's

613
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: got a big punch like that, And you know, from

614
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: a power standpoint, he can anchor with the best of them.

615
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: I think he's got some nastiness to him. You know,

616
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: he kind of likes pounding guys. He likes Paul dropping guys,

617
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: and I think that's what you want if you're going

618
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: to get a right guard. I've always felt like, when

619
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: you look at off his linement, the right guard has

620
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: to be the most physical guard. Left guard you're asking

621
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: to pull a lot more. They can be a little

622
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: more athletic, but your right guard typically teams run their

623
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: power football. They run their strength to the right, so

624
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: you've got to have a powerful right guard. I played

625
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: Chrisny was one of the toughest sobs out there. It

626
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: was always one of the strongest guys on the field,

627
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: certainly one of the strongest guys on our team. And

628
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: that was always a big part of our running game,

629
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: was we had our powerful right guard. No matter who

630
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 1: was there, he was going to move him. That's what

631
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: you get in a guy like Osirius Torrence. His nickname

632
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: was Cybo. His mom named him Cyborg, So that gives

633
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: you any insight into what kind of kid you're talking about.

634
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: There's another guy that jumped out from a power standpoint.

635
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: Emil Ekiyor from Alabama didn't give up a sack in

636
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: his last two years at Alabama, and you think about

637
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: the competition he was going against, you know, one of

638
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: the national championship in Alabama a couple of years ago.

639
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: And it's funny because you know, he was at the

640
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: Combine and he's from Indianapolis, so it was like a

641
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: home game for him. You know, he grew up right

642
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: around there, so he was in his glory. Interesting because

643
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: we were talking earlier about, hey, maybe somebody that was

644
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: a guard that could be able to move the center.

645
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: He played center a little bit and actually at the

646
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl stepped in a number of times and some

647
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: one on ones and in some different drills and played center.

648
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: And I tell you what, he's extremely stout. This guy's

649
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: got some thick, powerful legs. And you know, whether it

650
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: was a center or whatever, whether it was a guard,

651
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: he was not going backwards, like whether it was a

652
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: run one on one run blocking play or pass blocking play,

653
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: nobody was pushing him back. So he's he was a

654
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: very stout guy. Kind of really jumped out of me,

655
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, the other guys, everybody kind of just Steve

656
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: Avila from TCU is a guy that you know, was

657
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: highly decorated, has a ton of film out there. Really

658
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: powerful guy. So again another powerful guard. I think he

659
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: played left guard at TCU, but I could see him,

660
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, moving over to the right side as well.

661
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: He actually I think he played four different positions there

662
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: at one point or another.

663
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he played center and moved out to

664
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Speaker 1: guard his last year. So I think that's that he's

665
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: a guy that a lot of people are really high on.

666
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: But it's you know, when you look at those guards.

667
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: It's you know, the best guards in this draft are

668
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: all big boys. They're big, powerful guys.

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00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: All right, I'll real quick. You don't have to go

670
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: to the in depth on this. Giants need a swing tackle,

671
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: right they have Neil and Andrew Thomas are pretty happy

672
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: with that. Any tackles out there, maybe developmental guys that

673
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: you saw at the combine where you're like, oh, you

674
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: know what, this guy looks like he can move, Maybe

675
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: he has to do some development stuff like that. Some

676
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: of the Giants could take on on Day three that

677
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: maybe could be developmental guy out there tackle.

678
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I mentioned I mentioned Cody Mak he

679
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: won't be there. You know. Ryan Hayes from Michigan. I

680
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: think that one the Senior Bowl. I think, you know

681
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: he's a he's a guy that could absolutely use another

682
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: year that kind of develop and just get a little

683
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: bit stronger. I thought there was times at the Senior

684
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: Bowl where he just kind of got he just got

685
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: out muscled, and you know, he's he's a good player,

686
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: plays hard like, does not take any plays off. But

687
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: he could be a late round guy that you pick up.

688
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: I think there's another guy down in Maryland, Jalen Duncan,

689
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: who I really liked his athleticism. I think he's kind

690
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: of under the radar because he played at Maryland and

691
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: people didn't, you know, people weren't watching Maryland every single

692
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: Saturday at twelve o'clock. But I think he's he's a

693
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: guy that's got some really good footworks and really good balance.

694
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: He's got a really good punch, so he could end

695
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: up being a nice steel the guy that we didn't

696
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: really hit on, and I don't you know, not a

697
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: lot of people are talking about, but Matt Bergeron from Syracuse.

698
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: Good player, undersized.

699
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: Tackle, not as big as some of these other guys

700
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: that are coming out of Ohio State in Georgia, but

701
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: a really sound, really good, polished tackle. He's got great hands.

702
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: Every every time I watched him in one on ones,

703
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: you know, at the Senior Bowl, his footwork it was

704
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: so natural. Like a lot of guys you look at

705
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: them and it's like they're laboring through their kickslide. His

706
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: kickslide was very smooth, very natural, and his hands were

707
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: always inside. So uh, there's a couple of times that

708
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, guys bull rushed him and you know, he

709
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: had a hard time anchoring with that sitting down. But

710
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: you know that happens in the NFL every single day.

711
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: You're going to watch an NFL practice like you and

712
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: I do in the training camp. You know, the bull

713
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: rush is kind of like it's almost like an unwritten code,

714
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: Like you don't do the bull rush in the one

715
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: on one pass us because it's not really fair, like

716
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: you're just all you're doing is trying to drive the

717
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: guy back. It's kind of like a jerk move. But

718
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: I think Bergern is a guy that can, uh that

719
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: can really surprise the people. And you know, he would

720
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: be a great late pick up if he's around. Uh right, see,

721
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my notes right now. There was another

722
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: tackle that I kind of like that. See if I

723
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Speaker 1: think sign him. So, Darnell Wright is probably going to

724
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: be pretty high. He's gonna be probably a high draftic.

725
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll be down there later on. But

726
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: he was a guy that kind of threw under the radar.

727
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: Dalton Wagner, we talked about strong from Markatsas Dalton Wagner.

728
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: It was a sixty year guy, played a ton of football.

729
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: He's got a great personality. He actually signed with the

730
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Speaker 1: w W e he has. He had an n I

731
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Speaker 1: L deal with the w W E and you know

732
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: it was for food, I think, and and so Ralvin

733
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: Lineman it was kind of like, hey, this is great.

734
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Speaker 2: That is the most offensive line thing I've heard in

735
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 2: my entire life show. And I can't get over how

736
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: offensive line that is.

737
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you don't even Bunny, just give me. Can

738
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: I get like the gold pass to outback gold card?

739
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think his n I L deal was

740
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: for food. And he's actually he's got a little uh

741
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: little football in his blood. His cousin it was Keith Lumpkin,

742
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: who was an office lineman at Rutgers. So I think, uh,

743
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: you know when when you look at Dalton Maner, he's

744
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: a sixty eight kind of guy. So I know, I

745
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: don't love giving NFL comparisons because I I don't like

746
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: Pigeonholen guys are saying it, but like he kind of

747
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: reminded them Mark Colombo. Mark Colombo was a really tall guy,

748
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: six ' eight. You know, look he just like when

749
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: you look at him, you're like, hey, he doesn't look

750
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: super athletic, and they're like, you know, he kind of

751
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: but but he's a good alignment like, he's just got

752
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: really good technique. He's got really good footwork. He's he's strong,

753
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: even though it doesn't look like he's this huge, powerful guy,

754
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: just got really good technique. He's a guy that I think, man,

755
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: if he's he's around there in the fifth, sixth, or

756
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: seventh round, I think he would be a stealer.

757
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: All right, Final question, Sean, no offensive line, just general

758
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: big picture giants here. What would you like to see

759
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: them walk away with with their first three picks? If

760
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: there's any you know, he gave me positions. You can

761
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: pinpoint players at positions in spots. However you want to

762
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: handle this. I leave the floor open to you if

763
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: you were trying to. And by the way, Seoan will

764
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: be with us on our draft coverage later in the week.

765
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: We should have fun with that. So give me. You know,

766
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: what are your hopes and dreams for the Giants as

767
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: they kind of you know, walk out around one, two,

768
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: and three with you know, either pusicians or players that

769
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: you would hope think they can walk away with to

770
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: improve their team this year and set themselves up for

771
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: the future.

772
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, John, looking forward to our draft coverage later on

773
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: this week and of course. You know, at that point

774
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: we'll talk about how wrong I was with all these

775
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: answers I'm about to give you.

776
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 2: I've been wrong for a month and a half. Shown

777
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: it's fine. Just get on the bandwagon. We're we're all

778
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 2: in this together.

779
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: Man in the tail of the donkey.

780
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: You know.

781
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: So, look, I think if you're a Giants fan right now,

782
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: like everybody's saying, look, can we get a receiver? You know,

783
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: we just talked about an interior alignment. You know, I

784
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: think that those are positions that you want to strengthen

785
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: the team, certainly for offensive linemen like that. They need

786
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: some younger some some younger blood, some theer life. And

787
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: you need some depth as well. So those are two

788
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: areas of need. I think if the Giants can find

789
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: a receiver in the first or second round that look,

790
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm not everybody's caught up on size. There's a couple

791
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: of tall receivers in this draft. You know, the kid

792
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: from t twent Johnston six two sixty three, Kwen Johnson,

793
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: he's a big kid. I think there's like one other

794
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: get the kid from Tennessee is six two six three.

795
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: That's what everybody wants. That give me that big, tall

796
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: number one receiver. Look, I don't care what the size

797
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: of the receiver is with the Giants, kid, the word

798
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: that I'm looking for is space, right, Can the receiver

799
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: creates space? Because last year Daniel Jones, you know, when

800
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: you look at the offense of what he was able

801
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: to do, there was not a lot of space that

802
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: he was throwing the receivers to like, they did not

803
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: create a lot of space and a lot of separation.

804
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: And you can do that with size, you can do

805
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: it with speed. So I think that's one area. But

806
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 1: if in the first three rounds of Giants can get

807
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: a receiver that can create some space and some separation,

808
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: that's a plus I think in the league right now,

809
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: take the quarterback out of it. The premium positions are tackles,

810
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: all right, Giants are good there on tackles. Corners. You

811
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: can never have enough corners. Most teams play nickel defense

812
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: more than any other base cover, so you need three

813
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: starting corners. I could see the I think the Giants

814
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: need a corner, and then I don't think you can

815
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: have enough pass rushers. So if the Giants got a receiver,

816
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: a corner, and a pass rusher in the first three picks.

817
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: I think that would be a really good move, and

818
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: I would be fine if they went offensive lineman instead

819
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: of a pass rusher or vice versa. But again, it

820
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: all depends on what is the run you know early

821
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: on the draft as opposed to what's available from a

822
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: value standpoint. So you can never have too many pass

823
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: rushers on third down. It's always nice to be able

824
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: to rotate guys in there. Oh al, I'm and hate that.

825
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: You can never have too many starting corners. And you know,

826
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: I think for the Giants, absolutely help that receiver and

827
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: depth along the interior offensive line is a must.

828
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. You can see Showana Haar and I on our

829
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: coverage on Thursday night after the Giants make their first pick.

830
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 2: We will react to that pick right on Giants dot

831
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 2: Com and the Giants Ball Black. Sean, good stuff, my friend.

832
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: I'll see in a few days. Thank you.

833
00:38:59,520 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 3: Sounds good.

834
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: Thanks John, looking forward to it all right.

835
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: We thanks Sean o'harard. A great job out of him

836
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: talking and going inside that center class. And now for

837
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: the back half of our offensive line draft preview, we're

838
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: joined by Brandon Thorne, second year. He's joined this year.

839
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 2: He's Trench Warfare podcast, Substack newsletter. Brandon and I missed

840
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: anything else.

841
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 3: Uh no, I don't think so established the run, but

842
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: that's during the season. But yeah, that's that's pretty much

843
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 3: it right now.

844
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Brandon lives for tracking the offensive line stuff

845
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: throughout the year, So great gut to have on. He

846
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 2: takes a real deep look at these prospects. And you know, Brandon,

847
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 2: I'm sure usually when you do a lot of these hits,

848
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 2: you get a lot of questions about the tackle class

849
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. Well, the Giants fortunately have had

850
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: a couple of, you know, high draft picks to tackle that.

851
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: At least. Andrew Thomas has turned into a very good player.

852
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: And Evan Neil had a rough first year, but they

853
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: hoped he improves and kind of takes that step forward.

854
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: I guess why don't we start here before we get

855
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: into the draft. Last your thoughts on Evan Neil's first

856
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: year and kind of where his next steps have to

857
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: be for him to kind of develop into a top

858
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: offensive line in this Andrew Thomas.

859
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 3: Did, Yeah, well, I mean I think you kind of

860
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 3: touched on it a little bit. I mean, it was

861
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 3: it was very up and down. He had his moments.

862
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 3: You know, there was a couple of games, especially I

863
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 3: think later second half of the year there was there's

864
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 3: some games where you know he would string you know,

865
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 3: almost a whole game together. You know, of a lot

866
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 3: of good reps. So you saw some of the progression.

867
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 3: I think so much of what you know, most of

868
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 3: these young guys him included, you know you saw with

869
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 3: Andrew Thomas. It's so technique based because I mean it's

870
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: not like Andrew Thomas got any stronger, more athletic or

871
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 3: anything like that. I mean, it's just learning. I think

872
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 3: so much of it is in past protection, you know,

873
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: especially getting to your landmarks, your set points, based on

874
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 3: the different passing concepts, based on the depth of the quarterback,

875
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: that just the timing of the of the play, and

876
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: then also factoring in who you're going against, what alignment

877
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 3: they're in. That's going to dictate kind of where you

878
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 3: need to be when you need to be there. It's

879
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: it's a process. It's you know, offensive line is such

880
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 3: a skill based position, much more so than defensive line

881
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 3: or or pretty much most positions, I think, just because

882
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: it's so unnatural, you know, kind of moving backwards and

883
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: things like that in past protection. So I think if

884
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 3: he could play with better timing, get out of his

885
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: stance more consistently. You know, snap timing is huge, specially

886
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: for tackles. You you typically want one of the things

887
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 3: you look for for tackles is you want that guy,

888
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: those guys to be the first ones out of their

889
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 3: stance because they're dealing with so much space and a

890
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 3: better athlete across from them, you know, nine times out

891
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: of ten. So I think it starts there with how

892
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 3: he gets out of his stance. If he could get

893
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: out of his stance quickly pretty much every time or

894
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 3: most of the time, that's going to just give him

895
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: that extra half second, you know, to be in the

896
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 3: right position so he can kind of dictate terms to

897
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 3: the pass rusher, because if he plays on the pass

898
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 3: rushers terms, you know, it's not gonna go well, he's

899
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 3: gonna have to reach it's he's gonna have to lunge

900
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 3: to try to make contact, he's gonna get off balance,

901
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: things like that. But if he could dictate terms at

902
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 3: six seven three forty, you know, then I think, you know,

903
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 3: he'll be all right. So you saw flashes of it,

904
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 3: you know, I think we saw a lot of it

905
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: at Bama as well, of course. But yeah, I think

906
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 3: it's a process and he's he's young enough to where,

907
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 3: you know, I wouldn't be too concerned. He has a

908
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 3: long runway to improve here, So.

909
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I think kind of that lunging

910
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: in getting out over his pads kind of messed up

911
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: with his balance a lot on on some of those

912
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: reps you're talking about. And this would be the last

913
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: tackle question I asked for you. Giants could use maybe

914
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: a long term swing tackle behind those two guys. They

915
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: have Matt Parrot who's been around for a while, a

916
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 2: couple other guys. But we were just talking before we

917
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 2: started Day three offense. You know, offensive lineman, you've kind

918
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: of been doing some research on that. Who's who's there?

919
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: Maybe a Day three tackle you could pick in this

920
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: draft brand and that you think could kind of develop

921
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: into a swing tackle down the road.

922
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: There's a lot of them that I that I like.

923
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 3: It depends on if they make it to Day three though.

924
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 3: You know, Nick Saldeverari Tyler Stein, Carter Warren, those are

925
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 3: probably my three favorite swing tackle guys who I have graded,

926
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: you know, anywhere from late third round to fourth round.

927
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 3: So you know, they could go anywhere in there. It's

928
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 3: kind of a fringe, you know, top one hundred guys.

929
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 3: So those are three, you know, right off the bat,

930
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: I think that could be that should be swing tackles

931
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 3: right away and if not, potentially win a job somewhere,

932
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 3: you know, a little bit further down the line, you're

933
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: looking at guys like maybe Wanya Morris, Seem Richards, Jalen Duncan.

934
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 3: Potentially those are probably the next guys. I think Warren

935
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: McLendon as it has a shot of being a swing

936
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 3: tackle as well. Uh, that's the guy have graded kind

937
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: of closer to the fifth, sixth round. But there's there's

938
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 3: some options down there, man, And I think the Giants

939
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 3: would be a good spot for them to go to

940
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: as well, because there's obviously no pressure to play and

941
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: they could really be swing tackles there. And so yeah,

942
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 3: I think those names, if they're gonna get one, those

943
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 3: would be the five or so names that I would

944
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 3: bet on.

945
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: Good names. All right, let's dive into the center class here,

946
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 2: and this is more towards the top of the draft, Brandon,

947
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 2: So why don't we start here? Do you think there's

948
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: a first round center in this draft or do you

949
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: think you should start thinking about it more in round two?

950
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 2: You're your overall kind of twenty thousand foot view of

951
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: that class.

952
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have a first round center in this class,

953
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: so yeah, second round would would be where I would go.

954
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 3: And there's you know, my number one center is John

955
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 3: Michael SCHMIDTZ, so I have a second round grade on

956
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 3: him kind of like middle of the second. He could

957
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 3: potentially go in the late first so it wouldn't be

958
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 3: shocked at all. And then my number two center would

959
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 3: probably be It's kind of like a tie between Cody

960
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: malk and Joe Timan, you know, and either of those

961
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: guys could play guard as well. But I would ideally

962
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: like to see both those guys at cent. But I

963
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 3: think Tipman has a better chance of playing guard than Mouth,

964
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 3: but they both could play guard, so I don't know

965
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 3: that one's kind of those guys are more fringe were

966
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 3: you know JMS. John Michael Schmidt is more like a

967
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 3: strict center. So those would be the three guys you

968
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: know that I all have graded in you know, middle

969
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 3: to late second, early third kind of range.

970
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: For me, how close is Whippler to those guys? For you?

971
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 3: Not very close. I have Stromberg fourth. I really like

972
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: Ricky Stromberg as a fourth round grade. Uh and then

973
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: Whippler's like later fourth. I just worry about his size.

974
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 3: You know, he's small man. You know, there's not a

975
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 3: lot of small centers that are good in the NFL.

976
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: It's just, you know, it's tough. I've kind of you know,

977
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 3: fallen victim to to like in the small center before.

978
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 3: So maybe a little bit of bias there against that

979
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 3: because he reminds me a lot of Garrett Bradbury coming out.

980
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 3: You know, very athletic, moves very well, but short arms, short,

981
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 3: small stature. You know, Guys get into his frame pretty easily.

982
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 3: You know, he kind of gets caught up at the

983
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 3: first level, especially outside zone, head up nose tackle, you know,

984
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 3: trying to rip through get to the second level. I

985
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: saw him get kind of caught up quite a bit,

986
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 3: be late in those situations. Long arm linebackers can stack

987
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 3: and shed him pretty easily. But I heard he's wired

988
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 3: really well. He's a really good teammate, really good worker,

989
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: and he's young. So I would definitely draft him for sure.

990
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 3: I just you know, I struggle to see a real

991
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 3: long term, high quality starter I think that's in the

992
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 3: range of outcomes, but I'd let somebody else do that

993
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 3: if it's in the first three rounds personally.

994
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: Totally get it all right, So let's now circle back

995
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: to where we started. John Michael Schmidz. What sets him

996
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: apart for you from the other guys as being a

997
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 2: number one center on the board?

998
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: I mean consistency, you know, really experience. There's a lot

999
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: of tape of him doing the same thing. He's over

1000
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 3: and over again. Uh, you know, it's it's easy to

1001
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 3: feel good about his evaluation, you know, the ceiling. I

1002
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: don't know that he has the physical tools to get

1003
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: to an All Pro or Pro Bowl level guy, whereas

1004
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 3: maybe Tipman or Mouk you know, could maybe scratch that

1005
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 3: a little bit, you know, down the line. But if

1006
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 3: you want a guy who's going to be solid right away, uh,

1007
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 3: and maybe just be solid and that's it, that's that's

1008
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 3: your guy, And I just feel better about that as

1009
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 3: opposed to to betting on something, you know, betting on

1010
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 3: a guy to kind of like develop, you know, further

1011
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 3: than he needs to develop. I guess it just depends

1012
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 3: on the situation and who I was scouting for. If

1013
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 3: if maybe I would value Tipman above JMS that I

1014
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 3: think that's potentially you know, uh, I think that's valid.

1015
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: But they're close, very close for me. But I just

1016
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 3: give the edge to JMS just because we've seen it

1017
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 3: for you know, multiple years now, several years, and it's

1018
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 3: very consistent. I love that he's come from a multiple

1019
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 3: run scheme. They're running power duo, counter, outside zone, inside zone, pinpoll.

1020
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 3: You've seen him execute every single thing you'd want to see.

1021
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 3: And another big thing about him is I think he's

1022
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 3: the stronger guy of these three in terms of play

1023
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 3: strength and man. That really sets the floor to me

1024
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 3: for an offensive lineman. If a guy plays strong, and

1025
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 3: I think he does, and he's also very skilled in

1026
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: the run game. You know, he's on the ground a

1027
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 3: little bit too much. His body control isn't great. You know,

1028
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 3: he reminds me a lot of Ben Jones, you know,

1029
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 3: for the Titans, who's you know, fourth round guy, you know,

1030
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: not a great athlete, but man ten years, you know,

1031
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 3: solid starter because of so many other things that he

1032
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 3: does and understands. So yeah, that's why I give James

1033
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 3: a slight edge.

1034
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: All right, Timman, he's six six, he's a little tall

1035
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: at least for you know, as compared to a lot

1036
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 2: of centers. Did you see that show up in any

1037
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 2: way when you watch him? Is that not a concern

1038
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 2: for you? And one of the things that that you

1039
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: really liked about Tipman when you watched him at Wisconsin.

1040
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a concern. That's That's a big reason

1041
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 3: why I don't have him above JMS. You know, he

1042
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 3: reminds me he's very very similar to Josh Myers. Coming out,

1043
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 3: very good athlete, burst, change of direction, very good. He's

1044
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 3: an outstanding puller. You know, Wisconsin ran pinpoll I think

1045
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 3: nine ten times a game specifically for Joe Tipman to

1046
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 3: get out in space and track down linebackers. So he

1047
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 3: has kind of that ace up his sleeve, you know

1048
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 3: where if you're gonna if you're a team that likes

1049
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 3: pin pool or wants to install more pinpool and you

1050
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 3: want a pulling center, you know, Joe Tipman is definitely

1051
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 3: your guy. He's very efficient just in the zone run

1052
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 3: game as well, combo blocks, getting up to the second level,

1053
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: big frame, you know, cast a wide net with his

1054
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 3: wingspin in his frame. Know, he's quick, you know there,

1055
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: there's there's a lot of good things. He he quarterbacks

1056
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 3: the line pre snap as well. He's he's doing the

1057
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 3: mic points, you know, like JMS as well. He's very

1058
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 3: active in terms of communication on film. But yeah, it

1059
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 3: plays with an exposed open chess persistent forward lean uh

1060
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 3: stout defenders can gain an easy control over him, specifically

1061
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: on the first level. You know, uh angle, drive blocks,

1062
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 3: down blocks, base blocks, things like that. Hand placement isn't

1063
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 3: very good. He falls off blocks a lot. He's on

1064
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 3: the ground, probably a little bit more than JMS is.

1065
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 3: You know, he just you know, the first level is

1066
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 3: a little, not a little. It's up and down. You know,

1067
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 3: the second, third level he's out. He's awesome. But you know,

1068
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 3: if you can't take care of the first level, it

1069
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 3: doesn't really matter, you know, about the second level too much,

1070
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 3: especially in the NFL. Uh So there's some questions there,

1071
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 3: you know, I think, but I think it's fair to

1072
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 3: say he has the best physical tools of any of

1073
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: these centers in terms of size, athletic ability. Uh So,

1074
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot to like, but I think

1075
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 3: there's clearly some things that he needs to improve on. He,

1076
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 3: like I said, if you read my Josh Myers scouting

1077
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 3: report coming out of Ohio State, and you watch Josh

1078
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 3: Myers in Green Bay, that's that's very similar to what

1079
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,919
Speaker 3: you're getting with Joe timm and I think, so, yeah,

1080
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 3: that's that's how I see him now.

1081
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: Cody Mak is somebody from a quote unquote smaller program,

1082
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 2: though it's an excellent program and they beat a lot

1083
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: of you know, one A schools. He's someone that we

1084
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: haven't seen play center, right. We saw him play a

1085
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: little bit of center at the Senior ball and mobile

1086
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: when we were down there. But he you know, he

1087
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: moves so well. He was a tackle in college. What

1088
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 2: is it about his traits that you know, to your

1089
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 2: point you think you know better center than guard, even

1090
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 2: that you think will translate into becoming a potential top

1091
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: end center.

1092
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean malk is an easy guy to like

1093
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 3: for a variety of reasons. Obviously, you know, kind of

1094
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: the way he looks, personality, you know, all all those

1095
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 3: kind of things. But you know, when you watch the

1096
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 3: film North Dakota State, they're one gap power team, excuse me,

1097
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 3: one back power team. That's kind of the bread and butter.

1098
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 3: A gap power is what you see from them eighty

1099
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 3: percent of the time. When they run the ball, which

1100
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 3: is nice because you get to see him execute a

1101
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 3: lot of gap concepts. So you know, he's very I

1102
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 3: would call him a well versed run blocker. He's skilled

1103
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 3: teams that want to run downhill concepts. I think would

1104
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 3: like Cody Mauk. I think his upper body strength is good.

1105
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 3: I think once he latches into guys, his grip strength,

1106
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 3: upper body strength, his ability to steer and seal defenders

1107
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 3: on down blocks, double teams, kickouts is good. Unrelenting finisher,

1108
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 3: very good demeanor, home setting kind of presence. And then

1109
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 3: he also has very good balance, you know, as well

1110
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 3: to kind of keep his feet, you know, and he's

1111
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 3: good at the second level as well. You know, he's

1112
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 3: definitely not to play tackle. I don't think the jump

1113
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 3: for him. I think in terms of scheme is going

1114
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 3: to be more stark than the other two guys. You know,

1115
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 3: North Dakota State's a run heavy scheme and when they

1116
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 3: do pass, it's a lot of quick game stuff. You know,

1117
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 3: he he's just gonna have a more of a process

1118
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 3: I think there to to get used to pass protecting,

1119
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: assuming he plays guarter center, you know, three technique shades.

1120
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 3: It's just gonna be a different world for him in

1121
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 3: that regard. I think he has the traits to you know,

1122
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 3: kind of you know, iron out those those bumps over time.

1123
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 3: You know, for sure, he has the right demeanor and

1124
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 3: stuff like that. You know, he's high cut, lean, narrow,

1125
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 3: you know, not the biggest, most stout guy, but he

1126
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 3: is strong. But yeah, I just think for him, you know,

1127
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 3: the reason why I would kind of give those other

1128
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 3: two guys a slight edge is really what he's going

1129
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 3: to be asked to do compared to what he was

1130
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 3: asked to do in college, and then the level of

1131
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 3: competition is going to be dramatic difference. So that to

1132
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 3: me is just gonna result, I think in a little

1133
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 3: bit more of an adjustment phase for him. And then

1134
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 3: of course that's going to depend on where he goes

1135
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: and what he's asked to do as well. If he

1136
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 3: goes to a heavy play action scheme like you guys,

1137
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 3: you know where you're running play action more than any

1138
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 3: team in the league, or you know, one of the

1139
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 3: two or three most, that'll certainly help because he's gonna

1140
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 3: be able to set aggressively on guys, you know, in

1141
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 3: pass protection, not have to take a true passet that

1142
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 3: often stuff like that, you know, you know, you could

1143
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 3: speed it up, but when I'm projecting for all thirty

1144
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 3: two teams, you know, I just think more often more,

1145
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 3: there's a good chance that he's going to have a

1146
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 3: pretty steep adjustment curve. So yeah, yeah, they were seventy

1147
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 3: thirty run pass I mean, you know, and they're running

1148
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 3: all gap scheme, so it's it's gonna be just different

1149
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 3: for him. But there's a lot to like.

1150
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: What is it you really liked about Stromberg that has

1151
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 2: him that high for you?

1152
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Stromberg fourth fifth round grade for me. Yeah, let

1153
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 3: me let me pull up his report. I mean, you know,

1154
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 3: I just I think with Stromberg, you know, the it's

1155
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 3: it's fun. It's fun to watch him. You know, when

1156
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 3: you first watch him, he he looks he kind of

1157
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 3: has a sloppy build, honestly, you know, it doesn't really

1158
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 3: look that impressive.

1159
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 2: Bigger guy though, which is nice. What's that I said?

1160
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 2: I said, he's he's a little bit of a bigger

1161
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: frame than I think some of the other guys.

1162
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 3: Right, you know, he's six three three oh six. Yeah,

1163
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 3: you know.

1164
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 2: His history oh six, So okay, you know what on

1165
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: on on on tape. He looked heavier than that.

1166
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 3: To me. Yeah, he may have played a little heavier.

1167
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 3: His build is just not that impressive, you know. He

1168
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 3: You know, you watch you see JMS at the combine,

1169
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 3: you see Tipman and malk they look like, you know,

1170
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 3: just they're well put together. I mean JMS looks he's

1171
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 3: rocked up. Stromberg just doesn't look like that. But when

1172
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 3: you watch him, uh, I love his physicality. He's extremely

1173
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 3: quick and efficient into the first level of rum blocks

1174
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 3: or the first phase. Excuse me, so we just talked

1175
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 3: about this on my podcast with lancere Line in Duke.

1176
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 3: You know, there's four phases of a run block. You know,

1177
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 3: in the first phase is really just getting into the block,

1178
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 3: how you fit into contact, the speed, and then the

1179
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 3: leverage that you play with. Initially, I think for him

1180
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 3: it is very impressive how he gets into guys and

1181
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 3: then from there. He's very instinctive and he's a very

1182
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 3: sticky run blocker. He knows how to utilize body positioning

1183
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 3: and manipulate leverage to his advantage to wall off seal

1184
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 3: and create alleys. He's very efficient work in combination blocks.

1185
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 3: He certainly controls the operation pre snap he's active, he's

1186
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 3: making calls corrections when needed. You know there he's very

1187
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 3: efficient passing off line games and stunts. So his I

1188
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 3: think his processing skills are very good. Competitive toughness is

1189
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 3: very good. He's he gets the most out of what

1190
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 3: he has. He also tested really well, which I think

1191
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 3: is just kind of a bonus. I don't think he

1192
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 3: necessarily plays to that, but he is I think more

1193
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 3: athletic than maybe given credit for. You know, he has

1194
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 3: some lapses in balance and body control, especially at the

1195
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 3: second level. There's gonna be things that he's gonna have

1196
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 3: to overcome. I think his change in direction of reactionary

1197
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,919
Speaker 3: quickness is adequate, so you see a lot of that

1198
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 3: manifest itself on the move. So those are some concerns there.

1199
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 3: But man, I've heard great things from people there, you know,

1200
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 3: in the program at Arkansas that he's just kind of

1201
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 3: a staple, a leader. He's a throwback guy, plays hurt,

1202
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 3: which is a huge thing for offensive line. Four year starter.

1203
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 3: I compared him to David Andrews, who was undrafted. You know,

1204
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 3: nobody thought David Andrews would be anything. But so he's

1205
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 3: not quite you know, undrafted material. He might go day three,

1206
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 3: I think, you know, but I could definitely see a

1207
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 3: guy winning very similarly to David Andrews. Very good in

1208
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 3: the first phase, very good at finishing, and you know

1209
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 3: he's smart and tough. So yeah, I'd love to bet

1210
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 3: on him and day three, you know, if I needed

1211
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 3: a center.

1212
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 2: Much like you mentioned earlier in the podcast, Brandon and

1213
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: and just one or two more here, I've become more

1214
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: of an advocate for bigger centers after I watched Dexter

1215
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 2: Lawrence basically toss Garrett Bradbury around for two games at

1216
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: the end of the year, and I'm sitting there, I'm like,

1217
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 2: you know, the Giants have to do with Jordan Davis,

1218
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: they have to deal with Dron Payne, they have to

1219
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: deal with Jonathan Allen. You know. Then the Cowboys are

1220
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: on all those stunts and twists. So I went back

1221
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: and I watched Steve Avila and I liked him as

1222
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 2: I liked his guard tape. Then I went back and

1223
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 2: watched his center tape in twenty twenty one. I gotta

1224
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 2: be honest with that. I was pretty impressed by it.

1225
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: I thought it was good. Do you consider him as

1226
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: a potential center? And if you do, where would you

1227
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: kind of stack him with these other guys, because just

1228
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 2: watching him, I love the position flex He's played a

1229
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 2: lot in four different spots. I think he would be

1230
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 2: a really good, probably early second day pick for somebody

1231
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 2: that could really be a weapon on that offensive line

1232
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 2: that you can use in a bunch of different spots,

1233
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 2: but primarily of course at garden center.

1234
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 3: Yep, I'm with you. He's I have him higher rated

1235
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 3: than all these guys. Yeah, he's my number one guard.

1236
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 3: Uh so, yeah, I mean, you know, Steve Beilis, you

1237
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 3: know almost six four three thirty five. You know, has

1238
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 3: the size, the frame, the build that you won for

1239
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 3: a guard you know who could play center. He's also

1240
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 3: played right tackle, and I think that really manifests itself

1241
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 3: and pass protection and the body control that he plays with.

1242
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 3: That's why he gave him that jover Cyrus Torans because,

1243
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 3: uh he plays a better body control. He's not as

1244
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 3: big and as long as Torrents, but he's just a

1245
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 3: little bit more efficient, so you know, Plus he still

1246
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 3: brings heavy hands, he delivers force and jolt at the

1247
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 3: point of attack. He can hold the point of attack,

1248
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 3: he can he can create displacement. You know, and the

1249
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 3: great thing about TCU, even though they're air raid, you

1250
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 3: know they're that's a downhill power run scheme. You know,

1251
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 3: they're running duo inside zone gap stuff. So you get

1252
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 3: to see him really impose his will on guys in

1253
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 3: the Big twelve, which which is awesome. He's stout and

1254
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 3: past past protection, great Senior Bowl as well. Yeah, I mean,

1255
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 3: and everything I've heard about him is very good as well.

1256
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 3: I think the Georgia game was incredible. Uh the Michigan

1257
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 3: game against Mazie Smith was his best tape, I thought, Uh,

1258
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 3: so he plays up to competition as well when he

1259
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 3: sees real NFL level guys. The Georgia tape, you know

1260
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 3: they're losing by sixty and he's out there finishing dudes,

1261
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 3: burying dudes. It was just a very impressive tape. So

1262
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 3: I like what he was asked to do. I feel

1263
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 3: like you were you were able to see him execute

1264
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 3: everything you want to see a guard execute. And then

1265
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 3: he has tackle guard versatility in his back pocket, which

1266
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 3: you know most likely you know center, you know versatility

1267
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 3: in the NFL. But the fact that he was able

1268
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 3: to play right tackle a couple of games get him

1269
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 3: out of a pinch. That's just a nice kind of ace,

1270
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 3: you know, and in the hole as well. So yeah,

1271
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 3: I mean I compared him to a kind of an

1272
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 3: old school guy justin Blaylock. I don't know if anybody

1273
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 3: sho remember him, but he's a longtime good starter for

1274
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 3: the Falcons and very similar play style to a Villa,

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Speaker 3: So I like a Villa. Maybe Larry Wharford is another

1276
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 3: more recent guy that people can think of, you know,

1277
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 3: to get an idea of a villa. Former Saints Lions guard,

1278
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 3: so that that's who I see, a solid starter, you know,

1279
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 3: probably won't ever get to a Pro Bowl, but man,

1280
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Speaker 3: he's gonna be solid for you.

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01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 2: Is there anything about his profile I would make you

1282
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 2: worried about making him your primary center as opposed to

1283
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Speaker 2: a guard.

1284
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 3: Not really, No, I just think there's more value in

1285
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 3: having the guard, you know, really, so that's where I'd

1286
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 3: want to try the first. But you know, yeah, not really,

1287
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 3: I don't think. Yeah. I liked his guard tape a

1288
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 3: little bit more than center honestly myself, but there wasn't

1289
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 3: really anything that glaring to me that says that, yeah,

1290
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 3: he can't play center, So I think that's certainly possible.

1291
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:55,439
Speaker 3: For him.

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01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 2: All right, Brandon, I'll leave the floor open to you

1293
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 2: with this offensive line class, used it up and down.

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01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 2: You know, something that we haven't talked about yet that

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01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 2: that you think fans need to know about it as

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01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 2: they head into the twenty twenty three NFL Draft.

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Speaker 3: I mean that they need to know about the offensive

1298
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 3: line class.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can go any direction you want, pick a

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01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 2: player the class in general, go wherever you want to go.

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Speaker 3: That's that's a good question. You know. I would probably say, uh,

1302
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 3: I would just focus on you know, Day three guys. There,

1303
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 3: there's some guys there. I would say there's at least

1304
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 3: three or four guys on Day three that are probably

1305
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 3: going to start this year, which you know, looking at

1306
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 3: some of the research of the prior years, is maybe

1307
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 3: average to above average, you know, compared to how many

1308
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 3: guys typically typically come out of a class. And I

1309
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 3: even I even think in the undrafted pool that there's

1310
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 3: some potential guys that that could at least compete for

1311
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 3: a job in this class. So while it's not as

1312
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 3: top heavy, you know, and like you know, full of

1313
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 3: blue chip kind of guys at the top, you know,

1314
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 3: I think that as you get later in this draft,

1315
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 3: There's there's certainly guys kind of scattered throughout that could

1316
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 3: at least compete for jobs and be quality backups with

1317
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 3: starting potential within their first contract. So yeah, I'm gonna

1318
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,479
Speaker 3: have a little bit more on that coming out here soon.

1319
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's kind of one of my takeaways from

1320
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Speaker 3: putting all this together and great and almost sixty guys

1321
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 3: in this class, I think there's there's some of those

1322
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 3: guys maybe more than given credit for.

1323
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 2: I know you mentioned a couple of names earlier. Who

1324
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 2: is who are some of those guys on day three

1325
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Speaker 2: that you think could kind of come in and start

1326
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:43,919
Speaker 2: pretty soon.

1327
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Speaker 3: I mean that with the potential to start, you know,

1328
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Speaker 3: I there's a there's a guy named Anthony Bradford. I

1329
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 3: just talked about him in depth on my podcast with

1330
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 3: Duke and Lance lsu guard young inexperienced, has a lot

1331
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 3: to clean up up in pass protection, I think before

1332
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 3: he could start. But you know six three, three thirty five,

1333
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 3: uh in the linear plane, which you know, straight straightforward,

1334
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 3: straight backward, anchoring, you know, delivering force, creating displacement, this

1335
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,959
Speaker 3: dude is is a monster. His tape against Jalen Carter,

1336
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 3: I think speaks volumes. Uh. He's a guy I would

1337
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,959
Speaker 3: love to get on day three because especially if you're

1338
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 3: if you're running, if you're a true multiple scheme and

1339
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 3: not like you know, one of the more zone oriented

1340
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 3: places and you you want to like go down him

1341
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 3: on guys you know run a lot of inside zone

1342
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 3: power counter things like that. I think he has probably

1343
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 3: a pathway to start within the next couple of years.

1344
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 3: He would be one I would really like. I mentioned

1345
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 3: to Seeing Richards. I think he's kind of a similar guy. Uh.

1346
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 3: I think Alex Foresight has a shot as well at

1347
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 3: Oregon Center. Uh. He has some injury stuff though he

1348
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 3: might not even get dried, but he's a good player.

1349
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 3: CD so from Eastern Michigan. That's that's kind of a

1350
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 3: random name. But I really liked his run blocking as well.

1351
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 2: Uh.

1352
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 3: He again has a lot of work to do in

1353
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 3: pass protection, but he's big, strong, six five three thirty

1354
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 3: long arms tested well like Bradford and he wins. He

1355
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 3: could win right now as a run blocker, it's just

1356
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 3: pass protection he needs. He needs some work. So that's

1357
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 3: another one. I think Jew Shrugs Jew Strugs from Penn

1358
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 3: State has a shot. He doesn't stick on blocks very well.

1359
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 3: But he's strong, you know, he played played a lot

1360
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 3: of football guard center versatility. I see him as a backup.

1361
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 3: But that's another guy going down this list. There's a

1362
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 3: there's a guy from Oregon that I wound up liking

1363
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 3: quite a bit. I gave him a six round grade.

1364
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 3: But I could see him, you know, in three four

1365
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 3: years potentially being a quality backup who could play. His

1366
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 3: name sala omave lal Well dog played right tackle for Oregon. Uh,

1367
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 3: probably play guard at the next level six six, three

1368
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 3: twenty and he moves really well. He's featured in their

1369
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 3: run game Fun to Watch naturally a really powerful guy. Uh,

1370
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Speaker 3: he's a potential guy. And I mean I could go on.

1371
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 3: There's more, like when you're talking sixth seventh round, there's

1372
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 3: guys that just show one or two things on tape

1373
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 3: that you really like that you're like, okay, I can

1374
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 3: at least work off of that.

1375
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Speaker 2: You're hunting traits, right.

1376
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're hunting traits and skill, you know, I

1377
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 3: think as well, not just traits. But if a guy

1378
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 3: does one thing really well, you know, and then he

1379
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 3: has some traits to back it up. Yeah, that's what

1380
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 3: you're looking for. So there's several of those guys man

1381
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 3: late in the draft that I you know, they're probably

1382
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 3: only going to be backups, but man, everybody needs a

1383
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 3: quality backup on the offensive line. So these guys have value.

1384
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: You know.

1385
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 2: Damn right, Brandon, good stuff. Tell the folks within to

1386
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 2: find all your great work.

1387
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so trench Warfare dot Substack dot com is where

1388
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 3: I primarily do most of my stuff. And then if

1389
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 3: you want to read all my scouting reports, I think

1390
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 3: I have over fifty of them this year, and then

1391
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 3: the last two classes, every offensive lineman drafted bleacher report.

1392
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, those are the main main spots.

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Speaker 2: Brandon, appreciate the time, my friend, talk to you soon

1394
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 2: enjoyed the draft. We're here all right man. Thanks Brandon

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01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 2: Thorn showing a hara on this episode of The Giants

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