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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Unplugged.

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Speaker 2: I felt this conversation was so important to have that

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Speaker 2: we're not even really going to talk about football this

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Speaker 2: week and about my Niners getting their ass kicks, So

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Speaker 2: you guys cannot say nothing because we're going to do

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Speaker 2: something else this week.

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Speaker 1: But all jokes aside.

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Speaker 2: Something you guys know if you follow this show, I've

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Speaker 2: been very adamant about, and it's the NC Double A

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Speaker 2: and the wild wild West in which these student athletes

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Speaker 2: so called are running in.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've pointed.

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Speaker 2: Out a lot of the issues with it, but today

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Speaker 2: I brought a panel of experts so to speak, in

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Speaker 2: the space and we're going to talk a little bit

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Speaker 2: about obviously the issues, but also what are some resolutions,

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Speaker 2: what are some ideas, what are something that the NC

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Speaker 2: Double A. Because we know they're probably going to see this,

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Speaker 2: you know, can can take from this and what you

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Speaker 2: guys can take from this as fans. So I want

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Speaker 2: to start off before I introduce my guests, I want

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Speaker 2: to start off with this edit of coach cal and

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Speaker 2: Tom Izzo and their thoughts on kind of what the

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Speaker 2: NCAA is in Stansville right now.

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Speaker 3: Take a look, well, look, I don't blame coaches. You know,

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Speaker 3: I've got friends that are playing with twenty seven year

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Speaker 3: olds and they feel bad. I said, don't feel bad.

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Speaker 3: We don't have any rules. Why should you feel bad?

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Speaker 3: But let me give you this real simple. The rules

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Speaker 3: bes the rules.

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Speaker 4: So if you.

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Speaker 3: Put your name in the draft, I don't care if

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Speaker 3: you're from Russia and you stay in the draft, you

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Speaker 3: can't play college basketball. Well, that's only for American kids.

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Speaker 3: What does anybody care what this is doing for seventeen

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Speaker 3: and eighteen year old American kids? Do you know what

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Speaker 3: this opportunity has done for them and their families? There

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Speaker 3: aren't going to be any high school kids who other

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Speaker 3: than dumb people like me are going to recruit high

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Speaker 3: school kids. What's the percentage of kids that make the NBA?

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Speaker 3: Unless you play for me, what would be the percentage? Like,

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Speaker 3: it's like one percent or less. With killer, that means

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Speaker 3: ninety nine percent of the college players that are getting money,

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Speaker 3: it's fool gayzy foo gayzy.

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Speaker 1: Because mob talk.

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Speaker 3: They're getting four hundred, five hundred eight hundred a million

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Speaker 3: and they're not pros. So now they have to go

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Speaker 3: get a job after four stops, no college degree, no

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Speaker 3: loyalty from the state or the program or anybody. You

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Speaker 3: were a mercenary. Okay, now you've got to go get

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Speaker 3: a job. I don't care what a kid makes, it doesn't,

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Speaker 3: but I do care what we're doing to young people.

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Speaker 5: Do Shame on the NCAA, you know, shame on the

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Speaker 5: coaches too, But shame on the NCAA because coaches are

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Speaker 5: going to do what they gotta do, I guess. But

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Speaker 5: the NCAA is the one, those people on those committees

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Speaker 5: that are making those decisions to allow something so ridiculous

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Speaker 5: and not think of the kid. So everybody talks about

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Speaker 5: me thinking of my programer selfish, No, get that straight.

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Speaker 5: For all of you, I'm thinking of what is best

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Speaker 5: for my son if he was in that position.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'd like to welcome to the show analysts and experts.

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Speaker 2: These guys' resumes are endless, but two guys I enjoy

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Speaker 2: listening to Jay Billis and Seth Greenberg Fellas. Thank you

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Speaker 2: guys for joining us today. So on the heels of

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Speaker 2: hearing Coach cal and Coach Izzo, my perspective is kind

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Speaker 2: of too pronged. First and foremost, I've built a platform

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Speaker 2: to be able to be a concerned dad at this point.

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Speaker 2: I'm someone who did at the highest level for a

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Speaker 2: seventeen years old, and then I also have two other

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Speaker 2: in which both these guys coach cal and coach Izzo.

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Speaker 2: From a dad's perspective, how many opportunities are we taking

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Speaker 2: away from these seventeen and eighteen year old late teenans

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Speaker 2: honing their skills someone like me, I was a four

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Speaker 2: Now we have grown ass men with mortgages and kids

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Speaker 2: year old guys. And again, at no fault do I

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Speaker 2: fault the players because there are the rules allow this,

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Speaker 2: and no do I do. I not fault the coaches

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Speaker 2: as well, because the job is to win. But if

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Speaker 2: we're talking about kids trying to hone their skills and

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Speaker 2: And then, also, as a former player, someone who got

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Speaker 1: Lost to Jay Wills.

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Speaker 2: I think two team or one team that won the

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Speaker 2: a lot of talking. I brought you on, so you

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Speaker 2: to start? But where I think we start with the

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Speaker 2: grassroots and what do you guys feel like grassroots American

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Speaker 4: Is well, I mean I could start. I think there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of it. I would say too much of

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Speaker 4: it is about money. In too many areas, all you

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Speaker 4: have to do to be a coach is by a whistle.

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Speaker 4: And do I think that's the right way. No, But

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Speaker 4: we've complained about this kind of stuff for a long

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Speaker 4: long time now. And look, I went through it with

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Speaker 4: my son. I coaches AU team. I didn't really care

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Speaker 4: for the scene, but at the same time I tried

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Speaker 4: and so you try to do the best you can

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Speaker 4: in your backyard. What I would say, Matt is, to me,

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Speaker 4: there's a difference between grassroots in high school and what

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Speaker 4: goes on in college because when you played and when

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Speaker 4: before you than most, but it was pro basketball back then.

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Speaker 4: There was just an illegal restriction on our wages and

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Speaker 4: what we could accept. The television contracts were the same

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Speaker 4: and the money is the same now. So I mean,

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Speaker 4: the NCAA has never really admitted what it was doing.

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Speaker 4: It tried to say, well, we're about this when they

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Speaker 4: were really about professional sports that was illegal, illegally restricting

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Speaker 4: the athletes. But I don't think we can run these

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Speaker 4: think it's it's more individual Like you played. That sound

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Speaker 4: from cal and Iszo two of the best people in sports.

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Speaker 4: And while I share some of their sentiments, truth is

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Speaker 4: they don't know the rules. They're complaining about the rules,

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Speaker 4: and they don't know them. There's never been an age

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Speaker 4: And while we love to talk about percentages that go

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Speaker 4: And my thing is, if you don't want a player

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Speaker 4: like Baylor has in James Naji, who went through the

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Speaker 4: draft process, never signed an NBA contract, never played an

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Speaker 6: I agree with a lot of what you said, Jay,

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Speaker 6: but I also disagree and one thing, and it's not

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Speaker 6: a big thing. But in terms of the rules, the

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Speaker 6: rules have not changed in terms of how the culture

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Speaker 6: college basketball has evolved. If rules haven't changed in America

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Speaker 6: compared to overseas, because to me, professional basketball or college

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Speaker 6: what's your club team? The players overseas grow up your

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Speaker 6: club teams. You know, Matt, you talked about player development

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Speaker 6: and grassroots basketball, the club organizations overseas. The one thing

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Speaker 6: about it is the coaches are certified, the club organizations overseas,

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Speaker 6: there is an incredible amount of discipline teaching the House

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Speaker 6: They're playing a lot of these young players, talented players

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Speaker 6: are playing with the senior team or the professional team,

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Speaker 6: and therefore they're being held accountable just like the professional

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Speaker 6: players are being held accountable. Where in our system right now,

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Speaker 6: all right, grassroots basketball, You're only as good as the

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Speaker 6: organization are involved with. They're good and bad and everything

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Speaker 6: in life. There are programs that care about player development.

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Speaker 6: They are co programs that care about character development. They're

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Speaker 6: programs that are teaching kids how to plague. You get

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Speaker 6: But some of those.

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Speaker 7: Kids are practicing twice a day.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's a twenty four hour hour, seven day

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Speaker 6: But those youth programs were basically our prep schools on steroids,

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Speaker 7: One he was a pro and he.

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Speaker 6: Signed multiple contracts, he was drafted, but because he did

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Speaker 7: Changed with the culture of what's happened in the sport.

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Speaker 6: So I think we've got to We've got to figure

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Speaker 6: out a way to just besides USA Basketball, find better academies.

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Speaker 7: For these young players to be developed.

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Speaker 6: And then in terms of the rules, I think we

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Speaker 6: these European players have been pros for years and years

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Speaker 6: So we've got to find a way to kind of

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Speaker 2: Jay, I want to push back a little bit on

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Speaker 2: the nausea situation at Baylor, but I want to start

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Speaker 2: with the grass roots and Seth I completely agree. Just

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Speaker 2: the structure, the care, the time that goes into overseas

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Speaker 2: they say, you know, those guys practice possibly twice a day.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure about the younger, but the other teams

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Speaker 2: practice twice a day. Younger kids will practice the entire

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Speaker 2: to play a weekend or sometimes four or five.

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Speaker 1: I've seen six games before.

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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable and gone are the days that coaches had power.

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Speaker 2: And I say that from high school, hete you college

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Speaker 2: and even the pros now like this is players in

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Speaker 2: obviously big money in the NBA players do not have

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Speaker 2: stand on. You have an opportunity to at the grassroots

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Speaker 6: That you know, Jay, I agree to some extent, but

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Speaker 7: But I think outside of that.

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Speaker 7: And that's where you kind of learn.

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Speaker 6: And the other thing is what's bothered me is you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, make more money. You make the money for college.

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Speaker 6: G League's done, man, G league's done. Yeah, you make

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Speaker 7: It isn't that.

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Speaker 6: It isn't because they want to go get education. It

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Speaker 6: It's it's they want to improve their station in life,

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Speaker 7: The thing I'm having the.

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Speaker 6: I got no You know, Seth, you're clueless, You're living

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Speaker 7: But I do it.

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Speaker 6: These these recruitments are transactional. Education is not being talked about.

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Speaker 6: Progress is not being talked about. What your major is

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, we have our general managers speak to

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Speaker 6: It's something We've got to find a way to put

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Speaker 7: Do you.

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Speaker 1: I really thinks be some.

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Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, like you said,

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Speaker 2: So if there's a way for enough of us dads

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Speaker 2: of what AAU looks like. Jumping ahead to college, Jay,

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Speaker 2: you make that jump and go pro, there's no way

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Speaker 2: you should be able to be coming back. And then

439
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 2: also I think another point you touched on, Jay is

440
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 2: the age difference. And although a majority of the kids

441
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Speaker 2: are the right age, is if you're looking at these teams,

442
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 2: that are some of these teams that are advancing in

443
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 2: the tournament there are on the older side, and I

444
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 2: can only imagine as a twenty five, twenty six, twenty

445
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 2: seven year old, there's not a thing the most talented

446
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 2: seventeen year old can do unless you're a Kobe, because

447
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 2: I know I'm gonna bully the shit out of you

448
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 2: the strength there, I've got nine years on you. There's

449
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 2: just such a different friends on playing when because you're

450
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 2: still developing so much at that seventeen eighteen. Right when

451
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 2: you get into college nineteen twenty, you know, our advice

452
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 2: continue to develop until we're like twenty six, twenty seven, twenty.

453
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Speaker 1: Eight, so there's nothing you can really do.

454
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: So to me, that's why I say I feel like,

455
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: and although to your point, there there's never been a

456
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 2: ceiling on it, to me, what is And I want

457
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 2: to get your guys' thoughts a twenty three twenty four

458
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 2: some kind of cap on how old you can be

459
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 2: in college sports, because I feel I understand injuries happen,

460
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 2: and I'm not shaking that away because that is a

461
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 2: part of the game. But I feel like, if you're

462
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: six years removed from high school and you haven't figured

463
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 2: it out yet, I think it's time for you to

464
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 2: get out of the way. From a standpoint of you

465
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 2: go ahead and get your education to cesspoint, because we

466
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 2: want you to go out here and be successful and

467
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 2: not have mental health issues because you've been handed everything

468
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 2: for so long. But you're completely clogging up the pipeline

469
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 2: for these kids that maybe need two or three years

470
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 2: to develop and get an opportunity. But no major pro

471
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 2: going to take a chance because if I'm a coach,

472
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to take an older player more experience as well.

473
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 4: I think you are going to take an older player,

474
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 4: And I think we're seeing that not across the board,

475
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,959
Speaker 4: but more often than not, coaches are looking at if

476
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 4: I'm only going to have a player for two years,

477
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 4: I'd rather have a guy who's got two years of

478
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 4: eligibility that's older, rather than a really good player that

479
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 4: may come out of high school and stay here a

480
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 4: year or two, either go to the NBA or transfer.

481
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 4: I understand the business realities of that. I'm not saying

482
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 4: it's ideal, But at the same time, how many players

483
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 4: in this category are what are we really talking about?

484
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 4: It's really not that many. And I go back to

485
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 4: there's never been an age limit. There's a fifty year

486
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 4: old guy playing college football right now. And you know

487
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 4: when Matt, when you were playing UCLA probably ran across

488
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 4: BYU every now and again when you played, and they

489
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 4: had players that were twenty four twenty five because they

490
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 4: went on an LDS mission either out of high school

491
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 4: or when they were in college. You had players that

492
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 4: had served in the military and then decided they wanted

493
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 4: to go to college and play. So we've always had

494
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 4: this from time to time. What's different now is you know,

495
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 4: you see James Naji or there's a kid at Louisville

496
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 4: that had signed a G League contract, but to the

497
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 4: NCAA looks upon that as depending on whether you actually

498
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 4: signed an NBA deal and how much money you made.

499
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,959
Speaker 4: If the money you made was equivalent to your expenses,

500
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 4: similar to what they used for a European pro, because

501
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 4: that's the measure for a European pro, then the rules

502
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 4: say that these guys can play. And what I hear

503
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 4: and I get the point about, hey, what would be

504
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 4: best for you know, the overall for mental health and

505
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 4: everybody's best interest and all that's all great. I don't

506
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 4: differ with you guys at all on that. But what

507
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 4: I hear from guys like Cal and Izzo is, look,

508
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 4: we're not taking these guys. We don't want to play

509
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 4: against them. And this sounds really similar to the one

510
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 4: and done debate we had fifteen to twenty years years ago,

511
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 4: when like Cal got criticized relentlessly for taking one and dones.

512
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 4: You don't care about education, They're only they're rentals, they're mercenaries,

513
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 4: they're only going to be there for a year. And

514
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 4: he didn't listen to that crap, and then Coach k

515
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 4: started doing it. Coach Kate didn't like it at first either,

516
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 4: and then realized, look, a lot of these guys want

517
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 4: to come to Duke and if they if we don't

518
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 4: take them, we got to play against them, so why

519
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 4: not take them? And it worked out fine for both

520
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 4: and Izzo's had someone and Don's not as many, but

521
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 4: you know, it's the same discussion. And going back I'm

522
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 4: sorry to ramble, but going back on what we had

523
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 4: talked about with grassroots, you know, the kids don't go

524
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 4: to the playgrounds anymore. When I was in high school,

525
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 4: my coach and his coaching buddies all complained that all

526
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 4: we did was play pick up ball, and we never

527
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 4: we were never working on our games in the gym, right,

528
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 4: we were never working well.

529
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: We didn't train not to not to cut you off.

530
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 2: We went first of all, we went from sports to

531
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: sport to sport. Really were you just a single sport athlete?

532
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: But we're playing pick up basketball at the park. We're

533
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: finding a beat up gym to play in. Like and again,

534
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 2: I have kids who are seventeen. Now, never do they

535
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 2: go to the park and play. I have to arrange

536
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: the gym and call all the kids and get on

537
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: the horn with my kids. So that was something instinctually

538
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: that we rode our bike or walked to or took

539
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: the bus to get to. These goddamn kids just have

540
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: it too good. But go go ahead, Well.

541
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Speaker 4: I mean, I guess say it.

542
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 7: Guess.

543
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 4: My point, Matten is, there's never been a time in

544
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 4: basketball where those in charge haven't been complaining about it

545
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 4: being fucked up. Like there's never been a time it

546
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 4: was fucked up. When I was in school, the coaches

547
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 4: would say the high school coaches are too powerful. The

548
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 4: high school coaches are too powerful. Then the AAU coach

549
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 4: became too powerful. We got to get the high school

550
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 4: coach back in and they played way too much pickup ball.

551
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 4: They need to play more games, they need to do this,

552
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 4: they need to do that, And you know, look, I

553
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 4: get it. I'm not happy with everything that goes on basketball.

554
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 4: I'm certainly not happy with everything that goes on in college.

555
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 4: But what I will tell you is I would rather

556
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 4: have these young people have choice than be restricted. And

557
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 4: I don't believe for one second the complaint that there's

558
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 4: no loyalty anymore, Like was it loyalty when we couldn't move?

559
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 3: Like?

560
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 4: How did loyalty just all of a sudden disappear once

561
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 4: there was choice? You know, the players have choice now,

562
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 4: and we want to say that players were more loyal

563
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 4: when we were all in school. Were we loyal or

564
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 4: did we not have a choice? And I think it's

565
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 4: the latter. We didn't have a choice, and you know,

566
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 4: there weren't as many one and done's. You know, we

567
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 4: had to stay. Like when I was in school, Johnny

568
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 4: Dawkins didn't go pro early. There wasn't enough money, There

569
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 4: was no reason to do it then. And he may

570
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 4: differ with this, but I think if Johnny Dawkins were

571
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 4: playing college basketball now, he'd be out after his freshman

572
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 4: or sophomore year because he wouldn't be able to turn

573
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 4: down that kind not kind of pay day. It would

574
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 4: be irresponsible not to.

575
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: And it was an older game back then, Jay, you know,

576
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: we were coming into the game where there were grown men.

577
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: These guys were in their thirties, grown men. So it

578
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: was just like it was, it was different. The league's so.

579
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: Young now that I feel like the switch Seth thoughts.

580
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, let me let me ask ask, yes, like, here's

581
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 6: the deal, and I think it's kind of it makes sense.

582
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 7: College basketball is professional basketball.

583
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 4: Correct always? All right?

584
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 6: All right, So professional basketball, you have contracts. You can't

585
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 6: basically change teams year to year to year to year,

586
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 6: all right. There are rules and regulations and guidelines, and

587
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 6: we have none of that. So until we get guidelines,

588
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 6: all right, there's no professional organization in athletic organization, NFL, NBA,

589
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 6: major League baseball, pro soccer, you name it, full across

590
00:29:59,320 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 6: that doesn't have.

591
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 7: Year to year, that has year to year free agency.

592
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 6: Right because those type of enterprises cannot function with year

593
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 6: to year free agency. But yet college that's what we have.

594
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 6: So until we find a way to either one time

595
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 6: transfer a five year limit, find something contracts where there's

596
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 6: a buyout, like you know, I know, Jay, you always

597
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 6: talk about what the coaches can leave you we can lead,

598
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 6: And I spent about a half million dollars buying out

599
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 6: of my contracts the two times I left. All right, Right,

600
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 6: there's got to be an accountability and both sides have

601
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 6: to have skin in the game, because right now the

602
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 6: schools have skin in the game, the player doesn't have any.

603
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 6: This schools negotiate these these NIL pay for play deals.

604
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 7: It's not a n I L.

605
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 6: Let's stop bullshitting going in NIL. It's not an IL.

606
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 6: Very few people have n I L. Maybe you get

607
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 6: a little side deals, but the big deals are for

608
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 6: the group of flags and those type of players.

609
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 7: Until we figure that out, well we have a problem.

610
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 4: I agree with you. They're enjoying this chaos in a way. Like,

611
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 4: first of all, not one game has been canceled, not

612
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 4: one roster hasn't been filled year to year, and ratings

613
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 4: are higher and they've ever been. They're making money hand

614
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 4: over fists, and that's great. I don't have a problem

615
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 4: with it. Like Football's more popular has ever been basketball?

616
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 4: Our basketball ratings are higher and they've ever been. And

617
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 4: what I think is going on is look, the nc

618
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 4: double A and the member institutions. They are deathly afraid

619
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 4: of the players becoming employees of the university. They don't

620
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 4: want that. And what they're hoping for is that it

621
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 4: is going to appear chaotic while the train keeps rolling

622
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 4: to the bank, and Congress is going to come in

623
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 4: and give them an antitrust exemption. I don't think that's

624
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 4: going to happen. But what could happen. It's like if

625
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 4: Congress really wants to get involved and provide federal assistance.

626
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 4: Here what I think Congress could do, and it would

627
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 4: be very effective, is Congress could come in and say,

628
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: all right, college athletes are now exempt from the Fair

629
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 4: Labor Standards Act and from the National Labor Relations Act.

630
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 4: They can be independent contractors and sign contracts with their schools,

631
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 4: multi year contracts. And the Congress could provide a pathway

632
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 4: and a mechanism for the NCAA to bargain collectively with

633
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 4: the players, and the players could bargain for their fair

634
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 4: market value under an umbrella like the NBA or the NFL.

635
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 4: Does that provides a rule structure, But I'll give you

636
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 4: I'll give you an example set to't.

637
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 7: I got a question.

638
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 4: I think it could happen with congressional authority because that

639
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 4: would require federal law that would exempt athletes and the

640
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 4: schools from federal laws that might be impediments right now.

641
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 4: But your point about coaches and buyouts is a good one,

642
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 4: all right. You know, right now Duke is soon doing

643
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 4: their quarterback over backing out of an NIL deal and

644
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 4: trying to transfer to another school. I think that's a

645
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 4: good thing. I think schools should enforce their contracts, and

646
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 4: I think players that sign contracts should insist on their

647
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 4: contracts being performed by the school. But they should have

648
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 4: to perform too their adults. But your point about one

649
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 4: thing I've always found contradictory, and this is not on

650
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 4: you or any other coach, it's the schools. Every year

651
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 4: we go through this member institutions will will fire their

652
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 4: coach and they go out and they hire somebody else's

653
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 4: coaches under contract. That would never happen in the NBA

654
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 4: or the NFL. That would never be allowed. And that's

655
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 4: something the NCAA could do something about. But the presidents

656
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 4: don't want to, Like they want to be able to

657
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 4: choose when their coach, when they decide to fire their coach.

658
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 4: They want to go out and get whomever they want,

659
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 4: and if they disrupt somebody else's another member institution, school,

660
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 4: they're fine with that. And it's there, as you know,

661
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 4: there's a dominant effect to all that. So I get

662
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 4: really tired of administrators with the NCAA and the schools

663
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 4: shaking their finger at everybody talking about integrity all the

664
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 4: time when they don't show any like you want to

665
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 4: use the word integrity. Start showing some And the last

666
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 4: ones that need to be limited, in my view, are

667
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 4: the players. Like the players have been limited enough, they

668
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 4: need like not one person I've heard in any of

669
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 4: these debates have said, you know what, we need a

670
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 4: salary restriction for coaches. You know that's that's too much

671
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 4: money for somebody who's interested in education to be making

672
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 4: coaching a game. If they're interested in education, they should

673
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 4: be taking less, and we need a restriction across the

674
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 4: board on coaches. Not one person has said that it's

675
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 4: all about the players being limited, and I find that

676
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 4: really short sighted and almost defensive to the point of

677
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 4: being a moral.

678
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 6: The market value for the players right now is being

679
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 6: driven by the quote unquote agents that aren't agents that

680
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 6: are basically the old runners that are.

681
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 7: Before you get to that, you know you're talking.

682
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 4: The market is being driven by what the schools are

683
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 4: willing to pay to get the players. Whomever is asking,

684
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 4: whether it's an agent you don't like or a parent

685
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 4: you don't like, nobody's forcing the schools to pay for

686
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 4: players they think are good enough.

687
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 7: But those contracts aren't.

688
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 6: I agree with you, one hundred percent agree with you,

689
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 6: except that you don't know these people that you're dealing with,

690
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 6: all right. They're not showing you a contract saying that

691
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 6: this person's been offered this because these agents are not

692
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 6: certified and therefore there are no rules. And you know, look,

693
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 6: I don't know law, but in the NBA, you you

694
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 6: have a tender. You have an offer right that that

695
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 6: everyone can see. I'm off of Matt Barnes' X amount

696
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 6: of money. Now I can match that, or I can

697
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 6: let mac Barnes go in college. The guys that are

698
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 6: representing these kids, right, there's no tendered offer. It's pretty

699
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 6: much you know, word of mouth and how they're benipulating

700
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 6: the market at least how they have to manipulating the

701
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 6: market from the.

702
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 4: People that says, all right, anytime you make an offer,

703
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 4: you have to put it on They got a portal,

704
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 4: put your offers up on some website where everybody consume

705
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 4: and they know what the offers are. Right well, you

706
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 4: know like yeah to me, that would be great.

707
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, well that well that let's have the fix it

708
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 6: now to collective bargaining part of it. If college athletics

709
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 6: are going to be collectively bargained and Jay you know

710
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 6: this better not is basketball.

711
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 7: Have its own collective bargaining? Does football have its own

712
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 7: collective bargaining? This?

713
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 6: Tennis and gymnastics? Are they being collectively bargained across the

714
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 6: board male female sports across Because if you do that,

715
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 6: I'm not sure that a lot of those sports are

716
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 6: going to survive because it just it would be impossible

717
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 6: to collectively bargain across the board of all those different sports.

718
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 6: And and again I'm asking, because you know the legalities,

719
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 6: the power fives.

720
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 7: Are gonna be able to survive.

721
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 6: What's gonna happen to the Atlantic ten the Mountain West,

722
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 6: the Northeastern Conference whatever? And that's why I think eventually, Matt,

723
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 6: I think the college athletics and so you don't think

724
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 6: tournament should remain a say except the Power fives are

725
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 6: gonna break away, and they're gonna get a certain number

726
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 6: of bids. Because there are sixteen and eighteen team leagues,

727
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 6: all those one big leagues, they can decide how they

728
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 6: want to conduct their business, no different Like Zaggi Conductor's

729
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 6: business is a high major.

730
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 7: They'll continue to conduct their business like that.

731
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 6: But the first eight games or first four there'd be

732
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 6: four regions and they'll be sixteen or whatever. How many

733
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 6: other teams we're gonna we're gonna have in the in

734
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 6: the tournament and all those one bids they're gonna play.

735
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 6: They're gonna play the first round of the tournament, and

736
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 6: they're gonna play the way into the main tournament with

737
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 6: the power fives. Because the Power fives have nothing in

738
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 6: common with what's going on below them.

739
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 7: It just doesn't.

740
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 6: And like when people say, well, you know the great

741
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 6: thing about pay for play is that everyone it levels

742
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 6: the playing field.

743
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 7: It doesn't. It levels the plainfield and the high majors.

744
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 6: It enables Texas Tech to be competitive and win a

745
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 6: national championship, enables b YU to go get aj Debonza,

746
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 6: and it ended up enables in Indiana to go and

747
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 6: recruit the numbers of good players that they need to

748
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 6: win a national championship. But it doesn't enable a mid

749
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 6: major to go and beat Duke for a player, or

750
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 6: or or just to get an example, Presbyterian to go

751
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 6: and beat you know, an ACC team for a player.

752
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 7: It just doesn't.

753
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 6: It doesn't work for Power fives. No, I agree, No,

754
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 6: I know that's what I'm saying. But I'm not saying

755
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 6: it doesn't level the play. Where it's leveled, the playing

756
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 6: field is at the very top. It's giving more schools

757
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 6: and opportunities. Say X, Y and Z, I'm Texas Tech.

758
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 6: I'm going out and I'm gonna buy those dudes. And

759
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 6: you know what the other people in the Big twelve is.

760
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 4: Like, why is he buying you know, sportling with with

761
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 4: anything here, but why is it buying a player? And

762
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 4: we don't talk about buying anything else like, you know,

763
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 4: because the same thing has always gone on.

764
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 7: With coaches, talk about buying coaches.

765
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 4: You know, an aspiring coach that has worked his way

766
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 4: worked his way up, goes to Central Michigan and they

767
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 4: do well and they win their league, and then Michigan

768
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 4: fires as coach and hires a Central Michigan coach. We

769
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 4: don't go, Hey, Michigan just went out and bought that

770
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 4: guy off of a mid major program. We don't do that.

771
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 4: And the portal as well, but.

772
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 7: I want to.

773
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 4: That's capitalism and working your way up and paying your

774
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 4: dues and all that. And yet when we have a

775
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 4: player who's under recruited out of high school, the player

776
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 4: winds up going to a mid major school then kills

777
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 4: it like like Dalton Connect, Like you know, hands up

778
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 4: all those that had heard of Dalton Connect before he

779
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 4: went to Northern Colorado. I didn't. I saw him play

780
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 4: twice because I was watching for the NBA Draft. I

781
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 4: was watching guys he was playing against. That's the only

782
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 4: reason I even knew his name. And he winds up

783
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 4: going to Tennessee. He transfers up, goes to Tennessee as

784
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 4: a first round draft pick. So in like for loyalty

785
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 4: and all these other reasons, he's required to stay at

786
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 4: Northern Colorado his whole career because that's where he was

787
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 4: recruited out of high school. And or I if we say, okay,

788
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 4: but we want the old rules, he can transfer, but

789
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 4: he's got to sit out a year. He's got to

790
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 4: give up a year of his life to get to

791
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 4: the level he's always dreamed of. When we don't do

792
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 4: that with coaches, assistant coaches, whatever, do.

793
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 7: You think a guy should have multiple years?

794
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 6: I mean, like, do you think that they can transfer

795
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 6: everything you think that's the best interest in the enterprise,

796
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 6: the player or anything.

797
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 7: Like to have just no.

798
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 6: Rules like they have right now, like we have now,

799
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 6: as opposed to if we're a professional sport, every other

800
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 6: sport professional sport has some type of stipulations on you know,

801
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 6: contracts and not because you know and not being free

802
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 6: agent under certain jurisdictions.

803
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: I think that's I think that's my question Seth and

804
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: Jay I wants you to take because you definitely open

805
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: my eyes from the standpoint of we've never hear coaches

806
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: need a cap or coaches shouldn't And and I'm a

807
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: former player and I'm always pro player, But I also

808
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: think at the same time and and and I want

809
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: to throw this to you guys, is there a situation

810
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: where one you have to honor your contract to a

811
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: free you know, one or two free jumps and then

812
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: you have to say, is there anything like that that

813
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 2: can slow down to what cess point? Because I don't

814
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: think going from team to team to team to team

815
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: is any good, especially when the odds are you're not

816
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: gonna make it. So what did you really just you

817
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 2: know what, I mean, what what? And again again, ninety

818
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: nine percent of these kids don't you know, don't go

819
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: pro Like I just think there should be some sort

820
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: of consequences or understanding with with what your commitment is.

821
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: But again I like what you said too, Jay. I

822
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: like a kids such as Dalton connective has been able

823
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: to work and grind his way to the top. Do

824
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 2: we have adult connect if if we set these kind

825
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: of limits. So that's what I want to throw back

826
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: to you, guys. Should there be any kind of sit

827
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: out six months payback money? You can only you know,

828
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 2: transfer once and then after that you have to sit out,

829
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: you know, have to see should there be any of

830
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: that kind of regulation? And on top of that age

831
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: age limit, should we have any of that on college?

832
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: And I think Seth, you're saying yes, And Jay, I'm

833
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: not so sure what you're going to say on this.

834
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 4: If you want to if you want to have it,

835
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 4: let's bargain for it. Like I don't, I don't have

836
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 4: a problem with any of this stuff.

837
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 8: Like do.

838
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit odd when you have

839
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 4: a player who's twenty six, twenty seven years old playing

840
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 4: in college. I don't think it's anything to get my

841
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 4: andies in a bunch over. I'm not worried about your

842
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 4: enterprise because James Najih came back to college and look

843
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 4: like James Naji's averaging about four or five points a game,

844
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 4: and I'm not sure Baylor went game since he's been there,

845
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 4: might have won one, but he's not a difference maker.

846
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 4: He's my understanding is a great young man and all that,

847
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 4: But what are we really worried about here? We're worried

848
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 4: that the G League is going to empty out and

849
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 4: all of a sudden they're going to take over college sports.

850
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 4: I don't think that's going to be a major problem.

851
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 4: And the other thing that I think is of interest is,

852
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 4: you know, when One and Done was happening, we complained

853
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 4: about the educational aspect of it. So right now, because

854
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 4: of NIL and because of what's currently, players are being

855
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 4: allowed to be compensated, not to their full value yet,

856
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 4: but at least they're compensated. We've got players staying longer

857
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 4: in school and isn't that kind of a good thing

858
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 4: that they're staying longer in school and they're at an

859
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 4: institution of higher learning. Most of them are graduating. We

860
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 4: can quibble about it. Are they taken the right courses

861
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 4: and are they graduating in something that's of value? But

862
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 4: to me, that's up to each school to decide. You know,

863
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 4: they have to decide what their standards are for their

864
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 4: athletes and whether graduations to be a part of it.

865
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 4: And they're going to insist on this. To your question, Matt,

866
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 4: about about you know, like contracts and all that. Schools

867
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 4: can sign players to contracts right now, they just can't

868
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 4: make them employees. The NC DOUBLEA won't allow that. And

869
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 4: what I think the NCAA should do is allow your

870
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 4: institutions to do whatever they want. You want to make

871
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 4: an employee, you want to sign them to a multi year deal,

872
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 4: put buyouts in it, all that stuff. I think any

873
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 4: restriction we have on an athlete, just like any restriction

874
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 4: you would put on a coach or an administrator, needs

875
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 4: to be bargained for. And a blanket restriction on players

876
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 4: only because they're they're In the history of the NC DOUBLEA,

877
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 4: the only restrictions that have ever been meeted out have

878
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 4: been on players. There like, there have never been restrictions

879
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 4: on coaches administrators. They can go come and go as

880
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 4: they please and as their contracts saying and one last thing, like,

881
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 4: does anybody find it interesting And I'm not trying to

882
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 4: cast dispersions, but interesting that Lane Kiffen leaves a team

883
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 4: that is going to the college football Playoff to go

884
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 4: to another member institution. So the member, the LSU, offers

885
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 4: him a contract while he's under contract at oh Miss,

886
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 4: essentially take puts him to a decision to leave a

887
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 4: team in the college football playoff. And not one coach

888
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 4: and not one administrator came out publicly and said what

889
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 4: about loyalty? What about this? What about that? They didn't

890
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 4: say any of the crap they say about the players.

891
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 4: Everybody remained conspicuous. Maybe there were some here and there

892
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 4: that complained, mostly media. It was mostly media that complained.

893
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 4: You know, the sitting administrators and presidents and all that

894
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 4: didn't say a word because they feel like they're going

895
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 4: to be in that situation at some point and they

896
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 4: don't want to they don't want to lock themselves out

897
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 4: of doing what LSU did.

898
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 7: I thought I got tortured by the media.

899
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 4: Maybe I missed it.

900
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 6: Maybe no, No, I I think people took a chance

901
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 6: at Lane kiff In. A part of it was the portal,

902
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 6: the stupidity of opening up the portal during the college

903
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 6: football playoffs. You know, you had a school like All

904
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 6: miss that basically said we don't want him coaching our

905
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 6: players and try to recruit them right off our campus.

906
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 6: And you know that was a mutual decision. Do you

907
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 6: want to coach that team? Yes, taking a job and

908
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 6: opening up in terms of the job. Portals should not

909
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 6: be opened either, even though it's open twenty four to seven,

910
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 6: seven days a week, just like the player portal.

911
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 7: Let's face it.

912
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 6: I mean, guys are losing the NCAA tournament and entered

913
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 6: their name in the portal when they get on the

914
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 6: plane because they know their Asian sorority.

915
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 7: Guys are in the portal don't even know in they're portal.

916
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 6: But let's hit on a couple of things personally, I think,

917
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 6: and that's true. Five years you get one. You get

918
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 6: one opportunity free pass to transfer. You get five years

919
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 6: to play if you decide, you get one trans If

920
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 6: you do the second time, it's part of five years,

921
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 6: you're done.

922
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 7: That's just me. Number one. The mid majors have turned

923
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 7: into junior college.

924
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 6: They're two year schools basically for most of these kids,

925
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 6: that's what they are.

926
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 7: They've turned into Jude.

927
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 6: If I coached the mid may I have recruit j

928
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 6: Bills and I'd say, Jay, I'll tell you what we're

929
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 6: gonna bust our tank. We're going to make you the

930
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 6: best player you can, and you tell me where you

931
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 6: want to go, and we will pick up the phone

932
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 6: and help you get there.

933
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 7: They've heard it. They've turned into junior college.

934
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 6: And I've talked to a bunch of mid major coaches

935
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 6: today just because I'm doing some research on some teams.

936
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 6: And one guy said he's got six returning players. He thinks,

937
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 6: very very good team by the way teams can be

938
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 6: in the tournament, maybe win a game.

939
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 7: He thinks he'll be up to retain two of them,

940
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 7: he said.

941
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 6: All the rest of them he knows of being recruited

942
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 6: right off his roster right now, right off his roster

943
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 6: right now. So like the mid you know, and then

944
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 6: what's happened is it's it's and this is where your

945
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 6: kids are getting impacted. Matt is, So what happens the

946
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 6: MIDPA mid major coach gets pilfered by the high major coach.

947
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 6: So what does the mid major coach do. He's going

948
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 6: down to the low major coach because he wants to

949
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 6: get older, and he's going to go take the best

950
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 6: low major players.

951
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 7: And you went the lone bik major coach is doing.

952
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 6: He's going to grab a Division two kid because he

953
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 6: wants to get old and stay hold. And the kid

954
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 6: who's getting screwed as the high school kid. And so

955
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 6: I mean, like it's a problem, it really is.

956
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 7: So how do you fix it? You've got to find

957
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 7: some type of limitations.

958
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 6: We got Puff Johnson all right, who played seventeen years ago,

959
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 6: really only seven, all right, who just signed at Ohio

960
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 6: State to play basketball.

961
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 7: Because he found a judge.

962
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 6: In Ohio that basically gave him an alumnus who gave.

963
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 7: Him what do you call that? Jay an injunction we had.

964
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 6: I mean and look, I look the kid at Gonzaga,

965
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 6: Tyron grand Foster, and oh yeah, the terrible health issues.

966
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 6: But that's seven years. You got Chad Bake Massarra playing

967
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 6: eight years. We've got to find a way. Come on, man,

968
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 6: there's a point where enough's enough, Like like, if you

969
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 6: loved college that much, all right, then why did you

970
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 6: put your you decided to put your name in the draft.

971
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 6: If you loved the holiday, you want to know, it's

972
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 6: because the only reason it is, it's because it's it's

973
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 6: surely held playing on, flying on charter planes, staying in

974
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 6: Ritz Carlton's. You know, you know, getting paid the way

975
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 6: college guys to get paid right now is a whole

976
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 6: lot better than bands far free in the freaking G league.

977
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 6: I mean, like and you know, and taking bus trips

978
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 6: and eating you know, however they feed.

979
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: Them in the gym.

980
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 6: I don't know, Matt, you have to pay that lead.

981
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 6: But I can't imagine, all right, I can't imagine.

982
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 7: They get taken care of the way like the.

983
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 6: Guys at Duke in Carolina and and and everywhere else.

984
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 6: So I mean, we've got to have We've got to

985
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 6: have fine number of years or an age restriction. We

986
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 6: just have to do that. We're shooting ourselves in the

987
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 6: foot and we're not because we're taking care of the

988
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 6: top two percent and we're absolutely screwing the enterprise. That

989
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 6: that's me and that look, I might be Pollyanna and

990
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 6: my you know, that's just the way I feel, and

991
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 6: that I'm that I'm passionate about.

992
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 7: I think the other thing we got to get rid of.

993
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 6: We got to get rid of ilon classes, get rid

994
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 6: of online classes, at least to put a restriction so

995
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 6: these guys that do go to college can actually be

996
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 6: a normal student that at least have to be in

997
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 6: some classes and maybe have the interactions that you would have,

998
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 6: like you would say you had, you know, in college,

999
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 6: so that you meet people that you know are outside

1000
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 6: of your cocoon that maybe can build a bridge forew

1001
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 6: to cross, or relationships that you might have. Maybe that's

1002
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 6: too polyad and maybe that college experience doesn't exist anymore,

1003
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 6: but I think that these young people are missing that

1004
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 6: in terms of their own personal growth.

1005
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 4: I don't disagree with certainly the sentiment, But what I

1006
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 4: would ask is on what basis are these restrictions? On

1007
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 4: what principle are these restrictions based other than I don't

1008
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 4: like it, because what will.

1009
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, I grew up.

1010
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 4: The NCAA for a million years has said as a

1011
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 4: bedrock principle that athletes are students who just happen to

1012
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 4: be athletes, and they are students to be treated as

1013
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 4: any other student so by that standard, and they've had

1014
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 4: to argue this in court and it's really hurt them.

1015
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 4: What other student is told that they cannot leave and

1016
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 4: go to another school when they want and participate in

1017
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 4: whatever extracurricular activities that school is willing to have them in. So,

1018
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 4: if you like, we could take a student on a

1019
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 4: music scholarship at UCLA and say, hey, you know, only

1020
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 4: two percent of musicians ever make it to Carnegie Hall

1021
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 4: or ever cut a record, So you can't leave and

1022
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 4: go to another school because we're giving you a scholarship

1023
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 4: and you get treated better than most musicians who are

1024
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 4: playing in their local philharmonic, who are having to bust

1025
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 4: their ass every day for hardly any other pay. If

1026
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 4: we restricted them, the NCUB be in court the next

1027
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 4: day and would get their ass kicked. And that's why

1028
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 4: we're here now, is because the NCAA went to court

1029
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 4: on running a multi billion dollar business and restricting only

1030
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 4: one class of person, that being the athlete, and they

1031
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 4: got their ass kicked. And now they got to act

1032
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 4: like any other multi billion dollar business and have reasons

1033
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 4: for whatever rules they put in. And that's why I'm

1034
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 4: saying if Congress wants to get involved, which the NCAA

1035
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 4: clearly wants, otherwise they'd be taking act in themselves. If

1036
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 4: Congress wants to get involved, then do it around the

1037
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 4: margins and allow the players to sign contracts with their

1038
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 4: schools and allow collective bargaining where the athletes can get

1039
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 4: their fair market value with restrictions they agree to that

1040
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 4: make sense for the overall enterprise because you can't eliminate

1041
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 4: choice from this. And Seth like you've referred to professional basketball.

1042
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 4: Both of you have, and you're right. My argument is

1043
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 4: it's been professional since I was in school. This has

1044
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 4: been a multi billion dollar industry for a long long time.

1045
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 4: And if a school doesn't want online classes at your school,

1046
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 4: then don't have them. But if we're going to put

1047
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 4: in a restriction across the or that nobody can have

1048
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 4: online online education, then a bunch of schools are going

1049
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 4: with a minute, our regular student, our non athlete students

1050
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 4: take online courses. We're gonna eliminate all this. You know,

1051
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 4: we're complaining about a lot of things here, and I'm

1052
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 4: not sure all of them apply to the athletes.

1053
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you could put them at you but you

1054
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 6: can put it in a contract that a certain percentage

1055
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 6: of your classes have to be the.

1056
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 4: Other thing that individual, you know, like some schools you

1057
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 4: know that by necessity they have to have more online courses.

1058
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 4: That's all fine, Like I agree with you. Bargain with

1059
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 4: the player and sign them to whatever contract you want.

1060
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 4: You can even have a thing about g PA, like

1061
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 4: you can't play like we can terminate the contract if

1062
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 4: your grades aren't you a certain level, and then the

1063
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 4: player is gonna go, okay, I want kind of verification

1064
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 4: of my grades because if I start playing lousy, I

1065
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 4: don't want you flunking me out and all of a

1066
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 4: sudden I'm out of my contract. You know you will.

1067
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 6: Certainly, Yeah, it could be a behavior becauses like I

1068
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 6: always think the contracts should have an academic component in

1069
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 6: terms of academic progress, uh success, graduation, community service. So actually,

1070
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 6: if we're gonna give these kids contracts, we're gonna make

1071
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 6: them a complete human being. We'll not just you know,

1072
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 6: but one thing that I always I kind of this,

1073
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 6: we said, well, you know we at he says you

1074
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 6: got to treat them just like any other student student, right,

1075
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 6: So does that mean like well, any other student could

1076
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 6: TRANSFERMIT semester, Jay, and he could go and play in

1077
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 6: the chess team. Any other student could TRANSFERMIT semester and

1078
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 6: he can go play in the murals. Any other student could. Like,

1079
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 6: there's got to be certain things that you say.

1080
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 9: You know what, yeast taking something to an extreme because

1081
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 9: you could say the same thing, like an assistant coach

1082
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 9: can switch jobs at halftime and take the game.

1083
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 4: Plan he made for u c l A and apply

1084
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 4: it to the game plan at Virginia Tech. Like that's

1085
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 4: that never happens, and we can have there's a difference.

1086
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 7: That would happen, Jay, don't. You don't.

1087
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 4: There's different restrictions that are that are competitive and blanket

1088
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 4: restrictions that are not. And and you know, like the

1089
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 4: blanket restriction we had on athlete compensation was illegal. It

1090
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 4: violated federal and a trust law. Nobody, no reasonable person

1091
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 4: is out there arguing saying a player should be able

1092
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 4: to transferred halftime and play for the other team. Nobody's

1093
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 4: arguing that. And we've always had players that have been

1094
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 4: eligible at a semester. We've always had that. That's why

1095
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 4: Puff Johnson is able to do this. There were injury

1096
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 4: things that he had that that the judge bid on

1097
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 4: and all I get it on and like, we're not

1098
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 4: talking about this flood of thirty year olds that are

1099
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 4: coming back to college. But I think it is is

1100
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 4: almost making a seam, like I'll go get Magic Johnson. Okay,

1101
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 4: if you want a sixty four year old guy to.

1102
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 2: Complaint, go ahead, But also think, Jay, we're at it

1103
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: not to cut you off free. I think we're at

1104
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: the beginning of what could possibly happen. I think we're

1105
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 2: at the very beginning right now. Again, it's the top

1106
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: of conversation and obviously we're kind of foreshadowing what could

1107
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 2: possibly become. I think both you guys make great arguments

1108
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: for both sides. There's things you guys agree on, there's

1109
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 2: things you guys disagree on. And I think to put

1110
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: a bow on this, does the NCUBA sit back and

1111
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 2: continue just to make money hand over fist or does

1112
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 2: the noise get loud enough to your point seth put

1113
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: come some kind of restrictions and regulations and Jay, you

1114
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 2: you Lai laidall legally white can't. But where do we

1115
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 2: go from here? Is this what college sports is from

1116
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 2: here on out? For the major football and basketball for

1117
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 2: the short run.

1118
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 4: It is for the short run, because this is what

1119
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 4: the nc double A wants. They want, you know, they

1120
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 4: want everything, They want the money to keep rolling in.

1121
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 4: And I don't want to make them sound craven, but

1122
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 4: there's an aspect that is craven. They everything's going great

1123
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 4: on the field, on the and at the bank, everything's

1124
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 4: going great. I mean, we're arguing about now twelve. We

1125
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 4: got a football playoff that eight years ago they said

1126
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 4: could never happen. It's impossible, it's never going to happen.

1127
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 4: Then we went to four. Now we're and then twelve,

1128
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 4: and then we're going to go to twelve, then go

1129
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 4: to sixteen. That's what they're arguing about about how do

1130
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 4: we make the pie bigger. But what the NCAA really

1131
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 4: wants is for they want the appearance of chaos. I

1132
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 4: don't know this to be fact, but this is what

1133
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 4: I believe based upon my discussions. I think they want

1134
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 4: their to appear to be chaotic and the wild wild

1135
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 4: West and all that stuff, when this is the wild

1136
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 4: wild West that the rest of us live in, so

1137
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 4: that Congress will come in and give them a federal

1138
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 4: law for them to be able to protect what they've

1139
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 4: always wanted to do. I don't think that's a great strategy,

1140
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 4: but that's what they want, and so they're not going

1141
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 4: to do anything of substance that that's going to derail

1142
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 4: that opportunity because they don't want to. They don't want

1143
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 4: to put another rule in and then go to court

1144
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 4: over it and all that stuff, because everything they do, frankly,

1145
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 4: they you know, you can, everything gets the ass kicked

1146
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 4: because it's been illegal. Coaches just won another judgment against

1147
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 4: them for trying to restrict their pay. I mean, it

1148
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 4: happens all the time.

1149
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: And closing your thoughts, do we lose them?

1150
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: Let's try to get him back real quick.

1151
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 4: He'd had enough of me. His phone gave out.

1152
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,439
Speaker 7: There we go down, Here we go. I'm just tired

1153
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 7: to hear.

1154
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 4: Exactly what I said.

1155
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 6: This is every single Friday before game day. This is

1156
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 6: the conversation. We absolutely kill each other. And God, enough

1157
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 6: of his pression. It's beautiful, it's a beautiful conversation.

1158
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 7: What you say.

1159
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 6: I agree, But I think the solution in the end

1160
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 6: is going to be I think the Sankees and and

1161
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 6: the Yourmax and these commissioners that are the most powerful,

1162
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 6: more powerful than the presidents, because they have the voice

1163
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 6: of the collective institutions, the leagues. I think if this

1164
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 6: thing isn't solved soon, you're going to see some sort

1165
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 6: of potential separation because they don't have they're not on

1166
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 6: the same Like the NCAA is trying to legislate for

1167
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 6: three divisions and eight thousand teams and those fifty or

1168
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 6: sixty or one hundred whatever. They're saying, bullshit, we don't

1169
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 6: have anything in common all three four three. Shit, we're

1170
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 6: we're the one percenters. We don't have think common those people.

1171
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 6: Let's let's create a business model that fits us and

1172
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 6: and collectively bargain our television contracts with a power of

1173
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 6: strength behind it. Now, I don't know that that's just

1174
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 6: me thinking I'll be long gone and Phil shall say, yeah, graver,

1175
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 6: he was drooling all over himself the last time we

1176
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 6: had dinner. But I think that's that part of this solution.

1177
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 6: I think that's that's gonna eventually happen. I don't know

1178
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 6: that's what you guys think.

1179
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: We'll see.

1180
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 2: We're looking forward to seeing moving forward what happens fellas

1181
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: Before we get out of here. I definitely want to

1182
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 2: touch on this twenty twenty six draft class one of

1183
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 2: the best, best better classes we've seen in recent memory.

1184
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 2: And I want to start with Darren Peterson. A lot

1185
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 2: of people are saying he's He's the next coming of

1186
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 2: Rest in Peace, my brother Kobe. His ability to score,

1187
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 2: read the floor, his tenacity, the way he plays. I

1188
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 2: got to see a lot of these kids play live

1189
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: on the AU circuit. Let's start with Darren Peterson. Thoughts

1190
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 2: on him, who he reminds you of, and what kind

1191
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 2: of player you guys feel like NBA teams will be

1192
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 2: getting with him.

1193
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 4: He's got a smoothness to his game that is extraordinary.

1194
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 4: He can score from anywhere. He's just got an unbelievable

1195
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 4: feel and skill level. He's got size, and athleticism and

1196
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 4: you name it. He hasn't played a full season because

1197
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 4: of this sort of hamstring slash cramping issue he's been

1198
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 4: dealing with. But when he's played, I mean the other

1199
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 4: night he had twenty six points and twenty three minute

1200
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 4: I mean, it's absurd. He was in like nine of

1201
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 4: eleven against Baylor. I think it was you know, he's

1202
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 4: the real deal. Now. I've never been good at the

1203
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 4: comparison thing because I tend to go with how a

1204
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 4: player looks, whether he looks like another guy versus exactly

1205
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 4: how he plays. I hesitate on the Kobe thing a

1206
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 4: little bit, But scoring wise, there aren't many that come

1207
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 4: along that score it is. I mean, the last guy

1208
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 4: could say that, I feel like scored it as easily

1209
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 4: as Peterson was Kevin Durant. And they're vastly different players.

1210
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 4: But you know, when Durant came out, you knew, okay,

1211
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 4: he's going to lead the league in scoring at some point,

1212
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 4: and you feel kind of like that about Peterson that

1213
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 4: he's got. He's got, you know, lead the league in

1214
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 4: scoring written on him.

1215
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 6: To me, Donovan Mitchell, the way he is now the

1216
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 6: shot maker he was now, he wasn't that shot maker

1217
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 6: in college. He's improved his ability to make shots. He

1218
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 6: can get to anywhere on the floor anytime he wants it.

1219
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 6: He's got an incredible basketball feel like in terms of

1220
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 6: being efficient with his dribble, he doesn't waste his dribble,

1221
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 6: he gets the spots, he shoots it effortlessly on the catch.

1222
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 7: He has really good vision. This is an incredible class.

1223
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I think he's he's the one

1224
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 6: guy absolutely plug and play, and he's going to get

1225
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 6: twenty two to twenty five a game in the NBA.

1226
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 7: I just think that.

1227
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,919
Speaker 6: I think his offensive package, his shot making, his three

1228
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 6: level scoring, his feel. If he's healthy, he's gonna he's

1229
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 6: coming in and and and now he's starting to defend it.

1230
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 6: Early on with his cramps, I didn't think he was

1231
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 6: and he didn't get a chance to practice. He wasn't

1232
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 6: as engaged as the defender. He has a chance with

1233
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 6: his left to be a good defender. Donovan Mitchell's who knows.

1234
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 6: I mean, Mitchell's my cop. More of how he's playing now,

1235
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 6: because in college, you know he wasn't a shot maker.

1236
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 7: He is now.

1237
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 2: Aj Debant, says someone I got to see up close

1238
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 2: personal on the AU circuit. And one thing that impressed

1239
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 2: me the most. His numbers don't impress me what he's

1240
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 2: doing in college. His motor he played with on both ends,

1241
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 2: his competitiveness not only for the offensive end and his

1242
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 2: ability to get to a spot, but he was picking

1243
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 2: up and slapping the floor that old duke shit, did

1244
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 2: you guys like to do?

1245
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: Jay?

1246
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 2: And really moving his feet and talking shit and blocking shots.

1247
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 2: I love his energy, obviously, that's carried on to over

1248
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 2: at b yu six', nine very. Versatile i'll start with

1249
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 2: you said your thoughts ON. Debansa, Yeah tray.

1250
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 6: McGrady is the one that kind of resonates with. Me

1251
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 6: you see that stride and his ability to get in

1252
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 6: a lane and elevate all these young. Players the thing

1253
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 6: that's impressed me most is the BASKETBALL iq in your.

1254
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 6: Passing they're all whether It's, boozer whether it's The, batsa

1255
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 6: whether It's, peterson whether It's, wilson they all they're.

1256
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 7: Passing is something.

1257
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 6: Else his physical stature and his strength that he plays

1258
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 6: with when he goes to the, rim his, passing he's

1259
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 6: he could be an incredible. Defender the more space he's

1260
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 6: going to have in THE nba as opposed to you,

1261
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 6: know when he's playing in a crowd in, college is

1262
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 6: two different. Worlds there's the number of transition opportunities he's

1263
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 6: going to. Have So i'd, Say traysy, McGrady And i'd

1264
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 6: say that crazy that he settles in the first half

1265
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 6: and then he just takes over the second, half which

1266
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 6: is you, know Coach young, says because he's such an unselfish.

1267
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 7: Kid but IF i was, coaching said, dude you can

1268
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 7: take over whatever you, want you, know go make some. Plays.

1269
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 7: Uh he's.

1270
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 4: Special, YEAH i THINK i think there's a great argument

1271
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 4: For devansa being the number one, pick even Though peterson

1272
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 4: is IS i think more fluid. Scorer devance is, bigger, longer,

1273
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 4: uh and can play in isolation and kind of back

1274
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 4: you down shoot. Over his mid range game is. Spectacular you,

1275
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 4: know you can fade away and MAKE nba caliber shots right. Now.

1276
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 4: Uh and he's really doing a better job of attacking the.

1277
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 4: Basket he's offensive rebounding. Better and while we were, bemoaning you,

1278
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 4: know sort of THE aau culture and grassroots, basketball all

1279
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 4: the guys THAT i think we're going to be talking about,

1280
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 4: here from my understanding and being watching them play and

1281
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 4: being around, them they're all ultra. Competitive they're all good,

1282
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 4: teammates they all work really, hard and they're all about

1283
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 4: the right things in the. Game you, know Cam boo's

1284
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 4: theer same, Way so you, know a lot a lot

1285
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 4: is being done right in addition to the things that

1286
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 4: us old old guys don't.

1287
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 7: Like he was all have gold badals WITH usa basketball. Too.

1288
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 2: Yeah SOMEONE i saw and obviously didn't get was just

1289
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 2: as good in high school WHEN i saw these guys,

1290
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 2: play and, now no, surprise what he's doing it At

1291
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 2: North Carolina Caleb, wilson someone getting twenty and. ELEVEN i

1292
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 2: think he's probably. GROWN i think he's like six', ten, now,

1293
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 2: long mobile his ability to get to the spots and

1294
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 2: do what he does on. The floor what are your guys'

1295
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 2: thoughts on?

1296
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: His?

1297
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 4: GAME explosive i mean, he's explosive explosive off, the floor

1298
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 4: like he's he's, you know he's pencil thin, right now but,

1299
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 4: he's strong and he's got a terrific. Turnaround jumper he

1300
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 4: can elevate to do just about whatever. He wants he

1301
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 4: plays really hard at, both ENDS and i think he's

1302
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 4: a really, good passer kind of an. Underrated passer i'd

1303
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 4: probably put him top four. Among prospects Uh and, and

1304
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 4: honestly it surprised me a. Little BIT like i saw

1305
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 4: him in high school and thought, he was, you know a,

1306
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 4: great athlete but he's been BETTER than. I THOUGHT and

1307
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 4: i watched him practice one Day At north Carolina and

1308
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 4: carolina didn't have a, great PRACTICE and i was sitting

1309
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 4: WITH an nba scout and we're kind of looking at. Each, Other,

1310
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 4: going god he's not, doing anything and then he turns

1311
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 4: around a couple days later and plays in. A game, WE'RE, Like,

1312
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 4: whoa okay so practice isn't always the most. Important thing

1313
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 4: but He's the he's the. Real deal and that's why

1314
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 4: this class that goes. So deep like in, other years

1315
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 4: the guys we've talked about would be number one number.

1316
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 10: World, picks yeah he's a little bit of coordinating him

1317
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 10: And that wirey's six nine six had a little bit

1318
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 10: of just his Motor of, antonio mcdice like he just,

1319
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 10: Flies around like the energy that he plays with is.

1320
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 6: Just incredible and another guy that's willing to make, a pass,

1321
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 6: you KNOW and i think he's just scratching. The surface,

1322
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 6: you know he's, you know, He's learning like when he catches,

1323
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 6: the ball like off, the lane facing up more and

1324
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 6: now just, you know moving the defender rather than trying.

1325
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 7: To bang he's relentless on. The glass he's a relentless.

1326
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 4: Rin.

1327
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 6: Runner uh, you know he has the ability to watch.

1328
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 6: These videotapes he's really working on catching and getting behind

1329
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 6: the ball and shooting it well and being. Shot ready but,

1330
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 6: to me it's like that guy doesn't take a playoff

1331
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 6: like he just his motor is, constantly running which, is

1332
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 6: like he's fun, To watch like you. Get Fixated usually

1333
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 6: i'm kind of watching Scheme when i'm, you know. WATCHING

1334
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:44,440
Speaker 6: tape i find Myself when I'm watching carolina. Getting fixated

1335
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 6: i'm watching like, his ENERGY which i think is.

1336
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 2: Pretty, special yeah he plays with a chip on, the shoulder.

1337
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 2: KEYS receipts i like the energy he. Plays, with last but,

1338
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 2: not least come from. The pedigree my ACTUALLY former, Aau

1339
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 2: teammate carlos got Shipped from alaska with he didn't have,

1340
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 2: no haircut. No hairline he just came out here with these,

1341
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 2: big old big. Gass hands and, AT fourteen i was,

1342
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 2: just like where do we find this Ship from.

1343
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 4: Cambus taking a mercenary from a last right imagine everything

1344
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 4: that was wrong.

1345
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 2: With basketball we snuck him all the way Out, To,

1346
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 2: fresno california and we made some. Things happen camboozer someone

1347
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 2: who just, steady solid, twenty three ten, and four one

1348
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 2: of the most winning basketball players up to THIS point

1349
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 2: au high school we've seen obviously Going where pops went

1350
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 2: and and and hasn't missed. A beat, big, solid uh

1351
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 2: not flashy but his very skilled thoughts on on cam.

1352
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 6: SETH winning, i, mean yeah he he just understands how.

1353
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 7: To play he's not a. Good pass you're forard to double.

1354
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 6: At him he's going to make the right play you,

1355
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 6: give him get him in, The elbow he's going to

1356
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 6: back you down and get to his left shoulder and

1357
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 6: shoot a. Jump up he's gonna, you know he's gonna

1358
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 6: step out and pick him pop and make, a three

1359
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 6: or maybe he'll make a highlow pass to, you know

1360
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 6: to one of.

1361
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 7: His teammates.

1362
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 6: And every time the ball, gets shot it seems likes

1363
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 6: to pass off. THE backboard, i mean he just pursues

1364
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 6: every every. EVERY misshot, I mean i just he's fun

1365
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 6: to watch and like when the game is on, the

1366
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 6: line he's, just fiercely.

1367
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 7: Fiercely competitive but the only thing.

1368
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 6: Better than watching him Is watching carlos, watching HIM because

1369
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 6: i mean the first game of the season that WAS

1370
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 6: on tv and he And and can he struggled and

1371
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 6: struggled is a.

1372
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 7: Little bit they showed a picture.

1373
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 6: LOOSE and i don't know if you go, Through this

1374
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 6: matt and and and he, was like he LOOKED like

1375
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 6: i think you.

1376
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 7: Would do he looked a MESS and. I texted i,

1377
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 7: TEXTED him, i, said look, just, Breathe dude he's gonna be.

1378
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 7: Just fine, he goes this. Is whole but it must

1379
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 7: be cool like to have your your kids and playing

1380
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 7: and seeing it at.

1381
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 6: That level but he's just so fun to watch And

1382
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 6: that john's done a great job of how he moves.

1383
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: HIM around, i say there's nothing, Like It.

1384
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 4: JAY cam i think it'll. Be INTERESTING like i agree

1385
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 4: with everything Said, About cam like he's just his lower

1386
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 4: base is so strong and he can he can bowl

1387
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 4: through and go right into your chest and. Create space

1388
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 4: HE'S not i would not call him sort of a

1389
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 4: spectacular above the. Rim athlete, you know he's not Like

1390
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 4: A chris weber type that's going to go up and

1391
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 4: dunk in, a crowd dunk over in. A crowd but

1392
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 4: when you make him play in, a crowd he makes the,

1393
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 4: right decision, you know almost. Every time and his PASSING

1394
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,600
Speaker 4: is i think. Really underrated, you know he draws a

1395
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 4: double team and he finds, open people so that that that.

1396
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 4: WINNING mentality i think there really is something, to that

1397
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 4: and it doesn't seem he doesn't seem to get phased.

1398
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 4: By anything he can have a rough first half and

1399
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 4: then he COMES out i guess twenty and the. Second

1400
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:12,719
Speaker 4: half so his. His productivity, you know people talk about potential,

1401
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 4: over production but he produces. Every GAME and I Mean

1402
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 4: john shires DONE like i think he's done a great.

1403
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 4: Job period but man to Have Like cooper Flag And

1404
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 4: cam boozer back. TO back i. HOPE that i hope

1405
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 4: his next class is good because people are going to

1406
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 4: be looking at him going? What happened like you don't

1407
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 4: Have a national Of the year as a freshman, this

1408
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 4: year you know they're gonna they're gonna think you did.

1409
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 2: Something, wrong, well guys this obviously can be, you know

1410
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 2: the top four picks in this, Upcoming draft who do

1411
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 2: you guys have going?

1412
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 4: Number one it depends on who. Gets it i'm kind

1413
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 4: of coin flip right Now between peterson And. De bonsa

1414
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,520
Speaker 4: i'm leaning a little Bit, toward debonsa but that's Probably

1415
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 4: because peterson hasn't played a full Slate and i'm subject to,

1416
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 4: You know i'm subject to getting pulled in that direction a.

1417
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 4: Little bit But de bonsa because of his size uh

1418
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 4: and and his UH and i think he's going to

1419
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 4: continue to get better as a, perimeter SHOOTER like I

1420
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 4: think peterson's ahead of him. In that but there's something About.

1421
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 4: DE bonsa, I really i really like.

1422
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 7: The league that you. Played in got to.

1423
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 6: MAKE buckets i mean like it's a shot. MAKERS league

1424
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 6: i mean it played. IT simple, i mean like to

1425
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 6: be the very best of the, very best dude's got to.

1426
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 6: Make shots it's very rare to. The guy high, energy guys,

1427
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 6: great defender, that's great but like to be, like special

1428
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 6: you got to. Make shots and that guy comes in

1429
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 6: and just steps in and, makes shots so that, you know,

1430
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 6: for me uh that that's THE reason i.

1431
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 7: WOULD go i would Go. WITH peterson i.

1432
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 6: Mean every time he, shoots it when, he misses you

1433
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 6: think it's, a mistake kind of like you back in.

1434
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: The day.

1435
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 2: Not, Me, Well, fellas again thank you guys for. Your

1436
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 2: time THIS was i love the best and FORTH and

1437
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 2: i really think we got some good stuff out. Of

1438
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 2: here but wish you guys the best moving forward and

1439
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 2: hopefully have you guys back again later in.

1440
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: The year, be.

1441
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 7: Awesome Man, thanks matt, appreciate it love what.

1442
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 4: You're doing thanks for having. Us man i'm a first,

1443
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 4: time caller, longtime listener. Big fan appreciate.

1444
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 1: Appreciate you, all, right guys have a.

1445
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 8: Good one, all, right man we got another round of

1446
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 8: real or sentil. First One kevin durant is reportedly frustrated

1447
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 8: with the overall quality Of the rockets roster and does

1448
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 8: Not view houston as.

1449
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 2: LONG term i think this. Is centail it's intel for.

1450
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 2: One today katie's a. LITTLE older i don't even think

1451
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 2: he talks like, that anymore. Or period but he's not

1452
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 2: talking about. Long term he ain't got long, term Left.

1453
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 8: So luka doncic has reportedly Been Calling dennis schroeder a

1454
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 8: bitch Since, the Olympics and dennis finally got fed up

1455
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 8: and attempted to swing.

1456
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 2: On him Did he did he make? Contact though can?

1457
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 2: Anyone verify let me someone let me know if he.

1458
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 2: MADE contact i. BELIEVE it i think this. IS real

1459
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 2: I think luca a. Slick mouth. Real report and as

1460
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 2: much as we talked about shrewder with his hairline a

1461
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 2: couple of, years ago he's on site with whoever has

1462
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 2: been fucking, with HIM so i heard. About that it's a.

1463
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:13,719
Speaker 2: REAL report i just won't know if he made contact

1464
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 2: because he, got well he got suspending, three, Games right

1465
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 2: i've waited for someone after the game until they made

1466
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 2: me LEAVE and i didn't. Get suspended so he had

1467
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 2: to MAKE condor i. Made it he had to be,

1468
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 2: swung on dude to make contact to get, Three, games.

1469
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 4: Well hit up one of your, former teammates so let's get.

1470
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 2: THE real i want, to say all my motherfucking former teammates,

1471
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 2: are Retired so i'm.

1472
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 4: Old that's the head coach of.

1473
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 2: THE team. I, GOT yeah i don't like TO call jj.

1474
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 2: WITH bullshit i already know bron is stressing him. Out

1475
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 2: enough i'm not GONNA call jj with. No bullshit go

1476
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 2: to the.

1477
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 4: Next one you're two.

1478
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 8: For Two two giannis walked Into the bucks locker room

1479
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 8: when they Played, the lakers wearing Assigned to. Lebron jersey

1480
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,600
Speaker 8: the nasaist also Received A bronnie. James jersey.

1481
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: This has gotta. Be, sentel oh this.

1482
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 4: Is real this is a.

1483
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 2: Real report why did THEY say i don't give a

1484
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 2: Fuck about Lebron's just why Isn't the Nasais the? Bronni jersey?

1485
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 2: That's crazy when was that? This, year yeah that was

1486
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 2: like three. Games ago bron is? Recruiting him is he

1487
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 2: trying To get? Luca traded what's going.

1488
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 1: On here i'm.

1489
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 8: Not, SURE no i.

1490
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 4: Just think people are seeing bron be like not too many.

1491
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 2: Jerseys left oh on, That side i'll. FORGIVE me i

1492
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 2: didn't think on that side a. Good point but That

1493
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 2: the Natas and bronni did.

1494
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 8: Is Crazy chat holmgren After defeating Victor win beyama quote

1495
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 8: who probably want to spend more some time in the.

1496
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 2: Weight room oh chess got a little nigga in. Him

1497
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 2: too he might have, said THAT but i don't know

1498
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 2: if he wants to say that to to to the seven.

1499
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 1: Foot month This. Is centil, but hey This. Is CENTAIL

1500
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:51,640
Speaker 1: but i hope. It's Real. IT'S centil I could i

1501
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: couldn't lose. Right, THERE yeah i.

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